Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 249: If We Could Witness Any Historical Event | Ear Biscuits Ep.249

Episode Date: August 3, 2020

Who knew that diving deep into science, religion, and aliens would open a door to vulnerability and introspection? R&L each discuss 3 historical events that they would go back in time to witness and w...hy in this episode of Ear Biscuits! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:46 This week at a table that is round, but there's not dim lighting, it's a different table. At our creative house. We're going to be having a conversation that was spurred by a question that was asked during one of the AMA sessions over on the Mythical Society. We do that, I don't know how often we do that. Is it monthly?
Starting point is 00:01:07 Is it every month? Seems like it. It seems like every month. It's gotta be every month. And Kimberly. Society members ask us anything and then we answer them. Yeah, yeah. For a whole hour. Whole hour.
Starting point is 00:01:19 We're both sitting on our laptops answering questions. I didn't answer this question, by the way. And I don't know the answer to your question. So didn't answer this question by the way. And I don't know the answer to your question. So I'm not gonna give you the answer. I'll give you the question. And I was like, I was thinking about this question last night and I was like, this would be a good thing to hear Link's answers
Starting point is 00:01:37 and also to analyze my, what I'm gonna call my knee jerk answers. So the question was, if you could witness any historical event, what would it be? Go back and witness any historical event. And again, when you're doing an AMA, I mean, my philosophy is I want to answer as many questions as possible.
Starting point is 00:01:57 You know, it's not that I'm not being thoughtful, but I'm not like, you know. You don't wanna overthink it. I really gotta think about this. Cause it's live and you know, they're waiting for the answer to the question and you wanna get through a bunch of them. That's why I didn't even choose that one
Starting point is 00:02:11 cause I'm like, dang, that's a big question. And a lot of times I would avoid that question, a question like this because of what my answers were. But that's why I wanted to talk about it. Just in the name of vulnerability, self-exploration, introspection, I thought it would be interesting to go back and I'll go through my answers,
Starting point is 00:02:32 which again, I've actually thought a little bit about them and I was like, I probably wouldn't answer this exactly the same way, but I want to explore what my answers say about me and then I want to hear your answers, of course. You had a little bit, we talked about it last night, so you've had a little bit more time to think about it. Yeah, and I, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:51 when you first pitched this as an Ear Biscuit, I was, I said, now let's not do that one, because like I was not in a frame of mind to figure it out. Like, it's a very intimidating question. I mean, and I don't know enough about history. Like all of a sudden I feel exposed. It's like, there should be an obvious answer. Now I'll talk about my process a little bit
Starting point is 00:03:13 about how I arrived at my answers. Oh yeah, and we also, yeah, to clarify, first of all, you're not drinking beer for those of you watching. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it's not apple juice either. It's a kombucha.. It's a kombucha. But it's a kombucha.
Starting point is 00:03:27 I gave three answers because I couldn't narrow it down and I said my three answers in chronological order are, and so you've also given three answers. Yeah. Even though that wasn't what Kimberly was asking, she was just asking for one, couldn't narrow it down to one. So that's what we're gonna talk about today. But before we talk about that.
Starting point is 00:03:42 What? Let's talk about the fact that we're both wearing shorts. Oh, I see you looking at my, are you looking at my legs or my shorts? Well, I'm looking at your shorts, but it's hard not to see your legs because your shorts are incredibly, nay I say, unnecessarily.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Nay I say. Dare I say, unnecessarily short. Now, okay, I'm gonna stand up and for those of you watching, I'm gonna show you my shorts. Go ahead and show them your shorts. You got some, you look like a freaking golf shorts. These are like plaid shorts.
Starting point is 00:04:15 These are stylish, man. Now, we don't, as a policy, we don't wear, we don't wear shorts to work or on video, but I admittedly, I've gone to an extreme here. I mean, I'm gonna stand on my tiptoes so you can see. That's my leg there. That's a lot of leg. That's a lot more leg.
Starting point is 00:04:38 This is like a jogger's short. Yeah, these are swim trunks because I've been working on my tan line and I like my tan line to be very high. Why don't I just do the podcast standing like this the rest of the time? Some people do that. Just be standing. Some people do it while walking.
Starting point is 00:04:55 You stay seated and I'll stay standing. But the reason why I'm wearing shorts is not because, you know, it's liable to be in the mid 90s, but I have got a breakout of poison ivy. The temperature you mean, not like we're not going back in time to the mid 90s. Yeah, it's really hot. Dude, look at this thigh.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Look at my right thigh. Now, see my tan line there? Well, I mean, that's not a breakout. That's like you got a touch of poison ivy. Oh, you think that's- You have a crescent of poison ivy.'s like you gotta touch a poison ivy. Oh, you think that's. You have a crescent of poison ivy. I have a crescent of poison ivy. I mean, I've been covered with poison ivy.
Starting point is 00:05:29 That's four inches. Well, listen, so have I. You think that's four inches? That explains a lot. How long is that? That is not four, first of all, you're going past it. That's three, well, actually, no, it's three inches. Well, you're going too far on that side. Well, I don't wanna touch it. Okay, well, it's three inches. Well, you're going too far on that side. Well, I don't wanna touch it.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Okay, well, it's three inches. It's about four inches. You have a three inch crescent of poison ivy. This is not a life altering situation. Also, I have two dots right here on my hand because it spreads via your bloodstream. And that's where I first noticed it. I'm like, man, just below my knuckle, it's itching.
Starting point is 00:06:04 What is that, itching zit? I'm like, man, just below my knuckle, it's itching. What is that, itching zit? I'm like, oh no, I remember this feeling. We used to get it in high school all the time because we would constantly be getting poison ivy because we'd be gallivanting in the woods. And then right here on this, so that's my right knuckle, my left shoulder, look at that, one dot right there. And that dot itches like mad.
Starting point is 00:06:23 And then I realized, you know what, I've been scratching my thigh under my britches. I took my pants off two days ago. Britches. And there's this crescent, four inch crescent, at least. Three inch. If that, I'd say 2.8 inches. So I've been applying rubbing alcohol to it
Starting point is 00:06:44 because that's what the internet told me to do to help dry it out. I mean, you can take- No calamine? No. That doesn't happen anymore? I'm just trying to dry it out and give it some relief, but at a certain stage, oh man, I am reminded of when I had a whole lot, like my whole leg will be eat up with it.
Starting point is 00:07:02 And my whole leg would turn into like a one solid welt. Welp? What's the consonant at the end of that word? Welp? Welp. I think it's a welt. It welt up, man. Even this much had me up multiple times last night because I would wake up scratching it.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Well, because you're only addressing the dryness of it. You're not addressing, you're not soothing it with anything. That's what calamine does. You gotta soothe it. Well, it does soothe it. It cools it off. Well, you're waking up scratching it. It's obviously something's not working.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Well, then I gotta go put more alcohol on it. You can't let a 2.8 inch crescent of poison ivy ruin your night's sleep. I'd love for you to get it. You know, I'm gonna take some whatever oozes off of it and under this table, I'm gonna rub it on you. That's not how it spreads. Can't get it like that.
