Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 179: Should Link Get Back on Instagram? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 179

Episode Date: February 4, 2019

After 5 years of being inactive, Link is finally considering getting back on Instagram. After listing his many problems with the platform, will Link heed Rhett's advice and recommendations and make his grand return? Find out on this week's episode of Ear Biscuits!  Sponsored by: Baked by Melissa: Visit BakedByMelissa.com/EAR to get 15% off your next order!Article: Visit Article.com/EAR to get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more!Honey: Visit JoinHoney.com/EAR to add Honey for FREE and get the best price automatically!  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I'm Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we're asking the question, well, I'm asking the question, should I get back on Instagram? Should I finally? You're still asking that question? Get back on Instagram. I've been asking this question for a number of years

and I just thought this would be a great forum to finally make a decision because I've been thinking about Instagram a lot more lately. It hasn't lost steam. You know? Oh, you think it might be here to stay? You know the background and I've asked you to get into it but just how many years have I been off Instagram?

About six. Gosh, it's been six years since I've been on Instagram and it's still happening. I got family, friends, general loved ones who are Instagramming it up. I mean, I'm a digital creator, for goodness sakes. I just feel embarrassed that I'm not on Instagram. So I've been thinking about it at a higher frequency and I also think like end of last year,

beginning of this year, it's one of those like, maybe the new year is the time for me to think about Instagramming again, I don't know. So I'm just saying, I've been thinking about it and Rhett, I just wanna ask you, just to help me think this through so we don't have to have another discussion about it. Maybe at the end of this, the answer's no,

shut up about it and just give up even thinking about it. Barbara, get out of the trash. You know, your dog sits. I love how you yelled into the mic for Barbara to get out of the trash because she's got headphones on. She don't have the trash because she can't hear you better. Well here's the thing, your dog sits nicely in your lap. My dog is just exploring the territory around here.

I'm just hoping that she'll learn everything she wants to and sit down. They've had a big day just hanging out in our office. They had their hopes up that it would be really exciting hanging out at work together and they realized, oh it's kind of boring. It's like our kids have done. Here's my perspective on this.

Just sort of the beginning of my perspective. And can you say something to them if like they could care less about me getting on Instagram. That's what my perspective is going to encompass. Great, because I feel the need for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In one sense, I would say, this isn't like you're deciding to start a side gig.

This isn't like you're talking about doing something that is going to, in any real, significant, tangible way, alter your lifestyle or the lifestyle of anyone that you come in close contact with. You're talking about activating, not even beginning for the first time, but activating a social media platform that the majority of people in the Western world

probably already are on. Mm-hmm. And. I disagree with a lot of what you've already said. Okay. And I'm prepared to explain it later, but keep going. So what I'm saying is, I think that is sort of,

that's the perspective that I bring to this. Okay. Is that it really isn't a big deal. Just post a photo or don't. Just come back but at the same time, you know what? We talk about it for an hour, we can get an episode of Ear Biscuits. I've thought a lot about this.

I have lots of hopes, fears, concerns. There's a lot wrapped up in this for me and I just need to process it. But I also think that it's not just about me, it might also be about you or about loved ones of yours. And they're. You're talking to me or you're talking to them? I'm talking to them.

Oh. And what's your relationship with social media and specifically, what are the, with social media and specifically, what are the, does Instagram represent a threat to your personal well-being? I think that's a component of this. And like I said. I have thoughts about that as well.

All right, well. For how it would relate to you. We can get into that. But do you want me to kind of give it a little background? Please do, please kind of bring me and everybody else up to speed on where we last left me. Did that come out right? Where we left me last on Instagram.

Well just for, I'm gonna give some full context here. Okay. I know it's a little strange that I'm using a laptop to access an Instagram account, but I have multiple tabs open because I wanted to explore this in detail. All right. So it does make sense in my own brain.

Now, Link, you posted your first, or at least the first picture that is on your feed. I'm assuming, does this strike you as the first picture? This is my first picture, yeah. Because some people start earlier and then they go back and delete. You didn't do that. I haven't done that.

Now I've done some deleting of other things which I'll get to later. You posted on July 25th, 2013. Wow, 2013. So five and a half years ago, not quite six years ago. This is when I joined. This is your first post ever. I remember this day, we were shooting,

was this YouTube Rewind? YouTube Rewind, yeah, for the Anaconda music video. Hold on, but why did you shoot that, why did you post that in July 25th? Was this like you accessed this from your? I might have posted it when Rewind came out or, I don't know. Rewind doesn't come out in the middle of the summer.

July. I don't know. I thought you said January. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe we were shooting it that early. Are you sure this was Rewind? I think we went to, it was a YouTube set that was built for people to shoot different types of things for their channels

and so I was wrong about that. This is just a jungle set built at the YouTube space and we happened to be there for another reason. Here's what I'll say, this is a great start. This was a great start to your Instagram career. I'm holding a club and my caption is. We be clubbing. I mean it's got a built-in joke,

you know, some tongue-in-cheek punny humor. Interesting location. The club is well framed in the foreground. You took the photo so don't. Oh yeah, Rhett really framed the photo very well and focused on the club which was, you know, brings all the attention to the club which is the butt of the joke.

Keep in mind the listeners can't see this, so let's not dwell too much on the picture itself. Oh okay, well no, I'm trying to let you picture it in your own mind. Okay. Now, just for comparison's sake, and I'm the control group, I'm the guy who is still on Instagram.

Yeah. Okay? You got a club picture? I started Instagram two and a half years before you did, interestingly. Really? November 10th, 2011. Well that's not two and a half years. That's a year and a half or almost. Barbara's now yelping, she's whining.

Barbara, just listen, just sit down. We're just having a conversation. Why is she staring at the door? She wants to leave, just lie down. Nobody's out there. She's ignoring you. She'd rather stare at a wall than be with you. We'll see how long that lasts.

We might have to get Jenna to come get her. I posted a picture, no caption. I came out of the gate not hot at all, no caption whatsoever. But a lot earlier than me. Okay. And had a wigged picture. Now I don't know exactly why at that point

when I made the decision to get on Instagram, you didn't. Because typically when we embark on things like this, we typically do them together. It was a new thing and I'm like, I don't wanna do another thing. Another thing that will probably fizzle out. I mean, there had been some things and they had just fizzled out.

