Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 96: The World's Longest Treasure Hunt ft. Kevin| Ear Biscuits Ep. 96

Episode Date: May 29, 2017

An update on Lily's surgery, a special Mythical crew guest, a 200 year long treasure hunt, and more on this week's episode of Ear Biscuits. SUBSCRIBE to This Is Mythical: https://goo.gl/UMXvuW Listen & subscribe at: Apple Podcasts: http://apple.co/29PTWTM Spotify: http://spoti.fi/2oIaAwp Art19: https://art19.com/shows/ear-biscuits SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/earbiscuits Follow This Is Mythical: Facebook: http://facebook.com/ThisIsMythical Instagram: http://instagram.com/ThisIsMythical Twitter: http://twitter.com/ThisIsMythical Other Mythical Channels: Good Mythical Morning: https://www.youtube.com/user/rhettandlink2 Good Mythical MORE: https://youtube.com/user/rhettandlink3 Rhett & Link: https://youtube.com/rhettandlink Credits: Hosted By: Rhett & Link Featuring: Kevin Kostelnik Executive Producer: Stevie Wynne Levine Managing Producer: Cody D'Ambrosio Technical Director / Editor: Meggie Malloy Graphics: Matthew Dwyer Set Design/Construction: Cassie Cobb Content Manager: Becca Canote Logo Design: Carra Sykes To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is Mythical. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I'm Rhett. And I'm Link, joining us this week at the round table of dim lighting. We have invited Mythical crew member, Kevin, to come in here. Yes. And we are going to have an intriguing conversation about the world's longest running treasure hunt on a haunted island.

Oh the haunted part. Question mark? It's up for debate. On a very mysterious island. It's at least mysterious. Incredibly intriguing conversation with Kevin about something very mythical. I mean the reason that we're doing this,

we actually asked Kevin to find something that he knew just based on his history with us and the kinds of things that we find interesting, to find something mythical for us to talk about. Yeah. Because I think that that's one of the things that Ear Biscuits is becoming is a podcast where we explore mythicality.

Now, mythical, we don't mean like fake or legendary stuff. Do you know that? You're a mythical beast already. But actually, in writing the book of mythicality, we really started to understand what mythicality meant, what it means to be mythical. Creativity, curiosity, and tomfoolery being the tenets of Mythicality. So we kinda hone in on the curiosity aspect

of Mythicality tonight with Kevin. Yeah, so while we're talking about the book, we will let you know, it is available for pre-order right now at bookofmythicality.com. And I think we've communicated this a number of times as we've talked about the book, but maybe we haven't communicated it quite as fully as we could have

because I think a lot of people are like, I don't know what this book's gonna be. I trust that it's gonna be good if you guys are excited about it, but. I think whatever you think it's gonna be, it's in there, because everything that we could think of, like personal stories, weird illustrations,

intriguing tales. We poured a whole lot of ourselves in there. So I think it is one part memoir. So you get a lot of the things that we've shared growing up together and working together for years that we think have brought mythicality to our lives. But there's also just all kinds of things that we find mythical in the world, in history.

And it's kind of tied into 20 different aspects of mythicality and kind of how we interact with those in our own lives and then how we've seen other people embody those things. It was a blast to put together. There is a whole chapter related to something akin to buried treasure. Yeah, exactly.

I'm not gonna. Don't give away too much. I don't wanna give away too much right now. About burying something. Yeah. But I. And how you can get involved in that. But I think the point is is that by writing the book,

I think it brought more definition to what it is that we've been trying to do with all the work that we've done over the past decade together and even beyond that. Sure, yeah. Even before that and it's also brought definition to what we wanna do when we have a conversation on Ear Biscuits, the kind of things that we want to explore. So it all kind of works together.

So if you're a mythical beast, if you've been a mythical beast for any amount of time, or if you're just finding this for the first time, we think, I mean we wrote the book so that you would enjoy it, but we are very confident that you're gonna enjoy it. So bookofmythicality.com in unison. You don't have to type in unison. You can though.

I was just. But probably go to the wrong website. I think it was like go to somewhere else. It'll give you an error, an HTTP error. You gotta slash in unison. It might, it'll still take you to the right place. That's a different website. I don't know.

So we're gonna talk to Kevin Tappan and that curiosity that we all enjoy. But first I should give you an update. I wanna give you an update on my daughter Lily's major back surgery. Now that it's over, I think, I wanna thank all of you for your support, for your prayers, for your, just your consideration.

A lot of people you sent gifts and cards of encouragement to her and it was all very touching and it really helped. So the great news is that the surgery went exactly how we hoped. I mean, it went off without a hitch. She had severe scoliosis, which was her back was curved sideways like an S. I mean, looking at the x-rays,

I mean, I talked about this on the other Ear Biscuits, so you can go back and listen to that, but it definitely floored us back in January. So a lot of this year has been leading up to the surgery, which as of the recording of this episode was one week ago. One week ago right now, we're moving into her hospital room and for where she would spend the next five days. Now she's at home recovering.

She's doing great. It's amazing how she can roll over in bed, roll out of bed, walk around, walk down our street, take pictures of flowers. She's taking pictures? That's what she likes to do. I didn't think the doctor was allowing that yet. Taking pictures has very little to do with

the fusion of your spine, which was fused from L4, let's see, L is at the bottom, T is at the top. T4 to L3, which is the vast majority of her back. Yeah. I mean, and she's got a scar that she's very proud of and we all are that goes the majority of her back that's healing up great. But the fact that they went in there

and they put two metal rods that they custom bent, they like smushed her spine to be back, no longer an S, they custom bent rods. I don't even understand how they did that. So she could have proper posture. And then they attached those rods using titanium screws, huge screws, into her vertebrae. You know how many people.

And then six weeks after that, she's fully recovered, basically. You know how many people they had to go through before they got to the point where they do it this way? Oh yeah. Think about the first guy. Oh my goodness. I mean it wasn't.

They just opened up the back and they were like, what do we do now? Maybe we'll push. You pull this way, I'll pull that way. And then he died. I mean seriously. Well yeah, I mean someone who's like a last resort type of thing.

Well actually. That's what my kids are asking, what happened? I think there's people. Well, for the vast majority of history, you just lived with it. Maybe we could get a doctor in here to talk about that. Maybe Lily's doctor will come in here. Dr. Tolo, he was amazing.

But seriously though, for like 99.99% of human history, what, human history's 200,000 years or more. And there's plenty of people who, you're saying who lived with it and that was it. I'm saying the vast majority of people who've ever lived just lived with it and wherever it ends up, because it increases over time, I know that's one of the reasons that you gotta correct it.

Right. But then you just think, okay, you're born in 1950 and then they've got some sort of thing that they do. But you were telling me that just like 20 years ago. Because when the curves progress, you can't, I mean it smushes your organs in such a way that you die. But like you were saying that like 20 years ago, you'd be in a cast, like a full body cast,

or maybe, I don't know, 30 years ago, whatever, for like six months. Yeah. And now they figured out that, oh, if we get them moving right after, they've got all these amazing medicines that they can give you, pain relievers and stuff. So that you're able to get up and walk.

I mean the first night, let me tell you a little bit about the surgery and then I'll get back to that point in terms of her recovery. I just wanted to share the experience with you guys. I mean we got up at like 4 a.m. to get to, I was about to say the airport. We didn't have to fly anywhere.