Starting point is 00:07:51 You get it from the oil on the plant? The oil on the plant's gone, friend. Now you're having a reaction. I can't get a reaction from you having a reaction. So you're saying that the oil that comes out of the thing- That's not oil, that's pus. Pus? Yeah, you're not like leaking poison oil. I'm gonna rub the oil that comes out of the thing. That's not oil, that's pus. Pus? Yeah, you're not like leaking poison oil.
Starting point is 00:08:08 I'm gonna rub my pus all over you if you won't shut up about it. It would be very unpleasant, but I would not get a crescent from it. I mean, it just reminds me that after I go in the woods, I took Lando in the woods. Good gosh, I'm so glad he didn't get it. Did you wear shorts that short in the woods?
Starting point is 00:08:24 No, but I sat down for a while and I think that's when it happened. I don't know. It could have entered my bloodstream somewhere else and then popped up there on my leg because I was scratching my leg for another reason. I don't know much about poison ivy, but I don't think you can get it on your leg
Starting point is 00:08:43 and have the bloodstream take it to your hand. I think that it spreads within the section through the bloodstream, but not like to another extremity. I mean, any scientists, any poison ivy scientists. We'll have to figure that out. Hashtag Ear Biscuits. Let us know, but I just don't think that's possible. I'll be good by then.
Starting point is 00:09:01 I think you got it on your hand because you touched it and I think you got it on your leg because you sat down. We got it so bad in high school, it and I think you got it on your leg as you sat down. We got it so bad in high school, I had to go to the doctor and get a cortisone shot. No, steroid shot, same thing. Oh yeah. So anyway, yeah, I'm wearing shorts
Starting point is 00:09:13 in order to air out my pussy leg. Oh God, I'm scared, careful. Well. Why are you wearing shorts? Because we don't do that. Well, I'm wearing shorts because while we record this podcast here, we don't run the AC and it gets hot.
Starting point is 00:09:26 It gets very hot. I mean, by the end of this, I'll be a shiny sweaty mess because we can't run the AC. I mean, we should just run the AC and let people deal with the noise. Go turn it on. I brought a sweatshirt because I knew you were gonna insist on it.
Starting point is 00:09:41 It's crazy. After last time. But it's interesting that even when we worked. It's not crazy. We worked. It's being prepared. When we worked in Lillington, just the two of us in that basement, which did have a window unit,
Starting point is 00:09:58 we wore jeans every single day. Like we made, we wore flip flops with our jeans and we wore t-shirts, but we had this like idea that you can't get work done in shorts. Well, no, wearing, what we really decided was, you know what, we're not gonna wear shorts in videos. I'm not gonna, my legs aren't gonna appear in videos. It just, you look like a hack.
Starting point is 00:10:19 I mean, if you're, I mean, I'm sure Mr. Beast could get away with it. I'm sure he wears shorts in his videos. I've never watched one. Tell me. You calling Mr. Beast a hack? No, I'm just. Beast could get away with it. I'm sure he wears shorts in his videos. I've never watched one. Tell me. You calling Mr. Beast a hack? No, I'm just saying he can get away with it because he has a different aesthetic.
Starting point is 00:10:31 It's just like, hey, a dude with really, really good ideas, the best ideas, the best ideas on the internet maybe, in terms of performance. I mean, you can't argue with the numbers. Am I a little bitter? I've never watched his videos. How could I be bitter or jealous? But I mean, I could see him wearing shorts.
Starting point is 00:10:50 I think he does. I've watched him. I mean, I know he has a big straw hat that he wears. We try too hard to wear shorts because that undermines the whole thing. But maybe that's it. Maybe that's what we're discovering. If we would just start wearing shorts,
Starting point is 00:11:05 why not wear shorts? I mean, Shia LaBeouf wore shorts on Hot Ones. Yeah, he did. And he didn't care. Well, I've been thinking seriously about wearing shorts to the office because of this. This is not, this is our problem. To the actual office.
Starting point is 00:11:19 You know, we're talking about how- But I don't wanna set the wrong tone. People are liking Good Mythical More. Some people say they like Good Mythical More more than they like Good Mythical Morning, the show before it, the actual show. Right. Because, and we're starting to figure out,
Starting point is 00:11:32 oh, they're picking up on something, right? The shorts. It's that we change into shorts, mentally. Mentally, we change into shorts for Good Mythical More. It's like, oh, this is just for anybody. It's more unbuttoned. If you wanna be here, you can be here, but we're not gonna beg you to be here.
Starting point is 00:11:47 And we're not gonna care what you think about us if you are here. We're in this together. Right. I think that's the key to Good Mythical More is that we put on our mental shorts. And you know what? This is gonna be a good podcast
Starting point is 00:12:02 because we've got physical shorts on, but my thigh is kind of pussy and itchy. But your particular shorts, if we're going to wear shorts to the office or begin wearing shorts more often, I don't think you can wear that kind of short. I'm a little bit, I'm approaching. Minor dressier for sure.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Yeah. And longer. And embarrassing. That's a seven and a half inch inseam. By the way, this is seven and a half inches. I'm pointing to my inseam. That's what seven and a half inches looks like. I mean, are you going golfing later?
Starting point is 00:12:38 Actually, I might later, yeah. Okay, well then you're ready. But see, I'm ready to go swimming. Plaid shorts look good on anyone at any time. The only reason I'm wearing these shorts, the shortest shorts I've got, is because the other shorts, they go halfway on the crescent and they chafe it.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Okay. They chafe my crescent. Roll them up. The thing about plaid shorts is you can be ready for anything. You can be ready to have a Mai Tai on the pool side, but you can also have a business transaction. You could not do business in those shorts. You could only run from business
Starting point is 00:13:13 or run to a business meeting and then change into a legitimate outfit. I don't like how we look in shorts on camera in a full body shot. I'm starting to like the way I look in shorts. Well, I'm not. Okay. These will be the shorts that I wear,
Starting point is 00:13:31 if that's where we're going. Let's, okay, well then I'll put on three pairs of pants. If that's what it takes. Shop Best Buy's ultimate smartphone sale today. Get a Best Buy gift card of up to $200 on select phone activations with major carriers. Visit your nearest Best Buy store today. Terms and conditions apply. Okay, so you answered this question.
Starting point is 00:13:59 I mean, you somehow came up with three answers to it. I mean, you somehow came up with three answers to it. If you could travel back in time and witness any event in history. Now there's no exact timeline, but there's a couple of ground rules here that were implied that at least I assumed. One is you can't change history. You can't have any impact on it, right?