I can't remember what they are. So it does take a little bit more from you to kinda get your mojo up to the place where you wanna actually participate. But I got a. I finally broke and I did it. And then you posted, let me get out of this. First of all, I just will comment that your next two photos

were faces of sculptures. Like one's a Lego sculpture and one is a series of baby dolls put together to make a lion? Pretty crazy. It's a mask made out of baby doll arms. I think that was at a museum or something. It was an amazing Medusa sculpture from your vacation in the Exploratorium in San Fran.

You actually shortened San Fran. You could have put SF, you probably would do that now. Oh, so a vacation pic. So, is she scratching the door now? My dog, she's like she's being held captive. Okay, and then, not, I mean, a handful of posts later, I mean, not more than 30 posts later, it was November 30th, so about two and a half years later,

no, no, no, no, it's the same year, it's 2013, what? Same year. What, it's November same year, it's 2013, what? Same year. What, it's November 30th, 2013. You didn't last a year? It was from July to November of the same year. It didn't even last a year. And interestingly, your last post.

From a mountaintop. It's like you're saying goodbye, you know what I'm saying? It's just like, it's not even a picture of you, it's just a picture of the sky, and it's just like you're like, I'm going into the ether. Yeah, and I got 32,000 likes on that thing. That's pretty good, right? You have 32,000 likes on that because it's your last post.

Oh. I mean, I'm not. How many followers do I have? I don't even know that. You currently have 476,000 followers. Almost half a million followers. How many do you have? Oh, thanks for asking.

First I gotta scroll through all my many posts. And the funny thing is I don't even post that often. I have one million. Whoa! You got a million followers. No that's what happens when you continue to participate. Oh but dag. I don't know the exact number because it just says 1M. I don't have a competitive bone in my body

so this is not resonating with me, I'm just like surprised. So you've doubled me but maybe I could get competitive and that could be something to motivate me. But I will say that just doing the math on this, that I've definitely put in more than twice the effort and I'm still only twice as many followers. Right. So you actually have done,

you were on for a year. I can look at you and tell. I mean, the difference. I've aged. Aged quite a bit. Your Instagramming habit has taken its toll, man. Look at me, look at how spry I look. This is the delta.

You have half a million more followers, but you gonna die a lot sooner than me if it comes to natural causes. Well, here's the thing. I have 416 posts, which is not a lot over a period of what we're going on, eight years. You had 51, oh 51 posts, okay. So 51, not too bad.

Pretty good. But yeah, that's where you left it. And we've talked a lot about you coming back and we've made a lot of fun of your final photo and we actually did a recurring, and by recurring I mean I think we did it twice, segment. We couldn't even keep doing that. On whatever season of Good Mythical Morning

when we started making all those videos, whatever that was. Yeah, we started making the segments. Already forgotten. People were hating on the segments and hating on that particular segment, which was like a tongue-in-cheek bit of like, hey, what picture is gonna bring me back on Instagram? What am I gonna post, because I'm gonna come back?

And then the segment went so poorly that I, I was just like, this is a sign to not get back on Instagram. And then I left it. And we were actually, at that time, we were just building towards you legitimately coming back. I thought I'd made a decision to come back and we were just gonna do that bit in order to do it, but it never happened and I just back pocketed it

and I suppressed it. and it's just been something that's just been lurking and lingering. Okay well, we're gonna come back in a second and we're going to get behind why this is such a, why it looms so large in your mind. Yeah. What's the psychology? I have a list of problems with Instagram that I'm gonna need you to address.

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or actually becoming or being self-important or braggy. It traps people into seeming like they're bragging or humble bragging. Part and parcel with any post on social media, not just Instagram I think. At its core, I just, there's this implied assumption, and I could be wrong about this, this is just how I feel about it, okay?

That an implied assumption that who I am or what I'm doing or the specifics of what I'm sharing, that people would be interested in it. You know, so it's, hey, look at me. I met a celebrity. I ate a cannoli. I am at a cool party. Isn't my baby or my dog cute?

Or. Yes, yes. She is actually. It just seems like you're sending a message that I think I'm good looking enough to assume that you would enjoy looking at a picture that I took of my own face. They call that a selfie. Yeah.

You know, so it's, there's this like self-consciousness that wells up at the moment I'm thinking about anything I'm gonna post. Well and it doesn't have to be a selfie, sometimes you can hire a professional photographer to take a picture of you in a striking fruit themed suit on the shores of Mexico. Now I ain't trying to pick on you,

I'm just talking about myself here and what goes through my mind. I'm proud of that, I'm proud of every photo. Especially proud of that one. But it's, I mean. Okay, I see what you're saying. And so. Isn't that the, isn't that the underlying,

like the core message of anything that you post is, I assume that you're interested in me or this thing that I'm posting. Well yeah, but I have a number, what your perspective is not wrong, because that is, especially for a lot of people, maybe the majority of people, sort of the subtext of Instagram.

Uh-huh. But you say this as someone who makes their living on YouTube. Yeah, there's some seeming irony in that, right? Seems like it's not adding up. Yeah, it seems like my job is hey, look at me! Look at every day, go to YouTube and look at my face along with your face and laugh at it.

Isn't what I'm doing funny? Isn't what I'm doing interesting? Look at me, look at me. Is it really, I assume that you want to look at what we've planned. Yeah. But it feels different because I feel like what we're saying with everything we create, Good Mythical Morning

is the top example, is I feel like the underlying message is I assume that you will enjoy what we've decided to make. Now it just happens to feature my face prominently, sometimes eating and gagging on things, I understand. I understand there is a slight on things. I understand that. I understand there is a slight distinction there. I get that. It's not look at me, it's be entertained

by what we've created or be entertained by me. Which leads to my second point, which is you can have an Instagram account that operates on a different principle. Lots of people do it. In fact, a number of the Instagram accounts that I'm going to recommend to you to follow, maybe all of them, are not personality based.

Okay, go ahead. So what I'm saying is that that's one way to see Instagram. Some people, you know, we talked about this before. I think I, and I don't know if I've held to this, but I established, I pulled it out of my butt, as I always do, some ratio that I thought was appropriate for selfies to pictures of things on Instagram. And I thought, I think I said something like 20%.

