Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 177: How Do We Party? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 177

Episode Date: January 21, 2019

Everyone has those awkward party moments. R&L expose some of their recent cringey encounters as they explore how to play the game of industry parties in this week's episode of Ear Biscuits. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is Mythical. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I'm Rhett. And I'm Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we're gonna ask the question, how do we party? How do we party, man? And we're gonna answer that question for you. And specifically what we mean by that

because it was intended to be a little bit click-baity because who are we trying to kid here? We wanted you to click, those of you that need that kind of motivation. What we're talking about specifically is the way that we approach the Hollywood industry. Industry. Industry party scene,

which we have become somewhat familiar with this year. We're starting, well we're starting to become familiar with it. The one party that I think we're gonna spend a lot of time on was, it was. The GQ party. That was late last year. Yeah.

It was not this year technically. So yeah, there was that party, there was the Golden Globes party. We just haven't had an opportunity to like fully process with you our experience at these parties and it is a whole world in and of itself. Not just the party but the, I mean, this whole aspect of the industry is a part of it.

So, you know, the goal of this episode is just to share with you our experience, warts and all. I don't think there'll be that many warts. Yes, there are. I just wanna have fun talking about it because some of the more hilarious things that have happened in your presence have happened at these parties.

I don't know. I don't know if I'm fully ready for the world to know about it. But I trust you, Ear Biscuit-eer. Don't trust me. We trust that you will keep all of this in confidence. With my experience, yeah, because it's. We also, we did share that one story about

the party we were at where we couldn't get a drink. Yeah, at the bar. At the bar. And then, you know, that was on a previous podcast. I don't know which one it was. I think that guy's still thinking about probably not making us a drink. He's still there. And that is just kind of like a small indication of what our

subsequent experiences have been. Now, I'm gonna start with what I think is a maxim, a thesis of what, of why. Of course you could just say it's a hypothesis. No, it's not a hypothesis. No, it's not a hypothesis. It is a maxim from which, or a principle from which all of the stuff and all of the reasons

that we're gonna talk about why we even do this. Yeah. Why it exists. And that is because, I'm gonna try to make it sound like a maximum. A maximum. A maximum maxim. That which fuels Hollywood is bullshit. Yeah. That is the maxim, okay? Yeah. And what I mean by that

is that if you were, you talk about the Hollywood machine. Now let's say the Hollywood machine is a vehicle and you were to look into the gas tank and you were like what fuels this Hollywood machine? And the premise is you open up the gas can and it's full of bullshit. Or I would say it might be a vapid tank of emptiness.

Well no, I think that's the destination. That's the, that is. That's what your soul becomes. That is the destination of the Hollywood machine is a vast tank of emptiness. But the fuel is bullshit and here's what I'm saying is that every single, you know, you wanna believe, you want to believe that all this is based on

art and talent and obviously those things exist. You need to be good at what you're doing to kinda get into, to some extent, to kinda get into the game at all. And then you might add to that, okay yeah, it's also who you know because we're all humans and you might be thinking that. That's part of bullshit though.

I think it goes further because that. I'm including that. Knowing people and like getting things done with people that you know or that you know someone who knows someone and you feel like there's a little bit more trust or there's something like I owe this person. That's true of just life in a lot of ways. So I think that what you're getting at

goes even further than that to this just, you wanna start to think that like, oh there's people in Hollywood and they're going to parties and they're all having a great time and just hanging out and the people who are at parties are popular. And if you're, so if you are seen at a party, then you are seen as popular, as hot, as the cool crowd. I mean it's like there's this high school cool crowd thing

that happens and it's a whole game built around like the whole TMZ pictures being taken, voyeuristic entertainment tonight type situation. It's all about perception and the reality is superseded by the perception and the perception determines the reality in a lot of ways in this town, right? Now, and let me say that I'm not critiquing that.

This podcast is not about critiquing that. It obviously has been well critiqued. And I think that we navigate the space knowing, at least being somewhat familiar with the pitfalls of thinking that this is where ultimate purpose belongs. That's not what we believe. And so we kind of play this game trying to figure out the rules but knowing that the vast tank of emptiness

at the end of the rainbow is not something that we're interested in. But what we are interested in is we're interested in exercising our craft, right? That's what we're trying to do. And we want to do that on the most significant level possible and so that's kind of our purpose in what we do and why we're playing this game.

We play the game because we wanna continue to create and we wanna be able to create in the most significant way and the best and most strategic way to do that for us is to do it in the context of the system, at least somewhat. We obviously. Because now we're doing a lot that we're very proud of and that we're very glad to continue to be doing

in this alternate reality that came from the internet. Right. And so without sacrificing any of that, you know, we still wanna make a movie. We still wanna make another scripted story, a scripted series that is seen by more people than Buddy System season two to date has been seen by. So we start to say how can we,

do we need to start getting in the ring and playing this game? Do we need to buy a ticket to the ring and playing this game? Do we need to buy a ticket to the game and start playing it? Well let me just address. To get some opportunities. Address one criticism which I relate to and appreciate because there's a lot of people

who make digital content like us. Independent creators who make digital content, everything we do on YouTube, this podcast, all the stuff that we do independently, we can cancel ourselves, we determine when the season starts and ends, that's completely outside of the Hollywood machine in a lot of ways, right? So you might say, well why don't you just continue

to create in that sphere? You guys could just make a movie. You guys could go on Kickstarter and raise money from Mythical Beasts and just make a movie. Yes guys could go on Kickstarter and raise money from Mythical Beasts and just make a movie. Yes, that is a path and we're not saying we'll never do that but in the current situation that we find ourselves in, the most, the way to get your work to be considered by the people who kind of control the cultural conversation

is it's very, very difficult to say make a movie completely outside the system and just sell it directly to people who already know you and for that to be as significant and I don't know, maybe we'll learn X number of years down the road that we should have just not even pursued this but for better or worse, what we are pursuing right now is trying to create things on a higher level and do it with at least or worse, what we are pursuing right now is trying to create things

on a higher level and do it with at least a portion of what we're doing as part of our career within the system. And so you hire a PR firm to help you navigate and give you opportunities and get you into stuff. Right. So we're doing that. And that's how you get into these parties before you become like a bigger star in their eyes,

in the people who are throwing the parties' eyes. Before the people throwing the parties want you to be at the parties, which is not where we're at right now, right? Right. You have to find somebody who can get you into the parties, which is not where we're at right now, right? Right. You have to find somebody who can get you into the parties. Right.

And it's, again, bullshit! And that sounds, feels a little dirty when it's like you know we're saying that involves money. But the funny thing, I mean I'm just, indirectly, but yeah. But the interesting thing, just to give you a small example of this, so the structure of a lot of these parties is that you show up at the event and there is a red carpet,

you get your picture taken by a series of photographers, you've seen these, we share those photos and we try to do our little stance, handshake stance and stuff like that. But one of the things I noticed pretty early on is that we went to a few of these parties last year and it's all the same photographers. I mean it's these people who are,

there's a relatively small pool of people, right? And so it's just like you can hear them. They're like who are these guys? And then we have to say well it's Rhett and Link. What are your last names? Don't worry about our last names. Can you stand on that set? No, we stand like this, we stand like Rhett and Link.