Right, sometimes it feels like an airport. To get to the hospital by like five. You know, it wasn't until 7.45 that she went into surgery. So there's like all this prep and checking in and taking blood again and all this stuff. It's so nerve wracking to know that, you know, okay, this is it, this is the moment we've been waiting for

all year and it's about to happen. I think she was most concerned about getting the happy juice is what they called it, which kind of relaxes you in the pre-op place before they give you an IV. Did they offer you some? Well Christy asked for some because she was pretty anxious at the moment. But they didn't do that, they don't give it to the parents.

They did not give her or me any of the happy juice. They have that in the hospital bar. But I think Lily was just concerned about what's it gonna feel like, because she was told that she wouldn't remember stuff at a certain point, so what's it feel like to stop being able to remember? It's like nothing at all.

It doesn't feel like anything at all, you don't remember. And so then they gave her the IV, and then they said we're gonna wheel you into surgery, and mom and dad, you can walk with us till we get to the, I mean we came to these doors that were, in my memory they were orange. So I guess they were orange. I didn't take that happy juice, I think I remember.

In my memory, they were what they actually are. They were different, they were alarmingly colored doors that we were not allowed to go through. That's why they're orange. And then the nurses who were wheeling her in said, okay, this is where you have the hugs and kisses. Because they didn't want to say, this is where you say goodbye,

because that would be really morbid and tap right into our fears that we were saying goodbye. Right, because there's what, like a one in 1,000, I don't know, a small chance. It happens to somebody, people go under for general anesthesia and they don't wake up. Well, and there's risk of paralysis and, you know, yeah. Or death, I mean, I had to sign a form

that spelled, literally pointed all these things out. Like these are the, it's very, very unlikely, but you know, she could die, she could be paralyzed. You know, it's's like freaking scary. We didn't do it right before that, we did it months before that moment. They don't put too much on you at once. Yeah I didn't wanna, but even in that moment,

that was a very difficult moment when we were saying, kissing her and hugging her and saying, all right, we'll be waiting. And that, I didn't, because you don't know when the toughest point's gonna be. Because you knew the surgery was gonna last a long time, but I'll say after the fact, that was definitely in the top three,

maybe the worst point when it's like, you know, okay, you're actually saying, I'll see you on the other side of this surgery. So that was pretty difficult, but then they whisk her away and they whisk us into an elevator and down into the waiting room and they give you a pager so you can walk around, kinda like a restaurant type pager but then they have screens up there that have her number,

they don't have her name so no one else will know where this person is. So she had her number and they don't have her name, so no one else will know where this person is. So she had her number and you're just constantly looking up there waiting and you know, it was six and a half hours of waiting. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean the surgery was, actually, we come to find out later they started the surgery late,

so the actual surgery was five hours. But we were out there waiting and all that the board told us was she was in the operating room or pre-op, which she had already passed that. She was in the operating room, according to that screen, for six and a half hours. And then they moved her to recovery and that's when we could go see her.

And they came out every three hours and said, everything's going okay. But every time they come out, you're like. Really? What are they gonna say? Yeah, it's like that moment when somebody comes and there was just a receptionist that they would call and the receptionist would relay it and I thought

if something was really going wrong, someone else would come out so I found ways to take comfort in my interpretation of how they would do things if they were going wrong that were different than how they actually told me. But that six and a half hours, I mean because, I mean you were there, we had other friends there. It was extremely helpful to pass the time.

Christy had friends who brought like a cheese plate. You know, it'sy had friends who brought a cheese plate. Kind of had a cheese plate. Had the semblance of a party. Charcuterie. We were like offering some charcuterie to other people there. I mean other people's kids are in there too. Everybody needs charcuterie.

There was another number who was waiting for seven hours. It's not like we were the only people going through something this scary. And then we finally met with the doctor and he said everything went great, they straightened her out. He said we actually went too far and then had to come back a little bit. Over correction.

Well there's an art to it, apparently. You know, you're bending these rods manually, you got a freaking blacksmith in there, ding, ding, ding, heating up the thing. There may be horses in there too, I don't know. I doubt it. There's a reason they don't let me in there. You know, I don't wanna see the blacksmith.

Or bump anybody. The risk of you getting injured by being in the operating room was significantly higher than the risk of Lily. Just your presence there. If you mention an IV or blood, I'm probably gonna faint. Right. You know, like Lily was laughing at me half the time

when they were, every time they'd talk about the IV. The doctor said everything went great and then we go back there. I mean, she's, and like her face is all swollen, her lips are swollen, it looked like she had had like some sort of plastic surgery. Well maybe they threw in a freebie. You give her a lip enlargement for free?

Or are you gonna charge me for that? Kylie package. But it was, because she's face down for five hours while they're doing this surgery. But was it in, face down on like a massage donut or something? They didn't let me in, I don't know, I didn't ask that question.

But it had to be something that wasn't. It was on something. It wasn't like, just put her face down in a pillow. Yeah, they wouldn't suffocate her, yeah. I imagine that it was like a massage table donut. But just being in the same position for six hours without moving alone is enough to. And she was very groggy.

Before we went back there, her legs were moving around so much, which is a great sign. Well I'd say so. But they were moving so much they had to sedate her more because she was moving around too much because she was disoriented. By the time we saw her she was more sedated and it took her an hour before we were able

to have a conversation and we told her you're back straight and she started crying. And the anesthesia can make you really emotional. And I was like, are you okay? She was like, I'm just so happy. And it was great. That was her first reaction was tears of joy that it worked and so then by that night

they moved her into the hospital bed. They, as a practice, they make you sit up the first night. She sat up, vomited what she was able to drink because she was on clear liquids. She was so weak. The next morning they got her to stand up and take a few steps which was extremely dramatic. I saw that video.

Chris, I wasn't there for that because I was- You missed your daughter's first steps. I was with the boys because it was important, you know. Excuses. We both couldn't stay there the first night. I stayed with the boys, you know, be a support structure for them. And then I got there as soon as I could

after getting them off to school and then, so I missed that. But if I was there, I probably would've gotten vomited all over because she took two steps, vomited again, and then she had to get two units of blood over that day to get some sort of strength because of what she lost during the surgery. But then she really turned a corner after that

so then the next day she was up walking. She had to do like a, she had to demonstrate she could walk upstairs before she could come home. It's miraculous what, I mean, we talked to a woman from back in North Carolina who's a friend of ours who's 50 years old who went through the same surgery and she said it took her a year to recover. Oh yeah.

It's gonna take Lily six weeks to recover. Yeah, the age is such a significant thing. I'm like, can you feel these titanium bars in your back? She's like, no, I kinda feel like she kinda has, she kinda turns like Batman. She can turn her neck, but she's not used to the way her muscles, the way her back sits yet, of course. I'm sure she's got a...

