Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - A New Adult In The Neal Household | Ear Biscuits Ep.283

Episode Date: April 12, 2021

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This week at the round table of dim lighting, we're gonna be catching up with each other about our spring breaks. We did spring break, man. You're still Rhett. You're still Link? Yep, I still am, man. Yeah, our breaks kind of, you know, they weren't,

this was the first year I think that they weren't at the same time. Yeah. Because our kids go to different school systems, even though what is school, you know, with all of this trying to come out of the COVID of it all. I don't want, but. Spring break doesn't mean what spring break used to mean.

Cause school, nothing means what it used to mean. But it does mean they don't have to be on Zoom calls all day. Well, it means that, yeah. That's the only difference. Spring break still means there is no school for that week. It's just that our kids, it's two different weeks. So like mine was three weeks back now

and yours was last week. So it's basically just like, mine's not as fresh, but I'll tell you, a big thing did happen in terms of an update, and it's kinda tied to the season of spring break, and that is huge milestone in the Neal home. Fourth child, Christy is pregnant. Oh, gosh, no. Let's see how long we can let that sit out there.

Oh, I already said no, I'm sorry. You mean, oh no, we don't know if we're going to give it up for adoption. No, it's not true. Okay, no. Quite the opposite. In the Neal home, we gained an adult. Our oldest child, Lily, freaking turned 18 years old.

So now the adults outnumber the children. Even as I'm saying it, I don't believe it. Well, in my house, I'm not considered an adult. Well, right, okay, that's true. And that is the running joke. So now there are, Christy has another adult in the house. There's two moms and three boys. So I wanna talk about that

because I need to process that. But let's start with the vacation since it's very fresh. I don't know if there's something to kick it off here and then we'll certainly get back to- I saw something. The adult in my home, you saw something. I saw something on my spring break. Now, we went to the beach and we stayed in a,

like a community of condos kind of on the beach, right? And what I noticed pretty early about this community of condos is that while there were other people doing what I was doing which is like renting it for a week, there was a lot of people who had chosen to retire to this community. Side note, I was like, that seems nice. You know, I'm like, I'm sitting there

washing off my surfboards on the little porch area, and this British woman in a robe with a newspaper in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other hand. That's the life, isn't it? Just walks out and she says, hello. I'm just like, Mary Poppins is here? Oh gosh. And she was just-

Mary Poppins, do you have an umbrella? Well, if she had a third hand, she would. You don't need an umbrella in Southern California, man. Well, when I went to the beach a couple of weeks ago, it did rain the first two days. You picked the wrong week. We got no rain. It was beautiful the whole time.

Yeah. And she was just. Mary Poppins on my trip. I was cleaning my surfboard and she was like, oh, I thought they might be cleaning. Like there's people who come and clean or whatever. And I was like, nope, just me washing my surfboard. And she was like, I'm Margaret.

She kept it going. And I was like, hello, Margaret. And she just seemed, and later I saw her like walking with her husband and they just seemed so happy and contented. It's because you don't know them well. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, they're human. If I can be like walking with her husband and they just seemed so happy and contented. That's because you don't know them well. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, they're human.

If I can be that old with a robe. It's hard to be happy and contented, man. Especially, I'm actually concerned for her. It's like, she lives in this condo permanently, but then she's got these people who just come in and out of the place every week. She likes strangers though. I wouldn't like that part of it.

Well she does, you can tell, that's why she's- Did you tell her your name? Did you get into a convo? I did, she was like, I'm Margaret. I'm like, oh, I'm just Rhett, Margaret. Actually I didn't say that. Now that I think about it, I should have said that. Would you like a cigarette?

She looked like she might've been a smoker. But- What do you mean by that? Nothing. And then- Are her lips, they- What do you mean by that? Nothing. And then- Are her lips, they- She just looked- Sometimes I feel like-

I'm not an advocate of smoking. I can look at the lips of people who I think are smokers. And, cause growing up, I do know there is a certain wrinkly lip associated with the pooching of the lips for smoking cigarettes. I wasn't talking about sad smoker. I was talking about cool smoker, there's a difference. Well, that shouldn't be talked about at all.

I know. We shouldn't do anything to coolify smoking. It's not the Marlboro Man, we've been through that generation. I'm not trying to bring it back, I'm just saying I believe that Margaret might've been a part of the Marlboro Man generation, like a cool smoker.

Anyway, she does have that vibe and her voice was a little raspy, but that's not even what I wanted to talk about because I saw another woman. Speaking of contented, good Lord. I'm walking with the boys. So there's like one, it's one of those, you know, up and down the Southern California coast,

for a large portion of the California coast, there are these bluffs. Yes. You know what I'm saying? It's not like North Carolina where it's just like, you kinda go over some sand dunes and there's just beach. In California, you got bluffs. So basically these dirt cliffs. And so the beach accesses are kinda few and far between.

Right, and so for this whole community, there's one, and it's a giant thing. So we're walking through the entire community with our surfboards, getting ready to go down the steps. And the way that this thing is organized is it kind of is a tree of roads that go out into multiple cul-de-sacs, right?

Okay. So we're having to like walk through one of the cul-de-sacs to like get on this path. And there is a woman, she's also old, and she is walking. Oh, a retiree out for a morning walk. But we're walking down the road so I can see her at the end of the cul-de-sac

and I'm like, oh, this woman has just reached the end of the cul-de-sac and I'm like, oh, this woman has just reached the end of the cul-de-sac and she's looping around. But then I notice she loops in the cul-de-sac again. And then I notice she loops in the cul-de-sac again. Oh, she's looping in the cul-de-sac. That's her walk. She's stuck in the cul-de-sac. I don't know if she was stuck in a loop

or if this was intentional. I believe it was intentional. And I'm like, this is an interesting choice because it's not like leaving the cul-de-sac presents new challenges. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's still a flat road. It sounds like the senior citizen version

of a dog chasing its own tail. But she seemed happy. But that's only one aspect of this woman that I wanted to relay. The second aspect is the fact that she is listening to a book on tape is what I still call it. Got a Walkman. And how did I know what she was listening to?

