Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - Can Mormons Take a Joke? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 441

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

The Mormons have responded and it’s all in jest! In this episode, Rhett & Link settle some beef with a feline, help a recovering night owl be an early riser, as well as helping to set a few boundari...es between family members. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:34 Turn off hesitation. Turn off doubt. Turn off fears. The YMCA of Greater Toronto helps you turn off whatever's holding you back so you can let your potential shine Turn on confidence Turn on connections turn on possibilities There are hundreds of programs and services available at the Y see what you can achieve at YMCA GTA This will be the day Welcome to Ear Biscuits, the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I'm Rhett. And I'm Link. This week at the roundtable of dim lighting. What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do, man? We're gonna be doing what we've begun, we have begun to really enjoy, if you haven't noticed.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Listen to your voicemails. Answer your questions. Respond to whatever it is you want us to talk about. I bet it'll be fun. Write home slice. It will be fun. I will say, for those of you who are worried... I thought maybe you'd give me a nickname, but... Um, okay. Right, home slice? Yeah, homeboy.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Yeah, cause we're both from the same hometown. Um, we're not gonna stop talking. If we've got something that happened to us, if we go on a special trip, if one of us has a brush with death. We'll do anything we want on this show. We're still gonna talk about that. But in lieu of that, when we don't have that, because we've squeezed ourselves like a giant tube of toothpaste and there's nothing left, then we will use the raw material of your life to bring you illuminated, educated answers from two middle-aged men who've
Starting point is 00:02:27 lived a lot of life, who've been in long-term relationships with women who were married to and men who were best friends with. Mm-hmm. If we're anything, we're loyal. Yeah, right. Thank you for being loyal and for calling us. 1-888-earpod-1. Now, do you wanna hear a voicemail, or do you want me to talk to you about your glasses first? I think I can cover this in 27 seconds,
Starting point is 00:02:55 as long as Homeboy doesn't interrupt me, which is gonna be tough. 27 seconds could be a record. Can I describe them for the listeners? Started right here at second one. I mean, you gotta remember this is a podcast. And second. Yeah, if you're watching, you've already seen my glasses.
Starting point is 00:03:13 If you're listening, you're like, he's got glasses. So I am in the midst of an eye procedure that I will talk exhaustively and extensively about. I've got videos, I've got pictures. I am treating the issue that has been causing my red eyes for a long time. And boy, it's gonna gross some of you out when you see these videos.
Starting point is 00:03:38 But that'll be a podcast in and of itself. And what I usually do when we film is I put drops in that cause my eyes to look white. But I can't do that because I just had the thing and it's swollen. So now I've got what I'm calling my recovery glasses. I wore them last night to a concert. My wife was like, I don't know what I think about those glasses, and we walked right in the gates and the first woman I saw said, I like your glasses. So that's all I needed.
Starting point is 00:04:07 What do they? I'm like Ronnie Millsap, but not blind. Well, they're... I can still see, but you can't see the inflammation in my eyes. If you're just listening, these glasses are, they're aviators in shape. Tinted, tinted. They're green, but then the... They're $13 on Amazon.
Starting point is 00:04:31 The lens is a orangish rose, and I can see your eyes under there. Right, but... How is it helping? Because my eyes are red and my eyelids are red, and because you're seeing through tinted glasses, it just looks like a man with eyes. Oh, let me see that, take them off for a second.
Starting point is 00:04:48 You might be like, oh, it doesn't show up that much, but on camera, it's like, the way that the camera processes it makes it very, very red. So it doesn't help you, you don't like how it looks, you're trying to, you like the redness. Yeah, yeah, because I don't wanna look like, I get too many comments about that, you know, it's just like, what are you,
Starting point is 00:05:05 stoner, bro? Okay. You know? Okay, so it's for the benefit of... Me. The viewer. No, it's for the benefit of you not hearing from the viewer who you're with.
Starting point is 00:05:17 But also, I'm experimenting with, like last night, when I went to this concert, and it was right after the procedure. I drove from the other side of town, and my eyes looked like crazy and I couldn't, and I wasn't gonna be like, I'm not gonna go to this concert with my wife because my eyes look crazy.
Starting point is 00:05:32 I can't put the drops in. So I was like, I preemptively bought these $13 sunglasses so that I would have something to be like, oh, maybe this will be my thing. If I don't forget about my eyes, I wear these $13 glasses. I like that. Taylor Swift was recently spotted
Starting point is 00:05:50 in a $100 pair of glasses that went viral. So maybe I can get, because I'm about a 13 out of 100 in comparison to her influence, maybe less than that. Maybe I can get people to buy these glasses. He's told me a little bit about this procedure in... My doctor sent me video last night. Okay, we'll come back to that, but let's get into something more fun.
Starting point is 00:06:14 But you look great. I like them. Okay, good. Hi, Link. My name is Alex, and me and my girlfriend, Carol, we have a problem that we thought maybe you could help with. We have a cat. His name is Polly and he really does not like you guys. We love watching you but he gets upset when we do. Like he just really seems to not like it. So I was wondering if you could give him a message or tell him you love him, give him a little encouragement and maybe he'll stop trying to mess up everything
Starting point is 00:06:54 in our apartment whenever we watch you guys. Okay, thank you, bye. Well, I don't get it. What's not to like if you're a cat and we're us? I mean, I've actually seen footage, reams of it, of people showing their cat enamored with us while they're watching the show, just up there at the screen, just like looking, patting us.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Well, maybe we're not for every cat. Maybe Polly has heard the rumors. Maybe Polly knows that part of my brand is not liking cats even though it's not even real. It's just a thing we did for entertainment quality. It's not totally fake either though. I would not own a cat, okay? I have thought about potentially half-owning a feral cat to kill the rats in my yard.
Starting point is 00:07:48 But I don't know about the ethics of that situation. I had a half feral cat that was apparently feeding on the rats and then he went away and the rats. He went away. He went away. Quotes. The rats came back with a vengeance. Oh yeah. And boy, I wasn't even there. Some of our friends were staying at our house
Starting point is 00:08:09 when I was out of town, and they said they were sitting out next to the fire, and they were like, a rat just jumped off of the wall and ran into the pool. Just jumped into the pool. Woo! Like going for a swim when I'm on vacation? Rats? Yeah. So anyway, I would like a
Starting point is 00:08:27 cat for that. Maybe try cat statues and see if that works. Rats are too smart for that. Probably are. I've seen crow statues, I've seen owl statues. They apparently keep things away. I think the owl statue keeps the crow statues away. Is that what it is? You can't put both statues in your yard? I don't know what's going on. The owls keep the crows. Owls keep a lot of other birds
Starting point is 00:08:51 that will shit on your stuff away because owls are the king of birds. Oh. Polly, if you, the caller, if you would please bring Polly to the screen. Polly, come here. Hey, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty the screen. Polly, come here. Hey, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Come here, come here, kitty, kitty, kitty. Come here. Get real close, get real close. Get real close, Polly. Meow. Hey, Polly. Meow. Polly, Polly, Polly. You don't like us?