But she doesn't feel the... And you've gotta heal completely before you're willing to start moving it around. But she doesn't feel like the bars, and I'm not like poking on her back or anything. I wouldn't suggest doing that for a while. Yeah. But she made it. I mean, I think the final,

you know, a big milestone was when we got in the van leaving the hospital to come home and we get in, you know, she gets in the front seat with all her pillows, Christy's in the back seat and I'm in the driver's seat and I just had a flashback to the moment, to the day we found out that she was gonna have to have surgery, like the first diagnosis, the story I told

where we got back in the minivan and all three of us just cried. And I felt like it came full circle when we got in the minivan again, leaving the hospital for the first time and we all looked at each other and Lily was like, we did it. So the first time in the minivan it was like, we did it. So the first time in the minivan it was like,

we need to do this, I need this surgery. That was her take immediately. We had to be convinced it was the right thing to do. And then it was, at the end it was like, we did it. And it's like, so I'll never forget that moment when we could breathe a sigh of relief and know that okay it was successful. I mean there's weeks of recovery ahead of us

but I'm so grateful to of course all the doctors and nurses and I can do the Jimmy Kimmel thing but I'm not going to where he mentioned all the doctors and nurses. Well you can mention the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles. Children's Hospital of LA, yeah. Donate to them. I'll get on the Jimmy Kimmel wagon. Do that.

I've done it, you should do it too. Yeah, they do amazing work there and yeah. I mean it's not over but for the most part it's over so I wanted to give you the update and that's it. Well we're glad that your bionic daughter is. Yeah, she's part wolverine and part vampire getting other people's blood. Well on her way to 100%.

Yeah man. And now let's shift gears and get to something more intriguing and not related to the heaviness of back surgery, now that that's behind us, bring Kevin in here. But first, we're gonna take a short break to let you know this episode of Ear Biscuits is brought to you by Parachute. Now, I've been sleeping on these Parachute sheets on my bed, that's where I sleep, on my bed.

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What happened? I had to go downstairs and sleep in Lincoln's bed and Lincoln's sleeping in my bed with Christy because it's closer to Lily, I'm helping her with the recovery if she needs to get up in the middle of the night. I don't know if that's worth it, man. I think your daughter's gotta suffer a little bit.

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just go to gettile.com slash ear. That's gettile.com slash ear. Yes, now on to the biscuit. So Kevin, did you have to travel for this? Are you coming back from a journey? Only from my desk to here. You traversed the internet. Yes.

I like to pretend that we sent you out. We don't have that kind of budget, man. But if this goes well, maybe we will. Yeah, we could like. Maybe we'll commission and like send him forth. Like you wear all khaki. I mean I did watch a lot of History Channel, which usually makes me feel like I'm going to a place.

Oh yeah. So in some way I did. Do you like khaki? I've never seen you in much khaki. I don't like khaki. Like Stevie has that khaki onesie that she wears and she has like a ranger hat. She's the only person I know besides cartoon characters

that has khaki onesies. You could do it, man. Listen, but we gotta say, if we start sending you out like, you know, go forth, son, I definitely think you should wear a khaki onesie and it should be like a sponsorship deal. I mean if you're a maker of a. Those male rompers.

If you're a maker of a khaki onesie and that you're willing to sponsor a trip. Is a romp him. Let us know. You've seen him. Romp him? A romp him, like a romper but for him. Yeah, I've seen him.

I think as a treasure hunter, khaki shorts would be a given. Yeah. So I feel like I'd have to. Pants, I think. You. I think as a treasure hunter, khaki shorts would be a given. Yeah. So I feel like I'd have to. Pants, I think. You might have to wear a belt to make people, other treasure hunters, think that you're wearing two different things. Yeah.

Because you don't want other treasure hunters to know that you have a romper on. So you gotta wear a belt to separate. I could do that. So this is the world's longest running treasure hunt? This is the world's longest running treasure hunt in history. And you're part of it now.

I am part of it, yeah. And are you gonna suck us in? I am, I'm not an expert by any means. We don't need those. But I am well versed. Well say that. I am an expert by all means. That's better, that's better.

I believe you if you were wearing a khaki, romp him. But. Sounds like a command, romp him now. I don't wanna ask the follow up question of what that means so instead I'll ask, where do we start? Set the stage. I'm gonna tease you guys first.

Oh gosh. I have a teaser for this. Tease it. But also I just gotta say, I did Ear Biscuits on the other end. Yeah you did. For a year. Yeah.

And we hired Kevin to produce Ear Biscuits. That was your first job with us. And then between the researching of people and then we started branching out and doing other stuff, we saw a burgeoning potential to move you over to Good Mythical Morning when Ear Biscuits slowed down. And it was great and I'd never, This is the first time I've had a guest perspective coming in. And I've done this so many times and I got nervous coming in.

And you know what it is? It's the dim lighting. Yeah, the dim lighting. You feel like you're being lulled into something where you're gonna be taken advantage of. I used to set the dim lighting. Yeah. That's why you should have your romper on. So we could romp you. You start teasing That's why you should have your romper on. So we could romp you. You start teasing us. You better be wearing that romper. Nice get doomed. You know you're going to get romped. Oh, God. Romped. Okay, let's move on.

You're doing the romping. I'm doing the romping. I'm going to romp and tease right now. So this longest running treasure hunt. Yeah. I'm going to tell you what it involves. It involves a deep pit on a small island, a small haunted island. Oh. Booby traps. Booby. Pirates.

Pirates. And conquistadors. Mm-hmm. It involves a pack of crazed dogs with fiery eyes. What? Motorcycle daredevils. Kevin. A crow.

No, you didn't. You didn't bring a crow in this, did you? They're smartdevils? Kevin. A crow. No you didn't. You didn't bring a crow in this, did you? They're smart. They are smart. He's not making it up. A US president. How's a president, okay. I'll tell you which one later.

John Wayne. And quite possibly, but not actually, the Holy Grail. But you spoiled that one, so I'm not hopeful. I did a little bit. Not probably, probably not. But maybe, we'll see. Okay, but maybe we'll see. Holy Grail. Leave the possibility open.

Yes, the best way to do this is from the beginning. Okay. So we're gonna start from 1795. Okay. All right. Put yourself there. There's a island called Oak Island. It's off the coast of Nova Scotia, Canada, in the Atlantic Ocean. There's one off of North Carolina, too, but this is not that one.

It looks like, no. It looks like the shape of a peanut, sort of. Now, in 1795, now this has a lot of history to it. There's pirates, and they say it's haunted. The first settlers of the island believed it was haunted. There was always strange lights emitting from the island. There's a story about two fishermen in the 1800s that went exploring and they were never seen again. In 1795 a teenager named Daniel McGinnis saw some lights coming off the island.

So he grabbed two of his buddies and they went out there exploring. Those two guys were John Smith and Anthony Vaughn. What they discovered was this. John Smith. John Smith. What a boring name. Anthony Vaughn's okay though. That's why he didn't tease,

and a guy named John Smith. Yeah. But Daniel McGinnis and these two guys saw this circular depression in the ground and they thought something's under there. So they started digging, okay? And they get, well they had to go get shovels and whatnot, but they started digging and they got 10 feet down

and after 10 feet they hit a floor of oak logs. Now Oak Island was called Oak Island because it used to be filled with oak trees, okay? So maybe not that uncommon that they see a floor there, but they dig 10 feet down more to 20 feet. These guys are digging like crazy. They're digging. With shovels?

With shovels, yeah. They broke through like an oak floor? Yeah, like wood oak floor logs. Get through that 20 feet, there's another floor. What? They break through that, they go down to 30 feet, another wood floor. This time, they're a little bit tired. They're 30 feet down, they're a little.

Do we have any idea how long this took? It sounds like, yeah, days. Yeah, took a little while, weeks. They were camping there for a while. They were 30 feet down and they were in over their heads. Yeah. Yeah, well they were already there at 10 feet. I heard that on the History Channel, that wasn't me.

