Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 167: Does "Teen Wolf" The Movie Suck? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 167

Episode Date: October 29, 2018

Does Teen Wolf stand the test of time? R&L watched Michael J. Fox's 80's hit to see if it can withstand to the scrutiny of a modern-day movie viewer. Sponsored By:Quip: Visit GetQuip.com/EAR to receive your first refill FREEBark Box: Visit Barkbox.com/EAR to receive a FREE box when you subscribe to a 6 or 12 month planRobin Hood: Visit EarBiscuits.robinhood.com for a FREE stock when you sign up To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is Mythical. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I'm Rhett. And I'm Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we're gonna get a little spooky, we're gonna get a little hairy, we're gonna go through puberty. Wow.

We're gonna relive puberty a little bit, perhaps via the question, through puberty. We're gonna relive puberty a little bit perhaps via the question does Teen Wolf the movie suck? Now how this came about, just to give you a little brief background is as you know, Link has not seen lots of movies from the 80s. You had to take a breath there because it was like, it's such a big thing.

It happens whenever we're in a group of people and people start talking about movies that everyone our age has seen. Like name a ubiquitous movie from the 80s. E.T. I've seen that one. Yeah. Ha! But you've seen it in when?

I think I saw that one as a kid. Or you know what, I might have been too creeped out. Back to the Future. I did not see it when it came out. Right, and when did you see it? A couple of years ago. Right, so they're just. Top Gun. Goonies.

I've never seen Top Gun. I saw Goonies a couple of years ago. Right. Well you started seeing these movies a couple years ago. Dirty Dancing I never saw because that's a girl movie. But you started seeing these movies because you've got kids but also because we're in these conversations and people don't believe it.

Name another one. I just wanna prove the point. Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters, I did not see it. But as a kid, I didn't see it when it came out. Jaws, I've never seen Jaws. Okay, there we go. See, this. I've seen the poster. I know what never seen Jaws. Okay, there we go. See, this.

I've seen the poster. I know what happens in Jaws. It's not about knowing what happens, it's about experiencing a cultural phenomenon. And a shark, a boat. I know, I've been on the Universal ride. It's all, I understand. I get it.

And because it's not like, there's not anything particular about Link's childhood. Like he wasn't, you know, there's not some crazy story about Link being in a cave through all of the 80s. I was busy, man. I wish there was. But I mean, I was your. I was like a kid businessman.

But I didn't know any of this was happening. I was your friend the whole time. I mean from 80s. I was like Ben Stiller in the Royal Tenenbaums as a kid. Which I did see that movie, but of course not as a kid. And so because of this phenomenon of him not seeing classic movies from the 80s, we thought that something we could do on the show

is talk about a movie, or have him watch a classic movie that he never saw and then talk about it. And why not start with Teen Wolf because it was a 1985 special, one year after we had been friends and I watched it at the time and then I watched it again recently so we could have a more informed conversation

and then you watched it not too long ago as well. So we're gonna have a discussion about Teen Wolf. If you want to pause the podcast right now and go watch the movie, if you've never seen it, we encourage you to do that, but we think that you can benefit from this conversation even if you don't know anything about the movie, even if all you thought it was was the television show.

We're not talking about the television show, we're just talking about the movie that started it all. Though we did spend some quality time with MTV Teen Wolf himself, Tyler Posey. We did. At a fundraiser event called Stand Up To Cancer. Super nice guy. Month or so back, he hosted the livestream

which we were featured in. Thanks to all of you who donated. Our very own Miss Perfect, Jill Wagner was a. I wouldn't call her our very own. Was a series regular on Teen Wolf. But Tyler, so we are talking about the MTV show right now. But that's all we're gonna talk about. Tyler was a cool guy.

He was very nice. There was like some outdoor food truck party and we hung out with him for a good half hour just having some quality time. He may come on the show, because we hit it off, so we invited him on Good Mythical Morning. That may happen. Yes, hopefully it will.

I like him, he was not, he didn't seem too wolfish to me, but I've never seen the show, but I could imagine that he could turn into a wolf, a la Michael J. Fox. So yeah, I've seen the movie, the 1985 movie, and I've got some thoughts, I've got some observations, and I'll verbally process the rest to see if we can arrive at, does it suck? I mean, and I'm gonna say by today's standards,

I mean, is it worth watching? So if you haven't watched it, we'll help you come to a conclusion of if and when you should. But before that, Halloween is right around the corner. By the way, as of the time of recording this, I don't know what my kids are gonna be. Well, and my family has quite a tradition.

Oh, you guys are big in that. Of dressing up. Now we haven't done it, there was a series of years before Locke got too old to be too cool to be a part of a family costume where we did some incredible things. Things I probably posted to my incredible Instagram, RhettMC, shout out to RhettMC,

it's a really relatively active Instagram compared to Link's. But I can't argue with that. So the highlights are we did Lord of the Rings back in it's like last year of true cultural relevance. Like The Hobbit was still happening and. Your entire family, the four of you. Yeah so Shepard was Gollum, Jesse was.

He was a baby at the time so so he didn't have much hair. I'm not gonna say he looked like Gollum, but. No, no. He wasn't a baby. I can't remember how old he was. He was out here, he wasn't a baby. Oh, he was out here. But he had, she put like a rubber bald cap on him.

Jesse was. Okay, I'm sorry for insinuating that as a baby he did look like Gollum but. Liv Tyler played what's his name? Maybe like right when he was born he did. What's her name? Liv Tyler played Ariel? I can't remember, I'm drawing a blank.

That's the Little Mermaid. I was Gandalf and Locke was Bilbo Baggins. Oh yeah, he wasn't Frodo, he was Bilbo. He had curly hair. Maybe he was Frodo, he was Bilbo. He had curly hair. Maybe he was Frodo, I can't remember if it was. Anyway, we did that and then we did Guardians of the Galaxy because I had that incredible Groot costume. Yeah that we did.