Starting point is 00:14:20 That was implied. I also assumed that. I'm probably gonna disagree with this, I can tell by the look in your eye. That it couldn't kill you. Like if you went, like, I mean, if somebody said, well, I'm gonna go back to, I wanna see a specific volcano erupting, like,
Starting point is 00:14:38 there's one huge eruption that a lot of people say they wish they could go back and see, but it'd probably kill you. So I'm assuming that you would be safe. So okay, okay, so your assumption was that you wouldn't stay safe. Oh, no, no, I thought you were saying you could be killed. Yeah, I was, when I give you my first answer,
Starting point is 00:14:57 you'll understand that. You're in a hypothetical, what's the word? Bubble? Bubble of safety. Yeah. So I assume that as well. Yeah. And in terms of how much time, there's a little flex here, but really can't be more than like 24 hours. Like, I mean, if you wanted to go see a concert,
Starting point is 00:15:20 maybe you could do that, but I don't know that you could go to like a week long festival. The funny thing about all three of my answers is I probably need about a minute. Oh, really? Yeah. A minute. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Because I was thinking, okay, it seems like we're thinking differently. Well, okay, so. And this was knee jerk, but these are the assumptions you brought to it, but then you were like, all I need is a minute? Well, because I'm going back and I'm, well, okay, let me just explain.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Give me one. And I'm going in chronological order. And so the first one was. The Big Bang. The moment just before the Big Bang. Okay, I was right. So, which again. The moment before the Big Bang. The moment before the Big Bang. Okay, I was right. So, which again. The moment before the Big Bang.
Starting point is 00:16:06 The moment before the Big Bang is, I guess, theoretically unwitnessable because there was nothing to, but that's the thing, was there nothing to witness? And I'm also assuming that if there is some God who instituted the Big Bang, I would be able to see this God do the work, right? And so, which again is not something- First thing I'll be looking at is, is God wearing shorts?
Starting point is 00:16:34 Did God just light the fuse to the Big Bang? That would be my second thing. Right. Is God in shorts? And is there some sort of lighter? Is it one of those Bic lighter? Those are frustrating. No, no, I assume God has it one of those Bic lighter? Those are frustrating. No, no.
Starting point is 00:16:45 I assume God has like one of the long lighters. Push and then pull the trigger. Like he's got the one that like I light my grill with. And right when you get one of those things, you crank it up all the way. Or is this just me? Every time I get a new one of those longy trigger lighter things,
Starting point is 00:17:01 you know where it's got that knob, it's like the negative positive slider. Go all the way, yeah. I hit that thing all the way to positive. I'm like, wow, it's like a torch. I think God has a butane lighter. And then after that. Like for cigars.
Starting point is 00:17:13 Even like- Because he had definitely smoked cigars. The next time I, well, don't call God a he. Maybe they, maybe God, I'll just say God, maybe God lit the Big Bang with a cigar they were already smoking. That's not- When you start a fire with a thing that's in your mouth
Starting point is 00:17:33 that you're already smoking, that's about as badass as you can be. Like in a movie when you've covered somebody in gasoline and lit a trail to them and- Rhett, Rhett, Rhett. God need not be badass. He has nothing to prove to me. He? Oh. Yeah, you did it.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Yeah, it's hard not to. Just tradition. Okay, but I thought this- But then after a couple of uses, even though that thing's on the plus, you're like, the flame is so small. Yeah, well, let's get back to the nature of the question and not God's lighter.
Starting point is 00:18:06 That's fair. So again, now, obviously- You wanna know how it started. Well, yeah, I mean, and you'll see all my questions relate to these kinds of issues. That was where my mind was at at the time when I answered this question. It wasn't like what would be cool to witness
Starting point is 00:18:24 and what would be fun to witness, it was what would unravel the deepest mysteries of the universe if I had the ability to go do that, right? Knowledge. So, and this one in particular, this question in particular, when we shared our deconstruction stories, for those of you who don't know,
Starting point is 00:18:42 a few months ago we did a series called The Lost Years where we talked about our history growing up as becoming adults, working in Christian ministry, evangelical Christians, and now we're no longer, we no longer identify as that. I identify as what I call a hopeful agnostic. And it's interesting, people, lots of people on both sides, were like, well, you really just can't be an agnostic.
Starting point is 00:19:10 You know, you're either an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. And I'm like, oh, okay, that may be your opinion, but I'm not gonna label myself what you want me to label myself, because the thing that I am agnostic about is whether or not God exists. So I'm not gonna be an agnostic theist
Starting point is 00:19:28 or an agnostic atheist because that represents a disposition in one direction or the other. Or to me, it represents like, you know, the agnostic atheist would be like, I definitively am saying that, I'm not even gonna try to put words in your mouth, the people who told me that I needed to identify as one or the other, I'm just saying,
Starting point is 00:19:50 I don't identify as, I just identify as an agnostic. But I have a, like I said, I'm a hopeful agnostic, right? So you don't know, but you hope to know. And I'm not saying that I hope that necessarily there is a God in the traditional sense of like the Christian God, a personal God that has this very specific interest in everybody's life and is sitting in judgment or sitting in love or both or righteousness,
Starting point is 00:20:21 whatever your description of God would be. But I just have this thing that I can't let go of, which is, it could be, but there's a part of my brain that's just like, it just can't be just the universe, right? Could it really just be the universe? I mean, I guess theoretically, practically, scientifically, yes, it could just be because you get back to the argument
Starting point is 00:20:46 where you're like, well, God created it. And you're like, well, who created God? So then God kind of becomes your de facto universe that has always existed. But that's where the Big Bang raises this question because it's basically saying there was a beginning, right? And there was potentially nothing before it, or maybe there was, it exploded out of another universe,
Starting point is 00:21:08 or maybe it was another universe that collapsed on itself and then exploded again, and I feel like if I could go back right before it. It would be all of existence breathing, and it would be the beginning, the end of an in-breath and the beginning of another out-breath. But most of the current data suggests that, and they thought for a long time that maybe after
Starting point is 00:21:30 millions, billions years of expansion that our universe would then begin to clasp back on itself, but it's actually speeding up and it seems like we're gonna just sort of- Dissipate? Slowly, everything will just homogenize throughout the universe. So there's really no falling back together
Starting point is 00:21:47 and blowing up again. Who knows? I mean, that's what things, that's what it seems like right now, but they can make a new discovery to change that. Yeah, so if you go right before the Big Bang, would you be seeing stuff? I mean, you wouldn't see anything.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Even if things were coming back together. I mean, you said you'd anything. Even if things were coming back together. I mean, you said you'd only need a minute for this? Like the moment before the Big Bang, I don't think you would learn anything. No, I would either see a bunch of shit collapsing on itself right before it comes down to that moment, or I would see nothing. And you can't, I mean, literally, if nothing exists,
Starting point is 00:22:25 I couldn't see anything. Like where would I be placed? It doesn't exist. Maybe this is, I would just destroy myself by trying to see this. But again, we're- You're in a hypothetical safety bubble. Or maybe if I was to enter into some sort of like
Starting point is 00:22:43 spiritual state in which it was, oh, this is what you might call God existing on their own without any separate creation. And I'm assuming that in my hypothetical bubble, I would be able to witness that as well. That's a risky one though. I mean, it could really screw you up psychologically. I don't think the bubble could help with that.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I don't think it could protect you psychologically. And honestly, I don't know what would change in my life depending on the answer. Because as I, I mean, I may have not said this, but like- Based on this answer, I do not, okay. I think I know where you're going with another one. Because it's not that I don't believe in God. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:23:30 And if it turns, if I went back and I saw, oh no, this is purposeful, ultimately purposeful, and there's an intelligent being behind it, it's not like I would backtrack on everything and be like, well, I gotta go be a Christian again. Because the reasons I'm not a Christian are not based on a rejection of the Kalam cosmological argument. Because the reasons I'm not a Christian are not based on a rejection of the Kalam cosmological argument.