Credit, all credit to the History Channel. You will be a great dad one day. I know, I'm practicing. So here's what they do. They decide we're in over our heads, we need to get some help. They do, but it takes them eight years. Did they hide the hole or? You know, that's takes them eight years. Did they hide the hole?

You know, that's unclear. Eight years? They must have, because nobody else stumbled on it. I mean, it is a little island in the middle of nowhere, essentially. All right, so. Not like there's a lot of demand for this. Seems like you could make this up,

but then, did they prove this part of it? They did, so what they did was, eight years later, they came back equipped with the Onslow Company. So the Onslow Company was just a company that believed in them and they had a crew and they had some money and some equipment. So they came out, they started digging, they got past that 30 mark, they got to 40 feet. Guess what was there? Logs. Logs. But there was also a layer of charcoal that was found. What?

Kinda weird, right? Kinda weird, charcoal and logs. Somebody camping down there. Let's go to 50 feet. Cooking, cooking. I mean, you bury charcoal when you're like cooking a pig. The Hawaiians. You think somebody's been cooking a pig

digging 40 feet deep? Not that deep. Forget about that pig. But if you're on an island, you go 40 feet deep? Forget about that pig. Okay but if you're on an island, you go 40 feet deep, aren't you hitting water table at some point? Oh, we'll get there. Okay, all right. But not yet.

50 feet deep, another layer of logs, and this time, some putty on top. Oh, it's definitely a barbecue at this point. Putty, some putty. How, what's the diameter of this hole? When you're going 50 feet deep, this is like a huge hole. This is like a crater now. It's a big, I have a picture, but it's a big circle.

Well you can dig, I mean when you dig a well, you don't have to keep maintaining the slope when you dig. If you're buttressing it properly. Don't ask me. I don't know what the word is. You have the civil engineering degree. Yeah, I took a whole class on hole digging. That sounds right.

But buttressing is very important. They buttress down to 60 feet. And down there, this is where it gets a little strange. Another floor and there was some coconut fiber down there. Now there isn't a coconut tree for 1500 miles. Coconut fiber. Yes, coconut fiber. So, coconut fiber, do a little research. Coconut fiber back in the day was used on ships, pirate ships, as something that they would line valuables with to protect it. So, like,

they'd have a chest, they'd shove a bunch of coconut fiber in there, and then put the valuable in there and close it up. Like packing peanuts. Like packing peanuts, exactly. Pirate packing peanuts. At this point, I would think that I was digging through a ship that had gotten buried sideways. Yeah, or like a. Oak boards every 10 feet. Like a ship that somehow got on its end and you were like digging through rooms.

So they're hoping. That's what it is, right? But they're hoping at this point they're gonna strike treasure. I mean that's why this company comes out there. Even before they're hitting coconut husks, there's a company involved because they want some money. That's right.

But there's not really indication that it's just a It's just a mysterious hole. Wishful thinking. Wishful thinking. Let me ask one question. Yes. Without spoiling anything about where this is going, I don't want you to tell me anything

about where this is going, but this aspect of it seems so crazy. Right. This aspect of it has been verified by modern day people, right? Oh yeah, yep. Everything you've told us is true. This isn't like, these guys could just be making this up,

but it's like, this isn't that long ago. I asked that at 20 feet, by the way. And now you're asking it at 60 feet. Yeah, I mean. I believe to 20 feet. Yeah, okay. There's a lot of variables, but yeah, a lot of testing, a lot of professors involved in this, scientists.

Professors is good, get the professors. Professors is good. Professors wanna cut that money too, man. Gold coins. They don't get paid extra though. They have is good. Get the professors. Professors is good. Professors wanna cut that money too, man. Gold coins. They don't get paid extra though. They have to give it to the school. If you find something as a professor, I think you have to put it in the library.

So they're 60 feet at this point. 60 feet, we're gonna skip down now to 90 feet. Gets more interesting at 90 feet, because at 90 feet, they find the first real clue. It's a cement slab. I'm gonna, it's actually not cement, it's a stone slab. Looks like a headstone. Maybe you can kind of describe that for the audio listeners here

and see if you can translate it. Well it's two lines of, I don't, like symbols that are like triangles, circles with lines through them, an arrow. Star, arrow, triangle, colons, percent signs, crosses. One of those is theta. I would say this is dingbats. Yeah, webdings.

Yeah, webding font. Yeah, and so this is, well obviously somebody was on the internet, or somebody, this was the beginning of Word. Yeah, basically. Microsoft Word. A professor translated this, or at least there's a theory to his translation here.

And what he believes this reads is, 40 feet below, two million pounds are buried. Oh gosh, yeah, you can see like 40. Do you see it? No he can't. No I'm saying that like now that you said that, 40, yeah see the triangle and the triangle, feet. This is that triangle and that triangle.

I don't see it but how many pounds? Two million pounds, 40 feet below. And Link, that's money in England. Yeah, and a lot of it. We're not talking about like two million pounds of fat that some guy liposucked out of some big people. Two million pounds of logs. Now, side note about this.

They're not gonna stop now, especially when they find this. And here's a little side note about this. John Smith, one of the three John Smith dudes that went down there, he took this home and apparently put it in his fireplace. I don't know why. Is it decoration or something?

I'm not sure. So this is a replica. I was going to say, well, it does look, it almost looks like somebody just took whiteout and drew on a slab. So it definitely seems replica-ish. Fishy's good, though. But let's keep going.

So now they're at about the 100, 110-foot area. So what this company does is they take this iron rod to start probing down lower, and they hit another kind of wood. So they're still hitting things. It was too dark at this point, but what they thought was they might have struck the treasure box. But it was dark, so they couldn't go down. Kind of a cliffhanger. They all have to go home at night.

They're very excited. They come home. Not come home. They come back the next day, and this is where the drama kicks in. Nothing's there. No, it is there. Now this pit is filled with water.

What? So remember I told you earlier there's some booby traps involved up in this thing? Here comes the booby traps. Now, they didn't piece this all together until years later, but I'm going to tell you how these booby traps went. Whoever constructed this,

they built a tunnel system underground. What they did was they built... So they found out, what you're telling me now was proven later. Was proven later, yes. So we have total, at this point in the story,

we know that it was a booby trap. Yes. And they piped in water that would fill up the place when you reached a certain depth. Yes, because what they did was when they prodded with that rod, they unlatched

a, basically like a hydraulic door system that was built under there, that opened up and water funneled into this thing. So when these guys had no idea. At 110 feet. 110 feet, 100 to 110 feet down. These guys didn't know what it was, so they were using buckets and things trying to empty it,

but it kept filling. So what they found out later was that whoever constructed this made these five, by the coast they built a dam. And they had these five separate tunnels that all came together into one. And that one tunnel went down to the 110, 100, 110 mark, feet down in this money pit, and it connected there so that if you struck it, you'd open it up and it would fill with water and you couldn't go back down it again. What? Okay.

If they wouldn't have gone home for the night, somebody probably would have drowned. But all this stuff was built before 1795, and the idea of someone being able to drill a hole from the beach to, you know, laterally to this place, the technology that would be required to do that just so you could bury a treasure? Probably alien.