Now, everyone will tell you, every analytics person will tell you that pictures of your face are going to perform the best and get the most followers. So once you get into this place where you do wanna get more followers, everything sort of pushes you in the direction of taking pictures of yourself. But you don't have to do that.

You could take pictures of things. I mean your last picture is a picture of the sky in the mountains. You could just be the things. I mean your last picture is a picture of the sky in the mountains. You could just be the sky and mountains man. So I don't necessarily think that it has to be all about you but even if it is, the way that I see Instagram is, you know how like when you're in,

you're like in a hotel in the city, like you're in a hotel in New York. And if you're like me. Oh I've been in a hotel in New York, like you're in a hotel in New York. And if you're like me. Oh I've been in a hotel in New York. And you're in a high rise hotel. Oh high rising it. And you go to the window and you do what at night? Look out of it.

And what are you looking at? The city. You're looking at what? Streets. No there's a building across the street and there's what in the building? Oh, I'm looking straight across? Yeah.

A naked couple. Well, I did see. No, I've actually never looked across. I always think that. I'm gonna look, I'm like wow, there's another high rise building right there, that's an apartment. I'm gonna look across there and I'm gonna see naked people.

But I never have. I keep looking. Hold on, but hold on. Never happened. Don't you remember the time that me and you and Stevie and all of our significant others were together on a balcony in Manhattan and then we looked across to the apartment across from us

and there were people doing something and it took us about 10 minutes to figure out they were playing cornhole. Indoors. Inside. Yeah but it was not easy to figure out because it was actually further away. Yeah. But it was like, are they bowling?

Are they doing charades? Yeah, yeah. They're playing indoor cornhole. What desperate situation. And actually, and actually, that fits perfectly into the way that I see what Instagram is. Instagram is. You're gonna have to explain this. Because looking at naked people,

I don't think you can do that on Instagram. No you can't. Female nipples, you can't look at female nipples, but you can look at male nipples all you want because male nipples, you know, they're dysfunctional. Okay, I'll need to write that down. But in fact, some, there was a, there was a, Let's not get off on a nipple tangent.

I'm just saying, there's a woman that took male nipple pasties and put them over her own nipples. Okay. As a way to say, what's the big freaking difference between the two nipples? And I think, I mean. How'd that go over?

I mean, I don't know. I don't really know the story. Okay, well I'm glad you told the first half of it. But it was a little protest. Explain to me how you're seeing Instagram through the lens of people playing cornhole in an adjacent high rise building. Anyone who has their window open

and is doing something in an apartment or a hotel in New York City is basically saying, take a look at what I'm doing right now, right? And so that's why I don't feel weird about just like, and it's not like I'm like looking over there trying to find something, it's just like, you kinda like, I feel like I'm in a movie sometimes and I'm like looking across and like, oh, I'm seeing,

and it's just like when Letterman used to call that woman, he would look across his office and he would see the woman and she was in the window. She was working. And it's a real woman and they ended up having like a long term friendship. A friendship. I think that Instagram is like your window,

your curated window to the world. It's like saying I'm doing this right now, I'm playing cornhole right now and I want, and I don't care who knows. In fact, my friends who know which window I live in, who know which apartment, if they wanna see me playing cornhole, it'd be cool for them to take a peek into my life

at this point. Okay. And you can open the window and show what you wanna show within certain guidelines and you can close the window. So you're saying it's not begging for them to look. You're not flashing the lights and yelling across the way, we're playing cornhole over here if you wanna look this way.

It's more just like, hey, the shades are up, I'm throwing the corn bag, you look if you want. It's up to you, take it or leave it. And I also think that there is. But it's not, please, please look at this. It is for a lot of people. It is for a lot of people and it is for me at times, right? Like, I don't, there are people who purposely post pictures

of themselves that are from bad angles or they look bad because they're trying to counteract exactly the general subtext that you're talking about. You know, they'll take like a weird picture of themselves. Oh, they'll swing the pendulum to ugly. And I think that that is totally fine and kudos to those people. See again, they have the power to make that decision

and to show to the world what they want to. If your fear is that you're gonna seem like a braggy daddy if you start Instagramming, well then, approach Instagram in a different way. And I think that the first different way that comes to my mind leads to my second problem. And that's because now it's not just pictures, but it's also stories.

And there's a whole lot of functionality. I mean, we do stories through the Rhett and Link account whenever we're out and about doing something work-related or yeah, just having an adventure. But I think well if I'm just not gonna post pictures of myself and be really self-conscious about it, then I need to be entertaining. And then I need to make this a creative outlet

and it becomes like work. It literally becomes work. And to me, that is the second problem. I went on, well here's the thing. I would get into bed and you know like Christy's on her phone and I'm on my phone and I've started looking at Reddit and I'm very entertained by that. And I like, I'll fall asleep to Reddit on my phone.

I'm just, you know, I think it's healthy. But I look over at Christy and she's laughing and she's looking at one of our mutual friend's Instagram feeds and this particular person, we just really enjoy his stories and what he's posting and the way that he says things and it's just, I love it, it just makes me happy. Seeing this person's stories that is just a friend.

And I'm looking over Christy's shoulder and we're just having a blast looking through the feed. And then I realize, and she wants to get to something else and I'm like, no, no, no, go further, go further. And she's like, I wanna look at this and I'm like you know what? I have Instagram on my phone. I can look at this on my phone right now.

Like there are no barriers to me doing that. And then I pull up my phone and I open it up and it's the first time I had opened Instagram in five years and I look at it and I'm like, my whole feed is just populated with of course people that I follow, right, and only those people, that's how it works, right? Well that particular, yeah, yeah, your feed. And.

You can go to explore and you can see other stuff, but yeah. I'm looking at it and I'm realizing everything in my feed, it's YouTubers and then I go to the who am I following tab and I was following like 111 people and the vast, vast, vast majority of those people were all YouTubers. Like the moment I got on Instagram way back then

and posted that club picture, I just went on and started following YouTubers. Once you follow one or two, it's like they suggest you. And so now, I was just, all of a sudden I experienced just an avalanche of anxiety that like, oh wow, what are all these people doing? It was this, it became this anxiety of competition and comparison.

Which I think is a general problem with a lot of people on Instagram, right? Just there's an anxiety of competition and comparison. Am I, is my life as interesting as this person? Is my face as cool looking as this person's? Is my so and so, is my dog hairy in the right places? So you get in all that. But for me it's.

