Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 261: Do We Believe In Ghosts? | Ear Biscuits Ep.261

Episode Date: October 26, 2020

Have we ever seen a ghost? Do we believe friends who have? It’s all fun and games and beavers until someone sees a dark angel crouching in a fireplace. Listen to R&L discuss a number of true scary stories, including a horrific experience of one Mythical crew member, and their insight into the supernatural on this episode of Ear Biscuits! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is Mythical. Make your nights unforgettable with American Express. Unmissable show coming up? Good news. We've got access to pre-sale tickets so you don't miss it. Meeting with friends before the show? We can book your reservation. And when you get to the main event, skip to the good bit using the card member entrance.

Let's go seize the night. That's the powerful backing of American Express. Visit amex.ca slash yamx. Benefits vary by card, other conditions apply. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I'm Link. And I'm Rhett.

This week at the Round Table of Dim Lighting, we are going through your answers to the question that we posed to you, which was, what's the scariest situation that you've ever been in? So, I mean, you know, it's just that time of the year. Spooky, spooky. I mean, personally, it's always that time of the year

for me, I'm always willing to be scared. And I don't think that we should just limit horror and darkness to just one day a year. It seems dumb to me, let's open it up to the entire year. And I think that's happening. I think lots of people are like, if you've got a horror movie, it doesn't have to come out in the fall anymore.

It could come out in January and people are happy. You know what? I'm gonna make you eat your words, I think, by the end of this conversation, because I think we're not just gonna be talking about entertaining, getting scared for the sake of the thrill, by the end of this conversation, I fully intend to be talking about, have either one of us ever seen a ghost?

Do we believe friends who claim that they haven ever seen a ghost? Do we believe friends who claim that they haven't seen a ghost? And is that something that- Or have. Have seen a ghost? And do you want, do you really want to experience that type of spook? Well, I'm not gonna- Like, that goes beyond spooking.

I'm not gonna answer that question directly right now, but what I will say is I do find it interesting that you see what appears to be a very, very dark and broad demarcation between real scary stuff and entertainment, whereas I see them as being exactly in the same boat. Okay, yeah, and I'm gonna call you on that because I can't believe-

Just because it's negative and scary. I can't believe that's true. Just because I fear for my life doesn't mean it's not entertaining. It's just different kind of entertainment. Listen, it's all fun and games and beavers until somebody sees a crouching dark angel in their fireplace, okay?

That's all I'm saying. And that's what we're gonna talk about eventually, if you have the guts to stick around. I do wanna, I do have a question for you. If you're in conversation, whatever the context, and you want to say, essentially, let's zero in on this particular subject, or let's get a little bit closer.

What phrase might you use to say that? Are you asking me because you wanna know or are you framing me because you think I'm wrong? Well, we were in a meeting earlier today, right? And this isn't, I don't, this isn't like, honestly, this isn't a pet peeve of mine. Like I don't really care, but it hit me that I know what you're talking about. Someone else said it and then you said it and I don't really care, but it hit me that someone else said it

and then you said it and I was like. Oh, and we said the same thing? And you both said it the same way, which I believe is technically incorrect. Again, I don't- I think I would say, and I think I did say, I wanna hone in on this thing. And I believe that most people- And I know that you say hone in.

And I think that most people say hone in, but, and I said hone in for a really long time and so I don't know who it was, somebody pointed out that that's not correct. It's home in. Yeah, so if you hone something, that's like sharpening something. Like you wanna sharpen that and you would never,

you don't hone in on anything. Yeah, if you hone something, you bring it down to a sharp point. Yeah. You hone into one particular detail. Yeah, so visually it works. If I'm gonna hone in on something. That's not what you're thinking.

Is this gonna get spooky or are you just, is this another conversation? It's just a different conversation. Oh, okay. But like a home in, like what would that mean? Like homing beacon? A homing pigeon goes to a location. So if you want to home, you home in on something.

Now, I'm not saying that technically- You only home in on your home, but you can hone in on anything that can come to a point. Well, but is that how you're actually seeing it when you say hone in? Absolutely, that's how I see it. When you say hone in, you picture something getting sharper?

Yeah, and you know what, I think I'm wrong, but I think I'm actually in a more defensible position and it should be changed, dictionary.com. Who's in charge of this now? Society, man. Well, that's the thing is that words, here's the reason that I wanted to talk about it, but I also don't have strong feelings about it

because words- Because you could be wrong. Oh, I know that, I think that I am technically, according to the English language, I think that I'm right. But what I'm getting at is the English language is just a, in all language, is just a representation of some principle. So it's not really an exact science. Hmm.

Writersdigest.com, the verb hone means to sharpen and make more cute. Yeah, we knew that. As in honing a talent. Yes, you don't hone in a talent. In a verb form, home as to home in on means to move or be aimed toward a destination or target with great accuracy.

And that's what I'm thinking about. Missiles home in on targets. Yeah, so if I wanna home in on a subject. You're correct, but you're- To focus. But the spirit of your answer is not right. That's not true. I'm just saying, so if you do find yourself

in a situation where you're interacting with like, like if you're at a job interview, there is potentially a scenario. You wouldn't hire somebody who said hone in? No, I wouldn't, but what I'm saying is you might be in an interview with someone who cares about that, especially if like you're in an interview to be like a writer's assistant

or something where your command of the English language is really important and there may be somebody out there who interviews people and if they say hone in, they choose not to hire them. I'm just trying to look out for everybody. I mean, I appreciate your defense of it. I mean, Merriam-Webster is hone wrong. The verb hone also dates to the 1700s, just like home.

Its original meaning is to sharpen or smooth with a whetstone. By the early 20th century, another meaning had developed to make more acute, intense, or effective. Instead of just honing blades, people were now honing skills. Yeah, you can hone a skill. Is the narrowing or sharpening of focus implied?

But can you hone in a skill? Is the narrowing or sharpening of focus implied in the figurative meaning of hone that seems to have made hone in seem like the right phrase to some rather than home in. The use of hone in dates to around 1965, which makes it only about 10 years newer than the figurative use of home in.

We have enough evidence of hone in in use that we enter it in our dictionaries. As the note at the entry makes clear, however, home in remains significantly more common and is the version to use if you want to avoid criticism. So that's exactly what I'm saying. Zero in is also an option if you want to avoid the similar H words altogether.

Yeah, zero in. Let's zero in on this. I'm just gonna say zero in from now on because I don't wanna have this conversation ever again. Let's get the 50,000 foot in on this. I'm just gonna say zero in from now on because I don't wanna have this conversation ever again. Let's get the 50,000 foot view of this. That's another thing that- 5,000 foot or it's 2,000. No one says the same number, but I believe-

50,000 grand candy bar. That 10,000 or 50,000 are the acceptable answers. 5,000 is too close. I'd rather get spooky than open up another Merriam-Webster debate. All right, let's read the first answer to our question. From Haley, who says- Swiftly Mythical.

So I love Halloween, costumes, decorations, scary movies, everything. Can I jump in here and say, Halloween's really hurting this year. Yeah. I mean, my kids were talking about costumes a few weeks ago and then I never heard anything else about it because I think it dawned on them

that like we ain't going trick or treating. You gonna dress up at home? Yeah, it's not happening for us. Do a show for each other? I'm sure it's happening for some people, but it ain't happening for us. The people I feel most sorry for are the people who, it's not the trick or treaters.