Because she was holding her phone and it was on speaker. I've seen this before, yeah. Now as you're approaching, you're realizing this and you're also realizing, I'm not even gonna meet her once, I'm gonna have to meet her twice on both sides of the cul-de-sac. No, the timing is such that I could either completely bypass her

or I could cross her once, but I'm not gonna get stuck in the loop. This is a strange practice. I mean, I thought about getting stuck in the loop just out of sympathy, just once, just like, come on boys, we're gonna take a loop with this woman and then we're gonna release and go to the beach. But she's listening to a book on speakerphone.

Not just any book. Why? She's listening to a romance novel. What? Because the only thing that I made out was she grabbed him by the hips. Yes. So she was listening to a romance novel on a loop,

on speaker, and I happened to get the sex scene, which I mean, they're pretty frequent in a romance novel. Probably every three or four loops, she probably has a sex scene. It's a pretty big cul-de-sac. I would say every three or four chapters is a sex scene. It depends on who the author is, but I was like, this woman is living her best life.

So did you get behind her when you started to hear the hips? No, I thought that would be inappropriate, but it hit me. I was like, there are things about this scenario that I could worry about this woman. Like if this one was my mother or my grandmother, I'd be like, yeah, grandma, she's stuck in a loop again.

And she's listening to a romance novel on speaker. But then it, I saw it in a different light. And I was like, this woman has made the choices that she wants to make without regard to anyone's opinion. I mean, I don't, she's not stupid. She didn't look stupid and she didn't care. She didn't care that I knew that she's not stupid, she didn't look stupid. And she didn't care. She didn't care that I knew that she was in a loop. She didn't care that I knew that she was listening

to a romance novel, that the sex scenes were penetrating the air and my ears and my children's ears. I admire this woman. I'm not concerned about her at all. I just wanted to relay it as a beautiful picture of humanity. I just don't, is there a reason why she's listening on speakerphone?

Is it- That's the thing you're taking issue with? Yeah, that is the one thing like- You're just bypassing the loop. That makes sense to you. Yeah, it's like, maybe she, you know, I could come up, I don't really care about that, you're right. But the, it's just like the people who talk on speakerphone,

like this, I think it's tapping into a pet peeve of mine, people in public talking on a speakerphone when they should, and they'll listen, and then they'll put the phone up to their mouth as if it's not on speakerphone in order to talk into it. Oh, people do this a lot. Like, this is a version of that that's even worse. I think it might be a distaste for-

Headphones. Headphones. Like not knowing how to use headphones or keep up with them, or maybe she just lost them. Well, I don't have my headphones, but I still gotta get my story. Yeah. I think the explanation of the loop- She definitely calls it my story.

Is simpler than we might think. I think it could be, again, nothing against people who are aged, but it could be a bladder issue. It could be like, if I need to pee, I don't wanna be too far away from my apartment, right? I don't wanna be on the other side of this complex when it hits me.

Maybe she just got back home, but she wants to hear more of her story. So kind of like with a podcast, you might sit in your driveway to finish it up before you go in the house. But again, this is why the other part is the part I care. Yeah, maybe there's- I don't really care about her reasons.

You don't care about- That's your point. You don't care about the reasons, but that one, using a speakerphone on a phone in general, bothers me, except in very narrow situations. When you're like, you want your whole family in the living room to hear what grandma's saying on the phone call, you know?

Sometimes I don't wanna hold the phone in my ear though. I don't like doing that either, but I will go through the trouble to put in the- What if you don't have your headphones? The headphones. There are some times when I'm- I put it in my ear, man. I'm doing something- I use it like doing that either, but I will go through the trouble to put in the- What if you don't have your headphones? The headphones. There are some times when I'm- I put it in my ear, man. I'm doing something- I use it like a phone.

Well, no, there's sometimes, like, never in public. But if I'm in the house and Jessie calls me and she's talking to me, and Jessie does this too, I've noticed, I hadn't really thought about this until now. Like, my wife talks to her sister quite a bit, right? And there are many mornings where I go into the bathroom and Jessie is like getting ready in the bathroom and she's just got her phone on the counter

and she's having a conversation with her sister. Like that's very common. And I feel like I get that. You want it to be in your ear? I mean, I'm just saying at your house. If you're getting ready and you can't put stuff in your ears and because your face is getting wet. Sometimes you just don't want to hold it up here though.

When you're doing stuff with both your hands, yeah. But ideally there'd be a, I mean, I do that. I put the earbuds in. But yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's a way to just celebrate it and say, you know what, she's doing her thing. Let's stay out of it. Yeah, the woman in the loop.

But you're right about the cliffs, to get back to that. I mean, because we went to a little further south than you. Our vacation was at Del Mar. So we're like at like Torrey Pines Nature Reserve. There's Torrey Pines Golf Course on the south end of that. Very famous. Then there's like this big point that comes out and it's this reserve where these Torrey Pines reside, I think is one of the only places on earth

where these particular pine trees grow. What makes them so Torrey? What does that even mean? I looked at them and they, I rode my bike up there and they didn't look that, I couldn't have said, wow, I've never seen a pine tree like this before. It was a little bit different, but it wasn't like,

you have to be a botanist. The limbs start at the top, No. and the bottom, are they all across straight at the top? Yeah, it's not tall and slender, it's more wide and even from the- Like a giant Christmas tree. But not rectangular Yeah, it's not tall and slender. It's more wide and even from the- Like a giant Christmas tree. But not rectangular either.

It's more- Rectangular? You mean triangular? That's what I meant, yeah. Triangular. The old rectangle tree. So I was like, well, I'm interested in this. It is a little bit more unshapely, going in all types of directions

than it being vertical and triangular in nature. But you can also, you have to time your hike down on the beach in front of Torrey Pines Reserve for the tides. I mean, a lot of the beach here, it just goes away. You get so excited about renting a place at the beach and then you get there and you realize, first of all, I'm like 45 feet above the beach

and I can't just walk out and just go down like that's the North Carolina beaches that have spoiled us where it's like 100 yards of beach before you get to the water and you have to time it right to hike that, the frontage part, like the beach part of Torrey Pines Reserve and one of the main things you gotta watch out for is you can't walk too close to the cliffs because, I mean, and I read this thing in their brochure. They'll fall.