Like there was a lot of orientation for people to understand what we were trying to do. And then, little by little, you start hearing people say, I actually heard a photographer say, oh it's those guys again. Oh it's working. Somebody's bored of us already. Sadly, oh it's those guys again. And it's in, sadly. Oh it's working. Somebody's bored of us already. Sadly, oh it's those guys again

is what we're looking for, right? So the people who. I bet you they're gonna shake hands and then raise one of their legs. There they go, they're doing that dumb pose again. So. And why? That is part of it. I'm just saying that that is part of the system.

It's one of the biggest parts of the game. Before you even get into the party, you gotta do this and matter of fact, you could just stop there because it's such an important part of the party, you could make an argument and I think many celebrities do in their own mind, they show up for the red carpet and then they just leave and don't even go to the party because they in their own mind, they show up for the red carpet and then they just leave and don't even go to the party

because they got their picture taken, proof that they were there because the game, or at least the big aspect of it, is looking like you belong with the cool people. It's like, oh, this is a cool thing, here's a picture of that person at it. That's it. I can prove I'm in the group.

I'm in the group. I got my picture in the same place that these other, like Jeff Goldblum got his picture. Right. And then you go into the party after that and you're like okay yeah, like 90% of this is done because you got your picture, you got your credit. And so the way that we approach these parties though

and this is what we're gonna get into is not the, obviously we do the red carpet thing, we get the picture. So we'll be, so somebody who writes something on the internet will associate us with this particular event but of course we approach it, you know, yeah okay we may be, we may have a show that's very popular in certain circles and that we may have some stuff to show

and some stuff to be able to say, hey, we should be here, I mean, we've created this and that, but what we're, kind of the overarching thing that we're thinking when we're there is really sort of the perspective of like 13-year-old Rhett and Link, you know, at Buies Creek Elementary School. really sort of the perspective of like 13 year old Rhett and Link, you know, at Buies Creek Elementary School.

It's like, there's a lot of famous people here, who do you wanna talk to? You know, really, or how good is the food? Where is the food, how much is it, how big are the plates? Well there's two things going, there's learning the game which is, you know, it's just a challenge in trying to figure out how this game is played and how do you get points and how do you advance

your strategy and all those things, that's interesting. Observing it as an outsider is very entertaining to us, I believe. Oh yeah. And hence why we're happy to talk about it. Right. But then there's also an aspect of it that is, you know, then you're actually, you're trying to get to know people.

There is another part of the game that is getting to know people that are successful at getting things done and making connections. Because it is that who you know and who you met and when you met them, how was their breath? Because do you like them? Do you want to keep working with them? How was their breath?

You know that type of stuff. Because they're just humans too. So it's humans working with humans so you gotta work that part of it. But then the question in my mind, and this will become painfully obvious once we get into what happened is, man, is it worth it?

Turns out there's a lot of risk involved in trying to play this game. There's risk of, all types of. I think there's risk when you play the game. All types of emotional, if not physical injury. Emotional injury, embarrassment. Man, it really does feel a lot of times like it's your first day in high school

walking around the cafeteria with your lunch tray trying to figure out who do you sit with or who do you sit next to and is there gonna be an open seat at all or is somebody gonna come and, am I gonna trip and fall? And boy the risk is real. I'll just leave it at that for the moment but.

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That's EarBiscuits.Robinhood.com. Now back to the biscuit. Okay, so do you wanna talk about the GQ party? Yeah, let's talk about them in chronological order because there's things that we learned that then the question with the Golden Globes party is were any of those lessons then applied? I think some were.

I think that's one of the main questions and plus I just wanna get this whole GQ experience, I just wanna cleanse it from my system. So by putting it on the internet, it's gonna hurt. It might hurt a little bit but at least it'll be out of me and onto you. Okay, so I can talk a little bit about the philosophy of how we operated these parties, okay so.

Well Stevie was with us. Well yeah, that's part of it. That's the first, she was with us for that one. Stevie went with us to the GQ party, which I think there's a different dynamic when it's just two guys walking around the party like we had at the Golden Globes HBO party, then when you've got sort of three people,

two guys and a girl, because now you kind of seem like this is a group and at any time that you just begin talking to each other, you just look like people who are a group of people talking. But two guys talking to each other doesn't constitute a group, really. Especially when they both have on tuxes and look,

obviously are friends in the way that we were kind of in the Gold Coast. They're not talking to anyone except who they came with. With three, there's a question. Right. That's good. And you know, I'm gonna, before we, before we expose Link a little bit,

I'm going to build him up a little bit. Because Link, between the two of us, is the one who is more fearless and just beginning to talk to somebody, right? He's always been the one that would go up to somebody, kind of initiate a conversation. I'm very standoffish and self-conscious and don't like to do that.

I don't ever talk to celebrities when I see them, even if I'm a fan, but Link is very comfortable with that. It leads to some great opportunities and some great mishaps as you will see. I mean the whole point is to talk to people, to get to know people at a party. No, it's great. But it is very difficult to talk to people.

I mean again it goes back to that whole like, you're in high school and you're like, you don't know anybody in the cafeteria and you're like, to make your way, you gotta start meeting people and there is a pecking order. Yeah, well. So it's like, I mean, who's gonna come up and talk to us?

Right, well and to kinda contrast it. So obviously it's one of those things that like, this is like life advice, right? So when you are with somebody who has a particular strength just let them do that thing, right? Don't, I have absolutely, I don't care at all that he's the one, like if Link and I are helping someone move, for instance, well you know what Link's gonna do?

He's gonna be the one that is in the moving truck organizing and Tetris-ing the stuff into the moving truck. Yeah and you're gonna be eating whatever food they provide. Right, now, and I could. I got a bad back. And I, you know, where are your donuts?

Not only is he good at that but he likes to do that. Let someone use their gifts. So when we go to a party together, I'm like, all right, so when I went to the Queer Eye for the Straight Guy premiere party with my wife, just the two of us. She's a big fan of the show. I am sort of a proximate fan of the show through her and have watched it with her a few times.

And we really wanted to talk to some of the cast. But she's just. You wanted to lock a queer eye. She's just. With your eye. She's just like me in that she doesn't, she just feels like I don't wanna look stupid, I don't wanna be embarrassed. So we ended up talking, we only talked to people that we,

like she saw Nate Berkus, you know, the designer, and she had a point of connection and she had something and they'd been to the same, anyway she talked to him for a second and that was like cool and that worked and then some people, but we didn't end up actually having a conversation with any of the cast because at some point they ended up just hanging out with John Legend and Chrissy Teigen and just in this group

and it was like, it was impenetrable. I actually went up to the group because Lance Bass was on the outside of the group and I told Jessie, I was like, I bet that Lance Bass knows who I am. I was going out on a limb but I was like, he's done a bunch of stuff with YouTubers. So you hovered around Lance Bass, member of what, NSYNC? Is it NSYNC?