That we did for the show. When I was Rocket. And so Jessie was Gamora with the green makeup. Locke was the Star Lord and then Shepard was Arwen, Arwen, that's who she played. make up, Locke was the Star Lord, and then Shepard was, Arwen, Arwen, that's who she played. And then Shepard was Bradley Cooper's character, Rocket? What is he? Yeah, which I also was Rocket on the show.

Yeah, but anyway, but then your kids get to a certain point where you can't do this incredible thing, so there was one year where Locke was just a weird scream character and then Jessie and I were, I was Robin, she was Batman, and then Shepard was the Joker. But then I distinctly have a memory of dressing up like a werewolf but it was simply a mask.

It was just a rubber mask. As a young kid. Smell your own breath. I would do just the mask with the rubber band and then the plastic suit that you would get at Roses or Sky City, Walmart didn't exist. And there would just be just reams of these things and now you've got, it's amazing how these Halloween town stores, in LA this happened,

but I guess it happens everywhere. It's like these huge empty lots of where there used to be like a Toys R Us or something will just get overrun for a month with Halloween costumes. There's so much business in it, it's crazy. Well and then you've got Halloween Town which Halloween Town, Halloween. Is open year round.

I don't get it man. It's always Halloween in my heart. I've never been too big, I mean as an adult, Christy and I, you know, we're just, we just, we don't. Too much trouble. We don't like to have fun in that way. It's too much trouble.

Yeah. You know, it's like trying to get your costume together and everything and then you're. Well and let me say that I wouldn't do it if my wife was not the kind of person who talked me into it. Going to, the thing is you would then go trick or treating with your kids and it's kind of a let down

but if it were like a cool party where, like a masquerade party or something where then there's like a. What do you know about masquerade parties? Or like a costume. Have you been to a masquerade party and you didn't tell me? No I'm just imagining.

That's like an eyes wide shut kind of situation. I don't know. You gotta share that kind of stuff with me. Is that an 80s movie? Were you completely naked and six up for a mask? I haven't seen that one. Was someone sacrificed? I don't know what you're talking about.

Kubrick, man. Top Gun 2. It's not an 80s movie, but I did hear that Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise actually made love for the scene. For the scene. Yeah. I can neither confirm nor deny it. No, no, they were married at the scene. For the scene. Yeah. I can neither confirm nor deny it.

No, no, they were married at the time. They were like, well, why are we gonna act like we're making love when we can just make love? Is that a question for me? Anyway, I would think about going through the trouble to have like a couples costume type thing if we were going to a Halloween party for adults that was like cool and fun

and maybe you could win a prize. Prizes, yeah, prizes. But we always just go with our kids and kids are starting to get old enough that they can go trick or treating without us. Even in LA County, I think. I'm gonna be, my wife's gonna be out of the country and I'm gonna be just taking care of my own kids

and so I've gotta do the thing that she normally does which is make sure that their costume fits and they have one. They probably, we probably would just skip Halloween. There's always a lot of last minute scramble for you guys, like. Yeah, I would say switch clothes, boys. You go as Shepherd and you go as Locke.

Well I asked Lincoln, I do remember Lincoln said, I'm gonna be, and I think, I may get the name wrong, he said, I'm gonna be Jacob Sartorius. And I'm like, who is that? And he said, it's a kid on Musical.ly that I can make my hair look like. Yeah, he's like, he lives in the, up in the hills. There's a, no.

What do you know about this kid? Like Locke knows kids that go to school with him. So I knew about him because he's like a, he's an influencer. But then he's like oh yeah he goes to so and so school. That's where, how do you say his last name? Sagittarius? Sartorius.

Jacob Sagittarius, yeah. So I'm like Lincoln, you're just gonna kinda look like yourself. I mean, that's an easy way to get came to. The only rule of Halloween costumes is they should not require a verbal explanation. Just take it from me. And I would caveat that with,

in the majority of interactions, like in 51% of the interactions, you shouldn't have to explain yourself. 51? I mean I'm trying to be. That's a lot of explaining. I'm trying to be, well 49 explaining. Okay.

49% explaining. I think the only acceptable. I'm just making a point that a lot of people don't understand pop culture stuff and they still gonna give out candy. Well the only acceptable. I'm just making a point that a lot of people don't understand pop culture stuff and they still gonna give out candy. Well the only acceptable explanation in my book is if you have to say, well you wait until the other guy gets here and you'll understand what I am.

You know what I'm saying? Like when you've done, like there was one year in which I was Albert Einstein and Jessie was EMC squared, the thought bubble and she had a wand that she would touch to my head as if it was a thought bubble coming out of my head. So I kinda look like Einstein, but she just looked like E equals MC squared with a wand. And so she was.

But together you were. We were Einstein's theory of relativity. And it was pretty epic. Did you win a prize? No, just, you know, just felt great about ourselves. With Instagram, that may be reason enough to start working on it. Is Instagram giving out prizes now?

No, I think that a lot of celebrities are breaking out there, they do it all just for the photo. What do you think about that concept though? Instagram giving out prizes like picture of the day and people win like a thousand bucks. That's a good idea, that's what I need to get back on. Why is that not, prizes, we need more prizes. Especially on Halloween, Instagram should award somebody

the best costume and again they'll be like, well how do we know that you're the one who uploaded it? Doesn't matter, whoever gets, whosever account has the thing on it first and it's obviously a picture they meant to take, they win a thousand dollars, divvy it up however you want to. Just give people money, they got plenty of it. Instagram's got plenty of money?

Yeah. Facebook money. Facebook money, they're backed up by Facebook. All right, well, let's get into Teen Wolf, man, because I watched it and that doesn't happen a lot. Okay, we will. So I wanna talk about it. But first we wanna let you know that this episode

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Check it out. Now on with the biscuit. Okay, first of all, spoiler alert. I mean, I know the movie's from 1985, but if you haven't seen it, we are going to spoil things right from the top here. I'm about to spoil it, we are going to spoil things right from the top here. I'm about to spoil it, so go ahead and go watch it if you want to.