Like a dude died, like boulders fell down, like a little landslide and just killed the guy. And it happens not infrequently. Yeah, I mean, last time we went to the beach closer to where you were, we set up our stuff on the beach and the lifeguard came over and said, you need to get away, you're too close to the cliff. You gotta be closer to the water because it's dangerous.

And I was told by somebody who lives down there, so there's all these really nice homes that are like right at the top of the bluffs, right? And you see that some of them have like a deck or something or a patio that literally it's beginning to erode underneath their patio. Yeah, like there. And I don't know, I'm maybe speaking out of school,

I'm just relying on testimony of one individual who lives down there. But I was told that if your property falls into the ocean or falls off of the bluff, you cannot rebuild. So it's very difficult to get insurance. So if you're, and every few years apparently, somewhere along California coast, it's like, oh. There goes my deck.

Somebody lost their house or a portion of their house, it becomes, it gets condemned and there's nothing you can do. I was also told that the steps that come down from the homes to the beach, which a few homes have those, if those go away, you can't rebuild those. You know the steps up at Point Doom, just northern Malibu, there's that huge point. Our very first ever paddle boarding excursion,

which was a part of the Mythical Show. We had to walk down all these flights of stairs with those paddle boards in order to get down there because it was more of an isolated beach on the south side of Westward Beach. And that's where we tried to learn because it was so isolated. And I took Christy there for Valentine's Day.

We were gonna have like a, well, we were just gonna have a beach date. Don't tell me the steps are gone. And it was so windy. I was like, I know the place where we need to go. And we went to that place and yeah, they have removed all of the steps. I don't think they eroded away or anything.

They removed all of it. You can't get to point, you can't get down there to the beach? And then there's like tape up, like caution tape, and there's a crane. I think they're gonna rebuild it all because there's a crane there and it's been there for a year though.

And- That's like a beautiful spot. I was like, we're here, this is a beautiful spot. It's Valentine's Day, there's so much wind. This is the only place that isn't gonna have wind. And I go underneath the caution tape and I'm like, we're just gonna go down the steps. And then once we go under there with our stuff, I'm like, Christy's behind me, I'm like,

there are no steps anymore, but there are people down on the beach. So if they can do it, we can do it. So then for the next 20 minutes, we're like on our butts with like- Sliding down the- Like a cooler and a freaking blanket and like you're just trying to get down the cliff.

You didn't end up having sex on the beach, did you? Because I know that you guys like to do that. You know how it is when like you have these thoughts in your head and then like when you're actually living the reality of it. Oh, you were thinking about it. Well, I'm always thinking about it. Because I know you also bring a blanket wherever you go, regardless of the season.

It's key to bring two blankets for such a scenario as this. A really big blanket will work. Yeah, one that'll fold over. Yeah. I mean, I've got privacy standards, good gracious. But yeah, none of that, I mean, it was, basically it was a near death experience to get down there. And then the whole time we're just kind of worried,

how much is it gonna be more difficult to get back up? I get so anxious about that kind of thing. Like, are we gonna, like, I'm always like, you know what? I know I can do it, but I don't know if the rest of my family can do it. And I feel responsible for them all. And when we were coming down, there was this like really buff, huge guy

and this really small girl. Typical Melody. And then they were in a fight because he was down at the bottom yelling at her halfway to just come on down, but not in a Price is Right kind of way. And I like our relationship is- Hinging on this moment.

Hinging on this moment kind of a way. As it should. She did get down there and then she did, you know, she took off most of her clothes and he started taking pictures of her. Oh, she's an Instagram model. Apparently, that's what happened. Did you ask her for her handle?

No. Hey, I'm really interested in what you've got going on here. I would really like to see it on the internet. No, but I mean, Christy talked to her and encouraged her that she did a good job of getting down the mountain. Oh, really? I thought you were about to-

But I will say that Christy passed her and just showed her how it's done. Yeah, girl. We need to talk about, not right now, but just file this away, the Instagram handles that are on the back of trucks in North Carolina, which is a whole phenomenon.

I've heard about this. We gotta get into that one day. Yeah, well, I know we're going back home and it's like, maybe I think we'll have fresh eyes coming back from going back home and hopefully we'll see some of that. You know what, I'm saying right now, when I go back home this summer,

I'm gonna be on a mission to catalog all the InstaTrucks that I see, and then I'm gonna have an InstaTruck off on my Instagram. Oh, shoot. Well, hold on, I wanna join in on this. Okay, well, it can be a tournament. Okay, who gets the best InstaTruck? And it goes by who finds the one with the most followers.

Wins the, wins a truck. Okay, all right, so one of us is going to buy the other guy a truck. But it could be any truck. It could be like a $200 truck that somebody's trying to get rid of. This is fun, this is fun. All right, all right, challenge accepted.

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in the video version, I think it was, yeah, episode before last, in the video version, we cut to footage of Jesse filming each of our kids when we first moved to Los Angeles, when they were in the airport. 10 years ago. We were talking about the 10 year anniversary. And I know a lot of you got a kick out of seeing that video.

I think we also put it on Instagram on the Mythical account. But I mean, I'm just, my heart just melts at how little our kids were. And we've already talked about this, except to say that like Lily was seven. She is, she's, and she was, I guess she was about to turn eight. Right, right, right.

And now she just turned 18. It's like, I'm still trying to come to grips with the fact that like my daughter, our first child is an adult. It's the first time in a long time I've had this sensation that I had when Christy and I got married because we were the first ones in our friend group to get married.

And I was like, wow, I mean, I know a lot of people do this and I know that it's normal to feel nervous, but like in your immediate friend group to be the first one doing something that's such a statement was, it added a little trepidation to it. I remember that feeling because that's kind of what came back when I'm like, man, I have another adult in the house.

But then the flip side of that is I've done it. Like I am super proud of Lily and who she is and who she's still becoming. There's a lot of work that she still has to do, but it ain't my work anymore, right, officially. You know, I'm just like- It hasn't been for some time, actually. Yeah, practically speaking, that's absolutely true.

But it's, you know, there was just this, there's a card, there's like this trump card that you can no longer play when they're 18, at least it feels like. And it's like, okay, this is really your decision. I mean, when she turned 18 at the end of March, I'm like, hey, you want, smoke some cigarettes, join the military. Make the most of this.