Starting point is 00:23:48 You know what I'm saying? Okay. It's like, the reason I'm not a Christian is because I don't believe the tenets of Christianity and the historical basis of Christianity is reliable. And maybe we'll get back to that one. All right, so are we gonna- Yeah, let's go back and forth.
Starting point is 00:24:04 Toss them in. What was the last thing that filled you with wonder We'll get back to that one. All right, so are we going to... Yeah, let's go back and forth. What was the last thing that filled you with wonder that took you away from your desk or your car in traffic? Well, for us, and I'm going to guess for some of you, that thing is... Anime! Hi, I'm Nick Friedman. I'm Lee Alec Murray.
Starting point is 00:24:19 And I'm Leah President. And welcome to Crunchyroll Presents The Anime Effect. It's a weekly news show. With the best celebrity guests. And hot takes galore. So join us every Friday wherever you get your podcasts and watch full video episodes on Crunchyroll or on the Crunchyroll YouTube channel. We're going to pick up with this conversation right here where we're going to leave it off for a second. Because, I mean, like I said, this is kind of an intimidating question for me.
Starting point is 00:24:45 I couldn't rattle off three things off the top of my head. I guess, I mean, it's because I was also thinking what would be a cool thing to witness? And then I said, and learn something, but also be fun to talk about. Honestly, that became another criteria. And the first thing that came to my mind was how did the Egyptians freaking build the pyramids?
Starting point is 00:25:11 That's a good one. I mean, the huge freaking pyramid. I mean, they haven't figured it out. Aliens. You got like 80 ton granite blocks. Aewolens as Locke used to say when he was a kid. What? Aewolens. Aewolens. Aewolens, it was Aewolens, Dadke used to say when he was a kid. What? Aewolons. Aewolons.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Aewolons, it was Aewolons, Dad. 80 ton granite stones, they had to move 500 miles. And so then I'm trying to figure out, well, if I'm gonna only be there for a day, I could definitely witness how they did it. Some people say slave labor, some people say that it's, well, it's skilled labor, there's hundreds of people, there's thousands of people.
Starting point is 00:25:48 They estimate that it took a couple of hundred years to build the pyramids. Really? Yes. Couple of hundred years? Yeah. Okay, then it probably wasn't aliens. Right, because they don't have- It's probably just people. They don't have that type of patience.
Starting point is 00:26:04 I think aliens would have done a lot faster. But look that up, verify. How long did it take to build the pyramids? Because you know how I am with numbers. So I had to try to figure out, okay, if I go back, I could kind of solve this mystery. I could say, well, this is how they did it. I'm into systems, into production systems
Starting point is 00:26:22 as an industrial engineer by degree. So I thought that would be cool. I thought I could come back and it'd be cool to say, well, when I was there, they were doing, I couldn't understand what they were saying. You know, it's like, I also assume that the language barrier is intact, which that's a problem.
Starting point is 00:26:41 100 years. 100 years. Edgar Case reported that it took 100 years to build the Great Pyramid. Most of the blocks were of limestone quarried at Giza or nearby. Well. Still a long time, but that's not an alien timeline.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Aliens would be like, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. You know, I think they're saying that the- A weekend. That the limestone rocks were from nearby, but they were just the outer part of the pyramid that now the vast majority of the pyramid that now, the vast majority of that is gone. Cause you know, cause I was trying to figure out. Cause it was smooth at one point.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Yeah, do I wanna see the pyramid like on the day of its completion, like whatever coronation or like, all right, where the ribbon cutting ceremony. First of all, I would just like to see the pyramids in general, but there's a lot of smog and I think- That smog is a problem? Smog is a problem.
Starting point is 00:27:32 And there's a lot of pollution there on the- Because Locke and I were thinking about, Egypt was one of the potential places on our list. You don't want to go when it's exasperatingly hot because I know how you look in shorts. I don't, can you wear shorts over there? Certain countries you just can't, you shouldn't be wearing shorts.
Starting point is 00:27:49 I believe you can as like a dumb tourist or something. But it seems, but. But they put limestone, smooth limestone pieces that they cut and made the whole outside of it smooth and white and this thing, I would have loved to have seen it during the ribbon cutting because it would have been a shimmering 450 foot tall pyramid.
Starting point is 00:28:11 It would have been awesome, but it's not as- In the middle of the desert. But I would- And I could still find out probably how they did it. No, you can't. Not during the coronation unless the aliens are still there and they like cut the ribbon and get in their saucer and go away.
Starting point is 00:28:21 I think I would go for one day while they were building it, like at the two thirds point, where they're still hauling, at some point where they're still hauling big rocks, because I can't talk to them. I can talk to them, but they wouldn't understand me. Right. But I think that's what I would do.
Starting point is 00:28:37 I kind of, I like where you're headed with this. Kind of an obvious answer. But I feel like, like I'd say 99.7% chance that if you went back in the middle of the building process, it would just be like, oh, okay, this engineering technique, that's impressive. Pulleys, levers, log roads, whatever. It would be some of the theories that exist already. pulleys, levers, log roads, whatever.
Starting point is 00:29:05 It would be some of the theories that exist already. But- There's a new theory. Is it gonna be like- They turn the desert into like mud roads. Yeah, I mean, it's something- I would be into that. Ultimately practical, but it'd be pretty cool
Starting point is 00:29:18 because you could come back and you could be on like one of those shows on sci-fi and you could be like, listen, I mean, I know this guy with the big hair thinks that aliens did it, but I, the man in the short shorts, I took a bubble back to the time and I can tell you definitively, people probably wouldn't believe you though. I mean, when I looked at like the ancient temples in Thailand
Starting point is 00:29:42 when I toured them and walked around them and walked right up to a lot of them. I mean, they're like, you know, they're not nearly as tall as the Great Pyramid or anything, but it was really cool to like, that's the first time I've ever been around ruins, you know, which I've talked about on this podcast before, but it was cool to just imagine what it was like
Starting point is 00:30:05 in its heyday. In its heyday, yeah. Ribbon cutting. But you could kinda go to other temples around Thailand and then see that too. So I didn't really feel like I needed to travel back in time. You could be like, this is what it looks like. This is what it probably looked like. Yeah, but that would be cool.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Okay, since we got four more to cover between the two of us. Yeah, what's your next one? My next one was the moment of abiogenesis. So the moment that the first life form came to be, right? That has to look boring. Like what are you, so you're talking about- Listen, again, I'm telling you my knee-jerk response. So you're talking about. I'm not, listen again, I'm telling you my knee jerk
Starting point is 00:30:47 responses now that I've thought about it more. It's like, yeah, I couldn't witness it. We're talking about bacteria, right? I wouldn't know what was going on. Well, probably something with like some amino acids coming together to form a more complex structure. Yeah, yeah, it's not really visible to the naked eye. But here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:31:05 What about just change it to dinosaurs? Just say dinosaurs. I'm not changing it because you gotta roll with me here and understand what I'm going for. Because again, I would have one minute, all I need is a minute to tell you whether one of two or three things is happening, right? So if you go back to this moment,
Starting point is 00:31:22 many people would say, well, that moment doesn't exist, right? There was never a moment in which life sprung from inorganic materials, right? Because God did it, right? According to the Bible or whatever your religious text of choice would be, right? So that there's not a moment, or if it was a moment,
Starting point is 00:31:42 it's something that you would be able to ascertain whether or not it was supernatural. But. So if you just asked to go back, if you rub the lamp and it was like, okay, I'm gonna send you back to the moment of, what did you call it? A-biogenesis.
