Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - Ep. 50 Mitchell Davis- Ear Biscuits

Episode Date: September 19, 2014

Veteran YouTube vlogger and video artist, Mitchell Davis of LiveLavaLive, joins Rhett & Link this week to discuss weathering the perceived rejection of his mom at a young age, his bout with a paralyzing case of OCD, Facebooking the father that he never knew, and the challenges of balancing his YouTube career goals with his more artistic desires. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is Mythical. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I'm Link. And I'm Rhett. It's time for another conversation with someone interesting from the internet. And this week our guest at the round table of dim lighting is longtime YouTuber, vlogger, and video artist, Mitchell Davis.

Started his channel LiveLavaLive all the way back in May 2007, and he's currently got 650,000 subscribers and over 100 million total views since then. Now he's a comedic vlogger, he's also a visual artiste. Yeah he's an artsy guy. And so we talk about those two different worlds and he actually recently combined those onto his main channel just a matter of months ago.

Right. But we really can't do justice to his visual art video pieces. You have to watch those. Well, yeah, they're visual. You have to watch the visual ones. But it's mesmerizing footage, intoxicatingly edited is how I would describe it.

Good word. So it's, you know that thing on the iTunes visualizer? I don't usually turn that on. But I remember like way back in the day, the first time I ever started listening to music on iTunes, I was like, what is this flower button? And I press that and the whole screen turns into like- Mesmerizing, intoxicating.

Yeah, it turns into this graphic flower that morphs over time when you're listening to, I don't know, John Denver. John Denver's isn't very exciting. But that's what, yes. I am doing no justice to what Mitchell does on his channel. You have to watch him. Well, we're just whetting your appetite

so you will go watch him. But another thing about Mitchell, now first of all, I've always thought that he's just an incredibly funny dude. Oh yeah. In person and online. And in terms of vlogging, some of his vlogs are some of the funniest vlogs I have ever found on YouTube. Here's an example of one because you don't have to see this

when you can hear it to find out how funny it is. It's called the Panty Dropper. So I don't know if you guys know this, but I've talked about it a little bit in the past here on Live Love Alive, but I like cologne. I like wearing cologne. I don't know why, but when I wear it, I feel like I'm invincible. I steal. I've been wearing the same cologne for a really long time, like a long time. And to be totally honest, the only reason that I wore this cologne that I actually picked is because when I walked into the cologne store as a young woman, I almost said as a young woman, I walked into a

cologne store as a young woman. When I walked into the store full of as a young woman, I almost said as a young woman. I walked into a cologne store as a young woman. When I walked into the store full of fragrances, I beelined right to the woman who was in charge and I said, Hi, I'm Mitchell and I'm looking for something to make me smell better. So like, what kind of smell are you looking for? I'm not sure exactly. Well, if you're not really sure, we have this one and everybody buys it and all the dudes who work here call it the panty dropper. This is the truth and I think that's what makes it funny.

So she got the bottle and I smelled it and it was actually pretty nice and I've been wearing it ever since and it's been a joke ongoing that I bought it because it's a panty dropper, when realistically, it wasn't. Now when a guy's been vlogging for seven years, you might think that you know everything about him

if you've been following him, right? But the interesting thing that we find out in this Ear Biscuit is that there was a whole lot of stuff going on that he wasn't necessarily sharing with his audience at the time. Because this really becomes a quintessential Ear Biscuit where the curtain is pulled back a little bit

and it gets personal. Right. This is a really good episode. When Mitchell showed up, I was like, why is he wearing a curtain? Yeah, so he can come out from behind it. So he can pull it back. And you get to see, you get to hear what's under the curtain

in this ear biscuit. I mean, things did get personal. We talked about weathering the perceived rejection of his mom at a young age, his bout with a paralyzing case of OCD, and Facebooking the father that he never knew. And we talk about, from a professional standpoint, how he strikes the balance between being a vlogger and an artist, and specifically how he decided

to kinda go the artist route in spite of all the pressures to just be a YouTube teen idol. Teen idol. Teen idol. You said it. Okay, here it is. Enjoy our Ear Biscuit with Mitchell Davis. The other night, you emceed the Streamys reception, the one where we lost.

The Streamies before the Streamies. Yes. Yeah. The pre-Streamies. The one where we could have won an award and that you hosted, but it wasn't the real Streamies and we didn't win an award. It was all up to me, too, and I was like,

who do I want? No, not them. I knew you were making the decisions. Yeah, I was making the decisions. Well, and I think we all are on the same page of knowing that we shouldn not have won that category and we did not expect to. Science and education. Vsauce won, congratulations.

Congrats. Congratulations to Michael. I did notice that you hit your co-host on the head with a microphone. I did, I did. And was that planned? No, no, none of it was planned. This was Shira. Shira, yes.

She was, it was kind of like a last minute thing where they were like, do you wanna co-host? And I had never co-hosted anything and I've never hosted anything. So I was just like very nervous about it actually. And I was just like, sure, but no scripts for me. Just like let her do her thing and I'll just kind of like squeeze in jokes and kind of just keep it light and funny. And she was going so fast and there was no time for jokes that eventually I was just like, what's the best joke I could do without having to tell a joke?

I'm gonna bop her on the head with this microphone. Because like one, the sound of a mic hitting anything is just great. It's just that. Yeah, right. Yeah.

And. Well, the sound that you expected Shira's head to make says a lot about what you thought of Shira. So. It's not like I was expecting. Tread lightly at this point. I wasn't expecting it to be like empty

or like anything like that. I'm just saying I've been hitting it. Like a Chinese gong. If it made a gong sound, that would have been amazing. Yeah, well, I'm just asking what you expected. I just thought it would be hilarious. And you know what?

I laughed real hard about it. So it clearly worked. I didn't see it happen, you saw it happen? I saw it happen and knew that A, it wasn't planned. Yeah. And I knew that from the look on Shira's face after you did it. Oh yeah. But. What was the look?

Describe it. The look was, well she actually said it, she was like, that actually hurt. Yeah, she's. She said that actually hurt. Yeah. I found it all very entertaining, I actually said it. She was like, that actually hurt. Yeah, she said that actually hurt. Yeah. I found it all very entertaining, I do want to say. Thank you.

Yeah, I thought, you know, just add a little bit of some strangeness to it. But I was just like, are they going to talk about this afterwards? What was your response to that actually hurt? Did you? I said, I'm so sorry sorry i didn't think it actually would because i didn't i mean i've been in the head with a microphone so yeah but uh no i just thought it was like the perfect joke she was talking so fast sometimes so i was just like you know what so bloop is what you thought it would sound like bloop bloop and did you did you decompress that

later uh you know as soon as it was over i was like i'm so sorry if that really hurt and she was it i mean it was fine but i was just like it was it was for the joke well it's one of those it was one of those free-for-all events anyway oh yeah everyone is during happy hour so it's just like kind of crazy so that's that's one of the reasons why i was, like, game to, like, if I'm going to try it out for the first time hosting, let's do it this time. And, like, she just read it all, and I basically just got to chime in whenever. Oh, yeah. Well, I enjoyed the comic relief.