There's all the stuff that you can do. And she's like, I think I'll just, There's all the stuff that you can do. And she's like, I think I'll just, think about going to college and make some progress there. And let's watch another episode of Survivor. I mean, she's been accepted at one of her top choices, but she hasn't made a final decision because she's on a couple of waiting lists for colleges

for the fall, but that's exciting. We're gonna, but you know, the COVID of it all has changed so much about this and it's- Yeah, the fact that this is her, that her senior year was COVID is, it really kind of sucks for her. Unfortunate. I think she has made the best of it,

is how I see it. Well, we really came to appreciate how much of an introvert she is. Yeah. That it's, I mean, she's not, she hasn't had a lot of frustration and suffering from just being in her own space. In a lot of ways, she actually thrived more.

So like her quality of life is good, has improved. Well, it's interesting. I was reading an article that was about this very thing that was the people who have secretly thrived during COVID and almost there's a little bit of shame about it because they're like, I know that this has been horrible, but I've kind of been into this. And I think it's an interesting contrast

like between Lily and Locke because Locke is extroverted, but also just super, a challenger. And so he, just like I said in the video last week, and just the idea that like, he's constantly complaining about the fact that he feels like his junior year was stolen from him. You know? Yeah.

So I'm glad that it was his junior year and not his senior year for his sake, just because of the way that he is. Yeah, and Lily doesn't, yeah, she doesn't talk like that. So that's a good sign, but it, you know, it's, I mean, going off to college, especially with this transition that she's making

from COVID and then kind of getting back out into normalcy and then being plunged into this world of college adulthood, which I feel like is different than non-college adulthood. I mean, you know, that's just my sense about it. But there's a lot there in that transition. And I think there has been this experience of, and I'm this way that like whenever I get stressed out or intimidated by something,

instead of diving into it and figuring it out fully, it's more like, well, if I can keep it at arm's length, I won't have to be as worried about it. I mean, it's nice that she's been accepted at like one of her top schools that she wanted to go to. So like, okay, we know that the plan's in place and everything's going, but like the details of like, we're going to visit the campus,

but we can't go in the buildings yet. And so it's just kind of like seeing the campus on our own. There's no official, they'll send you like a virtual tour and stuff like that. But it's, she hasn't really wanted to like explore everything about it because I think it would make it feel even more real and it's something that we kind of want to ease into. Because over the course of COVID,

I mean, she did not really, she didn't have a senior year experience. So all of these milestones that you would have that would really gear you up and prepare you and excite you for this next phase of life is just something that didn't happen. You know, and I'm not, you got graduation coming up, which I don't even, we still don't know

what that's gonna look like. You got the prom, which probably isn't gonna happen. You've got all the other things throughout the year that seniors do that make you feel like you're on the precipice of the rest of your life. I mean, none of that happened. For her birthday, it takes a lot of work

to be able to commemorate anything. You know, she's got her friends driving by in the front, hanging out in the front yard at a distance. And, you know, she was surprised by some of the people that, you know, Christy had contacted to show up. So she was really honored and it was really cool, but it was not, nothing is tropish, nothing taps into, oh yeah,

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So it's just been real strange. One thing for our kids that I think helps with this a little bit though, compared to, think about how predictable our existence was at that time in our lives, right? We've been going to school with the same people since first grade, you since kindergarten.

And like, there was just, I just think about what COVID would have been like at Harnett Central High School in 1996, that senior year. Like if all of a sudden we couldn't go to, first of all, like how would they even have done, they couldn't have done online school because no one had a computer at home. Yeah.

But you just think about how we had these events. One of the things I've noticed just about my kids is that those tropish things that you're talking about, like prom and this is how you do things and you go to the football game on Friday night. Like I'm sure that's still happening in a lot of places in America, but something about 2021 in Los Angeles,

especially their experience is just kind of different. And it is. So I feel like they actually have more capacity. I know this is contradictory to what I was saying earlier with Locke complaining about this stuff, but I think, and also the fact that they moved in the middle of their childhood to a new place and they were homeschooled

and then they started going to school. And I just feel like our kids are a lot more flexible. You gotta remember is going to high school as a freshman, a student body of thousands, literally thousands of students. I think the fact that she- She's made a hell of a transition. Withstood that transition already is like, I think that her transition into college,

my take on it is that it's gonna be less of a deal for her than it would have been for us if everything had been shaken up so big. that it's gonna be less of a deal for her than it would have been for us if everything had been shaken up so big. She's excited about it. She can't, I mean, she can't wait for it. She feels like she had a strange high school experience. So it's, you know, she's excited about starting college on like more of equal footing with everybody else,

which is in no way how her high school career started. And then it fizzled out before it really got going. And again, I'm just grateful that she's been fine with it and that she's found a way to continue to be healthier over the course of this past year. that she's found a way to continue to be healthier over the course of this past year. So, you know, when we went on our spring break trip, it was like, okay, Lily, this is your last spring break trip.

So we wanted to do what we could within all of the limitations that we have. So she brought a friend, which was great, great for her. And you know, it's a friend of like her friend's family, we're all friends, right? So like we're all hanging out normally, but so it's like, we know her really well. And so that was nice for her to have a friend there

that like Lincoln was also friends with. But it brings a different dynamic to vacation when a kid brings a friend. Everybody's on a little better behavior. So I like that dynamic of it too. So she got a friend and we all got to be a little more cordial with each other over the course of the week.

And the kids behave more. Yeah, cause they don't wanna, you know, you don't wanna throw, no one wants to throw a tantrum and embarrass themselves. You don't wanna show your ass, so to speak. Right, right. When there's non-family there. And I'm not talking about Lando throwing a tantrum,

I'm kind of talking about me. But yeah, I'm just having an, and then just, so when it's, whether it's spring break or whatever it is, just having this mentality that like, and then I'll say this a lot to the kids when they're at each other's throats. It's like, you know, well, Lily, you're not gonna,

you're not, she's not gonna be here much longer. She's gonna go off to college and then, you know, somebody's gonna have to take care of her cat. The cat is gonna be how we feel a connection to Lily. Well, that's interesting. Taking care, that's why I- The cat doesn't feel that connection to you. That's how I'm trying to work that out in my mind

is that like, okay, me caring for the cat when Lily is gone until we can get this cat to live with Lily, which I assume can't happen freshman year. We'll probably sneak it in there. But now everything is kind of shifted that way in terms of like, this may be the, this is, there's only a few more months before Lily leaves.