Starting point is 00:09:14 Meow. Oh, now, come on. No, no, no, no, no, no, you don't understand. The feline, this is a sign of love in the feline world. You think I'm flipping this cat off? No, I'm getting it to follow it. They love a middle finger. It's the biggest finger on the hand.
Starting point is 00:09:31 I mean, if it had a laser coming out of it, maybe. Oh no, no, no, they are naturally attracted to the largest digit. Look at that, Polly, look at that, look what I can do. Hey Polly, look at what I can do. Look what I can do, Polly. You like me now, you like me now? You like me now? How do you like me now?
Starting point is 00:09:47 I gotta say, it started to work on me. I think I fixed it. That was it, dude. I think I fixed it. That was it. Y'all might try that on Sokka tonight. Yeah, flip her off. It's good, they love it.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Hello Sokka, it's the longest digit. Take a look at the longest digit. It's how it works, man. Little update on Sokka in our house. Lily, you know, it's Lily's cat. And then she, you know, we get the cat and then she leaves and goes off to college and then we're stuck with the cat.
Starting point is 00:10:17 So I said Lando is now your cat. Okay. You're in charge of all this cat. Yeah. And, but then Lily will come back home, and what she will do is she will manhandle this cat in a way that we don't do it. Like, Sokka does not like being picked up.
Starting point is 00:10:34 She will pick him up all the time. Like, love? Like, forced love? Just forced love on the cat. And over the course of, and Jasper is friends with Sokka, Jade is not. So he kinda keeps his distance when we're lounging. But she's forced him into submission over her last trip home. He gives up and relaxes and relents? A little bit more, yeah. And now when you pick him up, the claws don't come out.
Starting point is 00:11:08 He'll still bat you and push really hard, but he doesn't do it with claws. And so, and he's starting to accept affection. And he'll crawl up, if we're watching television and the dogs are in their places on their selected blankets with selected humans, then he'll creep into the room and like Find a spot with somebody else and Jade no longer Runs him off usually So they're starting. They're starting to work together Or at least be in the same room together.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Do you think when Lily is done with school and gets a place of her own, she's gonna take the cat? I don't think Lando is gonna allow that. Oh. Do you think she'll get another cat? She already has another cat. Oh, really? There's a cat at the place where she lives. Yeah, at her apartment. She already got another one. Does Sokka know?
Starting point is 00:12:06 Probably, from the smell. I told him. I don't know. Show him a picture. But Polly, you gotta, come on, what's not to love? I really don't know why a cat would be triggered by just two guys talking. It is quite strange.
Starting point is 00:12:22 Well, it might be one of us. You might need to put the cat down. We don't know. You know? It might be one of us. You might need to put the cat down. We don't know. You know? It might be one of those things. Right. Sorry, that was a bad joke. Yeah. I didn't mean it.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Yep. I definitely didn't agree with it. Nope. You didn't. I seem to think that people who are cat lovers, I'm not a cat hater, I'm not a cat lover. They say that the quest to get the cat to like you is part of it or something. I've heard people talk about this because people talk about dog lovers are just narcissists who need to be worshiped by these little beings
Starting point is 00:13:01 or whatever. This is an uncharitable view, right? But I've heard it and then people are like, cat lovers, they don't need that type of affection and not that cats won't give it to you. And listen, I have a TikTok account. I've seen affectionate cats. Another way of saying that is I've seen cats
Starting point is 00:13:16 that seem very dog-like. Right, so I just get the dog because yes, as I was walking outside with my dogs the other day and I just think about the way yes, as I was walking outside with my dogs the other day, I just think about the way that they, they do make me feel like I am a king coming home to my castle. Like it's crazy how excited they get.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Oh yeah. When I show up. They're quite special. And I will readily admit that I just love that after a long, hard day of entertaining people with your best friend. Oh my gosh, it can be so hard. I get home and if it was like there's somebody I have to convince to like me, I've done that. I've been doing that all day for a living.
Starting point is 00:14:01 I want somebody who effortlessly likes me. You know what I'm saying? And so yeah, I'll admit, it's probably why I'm a dog person. Yeah, I don't even think Jade and Jasper think I'm funny. Right, they don't care. I don't get the impression that they care if I'm entertaining to them. Now there's certain things that they want.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Jasper wants a walk. Yeah, okay. Jade wants a belly rub. They can be demanding. Ear Biscuits is brought to you by BetterHelp. You know, I've, I got fears. I'd like to think I'm not the only one with fears, but I can only speak to my own. And one of the things that I've come to grips with
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Starting point is 00:17:43 just doing everything at night. So my exercising, my quiet time, any hobbies or reading. I always push them towards the end of the day and then go into bed at around maybe 2 a.m. But I think with graduating next year and getting married next year, I'm just wondering if you guys have any tips on making the switch to being an early riser and doing all those things in the morning when I'm talking early.
Starting point is 00:18:14 I don't know if you guys have any tips or ideas to make the switch easier or if this is just a discipline thing and I just need to be more disciplined. All right, thanks guys. I appreciate it, peace. Common problem, he's staying up till two, and now his life's about to be turned upside down, literally. At least that's what he anticipates. It seems like he's anticipating that
Starting point is 00:18:39 the night owl schedule will not be maintainable. It seems like he's got- It's a safe assumption. Seems like he's gotta grow up a little bit is what he seems to be thinking. And that he has specific plans. He's like, he's gotta get up, and I mean early is what he said. So there's some sort of obligation.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Maybe a job he anticipates having. Well, I see this as there are two distinct paths, right? There is the advisable path that you may receive Well, I see this as there are two distinct paths, right? There is the advisable path that you may receive on another more reputable podcast. Not here. Which, as a matter of fact, I was recently listening to not a podcast in itself, but a clip from a podcast. It's better that way.