Starting point is 00:31:53 A-biogenesis, yeah. Be like all of a sudden there would be like, Adam would show up and you'd be like, hey man. Right. But so I think there's a very, very small chance that that's anything like that happened, right? So that's not why I'm going back. And I actually think that if there is a God
Starting point is 00:32:10 who has a purpose for the universe, it would be very difficult to ascertain the purpose in any other moment in the history of the world other than right before the Big Bang, right? To me, that's a more definitive point because even if life sprung from inorganic material with a big bang, right? To me, that's a more definitive point because even if life sprung from inorganic material at some point in the distant past, and then it slowly has evolved into what we have today,
Starting point is 00:32:35 that's an amazing thing and that may require a God, but it isn't like you, it's the kind of thing you look at and there's a qualitative conclusion that you come to, which is I believe that there has to be a God for this process. It isn't like, I saw a big finger come in and touch the water. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:32:54 In other words, I don't think you would ascertain like a supernatural moment. So that's not really what I'm going for. But it's whether or not it did happen that way or if it was abelance. And I'm serious about this one because. Okay. Because I think that there's a, it's a legit.
Starting point is 00:33:12 First of all, can I just say as a tangent that, I mean, we know that there's, when I talked about Adam and Eve of it all, we know that there's Christians who think that if you went back in time, you would go back to a microscopic amino acid level, you know, point in the evolutionary process that then there are many that believe that like,
Starting point is 00:33:37 the first human, that that was part of it and they would go back there too. That's what I was saying. There's still an Adam that could be like, maybe there was some divine injection of a conscience, of a soul. No, that was my point. My point was if I went back to that moment that again,
Starting point is 00:33:54 like you said, many Christians believe in the scientific timeline of how things happen. They just think that God is responsible for it. And even if you were able to figure out how to synthesize amino acids into some more complex life form in a lab, all you're doing is proving that it takes some sort of intelligent input
Starting point is 00:34:13 in order to happen, right? And that's what God was responsible for. I get that. So back to what you're saying. That's not what I'm talking about. You went back to see if there was an alien deposit made on this planet. Right, because there's some really interesting things.
Starting point is 00:34:26 You got the Cambrian explosion, right, where all of a sudden in the fossil record, there's all these complex organisms that seem to kind of come out of nowhere on a geological scale. And so my best guess is there's still a natural explanation for all this stuff, but what if that- Yeah, I mean, you should look at the Cambrian explosion
Starting point is 00:34:44 on my right thigh. But what if that- Yeah, I mean, you should look at the Cambrian explosion on my right thigh. But what if the very first thing that happened was like us alien coming in with a little like, a little like little thing and it's like, bleep, like, oh here, let's syringe this planet. Why are you motioning a syringe from a nipple? All aliens extract life juice from their nipples. Doot, doot.
Starting point is 00:35:04 And it makes that noise. Sadly, I don't think you'd see anything because- Well, probably not, but I'd be able to come- An alien who's that advanced, even if the alien doot, doot, it would be some sort of, you probably wouldn't see anything. They're not gonna waste their time and energy
Starting point is 00:35:21 to physically show up and doink, doink. No, but I'm saying that in my hypothetical bubble, I would be able to be present, even if they, I'm not saying they showed up and squeeze it out of their literal nipple, but maybe they had like some sort of cosmic, you know, quantum powered needle that flew through the universe
Starting point is 00:35:39 and then tracked itself onto habitable planets and planted the seeds of life. What if that's what happened? What if that ends up being the explanation for why there's life on earth and elsewhere potentially? Because some other species- I just think they would be so advanced that you wouldn't be able to witness anything meaningful
Starting point is 00:36:00 to you. But anything out of the ordinary. Yeah. Anything mechanical, like I'm saying I think I would be able to see something. I think I'm influenced by the three body problem, but they start talking about like how different beings operate on so many different dimensions,
Starting point is 00:36:20 like fourth, fifth, 10th dimension that we can't even interact. We haven't talked about this. We're gonna not only do a podcast about it, but we've talked about how we're actually going to try to do it. But there are people, there's like a large movement out there.
Starting point is 00:36:36 And because the theory is that aliens are operating on a different plane of existence, what we might call a spiritual plane, you can actually, and sort of like a coast, what was the name of the Coast to Coast? What was that radio show? Coast to Coast, yeah. Who was the host of Coast to Coast?
Starting point is 00:36:52 Jim something. Bohannon? Maybe, I don't know. What a great show. But there's a lot of people and not just people that you would just traditionally call a quack, but people that seem to be- Now that you think you might be one, rather legitimate. just traditionally call a quack, but people that seem to be- Now that you think you might be one,
Starting point is 00:37:06 rather legitimate. They're not a quack. No, but I like to allow myself to believe the possibility. And we actually have some pretty good friends that we trust who have had experiences that are difficult to explain. I prefer the phrase entertain the possibility because I think that is part of my motive. Oh yeah. Even if it's not true, it's fun to engage in
Starting point is 00:37:30 and until it gets scary. Right, so anyway, that is something for the future that we may be legitimately trying to make contact with aliens. Okay, so my second one, I have to believe this is your third one. Oh, okay. I mean, the whole Jesus of it all.
Starting point is 00:37:48 You're going back in time, you know, I mean, if you grew up in a way different than us, you might say Buddha. Right. But, but. But probably not, and I'll explain why when I get to my answer. I had to say Jesus,
Starting point is 00:38:04 because I have, you know, I have so many questions that I hung my life on and then like now I've taken my coat rack off of the Jesus rod. Oh my God. And I'm, gosh, I didn't mean that. You should have thought about that analogy a little bit more. What's it called, the thing that you hang your clothes on?