Thanks. For one. Good. In watching back through videos across your career in preparation for our conversation, one of the things that struck me was the whole, you know how some creators will put an annotation at the beginning of a video that will pop up and be like, be sure to watch in HD, which I think was a big thing

when you could first have that option. We all had the option of educating our audience to click on that little whatever it was at the time. Now it's like a little gear on the YouTube player where you can then change it to HD. And now it's, you know, if you shot this thing in 4K or 5K, you can choose 4 or 5K to watch the thing if your internet can handle it.

Yeah, who is watching YouTube videos in 4K? The people who shot it and uploaded it. I'm like, where's the 4K button on my cell phone? That's the question. Because I'm watching a lot of YouTube on my phone and I've kind of made a rule with myself that I'm never going to go over 720. There's no point. No kid is ever being like, oh man, let this thing buffer because I got gotta watch it in 5K, 6K. Well, especially on a phone. But the thing that occurred to me was when I think about your content,

I actually think about that. Like the training as an audience member to switch to HD actually is engaged when watching your content because I want to, you always make choice, you make artistic choices with everything you do. Even if I'm, I mean, I never thought I would watch anyone's what I would call a vlog, okay? Yeah.

And have a desire to bump that up to HD and to make sure I wasn't missing anything. But I think that sums up how I now see you. And I think we'll unpack this. We see you in HD. That is, I'm glad you do. When I watch you, I wanna watch, I'm watching the choices that you're making.

And it's very funny, it's very fascinating, it's very engaging, but I don't want that to be compromised. You know, it's kinda like when I go to a movie theater, I wanna go to the Arclight here in town because they, it's the least likely to have a compromised experience. I'll pay a little bit more for that. And I think that's a testimony to who you are

and what, one of the things I'd like to explore in this conversation is that you make those type of choices that I wanna click on the HD. But it's fascinating because a lot of times you could just describe it as a vlog. Yeah, I've often called it vlogging plus, is where I know that it's just a vlog, but I really try to stylize it. I really try to make it... I just try to take it to an artistic level of where if the audio was turned off

and music was just playing, you'd still want to watch it. You'd still think, like, this is visually pleasing. I like the way this looks, even though I'm not exactly sure what he's talking about. Do you have a better, is it easier for you to describe your work and summarize what you do,

or to describe who you are like i'm a youtuber or i'm a fill in the blank i always just try to i'm just an artist i'm just a digital artist just trying to get away with whatever i can but comedian i mean what what what do you throw in there yeah i mean it kind of depends on the situation i mean yeah i do tell jokes a lot of times and then sometimes i do like the most avant-garde like what is this yeah so it's kind of just that's why i've always just gone with artists because i feel like comedians are artists and so is pablo picasso so it's just kind of like this like catch-all phrase that i can use is just like well youtube is a catch-all phrase too it no you're right but not all of my artwork is on youtube so that's kind of where it

kind of it for me, I want to make sure that they understand that that's not my only home. Like, I am on SoundCloud, I'm doing things in the real world, physical world, and I'm selling prints. You're selling prints, the artist? I'm selling prints, the artist, all the vinyls, go to Mitch Davis at Net. But yeah, so it ended up just kind of being this,

just the one word just kind of being this, just the one word that kind of fit. Well, you know, I would say, in addition to wanting to click on the HD button on your content, I would describe it as thoughtful and you have a certain amount of conviction. There's a commitment to something that goes beyond, I'm just here to play this game, I'm here to play this YouTube game.

So I wanna get at where that comes from. You know, this is an ear biscuit, we're going into your ear hole. Yeah, I can feel you guys. Into the brain. Going inside my brain right now. And so, you know so I'm assuming that, as is often the case, I wanna find out about what was life like

before this whole thing happened that led to this thoughtfulness that you exhibit. You exhibited from the beginning in your content. So we know you're from Ohio, but that's about it. That's what we know. Yeah. What else? So you want me to start from the beginning?

Were you born in Ohio? I was born in Daytona, Florida. Oh, Daytona, Florida. You can drive on the beach there. And I was born and I basically was like, I was there for like a week or two and then my mom came back and lived with my grandma and we lived there for a long time

so you were like two weeks old i yeah it was like a just a little tiny just a turd of a baby they just moved me to ohio so was this like a a split situation like a parent split situation i think it was from what i understand i don't know a whole lot about this um i never met my real dad i still haven't uh and i think it was just kind of she had the baby and which me she had me the baby mitchell the baby mitchell and i think she just realized like oh this isn't where i want him to grow up this is not the environment so from what i've heard i know very little i didn't even find out that who i thought was my real dad wasn't my real dad until I was like a teenager and really yeah because I thought that when we when we when she moved back to Ohio she met a man and

they ended up getting married and I had just always assumed that was my real dad until I started middle school and they asked for my they asked for like some paperwork and I noticed the name was different and I was like, wait a second. Hold up. Wait a second. And so literally I just remember. What do you mean the name was different? My last name was different.

And it was the first time you had thought about that. Yeah, I'd been like, oh, that's strange. That never really registered with me. My dad, so your dad's last name was not Davis. Yeah, it was Evans. So Evans was on that form. And I was just like, why would they ever put Evans? That doesn't make any sense.

And so we were in line at a bank, and I just randomly had the epiphany moment. And I looked up, and I was like, he's not my real dad, is he? And she was just like, we need to go home, don't we? And I was like, yep, we need to go home. Yeah, let's take this behind closed doors. Yeah. So it was just like this weird moment where I was just like, holy shit. Did she make her deposit

or did you leave line immediately? She made her deposit and then we went home. I mean, it was just such a, it was such a weird. Bombshell? Kind of. I think it should have shook me a lot more than it did. If anything, though, it was just kind of like, okay.

I mean, I get it, but it doesn't, I mean, I still feel the exact same after I just figured it all out. And at the time, was your mom still with the boyfriend that you had thought was your dad? The husband, and yes, yes. The husband, okay. But we, I had never. You weren't adopted by him.

No, no. I was never really okay. But we, I had never- You weren't adopted by him. No, no. I was never really, and you know, to this day, I never still really clicked with anyone my mom has been married to or dated or anything. I've always just kind of been like, if anything, I've always just kind of just been like the real parent in my life has always been my grandparents. And you know, Juanita and Leon.