Starting point is 00:19:20 And a doctor was talking specifically about this conundrum and he gave a regimen for slowly changing your sleep schedule if you are a night owl to become a morning person. And it was exactly what you think about. You don't need a doctor to tell you that you basically just start going to bed earlier and start getting up earlier
Starting point is 00:19:42 and you just slowly shift the window over a period of about a month. Right. Doesn't seem like the style you had. Who cares, man? You don't have a month, Jonah! Here's what, you remember that show, there's other ones like Scared Straight? I know the principle. Right. And I'm not talking about those camps where they try to make it not gay. I'm not talking about that.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Oh. I'm not talking about that. Oh, that is what I was thinking about. Those are bad. What I'm talking about is that TV show where there's kids who are just hellions out of control. Oh, and they go to prison. They take them to prison. And somebody scares them into being on the straight and narrow, which has nothing
Starting point is 00:20:21 to do with sexual orientation. But the way that those start is a crazy person that looks like Sergeant Slaughter, the wrestler, shows up at your house and takes you and throws you into a van, right? Yeah. So I think we gotta do something like that that's gonna work really quickly. So Jonah, what you need is, once you determine when you want to get up, okay, let's say you want to get up at 7 a.m. So what you're gonna do is you're going to set an alarm for 7 a.m. And then if you get up, we're all good. But over the course of maybe a week, what you do is you have a very Sergeant
Starting point is 00:20:59 Slaughter-like character in a van outside that if you hit the snooze, he has a little alarm on him, a beeper, that goes off that then he comes inside and he just beats the hell out of him. Right. I think he'd be easy to find. I'm pretty sure there's a whole category on Craigslist for this type of person. Former wrestlers. Like former wrestler living in van. Early riser. Or football players who tried to become wrestlers and didn't make it.
Starting point is 00:21:32 People who are available to beat up people. Willing and ready to inflict pain. Yeah. That'll do it. That'll do it. And if a sergeant, I mean, I don't know if you're watching, when I said sergeant slaughter the first time, we popped up a picture of Sergeant Slaughter, just so you know what he looks like.
Starting point is 00:21:49 But I don't know, like, what's the modern day Sergeant Slaughter? Hold on, we popped up a picture? Yeah, we could do that because- What the hell? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because when I say something like that, then it sets a whole team into action
Starting point is 00:22:02 to go find a picture. I mean, this is- You're on a power trip. I didn't ask for an effect. I just asked for a picture of SS, Sergeant Slaughter. Too much too soon. But what's a modern day Sergeant Slaughter? Who's the scariest character that you could get somebody to dress up like
Starting point is 00:22:16 that could come beat the hell out of you? It's a scary person. Um, it's a scary person. I'm kind of afraid of, I'm afraid of doctors. Like, you know, it's like. You're afraid that doctors are gonna do what? I'll tell you what. Give me bad news. Tore my eyes up.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Give me bad news, you know? So like, you. Like a diagnosis. In your version, a doctor comes in after being beeped, which is appropriate, beeper. Yeah, he's already kind of a beeper. He comes in and he gives you like a terminal diagnosis. It gives me a bad diagnosis.
Starting point is 00:22:54 And the more I'm late, the worse my... I don't like this. Exactly. I don't like that. Yeah, you're gonna, and then you have it. But you have that. But you know that it's not real. Okay, I guess. In my version, the guy does beat the hell out of you.
Starting point is 00:23:09 Okay, all right. He's got on soft gloves, so you can still get up and go do your job that day, but you know what I'm saying? It takes a few days for the bruising to show up. You don't get actual black eyes, but it's just like, maybe slapping. Might be more body work. Maybe it's one of those guys from the slap fights.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Oh my gosh, I hate, I can't watch that. Well, I don't necessarily like watching it, but TikTok and Instagram think that I do because they keep showing me people getting the hell slapped out of them. It just doesn't seem. People get knocked out that way, man. Sustainable.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Since when are you worried about sustainable slapping? What do you mean? Well, I mean, like, I'm very... For the individual? Yeah. It's much more sustainable than getting punched by, like a boxer or something. Is it, though?
Starting point is 00:23:59 Well, I guess if you get hit with the meat of the hand, it's hard. Because you're just standing there, you're standing there just taking it. Some of the... On the head. Yeah, on the cheek. And it's hard. You're standing there just taking it. Some of it. On the head. Yeah, on the cheek. And there's no padding. Is there anything on the hand?
Starting point is 00:24:11 No. Nothing on the hand. Chalk. Nothing on the face. For grip. They use chalk? Yeah, yeah, you chalk up like LeBron and then you pow. So that when it hits the face, it doesn't slide? Yeah, yeah, you wanna grip that face so you can turn it.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Choo! Seriously? Yeah, apparently you've never watched one all the way through. I've seen it, but it's kind of like how I fix my hair. The longer it takes, the further back from the mirror I get. I don't know why I just notice that happens. Sometimes I'm clear across the room by the time I'm done trying to fix my hair. Weird. And I can clear across the room by the time I'm done trying to fix my hair. Weird.
Starting point is 00:24:45 And I can't stop it either. It's just like as soon as I start rubbing my hands through my hair, I start backing up. It's like, I wanna know what people are gonna think of me when they first see me. You know? Well, the hair's gotta look good from across the room if you're ever gonna get closer. And then, once it passes that test, I start coming back closer to the mirror, and I're ever gonna get closer. And then, once it passes that test, I start coming back closer to the mirror, and I kinda dilate it a little bit more. How big is your bathroom?
Starting point is 00:25:11 You've been in it. I mean, yeah, I'm kinda standing in the shower by the end of it. I think I'm amending this to the slapper. I don't think you need a... It's a hell of a way to wake up. Cause I gotta imagine that there's a lot of people who are aspiring slappers but haven't made it
Starting point is 00:25:28 on the circuit yet. Yep, this is like minor leagues. They can make extra scratch by living in a van and waking people up. You get like a single A level slapper who's out there in your front yard for a week, you get slapped one time at 709. Right. Your ass is getting up from then on,
Starting point is 00:25:51 you know what I'm saying? At least for another week and a half. Yeah. You know. And they're probably not that expensive. The other way to go, it's because you implied that there was a whole other direction to go. Well, the first way, which was the legitimate route by the...
Starting point is 00:26:07 Oh, no, well then there's a third way, which is stick to your guns. Jonah, you're a night person. Use that to your advantage. But work, third shift. That mean you can... It's not healthy long term. It isn't? You get paid more. Well... You get paid time and a half if you work at night. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:26:30 Depending on the job, but yeah. Security guard? People will get paid more for that reason because not as many people wanna do it. Well, some people are... So you have a competitive advantage. There is this, I don't know if you've seen it, when you look at your orering like readout,
Starting point is 00:26:49 it tells you like where your sleep lined up with your natural disposition. You've seen this? Yeah. And this is a scientific concept that, the way I've heard it explained is that the large majority of people essentially need, you know, seven to nine hours of sleep every single night and they kind of need it in a typical window of like,
Starting point is 00:27:12 you know, 10 or 11 to whatever, seven or eight, whatever. But there are exceptions on each side of the curve where people can be more, like literally more morning people and literally more night people. So if you're a night person, you do your best work at that time, then maybe you just find a job and a partner where these things all work together.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Because I severely question the way that he worded it as how do I become a morning person? Because I severely question the way that he worded it as, how do I become a morning person? Well just because you have the discipline to wake up, to do your obligations, doesn't make you a morning person. A morning person by my definition is somebody who wakes up raring to go and they love it. They love getting up before the sun and doing the stuff that they do and having that, oh I get this alone time and I get the sunrise.