And then waited for him to turn around and maybe recognize you? No, that's not what I did. What I did is I was like, I'm gonna go up to Lance Bass and initiate a conversation and then I will figure out, I will know instantly if he knows who I am. If he does, I'm on the exterior of the circle and I might be able to do a flip or switcheroo

and suddenly be on the inside of the circle. Body slam. Now you gotta understand, this took a lot. This took a lot for me. I went up to Lance Bass and I said, hey Lance, I'm Rhett. And he was like, cool. Cool.

Or something like that. And continued to sort of bob his head to the music. He was waiting to get in on the other convo and he didn't want you to block him from it. Yeah and I think I said something else but it was, I had an out plan, I don't remember what it was but I took the out, I pulled the rip cord real soon, real early, total fail.

So I've been there too, bud. Yeah and we talked about this. So then I knew going into this party, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna, I'm the tip of the spear. You know, I'm gonna stab around'm the tip of the spear. You know? I'm gonna stab around and then once I plunge into some flesh, then you guys are gonna run in and say oh I'm sorry, this is my spear,

let me yank that out and let's have a conversation. That was the stated plan. I mean we were all on the same page. The plan was that you would start the conversation and that we would then come in and continue the conversation, but the sort of unforeseen thing that didn't happen is we didn't discuss any of the parameters

for how you would begin a conversation. Right, why would you do that? That's my, that's kind of the lessons that we ended up learning. Well, like I said, there's a pecking order, so you go in there and I mean, you know, to initiate a conversation with somebody that is known and famous, you are immediately,

it is a position of weakness and you're lower. Because you're, I mean, and it's kinda like, well are you a fan or are you another person that I should think is cool? There's some psychological stuff happening. And not just that that but the percentages, the breakdown of recognizable, this sounds, again, I said from the beginning the premise is that

the fuel of Hollywood machine is bullshit so we're going with that for a second. The percentage of people who are quote unquote famous, the celebrities, is a minority of people at this party. The majority of people at the party are industry people who have a connection to the brand or the company, the people who are putting the party on.

And so this isn't like, which we've never been to the kind of party where you go to a celebrity's home and every single person there is a celebrity. That's a different, that's like a private party. We've never been invited to one of those. No. But this is the kind of thing where if you're a celebrity, you know that there's a bunch of

regular folk who want to start a conversation with you so all the celebrities have a little bit of a defensive mechanism that they're operating with. We got there and we looked around and we didn't see any big time celebrities and we knew they were gonna be at this party so we immediately are like asking like, is there a hidden room?

Is there like a, we like, you make a quick lap or you're looking around and you're like, is there like a roped off section? And we actually talked, we knew the people from GQ who were throwing the party and then we were talking with them and we actually talked, we knew the people from GQ who were throwing the party and then we were talking with them and we actually asked them. So where's the special, where's the real famous room? I was like oh there isn't one, I was like okay.

And then I looked around and I saw Adam from Adam Ruins Everything. Yes. Who we'd never met but we both worked with the same producing partners before and so we. He came from the internet, college humor. Oh yeah.

So we just, we kind of go in with some confidence thinking we probably are familiar with each other. Well, I felt like we were in similar places on the pecking order so anyone could approach anyone. He's walking by and I'm like, hey Adam, I'm Link. Good to meet you. Good to finally meet you is what I said because it's like I feel like we almost

have crossed paths a lot. That was good. He was very friendly. He ended up talking to us for a while. He was familiar with our work, we were familiar with his work, we were, it was mutual adulation. We were on the level, okay?

Great start. That was right when we walked in. We actually talked about how awkward this place, the exercise was. Because he kind of explained to us. He's like this isn't the first one of these type of parties that I've been to. I don't do this normally either, right?

So we talked about that dynamic of pretending to belong to then be seen as cool. And lo and behold, as we're talking, a photographer approaches and just starts taking photos of us having a candid conversation. They were candid photos. Candid photos. And then you started talking about how Jay-Z

takes a candid photo. Jay-Z likes to laugh while photos are taken of him. So even though he's in a conversation where there may not, it may not have been a punchline, at the moment he sees a cameraman, he just kinda like throws his head back and opens his mouth as if he's in mid-laugh. Look at candid pictures of Jay-Z on the internet and you will be surprised at how many he is smiling

and laughing in. All of them and I immediately realized as you were telling me and we were talking about that dynamic with Adam Ruins Everything, the beauty of, the genius of it because now there's the photos of Jay-Z having the time of his life with other people who apparently are cool at parties. So we tried that a little bit.

There may be an image floating around of that. And just as a side note, Adam does have a natural instinct to ruin everything. Like as we were talking about things, like he was like almost literally biting his lip trying to not overanalyze, I think in an adorable way. I really liked the guy, it wasn't annoying to me. I was actually fascinated that we were analyzing

this party situation and he was breaking it down. That's literally how his brain works all the time. Oh of course, yeah, he was doing actually well-informed version of what we're trying to do right now. He was pointing out all the dynamics of the situation and seeing right through it. But we knew if we kept talking to him that we wouldn't accomplish much

because I mean we both felt like we were on the same level and we needed to make a few laps. And we're like if this falls apart, if we don't generate any other leads, let's meet back here and have a good time. I think I said that at one point. So I think I wanna cover sort of the first misfire, okay? Well, who is that?

That's the, you know, that guy. Okay. I'm doing it in order. I'm doing it in order as I remember it. Well I did see Joe Keery before that, the guy from Stranger Things who was on our show and I went up and talked to him and he remembered me because he was on the show and then his girlfriend

was with him and she is from, I was like, I was talking to them for a while and I didn't know who she was and I was like. It follows. And I was like, and what do you do? She's like, I'm an actress. I'm like, anything I would know do? She's like, I'm an actress. I'm like, anything I would know? And they were like, it follows.

And I'm like, I haven't seen that. Yeah, that's so. So then it got, the conversation got a little weird. I didn't know that you asked that question, but you typically, as someone who never watches anything, you shouldn't say anything I would know because that's a really small pool of things. Well, that's her fault.

Yeah, so you should be like, oh cool. What are you working on now, right? Remember that's the, so we developed. Jacob almost fell out of his seat. Yeah that was something that we gleaned once we talked about this later because I kept going to talk about what people were known for.

Two lessons learned and that we already learned with the Joe Keery conversation. First of all, Joe was incredibly gracious and he's like, you know, he's done this with the way that Stranger Things kind of blew up and now he's gotten all these other roles. Like he's like, he's established himself. He's a Hollywood celebrity.

He can go to these things. Everybody recognizes him and he was super gracious, super nice, his girlfriend was equally nice and gracious. Yeah, we had a good time. Talked to us for a while. Now you asked the question. And then I was like, I was feeling good. Well, but two things, I wanna give the two lessons learned

at this conversation, because the first one was don't talk to them about the thing, because you also talked to Joe about how. Stranger Things season. Let me say, you told him, you were like, yeah man, I hadn't finished season two yet. Like so you actually, so first of all. Yeah and I was like, don't spoil it for me,

but you know what, maybe you could spoil it for me. But rule number one. Because wouldn't that be cool if Joe Keery spoiled season two for me? No it wouldn't, because rule number one is. No that was me talking to him. Rule number one is. I told him that.