Shout out, grandparents, they're the best. They got good names too. Because you ended up living with them. I gathered that from one of the first vlogs I watched. I've lived with my grandparents like on and off. I mean, I might move with them again. They're the best. They're like the coolest old people I've ever come

in contact with. To the point where I'm like throwing them in videos and stuff because they're so funny to me. Was the first video that you put your granddad in the one where you were kind of talking about, I'm sorry I haven't made videos, like in the first few months, your earliest videos, you can see your granddad in there,

and it's like, I've got all this footage, I don't know how to make videos, I've got this great footage of my granddad yeah and then you cut to it yeah and that and and that was all totally staged too i was just like i did not have any extra footage i was just like i'm just i i just had this idea where i was like what if i made a video about how i can't make a video which i mean is like my real problem all the time but i like kind of playing with that idea and so he would always just barge in my room and and he's just got like this really intense like what are you doing what's this over here what are you doing let me sit for you he would always sit in front of my computer and like tap on the

thing and be like messing up your videos mitchell you better watch out and i'm just like get out of here and so um he would just kind of he we became, it was like this weird older brother situation, and I was the older brother. In this video, you were trying to get him to say, live love, live rocks. Yes, and he just couldn't get it out of his mouth. He was just like, live love, rocks, rocks. I'm just like, that's great, thank you. And then he walks away, but then he comes back and picks up your chair. I thought he was going to beat you like pro wrestler style.

No, and see, and that's like the brother stuff is he just picked it up and then you just put it right back down. But as soon as he picked it up, I just went with it and I was just like, oh man, I'm about to just start screaming because it's going to be hilarious. Yeah.

Yeah, he's just, he's wild. He's so cool though. Did he have an accent? I mean. See, okay, everyone thinks he has an accent. He had a stroke. He had a stroke and he was like the most boring grandfather i ever had and then he had a stroke and everybody kind of got

i don't want to say afraid of him but everyone kind of got like a little distant like his his like closer family and then i had all these issues with my family so i ended up living with them and so i became this like older brother kind of guy who was constantly chatting with him and really being interested in this new person that was in our lives. We were living there with kind of a stranger. He was different. He was different. His voice changed.

The accent kind of started happening. He started singing a lot. A lot of things kind of changed. I mean, when he first came to, he didn't remember anything except for the Kentucky Wildcats lineup from the 80s. So he was just like, and I, while everyone else was like, this is so awful. I was like, this is really interesting. And like, I've had multiple conversations with him about how he had to learn how to read again as an adult. And I got to talk to him about what it was like living those few months not knowing words.

And that was really, that was special to me because he was just so raw and real. And he still is with me. When I ask him a question, there's no filter. He will tell me the truth. And I just, he became one of my best friends. raw and real and he still is with me when I ask him a question there's no filter he will he will tell me the truth and um and I just he became one of my best friends he just yeah so what precipitated you moving in with your grandparents specifically um and was that before the stroke um it was it was after so like I didn't like fully live there when it happened, but it was soon after. My mom was dating a guy who we did not get along

and it kinda just became like a him or me and I just packed up my stuff and went. How old were you? But was that an ultimatum from your mom or that was like your perspective on it? It was an ultimatum, it was like it was me and him kind of just looking at her and it just was this like, I could tell that she wasn't moving or budging at the time

and I decided to get out and just be happier. And you were a teenager? Yeah, yes, and this is before I started YouTube, this is, yeah, I was a teenager. And any other, any brothers and sisters? I have a younger sister who I still chat with all the time. She still lives with my mom. And since I've, you know, made peace with her and we're cool now.

But you didn't get along with her either? No, I didn't get along with her after, well, after that whole like him or me. And then all of a sudden I ended up leaving. It was kind of like apparently, oh, man, what happened? So I was just like, give me, I literally took a year or two and was just very quiet. I didn't talk to anyone on the side of the family. I just kind of lived in my own bubble world in my grandparents' house,

hanging out with Leon and hanging out with Anita. Because I guess at that age it felt like, I mean my mom has chosen him over me. Yeah. A rejection from your mom basically. Well and then not knowing my dad, it just kind of felt like, well sheesh, I don't think I have parents right now.

And but the thing is, though, is I never looked at it like as this is awful is I kind of thought like there a lot of self discovery happened. You know, I was taking care of myself, you know, and and it was really interesting to all of a sudden be in charge of me. And it was really interesting to all of a sudden be in charge of me. And my grandparents are just kind of, you know how grandparents are. They just want the best for you, but they're also your grandparents, so they're like double nice. And so if I wanted a computer in my room, all of a sudden it was like, that was doable.

Yeah, of course you can have the computer in your room. And I was like, okay. Now, when you found out at the bank about your dad not being your real dad, did that give you a sense of, okay, well I gotta figure this out now? When you went home, what was the conversation like and then have you ever said, I'm gonna figure this out, I'm gonna go make contact? At the time it was kind of just like,

I just wanna know the truth and that's it so that's what i did and then for a long time i mean this is before you know i was the biggest thing i was doing online at the time was maybe live journal you know so it wasn't like i was like let me go hop on facebook i mean so honestly i didn't really care because i was just like well if he hasn't hung out or even tried to reach out since then, then why would I waste my time? Yeah, because the thing I was thinking was sometimes when one relationship, you know, if you've got if the relationship with your mother was suffering, there might you might be like, well, I'm going to go find my dad. Yeah. But the fact that he hadn't tried to even make contact, I was just like, you know, I don't think he's gonna wanna see me either. So it was just kind of,

and like I said, I have my grandparents and they've just been fantastic. So I was just like, I mean, I didn't even really ask. I just remember I called my grandma and I was just like, I think I'm gonna live with you guys again. And she was like, I'll come pick you up later today. She got it.

She got it. She knew, like she knew what was going on and I was just like thanks and to this day i still think it was one of the best decisions i ever made i mean like i living with them put a different perspective especially with leon it was just this friendship that i i really really appreciated i mean he really would i could just i could ask him these questions and i could really dive into this mind. And I know that he appreciates it.

And I know that he also, I mean, we're like best friends. We're each other's favorite dude. Like we just think, you're just so cool. I mean, I love hanging out with him anytime I get a chance. Every Monday, I always go have dinner with him. So it doesn't sound like you were teetering on depression as a 13, 14 year old kid or? No, I don't think so. I mean, I think I was definitely like having like moments,

you know, where every kid has moments, you know, where you're just like, this sucks. But I don't think I ever really let it affect me too much. If anything, I just kind of felt like, what am I missing? Every once in a while, I'm just like, what am I missing? Like a great example is like a couple weeks ago, I was at my girlfriend's house

and we were all having a barbecue and I just looked at her and I was just like, you know, I don't know how to use a grill. I have no idea how to use a grill. And she's like, didn't anyone ever teach you? And I was i have no idea how to use a grill and she's like didn't anyone ever teach you and i was like no i was like the only dude in my life is leon and there's no way he's getting in front of a girl right now i was like and and i was just like like that like like moments like that where i was like dang it i missed that that's you know