Could be. There's theories, we'll get to the theories. I'm sure the aliens have the technology. Okay, I'm gonna hold off. Yeah, there's a lot of theories. We'll get to the theories at the end. I'm sure the aliens have the technology. Okay, I'm going to hold off. Yeah, there's a lot of theories. I'll tell you some of them later. You can see which ones you like. They couldn't figure out what to do.

They tried a lot of different things, couldn't figure it out, ran out of money. So at that time, they did not know that this is what was happening. Nope. Because they could have gone to the other end and plugged it up, and they would have solved their problem, but they didn't know. Had no idea. They tried everything they could to empty it. That didn't work.

They even tried drilling down another hole next to it, and that ended up filling with water. This is like a baby Jessica situation. Wasn't she the one that got caught in the well? Yeah. And they did the hole next to it? They did the hole next to the hole, yeah. And then the same thing happened with the Colombian guys.

They're still feedin' her. No, she's out, she's out now, she got out. I remember I saw it on television. I had cried. I had cried. You had cried? I cried when baby Jessica came out. You didn't cry?

I wasn't into it. It's like, all right, it's over. I wasn't following it, I'm not into soap operas. Well, it's real. I don't know anything about it. But I do know that- I don't even know about it. I can tell you that they ran out of money and they abandoned their search

and 45 years went by with no other searches. So this thing sat filled with water for 45 years until 1849 when the Truro Company came in. This is the next company to come in and start digging around. They used, now there's a little math here. So what they did was they dropped a, I think they called it a pod auger. Pod auger.

Let's call it that. Yeah, we'll call it a pod auger. So for years, how many years? Years, 45 years. They were, I just imagine everybody was talking about this thing Let's call it that. Yeah, we'll call it a pod hogger. So for years, how many years did you say? 45 years. They were, I just imagine everybody was talking about this thing and it went from hearsay to myth to legend and the implication is

whoever gets down in there and finds the treasure gets it. Yeah but it's Canada. I mean we're not talking about a lot of people. They don't get excited about much either. I mean I think if this was like, you know, in Mississippi, they'd all be really excited about it. But this is Nova Scotia. They got better things to do like chill out and be nice.

They already know that like money is not the key to happiness anyway. They're like, it's a lot of trouble to get down there. Eh. And then what do you get, eh? You get two million pounds? Who cares? Eh.

Eh, you know? So I think you may be misunderstanding the amount of drama, but it is still cool. It's cool, yeah. But another company's dropping pods. Another company's dropping pods, and here's what they discovered. They got back down to the same mark with a pod,

and they went through 12 inches and hit, I'm sorry, they went through four inches of oak when they got down to the same point, and then they hit, and this is in the water past that tunnel, okay? They didn't and this is in the water past that tunnel. They didn't empty the thing. Was somebody operating this thing? Yes, it was like a hand.

It's a submarine vessel where they send you air or something like that. So then. Oh, there was a guy down there. He's a pod, he's in a pod with an auger. Whoa, that's awesome. So then they got through six inches of spruce and down to the 112 feet.

This is a wood lover's dream. Yeah, your dream. Yeah. It was only clay. And then after that, they retrieved. Now here's, they're collecting things now. They got two pieces of gold metal links, like links on a chain.

Mm-hmm. That comes up. And are we at the 40 feet below the, like? We're further now. So they're actually before where they said that the clue said the 2 million pounds. They got further than that because they actually got down to 100. They thought between 154 and 161 foot level, there was a vault. That's what they thought it was.

It was like a vault of wooden boxes. And they actually even penetrated through that. And below that was an iron plate that was impenetrable. They couldn't get through it, at least at that time. an iron plate that was impenetrable. They couldn't get through it, at least at that time. But they thought that they had hit the treasure there. So they, what happened after that was they came up empty handed. They tried, they kept trying to plug the tunnel, like you said earlier, and they couldn't quite get it right. They couldn't get all, I think they found one of the five compartments

and plugged it, but they couldn't figure out the whole system, and they couldn't get it fully plugged. So they also ran out of money. Dang. And the search ended there. So they retrieved a few things, got a little further.

Everybody gets a little bit further as they go down. Couple of gold links. Yeah, couple of gold links. And there's a lot of little things that came up throughout this tunnel. I may forget some of them. I'm just trying to bring up the important ones

that stuck with me. So now we're going to cover the next 100 years. We're coming pretty close to the future. Just bring up what stuck with you. Exactly. That's all we want. Okay, so now we're going to cover 1861 to 1965. So we're going like the next 100 years,

we're getting real close to current day. Yeah, yeah we are. Bunch of companies involved through random times, Oak Island Association, Oak Island Treasure Company. Meanwhile there are people, how inhabited is this island by the mid 1800s? Not very, and that was something I was gonna talk about a little later, but basically the later,

closer in time it got to now, the more trouble there was with ownership of the land. Because people wanted to own the land to own the treasure. So there was a lot of trouble with that. But at this point, there was a company that started for the sole purpose of finding this stuff because they call themselves the Oak Island Treasure Exactly.

Hunting company or whatever. Oak Island Treasure Company. Okay, what should we call ourselves? Well, what do we do? How do we do it? Why do we do it? Got it. So I'm going to tell you some of their discoveries in this 100-year span,

and then we're going to get to the deaths because that's very important. Yeah, the deaths. Nobody's died yet. No, but they will. In 1897- When does the crow come into this? Well, the crow is kind of a side note, but you'll like the crow. Don't forget the crow.

I won't forget the crow. You tease the crow. So they found in 1897 a stone triangle that was off the coast that pointed directly toward the tunnel. Just another confirmation. Pirates. Pirates, man. They were always finding these little things that kept them going. There's nothing there, but then they'd see a triangle that points to the hole,

and they thought, there's something there. They also found a piece of sheepskin parchment. I want to show you guys this too. The sheepskin parchment had the letters V and I on it. V-I. V-I. Is it true it's not I-V? Nope.

Nope. That's the Roman numeral six. They also, VI. Got to the point with technology with cameras. They found this down in there? Yeah. A parchment? A parchment with the letter VI on it.

That comes into play in a theory later I'll tell you about. So they lowered a camera down. They thought they found other things too, like a human hand, some tools. We need to find a human hand and you don't. I think I found a human hand. It might be a prop. Could be a prop.

Could be a worker from the past. You know, it's hard to pinpoint where these things are coming from. A lot of hands, a lot of people. But in that time, people died, okay? And this is important because the first two people that died were in the mid-1800s. One of them, a steam boiler blew up.

I thought you were going to say, one of them, Steamboat Willie. I don't know what his name was, but... Steamboiler blew up. Steamboat Willie got blowed up by a steam boiler. Another guy fell down a shaft. Now, I don't know what shaft. They just said he fell down a shaft. I imagine it's the shaft or a shaft next to it that they dug Yeah. But he fell and died. Now I want to introduce you to the

Restall family. Robert Restall and his wife Mildred. Now these were the motorcycle daredevils. That was their jobs by trade. That's what they did for a living. When they heard about this- Motorcycle daredevils? Like Evel Knievel type? Yeah, Evel Knievel type. On the mainland? On the mainland. Husband and wife. Still Canadian though. I believe so, yeah. Although, you know, I'm not the expert here. But I am the expert.

You're our expert. I'm your expert. So they wanted a piece of the action. They thought, we're daredevils. We'll get in on this game. They moved their family out there. That's a frequent rationalization of things amongst motorcyclists. Yeah, especially when you're a daredevil. They moved their family out there. They're a frequent rationalization of things amongst motorcyclists. Yeah, especially when you're a daredevil.