So we gotta make the most of this. Let's not be jerks to each other kind of thing. How's that working out? I can tell sometimes that it actually works a little bit. Like if I say something, I mean, especially Lando, because Lando, I mean, you should read the card that he hand wrote a letter to Lily for her birthday and was talking about how much he loved her

and how much he hopes that her going off to college will be a great experience. And you know, it's super sweet. But even Lincoln, you can kind of see, it's like we all are like coming to grips with the fact it's like they've never lived life without her in it. So the wheels are turning for them that like, okay, this is gonna be, this is not gonna be easy.

This is gonna be sad. And I mean, I'm sure when we get, I'll share the whole experience when it comes of like, taking the daughter to college and leaving her, but like, man, it's hard to think about even right now because it's, there's so much emotion wrapped up in this thing, you know, of her leaving home. But at this point, it looks like she's not going real far.

Like at one time she was like looking at like the University of Hawaii and she got accepted there. And we're like, oh, you don't, I mean, Hawaii's great. I'd love to have an excuse to go there more often, but I don't like the idea of you being stuck in the middle of an ocean that far away. So I don't think that's happening.

I think we're like far enough away that like, this is my prediction, she'll end up far enough away that I won't be able to see her or her to come home every weekend or every month. But if I need to get there, I can within a few hours. She's not- In less than a day's drive. She's not the kind of person who's going to

In less than a day's drive. She's not the kind of person who's going to be like calling you with every problem that she runs into. Like that, she doesn't strike me as that kind of person. Yeah, I'm thinking of ways to like, you know, to foster more of a text connection, to like build some habits so that there will be, like we'll be in the habit of talking on a semi, on a daily basis or at least every couple of days.

So that's it, yeah, because I think the tendency will be more like you and I when we went off to college, it's like, well, first of all, I went home every weekend to get my laundry done and to see my girlfriend. That ain't gonna happen with her. So it's, but besides that, it wasn't like I was talking to my mom constantly or processing my transition with my mom.

Right. I don't recall doing that. Well, if she- My goal is that- Your mom called you, but you didn't call your mom as much. And it was kind of similar to me. Right. I mean, in my mind, I remember, and we were only an hour away from home,

going to college and then seeing my mom again on Thanksgiving. Like that's, I know that's not true, but that's how I processed it. And that's how, like with my kids, like if they, like my kids go back to, sometimes they'll like fly to North Carolina, like alone to like spend time with family.

And it'll be like a week and neither me nor Jesse has communicated with them in any form. Because that's just their person, they're like me in that way. And so I have a feeling that there will not be the texting every couple of days. But it is such a, going to college is different than visiting family.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, I think you're gonna want to have more of that connection. Especially initially. So I'm trying to be strategic now and say, all right, we gotta develop some habits because if I just spring it on her, then I'll be badgering her her first month on campus

and it'll be like not used to it kind of a thing. I was thinking about that this morning actually. So, I mean, I think that was certainly the defining experience of my spring break. I wanna hear more about yours. And I do think that as we gear up towards and as she leaves to go off to college that, I'll be processing that so you'll be hearing about it.

But let's go to more of the temporal vacation. I met another person on, as part of this community. Okay. I actually met a lot of old folks who were very curious about things. Curious about the surfboard. Like I'm carrying the surfboard and I've got like my paddle

cause I'm paddle boarding. They're asking lots of questions. Is that, what's, these people must have not have lived there because they would have known. They were like, what's the difference between that and a regular surfboard? Can I see it?

Can I see the bottom of it? Oh, wow. Just the two couples, just like asking questions. So it's good to be old and curious. Is your response like mine, which would be, I'm gonna answer this while in motion, so as to say that I'm not here to have a conversation with you.

No, I'm friendlier than you. So like, you'll like stop. You'll like shift your weight to your heels, make eye contact with a stranger and then have a meaningful conversation? As I did. That's vacation, man. Good for you.

But the more interesting thing- My problem is I'd be like, I gotta get in that water. I'm on a mission. No, I was coming back from it. I had already surfed. I gotta get in that water. I'm on a mission. I was coming back from it. I had already surfed. I got to get in the shower. I'm on a mission.

Oh, really? Yeah. Well, let me tell you, I wonder how you would have dealt with this. What was the last thing that filled you with wonder that took you away from your desk or your car in traffic? Well, for us, and I'm going to guess for some of you, that thing is... Anno Bay! Hi, I'm Nick Friedman. I leo murray and i'm leo president and welcome to crunchyroll presents the anime effect it's a weekly news show with the best celebrity guests and hot takes galore so join us every friday wherever you get your

podcasts and watch full video episodes on crunchyroll or on the Crunchyroll YouTube channel. We're getting ready to go out and I had just purchased two new boards for the boys, like two foam boards because we had like one. Anyway, and I learned something that there's this soft top wax for surfboards. I always thought like, oh, soft top surfboards don't need any wax, but the guy at the place was like, no, actually there's this thing called soft top wax

and it'll make the experience a lot better, but it's a different wax, it's softer. So we're like outside in the little sort of common area where it's like this landscaping and grass and stuff. And we've got the boards out there and I'm making the boys like wax their boards. And this older dude comes out of his condo and he's got on a visor.

Perfect. And I respect- Blocks the sun, doesn't alter the hairdo. I respect the visor. Thought about wearing one from time to time, but he says, hey, where is the start? And he just, you know how when somebody begins talking and you're like, oh, this is one of those guys

who just likes to talk to people? Yeah. I can't even remember what the first thing out of his mouth, it was almost just like, I've never met you before, but I'm picking up where our last conversation that we never had left off. It's like he's picking up where the last conversation

left off with another stranger. Yeah, right. It's just like, I'll just keep going. I'll keep going with these guys. And then I said. And so we were talking to him for a little bit and he used to live in a similar area in LA that we live in. And so he's like talking about some like restaurants

and stuff and I'm like, this guy, this guy is a aggressive talker. Now, as I said, I'm friendly. I'm not an initiator. I don't initiate many conversations with people, but I respond and engage in conversations. So you answered his questions, but you didn't ask questions of him.