Well okay, I wasn't there yet. See I didn't come in fast enough. Rule number one is, well okay, I wasn't there yet. See, I didn't come in fast enough. Rule number one is do not talk to a celebrity about the thing that they are known most for. Because every fan does that. Because that's what every fan does. And you're trying to establish yourself, it's not, I'm not a fan, I'm like you, bro.

I'm a peer. So the question is, You were on my show. What are you working on now? That's the question. And then the second thing, That's what they wanna talk about. The second thing that happened is we were up there, Stevie? That's the question. And then the second thing that happened is we were up there, Stevie and I joined the conversation.

We're talking and about, I don't know, four minutes, four to five minutes into the conversation, I got the sense, I was like, we should exit this conversation. I can kinda tell that Joe's, he's being. I think the proper terminology would be let Joe go. Let Joe go because he's being gracious, he's got lots of people to talk to,

but I don't think that Link got that message and you continued to speak and continued to bring things up for another five minutes. Really like talking to Joe. Super gracious and so he wasn't gonna be the one to bail because he's such a nice guy but eventually. In the pecking order, you can't monopolize someone above you too much of their time.

He did bail eventually so the second rule is you need to exit the conversation first if you're below that person on the pecking order so that you don't seem like you're trying to monopolize their time. Yeah, sounds ugly, sounds gross but it is true but I was kinda riding high at that point. I was like, he remembered me.

It's like, hey, we had a fun conversation. There were laughs, maybe lasted a little long, didn't know that yet. And then I'm walking ahead of you guys again. I'm like, I'm trolling like a bass fisherman going through. And like, it's close quarters. And so like people are passing on the left and right and people are, a lot of people make eye contact

because they're looking for someone who's higher on the pecking order than them. Yep. People wanna see somebody famous. So I tried to have a look on my face that like I was famous. Yeah, famous face we call it. I had hair on my head that looked famous. We look like guys who are trying real hard.

I mean the suit that I had on. Your suit especially. Was trying so hard. My was so toned down. And I'm already so tall. I'm already like a beacon. It was like a checkerboard. I might as well have had a light on me

that was like I'm trying hard. Like a neon sign. I didn't have that but I had the look on my face. And as I walked by this couple, the guy caught my eye and I turned and I looked at him at point blank range. Like, I could probably put my thumb on my nose and then reach my pinky out and put it on his nose. Right, that's pretty close.

Like that's pretty close. And then I was like, I recognize this guy. I know exactly who this guy is. And I was like, Greg! And let me just say that his name was not Greg. That's not what I knew about him apparently. I didn't know his name. But then I followed up with me and I was like,

I could tell by the look on his face that his name was not Greg. But why Greg? I thought he looked like a Greg. But that's not how you begin conversations. You don't look at people and imagine what their names might be and then just say it. I knew him.

That never should be the case. So then I was like, okay, your name's not Greg but I do know who you are. You are the rock climber. It was Alex Honnold. And he was like, I was like, so I'm sorry, just my name's Link, what's your name? He said Alex, I'm like, yes.

Your name is Alex, you climb rock formations. So this is when Link told him what he did. With no harnesses. You are a freak of nature. I didn't say that, but I was thinking, your brain, your body, your everything is a freak of nature. He climbs like El Capitan at Yosemite

just in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt. Now I saw you. And a cell phone. I saw you starting this conversation and I was like, this is a good conversation like because this is. Not too famous. This isn't somebody that everybody's gonna know about. This guy, he's a climber. I follow him on Instagram.

I think he's absolutely amazing. I do know that his name is Alex, not Greg. So do I, yeah. You know now. And so when I saw you talking to him, I was like this is great, go up. I have points of reference about who he is. I follow him on Instagram.

And so, and again. I introduced you, I remembered your name and Stevie's name. Super nice guy. Very gracious. And didn't act like he didn't have time for us at all. He was, in fact, he made. I made fun of myself.

I knew that like. You got out of it, you got out of it. It's not like you completely embarrassed yourself like later in the night. We fully recovered. Right, and he's super nice and he also talked about how sure he'd, you know, if he could be on the show at some point, we were like yeah, there'd be, you know,

where there was a picture of us holding up on Instagram, we held up our hands because his hands are like so like meaty, the kind of hands that you need to climb the faces of mountains in just a pair of shorts. We were fascinated by it. Super nice guy, also his girlfriend, super nice. Super nice, I called her Ashanti. Yeah.

That was not her name. That was not her name. But by then it was a joke. So my pet names for them at that point became Greg and Ashanti. Greg and Ashanti. And they got a real big kick out of that one. I brought it back at the close of when we were saying goodbye. After probably talking to them for way too long as well. Definitely.

Yeah. But you also talked to them, you talked to them more than I did. But you gotta be in agreement. I can't be like, all right Link, let's go. I mean, you were so zoned in. What am I gonna do, pinch you like a child on the arm? I'm not gonna do that.

We could work something out, yeah. Well what we did is right after that, I told you, I was like, you gotta get out of these conversations earlier. And this is before we established the rules about the pecking order. Look at that guy in the checkerboard suit just giving that other guy the third degree.

I was like, you're taking these conversations too long and it's because. I was having a blast. But no, and to clarify, because I know how the dynamic of this whole thing works, the comment's gonna be like why is Rhett picking on Link the way that he wants to do the party? I think that you also need to take some responsibility.

Yeah I do. You agree with this. I agree that there's a lesson that. It became an inconvenience for the people that you were talking with. Yes. That's's a lesson that. It became an inconvenience for the people that you were talking with. Yes. That's what I'm saying. You became an inconvenience to those people and you don't want to be an inconvenience to those people

in the same way that we wouldn't want somebody to do that to us. But again, at this point, no one was like, everybody was super nice. It wasn't like we were ruining relationships or anything like that. He may be on the show, it's still great. I wasn't mad.

Did you notice his eyes? His eyes were deep dark pools. He's got the eye of the tiger, man. It's like you could tell that there was something that you normally see in people's eyes that was not in his eyes. No fear. That allowed him to climb a mountain with nothing.

Not a hint of fear. This man could, no matter what could have happened, no matter who would have come in there, this man cannot be afraid. At one point I asked him, I was like, they've analyzed your brain, right? Because I knew there was a documentary. He was there because there was a documentary about him.

That was at regular theaters. Yeah, okay, so then. I'm still flying pretty high at this point in terms of confidence. We did have a little talk though after that. Yeah, yeah. Where I was like, you know, let's not spend so much time,

but still, at this point, to Link's credit, I still wasn't, I didn't say let's switch roles. I didn't say that. I didn't say let me start the conversations. I was like, no, you still be the one to start the conversations. Stevie and I will come in, we'll have a great conversation, we'll end in a good place.

And then we go to the. Let's just be a little quicker. And I'm like. More efficient. I'm like okay, you know, I'm teachable. Right. I'm open. The teachable moment. I wanna learn, I wanna make the best of this. So we go to the bar, we grab us a drink,

we actually got a drink. And then I turn around and I was like, that guy over there is talking to that girl that he obviously came with. He's like wearing a sweater. Yeah. He's got black hair. And dark brown.