They move their family out there. They're out there for six years working on this. And there's like, you can see videos of them talking about how they're going to get to it. They're going to get the treasure. So we're talking like the 60s at this point? Yeah, this point is 1959 to 1965. Bingo. So unfortunately, it didn't pan out that way for Robert.

In 1965, he was working on one of the pits and he breathed in some type of poisonous gas and he fell and he died. And his son ran after him to help him. He breathed in the gas. He breathed in the gas and died? He died. Oh dang.

Two other workers ran after them. Breathed in the gas? And they died. Was it a booby trap or something they brought in? No, this was just something from the excavation that, not sure what the gas, I can't. Or the curse. Or the curse.

At this point, they have to be saying there's a curse. Yes. The moral of the story is don't go in and try to save your dad. No. That's right. Not, unless he's a motorcycle daredevil, which he was, in which case you're right.

Don't save your dad. Hold your breath. Yeah. So, okay, now remember, now six people have died. Just got to remember that, okay? It's very important that you remember that six people died. Yeah, VI, man. VI, six people died.

I'm going to come back to the six people dying. That's what I'm saying, Roman numerals. Now, I mentioned a couple of famous people got involved. No, you didn't. Yes, you did. Remember the president of the United States? Yes. You want to know which one it was? At that time?

Well, it was earlier. It was in 1909. It was Franklin Roosevelt. Okay, uh-huh. So he was all excited by this. So he bought into some stock for one of the treasure searching companies. I don't know if it was the one or a different one.

And he actually went out there twice to be part of the excavation. There's a picture of him. FDR. FDR, yeah. Trip on that, huh? Looking for a new new deal. And then John Wayne went out there looking for a new deal. It's right up his alley, man. Yeah, actually. Well, I could go up there and find me some treasure. John Wayne is, from side note, he went to school in my hometown of Lancaster, California.

Really? Yeah. You met any of his relatives? None of them, not one. Apparently he used to talk highly of it, which is weird because I never do. I just dropped out. Me too, you hear anything? I just lost my audio.

I like laugh so loud, we lost it. It was like a shock to my system too. Is this still working? Oh, it's back. We're back, we're back. Did anything change back there? Okay, Maggie's saying everything's good. I thought the curse had hit us.

Well, yeah, that happens. Hold your breath. Like when I was watching The Ring that time and right at the moment where she was about to come out of the TV, the whole entertainment system went down. Whoa. And me and my father-in-law ran across the house

to be with my mother-in-law. Went out again. It went out again. Dude, it's happening. It's a curse. Jiggle some wires, man. Are you seeing anything over there, Maggie, when that happens?

Jiggle wires. Or is it just us on this side? It's that thing, it's the short on the thing. Oh my gosh, guys. I'm kinda getting freaked out. I don't think these six people. If one of us dies, I'm not sticking around, I'm leaving. I'm not gonna make the same mistake.

Well, unless you're the one who dies. If one of us dies, then the rest of us need to go to Oak Island. Is it coming back? No. Nothing, I got nothing. I think these six people are here, guys. Checky, checky, checky.

Check, check, check. Here it comes. Getting freaked out. Oh, nope. Getting freaked out. There is a teeny little difference between that and this. There's nothing there. And then I cut this on and you get a teeny bit. Yeah, you do get a little.

If you're 100% sure that we're good, that you're still reading, we'll just take these off. Keep going. Yeah. I think it's this baby. Yeah, probably. The Oak Island curse has hit our. I don't think it can cross the border.

I don't think it can cross the border. Unless it's through a podcast. Perhaps it can. It's through the internet, man. Maybe the aliens who are the ones who set this up, they don't like it when you start talking about this. And they have a way of controlling our technology. Any sort of resistance while researching this?

I got real tired last night. I got real tired, man. Of course it was late and I've been working on this a long time. They're wearing you down. Yeah, worn me down a little bit. The thing is, is the Oak Island money pit, no money has come out of it. All the money's gone into it.

Right. That's why it's the money pit. Uh-huh. Oh, so what happened to the six? Where are we? Okay, so here we are. We're not going to take bad headphones for an answer, curse ghosts. No, we won't.

We're pressing on. There is. A lot of people do believe in a curse including the history channel and that's that's going to be coming up here on the close but these six people died keep that in mind told you about roosevelt and john wayne so this brings us up to pretty much current time i told you there was some battle for the land they realized not long ago that the only real way to make money off of this island was... Tourism. Yes, exactly.

And then it became a battle of who owned the land to collect in on that tourism. So in 2006, two brothers essentially took hold of the entire island. These dudes' names were... They're listening to this right now. Yeah, they probably are. They're listening to this right now. Yeah, they probably are. They're listening to this live,

and they're the ones that tapped into this. I'm so on edge right now. I'm like freaked out, and when you're like, they're listening, I thought you were talking about the ghost. Well, but I mean, I don't mean to tempt fate or anything, but all they did is take our headphones out. I mean, we're still talking. Yeah.

We're still on the internet. It was a warning. I mean, if like a fire broke out in here right now, that would be, that would be, well, one of you guys dropped dead. Of course, like I told you before, one of you drops dead, I'm outie 5,000. If one of you drops dead, I'm going to Oak Island. I'm gonna tell you why.

Because the theory is. You didn't skip the crow, did you? I didn't skip the crow. Good, don't forget about the crow. The crow's gonna be a let down because there's didn't skip the crow, did you? I didn't skip the crow. Good. Don't forget about the crow. The crow is going to be a letdown because there's not much about the crow. The best thing about the crow is the teaser at the top. So the theory is that the only way the treasure is going to be found in Oak Island is once all of- two things, two variables.

All of the oak trees are gone and all of them are gone. And the second variable is seven people must die. Ooh. All of the oak trees are gone, and all of them are gone. And the second variable is seven people must die. Ooh. Because six is an incomplete number. Six is an incomplete number. You know that six can never be the end. You gotta get to seven. That's right.

So we're one death away from finding that treasure. Okay, now we may as well get into the other theories because we're caught up to about present day. I mentioned the brothers. Their names are Mark and Ritty. Ritty. Mark and Marty and Rick. I like when it was Ritty better.

Mark and Ritty. Mark and Ritty. Mark and Rick. Lagina is their name. But they're selling tickets to this place. You can go and you can visit? No, they're going to one- That's their name. But they're selling tickets to this place. Well- So you can go and you can visit? No, they're going to one-up you on this. You can, but they have a show on the History Channel about this place.

They have a whole show? They have a whole show. Oh gosh, don't give us- Four seasons of a show hunting for this treasure. I think it's called The Curse of Oak Island, I believe. I've seen some of it, haven't seen all of it. Oh. They're brothers.

They never intended to be reality stars. They got four seasons out of this? They got four seasons. And it's still going? It's still going, and apparently people are hooked. Someone out there, Morgan was telling me that his dad or his wife's dad or something, every time he talks to him, he's always saying, hey, did you see the mystery of the cursed island?