I didn't need to ask this man any questions to get any information. But, so, but he's kinda, you can tell that he's sort of like sensing, okay, like, okay, here's a dad and then there's a couple of boys, teenagers, whatever. And so he goes, you can tell he's reaching into the back pocket of his stories

that will impress teenage boys. He's like, well, when I was in college, I got a job with a beer company delivering beer. Well, what kind of job is that for a college guy? Taking kegs around. I'm like, oh, where's this going? The boys are getting a kick out of it, I can tell. They love it, they love hearing this kind of thing.

He's like, and then he decides to like take it up a couple of notches and he's like, and then this one morning, I gotta deliver to this strip club. I gotta deliver to this strip club. And I go in there in the morning, and it's the morning, there's nobody in there, but there's a girl on stage shaking her titties. Oh God.

So I mean, I didn't, at that point I was just like, how long is this gonna go, right? Cause it's like, he's gone from- To me it's like, what's gonna happen? I've said nothing, I've not encouraged anything, and we've already got beer and titties, and where else do we go from here, right? And so he keeps talking and he finishes that story,

which I mean, none of the stories were good. It just, they had buzzwords in them. You know what I'm saying? But they didn't have- Nothing happened. They didn't have a beginning, middle, and end. Okay. So he keeps going, and at this point we've, I can tell that now Locke and Shepherd are kind of-

Nobody's in the strip club. He's lying. Do they still dance? It's kind of like- He's lying. If a stripper falls in the club and no one's there, do you hear it? Right, right. He's lying because they don't just go out there.

Well, you don't know. Neither one of us have ever been to a strip club. Okay, I haven't been to a strip club, but I'm saying I know enough about life and people to estimate that if somebody comes in, they're like, oh, Shirley, go out there on the stage. But if no one's out there on the stage, you think Shirley's just gonna be up there?

But he was just delivering, he was the delivery guy. Yeah. But maybe she could get some dollars. He didn't say he gave her anything. But at this point in the story, Locke and Shepherd have both finished waxing. And now they're kind of waxing for show. Okay.

It's like, okay, well, I'm gonna keep moving my hand, but I've fully waxed my board at this point. But he's just getting going. Oh. And so then he realizes that- That's when I would have not, I would have stopped. I would have put this stuff away and I would have stood. He then notices that I'm not saying anything back to him.

I'm kind of fake laughing at certain things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then I guess he sensed that and he was like, so what do you do? Oh. And I was like, oh gosh, oh gosh. I mean, this is- Titties.

This is such a loaded question for us as we've discussed many times. And as you have, you did at one point, when an Uber driver asked you what you did, you answered, I make corporate videos because you wanted- Thank you for reminding me. You wanted to be truthful,

but to shut the conversation. No one wants to talk about those corporate videos. If the corporation happens to be YouTube, so be it. And so I- Google. I can't do that, but I got pretty close. I do what I usually do, which is, I run a production company in LA. That's what I say.

Probably a little too loaded. Yeah. Because he immediately responded with, I know this is the anecdote that he responds to. Anyone that he finds out is even tangentially involved with the entertainment industry. He says, do you know they made Titanic and Tijuana? What?

So, okay. And I'm like, no, he's like, you didn't know that? Like he's disappointed in me. Mister I have a production company in Los Angeles and I didn't know they made the Titanic and Tijuana, a movie that was made in the mid 90s that I have nothing to do with because I'm not in the movie industry.

But so, and I'm like, really? First of all, he's, you had to be relieved that like, it's immediately back on him and you're learning something. I don't know if I'm learning truth though. I mean, it could be true. Doesn't matter. Tijuana, Mexico. And so then he tells me the connection that he has

with a guy who worked on the movie. And then he tells me a story about them like, you know the scene where the water is coming down the hallway? Well, first time they shot that, they didn't support the walls well enough and it just went in the hallway and it just knocked the walls down.

And so he's proud of the fact that he knows this and he's strangely like a little bit irked that I didn't know this. How do you own a production company in Los Angeles and you don't know these classic Titanic Tijuana stories? Quit now. But eventually when I didn't really respond much to that, because at this point I was kind of losing my patience, he was like, he didn't say anything.

He just turned around and went inside. What? Yeah, he was just like, and he was gone. It was just like- What? Hold on, okay, hold on. Did you see him turn and walk away or was he just gone? Cause there might be an angel situation happening. No. A titty angel.

I saw him go in. I think he needed to get another beer. I think this dude, this dude's still about beer and titties at this point. I believe there was a lot of beer going on. I think that was the name of a Ludacris album. Beer and titties? Yeah.

It isn't that, but it's close to it. I can't believe he just walked away. Yeah, I think this is MO. I think he's just like, all right, I'm done. Drop the mic, go inside. He doesn't, again, he started the conversation as if we were picking up somewhere where we left off with a conversation we never had

and he just ended it with no pleasantries. Okay. Like, no have fun out there or anything. He's just like, Tijuana, Walsh, Titty's Beer, and he just turns around and he's in his house. He knew you got what you came for. Right, yeah, he's like, I've been through it all. I told the beer and titties story,

I've told the Tijuana story. What else do these guys need? What do they want from me? So we go inside and then Lock and Shepherd. Did you tip him? Lock and Shepherd. I was like, should I have tipped him? Lock and Shepherd are like, that guy was awesome.

Like they just thought he was great. I was like, well, he's not really great and he's not really awesome. But let me tell you the highlight of, I've saved it for last. Oh, nice. I have a highlight of the vacation. Not a lot happened in a good way, right?

I mean, it was kind of just chilling in this condo. Yeah, that's what we did. Lots of cereal eating, some ice cream eating. Just taking it easy, watching TV. Oh yeah. We did get deeply sucked into another reality show as a family. Shout out to 60 Days In.

I know that some of you are fans. But okay, you need to stay focused. You've teased this big story. It's not that big. I gotta tell you, I gotta just give you the premise of this show. I just don't, I know how you are with this. No, no, I'm not gonna talk about it.