Here goes. Michael J. Fox turns into a wolf, y'all. I mean, I hate to break it to you. I mean, that is on the poster. And he's teen-aged. He's supposedly 17 years old. I don't know how old Michael J. Fox was when he actually did that.

I think he was 23 at the time. In fact, none of the people playing teenagers in Teen Wolf were teens, which is not a surprise. That's typically how this stuff is done in Hollywood because you can't trust teen actors. You know, you give them direction and then they're shifty. A lot of regulation. Yeah, a lot of regulation. Yeah, yeah, they gotta be tutored. You know, you give them direction and then they're shifty. They're shifty. Yeah, and a lot of regulation.

Yeah, yeah, they gotta be tutored. I didn't watch Teen Wolf as a kid. I did. What do you remember about seeing it then? Because I can certainly tell you what I remember watching it a few weeks ago. Well, so I had the opportunity to watch it. I don't think I watched it in the theater,

but I watched it in the 80s. Okay, yeah. Probably VCR, maybe in the theater, I don't know. So I saw it in the 80s. And then I recently watched it again with my kids. And the reason that I watched it is because I was like, I remember loving this movie, right? I remember thinking it was so cool.

Now, you also have to keep in mind that in a given year. You were less than 10 years old. In the 80s. When you saw it, certainly. How many movies was I seeing, right? I mean, I was probably going to three or four movies in the movie theater a year, and then my dad maybe literally renting the VCR

from Coates Family Video and then renting the movies. He rented the machine and the movies all together and brought it home and we would do that once a month. So doing that math really quickly, I probably saw 15 movies on the high end in a year. But once you got a VCR, boy, you were trucking. All that to say that you really remember. I wasn't, but you were.

You remember the stuff that you saw. And there's something so iconic about, I mean it's got a great name, it's got a, not only does he turn into a wolf, but he plays basketball, and when he's a wolf playing basketball, let me tell you right now, wolves are great at basketball. Turns out.

Say what you will about the wolf pack of NC State University, but in this movie. We as our alma mater will only say positive things. That's right, they are absolutely incredible. So he can, well, specifically he can effortlessly dunk. Effortlessly dunk, man. I cannot effortlessly say the word effortlessly, but he can effortlessly dunk.

So all the things that would make a 10 year old dribble through his legs think a movie is great, it had. So I wasn't thinking about any of the cheesiness. Risqué moments with a blonde chick. Yeah, can't get enough of those. But let me just say you're strategically cropped shots of toplessness, I will say. Oh say it man. So you don't, it's cropped shots of toplessness, I will say. Oh, say it, man.

So you don't, it's cropped tastefully. But when watching this movie with my children, I heard things such as, this movie starts in a weird place. That was the first comment that I heard. They were like, they felt like we had started watching a movie at the wrong place in the plot. We'll get into that in a little bit. The music is horrible.

Yeah. The acting is horrible. The makeup is horrible. The basketball scenes are horrible. And what's a dick nose, Dad? Yeah, I was like, you would rewatch it with your kids and in spite of everything you just listed off, you were encouraging me to watch it with my kids

and I guess it was for this moment, even though you didn't tell me. Because you didn't. Do your kids know what a dick nose is? You didn't tell me. Okay, well, first of all, clarify why you're bringing up dick nose. Did they figure it out?

Well, because. You're talking about Stiles. Stiles, his best friend in the movie who is just your absolute classic 80s friend. This particular character. Super cool guy. Shows up in so many 80s movies, not just this guy as an actor. Comic relief kinda guy. Yeah, it's an 80s movie's trope, is your cool, in style, friend named Stiles.

Get you in trouble, hey man, I wanna get a keg of beer. And he has a shirt that he wears for not an insignificant portion of the movie that says, what are you looking at, dick nose? Yeah, so yeah, we had to talk about that. You seem to really, really like that. I mean, how could you not like that shirt? I mean, like you win.

The moment somebody reads it, you've won. You know what I'm saying? It's like if somebody has to read it, they know that it's directed to them and it's like, ah, I can't say anything to that guy. I don't know this, but I bet you they made it for the movie. Yeah, but then they probably sold it

at Myrtle Beach and other places and probably sold like hotcakes. You can buy, yeah, of course you can buy that shirt. We could probably sell one. And I mean incidentally once he becomes Teen Wolf and he's all popular, Stiles is also creating merch and a marketing scheme for the Teen Wolf. You know, I mean what's her name, Pamela?

Pamela is Mick's girlfriend. Mick is like the classic bully. Yep. Who, uh. Evil, bad guy. And even though he was obviously not a teenager playing a teenager, in the movie he's supposed to be 19, or older than that maybe, because he did time.

So I don't know if you picked up on that detail, but they reference the fact that he was in prison at some point and that's why he's still in high school and he looks a little bit older. But controversially. But I was saying Pamela was wearing a Teen Wolf T-shirt which Stiles created and was selling out of his Teen Wolf mobile truck.

I'll get into the more details about like, specifically, lots of questions about Mick and like where he actually goes to school. Well I will say that my kids immediately started to echo a lot of what your kids were concerned about. Which was, I mean they're like, what's wrong with this music? I mean there's like,

Is there something wrong with it? Very, oh, like distracting musical interludes and like overlays. It very, very forward with the 80s music. It's like someone got a hold of a synth and it just wouldn't go away. It was incessant. Well, I think there are some things that help to explain

why the movie has some of the characteristics that it does. So interestingly, this movie was made, so this movie came out in 1985. Another Michael J. Fox that you may have heard of, Michael J. Fox movie that you may have heard of came out in 1985, it's called Back to the Future. And uh. Didn't see it, but I have heard of it.

I have seen it since then, like I said. And Back to the Future. And uh. Didn't see it but I have heard of it. I have seen it since then like I said. And Back to the Future was filmed after Teen Wolf but came out before. Oh really? Yeah. So Michael J. Fox was in demand already. Because he was on. He was on Family Ties.