I mean, it's the people who go all out and make their houses incredible for everyone to enjoy. And I think they may still do that. The thing about, I'm seeing decorations. Cause you can like just drive by it. I was really starting to enjoy Halloween. Like last Halloween was the first Halloween that, you know, because Britton was living with me

and he's so obsessed with Halloween and he really connected with you and your love of Halloween. He goes to all of those haunted houses and scary zones. Scary zones, yeah. He started taking me and Lillian Lincoln to some of those, like you and Locke with us to Universal Studios last year. And I started to get how much fun it can be.

Like we had a blast. All the stuff that happened in those few nights that we spent at like the horror night places that we went last year would come up in conversation and we would just laugh our heads off, man. And it's fun. I'm like, you know what? I'm starting to get it.

But now we can't get it. If you're not in some drive-through car type haunted situation that you gotta buy a ticket well in advance. That is happening, yeah. Then I'm just, along with most anything else, I'm skipping out, so. Well, and there's the question. Yeah, like Hailey, I loved Halloween almost.

Is a gap in these haunted houses gonna throw it off so they don't do it next year? You know what I'm saying? No, no. No. Some people might not do it. They'll be back with a vengeance. I hope they will. Okay, about two years ago, I was preparing for a costume and I had this moldable plastic that turned squishy

when submerged in hot water and hardened when it dried. I thought it would be perfect to make some fake teeth. There are even tutorials for it on YouTube, so I felt pretty safe doing it. However, I missed a very big disclaimer. Do not use said technique if you have braces. And guess what I have? Braces.

I slathered the sticky plastic all over my top teeth and waited for it to dry. It was thick. So at what point did it dawn on Haley that this was dumb? When I decided to take it off, it hardened and connected in between my braces wire.

Oh gosh. It was like a bug in amber. This shit was not coming off. I had to pour 150 degree water in my mouth to get it somewhat moldable again. Well, 150 degrees, I mean, did you have a thermometer? You may have thought it was hot, but 150 degrees. If we're picking this story apart,

I don't know what we're gonna do when we get to the ghost stories. I thought my braces were going to be ruined and my teeth were going to break out of my mouth. I was sweating and crying and shaking for at least 20 minutes before the plastic came out and everything was okay. Spoiler alert.

My teeth were loose for a few hours after that. Oh, dang. Teeth were loose. Moral of the that. Oh dang, teeth were loose. Moral of the story, don't skip disclaimers. I mean, I definitely relate to A, skipping over disclaimers and doing something impulsive and stupid. I mean, it's that feeling you get

when you put your head between the railing as a kid. Two trains. No, no. When you're a kid and you put your, you're like, you can't look over the railing as a kid. Two trains. No, no. When you're a kid and you put your, you're like, you can't look over the railing, so you just stick your head between the two spokes of the railing that protects you from something so you can get a better view of it.

And then all of a sudden you realize you can't get your head back out. Right. Or the, I mean, even as an adult, I've taken a ring and I've put it on the wrong finger and I've smooshed it all the way down and then realized I can't get it back over my knuckle. And there's this feeling of panic.

I'm gonna have to go to the ER. It's like, you know, it's that wave that comes over your whole body. That's like, oh my God, I'm going to, they're gonna have to call firemen. You know, I'm gonna be on a TikTok. But I think the thing is, is that with the ring thing, which definitely has happened to me,

especially like you put it on a different hand and linear, like I started wearing this like fit fitness ring. And if I put it on my, if actually, if I like go on a long walk at night, my hand will kind of swell up, but I don't panic anymore. Cause I'm like, I can get soap and water. But like you think about the people going to the ER

and if you know an ER doctor, you've heard all the stories. It's usually something that you've stuck up your rear end. That is what is like the most embarrassing stories. So I just feel like as long as you don't stick strange things up your rear end, you're probably gonna be okay. You're probably not gonna be too embarrassed. Okay, I'm really trying to like send that home.

You shouldn't be scared. You shouldn't be scared. Like really, really zero in on that. A ring or even like head through the banister. I mean, all those are situations. Did one of your kids get his head caught in the banister? I mean, probably. My kids have gotten caught and-

I distinctively remember Shepard, I'm pretty sure it was Shepard, getting his head caught in a banister. It seems very familiar, but I don't remember the story. It's very on character, on brand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate that moment, man. I experienced that moment too much.

The wave of stupidity just washing over me. Should not have done that. Yeah, this is, yeah, that's scary, but it's, you know, it's not, there's no demons yet. All right, fine. I got some demons for you. Shop Best Buy's ultimate smartphone sale today. Get a Best Buy gift card of up to $200 on select phone activations with major carriers. Visit your nearest Best Buy store today. Terms

and conditions apply. All right, next question or next answer. Nicole Bursey tweeted at us. Oh, this is a note that's been tweeted. So buckle in. My first real vacay, first plane trip, I went to Cuba with my boyfriend. During dinner, out of nowhere, he slumped over on the table and fell to the floor. Oh my God. Dragging the tablecloth and dishes with him.

He made it dramatic. I was sure he was dead. My future flashed before my eyes. I immediately saw myself having to fly home alone and to tell his family. The waiters picked him up and carried him away, me running behind. Some older gentlemen said, put him down

and threw a pitcher of ice water on his head. And he woke up. It's like a cartoon. He woke up. It turns out he hiccuped and it gave him a weird pain and he just fainted. I had never seen someone faint before. So you've, Nicole, girl, you've never been on a vacation.

You've never been on a plane trip. You've never, okay, I can understand that, but you've never seen somebody faint before? She's lived a sheltered life. But even if you have seen someone faint before, this scenario, I would be thinking like choking. I mean, but just like dropping dead, I would be thinking heart attack.

Or like an aneurysm or something. Yeah, aneurysm. You'd be very scared. But she had never seen someone faint before. Apparently it's a thing in his family. I was up all night waking him up and he's like, I promise I'm not gonna die. Can you stop waking me up?

So anyway, we've been together for 21 years now. And when my son fainted earlier this year, I didn't think he was dead. So that's progress. Now I- It's like a goat. It's like one of those goats. The family has fainting goat genes. I've seen someone faint,

and the most memorable fainting experience was when Will Thomas fainted in the front row of chorus when we were like at Lillington. Like we went to the other school and he like fell in the front row during Christmas. I were like at Lillington, like we went to the other school and he like fell in the front row during Christmas. I wasn't in that choral ensemble. He was the first of I think three people, this urban legend that multiple people fainted.

But he fell, he was on the front row and had no one to catch him so he fell straight down like a stack of bricks just. Like a tower falling, like his nose hit the ground first. He did not catch himself. Yeah, and the fact that other people fainted right after that is what is so crazy. Don't lock your knees.

But I fainted three times. When you're singing. Three times in my life that I can remember. The first time was when I got the news about my herniated discs in the doctor's office. I've told that story before. The second time was when I got the news about my herniated discs in the doctor's office. I've told that story before. The second time was when I went to get shots in my back for my herniated discs and they hooked me up to an IV. And usually the blood thing and the IV thing

is not a big deal. And I was sitting in a wheelchair because they were wheeling me to the operating room and they like put this thing in my arm and I just like went and just fainted. And it was just like, I didn't think I was scared. Did they pour cold water on you? Nope, no, and I immediately woke up.

And I think again, I didn't tell anybody. You didn't tell anybody. And then the third time. I just fell asleep for a second. Oh, I'm sleepy today. You were present for when we were kind of on like a little mini getaway with some friends. Yeah, we were hanging out with friends.