Dark brown, curly hair. Beard. Beard. That guy is a rapper. That guy is Lil. Dark brown, curly hair. Beard. Beard. That guy is a rapper. That guy is Lil Dicky. Lil Dicky. Lil Dicky is a very, he's a hilarious rapper. This is me talking to you and Stevie.

I don't know if you knew him at the time. Of course I knew him. Okay. Skilled lyricist as well. Yeah, familiar with his work and a fan. So I'm like, I'm gonna talk to him. And also, still, we're not at like places that we will eventually get in terms of like

names that everyone will know, which is where this conversation is going. He's not in ubiquity. So I'm like, I'm gonna go talk to Lil Dicky. And I guess since I went ahead, I should tell what happened before he got there. I would love to hear you tell that. Just jump in when you remember when you showed up.

Let's see, how did this go? I go up to him and I'm like, hey, how's it going? No, no, you said. What did I say? Because you told me this. I've told you, I just can't remember exactly what I said. I would like to introduce myself.

Hey man, I'd like to introduce myself. I'm Link and then it was kind of loud, there was music playing, I was shaking his hand, I put my head down to put my ear towards his mouth to hear his response and he said, hey man, I'm, and he said. He said a name. He said a name. Right.

And then I looked up and again, I was just as close, I coulda did the thumb pinky touch with his nose. You can't tell what you were thinking though because that ruins the punchline. I said, I thought you were Lil Dicky. And then he said, I am. I am. And I said, well, I know.

He was like, that's not my real name. And then he proceeded to say. He said, Jay-Z. He brought up Jay-Z. that's not my real name. And then he proceeded to say. He said Jay-Z, he brought up Jay-Z. I was there by this point. He said Jay-Z's name is not Jay-Z. Right. And I was like well I know that, I was just, yeah I mean I understand that's not your name

but I just didn't know if it was you. Because here's what happened. It wasn't that I thought his name was Lil Dicky, and he was gonna introduce himself that way. It's that when I got that close to Lil Dicky for the very first time in my life, and like I'm looking up and I could've, you know, I could've kissed him on the nose.

When I was that close, I immediately was overwhelmed with the thought, this is not Lil Dicky. This is just some guy. Oh gosh. Some guy that looks a lot like Lil Dicky at the GQ party. But again, when you get that close to somebody, you can see the pores in their skin. You've never seen that.

You start to, they look a little, Lil Dicky in 4K. They look a little more real than any other way they've been presented on any screen. And so at that moment I was just thinking, I don't want to have a conversation with this guy thinking he's Lil Dicky but it turns out he's not. I don't wanna invest that amount of time

because that's gonna get awkward. So instead of making this awkward, having an awkward conversation as if I think he's a rapper that he's not, I don't wanna invest that amount of time because that's gonna get awkward. So instead of making this awkward, having an awkward conversation as if I think he's a rapper that he's not, I'm just gonna say. I'm gonna make it more awkward than I ever could possibly other than that first scenario. I'm just gonna say I thought you were Lil Dicky, I am. Which you realized that in avoiding awkwardness

you stepped into one of the most awkward conversations you had, probably the most awkward conversation you had that night. At my time on the planet. And. Because it didn't end there. Because then I was like trying, I was like, oh here's my friends Rhett and Stevie

and hopefully they can help rescue me from this awkward moment I've created. Again, I thought, I'll just acknowledge that I've done this and then at that point he turned to me and he said, you're doing great. Which, side note, if you ever hear that in a conversation, it doesn't mean you're doing great. And I'm not, I'm just saying what happened.

I'm not trying to paint little Dicky as a little Dicky. Or a big Dicky. Here's the deal, I'll say that I actually think he is a very nice guy. I think he was trying his best. I think he was trying to make it funny because what was happening was so awkward, I think he was just trying to make it funny.

And you know what? Me too. It was very funny. It was funny and you know what? He deserves no hate for that response because I don't think he was being mean, I think he was trying to play it off. Yeah he was. And it was funny from his perspective.

But we talked about, but okay, so I don't know, there's a lot of lessons learned in this situation. I mean obviously. Well it got worse after that because I was talking to him, I was like, you talked to him a little bit and like, you and Stevie were kind of embarrassed for me and I get that and then I was like,

hey man, your songs are hilarious. Like they actually played one of them in my gym. Forgot about this. Like they were playing one in the gym and I was just like busting out laughing and I was like. You were violating that other rule again. Yeah I talked about. You were talking about your personal touch,

your very personal touch point. I was fanboying over his song and then I was like, I was like yeah man, I'm in there laughing, I'm like you're helping me get fit, like this and then I pointed at my body and I'm like this is for you. Yeah. And I was like no, I don't mean this is for you,

I meant this is because of you. Like me being this fit is because I was just trying to make a joke that they played your song in my gym. Here's the thing. But this is for you if you want it. At this point, Lil Dicky should have said, you know what, I'm not Lil Dicky. That's actually what he should have said

because it would have ended the conversation. And it's interesting because, do you remember, a guy came over my left shoulder and said, hey man, and he leaned into his ear and he was like, I really blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and then little Dicky was like, thanks man, and then the guy walked off and then I said to him, I was like, now that's what I should have done.

I told him that. Yeah. But there was no recovery, I was like a puddle. Well okay, but there's a couple things, okay, because we gotta get to more stuff. There's better stories than this, believe it or not. That's it, I'm done. The first thing that I said is.

I'm still a fan. I don't think that you should say, I would like to introduce myself, my name is Link. Because I think that you should just, and not like to introduce myself, my name is Link because I think that you should just, and not saying you shouldn't introduce yourself, but you began the conversation in a way that was like, I know that you have no idea who I am and I'm just coming at you from this, I'm just a fan,

versus just like, hey, I'm Link. You could have just said, hey, I'm Link. Give them a little bit, a sliver of doubt that they might know who you are or have worked with you before or should know who you are. I personally like to go with good to see you because that's not untrue. Not again, but just good to see you.

Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. And then you say I'm Rhett. You can't do both of those. I'm reading, I'm reading the situation. But in these situations I came in so late that it was just, it was. Well that wasn't the plan. And then I'm reading, I'm reading the situation. But in these situations, I came in so late that it was just, it was. Well that wasn't the plan.

And then it was just, we were just talking about what you had talked about. So, and again, you already know the whole thing about like, if you think somebody's that person, then just go with it until you find another way out of the conversation other than suddenly doubting in the middle of the conversation. Jay-Z's name is not Jay-Z.

So after that happened, we began to talk about how what we had done is we had created an incredible ear biscuit. It was like the stories that were being generated by your interactions with people were so entertaining to me that I was just having a great time being, Stevie and I both, being blown away at how south the conversations were going. Well we talked to Bo Burnham after that

and that was a great conversation. It was. Because we reminisced about the first time we met in 2008. Yeah, YouTube Live. Had a good little conversation. Saw him later, made eye contact, and then we went different directions because we had already had our conversation.