Family Ties the television show which incidentally Teen Wolf 2 T-O-O the sequel featured his Family Ties the television show, which incidentally, Teen Wolf 2, T-O-O, the sequel, featured his Family Ties older brother, what's his name? Jason Bateman? Jason Bateman. It was his sister's. No, yeah, Jason Bateman wasn't on Family Ties. Justine Bateman was his sister on the show.

Oh, his real life sister. But that's the real life sister of. Yes. What show is Jason Bateman on? Ozark. Silver Spoon. What show is Jason Bateman on? Ozark. Silver Spoon. Silver Spoon. Silver Spoons?

Yeah. I'll be damned. But they obviously tried to get Michael J. Fox to come back for something. What a tangled web we weave. Teen Wolf 2. We go back to the 80s, man. Well I think you're the only one who wove

that particular weave. I could've sworn he was on Family Ties, but yeah it was just the female version of him. Yeah, right. So anyway, they filmed it before Back to the Future, Back to the Future then, and I did read that his mom on Family Ties got pregnant, so they had to take a hiatus,

and then that's why he all of a sudden was in on Teen Wolf. But I did not know that then they shot Back to the Future afterward and it came out like a month and a half before Teen Wolf was released, correct? Yes. And just some interesting parallels between Back to the Future.

Actually they shared filming locations. So there's a street in South Pasadena that is, so the Howard family home from the movie is located on the same block as the 1955 George McFly house and the 1955 Lorraine Baines houses from Back to the Future. And then not only that, but the Howard house is the exact same house as Marty McFly's mom's house.

Really? All in South Pasadena. Now, if you're wondering why, there's a bunch of things in this movie that seem, interestingly, they came out at the same time, but Back to the Future is a perfect movie, okay? It is a perfect movie. It is, you know.

Yeah, I mean, there's many people who make all types of movie arguments that will make them up one wall and down the other that it is the perfect movie. I'm not gonna make the argument. I love the movie, I love the t-shirts even more than the movie for a long time. Well here's one of the big differences between the two movies.

So the budget of Back to the Future in 1985 was $19 million. And how much did it make? It made $389.1 million at the box office. Wow. And I'm sure it's made a lot more than that since then. Now what do you think the budget of Teen Wolf was? $1.1 million.

Oh, you saw this as well? I looked on the wiki, yeah. 1.2 million and it made 80 million in the box office. So tit for tat, it actually did better in terms of return on investment, ROI. But not. I think you're just talking about percentage. The percentage.

It's not tit for tat. The original budget percentage, it was ballooned like 8,000% or whatever that is, 80,000%, 8,000%. Anyway, all I'm saying is it made a bunch of money, but it was like a 20th or a 19th of the actual cost, and that's why it seems that way. Like there's a bunch of people online who've like pointed out things.

So cheap. That make it seem so cheap. It was filmed really, really quickly. Like there's a scene where he's walking down the street in front of the hardware store and Boof, his girlfriend, who's not his girlfriend, at first, she's not, which incidentally we now know that Boof means fart, means flatulence, but that just happened

to be her name in the show. What do you mean we now know that? From the Kavanaugh hearings. Oh. He was asked what Boof meant From the Kavanaugh hearings. Oh. He was asked what Boof meant and he said flatulence. Oh. And so then there are, there's a scene where he's walking down the street

and you can clearly see the dolly track in the reflection. The kind of stuff that would have been seen and taken out or corrected. They just did, when he's on top of the van, he goes by the jack in the box and then he goes by the same jack in the box again. From a different camera angle. And you can see these things and I couldn't see it

in the 80s and no one cared about it that much. I mean I'm sure there were like critics who cared about it at the time but the average movie goer didn't care about it but my kids have just grown up in this world where movies have just gotten better and they care about stuff like that and the nature of the realism of the basketball scenes and all that.

They can't enjoy it. Here's the thing though, I mean, okay, low budget, maybe I can forgive that. Yeah, the makeup's not great in the first, where he's wolfing out for the first time and he's in front of the bathroom mirror and they're showing closeups of him starting to transform. The makeup is just painfully obvious.

I mean it's just cringey. And then they don't have time to fix errors in shooting and continuity and things like that that you're talking about. But to me the problem is the story and then a lot of the direction is just mindless and cheap, man. I mean, it's just odd.

It's just so bad. Well. I mean, I can give you a few examples. The whole story is weird. Like once he becomes the wolf, okay? So he transforms in his bathroom. What a scene. And.

What a moment. The best moment of the movie. So I'm gonna say something absolutely positive that blew my mind. Cause I hadn't seen the trailer, I'd never seen any of this. There's this whole buildup of him transforming and that was kinda like okay I can forgive the visual effects and the makeup.

But then he's like having a conversation with his dad outside of the door and his dad's like, you let me in there son, I'm your father. I wanna know what's going on in there. And he's like, okay dad, if you say so, I'm gonna let you in. And he goes over there and it's like a build up, build up, build up and then he opens the door.

And then it's the best reveal shot, the most shocking shot I've ever seen and reacted to, maybe in any movie, is it reveals his dad is also a werewolf. And he is amazing looking. Now you mentioned the makeup. And I busted out laughing when that door opened and I had to rewind the movie because I had a sustained belly laugh for like a minute and a half.

Okay, and do you know that the producer? Awesome. One of the executive producers of the movie was interviewed for the 30th anniversary, I think it was. And well, maybe it was a- Best reveal I've ever seen in a movie. Specifically, I'm talking about this review. Yes.

So they interviewed him, because apparently they re-released the movie and it came along with a three hour behind the scenes thing with talking to all the people involved in the movie. I'm sure. I bet it's not as good as this. I'm sure Michael J. was not involved. Well maybe he was.

Maybe he was. But the producer, I don't remember the guy's name, but he's basically saying he was so nervous in watching the film and they definitely saw it as a comedy. And he said he remembered one of the first laughs was like a joke that was intended for people to laugh. But he said, when the dad opens the door and reveals himself, the theater was in uproarious laughter.