Starting point is 00:28:09 But you can make yourself into that though. You think you can? Yeah, yeah, you literally can make yourself into that. But then that's a philosophical exercise that needs to follow. So how do you do that part of it? Because that's a personality. Just wanting to stay up all night, like thriving in the dark, you know? It's a circadian rhythm type thing. Anti, I guess. But you gotta adjust your values. You gotta start really emphasizing those things that you hear morning people say. Like...
Starting point is 00:28:46 Top of the morning to you? Well, no. They say things like, I feel the world awakening. I feel I can palpably experience the new beginning. Oh, I've heard of this. And it gives me hope and excitement. And I have time to ease into it. It's like somebody begins smiling in order to feel happy, which is also a proven concept. You smile even when you don't feel like it and then it makes you happier. So you just start saying the things that a morning person would say, doing the
Starting point is 00:29:19 things that they would do. I start thinking of stuff and then I have my whole day ahead of me to then do stuff. Versus, if you're staying up late at night, you might get in a reflective mode. But what are you gonna do? You're gonna sit there and get excited about the next day right before you go to sleep? No, that's gonna make it harder to go to sleep. You don't wanna think about the next day. So being a morning person, you got that advantage. I have, just really quick before we move on, I have a fourth way. See, we're full of advice. We're full of it.
Starting point is 00:29:53 You could find, Jonah, you could find someone who wants the same thing that you want, who's looking for that, and you could volunteer or actually sign up maybe to get paid to be a minor league slapper for someone else who needs to get up. So then you've got to be at someone else's house at 7 o'clock in the morning to wake their ass up if they don't get up and slap them. And then you get to maybe you'll make a little scratch, maybe you'll gain a new skill, maybe you could do right and left hand slaps. And then you've got a job that requires you to get up and you're helping someone else do the thing that you're doing to help someone.
Starting point is 00:30:35 And then you go to your second job, so now you have two jobs. Well, there's probably people who want to be slapped all day. You could probably set up a slapping schedule that's around the clock. There's all kinds of reasons that people need to be slapped at different times of the day. There's somebody who needs to be slapped at 3 p.m. like a teacher who's just finished a long day of teaching and doesn't feel like... Snap out of it! ...doing the after school stuff and it's like boom! Come on! You still gotta do that. You gotta grade those papers, you know?
Starting point is 00:31:05 A little boost. Yeah, just a little boost. I'm talking about a healthy slap, you know? Okay. So that's another option. You're welcome. Hi, this is Becky from Iowa. Just listened to your episode of all the voicemails, specifically the
Starting point is 00:31:25 one about the girl that's going through a breakup. I am a thousand percent with Jenna, burning things safely of course is super important. I went through a very destructive phase when I was going through my divorce, burnt all kinds of shit, including all the letters, which I very strongly recommend burning for just the cringe factor is just off the charts if you don't. But I'm happy to report that 20 years later, 15, many years later, my ex-husband is now one of my dearest friends. So just because you burn an effigy and do whatever doesn't mean you can't be friends down the line.
Starting point is 00:32:05 But yes, fire is your friend. Fire is your friend. Yes! Jenna, you're validated at every turn. Safe fire is your friend. Have you burned anything since the last time we talked about this? Yes. What?
Starting point is 00:32:21 Whoa! Not as like a negative to anyone, but like I burn things. What, you lit like incense or something? What do you? Well, yeah, I burn incense if like, if I'm trying to like let something go, I'll like write it down, I'll sit out on my balcony and I'll light the little piece of paper on fire
Starting point is 00:32:43 and be like, great, I'm letting that go. Wow. So you're telling me in recent history, you've written something down and then burned it on your balcony. Yes. Okay. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:32:55 All right. And what- In a jar? What type of- Yeah, I have like a little- This sounds like a youth group exercise. I have like a little fire safe bowl that I use for burning things.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Wow. Wow. I didn't know when I asked the question the answer was gonna be yes. That's why you asked the question. Did you adapt an existing bowl or could we potentially sell a bowl that's meant for burning stuff from like,
Starting point is 00:33:18 I think, isn't that called an ashtray? No, no, I think we could market it. My bowl is really cute. It's really cute. It's really cute. It's golden. I like this idea. I just got it from a thrift shop, and I was like, oh, this is a bowl I could burn stuff in.
Starting point is 00:33:33 And I think we could add some features that make it catered to this particular task of burning things. It's a therapeutic, what would you call it? It's a therapeutic burning bowl. Yeah, it? It's a therapeutic burning ball. Yeah, yeah. It's not an asteroid. You can write, instead of paper, you can write on bay leaves, and then you've got like a fun scent,
Starting point is 00:33:53 and bay leaves like do this really cool like crinkly sound when you burn them. What kind of marker you got for it? A Sharpie on a bay leaf? Yeah, well they're dried bay leaves, they're not. But yeah, you can use a little marker. Okay. We gotta make different sizes, because we have to have one for burning people's clothes, too.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Right, right. Yeah, you need a larger thing. The hoodie that your ex-boyfriend left at your house. You can cut it up into little pieces. If it's larger things, then I plan it out and go camping somewhere. You got a burn barrel. Jenna got a burn barrel that she turns over and she sits on it as a stool. Right, right, right. I like this. So, and okay, so the ceremonial aspect of this
Starting point is 00:34:35 is therapeutic for you. Yes. Can you give us a general sketch of the genre of thing you were burning? Limiting beliefs. Oh, limiting beliefs. Something I was holding onto that was toxic for me and my growth.
Starting point is 00:35:02 How about that? Well, you will. Okay, all right. I get it, I get it. And you wrote it down. Wrote it down. You burned it. Burned it. Let it go.
Starting point is 00:35:11 And did you look at it while it was burning? Yeah. And did you talk to it, or is there more to this? I didn't talk to it. Make sure it's fully out and then dispose of the ashes. I usually put the ashes after they're fully out or I'll pour water or something on them and I'll put it in my compost. This is the type of thing that there's a Japanese word for this.
Starting point is 00:35:33 I sound so hippie. Or hippie. Or potentially a German word for it. A German word. No, this is definitely, there's a Japanese word for this because I know that they... Well, first of all, this whole idea of ritualizing things and ceremonializing things is, I mean, first,
Starting point is 00:35:51 it's just the way that we work as people, right? It's like, if you're just like, no, I just want to, and this may work for some people, I'm just going to make this decision. I'm just going to have this complete thought experiment within my own mind that's going to be transformative. But for most of human history, we've needed some sort of physical- Ceremony.