Right. But then we're rolling around the party and one of the things, this is another sort of principle that you see in these industry parties, is that the recognizable faces begin to thin out very quickly, right? After, I don't know, if the party starts at nine o'clock, well then by like 10.30 at the latest, anybody that you would recognize

as a celebrity, they're gone. And now it's just the industry people who just wanna have a party who are there. And so again. They got in their one picture and they're out. Again, we do not see ourselves as celebrities. We're at the party to kind of establish ourselves in that way, but that's not how we think about ourselves

and so we have to have this thing where it's like it kicks in and we're like, ah, you know what? Everybody else who's supposed to be famous has left so we should probably leave too. Like it's literally that level of reasoning. It's not cool in any way. Let's get one more drink or let's get some more of that food. I want another one of those cake pops.

You know me, I'm going for the food. And as we're contemplating that, there's like a line of people and I turn around, I look over my shoulder, Michael B. Jordan is walking by. And I'm like, without, I'm like, he's in motion. He's going towards the exit. This is, if I'm gonna meet Michael B. Jordan or if you're gonna meet him, this is the moment.

So I wheeled around and I was like, hey, I'd like to introduce myself, I'm Link. Hadn't gotten over that yet. He's like, hey man. He never stopped by the way, I watched this happen. And he never stopped moving. Which is smart. As I rotated, trying to follow Michael B. Jordan,

muscular dude, shorter than me though, and he said, he was like, I was like, congratulations on everything. Yeah, that wasn't bad, that was pretty good. It's a good line. You know, and then he kept moving and then as I turned back around to look at you guys, I got hit in the shoulder by a guy.

Bodyguard number one. Who was following Michael B. Jordan and then as I continued to turn around, I got hit in the shoulder by another guy's shoulder. And then if my memory serves me correctly. I saw it happen four times. There was at least two more guys. I saw you get hit four times.

Who felt the need to make physical contact with my shoulder just to let me know, hey dude, you just talked to my employer as he was exiting and I just want my presence to be felt and that happened four times in rapid succession. It didn't hurt, it wasn't aggressive, it wasn't physical. It was just kind of establishing the way.

I'm not gonna press any charges. The way things work. It's just the way things work. Yeah, he had some bodyguards. I don't think anybody else there had bodyguards. But then, right before we leave, we're like, we gotta make one last, is there a section of the party that we missed?

Because again, we're looking. Let's make one more round. I mean, I'm looking at the previous year's pictures from this party and Rihanna was there. And of course, I'm thinking, well if I meet, how am I, if I meet Rihanna, I gotta talk to her about how, you know, I have a crush on you on the internet. I think you might would have had to introduce yourself.

Yeah, I would have said, I would like to introduce myself and I wouldn't have cared how it went. But so we're thinking we're gonna meet somebody like that and so we take one last little stroll and there's this little area outside that we hadn't seen yet and it was, I think it was like the smoking section. It was a porch.

Stevie was like oh there's a porch out there and then she like grabs her arm and she was like it's not a secret section. It's been the smoking section all along. All the coolest celebrities are in the smoking section which don't smoke, celebrities. It's not good for you. But I mean. So not everybody was smoking in the smoking section. It don't smoke, celebrities. It's not good for you. But, and I mean.

So not everybody was smoking in the smoking section. It was just, it's what it was. It was small and we walked out there and of course it's dwindling by this point and I didn't see anybody and we're standing out there and then all of a sudden. John Mayer. John Mayer.

John Mayer. Now. We're 40 year old white guys. I think it's important. We like John Mayer. I think it's important. We're 40 year old white guys, so we like John Mayer. I think it's important for me to tell this one from my perspective. Are there people who don't, there are people who like hate John Mayer,

so if we're talking about how we like gushing over John Mayer, they'd be like, what, you're in poor taste or something, I don't know. Okay, let's just set the record straight about John Mayer. His most recent albums when he went a little bit country, that is his best work. If you disagree with that, you are wrong. He's an incredible musician, he's an incredible songwriter,

he's an incredible lyricist, he's an incredible guitar player, like virtuoso guitar player. Now he may have made some weird personal choices and statements in the past and I'm not defending that and I'm not even referencing that but he is an incredible musician and we both love his music and so this was an important moment for us when we saw John Mayer.

So we're standing, you know, I could probably throw a rock hard enough to kill him from that distance. I don't know, I'm just trying to, I don't wanna do that. I'm just trying to say distance. You like to paint the physical space picture. I was close enough that if I was talking to him and had my finger on my nose. If I had a rock about the size of a fist,

I could probably kill him with it. But based on the way that you had behaved throughout the night, at this point, I wasn't even having to do it. Stevie was in charge at this point. And she said, you cannot talk to him. You cannot talk to John Mayer, okay? So and we were.

And I'm like, you know what? You know, you're right, I'm not gonna talk to him. And he was standing next to, the three of us were in our little group and he was in a group of like two or three people talking to them. Yeah. And we're close enough to kill him with a rock.

And at that point, we're saying, Link, you can't talk to him because it's just gonna be super awkward, but then he begins to leave and that exit involves walking past us. Walking behind me. And actually closest to you. So you did the Michael B. Jordan move and you turned. Well, yeah, and I've been saying,

I'm not gonna, I'll play nice, I'm not gonna, we'll wait for another opportunity. There'll be another time to meet John Mayer, I'm not gonna, I gotta gather myself, there'll be another party. But then when he started exiting and he was right behind me, I was like, ah, psych, I gotta meet him.

And so I wheeled around. And you said, hey John, what was your middle statement? Because it's your last statement that's, you were like congrats? I think I was like big fan. You said something that wasn't as specific as big fan and I've told this story to a bunch of people and I can't, but the last part was.

And then he didn't stop walking. He didn't stop. He was like hey man, yeah thanks. But he was exiting. But you said, I love you. Yeah I did. I said, I told him that I loved him. But you didn't intend that.

No. You could tell by the way you started. It was like, I love you. It changed into I love you. Right, I love, well he was walking away so fast. No no, you said, hey John, nice work, I love you. Yeah that was it. That is exactly what you said to John Mayer.

Hey John, nice work. He said thanks man, thanks, he kept walking. I'm like, I love you. And then he was gone. But from my perspective, from like inside of my brain, which you know, you should buy a ticket. It's worth the wait. I think I was gonna say something like,

I love your work. That could have worked. But he was gone, so it was just, I love your. No, you said I love you. You're trying to save it. You said I love you. You're trying, you're trying. I was facing him not you. You're trying to save it. You said I love you. But you know what, I do love him. And that's great.

And you know what, John doesn't care. He doesn't remember you. No, it wasn't a memorable exchange. Now Lil Dicky I think might remember me. Yeah he probably does. I feel the need to take a moment to speak directly to. He's probably told that story. What is his name?

His name is David. Dave. David Byrd. He introduced himself as Dave. Dave, I know your name's not Lil Dicky. I know that I put you in an awkward position and I even know that in telling our story that it might paint you as the bad guy

but I wanna go on record and say that you did the best you could. You even brought some humor into it, which I fully appreciate. I'm still a fan, you didn't do anything wrong. So you have no need to apologize and no need for me to let you off the hook even though I'm doing it. I look forward to seeing you again

where we can have a normal conversation and let's just go from there, can we start over? Can I have a do over? Sure. Thanks Dave. Now so. And John, just have a moment with you. He's not watching.