And it's crazy because his makeup is nuts! I mean, we're looking at it right now. It's like if you were to take a weed, like a leaf blower and spray it directly at Cousin It's face and you would hope that all the hair would part and it would reveal a face in the middle. It's just, it's unreal.

The glasses really bring it all together. And if you had never seen anything about Teen Wolf and you saw this picture, what would you say? And I said, what is this guy supposed to be? Would werewolf be one of the things that you, would it be in the top 10 things on your list? It would definitely not be in the top 10 things on my list. Like an amazingly friendly monkey?

A monkey, they look like monkeys. Like a bonobo. And look at Michael J. Fox, look at his makeup. It's Planet of the Freaking Apes, man. Yeah. It's like that's what they were inspired by. It's not. A wolf.

It's not a wolf. But let me tell you, because I just can't lavish enough. But I do think it's great. I can't lavish enough praise on, I wanna go back to, I wanna look at that picture while I'm talking for the rest of my life. I can't lavish enough praise on that reveal scene

and I know I set it up with a negative and I was gonna say negative crap but like, I was going to. This moment redeemed the entire movie for me. I laughed so hard and before we came in here, I watched the trailer from 1985 for the movie and it has this scene in it, they did not, it's in the trailer which is a horribly wrong thing to do.

That's why it made 80 mil man because sometimes you gotta, you know. So I'm really sad that anyone who saw the trailer before they saw the movie, it would've spoiled the most definitive reveal scene I've ever experienced. And I, as an adult man, in 2018, I experienced it fresh. Like, I'm so glad that I got to do that.

Like, there were so many opportunities for this to be spoiled for me and somehow it wasn't. Well and it's not just how amazing it is visually, it's the fact that his dad's a werewolf as well. I mean it's the perfect reveal. Yeah and my guard was down, I was like, this movie sucks man and my expectations were so low and then they soared, like the change in experience

in a movie is also something I've never experienced. Going from like, this is, I don't know if I can keep watching this, to this is my favorite thing I've ever experienced on a screen. Did it sustain itself for the rest of the movie? I rode the wave and it, I mean, again, the crescendo was so high that even though it was a downward, even I'll say spiral from there,

I still never got back down to the low point before that. I was like, this is a cool movie. Did you pick up on the fact that his dad said during the movie, quote, when you want it, you're gonna have great power, and with great power goes a greater responsibility. Which is what Uncle Ben says to Peter Parker in The Amazing Spider-Man.

Well, I mean, I just think it's. They lifted the line, man. So. From the comic? No, Spider-Man lifted the line from Teen Wolf. Oh. It's my theory. I'd like to think that it was in the comic before that because as poorly as this movie's written, I'd hate to say that, I'd hate to think that anything was in the comic before that because as poorly as this movie's written,

I'd hate to think that anything came from it. I mean, and the direction is just odd. Like, here's the thing that I was getting at. Okay, so that's the transformation scene, the amazing reveal moment, but then that's just to his dad. The first time anyone else knows that he's a werewolf, the second time he transforms, is in the middle of a basketball game,

he's in a tussle, you know, they're scrumming for the ball and all of a sudden you can't see him anymore, can't see Scott, and they're like, and all of a sudden you hear, oh you hear some like, some rumblings of somebody turning into a werewolf in that pile. And then boom, he emerges. And everybody's just in a stupor.

They're just standing there. And look, I mean, he's a wolf in his full glory. And then he looks around, he starts dribbling that basketball, and then he makes a beeline and slam dunks it. And then, okay, a human being just turned into a werewolf and slam dunked a basketball.

And then, what? The game continues and very quickly, he's the most popular person on the planet. Yeah. Like, there's no questioning of how? How the heck? What the crap? Who, are you a werewolf?

Are you a planet of the ape? What's going on here? And nobody cares! Isn't there something beautiful about that? Nobody cares. There was a time in which we would watch a movie and a guy would turn into a werewolf and we wouldn't stop and ask the annoying question

or make the annoying observation, oh that would never happen. Who cares, it's a movie. He's popular and then he's constantly the wolf. And he's like, B? But didn't you love it? Didn't you love that moment? I thought it was stupid.

It was beautifully stupid though. I'm just saying when I saw, and I remember as he was dribbling around in the music. It was so unrealistic. Once he starts dribbling around in the way the music comes on. Well I know that turning into a wolf is unrealistic but I mean.

And what makes you good at basketball? Are wolves, is this part of werewolf folklore? Oh yeah, that's realistic. Are they good at sports? Is there any other evidence that werewolves are good at sports or is he the only one because that's an original thing. But you know what I'm saying, right?

I mean it's, you can't have a movie now where. You couldn't do it now. You suspend your disbelief so much that like not. Unless that was part of the bit. And maybe we'll come back and make an argument that that's just part of it and we're just gonna embrace it but I just, it's's fact, you cannot get away with those type of choices now.

You know, even with something outlandish, you've gotta, people have to, if they're normal humans in normal society, they gotta react in a way that at least is believable. Well as it was happening, I told my kids, I actually paused it and I was like, guys, just so you understand, because they were like shaking their heads in disbelief

while he was dribbling around the court. First of all, it was a lot like when the Fresh Prince of Bel Air would play basketball and it was obviously like a set. It wasn't quite that bad but the ridiculous nature of how quickly he would get to places and the way they would put the shots together, it's just all so just ham-fisted together.

It's cheap, it's a cheap movie. But I had to pause it and I was like, kids, you need to understand, when I saw this when I was your age, I thought it was awesome. There was no like, this is dumb in any way. I could not, I don't know what it is, but I didn't have the ability to look at this guy playing basketball and then go and watch television

and see guys actually playing basketball and see a real difference, you know what I'm saying? No, here's what it was. It was a, you approached movies differently. It wasn't, there wasn't this criteria of it reflecting. Wasn't a documentary, man. It wasn't, it didn't have to reflect any level of reality.