Starting point is 00:36:16 Representation of the thing that we're trying to make happen internally. So I like this. Especially if we're selling something to help people do it. Yeah, you're not supposed to say that. I'm just setting up. This is the beginning of the marketing story. You're right. You're not supposed to reveal where I'm going with this. Sorry about that.
Starting point is 00:36:37 I'm creating the need for the product that we provide. You understand? Yeah. Don't capitalize my thing. Too late. Just trying to help people. What if breaking free from capitalist society was a thing that I burned, guys?
Starting point is 00:36:55 That's not healthy. Then that would be ironic. As long as the proletariat owns the means of production of these vessels, then we're all good. Stevie. Stevie. Stevie's not here, dude. Stevie's so capitalist, though,
Starting point is 00:37:13 that's why she came to mind. When we're on a microphone and on a camera, we're usually talking to Stevie, so I just go back to it reflexively. Jenna? So the advice has been confirmed. And the interesting part of this is the caller was not regretful in burning the letters. That seems to be the point, yeah. Even after 15 years, 20 years later, they're friends, and presumably as friends, maybe you could read back
Starting point is 00:37:54 through the letters and laugh at it, but the cringe fighter would still be too hot. But it seems like the implication is that the burning of the stuff, which allowed for the processing of the relationship, opened the door for a new level of engagement many years later. Well, maybe, maybe not. And you don't burn stuff so you can then become friends
Starting point is 00:38:16 with somebody, I'm not saying that, but I think it's. But it doesn't close the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Burning stuff, it provides closure. If you had never processed it, then that new friendship would have been really complicated, probably. Okay, I provides closure. If you had never processed it, then that new friendship would have been really complicated, probably. Okay, I hear that. So it gives you closure so you can move forward, and then 15, 20
Starting point is 00:38:32 years later, it might lead to some sort of amicable arrangement of friendship. Maybe it's called the closure. The closure. And when you burn something, it plays a song by Hosier. Ooh. I do have different playlists depending on what I'm burning and Hosier is on those, like he's in all those playlists I think, yeah. She's got that vibe.
Starting point is 00:38:58 Do you have any Ambrosia on your list? Ambrosia. On your playlist? Put a little of them on there too. Yeah. So we play only songs that rhyme with closure. Closure, in fact- Hosier, and brosier. I think it's hosier, is how people actually say it.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Every time, isn't it hosier and not hosier? I don't know. Pope and Cher. We could call him Andrew, that is his name as well. Yeah, but we don't know. Pope and Cher? We could call him Andrew. That is his name. Yeah, but we don't know him. Alright. Burn Away is what we've learned. I love it when we get voicemails that say that we're right. He says I was right!
Starting point is 00:39:37 Jenna was specifically right, but as a show. Well, let's see if we have any more of those. Let's see if we have any more of those, Jamie. Hey, Rhett and Link. My name is Dallin. I live in Idaho. I just listened to Rhett make the joke about how Mormons seem like they're a nationality sometimes. First of all, yes, we can take a joke. And second of all, you're absolutely right that there is a very distinctly Mormon look. If you were born in the church, there is actually a study, I don't know who conducted it or if it's reliable, that demonstrated that Mormons could with at least 60% accuracy
Starting point is 00:40:19 identify other Mormons, which for a religious group is, I think, pretty impressive. So we definitely all have some sort of look about us. Not wrong. Wow. Okay. Well, I feel like, well, first of all, thank you for confirming that I was right. I always loved that. But also-
Starting point is 00:40:39 Mormons are a nationality. I think that we could do this with Baptists and Presbyterians. Yeah. I think if you put me and you down in front of a group of American Baptists and Presbyterians. Yep, yep. We could parse them.
Starting point is 00:40:57 We could separate the sheep from the goats, so to speak. And there's only, I don't think there's a lot of people who could do this. And we all know who the goats are in this scenario. Who could do this as well as us. Because while we were both once non-denominational. Before that, we were both Baptist. And then I remained non-denominational. And I got some Presbyterian. You went Presbyterian. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:21 And I mean, I could totally just take those two groups of people and just like parse them. Don't you think? Well, Baptists really need belts. I don't know what it is about a Baptist, but their britches are going to fall. They're gonna slouch without a belt. You don't think Presbyterians need belts? They're more likely to wear suspenders. I know that. and bow ties. Presbyterians tend to be a little less rotund than a Baptist. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Even though the Presbyterian is drinking more alcohol than the Baptist. The Baptist drink an alcohol too, but they got a stash it somewhere. They're not letting anybody know. Yep, so they take little sips, little sips, and they might go on a little, a bender when nobody knows, but the Presbyterian, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:15 and then what happens is you're like, oh, I got some time to, nobody's watching, I'm really gonna indulge, and then you're, you get more of a beer gut. It's kind of ironic. And then you gotta have the belt. I thought maybe because of the buffet. The Baptist buffet?
Starting point is 00:42:32 Well, because I feel like- That too, yeah. Baptists like to eat. But Baptists are a little bit more, they can be a little bit more legalistic, right, than a Presbyterian. A Presbyterian, you know, you've got your reform theology, you've got your Calvinism, and there's a little bit more of a like, we can only do so much,
Starting point is 00:42:51 you know what I'm saying, like, and so, they'll smoke a pipe and a cigar, and they'll drink a beer, or have a good whiskey, or whatever, and Baptist are like, they ain't gonna dance, they ain't gonna smoke, they ain't gonna drink, but they'll go to the buffet. Yeah. And you gotta make up for it somehow.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Exactly. You're setting all these vices aside, you gotta do something. Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. Okay, I can see that. That's why they need a belt. I think we're talking about Southern Baptists in particular though.
Starting point is 00:43:18 That's our people, that's what we know. Yeah. How many people at your church wore a bow tie? Oh, there was at least one. You won't see a bow tie at a Baptist church. You're never gonna see a bow tie at a Baptist, unless you go to the convention, never been to the convention.
Starting point is 00:43:35 I don't think you're gonna see one. I don't think you're gonna see one. You're definitely not gonna see a pair of suspenders. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yep. We figured that one out. Learning a new language really comes in handy
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Starting point is 00:45:38 We are your local Dignity Memorial provider. Find us at DignityMemorial.ca. Hi, Ryan, I'm a huge fan of you guys. I have been watching you guys for a really long time. Anytime I have free time, I just re-watch your episodes. And I recently started listening to the podcast. And now, anytime I have free time recently started listening to the podcast and now anytime I have free time I listen to the podcast All right, so I was wondering um do you think? That a relationship can come back from a lot of arguments
Starting point is 00:46:18 Like if you argue frequently, I know you guys don't do relationship talk much, but you guys have relationships that I admire, and I think you and both your wives are very sweet and cute, and you have beautiful families, and I think that you guys have a good basis of how you got there. So, yeah, I was just wondering if you think that it could bounce back from arguing frequently. Mm. Mm. See, I'm curious what you have to say about this, because I think when it comes to arguing, something that I've learned from you is that some people like to argue.