Starting point is 00:38:26 A curtain rod, I mean, rod is the correct word. It's not a curtain rod, it's a closet rod. Right, yeah. And now I'm like, you know, my clothes are just all floating. So I'm trying to figure out, okay, is that, am I gonna go back to the, well, again, I'm thinking it's gotta be less than 24 hours, so I can't go back
Starting point is 00:38:46 to the execution of Jesus and then wait for three days and hang out at the right spot to see if he come, if he raises from the dead. I don't know why you're getting hung up on the timeline because yes, this is my third thing and I just said the resurrection or non-resurrection of Jesus. So the resurrection, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:07 I'm assuming that the person in charge of granting this wish, who ironically is probably God. Could plop you down in the right spot. Puts us in the right spot. In the tomb, inside of the tomb. Maybe outside of the tomb, you probably don't wanna be in it. I think I ended up landing on
Starting point is 00:39:24 when Jesus started appearing to people. When Jesus appeared to- But you wouldn't know what he looked like. When Jesus appeared to the disciples in the upper room. Yeah, I wouldn't know what he looked like, but- And even in the Bible, it talks about the first time that they saw him, they didn't even recognize him.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Yeah, that's interesting. Which is always interesting to me. So I, well, I thought about that. So you're shooting that down and then I'm like. Why not the moment? Okay, then what about just a miracle? Like witnessing. That's what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Well, not the resurrection because I think that's hard to witness. You mean like feeding the 5,000? Yeah, feed, like he's breaking. Walking on water. He's breaking up some loaves and fishes. Water to wine. Water to wine. Water to wine.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Restoring, bringing somebody back from the dead. What's the most. Restoring their eyesight. Yeah, I think it's gotta be, I think it's gotta be raising Lazarus from the dead. It's gotta be that one. I think that the feeding. That one's pretty. I think the feeding the 5,000 is one that you could not,
Starting point is 00:40:22 like Lazarus could have been, it could have been like, this guy hasn't been dead for as long as they realize or they thought, maybe he was just really sick. You know what I'm saying? There's other ways to squirrel out of that one, but defeating the 5,000 is like, all right, we got, You don't have to know the, We got a couple of fish and some loaves.
Starting point is 00:40:39 You don't have to know the medical condition of like someone, was he really blind before Jesus made the mud pie in his eye? Yeah, I was thinking about that one too, because like, I saw this kid bring this bread and this fish and I was right there and then it just boop, boop, boop, just kept coming.
Starting point is 00:41:02 And the reason I'm choosing the resurrection, because first of all, I think what would, I mean, my best guess, again, I'm in the upper 90% on this, not to be dismissive of any, many millions of people, billions of people believe that these things happen, I don't. So my best guess is that story,
Starting point is 00:41:23 the feeding of the 5,000, you would go back and either A, it never happened at all, like it's completely made up, or B, it's based on like this one time that, they made a lot of food go really far and it was pretty impressive and it got turned into the story that it is, whatever, right? But the resurrection. But if you went back to that time
Starting point is 00:41:47 and then it was a flop or nothing happened, be like, okay, it didn't happen. Okay, so that's what I wanted to get at because again, I guess that's not enough to rule out every other thing, but it would. Well, that's why I go back to the resurrection because it is the crux of it all, right? It sure is.
Starting point is 00:42:03 It's just hard to know. It's just hard to know. It's not hard to know. If you're in the tomb, yes, and he's dead and then all of a sudden he sits up. And it's not like he comes out all beat up. The dude comes out with a new body. And there's an angel there. Yeah, this is definitive stuff.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Okay, yeah. And also it is the crux of it all, just like Paul said, if Christ didn't rise from the dead, then this is all in vain. Like we should be pitied above all people. Okay, I'll go with that then. And so- That's a pretty big deal. But for me, the-
Starting point is 00:42:36 This should have been our first answer. Well, I was going- Chronologically. Chronological, but I was also kind of going to like the biggest question, which is, is there a purpose behind all this? And like I said, I tend to believe that, I tend to want to believe that there is.
Starting point is 00:42:54 And then there's a second question is like, is there some point of intervention in the origin of life? And then this is really zeroing in on something that is just very personal to us, right? The philosophy that we hung our clothes on, whatever your analogy was, for the majority of our lives and based a lot of our early life decisions on is predicated on the idea that this actually happened, right, that Jesus did raise from the dead
Starting point is 00:43:26 and then kind of everything flows from that and then you're able to take other things like feeding the 5,000 and be like, well, if he rose from the dead, sure he could do this, right? But I was interested in the fact that that was one of my answers, right? Because I think, again, it was a knee-jerk response, but I'm like, why do you want to go back to that moment?
Starting point is 00:43:52 Because you don't know. No, but see, I feel like I don't know, but I feel like, again, what are the- If you saw him racing to dead, you'd be blown away. You'd be like, that would be a surprise. That's not what you're expecting to see. Not even close to what I'm expecting to see. What I'm expecting to see is either,
Starting point is 00:44:13 I don't, I believe that the information we have about the post, the life of Jesus, and especially like the post-death events is like, I think it's legend, right? You know, I think that they're, I'm not one of these people that is saying that, well, this is my, I have subscribed to one of these, like the swoon theory or one of these other ideas
Starting point is 00:44:38 that he wasn't really dead. And then he fooled people into coming back. I would just be like, he just was a dude that was a, that everybody loved, and he got killed, and then because people wanted to keep his memory alive, they, you know, there's some, humans can frickin' invent all kinds of stuff, right?
Starting point is 00:44:59 I mean, look at what's happening in our country right now. There's a bunch of people who won't wear a damn mask. It's like, there's, and they'll die over this. So it's like, it doesn't take much. What you're saying is people die for all types of beliefs. Right. And also the whole idea that the disciples died for a lie is, and that's proof, it's super suspect
Starting point is 00:45:23 and we actually don't know that's the case because we don't actually know definitively, historically, the circumstances of their death. So anyway, but. I would really like to know though. It'd be better than talking about it like we are right now. Right. Hey, I was there.
Starting point is 00:45:36 But I think for me, it would be this like. The thing is there were people who say they were there and then it's. Right, right, but I guess what I'm saying is that. But it was not definitive. For me. It's frustrating. For me, it would it's... Right, right, but I guess what I'm saying is that- But it was not definitive, it's frustrating. For me, it would be this just like, okay, and I'm not saying that I legitimately, I do not sit up at night,
Starting point is 00:45:52 I don't think about this on a regular basis, but it was, when that question was asked, it was like, oh, let's scratch that off the list because not just for me personally, but again, it's not like I could come back and say, hey guys, it didn't happen. I went into the bubble and it didn't happen. And now all these people would be like,
Starting point is 00:46:08 well, we're not Christians anymore. It doesn't work that way. No. But it was this thing that's like, okay, that must still mean more to me than I even realize, right? The need to want to confirm the decision that I've made to come to the conclusion that it didn't happen. That I- Yeah, definitely. And I think a part of this is also,
Starting point is 00:46:28 I don't know if you, did you end up reading the Universal Christ by Richard Rohr? No. So Richard Rohr- Not yet, at least. Who's a Franciscan monk, who's written a bunch of incredible books from a very different perspective on Christianity than the one that we kind of came up with.