Whatever the heck it's called. They're like following it. Yeah, he's following it along. But it's these two brothers who are like, it's them dealing with owning this thing and that kind of thing. So it's a reality show about those guys. Reality show about them, their crew,

some other people, treasure hunters who are digging down, finding clues, and they're determined to bring up the treasure. So they're the most recent team of people and they gave them a show. Okay, and so again, it's like, just like you said, the money pit, the fact that this thing exists

is generating income for these guys now. Yes, now it is. Probably two million pounds when you convert it all up. That's right. Apparently, I read the number as high as 10 million was put into over the years of trying to find this treasure. It could be between 2 and 10.

It was probably more likely on the higher end because a lot of these people put a lot of money into this. But, yeah, these guys are making money now off of this. So what is the status of what technology they're using? Like, eventually, so you said something about an iron plate at some point. Right. So how far are they down? Is it still filled with water? Have they completely plugged the flooding parts?

Yeah, at some stage they were able to, I think what they did was blow up those tunnels. They, with some dynamite or something, blew them up. Filled them in, collapsed them. Yeah, collapsed them in. And they were able to extract the water and keep digging.

They got past that iron plate. I'm not sure how far they've gotten. I think this map here is outdated because I think this one goes down to 212 feet. Okay, so they're through the water table at this point. Yeah, they're through that plate. They're through the water table there. And I guess there's even some water deep down buried beneath it.

But they've gotten far through it. No actual treasure chest has come up. They still believe that something is down there because who would go to all these great lengths to do this? Unless it's an elaborate prank. But they've gotten below where the headstone that the guy put in his fireplace said it was going to be. And they found there was an oak chest with parchment

just below 150 feet. You know, so it seems like, but it was empty? Right. Well, what they think, there's a lot of things. A pirate prank. Yeah, could be a pirate prank. But there's a lot of theories. I'm going to go through some of the theories with you guys to see if any of them stick.

Okay. And again, these are all theories. So one of them is that, well, besides what's in there, I told you about the deaths, and I told you about the oak trees. Another guy said that on the History Channel that a pack of wild dogs with those fiery eyes has been seen on the island, and they protect the pit. Also, a crow. I don't believe that part.

A crow who embodies a spirit of some ancient figure watches over the pit. John Wayne? Maybe, I told you it was a bit of a let down. I didn't mean to get your hopes up about the crow. John Wayne is the crow. There's a possessed crow. Possessed crow and rabid dogs.

John Wayne was found with like 40 pounds of impacted fecal matter in his, inside of his body when he died. Yeah, that's what I heard on one of those. I heard that on like one of those late night infomercials for some fiber product. They're like, do you know that John Wayne was found with 40 pounds of impacted fecal matter in his body

that later turned into a crow. I hope his family's getting a piece of that. That guards the... I mean the money, not the fecal matter. Okay, so but that's... You can't make claims like that and not to sell a product and not pay John Wayne's estate. Yeah, yeah. I got a hat with John Wayne on it. And I bet he got a piece of that.

Yeah, yeah. His estate does. Yeah, I like John Wayne too. So then let's get to the theories about the treasure. There's one of the most common theory, I think, of the Canadians and the islanders up there is that it's buried pirate treasure, specifically Captain Kidd. Captain Kidd.

With two Ds. With two Ds. I don't really know much about Captain Kidd. He's a good hole digger. Yeah, he's a good hole digger. If it is. I mean. Buried treasure.

There's a reason why you associate pirates with buried treasure. Because they buried treasure. Yeah, but they didn't bury it this deep on the reg. Because you don't have to. It could have been very special. Seriously, what I'm trying to wrap my mind around is maybe I'm wrong about assuming how difficult it would be to do this because let me just start by saying they did dig wells, I mean they dug wells

thousands of years ago so people can dig. Let's just start with the fact, people can dig. And in 1700s, 1600s, whatever, people were capable of digging. And if you could dig a well all the way down to this area, which if this was a well at some point for somebody, then they were like, hey, let's fill in that well. Oh, I got an idea. I got an idea.

That's Rhett's theory. Let's fill the well in, but as we go, we'll do some crazy stuff and put in a... Hey, throw in Earl's hand. I know it came off. Is it still out? Yeah, throw it in there. Let's confuse the crap out of some people, put some weird stuff in there just for funsies. It's a lot of trouble. To dig these booby trap tunnels? Well, let me just finish my theory. So that makes sense in terms of... You would never dig down to do this,

but if you already dug down for water purposes, you may go through all this effort for funsies just going up, but you're right, the one big hole, actually five big holes in my theories, are the five tunnels that come in from the side, because that, my friends, is very difficult to do, especially in that kind of sandy soil that you would think was very difficult to buttress, is the correct word. Yes.

You know what I'm saying? Those side tunnels. I know. Okay, keep going. That's the trippy part. There might be an explanation for it in one guy's theory, which is that, and this is one of the more creative ones, you ever heard the idea that Shakespeare

didn't write his plays? Yeah. And he wasn't a person. Yeah, or that he was not smart enough to write them. He just put his name on there. Yeah, and Sir Francis Bacon wrote the plays. Didn't know about that. That's one of the theories.

So there's this professor, I think her name is Dr. Ruth, from Iowa State University. Okay, I know what she knows Dr. Ruth from Iowa State University. Okay, I know what she knows about. And she says that... She knows about different holes. Different Ruth, different holes. That might not even be her name. I think it is. She says that that VI that I brought up earlier,

that was that sheepskin parchment. She said, I bet there's mercury down there too, when she heard that that was dug up. And the reason why was because apparently mercury was used to preserve things. And I guess they did find mercury all over that island. And she said that she knew that because Sir Francis Bacon wrote a lot back in that time about how he used mercury to preserve things. So what she believed, jumping those conclusions, was that all the manuscripts that Sir Francis Bacon wrote is what's buried down there to prove that he's actually the real Shakespeare. In Nova Scotia?

In Nova Scotia. Sir Francis Bacon? And apparently he was like the best scientist of the time, so she was like, well of course he could devise all these tunnels and all these crazy contraptions. He's smart. And the only external clues are that triangle that's out in the ocean?

There was other little ones too that they found along the way, but the question is, were they always there? Right, right, if that theory's true, other little ones too that they found along the way, but the question is, were they always there? Right. They put him there. Right, because if that theory's true, then he wanted this to be found, right? Right. And you gotta go deeper than just a sunken depression

on a weird island off the coast of Canada. You gotta, in other words, I think that there would be evidence in his writings that later, so people looked into that? Maybe. Obviously I don't know the answer to that question. You're not, you're not working for the History Channel, you work for Mythical Notre Dame.

Exactly. What, I mean, what's the, what are the other theories, what's your pick? Because I've got a theory. One I like a lot is that the, this was constructed by the Knights Templar. The Knights Templar were like- Kind of like Illuminati. Kind of, yeah.

But back in the day when they first started, they were like a military religious thing that eventually turned into kind of what the Freemasons are today. But there's a lot of history about them with treasure and the Holy Grail, and they buried treasure, and they known to be frequent these parts. And so one of the theories here said that the Knights Templar had been linked to the mystery of Oak Island by many, primarily because historical records suggest that they had both motive and means to deposit treasure in the money pit. And this is their connection with the Holy Land, prompting speculation of untold wealth in the form of and this is their connection

with the Holy Land prompting speculation of untold wealth in the form of the Holy Grail. So people think the Holy Grail's down there. Could be but probably not. Probably not. Could be but probably not. Again, I mean I think that someone started digging a hole and then they just started, it was just,

let's perpetuate this prank. I think people came in iteratively and trying to find treasure and dug further and then when they didn't find anything, they perpetuated the myth to make it a money pit for other people to try to find something that wasn't there. But who put the stuff there to begin with? There was like a little shallow something.