And our wives were there and I was not feeling well. Yeah, I noticed that you were sitting on the couch for a long time, you're quiet. I was like, man, we're having a good time. Why is Rhett so quiet? And a bit green. I wasn't feeling well. And then like Jessie looks at me and she's like, you, we're having a good time. Why is Rhett so quiet? And a bit green. I wasn't feeling well. And then like Jessie looks at me and she's like,

you don't look well. I was like, yeah, I think I need to just go lay down in the back, like leave this conversation and go like lay down in the back of the house. And it's one of those things where you were talking to Jessie, but everybody stopped and heard you say, yeah, I think I need to go lay down. It's like, it's such a strange thing for you to say,

you know, but it's not, I mean, you're wearing a green hat. You weren't that green, but like the- The- I look sick. The light spilling off of your very green hat onto your face. I'd lost my color. You literally had turned a little bit green.

And so I stood up to walk across, like across the living room and kitchen into the back area of the house where I was gonna lay down. And the next thing I remember. We're all seated. The next thing I remember, you can tell me your perspective in a second, but the next thing I remember is waking up.

And when you wake up, like when you've really fainted. Yeah. You wake up and actually, so I've actually fainted more than three times because I did that stupid thing in high school or middle school where you made each other faint, which you shouldn't do, but we did it all the time. And I just remember you see like a pinpoint of light

that slowly gets bigger and it got a little bit bigger and the space was surrounded by blackness was filled with your wife's face. Just Christy's face. Yeah, you were having an angelic vision. And I was like, what is happening? And then the circle got a little bit wider and there was my wife's face.

Yeah, behind. And I was like, what? And then it got wider and wider. And then I, and like, it took me, it took me a good while to really get back to. Oh yeah, it did. Like, oh, you fainted, you got up. So what did you see?

Well, you got up and you took a step and the best I can recall, everyone was seated watching you. And then, I mean, you're so freaking tall. I just didn't know, like, is that how he gets up? I've never really noticed that he's like swaying that much. Never really watched him get up. He sways like a tree when he gets up.

Yeah. And you said you didn't feel good, so I was like watching. And then it's like, it was as if you were in, you were stepping in quicksand and you took an, but really what had happened, you know how when someone's like, like that Steve Carell joke,

where that cheesy joke where you like go behind a desk and you look like you're going down steps. Like there was no desk or nothing to block the view of you. But as I looked at your head, it seemed as if you were going, descending into quicksand, but really you were just slowly like taking a knee. And then I'm pretty sure that Christy was the one who kind of caught you. going, descending into quicksand, but really you were just slowly like taking a knee. And then I'm pretty sure that Christy was the one

who kind of caught you. It was a stone floor. I could have really gotten hurt. Yeah, it was a stone floor and there was one step up, like in the middle of nowhere, like a random step in the middle of the room. Yeah. Like dual level living room.

And so like you took a knee and then you hit the other knee and then like you were just totally limp. You were gone. And yeah, I'll have to ask Christy, but I'm pretty sure she's the one who like caught you and made sure you didn't hit your head. Well. Cause she's very fixated after she hit her head,

you know, three and a half years ago, people not hitting their head and no one else had the gumption to move. No one else reacted. We were all dumbstruck. No one else reacted. And then we were like, it was silence. Like you were just, she was like, she was like under your weight and then like,

put you down. And Christy was the only one with any sense. Like no one else was saying anything. No one was reacting well. She did a really good job. She like became a nurse. She was like, go get a wet towel. He's fainted. Well, you know, and they got a wet towel.

You were out for a while because they went and got a wet towel, wrung it out, brought it back over and then handed it to Christy. And then Christy's like, it was very weird from my perspective. Cause I mean, it's not like, I mean, I don't see her ever dabbing your face with a wet towel.

That's just not the nature of your relationship. It's only happened a couple of times. It's not the nature of your relationship, right? So it's like, there's my wife caring for my best friend like she would a baby. I mean, I was as helpless as a baby. And I felt so, it was very weird. I was as helpless as a baby. It was weird. Well, the funny thing is, is I don't know if this happens

to you. And then you came to and you could not make sense of what had happened. I don't know. And you were embarrassed. This happens to you. And I don't know if it's my height or some underlying, I'm sure I'm gonna get internet diagnosed, which happens all the time. Hashtag Ear Biscuits.

But I, for my entire life, if I'm like kneeling down for an extended period of time and I get up too quickly, like I'll have to like hold myself up against the- The blood's got a long way to go to get back to that walnut brain of yours. And I thought that that's what was happening because I can remember that feeling.

And I was like, oh, it's one of those things where, and this also happened like when I hurt my knee earlier this year skiing. And like, I was sitting at the dinner table and we were talking about it. And again, I started thinking, I started, I was like, I gotta go to the bathroom and like splash my face with water.

And on the way to the bathroom, I started feeling it happening. I was like, oh no, I'm gonna faint in this restaurant. But I like held myself up. You better be holding on to stuff. Yeah, and I mean, I usually do. It's just that scenario, there was nothing to hold on except your wife.

Yeah, there was nothing. Yeah. And of course my fainting story of when like, I was Christmas time, I was opening the Barbie. Yeah. That at my in-laws house that my daughter got on Christmas morning. My father-in-law gave me his knife out of his pocket

and I cut open the Barbie plastic shell and I cut my finger, immediately panicked, ran out of the room, ran into the kitchen, put my finger under the kitchen sink. I don't know why, you wanna run water over it for some reason. And next thing I knew, the iris was opening up and all I could see

was my father-in-law's face and I was in his arms. Yeah. And that is not the nature of our relationship. Either, and again, I never lived that down. After you faint, you don't have any like immediate energy to be like, oh, I'm sorry, it's just, you're just a baby. You're just like, like you can't say anything. You just, it's almost like a rebirth.

It's like I was reborn. You know, you go through the whole process of like learning to speak again and learning to walk again. So it is scary. I mean, there's a spooky element to it because you've lost time. And then you're being immediately ridiculed in both of our cases.

Like, we felt so bad, but we didn't make fun of you to your face. You went to bed and they were like, dang, that was weird. What was the last thing that filled you with wonder that took you away from your desk or your car in traffic? Well, for us, and I'm going to guess for some of you,

that thing is... Anime! Hi, I'm Nick Friedman. I'm Lee Alec Murray. And I'm Leah President. And welcome to Crunchyroll Presents The Anime Effect. It's a weekly news show

with the best celebrity guests. And hot takes galore. So join us every Friday wherever you get your podcasts and watch full video episodes on Crunchyroll or on the Crunchyroll YouTube channel. Nicola Merbra, at Nick the Chick, tweeted at us, I got chased by beavers one night in an oar propelled John boat.

Okay, so she was just by the power of rowing. She was trying to escape beavers. It was pitch black and I had to alternate rowing and shining a flashlight while they randomly popped up and smacked their tails on the water. Darkness plus water plus being chased by an unseen loud creature equals scary. Beavers know the power that they hold.

Slapping that tail. I know we got into a little bit of a disagreement at one point about how big beavers are. And beavers are bigger than- What was my position on the beaver? You were like saying beavers were like this tall. Like I remember like you holding your hand, I don't remember, I think it was on GMM.

Yeah, like 14 inches tall. And I was like, beavers can be like three feet tall. And you were like, no way. Like I think a beaver, I think a beaver without the tail standing can be that big. I'm gonna tell you again, you're still talking about a capybara. No, look up beavers.

I'm just gonna look up how tall is- A big beaver. The average. Well, I wanna know the upper range. How tall is the average beaver? No internet. Let me turn the internet on. 35 to 65 pounds.

Heaviest on record is 110 pounds. They are three to four feet long and stand one to one and a half feet tall. One to one and a half feet tall. That's the average, man. That's the average. Okay. Like, do a picture of Big Beaver.