Starting point is 00:47:03 Now, I'm not saying you like to argue, but I know that, um, you know, in the social dynamic with Jessie and, like, her family, like, what I learned from that is, like, they enjoy arguing, at least to a certain degree. I'm an outsider. I'm just hearing this from the outside. Whereas me, I'm like, I don't want an argument. Now, and so I think what I started to learn was there's a difference between an argument and a conflict because I use the terms interchangeably. And so that's what started to open up for me, is that there might be a difference.
Starting point is 00:47:47 If both people in a relationship like to argue, then I think that could work. I think maybe the term you're looking for is debate. Debate. Okay. Because a debate is an exchange of ideas that is not personal. But then when it gets heated. Which easily happens. Right, then I'm like, oh my gosh, did something just go wrong?
Starting point is 00:48:13 It's like no, they just got into it. So my experience with this. And as long as everybody's on the same page, then that can be a form of enjoyment. My experience with this is like, okay, so my family growing up, not much of a debating family, right? Like kind of the way it worked at our house
Starting point is 00:48:28 is my dad had an idea. And then everybody agreed with it. Or a opinion that everybody just agreed with. That was just kind of how it worked, right? You know what? And then you tell me and then I would agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we didn't worry about any of that in my house.
Starting point is 00:48:41 And my wife's family was very different in that yes, her dad may have had an opinion, but that didn't mean everyone was gonna agree with it. And so there is a healthy level of debate about all kinds of things. And I've seen some people come into an environment like that and that's not their family. And maybe this was me at the beginning. I think I kind of understood it from the beginning but I've seen people come into it and be like,
Starting point is 00:49:12 well, these people are all mad at each other. They're like, they're, why does it get heated or whatever? And it's like, well, it's not, it's philosophical in nature for the most part, right? But I don't really think that's what we're talking about. To me, we're talking about relationships and the way that I've always described it is, I have seen a correlation, it seems to move like this, that there's usually a low frequency, high amplitude, or high frequency, low amplitude. They seem to be inversely correlated. Let me explain that. So some couples argue not very frequently, but when they do, it's very intense.
Starting point is 00:49:57 Big blowout. And some couples argue all the time, and it's not that serious. Me and Christy, like like first few years of marriage, bottle up, bottle up, big blowout. Oh, you're locking yourself in the garage again. Oh, how's that even possible? Did you do that or she did that? She does that, she did that to get away from me.
Starting point is 00:50:17 She does that. She did that to get away from me. Your garage is pretty nice though, like you've got like a rug in there. Thank you. Now you know why. Ha ha ha ha. I mean we don't do that, we haven't done that in many years.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Okay. But yeah, I do think that's why I kinda like, I make the garage a place where like, if she has to retreat away from me, she's got a comfortable space that, you know. Gotta put a couch in there maybe,. A lot of big blow ups. Okay. Not a lot of them. Blow up mattresses?
Starting point is 00:50:49 You're talking about? Oh no, not in the garage. Okay, cut it. And now it's like little arguments that happen more often. Yeah. And that's more manageable. And we found this like, and I'm not- Sweet spot.
Starting point is 00:51:04 I'm, this isn't. There may be some couples who hardly ever fight and when they do, it's really low amplitude. This is not like... I'm just saying that it's a general observation. But it sounds like what you're saying is that there's been conflict, like high frequency, maybe high intensity conflict and you're like, can a relationship come back from that? This could happen, right? So it happens in the movies, but I do think- Well, then that's likely.
Starting point is 00:51:38 It do happen in real life as well. Okay. And that is you're arguing, It's getting very, very intense. You're talking about Hanky Panky. And then all of a sudden you're just screwing. Pfft. Yeah. I don't know if that's healthy or not.
Starting point is 00:51:56 So that's how you, that's your foreplay? No, no, no. It's like, oh, just start looking at like foreplay. No, no, no. I'm saying if you're in this predicament where you don't know if the relationship can come back from all the arguing, just make it really intense one time and then just see if that can lead to sex.
Starting point is 00:52:17 And I think if that does. So you're arguing, how do you assess this? You're like arguing, you're like, God, I'm so mad at you right now, and then you're like, do you take a second, maybe you got sweatpants on, and you're just like, brrng, you like pull them out, so you can look down and,
Starting point is 00:52:32 look down in there. Okay. Nothing happening yet, let's keep arguing. Brrng, nothing yet. Let's keep arguing. I don't know the logistics here. I'm just talking about a principle. Let's get in our sweatpants and argue.
Starting point is 00:52:48 I will say, I don't think, if you're planning on screwing, I don't think starting with sweatpants is where you wanna be. Well, it just makes it easier to check. Unless you look really good in sweatpants. You know that guy who was, you know the guy from The Leftovers? Yes. What's his name?
Starting point is 00:53:07 He dated, what was the guy from The Leftovers? I know, he was jogging in his sweatpants and his junk was jiggling. Justin Theroux? Justin Theroux. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks good in sweatpants. Yeah, I don't think I do.
Starting point is 00:53:19 And apparently, you know, because you can see a shlong in them. And so I'm saying for him, maybe it works. I don't know if it works for everybody. I'm just, what I'm getting at is you might find that the thing that's leading to the conflict is a passion that just needs to be released in a physical form. There's just one option. I'm not suggesting that you have to try that.
Starting point is 00:53:46 He didn't call it the healthy option. He just called it one option. I mean, if you're fighting all the time, you get, you know, it's just like, you're gonna get fed up. That could lead to a conversation. Maybe you'll agree on something, which is that you're both fed up with arguing. I think it's a good question to ask. Well, how do you feel about... Do you think we argue a lot? And how do you feel about that? Does it make you horny? Or does it make you annoyed? If you ask it like that, it's not gonna work, man. You can't ask it like a baby. Well, I'm not trying. It's not foreplay. This is a conversation. Did you make you horny?
Starting point is 00:54:25 Get to me and my sweatpants make you horny. That's not gonna work, man. It wasn't supposed to work. You were supposed to get answers. Okay, how about this? Maybe you can agree on breaking up. Well, before we tell somebody to break up. Ain't nothing wrong with breaking up. I'm, yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Sometimes forest fires are a good thing. That's true, you gotta burn the underbrush. You know, they've been built on, you know, the forest count on being burned. Can I give another data point? It all comes back to fire. That's right, you gotta burn something up. Here's another data point, here's another data point that I found to be pretty interesting.