I love you. There's not a chance. That's it, that's all I wanted to say to you. So on the way home that night, we started kind of establishing. John's got a big noggin. Well all the greats do. All the greats do, all the great songwriters.

Up close like that? Big heads. His head's like twice as big as yours. No it's not twice as big, I mean it's probably 20% bigger. Yeah. In a good way. As we discuss the rules,

we've kind of been through a few of them. You know, get out of the conversation earlier. Don't talk about the thing that they're known for. Talk about something tangential or just ask what are you working on now. Don't assume that they don't know who you are. Just talk to them like you're picking up a conversation. Don't tell them you love them.

Don't be a fanboy. And there's a certain level of celebrity, and I think Michael B. Jordan and John Mayer both fit this bill, that there's just really no circumstances that you should talk to them. There's very few, I think there's very few. I can't accept that. There's very few ends to that conversation

going the way that you would want. I think it's typically gonna be, you're gonna be talking to somebody who then has a connection or something like that. Now, you're gonna get more of a thrill and you're gonna get better stories. I think Mamrie Hart met Reese Witherspoon at a party and they're like best friends now.

She's so much better with people. Well, that's for sure. I think we need to hire her to consult me. But. I'm just gonna go to parties with Mamrie. But again. Course I kinda need to be invited. Again I am, I'm grateful.

I'm grateful that you took the initiative. I'm grateful that we have these stories. These stories are probably in one sense more strategic and of more value than the relationship that we could have had with those people. That's right. That we will never have with those people now. But you know what?

Alex Honnold might be on the show at some point. Don't forget, we talked to Terry Crews. He knew who we are and he gave us a motivational speech that same night. And let me say, I initiated the talked to Terry Crews, he knew who we are and he gave us a motivational speech that same night. And let me say, I initiated the conversation with Terry Crews. That's because we had seen him the night before. No, no, and that's what I'm saying.

I'm outlining the differences. And I'm not saying, I think that in this setting, I talked to Terry. You're better at these things. So what I'm saying is that I will talk to anybody if I've got something, if I've got a point of contact. And so we had seen him at the, and he's, by the way, we talked about this before,

nicest guy on the planet. Terry Crews, nicest guy on the planet. Right. And actually, he and his son watched the show. It was incredible. But we took these rules and we said the next time we go to a party, we're going to apply some of these rules. And so we got invited to the

HBO Golden Globes after party. And I was coming back from, first of all, we were told, I think you probably, you didn't have to have a tux, but like, it was technically black tie. We didn't have tuxes. I was in Mexico at the time, and I was gonna have to get back,

get fitted for a tux because the rest of them don't wear something off their rack because they don't make things that fit me, okay? So I have to get things fitted. I have to get things tailored if they're gonna look halfway decent. And so I was gonna have to get off the plane, come here to the office, get fitted for a tux,

and then immediately get into a car and go to this party, which is what happened. And I was actually a little bit late because there was a flight delay. So we're going down and apparently all the parties after the Golden Globes are at the hotel, the Beverly Hilton where the Golden Globes are held. And they're all in these little areas,

so you got Netflix and Amazon and Hulu or whatever and HBO. So there's like six parties, like big significant parties and they're all in the same place. And so because the traffic would be so crazy to this little hotel, they have a shuttle service. Yeah. Where you meet offsite at like a parking area and you get into these shuttles.

Yeah and we were told to Uber to the location of the shuttles, then the shuttle will take you to the party and then bring your ID so you can, you know. Because there's a list. There's a list. Right. So we get to the shuttle area and we see just a bunch of shuttles lined up and we go to the first one and it's closed and it's full.

We go to the second one, it's closed and it's full. We go to the third one, the door's open. What do we do? We go on the shuttle. Oh yeah, go up in the shuttle. And lo and behold, the shuttle's full except for two seats. Oh, car. How many of us are there?

Two. Two. Perfect math. Just the two of us. So we just, ha, car. How many of us are there? Two. Two, perfect math. Just the two of us. So we sat down. We sit down and then we begin to have a conversation with a woman who's sitting next to us. And this conversation concerns me a little bit, as the one who tends to worry a little bit more

and try to figure out if we're doing the right thing. Yeah, I was feeling great. You were just like, we're on the shuttle. We're on the shuttle, it's great. And I was like, but something doesn't seem right about this because we didn't talk to anybody, we just got on the shuttle and then we talked and the woman was not going to the HBO party.

And she was, I think she was already under the influence of something. Okay. You know, there was something going on there because it was not a clear communication from her. And basically I didn't want to seem uncool, but I was just like, is this going to the HBO party? And she was like, well, it goes to all the parties.

And then I'm like, what do you mean? Is it like we're gonna be dropped off at different parties? We didn't know that all the parties were at the same place. We knew nothing. I'm beginning to think we should get off of the shuttle and go and like tell people, hey, we don, hey, we wanna go to the HBO party. We don't belong here is what it sounded like to me so I'm like nope, staying put on the shuttle.

I'm not gonna admit defeat in front of everybody on this shuttle by having a walk of shame. Stay tuned to what actually happens. Walk of shame, and then the shuttle starts moving so we don't have, we're like arguing with each other under our breath and I'm like trying to calm Rhett down, like, and then it's like, well the shuttle's moving, there's nothing we can do now.

We finally get over there to the Beverly Hilton. Which was like half a mile away, it wasn't even that far. They let us off and then they're like, lot of security people on the red carpet there, wristbands, wristbands, I'm like wristbands. I ain't heard nothing about no wristbands. And everyone on the shuttle has a wristband except you know who?

The two guys who just walked onto the shuttle randomly because apparently there was a whole thing at the parking place where you had to get checked in and get your wristbands so you could get into the hotel. There were no signs, there was no orientation. In our defense, no one told us this. And there was other people who were like, oh, we Ubered directly here

because I didn't want to get on that shuttle and I don't have a wristband either. So then this woman's like taking down names and she's with HBO and she's like going to get wristbands. Okay, now at this point, talk about being a little bit embarrassed if you're talking about trying to save face for the shuttle, what ended up happening is everyone's getting off these shuttles and just walking straight

past security and you and I and some real estate people. Yeah. They said that they were real estate, are all standing out there, obviously. Like fans. Yeah, not able to get in. And we look like two guys that just dressed up and walked and were just hoping we could slide by security

like the Grammy video we did years ago. Because that does happen. There are people lurking and trying to look like they belong and just get in. Jeff Bridges was leaving. All kinds of people were coming and going. All kinds of very recognizable actors. My favorite actor.

Steven Root walked behind you. I know and then you didn't tell me until he was already gone. Because I didn't want you, and you should thank me for this, I didn't want you to meet your favorite character actor, Steven Root. On the outside of a party where it seems like.

Without a wristband. Yeah. You didn't wanna a wristband. Yeah. You didn't wanna do that either. Nope. So thank me. I'm not ready to do that. Okay. Because he wasn't in the party, Rhett. He wasn't in our party.