Okay. Big Beaver. Can I use your laptop? Big Beaver. All right, I'm just searching Big Beaver. And I'm going to images. Yeah, I mean, you got safe search on. Oh, good God. Yeah, like that one.

This guy, okay, so there's people holding, there's a big burly man holding up a beaver by the hind legs. And you see the tail's only that big. But look how, I mean, look at that. So the hips are at his nips and the nose is at the shin. And I bet that guy's at least four foot tall.

They've gotta be a big beaver before they get the courage to come after you, to haunt you like that. And especially when you're on a boat that's being propelled by wooden oars, you're especially, it's like you're propelling the boat with the thing they love to eat. You know why Nona's got herself a big brown beaver

and she strokes it all the time. Yep. Let's get to the real ghosts. I'm tired of this beating around the bush. Okay, the beavers. All right, have at it, man, use your spooky voice. This is from Sasa. Sasa the Vilbur?

The evil bear. The evil bear. That makes a lot more sense. My biggest scare is more spiritual. When I was 12, I was alone at home, and I saw that on my bed was a dip like someone was sitting

on the bed. When I did a double take, I saw the tip lift. No, the dip lift is what she meant to write. I saw the dip lift, like when someone stands up, I hid in the living room. Hashtag Ear Biscuits. Okay. That's kind of mild.

I mean, you saw a divot in your mattress that then plumpified? At age 12? Age 12. How reliable are you at age 12? I mean, just talking hormones alone. Like if a 12 year old reporter came to you. I mean, first of all.

Does he have a hat? Does it say press? No one trusts the media anymore anyway, much less a 12 year old reporter. So 12 year old reporter comes up and is just like- I believe the children journalists are our future. Aliens landed in Belarus. You'd be like, okay, prove it 12 year old.

I think Sasa, I think you gotta be looking for spooky things in order to see something like that. I don't think, because that's not an attention grabbing thing. It's not a cupboard slamming. You know, it's not someone like a possessed person yelling at you that normally loves you. I don't know.

I mean, listen. I don't discount it. I just think it's a bit nitpicky. I think it's a bit nitpicky. Oh, and to make it clear, I mean, we're I don't discount it. I just think it's a bit nitpicky. I think it's a bit nitpicky. Oh, and to make it clear, I mean, we're not trying to pick these apart even though we just did with that one. I'm open to this.

I just don't, I think you have to be looking for something to spook you to see something that detailed. That subtle? Yeah. Well, you don't know how big the dip was. I mean, what if this was a thick ghost? You know, it depends on how much the bed is being deformed. Like if I'm in a certain mindset, anything could scare me. Like when you make me watch the scary movies

and then for the next week or so, as I've said before, I ain't ashamed to say it, I get scared taking out the trash. I mean, there's a dark area where the trash cans should go. I also get scared, not necessarily taking the trash out. I take the trash out and then I kind of run back. But like I told you, when I'm by myself in the woods, I get scared and it is because of all the things

that I put into my mind with horror movies and horror books. But I can't stop though. The thing that happened to me in my camping trip is not something that I, you know, to a fault I wasn't ready for something spooky to happen. Yeah, that's been made clear with people's reactions. Yeah. To your story. If you're not going outside when your wife was offered,

well, was asked about hot dogs. when your wife was offered, well, was asked about hot dogs. At Golden Cheesy, William Meard tweeted, spooky voice. When I was nine or 10, already we don't even remember what age we were. No, oh, when I was nine and 10, let's say that, we moved into a funeral home as part of the family business.

Oh, damn. I started to have persistent sleep paralysis and saw a figure both in the room when awake and in the elevator in my dreams. Those two years were probably the scariest in my life. They stopped after moving. Okay, so. Funeral home, man, at 10 years old.

Okay, there's three things. It's a funeral home with a freaking elevator in it and you're living in it. You're living in a freaking funeral home? It's part of the family business. That's wild. Sleep paralysis. I mean, the only thing scarier than sleep paralysis

is like surgery paralysis. And I don't even want to talk about that. All right, I know you're- They are related. You're afraid of sleep paralysis because you feel like you've had it at times, right? Well, that was an interesting way to put that. You're afraid of sleep paralysis

because you feel like you've had it. I didn't say feel, I said because you've had it. No, you said you feel like you've had it. Did I say that? Yes. Okay. I have had it, but I have've had it. I didn't say feel, I said because you've had it. No, you said you feel like you've had it. Did I say that? Yes. Okay. I have had it, but I have not had it in probably 10 or 15 years. I had it a lot as a kid and it slowly wore off in my 20s

and I haven't had it in many years. But a lot of people report seeing- So when you have sleep paralysis, you can see with your eyes, your eyes are open? Not for me. So, okay. For William, so I figure in the room. Most people. When awake,

but in sleep paralysis. Most people sense the presence of a figure. Like what happens is, is you, your mind wakes up, but your body does not. And so you can, so you're fully aware, I'm in my bed. And what happened with me, I would wake up and I would be like, oh no, it's happening again. I can feel myself in my bed.

I can feel the position that I'm in and I can't move. I can't open my eyes. I can't do anything. And so you really, so you're faced with a choice. Now you could be like, I'm just gonna lay here and go back to sleep but for me, I could never do that. I had to commit fully to getting out of it and so I would like start trying to find a limb to move

and you would be like, and eventually you like go like and then you get out of it. What? That would happen to me pretty often growing up. It's like breaking out of a shell or something? But some people when they wake up and they're in that state, they will sense the presence. It's very common.

There's a name for the person, the ghost. It's like a dark figure that they sense when they're- Slender Man? In sleep paralysis. Slender Man may be based on this character, but it's just this dark figure. I've heard many people talk about it. I never saw the dark figure, I've heard many people talk about it. I never saw the dark figure.

Sleep paralysis. Common figures. People who experience sleep paralysis have essentially woken up before they stopped dreaming. It's an incredibly common sleep problem. An estimated 8% of people who experience it regularly ever wake up frozen in the middle of the night. What?

See a pitch black figure. Yeah. Okay, here it is. Imagine you're asleep and you suddenly open your eyes. This is kqed.org slash science. Your body won't move. If this is something's holding you down, you hear scratching in the corner of the room,

then see a pitch black figure. You think it's just your mind playing tricks until the figure starts moving slowly. It's getting closer. You shut your eyes, but you can hear it shuffling toward you. This is what sleep paralysis is like. Not for me.

Sleep paralysis usually occurs when you're, well, asleep. Your brain is telling you to go to sleep and to not move because when you walk around in your sleep, that's not good. But some people have a problem with that not turning off. So when they wake up, they still can't move. Oh, gosh. And people who are susceptible to sleep paralysis, if I remember correctly,

are more likely to have the surgery paralysis thing happen. Oh my gosh, that is a nightmare. William, I'm sorry that happened to you. Living in a funeral home. Oh my gosh. And then dreaming about the same person. Once you've seen something that freaks you out, dreaming about it, I guess, makes sense.

Well, you know- Or it could just be. So I told this story on GMM years ago about my wife and I having- Shared dream. Well, in my dream specifically, and you can go back to the GMM because it was much more fresh and I told it the very next day,

but essentially what I dreamed is that I was in this elevator and elevator opened and there was this little blonde girl who had evil intent of some kind and it was very scary. And I woke up and I started talking to Jessie about it and she had just had a dream at the same time about a little blonde girl. And we were kind of just like- What did I say?