shaving like my grandma taught me how to shave you know, and just like those small little things. But again, I think it definitely helped mold who I am today. And so I don't really, I'm not like bummed about it. If anything, I'm like, that's what makes me me is I have these like weird little things that happened. Well, I think that's, I mean, you go through something like that and it's telling. It's kind of, it not only, it forms who you are, but it reveals who you are. You know, if there's a, if you're an optimistic person or there seems,

you seem to exude a lot of positivity in the things you do, even the choices you make, it seems like this could have been an opportunity to discover that about yourself yeah and and like you like I was saying there was a lot of self-discovery especially with when I moved and all of a sudden it was like okay if it's if it's if it's just gonna be me what are we gonna do what's gonna happen so and so just so just to close the dad part of it, what Rhett was asking, so where does that stand now? Did you ever change your mind to reach out

or figure out who he was? Actually this past year, I got on Facebook and I did some deep searching and I'm pretty sure. What led to it? What led to it is this, I had this one moment with my girlfriend right now and I just like, I just randomly started crying. We were sitting on the couch or something

and I was just like, man, I wanna know what his face looks like. I just wanna know what his face looks like right now, like at this moment. For no reason other than just curiosity, I was just like, I wanna know what his face looks like. And is there a book where I could see his face? There is.

There was. And I found it. What did she say? She said, like, go for it. She started searching because she was like, I know that there is if I were to do it and hypothetically he were to see my YouTube or something, then it could potentially, it would really mess with me if he wanted to talk to me just because of that. That would really just not work. So we started using her account. We found it and I printed off some screen grabs.

Because you knew his name. Yes. Your mom told you his name. Yeah. So I I printed off some screen grabs and literally you knew his name yes and I told you his name yeah so I just printed off like three and then went over to my mom's house and showed her three and she was just like it was like a lineup and she pointed and she was like that's definitely him and I was just like okay thanks

and then I closed it and that's it just wanted to know what he looked like. Yeah. It was just like a random breakdown moment where I was just like, I want to know. And I think it just had a lot to do with the fact that I'm aging now. I'm getting older. And I was just like, half of me is this stranger.

And half of me is worried, what if something's really wrong with him? I want to be able to have that option if I go to the doctor and they're like, does heart disease run in your family? You know, like I want to be able to be like, no, but I know who to ask if something does happen. But, you know, I'm good. I mean, really, at the end of it, I'm just like. But what did you see in the photo? Whenever your mom said, that's him, what did you see in the photo? Whenever your mom said, that's him, what did you see? It's kind of like I just saw a stranger that I have a weird piece of yarn tied to.

That's like tied to my finger, way to his, that we never even know is there. That's what it kind of felt like. It was just kind of like it's like when you see someone fall and you help them pick up all their things and then you walk away and you're like I'm never going to see them again but that was a nice moment. I felt the same in my gut with that except it was just

kind of like yeah we have a weird connection but neither of us will ever really know about it or think about it again. If right now in my life he was like I want to meet you i'd be like too late yeah you you missed your opportunity man i'm i'm an adult now and i don't need another person that's i mean a stranger you know what i mean i mean i'm 25 years old i you missed your opportunity. Yeah. So what were you, during that same time, from a personal perspective, you said you were doing some stuff online.

But I gotta assume you were an artistic kid. What were you doing with your free time and how were you expressing yourself? Well, when it came to artistically online, I had another channel before Live, Love, and Live. I had another channel where I was just, I was like speed drawing and speed painting, like, you know, where you like add music in the background.

I had a whole channel where I was just doing that. Like from the get-go of YouTube, so 2006. It was early, yeah, I was doing it, and to the point where more people watched it than I knew, and then I deleted it, because it freaked me out. Because I was like, oh, that's terrifying. An audience was terrifying. At the time it was, and then I kinda like let it sit in,

and a few months later I was like, okay, I think I get this. I'm gonna try it again. And you were 16. Well, I was a little older, I was 17, 18, by the time I really got into Live, Love, and Live. I had just started high school. And yeah, and I decided to do that.

And what specifically? Because even some of those earliest videos are deleted now. Yeah, I mean, it was. The black and white videos. Yeah, my black, it was... The black and white videos. Yeah, my black and white, my whole black and white stuff. I mean, I just made them just because it was just pure passion.

I just liked making them. But you, I mean, you were watching other YouTubers. Like, I mean, I imagine you would see Smosh. You're like, okay, that... Well... Am I gonna do that? Kinda. If anything, I was watching Waverly Films and Mimi Molly and Fresnet.

So more of a New York comedy improv type thing. I was just watching, it was like vlogging from Mimi Molly where she was doing all these videos that I thought were really interesting and then Fresnet was just so quick and I I just thought like I want to do that that seems fun and at the simultaneously I'm like having the worst time with anxiety and and it's just kind of a build-up so I was just like well this is cool now I can at least use it and kind of put things out there without having to go out there. By that point, you had a couple of years at least or a high school career's worth of YouTube under your belt where you had developed a fan base,

right? Well, no, no, no, because not at first. I mean, it took a minute for anyone to start watching my YouTube stuff. like i remember loading it on my phone and like showing some some of the kids in my class like something i just made and they're like what are you doing here what what is this like um because i went to one of those school like um i went to a career school uh during high school my last two years and i went for commercial arts okay so i was going for commercial arts but I was spending all my free time making videos. So I was like kind of using that aesthetic of like logos. I mean,

that's, that's where, why I always say logo, like it came because I was so used to making logos. Like during the day I was like that, I was like, that's my life. But then this is my fun.

And then, you know, it, I kind of realized that's my life, but then this is my fun. And then, you know, I kind of realized, like, oh, no, these are mixing. It's kind of colliding together, and I can make these videos look just as nice as these logos. But it was vlog-based, stream-of-consciousness comedy that you then found in an edit. Yeah. Yeah, I would just, the first few videos i ever posted were most that i mean it was just my eyesight i turned it on and i would just kind of record myself for like 40 minutes talking about things that i saw on the internet out of context and then i would and then i cut there was a day where i cut one up and I was like, let's leave in, let's

delete all the actual talk and let's leave in all the weird parts, the middle parts, the parts that you normally would delete. An experiment. Yeah. An artistic experiment. And I crushed it all together and I titled the video Kanye West. And that's when I got like a response to it where people were like, this is so weird and funny and I don't know what he's talking about or anything. And I was just like, okay, so you guys want like the other stuff, the stuff that's not necessarily makes sense.

And that's what makes it funny is it's like random. Okay. And so. And let's be honest, you also had a certain look that at the time was. Yeah, it was the mustache. It was a giant mustache. Describe the look, Mitchell. I mean, it was just like a young guy with long hair.

It was just like a... Swoopy and long. Yeah, it was like an emo scene kind of looking guy wearing V-necks all the time. Okay, so you begin to get traction and did you have a sense at the time of the demographic that you were getting traction with? Because that's what I feel like you're kind of teetering,

you've always kind of been teetering between this, but especially in the beginning between like teen vlog star and artist, right? Yeah. And so that initial traction, where did you think it was coming from? I think that's, well, I would love to say that that is the forever struggle with Live, Love, Live for me.