I don't think anybody's worried about that. Oh my gosh. What are all these other YouTubers doing that I feel like I should have been doing for the past five years? It became a business thing. And I totally forgot about looking at our friend's Instagram story.

And I was like, you know what, this makes me mad. And if I'm ever gonna get back on this thing, this is the problem. And I just, I started clicking unfollow, unfollow. I clicked unfollow. This explains a lot. 111 times. Because. I unfollowed, and I just, I started clicking unfollow, unfollow. I clicked unfollow. This explains a lot. 111 times. Because.

I unfollowed, and I was, because once I, it was like the vast majority. It just left a handful of people and I was like, screw it. I'm gonna unfollow them too. I unfollowed you. It was weird. It was weird. It felt good.

It felt healthy. It felt like the right thing for me to do. It felt good to go on your Instagram account that you don't use and unfollow everyone. Yes. You might need to see a therapist. Yeah, and I am right now and you're as close as we're getting at this point.

But yeah. And I can say that just before you say I'm making fun of mental health because I do see a therapist, okay? And I do think that there's a therapeutic, absolutely there is something that like if I was talking to a therapist instead of you, we'd be, it's a great thing for me to talk to a therapist.

I do think there's something to crack open here because your concerns are all valid, right? The first thing you mentioned about feeling like this is all about being self-absorbed, I could meet someone who, I could have a friend who wasn't you, who wasn't an entertainer in any way, and they would be like, I'm not on Instagram because I feel like it just makes me think about myself

too much and it's superficial and it feeds into a part of me that I don't wanna feed. And I would be like, I respect that, man, that's cool. Mm-hmm. So that's a valid thing. Now my counter to that, I've already stated it, is that, well, you live a self-absorbed, self-promoting life already.

Thank you. And hopefully, I think part of being a healthy entertainer is separating, and this isn't easy, this is easier said than done, separating your self-worth from people's perception of you. So I think that's the kind of the way that I see Instagram at this point, and hopefully bypass at least some of that.

Obviously I still worry about what people think of me and that's why I post the watermelon pick and the best pick of the bunch, right? But I also know. And I just say I. And for me, let me finish. For me, I'm posting that, the pie chart of reasons for why I posted the watermelon pick,

the majority, I truly believe this, is because I think that it is entertaining. I think people will find, people will get a laugh or people will get something. In the way that I consume Instagram, I will be contributing to it. I read Yelp reviews, I don't write Yelp reviews. I take but I don't give.

But on Instagram, I take and I give. I'm receiving the feeds and I'm feeding into the feed. And I'm doing it because I feel like I'm giving somebody something that they can enjoy on some level, giving them insight into my life and something that I think is worthy of showing people. I'm opening the window and saying, hey, we're playing cornhole today.

I don't post a whole lot. So I think you can overcome that. But with that, I mean, the thing that I need to overcome is I don't think I could ever post that watermelon swimsuit photo shoot because I would be afraid that it would be misinterpreted as, oh I think I look great in this watermelon bathing suit. Under the guise of I think that it's funny but it's not,

but people are just gonna say that I look good in it. Yeah but that, but then. So then I'm concerned about, so I'm concerned, I'm not, I don't want people to dictate what I feel about myself but I'm afraid. But when you make a decision to wear the clothes that you wear on, the clothes that you wear every day, what, are you like, nah man, I wear what I wear

because it makes me feel good. If you wore what you wore because it made you feel good, you'd wear sweats all the time. You make a decision to put clothes on because it's external, man. It shapes people's perception of you. And then when you make a decision to be on camera. I think that's one thing, but like when you're posting

a photo on Instagram, it kinda, the number of reasons, the number of potential motives that someone could guess shrink a lot more than the number of motives associated with what you're wearing when you're just walking around town. But anything that you do, I think you're making a distinction between showing a picture or showing a slice of your life and then what you do every single day which is entertain people and you are saying,

I think I've got something interesting to say. I think I've got something interesting to show you. If me and you are going and doing a concert, it's like we think we're interesting enough for you to buy a ticket to come and see us. We even think we're interesting enough for 100 or 200 people to pay even more money to come just to get a picture

with us. This is an incredibly self-focused, self-promoting mentality that we already adopt as an entertainer. And what I'm saying is that you of all people should be able to make that transition. Like I said, if you were just somebody who, if you were just a banker, I got lots of banker friends,

and you were like, I don't like that. I don't like to be the center of attention. I don't like to dance on the dance floor in front of everybody. I don't like to tell stories about my life. But you like to do all those things. You love to tell the story. You don't like to tell stories about my life, but you like to do all those things. You love to tell a story. You don't like to tell stories about your life?

No, I'm saying if a banker said that to me. Oh, oh. Yeah, yeah. You lost my analogy. If a banker said that to me, and he was like, and so that's why I don't do Instagram, but you love to tell stories. Yes.

You love to dance. You love to be the center of attention. In the same way that I do, maybe even more so than me, in all kinds of life situations. But then you're saying that all of a sudden. But I like to craft it as a thing. So then that is my second barrier. But you can craft it perfectly.

But that takes work. You can open the window for a second. Right, but that takes, so that's the second point is it takes the work of how do I craft this? The reason why I don't tweet is because like, Now this is interesting. I'm sitting there, I'm like, is this funny enough? Like I gotta come up with something funny.

I've got the, there's a pressure of performance when I just need to like zone out or like take it easy. Yeah I completely relate to this. So I wanna find a way forward that is not, zone out or take it easy. Yeah, I completely relate to this. So I wanna find a way forward that is not, you know, I don't want it to seem like, look at me and I don't want it to seem like work where I've said, hey, this is not about looking at me.

This is about, and this is also not about look at what I've come up with to entertain you, because that's too much work and then I like, I just don't want to add another place where I gotta come up with that. So I think. On the Twitter front. Those are my two problems, those are my two barriers to getting back on Instagram.