And we just sat there in the bed kind of freaking out for a while. Well, at Jade underscore Jim Rourke tweeted, "'Me and my family were talking about spooky ghost stuff "'and I said how I've seen a girl with long hair "'and a long white nightgown run by my line of vision "'out of the corner of my eye. "'And then my whole family starts sharing stories

"'from when they've seen the same ghost "'with the same descriptions. Having other people experience the same thing, either in a dream or like, I mean, if you trust somebody who also sees the same thing you saw, then that makes you feel a little less crazy, but a lot more scared. And I got to, you know,

Kiko is our producer editor of Ear Biscuits, sitting behind that glass in the other room right now. You know, he rolled up all of these responses that you gave to us, but then he said, and you know what? I actually have a story. If you wanna talk about it, you can. And he wrote it down, I'm gonna read it. And then I asked Kiko to get on the mic

so that we could ask some follow-up questions because I've never seen a ghost. I haven't either. I have not been looking. So maybe that's my problem. Well, I don't know. Let me read Kiko's story. Because though we've never seen ghosts,

we do have people in our lives over the years who would tell these compelling stories and they would have no reason to lie to us. We have every reason to believe them. Kiko, absolutely being one of them. Yeah, someone who, according to their story, they honestly saw something they believed to be supernatural. Here's Kiko's story.

Even though Kiko's over there, I'm just gonna read his story since it's here. And you know, I'm a control freak, we've established this. I lived in an old house in Glendale for a few years, almost a decade ago. I was home alone when all of a sudden out of nowhere, I started feeling ice cold rage for absolutely no reason. If I could describe it,

it physically felt like my blood was turning to ice and my body felt like it was about to explode. This is completely abnormal for me because I'm actually a mellow person. Well, we can vouch for that. Yes, very true. Kiko is extremely mellow. I decided to go to bed and I was in this weird half awake, half asleep state where I was aware of my friend

and then is Maggie who also works here. Also works at Mythical, yeah. So we know both of them. So first of all, it seems like Kiko's describing like a sleep paralysis situation. I was aware of Maggie entering my room at like 3 a.m. because she was staying with me at the time, but I couldn't wake up.

Instead, I was dreaming that I was on top of this hill with autumnal leaves. Oh, that's a nice adjective. But something was falling from the sky. When I climbed up to get a closer look, there was an angel descending, but it had black matted hair, a black toga, and black wings with holes punched all over it.

I also heard from back in the real world the sound of something running around, but I figured it was my roommate's dog. That's all I remember from the night. But according to my friend, Maggie, I was convulsing violently in my sleep when she entered the room. The convulsions gradually got more and more violent

until I slammed the wall with my fist and my body suddenly became stiff. Can you imagine Maggie saying that? Yeah, talk about laid back. Maggie's so quiet, so quiet in fact that she decided not to wake Kiko up. I was like, oh, he punched the wall, but he's asleep now. It's 3 a.m., I'm gonna leave him be.

Continuing Kiko's account. I spoke with my roommate the next morning at the gym and apparently he was staying in the basement with his twin sister who was visiting that night. Talk about, now we got a twin involved? This is getting really spooky. Yeah, twins are always creepy. So his roommate's downstairs with the twin.

Maggie's upstairs at 3 a.m. seeing Kiko convulsing. When the twin came downstairs, she said she saw, Kiko's a roommate, trying to climb the wall aggressively. Oh gosh, oh gosh, oh gosh. When she asked what he was doing, he flipped around and violently started screaming at her. He had never yelled at her in his entire life.

When she cried for him to stop, he calmed down, but he doesn't remember any of this. His sister, twin sister had to fill him in on it the next morning before he went to the gym to tell Kiko what had happened. Now I once found you in the middle of the night when you came to sleep at my house. Yeah.

And the, when we were kids. Just to clarify, we were children at the time and we were staying in what we call the extra room. Yeah. And I woke up to the sound of scratching and you were standing up next to the door. Like there's the door and then there's the wall next to the door and you were next to the door on the wall

and you were just kind of going, you know, like kind of scratching the wall. Like you were trying to get out, but you couldn't find the door. Pretty scary. That's scary, that's like, that's- If I turned around and would have yelled at you, like the twin.

Yeah, it's like the end of the Blair Witch Project, where there's like the dude like just standing facing away. Oh, I haven't seen it. You know, like, but for some reason, I knew you were sleepwalking, so it didn't really scare me. The story's not over. Yeah. So Kiko's roommate tells Kiko what his twin told him before he got to the gym.

So when we returned from the gym, his twin sister repeated the story and mentioned she had heard something running around on the first floor. I told her I had heard that too, but I thought it was the dog. According to her, the dog was in the basement with them the entire time.

The roommate rushes down to the basement. No, my roommate then rushes down to the basement because he said he forgot his phone down there from last night. A split second later, he runs back up the stairs, literally crying, telling us not to go down the stairs. He describes a tall, lanky thing that was crouched in the fireplace.

Oh gosh. It wasn't me. I fit the description, but it wasn't me. When all three of us went down. First of all, all three of them did go down. Yeah, it's like a horror movie. When all three of us went down, there was nothing there. At the time, I didn't mention my dream

because I thought it was stupid and probably irrelevant. But a year later, after many more occurrences, we were talking about that initial incident at a pool party. It's then that I told him about my dream and the dark angel figure floating down from the sky with the holes in the wings. His face goes pale and he starts to freak out.

When I asked what's wrong, his response was, that thing you described falling from the sky sounds exactly like the thing I saw in the fireplace of the basement the next morning. Glendale, get out of Glendale. Kiko, get on the mic, man. Yeah. All right, is this true, man?

This is true. Every bit of this, no embellishment. No embellishment, every bit of it to my memory. Now, when you say throughout the years, there were many more things that happened, such as my roommate seeing figures and shadows, random objects moving around, doors closing. To top it all off, my roommate seeing a copy of me

walking around the house when I was in the living room. Okay, so how long did you stick around? Way longer than we should have, two years. So you were convinced that this place was haunted? Or what did you come to believe? And then how did you go on living there? Like, what did you practically do? Did you start talking to the demon?

So I asked one of my friends who was religious after this stuff happened, the first few incidents, and he was like, oh, do you have anything voodoo in your house? And I actually did. My friend had gone to New Orleans and brought back this like little set of minifigurines. I think you're supposed to put them by your bed for them to take away nightmares. But he was like, oh, I would get rid of those just in case. But he was like, oh, I would get rid of those just in case. And I did. And everything that happened afterwards, except for the copy of me walking around the house, wasn't really malicious. It was just like, oh, hey, I'm here. I'm going to open this double folded door really slowly that a wind can't do and, you know, stuff like that. So your roommate, who's a twin, twins are so creepy, man. I mean, literally came up the stairs crying. I mean, there was no doubt in your,

even though you didn't see the creature except in your dream, there was, and you didn't share the description until a year later, because there was no way that your experience, even though it reflected his, had anything to do with it. Right. But you could tell just by the terror on his face that it was true. Yeah, yeah. Why did you go down there? You're like, when all three of us on his face that it was true.

Yeah. Why did you go down there? You're like, when all three of us went down there, it was gone. Well, when he first came up, I thought he was joking, to be honest, because he kind of has a morbid sense of humor. He's the type of person that would be unplugging something and then convulse as if he got electrocuted. Yeah. So I didn't believe him at first. But then when I saw actual tears running down his face, it's like, well, like I kind of want to check it out,

but I was also scared. So I actually have a samurai sword in my room. So I took the samurai sword and brought it downstairs. You know those ghosts, man. It'll slice them right in half. Medieval on his ass. That is just wicked, man. So going into it, did you,

like what was your level of openness about supernatural things going into it? Going into living there. There was one other thing that happened previously to me where it was like, oh, it could be just me or it could be maybe something more, but it wasn't enough for me to make me believe in supernatural stuff. I guess I was just kind of open to it, but nothing that drastic had ever happened before. I mean, I believe you. And I believe, I mean, we've got other close friends who've had like super creepy.