Is it's just like, I just feel like no one will ever take it seriously as an art, as something art art were you thinking that at the time yes as well right i mean i've always kind of thought that i mean i've always i love telling jokes and i love making people laugh and that's great but i've always you know wanted it to be a piece of art uh live lava live i mean the name i still hold very dear because it's, that's, and I still won't tell anyone what it means because it's, it was my, my big art epiphany of when I came up with it.

And I, and that's, it was, that was everything I do technically art related is Live Lava Live. And you keep that to yourself. Yes. And you're going to take that to your grave. No, no, I actually made a promise that if and it's like a such a of course if i'm ever on your biscuits and they ask me what it means if i'm yeah no i i've always said to to viewers that if you know i get a million subscribers

i'll i'll sit down unedited and upload a video telling you exactly what it means oh and i i don't think that'll ever happen, but you know what, I had, you know, I got asked about it so much that I was like, okay, I gotta figure out a way to like equal, like make it so that I can just throw a bone out there without actually saying it, so that was the deal that I made years ago. Well, we're gonna tell you a story from our perspective

that I think will, you will find entertaining. But we'll also, I think it kinda is a picture of that moment in time, 789. We were there. Yes. And first ever, wow, was that, no? YouTube Live had happened in 08. Yeah, I watched it from home. But this was the second time we had ever been to,

first quote gathering we'd ever been to, second YouTube in real life thing after YouTube Live. July 8th. 2009. I mean, sorry, August, yeah, seven, seven, seven, eight, July 8th, 2009. Yeah, it was the date, man, seven, eight, nine. In New York.

Yeah, in Manhattan, and we were all gonna meet in Central Park. Organized by just a handful of fans who weren't, they didn't have huge subscriber numbers on YouTube or anything. No, it was just this group of people. I remember I met with them in the hotel lobby, and I was just like, I don't know what I'm doing here,

I've never been to anything like this. And they were like. Nobody knew what we were doing, right? You know what, nobody knew what we were doing. And when we showed up to the first gathering that was in Central Park and Link and I were just like, this is so cool, people are coming up to us and saying, a few people, a few people,

you know, a handful of people. We've seen your videos and we're like, oh, there's fans. People know us in real life. There's people who showed up here to meet people like us, not just us, but people like us, and they recognize us. And then they're- Because the typical Mythical Beast,

which they weren't called that at the time, was not the type, we had a following, but it was not the type of following that would show up at a 789. It wasn't a core YouTuber following. It was kind of like a, we had a fringe different thing, but this was our first exposure to the YouTube culture, fan culture.

Yeah. Yeah, no, same with me. We're just walking, so we're just walking around at the park, no organization, just like standing around and then people kind of go. Just people. A couple of people will come up to us. A couple, and then a kind of go. Just people. A couple of people will come up to us. A couple. And then a person would show up

that was a more popular YouTuber at the time and people would kind of scurry over there. I remember Shay Carl showed up and kind of a crowd kind of gathered and then all of a sudden there's like a stirring. A stirring and then a line had to be formed. Yeah, and it was- Like an unprecedented amount of organization

at such a chaotic thing. Like a line wrapping around the whole park basically. Like, well not the whole park, but everything where I could see. Mitchell Davis is here. It's Mitchell Davis. Mitchell Davis is here. It's Mitchell Davis is here.

And at that point, I had no idea that anything like that was about to happen. I had no idea. I tried to get out of going to 789 because I was so anxiety ridden. I was like- Yeah, now to know that that anxiety was such an issue. Yeah, like 789 in the hotel was my grandma.

Just like, I was like, I'm not going alone. I can't go alone. And I went with her and then I had Kevin meet me from District Lines and we walked down there and all of a sudden it was just like a flood of people and I was like, what the is going on? Yeah, you were the guy at the end of the line that you didn't know whatever form.

It was bizarre. It was bizarre. I mean, and that's when i met you guys you guys like squeezed in and i remember you got in the line i just remember being like first off i met you that was the first time i ever met you guys in real life and i just thought you're so tall you both are so your giants your tree people and then i remember just instantly having of the flip cam and just like basically basically i pressured you into making a supernote again i was like supernote was the coolest thing ever you guys got to do it again and i just remember i was just like wouldn't shut up about super as soon as you guys walked away i

shouldn't have talked about supernote that much i made a mistake yeah Yeah, because in, it was 2008, the first SuperNote, that's how we, that's the first exposure we had to you was this really popular person on the internet made a SuperNote and we heard about it immediately because everybody was talking about it. It was you and it was, it was. For the Shaytard Rebellionites. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

The most high profile SuperNote that wasn't a captain. And so we were extremely flattered. And that's why we were glad to stand in your line and finally meet you in person. I thought it was so cool. I was just like, this is what I wanted to see on YouTube. I was like, this is like that weird, you guys were using it. And I was like, they get it. Everyone get, like, you were one of those people that I was like, they're using it in

such a smart way and in a way to interact. And I just thought that it was almost like it was a big art installation project it was so cool to me and the fact that you were going to like combine all of them together and then make one long note I was just like that is so cool to be a part of something like that but the 789 experience was so eye-opening for us it sounds like it was for you. No, to this day, it's still the reason. It's when I say I started, I changed from, I considered myself becoming a YouTuber that day because I realized the community that day.

That's the day that I realized there was a lot more. Because before then, I had never subscribed to anyone. I'd only casually watched. I didn't get that there was this momentum growing of people. I didn't get that. I just kind of thought like, oh, everyone else is just doing the same thing. We're all just doing our own thing. I don't know.

And so what changed at that point when you went back home? I subscribed to everyone that I met there. And then all of a sudden I was like, whoa, the website's completely different now. It's not just an uploader and me watching things, but it was a lot more of a stream and chatting with people and then getting to see more than just the viral things.

I was staying in contact all the time. than just like the viral things. Like I was staying in contact all the time. And you can thank Catarific, Shauna, Nanalu, and Mika Kitty because they like basically cornered me after I got there and they were like, you need to get involved in the community. Everybody, you're here, but why are you here? And I was like, what do you mean?

And they were like, you don't ever talk to anyone. What are you doing here? Either you need to start subscribing and chat with all of us or get out of here. And I just remember I was kind of like shocked, but at the same time I was like, okay, cool. This is cool. This is like my intro.

I was like initiated into it or something. And yeah, they made me a youtuber instead of just like this guy using the platform and you guys did the vlog vlog vetica that's the whole reason vlog vetica existed is because they like opened my eyes to so much that we just the whole weekend we're joking like we need to start a channel together you guys you guys can help me start getting used to communicating on here and so it was a new channel called that, that then you had certain days of the week that you were assigned to upload.