Starting point is 00:55:10 I heard a researcher of sorts say that there is an incredible, so when you're falling in love with someone and you're in that stage where they can do no wrong, and the way that they sip their drink is endearing and sexy. You know, you're falling in love, everything is sexy. And then, on average, 30 months later, two and a half years after falling in love,
Starting point is 00:55:44 on average, you will, for whatever reason, I don't know the reason, those things that were endearing will become annoying. That's just what happens in most relationships, right? And the people who are able to move to the next stage beyond that. And it doesn't mean you necessarily have to then again, find the way that they sip tea to be endearing in the way that you did when you were falling in love.
Starting point is 00:56:14 But you sort of recognize it like, okay, there was a chemical concoction in my brain that was really driving me to fall head over heels in love with this person. And then that concoction sort of changes its makeup on average two and a half years later. And now you basically have to work a little bit differently for the relationship to work, right?
Starting point is 00:56:39 Yeah. And I think, just theorizing here, that a lot of couples get to that 30 month mark and then they kind of just exist in this slight annoyance with each other. But there's a convenience to the relationship where getting out of the relationship seems like more work than staying in the relationship.
Starting point is 00:57:03 I think this probably characterizes a good percentage of relationships. And in that state of mild annoyance with someone that you are in close proximity with on a regular basis, you're gonna fight a lot. You're gonna be annoyed at each other. You're going to argue about things at a high frequency, right?
Starting point is 00:57:27 And I'm not saying I know that that's what's happening in this situation, but it could be, it could be. And so I think I don't really have a lot of good advice for how to get past that other than, I think the only reason that I, me and Jesse were able to get past that is there was this, and I'm not saying I remember 30 months in I was annoyed by the way she ate an apple or whatever.
Starting point is 00:57:53 I'm not saying I remember that. But you do know that there's like the complexion and the relationship changes. But we had this sort of beneath it all, this thing that was like, there was really no world in which it wasn't gonna work out, like regardless of how tough it got, you know? Yeah. That then that just ends up, if you keep focusing on that,
Starting point is 00:58:15 then a lot of times those things will eventually fade away. And I'm sure I'm annoying to Jessie, and she can be annoying to me at times. But I would say that it's significantly... it's less than it was at its peak. And also the nature of our arguments is more like, we went on a walk the other night, and we spent 30 minutes of our walk debating about my walking speed because I had talked about it on the podcast, right? Did we talk about it?
Starting point is 00:58:52 Maybe it was when she was here. I can't remember, but we talked about the fact that she complains about me walking ahead of her in public situations and then I'd say that she's walking too slow and she's like, your legs are super long. So we had this like long conversation where I was basically talking about how she was like,
Starting point is 00:59:11 I have to work harder to walk as fast as you. And then I was like, well, as a matter of fact, I just saw, cause this was like during the Olympics, I was like, I just saw the person who won the gold medal in the walking contest. They have that? You know, in the Olympics, yeah, the walkers. You know the walkers, it's a track and field event.
Starting point is 00:59:36 Oh. You can't, you have to have one foot on the ground all the time. Yes, yes. I was like, how tall do you think the gold medalist was? Because by your logic, they should be seven feet tall. Right? The bigger they are, the faster they walk, right? And they were like five, six.
Starting point is 00:59:52 Okay? Five, six? Yes, because it's not about how long your legs are. If your legs are longer and they're bigger, it requires more energy to move them. It all balances out. Anyway, we got into an argument, like about this, for 30 minutes, and I was like,
Starting point is 01:00:08 did you win? And I was like, no, of course I didn't. But I was like, I'm not backing down on this because the gold medalist is 5'6", I feel like I've got this in the bag. And I was like, let's go look at the average heights of the gold medal winners in this event. Because what you find in Olympics is that
Starting point is 01:00:24 every single event has a body type that ends up winning. Who wins the high jump, right? You watch the high jump, you see these tall, slim women, every one of them. I think they're Presbyterians. All Presbyterians jumping over that thing, right? You don't see like a five-foot woman doing it. You don't see like a six, eight woman doing it. It's like someone who's like unusually tall for a woman, slim, like long legs, like who's winning the 100 meter dash.
Starting point is 01:00:53 So anyway, so I thought I made my point, but it didn't matter, but at the end, we basically laughed about the fact that we had talked about this for half an hour on a walk. Okay. I'm sorry that you still lost, Rhett. Well, I think I won. I did not succeed in convincing her,
Starting point is 01:01:11 but I think I have the better argument. Okay, I think this requires a timeout. That's my advice. A timeout, and I think this is the question of like, talking about the fact that you have arguments. I think a little curiosity would go a long way. Do you think we argue a lot? What do you think that means?
Starting point is 01:01:31 Does it annoy you that we argue a lot? Are you annoyed at me a lot and that's why we argue? You know, lob some questions. Hmm, lob them. Yeah, I was like, I don't care. So it's like, well, I don't know. Maybe you need to find a Baptist. But yes, your relationship can come back from arguments. Sure.
Starting point is 01:01:53 Sure it can. Of course! Sure it can, right? Look at us. Yeah. Give us a nice one to go out on. Hey guys, it's Jamie. So I have a situation that I could use your advice on. My stepmom is applying for a job in the school district that I have taught at for the past 12 years.
Starting point is 01:02:20 And while I like my stepmom in small doses, I think being in the same building with her day after day after day would put a substantial strain on our relationship. She's already turned in the application and she put me down as a reference, which I also think is kind of weird. So what do you think is the best way to handle this situation both with her as well as if my bosses ask me about her.
Starting point is 01:02:46 Thanks for your help. Talk to you later, hopefully. Bye. So this Jamie's a teacher? I would assume. Not you. Not me. It sounded like you.
Starting point is 01:02:56 It did sound like you. And then I was like, well, hold on. Is this Jamie, our producer, who's sitting right here? And her stepmom's about to start working here. And we're interviewing her stepmom? Also don't have a stepmom, which is nice. Okay. Parents still together. Okay, I get it.
Starting point is 01:03:13 All right, good for them. And for you. Stepmoms can be nice too. Yeah, they can be nice. But they also cannot be. But her mom was the previous caller who's been arguing a lot, though, so we don't know how long it's gonna last.
Starting point is 01:03:28 I mean, it doesn't sound like, it sounds like stepmom needs to understand a little boundaries here. I mean, it doesn't sound like she asked stepdaughter what she thought about this job application before she submitted it. So that leaves the door open for you to do what you need to do, stepdaughter. This is your realm. And is stepmom gonna be coming in there? She put you as a reference. That also opened the door. You have the power. Like He-Man. I think, hopefully, the principal or whoever's hiring is gonna ask you about
Starting point is 01:04:07 this. And I think there's a way to just say, well, you know, she is my stepmom. So it kind of is a... I don't know how strange that might be. You know, you just put a little doubt in there. It's like, you don't know about it. She's a great person. I love her. Or my dad loves her. Or whatever is true to say. But like, just plan a little, like, you're a little concerned. And so it's, you know, that's the power that you have is to like just say a little something. It's not like character assassination in it by any form. And then they're probably getting the message, you know, we probably shouldn't be hiring people who are like related by marriage to work here.