Do you feel like we've addressed the first one? What I'm trying to say is you're not wrong, but you've made an unnecessary distinction. You've cordoned off this area of Instagram and said that this is somehow different, when what I'm saying is that so many aspects of your personal and public life is already about, look at me, why not just throw one more into the,

and do it in a healthy way that, if it's gonna make you, if it is gonna make you more self-absorbed, then don't do it, but what I'm saying is, I don't think it will. I think that you're already, you know, the correct amount of self-absorbed that it takes to be an entertainer,

but not so self-absorbed that you become a self-destructive entertainer. Yeah, I don't think, I do not think that me posting pictures on Instagram is going to negatively impact me psychologically. Okay. I just think it's, It's a hangup. I don't wanna be thought of as a guy who thinks that you wanna look at him.

Okay. I wanna be thought as a guy that makes you, that thinks you want to laugh with or at him. But if you were the first person on earth to be thinking about Instagram, but everyone has an Instagram account. Every single person that you know intimately, you know well, has an Instagram account.

So you're in good company. And I've got. Does it make you weird or self-absorbed? Yeah and maybe I just don't take, maybe I just want, take selfies. Sure, well you could do, you remember Casey Neistat came up with that company, that app? Beam.

Beam and it was all about what you were seeing. That worked well. I think it worked. I think it actually worked very well for Casey. In the long run it didn't work for, I guess CNN bought it. But I think the reason it didn't work is because, I don't think that's what people,

people are not necessarily just interested in what you're seeing, they're kinda interested in seeing you, so, anyway. I'm motivated to get back on because, you know, my kids are on there. It's like, I wanna be able to spy on my kids. Well, let's get to that, but I wanna address your second point, which I think is,

I relate to your second point, I relate is, I relate to your second point. I relate to both of your points. The first point I feel like I just bypassed personally because I was like I don't see why this is any different than anything else I do. The second point of it feeling like work, I really relate to. I especially, first of all, I don't post a lot at all.

My frequency is like a photo a week, if that. And my stories, well I'm starting to do a little bit more, well I'll get into that in a second, but Twitter, as a point of comparison, you know I followed different comedians and I see what they tweet and it makes me mad. Because I'm like, you know what? Because you hate comedy.

I do, I feel like I do a lot of things well and I usually can kind of set my mind on something and figure it out. Yeah. But, and I actually fancy myself a pretty good writer. And I actually. You are a good writer. And I actually fancy myself a pretty good writer. And I actually. You are a good writer. And I actually fancy myself a pretty good joke writer.

Jokes in the context of a script. What I cannot really do well is joke tweet in the way that some of these comedians can. You know I just like. I definitely can't. Like one of my favorite accounts, Megan Amran, Amran, however you say her last name, and she's a writer here in town.

And like she just had a tweet that was, RIP 2018, 2018 to 2018. I'm just like, that is so good. And then I was looking at her feed and she tweeted something like, do you ever wonder if all of our muscles have the ability to taste but the tongue is the only one we put food on?

And again, I'm just like, man. She better be good at it because she is a writer. I know, that is what she does. But I assume that she's also. Maybe I shouldn't try to make you feel better. No, no. So what have you decided, that you're not good at it? Well, I oscillate, man, when it comes to Twitter.

I think to myself, I think the way forward for me with Twitter is just don't put pressure on yourself. See Twitter as an extension of your brain. Again, it's like, it's this thing where you can occasionally just open it up and share a thought. Sometimes it's serious, sometimes it's observational, sometimes it's funny, sometimes you're definitely trying to make a very specific joke about something.

Maybe you're responding to somebody. But I feel like I have a similar hang up with Twitter because I feel like I am known as a funny person so therefore I better have a funny Twitter. But also because it takes me time to sit and think, I'm working on a lot of other things and contributing creatively to a lot of other things and so I kind of feel like I have a limited amount

of creative energy. And you know that's how I think. If I'm funneling it into Twitter. So but with Instagram, because it's not curated in the same way like tweets are like I have to formulate a thought and it's more work than like I am in this situation right now, I could take a picture of it. Yeah I feel like I could be better at Instagram

than Twitter and I think I'm done with tweeting. I think Twitter to me, especially if you succeed at getting me back on Instagram, this is entirely up to you, then Twitter to me is just gonna be coming interaction with people who are tweeting at me, so it's conversational. interaction with people who were tweeting at me. So it's conversational. Because I'm on the app, because it's a news source for me. You know, I look at the moments and like,

it's a fun way to kind of get the news. It's a global conversation around. And then with one click over. Curated down to the people that you wanna hear from. Because I follow so many, I had the automatic re-follow on Twitter so every fan who followed me for like years and you, we automatically followed them back

so that is useless to me now. Hold on, you still, I unfollowed a lot of people like years ago. I don't do that. So my feed, it has so many people just tweeting about their own lives that like, I can look at the ats where people wanna talk to me or talk about me. Or go to moments. Replies and I go to moments.

So I'm just gonna, I'm giving up on trying to tweet something funny. So I guess. I don't like to write in that way. So it is opening a little margin for Instagram if you succeed. Well and I think that my philosophy towards Twitter is becoming I'm not gonna feel pressure.

If I have something, I'm like oh that would make a good tweet, well just tweet it without really scrutinizing it and thinking too much. But I'm using Twitter as an example because that sort of stage fright that accompanies Twitter, it doesn't translate to Instagram for me. Sometimes. I get that. Because. I don't think it would

for me either. If, unless I'm, I don't know, I guess I said that it would because unless I, if I can let go, I just need to find a middle ground of how I look at it where it's not, all right, I am going to do something that's like a story video that's gonna be entertaining. I'm gonna make a little show for you here. Or like, I'm gonna post this picture

and like I gotta see how many likes it's gonna get. Well, and. Or something like that. And that's, and so. If it could become a generally, a genuinely fun outlet for me, like the way that I'm on Reddit, I really enjoy it. The way that I use Twitter, I'm actually starting to enjoy now once I let go of, okay, I've got to,