Yes. And it was really, I mean, it was never that serious. It was never anything that we were all like, this is it. It was just kind of like a cool way for us to keep in contact forcefully. You know, it was kind of just like, and why not do it on YouTube when that's, we all know how to use it. Because before that, it was kind of just like, and why not do it on YouTube when that's, we all know how to use it.

Cause before that it was kind of the whole, Kyle, who presumably was your best friend, I guess. Forever. It was, you know, in the way that Rhett and I, we started making videos together, it seemed like that the plan was, you and Kyle were gonna make videos together. You know, he moved away, there was this parallel story with him

that then at certain points he would kinda dip into the channel. Yeah. But then life would kinda take the creative endeavor apart or something. Yeah, no, we used to joke that you guys were the adult versions of us, actually. We were like, that'll be us, right?

And yeah, man, yeah, it was, this kind of, okay. So Kyle really started to get serious getting into it after I got really sick. I started college and I was still doing videos. And what year was this? Was this after 7, 8, 9 or? I graduated in 08. So it was a year and then some, I think. Either way, I was about to start college.

And we had a giant windstorm. And all the power went out. And I realized that I kind of was paralyzed. Not paralyzed, really. But I was very afraid to get out of my bed. And we found out it was because I couldn't do my routines I couldn't do the things and that's when everyone kind of realized like oh no this is this is not just like casual oh he's so OCD it was like no he's very

I to the point where I was like I would just I wouldn't step out of my room I was like trapped and then even when the power came back on I I just, I, and it was out for two weeks. I just, I ended up having to pull myself out of school because I realized I needed to go see doctors and, and focus on that before I tried to continue a career in anything. And so I did that. When you said pull yourself out of school, you mean college? Yes. Okay. I pulled myself out of college to did that. When you said pull yourself out of school, you mean college? Yes. Okay.

I pulled myself out of college to do that. But at the same time, I was still doing YouTube because at the same time, it was just like, but this is still a cool way to connect. It's like I'm still out there without having to go out there. So that's what I was doing. doing and then when I started to get better when I started getting the medicines and starting feeling better I said to myself I'm not going back to school I'm gonna make YouTube my life so how bad did it get I mean was the windstorm the low point or did it get it was the eye it was the eye opener um it was just the eye opener that what I was doing was not was not I couldn't just get away with it anymore um like, like it. So you were hiding it

from others and yourself? Uh, a little bit from myself, pretty much from others, you know, like, um, like one of the, a big moment that I always, I'm always like, that was, I, I should have, I should have taken that as a bigger moment is I remember I was trying to make my bed, and I kept making my bed over and over and over again, and I kept throwing away my pillows, and I could only have one of things, and my life was getting not minimal, but just like, okay, what do you mean you had to throw away all your pillows?

And I was like, they all didn't look right. They all didn't look right. Like you throw them in the trash? Get rid of them, because they didn't set right on my all didn't look right. Like you throw them in the trash? Get rid of them because they didn't set right on my bed and I would go walk to the corner of the room and look at my bed again and go back and mess it up and fix it again and go back and mess it up. And I was just like, yeah, but you know what?

I figured it out. Just one pillow on the bed and everything's fine. You know what I mean? But then when the windstorm happened, I couldn't do, I couldn't like turn on my lights and i couldn't go do my normal setup that i would do every day to start my day that's when i was like and and my grandparents saw that it was like why why can't you just move why can't you just continue your day without doing these things that's when we all realized like oh okay he, he needs to do a bit more than just this.

Like it, it just became a real problem because it was just like, I just realized I was, I was trapped. Like I really was genuinely like very comfortable and fine being like, I'm never going to go outside again. And, and that's okay. And everyone's like, that's not okay. And I, and in my mind I was being like, I'm never going to go outside again. And that's okay.

And everyone's like, that's not okay. And in my mind, I was just like, why not? Why is that not okay? Did you make any videos at that time? Yes. See, and that's what I'm saying. I was making videos almost all the time during this period because I was inside. I was in my room kind of trapped anyways.

So it was just like I was playing with the internet, chatting with the internet, staying social. And could people, from my perspective, thinking about it, I don't think I could tell that about you. No. And there was no transparency about that in your life. No, no, no, no. Not really. really not not till i finally moved out of my grandparents house and i made a video called farewell room where i kind of opened up about how uh the revenue that i've been making was paying for these like ridiculously expensive pills that i had to start taking and i was just i actually

start crying in the video and i and i i was just like you are the reason that i am leaving my room youtube is the reason i'm leaving my room because it, it, it worked out to where I could pay for it. And, uh, yeah. So YouTube really helped me sit at this table right now. I mean, it just, it did, even though they had no idea that's what they were doing when they were watching my videos. I mean, I needed it. Yeah mean i needed it yeah i needed it and was that um i mean once you got proper medication and it sounds like consultation or counseling however you want to yeah it was like a two-year process of just like having to go through things and and just like trying things and it not working right upsetting my stomach for like two weeks and like it it was some serious medicine to the point where they were like you can't just take it you

have to ease yourself into it and i was like what that's terrifying so and so what was the specific diagnosis it it was just um it was like severe obsessive compulsive disorder and it wasn't they were like we're not writing down that you have gorophobia but it sure sounds like you have early symptoms what is that a fear of leaving your room oh um and it you know it wasn't anything germ-based or anything it was just i just i literally was just like I'm not going out there anymore. I don't need to. And in my mind, for a long time, it was totally fine. In my mind, to just say that was not a crazy thing to say.

It was just like, that's it. And I would drive people crazy. Looking back, I canceled on people so much. There were so many things that i would just wouldn't do because it was too far away that's why 789 the night before 789 i remember calling kevin being like i'm not going dude and he's like you're going and i was like i'm not going and he was like if you're not on that plane man when we land i'm gonna be so sad and i was just like i'm gonna go but i'm only gonna stay for like an hour. And then it ended up, like I was saying,

it just kind of like opened my eyes and I was just like, I am so glad I came to this. Well, you go back to the reception that you were having on YouTube, and what you did in 09 has kind of become a staple for what a lot of guys are doing now. There are guys who are just good looking guys who know how to connect with people as vloggers

and that's what they do, that's their career. You definitely, I don't know how conscious it was, I don't know if it's just because that's not you or was there a conscious decision to say, I'm not gonna take that path even though there might be more revenue, more subscribers, et cetera. I don't know, it was never a conscious decision.

It was just kind of, it was a gut feeling. It was just like, well, I know what my end game is. My end game is to be an artist. That's always been my, you know, my real end game. And at the same time, I've always wanted to keep pushing myself and see what I can get away with. And so eventually it was just like, I like vlogging,

but what else can I do? You know? And what else can I, you know, and then it started getting into more of the editing side of the whole thing where it was like, man, I really like just editing the footage and seeing what I can, how I can manipulate footage.