Starting point is 01:05:05 That can complicate things. What's the nature of this school? How big is it? Well, they said the district, so isn't necessarily that specific school. Like she says her stepmom is applying at the same school district. So maybe it could be a different school.
Starting point is 01:05:21 This isn't Montessori, right? And how desperate is she for a job? Well, we don't know the background. different school. This isn't Montessori, right? And how desperate is she for a job? You know? Well, we don't know the background. You know, I mean, if she's desperate for a freaking job, I don't know if you should sabotage it. That feels, yeah, I don't know the nature of this, but that's not gonna stop us from pontificating on it.
Starting point is 01:05:39 Yeah, you know, you're probably not really interested in, you're probably gonna consult other people. Let me just say that. You should. Yeah, we're gonna rely on that. But what I would say, one of the things about Link's plan that I don't believe will work. Okay, it's just a debate, let's hear it.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Is if you say something in the reference that causes her to not get the job. Right? What's she gonna do? Yeah, but she wouldn't know that. It's not like the boss is gonna say, we weren't gonna hire you, but your stepdaughter felt weird about it.
Starting point is 01:06:18 When you apply for a job that you're qualified for, that you have the, let's just say, qualified for, has the experience for, there is a need for it, and then there's a reference, and then you don't get hired. Your first thought is, well, what happened with the reference? And now you've got a potentially
Starting point is 01:06:36 more complicated situation, because now- But it's isolated. It's like, what did you say for my reference? Well, I said that it might be weird to have stepmom at the thing. But you can't say that. Oh, then you're gonna lie? You're gonna lie, yeah. So, first, I'll just say I respect the...
Starting point is 01:06:56 You know how it is. You've got your life in this arena, and then you've got your family over here. Right. And then sometimes, all of a sudden, the family doesn't end around and ends up being involved in this thing over here that you didn't expect, and it can be complicated,
Starting point is 01:07:18 and that doesn't make you a bad person for recognizing that. Right, you're a bad person for other reasons. I don't know the nature of the relationship. But what I would say, and I believe that the healthiest path forward is probably- Burning something. Because you were asked to be a reference.
Starting point is 01:07:42 The door is open. Yes, the door is open for you to say whatever you want to on the reference, but the door is is open for you to say whatever you want to on the reference, but the door is also open for you to just have a conversation. With the step mother? A direct conversation. And just be like, how bad do you need this?
Starting point is 01:07:57 This is how I'm worried about this for the following reasons. And again, I'm not gonna give you the reasons because I don't know the reasons. Oh no. If there's something that happened in the past or there's a pattern that happens with this person and you in public or what.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Or you just see what happens and you relinquish the power that you have to say something to steer them away from hiring her, but then you gotta have this boundary conversation about like, don't talk to me at work. You don't wanna do that. You know, don't talk to me. Now I didn't wanna go here, I didn't wanna go here,
Starting point is 01:08:38 but I just feel like to make sure that this is a comprehensive answer, I feel like I got to. If this is a high school situation, right? Or even a middle school situation. Okay. Having someone and their stepmom in the same environment, it just invites too many jokes
Starting point is 01:08:58 because all the porn is about stepmoms. Let's just be clear here. So all the kids are making porn jokes? I'm just saying that the kids are watching porn, there's a lot of step stuff happening in porn, and you're just walking right into an awkward situation, and so you could put in the reference, if you just want to be straight up honest, you could say, you know what, according to a podcast that I listen to, all the kids are watching porn, there's a lot of step stuff in porn, and I'm worried about the kids making
Starting point is 01:09:34 porn jokes if me and my stepmom are at the same school. Because there's no blood relation. Right. But there's still like this moral... Ambiguity. Ambiguity. Ambiguity. That's why people like it, man. It's exciting.
Starting point is 01:09:47 I like to push the limits. They'll be like, well this isn't technically incestuous. There's also the hot for teacher thing. Yeah, this has got so many red flags. Oh my gosh. Related to porn. I'm hot for stepmom teacher. Oh gosh, yeah, I think I just should have started with this.
Starting point is 01:10:04 Your stepmom can't work at the same school as you because there's too many porn categories related to that situation. Right, it's a confluence of porn categories centering on her, and you're doing her a favor by showing her this stuff before she becomes a part of it. You can't have two connections to a person that are porn categories in front of high schoolers. You can't do it. That's it. We cracked it.
Starting point is 01:10:27 Woo, what a relief, man. What a relief. I knew we would get there eventually. And that's a much easier conversation than everything else we talked about. You just tell your stepmom that. Yeah, or just show it to her. Just start sending it to her.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Yeah, send her some links. This is how they would see you. You know what? And if she does get the job, you could send her some links, and then if she opens them at work, she might get fired. So really, there's no way you can lose in this situation. There you go. Maybe she should look into living in a van and slapping people.
Starting point is 01:11:03 You know, that's another... I thought you were bringing up another porn category, the van one. Yeah. The slap bus. Slaping is also part of it. Yeah, people are sick, man. Okay, well, if we haven't proven our point,
Starting point is 01:11:25 I'll just go ahead and say it, you need to call us. Yeah. 188- Ear Pod One. We had a good time, we don't have time for your rec. Yeah, we do. Of course we do. Last night I went to the Faye Webster concert.
Starting point is 01:11:41 My wife is a big fan, I have been a fan, but usually when she's listening and after having seen Faye Webster concert. My wife is a big fan. I have been a fan, but usually when she's listening and after having seen Faye in concert, I'm now, I'm on board. Oh, okay. I loved her music already, but you get to see the person behind the music, and she is a character. I am not familiar with. Wonderfully Weird is how I would describe her.
Starting point is 01:12:07 Okay. She brought out Daniel Caesar for a song. Oh. She also has a song on her latest album with Lil Yachty who was like a classmate of hers. Oh, I might have heard that one. And it's called Lego Ring. And it's not really representative of her body of work.
Starting point is 01:12:25 If you are interested in checking out Faye Webster, which I highly recommend, just listen to the song Kingston. It's been out for years, I think it was like a 2019 album. But that's like, if you don't like that, then you don't need to listen to it anymore. And if you do, keep on listening. But first, just a, that, if you don't like that, then you don't need to listen anymore. And if you do, keep on listening. But first, just a quick reminder,
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