Starting point is 00:46:50 And it's definitely a much more palatable form of Christianity for me personally, but I really liked the way he thinks about the idea of what Jesus is and what Jesus represents and what the Christian life is all about. I mean, so much so that I'm like, oh, I can get into that. Like that's when I read his works,
Starting point is 00:47:16 that's how I think, because it's just like, it's a way to kind of capture the hope that I have and also apply it to the tradition that I still know relatively well, but not in a dogmatic way where it's just like, he basically take, so Christianity for me, most of my life was a set of, you know, principles, basically a set of statements that you had to agree with.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Right? And he's like, this isn't, we're not gonna, that's not what it is. basically a set of statements that you had to agree with, right? And he's like, this isn't, we're not gonna, that's not what it is, it's basically a way of being. And which is an attractive thing. But he talks, he believes in the resurrection. He actually talks about it in the universal Christ and talks about the moment of resurrection. He anticipates it being like you would see like light,
Starting point is 00:48:08 like pouring out of the tomb. Like I'm not gonna, I didn't have read it recently, so I'm not getting this right. But the idea that it was like a dude walking out and talking to people, and I'm not sure exactly what he believes, but he's basically saying that this is like a cosmic event that represents something much bigger
Starting point is 00:48:26 than traditionally we've kind of given it credit for. So I think that it was kind of on my mind a little bit. It's like, okay, well, if I go back and I see what I'm expecting, which is, you know, some natural explanation, body stolen, it wasn't even as eventful, maybe his body was consumed by animals, which has often happened to people who were crucified,
Starting point is 00:48:52 lots of different explanations. But if I went back and I saw the light, or I saw him emerge. Or even just an angel. It was like, hey, you just missed it like everybody else, by the way. Yeah. You know, I know, I'm sure it can be seen
Starting point is 00:49:13 as a beautiful thing, but to me, it's a frustrating thing. It's like something so momentous, like no one saw it. No one saw it. I mean, and then they, yeah, people, Jesus appeared to, you know, people afterward. According to Paul, up to 500 at one time. But it was a small movement, man. And it wasn't, you know, it's like, it's frustrating.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Well, I- It's frustrating. Again, I think knowing what we know about the way people work about the way people work and the way people begin to believe things and the people's disposition to believe things, it is not unbelievable to me at all that there could have been absolutely nothing that happened that and still the movement would have started.
Starting point is 00:50:02 I know people say that like you can't explain the beginning of Christianity without the resurrection. I just disagree with that. But I think that if I saw it. Because look at the other movements that started. Right, there's all kinds of. Look at all types of movements. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Big and small. And, but I think that the idea, because I think the question is if I were to see something, if I were to see something that was not what I was expecting but it was the resurrection in some form, like what would that do to me, right? Would I have all of a sudden be like, okay, I take back everything I said,
Starting point is 00:50:38 I take back all the issues that I have with the historical claims, I take back all the issues that I have about the, you know, the scientific stuff, archeological stuff. No, I don't think that I would, but I would be like, oh, okay, there is something here that's very significant and might be the reason that we're all here. And it's got something to do with Jesus.
Starting point is 00:51:05 And again, there are plenty, I mean, I think Richard Rohr is an example of it. There are plenty of Christians who don't get hung up on those things that I would have had an issue with and were the reasons that I left, who kind of hold to the core tenet that Jesus represents this, you know, restoration of God,
Starting point is 00:51:34 you know, reconciliation of God and people, that broken relationship being healed. But I kinda, there's a part of me that is, I don't dispute that anyway. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, that's cool, I'm okay with that.. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, that's cool. I'm okay with that. I may not be personally practicing it or experiencing it, but I don't have a problem with that idea.
Starting point is 00:51:55 I don't have a problem with any of the stuff that Richard Rohr said in his book, in other words. I would like to think that I am open in the same way that if I went back, if I could do this exercise, that I would be open to whatever on the other side of that time warp that I would witness. I would try to be as open as possible.
Starting point is 00:52:19 I would try to be as open as possible now, but it's like, I don't know exactly what to look for. If I went back there, I would kind of know what to look for. It's like, ah. Well, I mean, you know, our best friend, Mike McCarg, wrote a book about this in a lot of ways, right? So he was an evangelical Christian. He became an atheist because of kind of studying,
Starting point is 00:52:40 like reading a lot. And then- It's called Finding God in the Waves if you're interested. And then he had this supernatural experience with Jesus. Yeah. And so he would still call himself a Christian, but does he hold to the evangelical tenets of the faith? Not even close, but he holds to the idea
Starting point is 00:53:03 that there's a loving God with a purpose for this world. Jesus doesn't make you an evangelical. Yeah, and Jesus is a central part of that for him. So, and again, he's way smarter than I am, and he's a close friend, and I'm not gonna dispute his experience. But for me, it would be- But it was a mystical encounter.
Starting point is 00:53:24 And if I had, and so I feel like if I had a, and I am, I continue to be open to that kind of encounter. I mean, just a second ago, I was talking about potentially connecting with aliens. So I'm open to quite a bit. But the, I think it would just, it would give me a little bit of motivation to move in a particular direction from a spiritual standpoint.
Starting point is 00:53:48 That's what it would do. Well, I've got one more. Cause I mean, we could talk about this all day. Right. But to complete my exercise, I was like, man, I gotta swing the pendulum a little bit. I mean, what would just be fun? Like I'd love to have one that was just like,
Starting point is 00:54:07 I mean, what would I enjoy the most going back to? And I was like, it probably has something to do with music. That would be cool to like witness. The first music? The first caveman to go like, doh, doh, doh, doh, doh. And he'd go, hey, hey, hey. What is happening?
Starting point is 00:54:27 I think I'm singing. Do you think the first song came before the first word? Was it like, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, that was it. What is smoke on the water, how does it start? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You think smoke on the water was made
Starting point is 00:54:52 by a caveman who couldn't speak? I believe. It's the most caveman-like riff. Oh, oh, oh. I don't think, that's not my answer, is what I'm going, it's not, I quickly moved on from any of those thoughts into, well, I was like, I mean, it would be cool to go to Woodstock
Starting point is 00:55:11 or like the last Waltz, the band's last concert. I mean, but then I'm like, you know, I'm not much of a concert guy. Well, I mean, the Beatles' last performance on like the rooftop of the Apple building. Man, that would have been cool, but I'm not that big of a Beatles fan. And I was like, well, I'll probably just have to go
Starting point is 00:55:34 with a Merle Haggard thing. Okay, can I guess what you went with? Yes, because you're going to be wrong. Well, I thought you were gonna say when Johnny Cash performed in San Quentin and Merle Haggard was in the crowd. Oh, that would be a good Well, I thought you were gonna say when Johnny Cash performed in San Quentin and Merle Haggard was in the crowd. Oh, that would be a good one, but that would, so then I would be in, I'd be like,
Starting point is 00:55:53 oh, that would be cool. I didn't even think of that. That's a good one. Well, you'd be a bubble above Merle. And I'd be, I'd have to find Merle in there. You could find him. That would be really cool. I actually settled on the recording session for my favorite Merle in there. You can find it. That would be really cool. I actually settled on the recording session for my favorite Merle song.
Starting point is 00:56:09 I'm Always on a Mountain When I Fall is my favorite Merle song, which incidentally he did not write. So that kind of makes me want to change my mind. You know, the album from 1978, I'm Always on a Mountain When I Fall, also the title track, which is my favorite, and then It's Been a Great Afternoon is the second track,
Starting point is 00:56:32 which is maybe my second role song, talking about having a hangover and then having an afternoon delight to get over. It's like, okay, you can write this stuff and it'd be on country radio in 1978. Yeah. So I would travel back to the year I was born and instead of going to the concert,
Starting point is 00:56:53 I would love to be hanging out in the recording session because I love those songs because those two songs in particular, they represent my favorite Merle songs because of the production and the decisions that are made and the musicianship. Someone like Britton, I interact with him with music a lot and he's so into live music and he's connected with that,
Starting point is 00:57:20 but that's something that we never really did that much. I feel like we missed out on that, but the way that he talks about it, but there is something magical about being attached to a song, a particular performance of a song that was laid down and it was, let's say it was the most like they, he wanted it to be.