Your hair looks like George Jones right now. Like all of a sudden. Man, I'm talking about something creepy. No, like it looks good. Oh, it does talking about something creepy. No, like, it looks good. Oh, it does? You looked at me and you had the headphones on and your hair, I was like, it's starting to look like you. I think you could do, I know you're thinking about

cutting it. It's like a pompadour? You need to, before you cut it, see if you can style it exactly like George Jones did in his heyday. Because it's so long, man. Pompadour it out. And it's like getting a little bit gray. I think you might have something here. Sorry.

You're clearly not creeped out by this story, but I appreciate the compliment. I knew you would. I'm trying to think of a George Jones song to sing. What's the- There's some ones about ghosts. He got some stuff about ghosts. There's one about a picture.

Nevermind, anyway. So you thought, I mean, you think this is a demon? I mean, you were climbing, you were fighting something and then he was freaking climbing walls and like yelling. The fact that you had this shared, like hysterical moment in the middle of the night. Yeah, and also to the whole, hysterical moment in the middle of the night. Yeah, and also to the whole, his twin sister seeing it and then Maggie seeing it

because they would have no reason to make that stuff up. Right, like Maggie seeing you freaking out and then at the same time, the sister seeing him freaking out downstairs. You were responding, this demon came down, and out downstairs. You were responding, this demon came down, it was shot up by like angels with like a shotgun. Like it had bullet holes riddled through it.

Angel butt shot? Yeah, angel butt shot. Can't even say it. You think angels got shotguns? And then it came down your chimney, dude. Yeah. That's what happened. Let's back up a little bit, okay?

So I'm just, cause I'm gonna try to, I'm just gonna try to think. Imagine a world where no demons. I'm just gonna try to, so if you go back to like, go back to like the way I was raised in like my sort of ideology, belief system, worldview growing up and that was.

You can say we were raised. We were raised, yeah. Evangelical Christianity and a particular strain of evangelical Christianity. So not like the charismatic where there's like, you know, you've got like Pentecostal- We didn't believe in angels and demons interacting with humans.

Well, no, we did, but we didn't really. We believed in the biblical accounts of it happening in the past. And we believed that it was possible. But we believe that it did, there was didn't really. We believed in the biblical accounts of it happening in the past. And we believed that it was possible. But we believed that there was no need for it. Well, that may be specifically what you thought, but I didn't, you're talking about like the dispensations. But I didn't think that supernatural things didn't happen.

And like when I heard like, you know, Catholic priests talking about exorcisms or like P know, Catholic priests talking about exorcisms or like Pentecostal pastors talking about exorcisms, I was like, this is probably not real. Like even as someone who subscribed to a quote unquote, supernatural worldview and believe that these things were real, I just didn't think that they were happening

at that frequency and you know, and so I didn't find myself getting scared but also based on the particulars like interpretation of the Bible that we had, we didn't believe in ghosts, like absent from the body, present with the Father, right? So you're either alive and your spirit is inside of you or your spirit is gone to heaven or hell,

it's a little more complicated than that, but it's not like you got ghosts going around, right? So we thought the whole idea of ghosts was like, well, if there's any ghost activity, this is actually demonic activity. This is Satan and the fallen angels. Now, again, I had this intellectual understanding of this stuff, but I didn't really.

I mean, I guess if you press me, I would say I believe it, but I never experienced anything that I would attribute to this demonic activity. However, I had many good friends, people I was very close to who had had really convincing supernatural experiences, most often in like other cultures and other places like, oh, I was a missionary in Africa or missionary in the Caribbean or whatever.

And so you go into a place where there's like a different sort of spiritual energy and then they would have these stories about people growing fangs and, you know, and I do not believe that they were making it up. I do not believe that they were lying to me, but there was always a part of me, regardless of how reliable I thought the person was, that was just like, yeah, but there's probably-

They're deceived by something in their brain. There's probably a natural explanation for this. That doesn't mean that they're dishonest, but it means that like, you know, our brains are kind of wired to see things and to interpret things in ways that might not necessarily represent reality. In fact, I mean, that's been proven that your brain

and the way your eyes send the messages to your brain, like you're not really seeing reality. You're seeing a projection, a representation of reality, right, and things can kind of get screwed up. But when it, so, but, I'm saying the way that I used to think about it. And boy, it was nice to think that. And but now- I'd like to go back there.

Now it's kind of like- Just dismiss it all. I don't have a, because I'm in a place in my life from a spiritual perspective where I don't have a, I don't believe that certainty about this kind of thing is possible. I just sort of have this sort of like openness to hear people talk about it and be like, wow, I don't know what happened.

And I feel like me trying to explain it is just gonna do a disservice to your experience. It doesn't help that there's a lot of people out there who are preying on people's hopes of connecting with their loved ones who've died, who've gone on to the afterlife or maybe are lingering by their claims. There's a lot of quacks who've been disproven.

Well, what do you think is more likely? I actually went back and watched like the Penn and Teller show, Bullshit. And they had an episode on psychic readings and like accessing people from the dead. And they basically debunked a couple of people. And then it draws into question the whole thing. But like, there's like all of these independent variables

that all point to the same independent corroboration, you know, starts to make it quite a head scratcher. And like you're upstairs having this experience, I'm downstairs having this experience, but if it was just, I saw a figure in the fireplace, it's like, well, you know, I've seen a long nose man in my own poop. You know, you can- That's a little different.

A long nose man? Yeah. Is that a saying that you just came up with? Yeah, did it sound like it- It sounded like it could be like an old saying. Yeah, that's a- You seen a long nose man in your own poop. That's what makes me worth listening to.

You listen to me and you think you're listening to a fable. The question is if these things are- Oh, I just got freaking spooked. Yeah, because it's in your mind now. See, it's in your mind. I don't know if you watch the video, but literally I just got spooked. I thought I heard something.

It was my feet moving under the table. It was? And it bounced off the wall and you turned around and got freaked out because it was in your mind. And now I'm scared and I have a little bit of a headache. But okay, but answer me this or try, let's talk about this. If these, you know, again,

it's so interesting to think about because first of all- I don't want to talk about this anymore. If you think about- Tonight when I'm I don't want to talk about this anymore. If you think about- Tonight when I'm- Hold on, let me finish the thought. If you think about supernatural things, there's a lot of people who have a perspective that, what does that even mean?

Supernatural means like beyond natural, right? So it seems like what the implication is is that there's something that is beyond the observable world, right? A non-physical realm. implication is that there's something that is beyond the observable world, right? But- A non-physical realm. But why does whatever that is and whatever people are experiencing,

why is that supernatural? Why isn't it not just the case that it's all natural? It's all within our experience, it's just there's certain things that we don't yet understand and can't yet explain. Like we have not developed the capacity. You go back just a couple of hundred years, go back a hundred years and if I were to tell you

that there are literally trillions of little creatures all over you right now, you'd think I was nuts, right? Yeah. I'd be like right around your eyes, especially there's a bunch of crazy little creatures that if I were to draw a picture of what this creature looks like, I'd be like right around your eyes, especially there's a bunch of crazy little creatures that if I were to draw a picture of what this creature looks like, you'd be like, he's a demon, right?