It was still so special. I mean, we weren't years from having to rent the VCR to bring the tape home and be able to watch it. I mean, in the theater, the movie theater, it was just so magical that it wasn't, you didn't apply anything from the real world to it. We were just grateful to have it. Yeah, we're just so happy that we were just,

in our real lives, we're on pause for a second. You weren't constantly being exposed to media and you weren't judging it against each other. We had no idea. There's a dolly in that shot. You didn't know what a dolly was. And we had, and critics, I'm gonna read you the New York Times official review,

but just let me say, people in Buies Creek at the time were not reading the New York Times period, but were not reading the New York Times period but also not reading the New York Times reviews of movies. We made our decisions about movies based on the poster and the title and who was in it and when we went to see it, you was gonna have to suck so hard for us not to have a good time. Even in college, we would determine what movies

we saw based on the poster. Oh yeah. I totally remember walking. That's how you rented DVDs, man. That's why posters existed in movie theaters because you were there to watch a movie and you would see the other movies. I mean, it was just like a trailer

and that's what you would decide. And then when you started renting movies, you would choose movies based on how many sleeves were up there. It's like, oh, there's 12 of that one. That must be good. You know what I'm saying, there's 12 of that one, that must be good. You know what I'm saying? There's only one of that, it must suck.

Let me tell you something interesting about basketball scenes because I found this fascinating. Okay. As you might have guessed, that was not Michael J. Fox playing basketball when he turns into the wolf. One clue is that he can play basketball. Another clue is that he doesn't look anything like

the other wolf in the film who is played by Michael J. Fox. It wasn't that bad. They only showed wide shots. It's pretty bad. They didn't show close-ups of another guy's face. Yeah, they didn't make that mistake. I was fine with that. I'm not gonna crap on that.

Interesting story. So Michael J. Fox is only five foot four and they needed somebody to basically stand in for him to play basketball and they only made one suit. They only made one of the wolf suits and it was a hand-stitched thing that you had to get into. And so they had to go, they actually had a guy lined up, apparently a very short man who was good at basketball,

and he backed out at the last minute, and they had to go. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, you want me to be a wolf? And there was a dude who was a scout for the Dallas Mavericks who was also involved in Hollywood in some way and was involved with a movie that they got and they found this guy, Jeff Gosler, who was a basketball player from Loyola,

I can never say that, Loyola? Loyola? Loyola, Loyola, Loyola, Marymount University. And he was like a college basketball player and he had never been in a movie and they were like, hey, you're short, you're good at basketball and you can fit in this suit. Can you come and play basketball like a globetrotter

for us? And he was like, sure, and he did it. And that's like the only thing he's ever done in entertainment. He did great, man. Dribble between his legs, dunk the basketball. Yeah, I was super impressed. He was awesome.

There was some weird direction. At one point, you know, once the wolf is so popular, by the way, he's like, he's montaging around campus, like being everybody's friend, like break dancing with a dude. Which incidentally, that was, I specifically recall that moment because this is the case with a lot of 80s movies,

but super whitewashed, right? I mean, we're talking like everybody at the school, all of his friends, all of his teachers, everybody's white. And then there's one black guy that shows up and he breakdances with him. It's like they made these decisions and no one was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa maybe we should think about representation a little bit.

They were not thinking about representation in any shape or form. And Stiles had specific homophobic and racist jokes, like overtly offensive. Like I had to pause and I had to say. Explain? Not pause and explain. And just to make absolutely sure to my kids

that like okay, the reason why you don't hear that term is because everyone knows not to say that term. Right. So that particular F word is in the movie. Yes, I remember that. But what was I getting at? Oh, the weird direction. So he's breakdancing, he's montaging his way through life as the wolf, nobody's blinking an eye,

he's the most popular guy, now he's not with the girl that you want him to be with, he's with the most popular girl who's like the dramatic actress with the blonde hair. And he's decimating the opponents of all the basketball squads. So much so that all of his teammates are bored. So it cuts to a shot of them playing a basketball game at some point and like the Wolf's going around

and like taking on the whole team by himself. So all of his teammates, one of his teammates is on the court eating an apple. Like I mean that's just a, that's just a, that's a funny directive, you know? I mean the director's literally saying, someone on the set is saying, okay you know, I want one of you guys, you know,

you're not playing basketball, give him an apple. And I'm on the fence about that because that's either genius. I think it was genius. But it's, because it's in that. But why an apple? And again, you can't do that now. You could do that in like a,

I mean, you gotta have a really, the movie's gotta be really dumb. It's gotta be like, I don't know, to make directorial choices like that, it's like this is a really stupid joke and it's like silly silly. Again, it just doesn't fit in the, this type of movie doesn't exist

where you can make directorial choices like that. It's like. And I think it did exist at the time. I think that was an 80s thing. And I think it was very clearly a comedy. With the kids on the court eating the apple. Yeah, well we should shoot a basketball scene and there that was an 80s thing. And I think it was very clearly a comedy. But the kid's on the court eating the apple. Yeah, well we should shoot a basketball scene and there should be an apple being eaten.

But I'd like to, I mean, so I can really, except for the reveal scene, I can really start to poo poo this thing as like, it's just, it just doesn't make enough sense and it's just stupid. But before you, if you're planning on redeeming it, before you, I wanna take. I'd like to explore something that might redeem it. Okay, because I want to read for you word for word,

because it's not very long, the New York Times review from August 23rd, 1985. Okay, yeah. Written by Vincent Canby, fancy New York Times film critic. Do it. Teen Wolf, which opens today at Lowell State and other theaters, is a high school comedy

about a young man, a sweet natured nonentity, nonentity, who gains small town celebrity and power when he discovers that he's a werewolf. For Scott Howard, Michael J. Fox, being a werewolf doesn't mean baying at the moon and chewing on the necks of former friends. It means that when he wills it, he can turn into a werewolf doesn't mean baying at the moon and chewing on the necks of former friends. It means that when he wills it, he can turn into a werewolf who's a star basketball player

and much in demand as a prom escort. The uplifting point of all this comes when Scott must decide whether or not he's willing simply to be his non-entity self and thus forfeit the fame that comes with this other, hairier identity. For a film that's so innocuous, Teen Wolf is aggressively boring. It doesn't even know much about high school life

since the members of the basketball team that Scott's team must play for the big championship attend his high school. Is there such a thing as an intramural all-state championship, which is something I said, it seems like Mick goes to his school, because he's at his school, he's at his prom, but then he's on the other team

during the state championship. Oh, and I gotta interject the one. How does this happen? I was baffled by that, and I was like, yeah, the evil guy from the other team, because I was so confused. And then another, just aside, directorial choice in that same basketball game, in the final one,

where he chooses to not become the werewolf but to be his Michael J. Fox self, and he wins the game at the free throw line. Yeah. But before. Nothing like a free throw scene. Before he, it all comes down to that sweaty free throw. So sweaty.