Starting point is 00:57:42 So it's like every pluck of the string or every, you know, every hit of the hand on the lap, you know how on, it's been a great afternoon, the drum beat is just a guy playing his lap with his hands. It's just so creative. And you know, you feel like you're in the room and I would love to be in the room and say, and see that happening.
Starting point is 00:58:03 So every, cause every time you listen to the song, it's like, I was there the one time that they laid down this track forever. You know? I was in a bubble. I was in a bubble. I was in a safe bubble in the corner. They didn't know I was there. No, I would want to, I would want to talk to them.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Just hanging out. I think, I think in my old age, I just want to hang out in recording studios. Maybe I'll be like a recording studio janitor slash sound engineer. Recording studios are going away though, man. People are just doing it in their bedrooms. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:32 That's another reason. I don't wanna be just a person in someone's bedroom, which is weird. So I would go back to 1978. Merle's first album with, when he left Capitol and went to MCA, he was like, he was kind of faltering a little bit. He wanted to try something new.
Starting point is 00:58:48 He brought his band over and like he had this- Jazzy stuff. Yeah, he had this renaissance. The album after that was serving 190 proof, you know? That's one of his best albums. That might be my favorite Merle album. But this was the moment where it was like, maybe in the studio you could sense
Starting point is 00:59:04 that there was a turning point, because it was, and I would know that. So it was like, oh, this is exciting. And it seems just like, I don't know how it would seem. You know, maybe it would suck. I'm sure it would be awesome, but it would probably also be somewhat underwhelming, right? That opening acoustic, like,
Starting point is 00:59:21 you know, at the beginning. Because the way that the- Just watching that happen, and being committed to tape. Yeah, I mean, they probably. Oh, it was the seventh take. It was the seventh take they used. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:59:34 Yeah, but I would be there for that take. Now, that would be cool enough. When you hear it six times. That'd be better than in the heat of the Egyptian desert, saying, oh yeah. No, the bubble is air conditioned. Oh, it is? Yes, you could be naked in the bubble, and no one can. No, the bubble is air conditioned. Oh, it is? Yes, you can be naked in the bubble
Starting point is 00:59:46 and no one can see you, you can't get hurt. You know, I mean, if- No, I wanna talk to people as like a wandering stranger. Well, that's a different thing, being able to- I mean, if Jesus rose from the dead, I would want to have a conversation with him. Well, yeah, you can talk from it, they can hear you. It would kind of be disconcerting for Merle probably.
Starting point is 01:00:05 There's a naked man in a bubble. I mean, it would change the trajectory of- If you can have a conversation, then that's a violation of the rules because at that point you can change it. Because when I thought more about this, I did think, you know, practically speaking, I would go back to like, however coronavirus started, right?
Starting point is 01:00:24 Most likely somebody ate something, right? That's the best theory at this point. I thought we were gonna go the whole episode without talking about coronavirus. We already talked about masks. Maybe it was engineered by somebody. Okay, maybe that happened. But like go back to the moment where it was starting
Starting point is 01:00:43 and be like, whoa, no, no, no, no, let's not eat that. Or let's not release that into the world. That's a different exercise. Yeah, but you can't do that, you can't go back. Then there's lots of things we wanna change. Right, and you know what, maybe that would be wrong because maybe the world is experiencing exactly what it's supposed to be experiencing right now.
Starting point is 01:01:06 It's all part of it. It's all part of the process. Well, I'm glad we talked about this. I was afraid I was gonna look like an idiot, honestly. I was like, man, I don't wanna answer this question because I feel like there's some really good answers and I'm just gonna give stupid answers. I think you gave good answers.
Starting point is 01:01:22 It doesn't matter. They're my answers. They're your answers. And I came to grips good answers. It doesn't matter. They're my answers. They're your answers. And I came to grips with that. Right. But thanks for trying to reassure me. I'm not an idiot, but. What are your answers?
Starting point is 01:01:32 Hashtag Ear Biscuits. Oh, but you've got a wreck. I got a wreck. Yeah. Oh boy, do I have a wreck. Oh man, I was trying to come up with a wreck and man, I was like, man, I'm gonna look like an idiot. No. I'm gonna look like an idiot.
Starting point is 01:01:47 I'm frustrated. I do feel like my world's gotten so damn small that I'm like, I've even, I just, my level of enjoyment has gone down. I gotta turn a corner. I know I was a bit of a downer last week. I don't, you know, this is a lot of fun having this conversation. Good.
Starting point is 01:02:08 My recommendation, the best, I discovered a new snack. The snacks that always blow us away and that are also healthy are these Blue Diamond almonds. Every time we have them on the show. Not a sponsor though. Not a sponsor. We're just gushing about these bold flavored almonds, like the salt and vinegar and then the sriracha.
Starting point is 01:02:29 And you can buy a variety pack. I don't know how we got these in our house, but I am recommending the habanero barbecue almonds. Oh, that sounds good. Bold flavor. If you're afraid of spicy hot things, you might not want to try these. So that's why I'm making this recommendation because- Because they're not actually hot.
Starting point is 01:02:47 They're not actually hot. And they're so good. It's just crazy. They're better than the Sriracha? Yeah, to me, they're definitely better than Sriracha. And they're better than the salt and vinegar. They have a better flavor. But it's nice to have the variety,
Starting point is 01:03:04 but that is my wrecking effect this week is the habanero barbecue blue diamond almonds. Sometimes all you need is a good snack. All you need, and yeah, just a handful of nuts is a healthy snack. We've got the salt and vinegar here. Because we got a crate of salt and vinegar, and what we should have gotten was a crate
Starting point is 01:03:26 of the variety pack, which they sell. Yeah, because I like the Sriracha better than the salt and vinegar. And I guess I'm gonna like habanero. What is it? And I've gotten tired of those two. That's why I'm so happy to find. A lot of people like the wasabi
Starting point is 01:03:40 and I like wasabi on my sushi, but I do not like the wasabi nuts. There you have it. Hashtag Ear Biscuits. Let us know what your answer is. If you could travel anywhere in the past. It doesn't have to be three. It doesn't have to be three.
Starting point is 01:03:53 Yeah, it'd just be one. It'd just be one. You'll be in a bubble, unclothed. You'll be naked. But you'll be, it's temperature controlled. You can just wear, you can wear shorts and not be ashamed of it. Yeah, you- Let everybody see
Starting point is 01:04:04 the rash on your thigh. No one will see you, they can't see you because then you could alter it because then you could just do like sign language and alter history. They can't see you, it's an invisible bubble. But you can get as close as you want to anything. You can go back to the moment of your own conception.
Starting point is 01:04:20 That would be horrible. Yeah, that would be really weird.

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