But it's just bacteria, right? And so, and now we have the ability to see it. We figured out how to make things really magnified. And we can now see, when I look at you, I don't see anything. I could get as close as I want to to your face. I don't see anything. But if get as close as I want to to your face. I don't see anything. But if I have the right tools to measure it

and to observe it, I would be totally freaked out by what's on your face right now. And so my question is, is it just that we've been experiencing these hints of something that is outside, not of our, is not outside of the natural world, but it's just outside of our ability to comprehend and understand at the current time. Except in certain instances where they slip up

and cross over to our realm. And it is freaky, but again, you go back to pre any discovery, and if I were to tell you these things, it would freak you out, right? So to me, it's a little bit more comforting when I think about it in terms of like I have to put it into some sort of established system or worldview

like this is evil and this is good. These are demons, these are angels, these are ghosts. It's just like, okay, if I'm betting, I'm saying that if I had to bet, I would say yes, there is something that is actually being experienced that is not just limited to some sort of perception issue in someone's mind. Kiko, are you, Rhett said he's having a bet here,

but what is your percent confidence that there is, however you would describe it, a supernatural realm, a spiritual realm? How percent confident am I? Yeah. After those couple of experiences, those few years years uh i mean it's pretty high like i would say at least 80 just because it wasn't just okay so you still got 20 yeah there's still some doubt there's this i i feel like i'm always gonna have a little bit of doubt but there's just because it i i told the story of me and my roommate but we actually had up to nine people living in that house

at one time because it was a three story house it was a commune I get it and out of those nine people at least seven

had something happen to them and a bunch of those people actually didn't believe in supernatural stuff at all when they first came in

like they they knew our story because we were one of the first ones to move in, but they just didn't really believe it. Um, so yeah, I would, I would say like 80%. If you would have gone downstairs and seen the, I'm calling it a demon. Do you call it a demon? Sure. I'm not asking you.

I just happened to be looking at you. Yeah. Demon. not asking you. I just happen to be looking at you. Yeah, demon. Okay. If you would have seen it crouched when you went down there, you'd probably be at 100%, right? Yeah, absolutely. Right, because your experience was, you saw it in the dream,

and then you saw other things like doors. Somebody else saw it in real life. Windows, heard things, heard things moving around. Yeah, and a couple of roommates saw a man kind of floating from one room to the next. And Maggie actually had a story where she was taking a shower in my shower, and the shampoo bottle kind of started swaying all of a sudden. Not an earthquake. Just randomly one shampoo bottle

started swaying. And she ran out and the dog came bursting in and started barking and she said you could see his eyeline going from the bathroom where she was taking a shower to the door that led out of my room. And then he calmed down. Don't bring a shower into this

Kiko. Damn here's the thing. Damn it, I take a shower every day pretty much. Dogs, yeah, but you have a window in your shower. That's not, that seems not freaky. It's an exit for me. Like dogs and little children, right? Before you develop this like full consciousness, which is actually you kind of are turning some parts

of your consciousness off. Okay. You have the ability potentially, I'm just kind of going turning some parts of your consciousness off. Okay. You have the ability potentially, I'm just kind of going out on a limb here, right? This is what some people would say. They have the ability because they aren't yet, haven't yet decided to tune certain things out in the way that adults have.

They have the ability to perceive it. They've got the instrumentation, young kids and dogs, young kids and animals. They can see this stuff, man. But okay, what about the people who- Clearly I have a bias because I'm afraid. Yeah, you're saying you don't want it to be real because it freaks you out.

Right. I'm just legitimately asking the question like, okay, what if this stuff is real and we find ways to categorize it and we find ways to explain it, what about the people who, because everyone who's dedicated their lives to being like, I'm gonna go out

and I'm gonna try to find scientific evidence of this stuff, right? I mean, sure you've got your like ghost people who have like the weird like little meter that's like measuring stuff. I can't believe that there's any sort of, I wouldn't think that there would actually be like an electromagnetic signature for spiritual activity.

It feels like you're going into a situation and you're trying to like smell something that you could only feel, you know what I mean? Like you're using the wrong faculties to detect something. I don't know, that's just my guess. How would we know though? But it just feels like it wouldn't surprise me. Neither option, either option wouldn't surprise me.

If it's all just weird things that happen in people's minds. Circumstantial. And like, you've got the situation where like Kiko says, okay, well, there were nine people living there, seven people experienced it. And these people didn't believe in supernatural things, but yet they did know they were moving into a house where other people had seen things.

And so now all of a sudden your mind is like attuned to it. Just like you thought you saw something over your shoulder a second ago because we're talking about this. Did the roommate- That could happen. Who was dreaming and climbing up the wall and yelling at his twin sister, did he describe his dream?

Does his dream have anything to do with this demon? No, he actually doesn't remember anything. Yeah, his sister just filled him in on everything, but yeah, he doesn't remember dreaming about anything at all. That's powerful. Okay, well, here's another question for you. Kiko, you're fired. You can't be around anymore.

I know you wanna move on because I could tell you're scared, but I'm gonna make you can't be around anymore. I know you wanna move on because I could tell you're scared, but I'm gonna make you stick with this. We're gonna have to find a new Kiko. If you, okay, you said you didn't want this to be true, right, and I understand that. I don't really have a position, I don't think. I just want to know if it's true,

but let's just say that you experienced something like maybe like, okay, me and you go on a camping trip and it gets dark and then we light the fire and all of a sudden, like you're kind of having a conversation with me. And then the next thing you know, I just literally start floating in the air and I float above you. And then I start going in circles around you.

And then when I opened my mouth- What's your tongue like? Forked, it's a forked tongue. Start speaking in a different language. It sounds like it might be Latin, but you don't know. You didn't take Latin, neither did I. So, but you're like, he certainly sounds like he's speaking Latin.

Some English words are from Latin. Yeah, I can discover a few root words. And so maybe there's some meaning in it. And then I go and I like get into the fire and I like put my face into the fire and my flesh melts off of my face and it's just my skeleton. Keep in mind, I'm still speaking in Latin.

And then I reached down and I pick the pieces of melted flesh out of the fire and I put them back on my face and like puzzle, still speaking Latin, it all comes together. I float back, sit down in my camp chair, my REI fold out camp chair. And then all of a sudden, I go completely back to normal.

So that would be difficult to like deny, right? Well. If that exact scenario happened. Now what would happen in your, your worldview would be affected in what way if that were to happen? Christy would know what to do. Go get a wet rag.

I want you to seriously answer the question. Like what would you suddenly- That would change everything. What would you, it would? Well no, it wouldn't change everything. Change everything. What would you, it would? Well, no, it wouldn't change everything. Change everything. I would believe, I would- Believe what?

I would believe that, I believe it all, man. I'd believe it all. But what does that mean? That I would be afraid to go camping again. I mean, it's again, it's like, it's, I don't, I mean, you and you revel in like, it's entertaining for you to be scared, but like this is getting too real for me.

No, no, but that's not, I know that it scares you. I'm just saying that that's what it would do to me. It might paralyze me socially, emotionally. It would be trauma. But would you think it was like a message from God? That you've strayed? No. That your best friend is being led by a demon.

Now, if you had a message in English that I could understand, that would be something to reckon with. Hmm, okay. I'll make sure I have a message. Before you put your melted face back on. When this happens. I guess the reason I'm asking the question is because-

You're playing, see, you're a child playing with firecrackers. You don't know what real explosives are like. And if you ever went through what Kiko or his roommate twin went through, you wouldn't be so lighthearted about this. I actually have a sober view of it. This is a coping mechanism, man. Yeah, it is a coping mechanism but one could argue

that I'm much more like a believer than you are. My coping mechanism is to make it funny. Exactly, you're just as afraid as me. I didn't say I wasn't afraid. I just said I like being afraid. I hate it and I like it at the same time. You like being afraid knowing that it's not real in the back of the back of the back of your mind.