I gotta tweet something funny. So to me, the question is, is there a- You just use both of those, you're just using, you're just sucking the life out of both of those platforms without contributing, which I do the same thing with Reddit. I don't have a, I think I have an old Reddit account, but I can't even log into it. Well is there another way forward

for how I can interact with Instagram in terms of how I post. Lower the threshold. And what I consume that makes it fun for me. Lower the threshold. Threshold of? What qualifies as an interesting post. I think I need to do the same thing

because I'm over here in lean, not a lot of stuff going on on Instagram land because I'm just like, I don't have anything interesting. I mean, I think the thing that people don't understand, well maybe they do, is that sure we may do these ridiculous, notable, Instagram-worthy things on our show, but that's our show. And then when we're not doing that,

we're pretty much just sitting around working and developing things and then I go home. And that's why a lot of times my Instagram story will just be my dog because that's who I see when I walk through the door and so. Well my dog's already got an Instagram account. I just haven't, I've also felt like I don't wanna tell anybody about it because I think,

because like Lily posts stuff on it. But she posts stuff about the dog on it. Yeah and I'm like, I just felt like there's something's gonna get posted and there's gonna be, somebody's gonna find out where I live or something. I'm very concerned about that. Well, I think your kids are probably

actually more equipped at managing that than we are. I wouldn't know because I'm not following them on Instagram so that's the other thing. I need to, like I said, I need to not spy but I need to, I mean, turns out if I'm gonna have a meaningful relationship with my kids, a good piece of that pie needs to happen over Instagram. Yeah but the thing you don't understand is that

you're assuming that you know about all their Instagram accounts. Just give up on that for a second. Let me just lay out the reality of the situation with the teens, the youth in their Instagrams. They have more than one and the one that you know about is not the one that they communicate with. What?

Yes, man. Off Instagram, that's what that is? Well, you sound like you know more than me. A fake Instagram, I've heard about that. Yeah, so they have an Instagram account because Instagram makes it so easy to just add multiple accounts and switch between them. So you have your Instagram account that your parents follow that you comment on publicly, but then you've got another Instagram account that your parents follow that you comment on publicly,

but then you've got another Instagram account which. And they're both private. There's a real Instagram and there's a fake Instagram and I think the fake Instagram, I don't know which is which but. Whichever one that you know about. Well my kids aren't allowed to have that. Okay so you're gonna grab their phone

and look and see if they got it? Because that's how they communicate with each other. They don't, you know, for the longest time, I was like, I remember a lot was planning a party for his birthday and the way that all the communication was happening was over Instagram. I was like, this is how you guys use Instagram? So why don't you just text everybody?

It's like, no, we don't do that. I think that they do text and I think he does text with some friends but they use the apps to communicate with each other quite a bit and they're not gonna use the account that you know about. You know, maybe they are. You can't control that, man, just let go. Let them be the youth.

Okay. But I feel like we still haven't addressed your second point. Just to tie a bow on that. I need to find a way forward that's not like work. Performance anxiety that you associate with this. I relate to that and I kind of have the same thing. Performance anxiety that you associate with this. I relate to that and I kinda have the same thing.

But I just, first of all. You're just saying don't care, just flip a switch and don't care. Just don't care, I think your account would be really interesting. I think if I. Link not caring is pretty entertaining as we have demonstrated. Hmm, I never thought about that. As a career.

Well that's an interesting point, because I mean. Link overthinking has never been entertaining. That's true, you're exactly right. Yeah. And that's all I've been doing. In fact, let's think of all the things that link overthinking things has led to.

It led to that really weird. My first marriage. That really weird first marriage, no. That really weird speech that you gave when you tried to get elected. That really weird speech I gave at my rehearsal dinner. Yes. That really weird speech I gave

at my 40th birthday party. Yes. That really weird speech I gave every time Ith birthday party. Yes. That really weird speech I gave every time I had to give a speech. But think of all the moments that you haven't thought and how great it's gone. Yeah and how little work went into it. You know, Link, that's why I'm here.

Yeah. I'll do the thinking. No, but you know what, Stevie actually told me the other day, she was No, but you know what, Stevie actually told me the other day. She was talking about, you know, we have a lot of people come into our office and meet with us for various things, potential projects, et cetera,

and she was telling me when we went to the I hope this ends in a compliment. Premiere the other night, she was like, you know, Link is, he's so good in those meetings. The way he's, you know, when it feels like things are getting awkward and somebody, they're saying something, he's like, he says something, they're like, loosen it up and you know.

She didn't tell me that. She don't want me to like start to get flamey pants. Like whoa, look at my pants on fire. Flamey pants, okay. So you didn't. Like try too hard. Right, you didn't think about it. I'm setting my pants on fire. Flaming pants, okay. So you didn't. Like try too hard. Right, you didn't think about it. I'm setting my pants on fire because there's an awkward moment.

Because Stevie told me I'm good at this. And so, but you're not like sitting around and calculating your strategy, those people, you're just like, they said something and you're just saying the first thing that comes to your mind. Yeah, I got that from my dad. Can't you translate that into, I mean,

first of all, let me just say that this is a little bit risky, okay? It's a little bit risky. But I think if you're. Yeah, I'm gonna be posting like social security numbers and like credit card numbers and home addresses. That's what I'm, like. I think you, but I think there's a way to do it. Can I post and it goes to somebody that then they say yes

and they let it go through or not, like an operator? We could probably arrange that. There's somebody on Instagram who can be like, you're about to do something stupid. We could probably arrange that here in house. Don't give this man a knife kind of a thing. I mean we could probably do that here in house. But I don't think we have to.

I think the way that you do it is I think that your Instagram is link unfiltered. First of all. I can't use filters? You thought that was funny. Everything has to't use filters? You thought that was funny. Everything has to be. I didn't think that was funny. Hashtag no filter.

But you, your initial instinct is like, I'm not gonna think about this, I'm just gonna create it. And then that moment before you post, if I'm present, or if your wife is present, or if one of your children is, no your children are probably gonna see this. Just give me some questions to ask myself. I don't wanna have to be babysat.

No no. So like just give me a couple of questions like is there a social security number visible? I was gonna say if you were alone. Okay yeah. If you're alone then just stop and look at it. I'm a big boy. Okay, don't let the filter operate until you've created

the post. Oh. You don't need to pre-filter things because that's when you're getting in your head and you're locking up. No, just follow your instincts, but then, you know what? You have a chance after you've written everything to be like, is this a good idea?

And at that point, the only reason you shouldn't post something is if you think, oh, I didn't think about this. This could be offensive in this way. Or, so if it's could be offensive in this way. Yes. Or, so if it's gonna be offensive in some way. Or you can see my nut sack. Exactly, you don't wanna be, any nut sack, not even a little bit of nut sack.

Right. Should make it into the picture. And Instagram will allow a little nut, just a little nut sack. Little peek at a sack. Yeah, so no nut sack, no female nipples, all the male nipples you want. Okay. And. Got two. And so, I female nipples, all the male nipples you want. Okay.