Unbelievably sweaty. His arch nemesis is standing under the basket facing him. I'm like. Yeah, that's a lane violation possibly. It's just like the director's like, give that man an apple and I want him to stand right there when he throws that orange circular thing into the laundry basket. The director's like, give that man an apple and I want him to stand right there when he throws that orange circular thing

into the laundry basket. And can we get another bucket of sweat? He's so sweaty. They literally just doused, it was almost unpleasant. It was almost an unpleasant amount of sweat. How can you put the kid underneath the basket? Because that's not how it works. Because isn't that better than him not being

under the basket, like if you have a choice? Like if basketball could work that way, if you could put the bad guy on the other team underneath the basket, would basketball be more entertaining? Yes. Yes. The director was like, I wanna make the entertaining choice. Can we eat food on the basketball court?

Yes we can because it's more entertaining. Can we put the villain underneath the basket? Yes we can. Can we sweat profusely and not have people wipe it up? Yes we can because it's more entertaining. Can we put the villain underneath the basket? Yes we can. Can we sweat profusely and not have people wipe it up? Yes we can. All because a kid turns into a wolf and nobody cares. They love it. Let me read the last paragraph.

The film is over. Give me a keg of beer. Yes, we'll talk about that scene. The film is overacted by everybody except Mr. Fox who is seen to far better advantage in Back to the Future. The special effects aren't super, but the movie isn't important enough to damage the classic werewolf myth.

Ooh, no silver bullet is needed to dispatch this movie. It dies a natural death as one looks on. Woo, that was a rough review. Well, but here's the problem with this guy. Still made 80 mil. This guy apparently did not go through puberty. Oh okay, here we go. I think.

Metaphor, huh? I think we got, I mean obviously, I mean you know, he's a teenager, he's in the bathroom trying to deal with himself and figure out who he is and what happens with which. What are you doing son? I'm trying to deal with myself, Dad. Leave me alone, I'm turning the music up.

He's getting hairy, he's getting hairy. Nuff said, I mean his dad says, you got to get a hold on it son. Oh gosh, that's very direct. That's a quote, that's a quote. I mean it's a time in your life when everything's changing and you're scrambling through the ravages of hormones to just get a hold of yourself.

Why do you think it didn't happen in middle school though if it's a film about puberty? Why is it a happen in middle school though if it's a film about puberty. Why is it a senior in high school? Because you gotta. He's a late bloomer dude. Because you wanna get Michael J. Fox basically. He's a late bloomer. What can he do, he can play a high schooler.

Yeah. Would've been an eighth grader if he looked a little younger. I had to fast forward through the fully bloom scene where she takes her top off and says, what makes you wolf out? You fast forwarded, huh? Well, I mean, I had my whole family there and I'm like.

Well, it's educational. And you never know what they're gonna show in like a PG movie in the 80s. I mean, I had to. This could be a birds and the bees lesson. I had to watch a woman give birth in biology class. You know? Well, I watched it later on YouTube.

It was severely disappointing. So you think it's about puberty, which is a very, I mean, I think that is the consensus. It's about the changes that you undergo as a teenager that you feel like you can't control. Yeah and then. But what's the moral of the story? But it's also, I mean I think he was onto that,

which is, are you, you know, the question was is he going to change who he is in his core being just because outwardly he's different and like date someone based on questionable motives, questionable criteria or is he going to be true to his true self that doesn't change just because you get hairy and get more talented at basketball I guess.

Yeah, because I don't know how. And go to the prom as yourself versus going to the prom as. Yourself that went through puberty? I don't understand the analogy. Because you go through puberty and then you're through puberty. But he can't go back.

Okay, that is weird, yeah. Well, I think even though, well. A little weird. Again, I'm trying to make this work. Okay, all right. But he had the choice to go to the prom as himself with Boof or he went alone as the wolf, man. Hey, look at me.

But then he ends up with her, the girl that he should be with, as himself. But yeah, he could choose to go back. It's kind of a mixed metaphor here. Well, because it's like, okay, with great power. It's not written well. I mean, there was such an opportunity, so I will say that.

Maybe I'm landing on that side. So if with great power comes great responsibility, if that's a message, that's a theme in the movie, but then the application of that theme is, and with that great power, you don't need to use that great power. You know what I'm saying? It's like, he had great power,

but when was he actually supposed to use it? You know, his dad comes in during the prom scene when he's being picked on by the principal, the vice principal, it's always the vice principal for some reason. They can't afford the principal. And you gotta pay that guy more to act. And then his dad comes in and just growls at the guy.

And doesn't he pee himself? He pees his pants, yeah. So maybe you should just use the power of the wolf very sparingly, is that the, because he actually. Well I also think when he was making out with Boof at the party, he like clawed her back and like, I don't know, it's like maybe I'm projecting too much of like what we now in a good way are sensitive to.

It's like be in control of yourself and respect other people, especially someone that you're making out with or potentially, you know, it's like, that was a weird moment when it was like, but I think that was their way of trying to say, well you gotta be, you're changing but you've got to stay in control of yourself, man. Dude.

But this, that's a very good message. This analogy would have worked if it was more of the classic superhero plot, which is you find out that you have a superpower, you learn how to deal with that, and then you use the superpower for explicit good, right? But he gets the superpower and then decides not to use it to win a basketball game.