30 minutes later. No, no, I'm not gonna talk, I'm just gonna give you the premise of the show. The premise of the show is that there is a sheriff somewhere in the United States, Arizona, I think. Okay. And he has created this program where he gets normal folk to go to jail

and it's technically jail, it looks like a prison situation, like more long-term, but it's technically jail, it's like holding people for their court dates and stuff like that. And you go in and you become a prisoner or an inmate or whatever the correct word is for 60 days. And the sheriff's idea is that you're going in as like a spy to like get information

so he can figure out like how drugs are getting into the jail and stuff like that. And like all the shenanigans. Is this a real jail? It's real and it's in its fifth season and the fifth season is on Netflix and the first four seasons I think were on A&E. It's mind blowing that this is a show.

A real jail with real inmates. And they film the whole thing. But then you put in someone who's guilty of nothing in order to get information? You put like two or three women with the women and two or three men with the men and you follow them and you do interviews with them and you do interviews with other inmates

and the whole time it's being filmed and they think, everyone in the prison thinks, or in the jail thinks that this is just a documentary because you know, they film documentaries inside these places all the time. And I'm not gonna say that it's quality television, but. So just because they're incarcerated, you can lie to them?

Seems suspect. There's a lot of ethical questions raised just by the fact that this show exists, but that didn't stop us from consuming the entire season in one week. So anyway, it was, and the kids were just, especially Shepard was just like really into it and just kind of, we were all kind of blown away that it was,

that this show happens and it kind of, that effect never wore off. Again, not quality television, but just, but the highlight of the trip, of course, was interacting with the ocean, right? I'm sorry, that wasn't a joke. Interacting with the ocean, right? I'm sorry, that wasn't a joke. Interacting with the ocean? So of course, I've got big dreams of having,

and I'm sure that this is the way that you think about it. When you go down to the beach for a week, you're like, I'm gonna surf, I'm gonna tear it up, I'm gonna own this, I'm gonna finally ascend to looking like I know what I'm doing status.. I'm gonna finally ascend to like, looking like I know what I'm doing status. Fucking turning a corner. Right.

Yeah. Never happens, of course. So we go out there the first time. My board never got off the top of my car. So no matter what you say, I'm gonna be jealous. I did ride my bike a few times. How did that happen? Combination of weather and then logistics.

I can't get anybody to go with me and my family. Surprisingly, the boys are really into it. And I say that just because it's not easy and you don't have anybody who's really instructing you. So we go out there and it's a pretty big week, waves-wise, and it's a pretty big week, waves-wise. And it was one of those times where I was like, good Lord, it was really hard to get out past the breakers. And the waves broke in different places.

It wasn't like a predictable, like this is where they're breaking every time. It's like sometimes it'd be like another 50 yards out, it's breaking and so you're like, oh crap, I'm too far. So me and Locke go out there and we're getting beat up and then I look back and Shepard, who doesn't get out past the breakers, he just tries to surf the whitewater.

He is really struggling and I worry that his spirit's gonna get broken. I want him to have a good taste in his mouth. And then I kinda see that he's just sitting outside of the water, sitting on the beach. So I'm like, I go back in, I haven't caught any waves. I've like totally wiped out a couple of times just because the waves were unpredictable.

And it just, I wasn't having a good time. Locke wasn't having a good time. Shepherd had quit. So I like go and I'm like trying to help Shepherd by like taking him out there and pushing him into the waves. But the undertow or the side toe was so intense that I could barely stay with him.

I was like, man, did we pick a bad, oh, the beach was rocky. Yeah. And I'm barefoot, I didn't bring my booties and I was in the water stepping on rocks and my feet hurt and of course you're cold because it's California. It's not looking good, Rhett.

And so this is day one and I'm like, oh man, is this, I knew this was gonna happen. I knew that the surfing wasn't gonna be good. I started seeing things like that. Like you've always got your expectations set so high for how things are gonna go and how things are gonna be. And I, you know, I brought my regular surfboard and you're finally gonna be able to do regular surfing

and not just stand up paddle boarding. And the boys are gonna get good at, none of that was happening. And so we kind of go inside a little bit defeated. And then the next day rolls around and there was a part of me that was just like, you know what, maybe you shouldn't force it. You shouldn't force it on yourself.

Don't force it on your kids. Just, just, just vacate. Is that how you do vacation? You vacate? Yeah, definitely. Just continue vacating. And don't worry about surfing. If it happens, it happens.

So I'm kind of sitting up there in the condo. I can see the ocean and I can see some, it's like mid-morning the next day and I see some, like I didn't get up and go. I see some guys on paddle boards, which I hadn't seen before and they're kinda like getting some waves and stuff. Mm-hmm.

And I can tell that they're old. Nice. Right? And I'm kind of in that age group, but these guys are like 60s, gray hairs. I mean, not that that makes you 60s, but these guys were old. And I mean, even white hairs, and they are kind of killing it out there.

So I'm like, screw it, I'm going. But I'm not gonna ask the kids to go unless they wanna go. So I go down the steps, paddle out there, paddle, I'm like paddling around these old guys. I'm like, it is a little bit calmer today. Like it wasn't so hard to get out, that's nice. And I'm like talking to one of the guys, catching anything, he's like, oh yeah,

every couple of minutes something comes along. I wasn't like, yeah, I've been watching you from my porch. And then I start noticing that the dolphins are out. The dolphins. And they're not just out, they're like putting on a show. What? What do you mean? Well-

Hoops? Fire? Two and three dolphins at a time. Like, they're swimming in these little pods and one of the old guys was like, "'Yeah, the dolphins are really feeding today.' They're like, you know, cause they're like literally like swimming couple of feet away from you

and then like going under your board and then coming up on the other side and stuff. They know that you're there, right? Oh yeah. And they know that you're another intelligent being and they know that you're into watching cool things. And so- You think they're doing it for you?

No, I think they're doing it because they're just expressing themselves, but they also know that it's cool. I mean, their brains are bigger than ours. Yeah, they know what cool is. If they had thumbs, they'd be in charge. If they had thumbs, then they'd have hands, and that would look weird.

They wouldn't be nearly as agile if they had thumbs. I do realize that. I don't think they'd be cool, and they would know it. One of them jumps completely out of the water. I've never seen this. I've never seen this other than at SeaWorld, which we don't go to anymore because they don't treat them badly.

Completely out of the water? Total dolphin body, two feet out of the water, head to tail, complete out of the water. Whoa, what? 20 feet away. Wow. And I'm like, oh yeah. And then.