And so I just think you gotta take the filter off and just be like, this is a, I take pictures. This is an arena of self expression. And that was another thing that I wanna talk about. Don't see it as work that has to be judged. The great thing is is that it doesn't matter how active and successful our Instagram accounts are

because thankfully we've got this thing going as the two of us that is very well taken care of and actually not personally managed by the two of us so that it's actually active, right? And so that's what supports us. That's why we're able to sit here and have this conversation in this building. This isn't, our livelihood is not dependent

on people's reaction to your Instagram. So you shouldn't really worry, don't worry, don't think of it as work. Work is what you do to make a living. She's saying dance like no one's watching. Dance like nobody's watching, but then know that every once in a while people are watching. Should I treat it as a personal account? And every once in a while people are watching. Should I treat it as a personal account?

And every once in a while people might be able to see your nutsack and in those times, stop dancing and delete the post. What if I treat it that only my mom is watching because then there won't be any nutsack. That'd be weird. No social security numbers because I don't want her to have that.

No but I don't think you should see your mom as your audience because I think that would be a very narrow. All my stories would start with hey mom. Yeah no. I mean that would be a comedic choice but. It would be. Again that may be trying too hard.

And you know what there's probably a comedian who's done it already. Oh. I mean it's like the Vlogbrothers deciding to talk to each other. Should I not read the comments and likes and track my following? Just say caution to the, it's not about the results.

You know what, if you feel like you would then begin to associate your self-worth with the reception of your content, don't worry about that. Don't look at the likes, don't look at your followers. Now, you might need to look at the comments again and make sure there's, because people will usually say like, nutsack, if they see it. Okay. But other than that, I wouldn't worry at the comments again and make sure there's, because people will usually say like, nutsack, if they see it. Okay.

But other than that, I wouldn't worry about the comments. Okay. I think the other component is to make it more fun, there's also, who do I follow so that I'm drawn to the app as a user, because I do think once I'm in it, then I'm like, oh, I'm also gonna post something. Well, I think you need to, I have some recommendations. Give them to me because I'm pretty sure

that I don't wanna follow anyone that could be seen as a peer in the industry or like, That's gonna be weird. Stretched as a competitor. Like I just don't wanna watch other YouTubers because it's gonna seem like oh, I need to be doing what they're doing. Okay.

You can be an exception because you're also a friend. I'm gonna just say it is gonna be a little bit weird if it's like Link doesn't follow anybody who does what he does which is usually what people do because it's actually informative to be a part of the community but if that's. I'm dancing and no one's watching.

The goal here is to get you on Instagram so if that's the way you feel about it then I'm not gonna argue with you. Yeah. I was gonna say, some people may be a little weirded out by it. But that's what they think and it's not about what they think. Okay.

Also, you know, Instagram is smart and knows who you look at and sends you those posts so you can also follow those people for the public facing value of it and then just not engage with them and then Instagram will stop showing them to you. I think, I don't know, AI. Who should I follow?

Don't give me any YouTubers. I'm not gonna give you very much at all. I'm gonna give you just a very small sample of the kinds of accounts that I find the most inspiration. Because I know what I follow on Reddit. I follow people peeling stuff off of things. Dotsons. Perfect Loops.

Okay, well, I think these are the same types of things. The things I enjoy most, like, I've shown you stuff from this before, Kook Slams. Kook, K-O-O-K, Slams. Kook, hopefully it's not a derogatory term for something else, but. It's a bad surfer. It's a bad surfer is what I know it as. And in the context of this account, that's what it means.

So this is just people who've had accidents in the ocean. Oh gosh. And it's just a series of people just screwing their lives up in the ocean, you know? You know, like this is a good one. So this is a beachfront wedding. Oh goodness. And there's a little backdrop through there.

And then there it is. Couldn't they know that the ocean was going to come in and crash on everything? Isn't that something that the ocean does? The people are still sitting there. Oh gosh. So I mean, that entertained me. I'm into that.

Yeah that was. I wanted to see that. I also feel smarter than them. I'll lean over to my wife and say, check this out, this wedding that just got rampaged by a wave. You just been kook slammed. All right. Here's another one.

Similar theme, Jerry of the day. A Jerry is a derogatory term for a bad skier. Oh gosh, okay. A skier who doesn't know what's up, you know, is making bad decisions on the slopes. So this is anybody who's just kind of embarrassing themselves in general. I mean, I don't know if I, I mean,

I'll just click on a random one here. Oh gosh. You know, this guy. This guy's skiing down, he's hitting the jump, whoop! He hits the jump and then hits plants. It ends in the perfect place, right? The loop ends in the right place and doop, that's it. Skis come off, nose goes into the snow, okay. You get that little dopamine rush.

So I got the snow and I got the ocean. But these are outdoor activities. No but this is one that I found recently that I'm very excited about. Catatonic Youths. Only 10.7 thousand followers. Ooh, you're getting in early. And this is just this person who has curated

all of these weird musicians. Like check this out. What? He said, welcome to Malibu. And I said, what about you? And what about the boo? You know I came here for the day. Now I just can't seem to get away. Oh my gosh, this is horrible.

He said, welcome to Malibu. And I said, what about you? And what about the boo? He said, what about Malibu? This is a joke. No, it's not a joke, it's not a joke. Oh wow, I love this. And I'm gonna show you, like check this one out.

Puff Puff Give, Puff Puff Give. Puff Puff Give? Okay. They're not in Malibu, they're a little north in San Francisco, or San Fran as I call it on my Instagram. This is even better, these people in the forest. I'm a warrior, how am I too? I'm a warrior, earth warrior.

I'm an earth warrior. This is bad in the woods. I'm a warrior, nature's soldier fighting for the earth. I'm a warrior, nature's soldier fighting for the Earth. I'm a warrior nature's soldier fighting for the Earth. That's a good cause too. Yeah, that's great. Like a GoFundMe? And of course then you got your meme accounts.

Catatonic youths. You got your meme accounts like Daquan and you know, the fat Jew. Okay, these are funny. Yeah, Christy shows me some of this stuff. That's what I'm clicking on most of the time. I mean, these are funny. Yeah, Christie shows me some of this stuff. That's what I'm clicking on most of the time. I mean, there's a lot of, but I also then look into people's.