And then it started in the glitch work. And then it started into just like the whole realm of also, you know, okay, well, if I am going to make a video, why not have Kyle and do a sketch? Like do something like real and edit it and make it look nice. So, yeah, I mean, I just kind of never, I never, it was never like a this or that and I'm pick that. It was just kind of like the flow of me, I think, and just like where I was heading in my mind. And you tried a lot of different things. And so to bring back the Kyle thread,

he came in and you said, we're gonna, my channel's gonna feel different. It's gonna be more sketch oriented. Yes. That was for a period of time. Yes. And that was when I decided, after I dropped out of college and was for a period of time yes um and that was that was when i decided uh after the after i dropped out of college and was feeling a lot better i was like kyle you're we're

gonna get a place and he was in school too and i was like i'm gonna have you leave school i'm gonna have you leave school and i had to talk i had a conversation with his mom and i was like here's the thing he's my best friend he knows me i feel like we we could do this and i just give me a year just give me a year of his time and um and she was she was fine with it and he was cool with it and literally like two weeks later i bought an apartment and i was like let's do this every thursday and it became every thursday we put out something and that year we did and we did it for we did it for a while we did it for a long time and then yeah that was that was it that was like the norm just okay man just as long as we get something up on thursday let's just brainstorm brainstorm thursday brainstorm brainstorm thursday

and where did that at the end of that year where did that leave the you as an artist and your friendship? Because you parted ways, right? Well, we did it for like a good three years. Like we moved a few times together and then our last move, his girlfriend moved with us. Who is this sweetheart? She's great. And then right there at the end when my YouTube started going down

and things started getting tricky. Where it's just like, hey, man, I have no money. I have no money right now. I'm sorry. I can't pay us. And it got to the point where I was just like, you can go. This is my baby. I'm staying with this.

And so, I mean, we're still super good friends I still hang out with them all the time it was just like I I could see something happening and I was just like we had a lot of fun man get out of here you know and and just and he he got a place with her and he went back to school and that's what he's doing right now and i'm thrilled for him i think it i think it was an awesome moment in our friendship like it it's this time period where i'm just like man we were infinite we we were just like living this cool dream like i remember when i turned 21 he picked me up from the airport because i was shooting something in Los Angeles. And he was just like, dude, we're going to stop and you're going to buy us beer. You know what I mean?

And I was just like, yeah. And we took the beer back to our apartment and I was just like, this is so cool. Like we are just making videos, just all those things that teachers said that would send us to detention for, we're doing now on camera and making money and it's our careers and we're having so much fun and yeah it was just like this that was like the period that was the those that was like the the period of the sketches that's where it was constantly sketches and that's why sketches have kind of not died out on the level of I'll still do them. But now it's just back to just my mind being alone right now. And and with my YouTube channel, like being so terrible with views. It's just like now is my time where I'm just like, let's do all those weird art things that you were afraid to do when when the audience was real hard when they were really like demanding rushing in and demanding yeah so so now i'm just kind of having like this like free-for-all where i'm just

like i'm gonna upload a 10-hour video of gradients at what point what do you think led to you said things started to decline over the course of you know when it was sketch focused, was that a factor? At what point did the physical makeover happen? Which is, aka, you got a haircut. Yeah. Did that happen in that same time frame? Actually, it happened kind of in the middle of the sketch period. And it actually didn't play as big of a role as I thought. I was actually really happy.

But everybody makes a big hissy fit when anything changes on the internet. Especially such glorious locks like mine. So give us kind of that, the back story of the change. Because I'm thinking a lot went into that. And it meant a lot to you. It did mean a lot to me. I just wanted to like prove to myself that it wasn't just a f***ing haircut. Like it was just...

It meaning your success. Yeah, like I'm putting a lot of work into these things and if it's really just how I combed my bangs that day, then let's cut the bangs off and see what happens. So you describe it as a test. Yeah. If I'm not, if this is what it's... Really all about, then I'm not in.

Right. Because that didn't seem like a i mean who wants to live their life by a haircut i mean what if my hair were to fall out i have no choice over that so yeah it's just like that's ridiculous that's ridiculous and so yeah i just kind of started pushing my own limits and like i said when and then when kyle and me you know when i was like you go do it i'm gonna keep doing live lava live because I mean at the core of everything it's always been just me just mine inviting people in and out um uh yeah it it's just it is what it is now today how did you balance seeing the channel views

decline with um a desire to create certain things? I mean, there's a tension there. Do I regain what works best or do I do what I want to do? Was that at work? I think I'm still struggling with that. Because every once in a while, I think that's where I'm at right now. That's the big thing with me right now is I'm not sure what to do. I really love Live Lava Live.

I really do. But from a financial standpoint, it's just not enough now. It's just kind of a hobby now. And it kind of breaks my heart when I see people being like, why don't you post anymore? And I'm just like, I'm working. I'm trying to pay my rent. But you're moving to LA. I am. You've got a girlfriend. It seems serious because you're like putting her, she's on the channel. Yeah, I know. And that was

a big thing too. Yeah. How did those things fit into what you don't know you're doing? fit into what you don't know you're doing. Yeah, well, she was just kind of like an accident. I wasn't looking for a girlfriend. I was about to move to LA at the time, and then I met her, and I was like, I have to stay and get to know you. You're fantastic.

Where have you been hiding? How did you meet her? Megan. Megan. I met her on Facebook. I met her through Facebook. We had a bunch of mutual friends, and it was like, do you know Megan? And I was like, I don't know Megan. Megan. I met her on Facebook. I met her through Facebook. We had a bunch of mutual friends, and it was like, do you know Megan? And I was like, I don't know Megan.

Who is Megan? Click. And I met her for coffee, and we ended up talking for like seven hours. So you have mutual friends. Yeah. And you messaged her. We have mutual friends according to Facebook. I just added her in Messenger, and yeah, it was just like, hey, we have

mutual friends. Did she know your work? That was one thing that we did talk about. She was like, you make videos online, right? And I was like, I still do, I still do. And she's like, yeah, yeah. I remember back when I was in high school, some kids were watching them where you would wear V-necks and

Usher cologne and stuff. And I was like, yeah, it's different now, but I still still do that i actually just shot something earlier that day and i told her about it and she was like so that's cool that you still do it and i was like you should watch a few before we date again because you might not want to date me um because i was like it's definitely still happening like I didn't want her to like not know that it was like my main deal. But yeah, she's totally cool with it. Going back two years, you had in mind to move to LA.