Did you have a tear? No, I was just like, I said out loud to myself, always choose the experience. That's, you know, I was just reminding myself, I was like, this is it, man. I know it's hard, you're not a great surfer, you're frustrated, you're kinda out of shape and you're tall and you don't have great balance,

but look, you're out here and look what's happening. The dolphins are putting on a free show. Then there's one dolphin that was a little more weathered than the other ones. He looked older and darker and more worn. Okay. I noticed that every time he comes up, he's snorting. Like,

like through his blowhole. His blowhole's making a lot of noise. What? And I don't know if he was doing it to be cool or if it's just a condition, but I appreciated it. It was like, wow, I mean, this guy's making all this noise. You know, none of the rest of them were jumping and doing things,

but this guy, he's making a lot of noise. Dad grunting. Yeah, and I appreciated that. And then. That's wild. And then a wave comes. And I'm like, now I had tried to catch a couple of waves and again- You're gonna put on a show for the dolphins.

Again, it's complicated. Do you know how when you're out, I'm out several hundred yards, I'm way out in the ocean because the way that the waves work at this particular beach, it's a beach break, is there's a, waves of a certain size break out there

and then they, so they break and there's whitewater and then they kind of stop and then they reform early, you know, further inside. But you wanna be out there, especially on a paddleboard, because you don't wanna have to get through those every time, so you're actually kind actually surfing these waves on a first break, way out there, and then as they dissipate, you go back out and you, so.

Mm-hmm. You surf and you never fall off your board, you never have to peel out of the wave, the wave just dissipates, but you get a good 10, 12 second surf, which is awesome. And then sometimes if the wave is big enough, it'll reconstitute while you're still in it and you'll catch the second break

and take it all the way to the shore, right? That did happen one time during the week. But anyway, I catch a wave and like, I don't look like an idiot and I do it right and I'm in the pocket and I'm like going sideways and I'm like, yeah, dolphins, I'm catching waves. And then as I'm paddling back out, there's another wave that's coming at me

and I look into the wave and there's two dolphins surfing in the wave. What? Like their like noses are just piercing out of the face of the wave and they're like, and they go right under my board. Really? Yeah. I mean, and that's not as cool as the time I was surfing

and there were dolphins on the wave with me, but I was just like, this is why I'm here. And then, so the highlight of my trip, which, you know, the highlight of my life is when I caught a wave and the dolphins were on it. The highlight of my trip was just out there, having chosen the experience, having a little bit of luck with surfing,

but experiencing these dolphins. Dang, man, I'm envious. And then at that point, I come back and I tell my dolphin stories and that kind of gets the boys kind of back into it. The rest of the week, we went out once, often twice a day, locks catching waves, shepherds catching the waves on the inside.

And then the final day, I actually met, so my therapist lives close by to this area. So I actually had my therapy appointment on the beach. It was the most Southern California thing ever, walking with your therapist down the beach, but I love everything about it. And then it was like, can't we have a, can't we make a, why can't we surf during a therapy session?

I mean, who says we can't do that? So we did. Okay. And Locke came out, and this was literally watching the sun set while surfing, like saw the sun go over the horizon while surfing. And then big wave came, me and Locke catch it together.

And I'm like, party wave. You always gotta say party wave when you, two people catch a wave. And like, we're like, boards are like two feet apart. And we're like, big wave flying on this wave. And I'm like, he, you know, we're both regular footed. So he's in front of me. So he can't see me. I'm like, we're both regular footed so he's in front of me so he can't see me, I'm like yelling at him just so he understands that we're on this wave together.

He's like looking back at me and then like he totally wipes out right in front of me. But not after we had surfed for a good 10 seconds. I mean, it was like we caught this wave, it was great. And then that was it, that was the last. I was so tired after that, I didn't surf the morning of the last day. It was just like, boy, I'm out of shape.

But I had some special moments. That's amazing, man. Special moments. I'm so mad that it was you and not me. Yeah, I mean, and also it just reminded me is like, we gotta get back out there. We gotta get back out there on a more regular basis. It's just, you know, we're so far,

we're so far, I mean, an hour from the, people don't realize how big Los Angeles is. We're like an hour from the beach. Yeah. So you kind of have to make plans for it. But I do, I love the principle of, as often as possible, say yes to the experience. I love that, I love that.

Now, it's your week for the rec. Oh. So, um. Say yes to the experience. I wanna get your rec, but you know, one of the things you talked about, I think, I can, since we kind of planned out what we're gonna talk about for the next Ear Biscuit,

we can give a teaser. You were talking, when we were talking about Lily at the top and talking about the mentality of coming out of COVID and the things you find yourself thinking depending on your personality type, I think has led to some interesting instincts that go against what I thought I would be feeling at this point.

What I'm talking about is joining a commune. And we've started to talk about this, right? So then we've saved it for next week. We'll talk about, are we gonna move from quarantine to commune life? Because there are some legitimate opportunities that we could do this. I'm into it. So we'll talk about that next week, but give us the rec.

Okay, my rec is television related, but it's quality television. I'm not gonna recommend 60 Days In. I'm gonna recommend, this is typical dad, this is what I do, I recommend shows that have been out for a while, but you may have not watched them. Rami on Hulu, which so many people had told me to watch.

And I just, you know, there's a lot of stuff to watch, but I started watching it just before spring break. So it's a, you know, half hour comedy featuring an Egyptian American guy who, a Muslim Egyptian American guy who's kind of trying to balance his life as someone who has like a religious commitment, but is also fully American. And it's hilarious.

It's got a lot of heart. And first of all, you know, I don't have that, you know, I don't have the Egyptian American Muslim experience personally, but I understand what it's like to grow up in a very religiously intense environment and culture. And also to kind of come to a place that sees that differently, like in moving from the East Coast to the West Coast

from North Carolina to California. Anyway, highly recommend it. One of my favorite shows. I mean, right, definitely right now. And they're still making it, I think. And it's recently won, you know, several awards. And I think the third season is coming out at some point. But anyway, Ramy on Hulu.

I recommend it. Hashtag Ear Biscuits, let us know what you think, how you responded in processing these conversations. We enjoy reading those and we'll talk at you next week.