What about dogs? I don't follow any dogs. I probably should. I bet you there's lots of dogs out there. There's lots of dogs to follow. You can follow just dogs. You can follow just dogs. That's how awesome it is.

It's, you're creating it. It's like moving into, going into a hotel in New York and then looking across the street and being able to just digitally control the different people who live across from you. To open their shades. Yes. Well no, they open the shade but then you,

you put your eyeballs on it. Oh okay, I feel like I can find, and you know what, hashtag Ear Biscuits, you make recommendations on Twitter for what else I can follow on Instagram. I have to show you this, this is when Sting was at some award show and they were covering Fields of Gold. Yeah. Obviously it wasn't going well. Look at his reaction.

Oh no, it's Every Step You Take. Oh my goodness. He's like trying, he's trying to stomach it. He's like trying to stomach it. This is great. Now that's catatonic youths as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just bad singing. The solo, he's in the solo like it stinks face, man.

He's literally shaking his head a little bit. And I mean this is endless. It just keeps going. There's so many people head a little bit. And there's, I mean this is endless. It just keeps going. There's just, there's so many people who make bad music. I mean, and I never knew I loved it so much. Wow. Look, it's just endless, look. Hours, Link, hours of wasting your time.

I didn't even know. See what I've missed? Now, I will say, the one thing we haven't discussed is just the time suck and pitfall and just kind of generally dopamine expending exercise that all social media is. Well, you know, I've got a Reddit pocket and I think that I would just give some of that

to my Instagram but I just don't think I would be on it constantly. I just don't. Yeah, you gotta ration it. I mean, I think if I were gonna be on Instagram constantly, I would already have been on Reddit constantly given how much I enjoy that. So I think I'm pretty good at compartmentalizing.

And again, that may be the fatal flaw in me actually being on there. But I'm getting closer to saying I'm ready to do this, but. Well I have an idea for your first post, which I think is how you. Yeah, we just have to think. I have an idea that I think will,

it actually in a weird way addresses all your concerns. Okay. I think that, I don't think that you're gonna be able to do this if you don't embrace posting pictures of yourself. I think that the picture you come back with does need to be of yourself, of your face, okay? Oh gosh. I think you need to come back with a selfie.

Come back with a selfie. I think you need to come back with a selfie because you don't need to, you gotta come out a little bit hot, man, in overcoming this and not caring. I don't want people to think I'm hot. Come out hot. And I think that you need to have a real booger. A real, actual booger sticking out of your nose.

This is bad, this is a bad idea because it takes both of the problems that I have on Instagram and it puts them both front and center. Hey, look at my face and I think it's funny that I'm doing this. We've been through this, you are funny, okay? You've made a living being funny. You are funny, get over it.

Why not just make a fart joke? I mean a booger joke. You can't see a fart, man. You can't see a fart and you shouldn't show a turd. Well you know what, I'm gonna prove you wrong. I have an idea. Okay, I'm not saying that's. I have my own idea.

That doesn't have to be the idea because we talked about how you don't need to think about it but I just think that if you come out of the gate with something that is a little self-deprecating and it just embraces, don't not show your face though. I think at least in the first 10 posts, you gotta show your face. 10 times?

In the first 10 posts, there needs to be you showing your face once is what I'm saying. I've got an idea. Okay. But now you're thinking about it. That's true. You know what, I shouldn't tell you. But it's the first one.

You know what? I've thought about the, I've got an idea for the first one. Don't even think about the time and don't even think about the content. It's just when it hits you, do it and don't care. Don't even think, don't use my idea. Don't use my idea. I won't.

Don't use an idea. Have an idea and the idea being formed is the post itself. I definitely. It happens in one swift motion. You know what, it's been very helpful having this conversation and I think I'm ready. And I'm not gonna ask you to go over to Instagram and follow Link Lamont, which no is not my real name.

Well there's another thing we didn't discuss but that's cool. Should I start over? I got half a million followers, I can't start over. Don't start over, go with that. That's your social media name, man? I got half a million followers, I can't start over. Don't start over, go with that. That's your social media name, man. When I reach a million followers, I will make my first post back.

Just joking. Not about that. This is a form of self-expression. I'm dancing like no one's watching. Is this photo. Link Lamont. Is the post going to be up. Follow or don't.

Is the post going to be up when this podcast is live? Yeah, I'll make a commitment. I think I'm ready, I think I'm, yes. When the video is live or when the audio version's live? When this thing comes out, that's the audio. Okay. By the time this comes out, it's there. Okay.

I'm excited, man. I don't know if I'm gonna follow you, but. I don't know if I'm gonna follow you. I mean, I do follow you now, but that hasn't meant anything. Right, you may have to unfollow dancing like nobody's watching. Yeah. That's what I'm gonna call it. I think I need to Like Nobody's Watching. Yeah.

That's what I'm gonna call it. I think I need to watch. That's gonna center me. I think I need to follow it just in case there is a nutsack. I can just show it to you right now if you wanna see it. I might need to catch the public nutsack. Just in case there's a square of nutsack. A square?

I don't know what kind of underwear you got on. Might have a square hole in it. Oh, it doesn't. Good. It doesn't. All right, thanks for hearing me out. I don't know if this is helpful for anybody else. Everybody's like, what are you talking about?

I'm already on Instagram. Now you've made me overthink it. All right, but like I said, hashtag Ear Biscuits. Let me know what you think. Commiserate with me if you're off. Don't talk me out of it, because by the time this comes out, I've already made the decision to be in on it.

You heard it, I just made it. Right, just follow. But if you wanna recommend something that you think I would actually enjoy on Instagram, please do that on Twitter, ironically. Well I guess you could do it on Instagram. Yeah, that's what I would suggest, in the comments of your first post.

Well I'll be damned. They should just recommend. Isn't that crazy? Accounts, yeah. Use hashtag Ear Biscuits, that still works on Instagram, doesn't it? I believe it does. It does, it does. Do it.

And thank you for, just thank you for sitting in on this. I don't know, you know, I'm a verbal processor and I just need this space to figure things out. And I couldn't do it without you. Thank you for your help, Rhett. Anytime. Anytime you wanna, I really appreciate it. You wanna monetize advice from me, I'm here.