You know what I'm saying? It's just an odd, maybe that makes it great. He didn't let his hairiness define who he was. But he still is a werewolf, it is who he is. It's not something that he's not. It's part of who he is but it is not all of who he is. It is an outward manifestation, it's an outward all of who he is. It is an outward manifestation. It's an outward aspect of who he is.

That the only reason that girl dated him and he was popular was because of something that wasn't ultimately the core of who he was. And so was he going to go through life just leaning on the things that people liked about him and that made him popular and got him laid? No, he went back to who he actually was with people who knew him and cared about him

for who he was and got hairy only when he needed it, when he needed beer. Right, yes, when he demands the keg of beer from the liquor store. Okay, well that is definitely one take on it. If you, I mean you played basketball. And I went through puberty. And I got a lot better when I went through puberty

and I'm glad I stayed. What if Triton, you were playing Triton, Harness Central Gym, and all of a sudden you're in a scrum with a guy, well you're on the bench, of course. You're like, but you're watching, I don't want you to be in the scrum, I want you to be in a place where you're watching.

But I wasn't on the bench, what are you talking about? Just in this analogy? You were resting, whatever, don't get sidetracked. Well you made me think, of course you were on the bench, I went no, I started, man. Started, I was very hairy too. You were an observer at this particular moment and then a werewolf pops out.

I mean the whole place would clear out. Yeah we would. I don't mean to go back to this. We wouldn't care that he scored. It's like oh. We would not be there to see him dunk. As soon as he, yeah, by the time he got to the basket, everyone would be gone. He'd just be doing a shoot around by himself.

Well what, is that true though? Am I actually wrong? Would everybody pull out their phones and film it? Of course that would happen. I mean it's like, that woman who got hit with the golf ball man and her eye exploded. Everybody just started filming it instead of helping her. I think first of all they wouldn't say.

Of course she didn't turn into a werewolf. I think first of all they wouldn't say he turned into a werewolf. Look at that guy turn into a monkey. You know what I'm saying? Look at that guy that looks more like a monkey now. An orangutan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's very long hair. Look at that guy who looks like he's in bad monkey makeup. How did he, where did he come from? Man he's good. I could see, I could see. Is that legal? If it were football I could see that happening. And you're like, they have like trick plays in football.

You don't have trick plays like that in basketball. Especially on a high school level. You could though, if somebody's gonna dress up in a suit, it's like the mascot suddenly getting in the game and it's like, I don't know, is this cool, can we do this? Of course, the one thing I didn't mention. It's actually just like the mascot getting in the game. Tying into puberty, you know who the mascot was?

Speaking of puberty. The Beavers. Oh wow. Mascot was the Beavers. I'll leave it at that. Yeah, what does that mean? So. I'll leave it to Beaver.

Film is over there feeding me lines. Leave it to Beaver. Film is over there feeding me lines. Leave it to Beaver, you say that. So where are we landing on this? I mean, first of all, I have established. Does it suck? For me, I've seen Teen Wolf. I can talk about it, I don't have to like bow my head or like no longer make eye contact

when it comes up in conversation with other cool people who like lived lives in the 80s. I did a whole podcast on it, did a whole pod on it. You should listen, it's called Ear Biscuits. I mean the reveal scene, highlight of my life, highlight of my cinematic life. You wanna get that guy tattooed on your back? That would be amazing.

Hairy back, I have a tattoo hairy back. Oh man, if you got that, I would give you, I would. Put him on my butt cheeks. If you get that, if you get that tattooed somewhere on your body. That's awesome. I will get something that you suggest tattooed on my body. Yeah, that's the dad from Teen Wolf.

I mean, it's so good. That would look luscious on one butt cheek. Maybe one peck. One peck. One peck, yeah. Think about it. So that's my takeaway is. But does it suck? That was the question.

By today's standards, of course, but is that even fair? Like everything we've been doing, as I've taught, I've started to feel dirty, like with our modern day assessment of it, it's not fair. That's why I talked about Back to the Future. Yeah, that's true. A contemporary film with it that was the perfect movie. You're right.

That was incredible. They hacked their way through the script. To me, I'll even forgive the directing, the script is hacky. And that's the death knell. It's not anything else, I mean everything else could be endearing but it's like we're trying to make sense of it and there's so many pieces

and they could've brought it together better. I mean it's like we're forcing it together to like have some redeeming quality and like I feel like I put together a good life lesson from it but I did a lot of heavy lifting. So you say. In spite of this script. It sucks, Teen Wolf sucks.

That's, is that where you're landing? Yes. I'm saying that Teen Wolf sucks as well but you know what, it doesn't matter that it sucks. You should still watch it, and it's still great in its own way, but does it suck? Yeah, it sucks. You knew that before we started this.

Why do we even do this? That made you. Yeah, you should watch it though. Well, you should have already watched it. This would have been that much better. But go watch it now and then listen again. All right, there it is. Give us another listen.

Yeah, if there's any other movie, a ubiquitous movie from the 80s, hashtag Ear Biscuits Me, I'll let you know if I've seen it. Maybe we should do this again. Let us know. I think we need to do Top Gun, it. Maybe we should do this again, let us know. I think we need to do Top Gun, personally. I really think Top Gun. They're making a new one.

Yeah, because they're making a new one. I haven't even seen Snippets. It's gonna be so fresh to me. Yeah, there's a great reveal scene. You can get it tattooed on your other pec. You're gonna be fully tatted by the time we stop talking about movies. Okay, all right.

It's got, it's got what's his name in it? Goose? Yeah, what's Van, I wanna call him Van, what's his name, but I don't know why I'm saying that. Val Kilmer. Yeah, it's got Batman in it. It's got Val Kilmer in it. All right, but any other movies like that, let me know and let us know what you thought

about Teen Wolf, hashtag Ear Biscuits. Boy, this was fun, I learned so much. Yeah, I had fun. I'm so hip. Happy Halloween.