No, no, because knowing that it might be real is the only reason I'm scared. The moment I'm, those moments when I'm like hold on, aliens could exist, like I get, those moments when I'm like, hold on, aliens could exist. Like I get, that makes my stomach drop. Like anything that's like that cataclysmically groundbreaking knowledge. What is scaring you in that moment?

Cause aliens doesn't, honestly, demon stuff scares me. That's why I said aliens. Don't like those movies. I do like those movies. I love them and I hate them at the same time. And the reason I hate them is because I can easily buy into it, right? There's lots of people who watch that stuff

and they're like, I know this isn't real, but like, I don't wanna- But you're simulating something that if it was really happening, I think you might, it might damage you. I think it would damage you. Well, I'm not, that's not, the question I'm interested in is what it would,

what I would think after it, right? I'm just saying it's like, I don't know. Plenty of people believe and they actually seem fine. Actually, you know, there's, I mean, Kiko's 80%. He's pretty cool. That's not what I'm saying. He's healthy. I'm not saying any, either way would be good or bad. I'm not. I'm trying to answer your question. I'm just trying either way would be good or bad. I'm not.

I'm trying to answer your question. I'm just trying to figure out what I would think. Cause there was a time at which if I saw something. I'm saying I would, there's plenty of people who do believe that. Let's look at what they think. And it's like, that actually gives me hope that like. Well, they believe all kinds of different things.

Yeah. I mean, there are. I guess is what I'm saying. Cause some people would file it. Some people experience something and they have to file it into a preexisting ideology. All right. And there's a big portion of my life,

especially like as I was kind of coming out of Christianity, whereas if I experienced something definitively supernatural, it would have been the tipping point to thrust me back into traditional Christian faith. Now, if I experienced something like that, I think that the conclusion I would come to is, oh, that stuff happens. I don't know what exactly what it means,

but I wouldn't necessarily be like, oh, I need to orient it into a belief system. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't feel that, I don't know. That's why I was asking the question. It, I think it would make me feel like I needed to make sense of it. I needed to more aggressively pursue

some sort of belief system. That's probably true. That explained it. I think it would drive me to a more aggressive quest for nailing down some beliefs. Otherwise, I've been pretty comfortable just kind of floating, floating on love. But the chances are, if either of us experience something,

it's gonna be in this sort of ambiguous category where you can just make it, you've already made up your mind. That's where faith comes in. Because you could experience something and like you could take it at face value or you could just write it off and say that was only in my mind. And you probably have made the decision

before the experience. Hmm. Right? Or the decision was made for you by the one that possesses you, which we call fate, but others call demons. I don't know. I believe you, Kiko.

I believe you too, 80%. I mean, if you're not, he's not even 100%. It was never on the table whether I believed him or believe, we have another really good friend who's seen a lot of stuff. Yeah. I do not have any doubt that he has experienced the things that he says he has experienced.

The question is, what is it? And that's where I'm just like, I don't know. And even if I experienced the exact same things, I don't think I would be like, oh, I know now. I think I'd just be more confused. But I kind of do think it would be cool for it to happen. Until it does. No, I mean- I hope I'm not there.

Nope, no, I hope you are there because think about the episode of Ear Biscuits that we get out of it. Yeah. For both there. That will be a redemptive quality to the experience. I mean, you know how Britton goes off and he didn't just go to haunted houses.

Like Britton goes to the historically haunted places, like the most haunted places back when you could travel. He would go to these places, spend the night at a back when you could travel, he would go to these places, spend the night at a place that had a reputation for being haunted. Like he's trying to get to the bottom of it. And I really liked that. I really respect that.

Like I would love- I don't think he's investigating. I think he's just, he's in it for the thrill. The thrill of it, yeah. But, and I'm saying that I totally get that. Like it's thrilling. I understand that until. You're saying until it happens at that point,

I'd be like, oh, this was a mistake. Is that what you think would happen? Yes. Yeah. I think I would be. Cause that's being real scared. I think what would happen is I would be like, this is super scary and this is exactly what I was after.

Like when you got really scared in the haunted mazes, you would applaud like an old man? The reason I applaud like an old man is because I am an old man. And the reason I applaud, especially when we went through the, Us maze. Us maze. It was so well done and I'm like so scared.

Like with the- Somebody jumps in your face and scares you and you applaud at them. Well, here's the thing. When you go to these haunted houses- You gonna do that to a real ghost? I don't think you will. No, precisely.

Exactly, that's what you need. Precisely. You need a bigger fix. The reason I'm clapping is because I'm like, you brought me to the verge of peeing on myself. Like I- Bravo, young child! Yes, this is great.

Yes, daddy is happy. But daddy knows that this is fake. But when daddy doesn't know that it's fake, daddy's not gonna be clapping. Daddy's gonna be crapping. And I'm saying I don't want something to make me clap, I want something to make me crap, man. Kiko, thanks for sharing your story.

Kiko, you gotta give us that address so we can go check it out. Yeah, after the podcast for sure. I'm sure, man, if you've seen a ghost, you're like, I don't know how you feel about what we've seen. You got, you get so uncomfortable. The past like 20 minutes, you've been really uncomfortable. Ever since you saw that thing.

I didn't see, I thought I saw something. Think about it, man. We could go get to a haunted house. Think about how fun it would be. Like it's fun for you to get scared like this, what for me? Isn't that fun for you? You're not gonna answer me. Okay, I have a rec.

That's all, you know, in the same vein, but a totally different direction. That's called an artery. A movie that you should watch if you want to get yourself in the Halloween spirit. It's almost too late. But you don't wanna be scared. And listen, I know the video of this

is coming out after Halloween, but I mean, I listen, I know the video of this is coming out after Halloween, but I mean, I still, I mean, it's just removed from it. Hocus Pocus. Watched that with the family the other night. And the reason I watched it is because Stevie has talked about this movie quite often. In fact, Tobias Jelinek, a friend of ours

who was Dylan in Buddy System, who's an incredible actor, who's been in a friend of ours who was Dylan in Buddy System, who's an incredible actor, who's been in a bunch of things. His first gig as a teenager was playing like the high school bully in Hocus Pocus. And when he came to audition for the role of Dylan, Stevie was like, where do I recognize this guy's face from? And it was Hocus Pocus.

I'd never seen it. Jessie was like, let's watch Hocus And it was Hocus Pocus. I'd never seen it. Jessie was like, let's watch Hocus Pocus. And I was like- I've never seen it. And you know, you- We were too old for it. You gotta know what you're getting into. You're getting into a 1993 Disney movie starring Bette Midler and Sarah Jessica Parker as witches. And I can't remember the third actor's name,

but it's ridiculous. There's musical numbers. It's ridiculous, there's musical numbers. You're kind of laughing at the 90s as you enjoy it, but you have to go into it with that level of expectation that you're laughing at. Did Shepherd like it? Yeah. He did? Yeah.

But he liked it on a cynical level. We watched those kinds of, like he gets a kick out of watching things that were kind of come from the era of when we were his age or close to it. So you go in with that kind of expectation, not like this is some like classic movie that's gonna hold up.

I mean, it's like 37% on Rotten Tomatoes. It's not a critically acclaimed movie. He's 12 years old. Does he have his press credentials? Well, he could be a reporter. Yeah, I'll send him to, you know what, I'm gonna send Shepard to this address in Glendale with a notepad,

have him do a little report for us. A hat with a press card in it. Hocus pocus, watch it. Hashtag ear biscuits. We'll talk at you next week.