Yeah but he would've been like, you come in and you would've been like, as soon as I get a wristband, he'd be like, oh he's one of those guys, right? Mm-hmm. Well but we may have ended up faring better than if we hadn't have gotten on the shuttle. I think we did.

Because it did take about 30 minutes of, I was kind of frantically texting our PR people because I thought that we were not gonna get in at that point, we were gonna have to go back to home base and it was gonna set us back forever. But eventually we did get, somebody came out and gave us wristbands and then we were able to check in.

It did take about 30 minutes and a lot of people walking by but we have reason to believe that if we had of gone all the way to the back of the line and checked in the right way, we probably would have gotten to the party at like an hour and a half later. It was ridiculous how late this thing was. But then we go in.

So we got in earlier. But we got in and this party was different. It was bigger. You could get plates full of food at this party and there were seats. There were like tables, like round tables. It was much more laid back. It was more like a dinner party.

Well not a dinner party but a party where you could eat dinner. Yeah, yeah, a party where you could eat dinner. Yeah, yeah, a party where you could eat dinner. But not a dinner party where everybody's seated and someone gives a speech, that's not it. But I would say the percentage of. Really famous people was. Lower percentage of really famous people,

but a lot of just like, I know that guy from that movie, I know that guy from that show, but I don't know his name and you probably wouldn't either, but you'd recognize him. It was like a lot of those people and then a lot of industry people and it was a much larger party. But I mean. In terms of space and in terms of attendance.

We had some good conversations with people who, again, it's good to have industry conversations, meet producers and all this type of stuff. So it's like, and a number of those people talked to us because they knew who we were. Sometimes because their kids know who we were, but hey, that's a good end. I'll take it any way I can get it.

And we also, well, we had a couple of people that we wanted to talk to, right? It was a HBO party, so we thought that Mark and Jay Duplass would be there, right? We both finished reading their book. Yep. Fans of theirs, we think. I'd like to have a conversation with them.

We'd like to talk to those guys, right, because we just think that. Just relate to their relationship. Similar backgrounds and similar philosophies, but they weren't there as far as, they could have been there and maybe we missed them. But we didn't see them, so because I was trying to, and maybe I pushed it too far in my direction,

which I was like, let's talk to people that we've got a reason to talk to. That doesn't mean we have to know them, but like, let's initiate a conversation and there's like an in, like with those guys, it would have been like, hey, we just read your book. And first of all, that would mean something to them because we're not talking about room 104

or whatever everybody else is talking about. We're talking about this thing that like. Oh. Pet project. You guys like the book. Yeah, we just listened to it. Here's all these parallels that are really interesting between us and you guys. You were prepped for that.

I was ready for that conversation. But that didn't happen. We saw Pete Holmes, who had been on Good Mythical Morning. Let's call him a friend of the show. Friend of the show, and had a conversation, met his wife for the first time, had a great conversation with Pete. He actually said basically the same thing as like,

it took us forever to get into this party, and I'm glad I ran into you guys because having a conversation that I wanna be in is actually makes it worth it. That felt great, you know, because he's thinking the same thing. He's got a show on HBO and he's thinking the same thing. Like who am I gonna talk to at this thing?

But let's not make it out to be like we have to have certain types of interactions at a party to feel good about ourselves because earlier you established we don't need that. Well, but I'm not the one that tries, well, then what is your goal in all the conversations that you try to initiate? You're just trying to have a good time?

Move and shake. I mean there is a business to this but it's not, it's what, I don't need to feel good about myself. And I don't think you do either but I'm just saying that it sounded like it in that moment where it's like, oh it felt good for somebody to say they wanted to talk to us and it did feel good. But it's just a weird, it's a weird environment

where like, and maybe this is kinda true of LA in general, is that it's people trying to get themselves noticed or get their project accomplished or to make their way. And so it's, you know, industry parties are industry parties. They're to work. You know, it's not like a friend party, like you said, where like, yeah, you may,

there may be a bunch of celebrities at a party and boy, wouldn't that be interesting but they're there because they're friends. Like, that's not an industry party. Well because I mean with the. Gotta get something done. Well because one of the things that we're thinking about just strategically, creatively,

I don't know, one of the things that we've learned is getting really qualified people to help you make things and to make things happen is, that's what we want to do, right? I mean that's the reason that we're doing what we do today is because at some point we figured out, oh you know what really works is getting people who can do things better than we can to do those things.

And that's why we have a team now. But the same thing applies to, well who are you gonna work with? Who are you gonna collaborate with on this project? Who's gonna help write it, produce it? Who's gonna act in it? That kind of thing and things that we wanna do. And so you want to have those connections

so that when you say here's the idea, will you help make it happen? Would you like to be in it to an actor or whatever? It's like, oh yeah, yeah, I do because either I saw you at that party and I saw you guys on the red carpet and then I looked, you know, these little touch points matter if you wanna play that game.

But it's all unspoken. I don't think, well maybe there is a booklet or something but, and maybe I could've saved a lot of heartache and sidestepped a fun podcast though by reading it. I don't think that any damage has been done. No. Let me just clarify that. I didn't say they had been.

I think that even in the most, even the most embarrassing interaction that you had with Mr. David Byrne, Lil Dicky is what they call him, he has a rap name. I call him Dave. Even that conversation, the chances of us working with Lil Dicky actually went up because of the interaction.

Now, there are interactions where the chances would have gone down, right? The chances would have gone down. They were really, they were at a tipping point, they were right there in a real gray area for a second there. Yeah. Glad it didn't have a rock. Right. John Mayer.

That would have been horrible. But I think ultimately, I do think that the most important thing, I don't wanna overemphasize the principles and the like rules and stuff like that, because I think that, I do think that the most important thing is just beginning the conversation. But I do think that we now know how to be a tad more strategic.

I think that there were no mishaps at the Golden Globe party except for the shuttle thing which I think ended up being great. We got there earlier. So I don't think I have any demerits. No lessons learned at Golden Globes. At the HBO party. Yeah, I can't think of any lessons learned

at the Golden Globes party. And I got a tux out of it. Well, I mean, I bought it. Well, I'll tell you one lesson we learned. We actually applied it. After you go through the red carpet and get your pictures taken by the professional photographers,

you go back to the red carpet at the end of the night and there will be people taking their pictures with their iPhones. Yeah. You get one of them to take a picture of you with your phone. Yeah. And that will allow you to have a picture

on your camera roll that isn't, you don't have to wait til the next day to get some Getty image or something like that. That's right. So like the picture that we posted was just a picture from the phone. That's a little hack. That's a little insider tip.

There it is. So we're gonna get, so now next time we post photos from the next thing we go to, you're gonna be thinking, man, that's a lot more complicated than I thought it was. Lots of ins and outs. Yeah. So thanks for hanging out with us.

Thanks for learning along with us because I mean let's be clear, we both learned a lot. Right? I learned so much watching you, so much. Yeah, I'm a teacher, man. I'm a teacher in action. Right. What not to do. You teach by example.

You teach by bad example. It is a form of teaching. I admit it. It is fun, I'm enjoying myself and Steven Root, I'm coming for you. Oh gosh.