Over time, people were digging for something. No, no, physically think about what you're suggesting. Yeah, they would fill it back in. You're thinking that somebody dug and they fill it back in and then somebody dug a little bit further then filled it back in. No, a bunch of people, every, like. That's the worst theory I've ever heard in my life.

When you get, listen, the History Channel, let's start there, they got four seasons out of this thing. Right. They don't wanna find anything except drama. These people didn't know about the History Channel, let's start there. They got four seasons out of this thing. Right. They don't want to find anything except drama. These people didn't know about the History Channel. I'm starting with the most recent. You're saying the History Channel people went back in time? No, I believe that.

History Channel was like, listen, we're struggling. All right, I'll let go of my iterative theory. Dig a big hole. Because that doesn't make any sense. This was a one-time thing. The people now don't want to find treasure. They want to have more seasons of a television show and make money in the only way they believe they actually can, which is not finding anything, but making everyone else think that they're

gonna find something. The History Channel has the treasure. They might have the treasure. If the treasure exists, the History Channel found it. They found it, and they're covering it up. Without a doubt. By not covering it up. I mean, it's 200 feet deep.

Right. It's what, 10 feet wide, whatever. I mean, at this point, guys, you don't have to, I mean, me and you could go down there in a couple of Speedos and start moving around and find something, you know what I'm saying? It's like, send us down there for a couple of weeks. We'll come back with something.

I don't wanna wear a Speedo, I get all scuffed out. Well, we'll wear a, you know. We'll wear a romper. A romper, water boots. Not a safari. Like a wetsuit romper. I can legitimize his theory a little bit though. Do it.

I will. And a couple quick ones, it's a coffin is another theory. One guy said he thinks it's just a sinkhole. What do you mean a coffin, like a burial shaft? Yeah like a burial yeah like a barrier yeah like it was uh yeah a tomb um the brothers and this is kind of the last thing I had here for you guys the guys that host this show four seasons strong I guess it's more popular than ever now they're on Colbert earlier in the year I believe they I saw an article they said they're gonna get

that treasure but if you wanna figure out what it is, you gotta tune into season five. Yeah. So Link might be onto something here, man. Why would they find it in season five? I completely believe that they found the treasure before they bought the land, they found the treasure.

They were like, they got this idea, they talked to History Channel, they're like, reality TV, especially 2006 is when reality TV was the future. Oh yeah. The writer's strike was around that time, the first writer's strike, right? Or one of the writer's strikes, 2007,

it doesn't time out exactly, but you know what I mean. If it wasn't for those booby trap tunnels, which what I was trying to say was they were dug later in order to legitimize a continued search. That's feasible. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. That's definitely feasible. Because that's the only thing we really gotta explain

is these tunnels, like someone digging a hole and then. What we really need is somebody with a civil engineering degree to like contemplate this. Yeah, we don't know anybody. And some khakis. Yeah, yeah. Man, I mean, I haven't, I can't say that I'm gonna watch the show.

I feel like I got my money's worth in this ear biscuit, man. That's what we do for the people. That's right. It's like we sum up seasons of reality TV and all of the commercials you gotta endure. No, I think people. And all all of the teasers before the commercials. There's a lot of people who are gonna go watch that show now, those guys should be thanking us.

Thank you, you're welcome brothers. You know what, we invite the brothers on our show. Yeah, let's get these brothers on here. Even on Colbert, come on our show. What I will say is that what this inspires me to do is I think that we should set our sights on a, whoa, on a late in life project similar to this. I love digging a good hole.

We're gonna be so bored with everything, man. Let's just make a pact right now. If we make it to, if we're still alive at 75, which hopefully we will be, that's not too old, right? That's hole digging prime then. No, no, no, no, we'll hire some young guys. Bucks. Some young bucks.

Put them in Speedos. No I'm just kidding. It won't be like that. Rompems. Put them all in rompers. Where there's rompem. And have them do it, but it'll be our brain children. And we'll do it.

It'll be full of booby traps. And we'll leave a legacy, man. That'll be our legacy. That'll be the legacy that we live is a big old hole. We'll go our brain children. It'll be full of booby traps. And we'll leave a legacy, man. That'll be our legacy. That'll be the legacy that we live is a big old hole. We'll go 400 feet deep. Think of the technology. Think of all the things we can, we'll put crows inside cages along the way.

They can talk. You can teach them to talk. And give them little fly tunnels from the side. And you know what? Of course, we're setting it up right now. It will be a reality television show, but it'll be a reality competition show because we're gonna, you booby-trapped that stuff.

What's that like? Indiana Jones, man. I'm talking boulders rolling out. Like darts going through. People are gonna die. People are gonna die, they're gonna sign a waiver first and we're gonna film it all. Oh we're gonna set up cameras as we go down.

We should put the wiring in. It'll all be wireless. Here's just a couple of requests at this point. Wi-Fi out the wazoo. I don't want it to be a straight hole. I want it to be like a crazy straw. You know, we're gonna go down. We're gonna go back up sideways. I'm saying we're building obstacle course treasure hunt things. It's life or death situations around the world. And we're creating seasons and seasons of shows for Spike.

I don't know. Whatever, it'll be that point. But we cannot tell people where these are going to be. I can safely say there won't be any in Nova Scotia. I'm not interested. They've already dug a hole. We could use that. It's always been, oh no, no, no.

Production value. No, that's just the beginning of one of our holes, man. Our holes are deep. So much bigger. And big and go all kinds of different directions. Am I in on this with you guys? No. Okay. Yeah Kevin, if you're still around too, yeah. You can be like Jeff Probst.

Oh really? Yeah you can host a show. Yeah. You'll be old, man. Dang, he's legitimately like one of my favorite hosts on television. Well if he old, man. Dang. He's legitimately one of my favorite hosts on television. Well, if he's not available, you can... I got real excited when you said that just now.

You could be Jeff Probst. I got way more excited than I should have been. Yeah, I mean, you have to drag out the dead bodies, but it'll be awesome. And in the least, if we don't do that grand plan, we should at least hide like a USB drive in some city somewhere. You know, that might be a little more... This now just all got boiled down to geocaching. All right, Kevin. This has been exciting.

Let's just get into geocaching. Man. That's more realistic. Those teasers paid off. Yeah, man. I might have to go to Nova Scotia. Yeah, well, go during the summer. Cold down in that hole.

All right. And there you have it, our intriguing biscuit with Kevin. Kevin, Mythical Crew, Kevin, he did a good job, man. He brought the intrigue, he started deep. He started with some teasers, then he dug deep for that one. Yes he did. Yeah.

Yeah, it's very, I don't know. This is the kind of thing I'm gonna be thinking about. I'm gonna be thinking about it when I go to bed tonight. I'm gonna be thinking about that hole in the ground. And just wondering what's out there right now. I enjoyed the conversation, but you know. But you're not gonna be thinking about it. I'm gonna tuck it away and I'm just gonna,

I think about the back of my eyelids when I go to sleep. I just zone out and just like relax maybe. Well you leave the thinking to me. That's cool. While you're sleeping. I don't need you to think for me while I'm sleeping. No but just like while you're about to go to sleep. All right if you got any thoughts

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