Yeah. Have the reasons changed? Are they the same? How related to wanting to make a go at it again or redefining yourself through YouTube is the move or is it just like there's just more opportunities for what you're passionate about as an artist? I think it's a little bit of both. I think this time around I have like I'm already like I'm coming out here with work you know I'm really I want to come out here because it is out here

there's more hands out here that get it and I mean there are people like you right now out here and I I want to be closer to all that creativity because I think maybe it'll it'll one it will help me rekindle that love for for live love live in that like motivation because when I'm in Ohio sometimes it's easy to not do it when no one else does YouTube at all through the years that the brand has changed and it still will and it's still it's still going to I mean for all I know when I move out here it might completely change again from shifting from art to something I might just film the ocean every day for a year and upload it to live love live it's not so I just i always at the end of the day

want to do live love a live but you but it you don't have a business strategy no to make it work or or a creative strategy that would make the business work yeah no i'm i'm in no yeah no i mean even at the end of the day i still want to upload something there even if no one's seeing it, even if it's not doing me any good. I just, I like Live, Love, Live. I mean, it is me. What do you want to make? One of the ideas is, well, I did just collide my art channel, MM, with Live, Love, Live, because I'm trying to make Live, Love, Live grow into, to actually fit what it is called, a channel. It is a place where multiple things are happening, playlists and taking advantage of the little types of series that I have, like Taste Some Jams, where I just review music.

But then I also want there to be like this whole other section of it where it is just where my art lives, my digital art, you know, in terms of those weird video ideas I have. I just want it to be a hub, a channel that's just like, you're seeing inside my mind for a little bit. And some of it's funny and some of it's not. Do you have any bigger ideas? Maybe that's one video, Maybe that's a series. Oh, do I have like right now? Yeah.

Not really. I mean, the biggest idea that I've had on Live, Love, Live recently was merging the channels and kind of picking my favorite art videos and re-uploading them to Live, Love, Live. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't have anything too crazy planned. I know that when I get out here, I'm definitely going to bring scheduling back just because I think that'll help. Like an external commitment to content.

Yes, yes. And I think I'm definitely going to start just putting my brainwaves back into that groove because for a long time, it hasn't been for a long time. It's just been, um, stressing about money and stressing about getting like other projects so that I can keep my cat fed.

Um, and you know, so at the, at the end of the day, it's just like, there's no, there's no time to do live, love,

live today because I've just worked all day to make sure that I can pay rent. So I'm really going to try to time management a lot better when I move out here and just try to figure out how I can make it. Well, it seems like your relationship with the fans of your channel and your fans, it's a two-way conversation and there has to be some sort of faithfulness on your part to be like, I want to kind of tell you what I'm giving you or I want wanna give it to you in a way that you can, there's some sort of predictability. Do you sense that the conversation, because you've tried so many things,

maybe some things haven't been responded to, that conversation is broken a little bit? Yeah, it's just, a lot of people still anticipate coming and seeing that fringed 16-year-old boy. And it's just, it's not that... You're 25 now. I'm 25. I grew up and I grew up online and I'm not a character

and they're not just going to recast me with some new 16-year-old boy. If there's one thing that I wish everybody could get, it's that. Well, where can we find the music? Because you mentioned that. Oh, SoundCloud. SoundCloud.com slash mightseehell.

Like possibly see hell? Mightseehell. Mitchell, M-I-T-C-H-E-L-L, M-I-T space C space H-E-L-L. Mightseehell is my name. Oh. Oh. Yeah, it's kind of like, I wanted-

That's complicated. Yeah, I wanted to have a name without having a name, so, and my, one of my good friends at the time came up with that, and I was just like, that's-

Genius. Beautiful. And I've always loved, you know, I'm a, with religion and all that kind of stuff, I'm just all about, like, space and believing in kind of stuff. I'm just all about like space and believing in ourselves and stuff. And I just, I like kind of poking at it a little bit.

And Might See Hell is just like the perfect poke, I think. And then your prints can be purchased through District Lines. Districtlines.com slash livelovelive slash art. And if we really want to get inside your brains, we've got to continue watching what you're going to be doing over the next few months at Live, Lava, Live on YouTube. Yeah, just me on the internet.

The ocean videos. The ocean videos possibly could happen. But yeah, no, I mean, really it's just anywhere I'm online, I think of websites as canvases. I like to see what I can get away with and use them in a different way. I mean, that's what I do with Twitter. I mean, most of my tweets are like, what is he talking about? But that's just how I like using the internet.

I think it's just one big beautiful canvas, and I'm going to keep spray painting it. Well, that's what we want, and we want more of it, and we want to see continued success as you use this canvas. And we would let you spray paint the table, but no one has done that, so we're just gonna let you Sharpie it. I just want some biscuits, guys.

And there you have it, our Ear Biscuit with Mitchell Davis. The friendship is solidified. The byproduct of Ear Biscuit. Do you feel like more of a friend to Mitchell now? Let him know on Twitter. Oh, you want me to let him know on Twitter or are you talking to the people? I'm talking to the people who are listening to me right now.

Because I could just tell him. His handle is m Mitchell Davis S. It's like Mitchell Davis flanked by the first letter and last letter of Mitchell Davis. Hmm. It's, you know, that's just how he rolls. Well, I gotta say. Added some consonants, book ending with consonants.

M Mitchell Davis S, tweet at him, hashtag your biscuits. One of the things I would say if I was tweeting it, M Mitchell Davis S, tweet at him, hashtag your biscuits. One of the things I would say if I was tweeting at M. Mitchell Davis S is thanks for the candor, thanks for the honesty, thanks for pulling back the curtain. He was so honest with us and he's been through a lot and he's got so much of a history. I love hearing the story

and I'm excited about where he's gonna go and he is also coming, as he said, to LA. He's making the big move out of Los Angeles, but the problem is is that he says that he wants to be next to the beach. Well, he said he, I think this was conversation off the record. This was afterward.

Okay, I get confused when we're recording when we're not. Right, at some point you just have to stop recording, but he did tell us, hey, I'm from Ohio. If I'm gonna move to LA, I wanna be near the beach. And I totally understand, totally understandable. But we're like, well, we're in the valley. I drive a minivan.

I live on a cul-de-sac. You do all those things. You will never see me in this town. Well, I think, you don't know this until you move out here. Yeah. Just how big Los Angeles is. And you think, oh, you live in LA, I live in LA. We're gonna be hanging out every day.

Even if you want to hang out with somebody, because Mitchell is the kind of guy that I wanna hang out with. Definitely. Once you separate yourself with a geographical barrier that is a large hill. Like a hill. Right, we call it a hill. It's large.

And it has like a couple of ways to get over that hill, but they all involve sitting in traffic for long periods of time. You might as well be on the other side of the country. I mean, it's apocalyptic. You know, here we are, I mean, we're falling right into it, aren't we? We are talking about it big time. We're not talking about how to get places. I mean, if we falling right into it, aren't we? We are, we are. We are talking about it big time.

We're not talking about how to get places. I mean, if we're talking about the weather or we're talking about directions, then we're being very LA. Let's not do that. But yeah, I mean, whenever more YouTube friends are either here or moving here, and I'm like, where are you moving to?

I've never heard anybody say, oh, the Valley. Right, well, I mean, people with children, maybe. I say, oh, the valley. Right. Well, I mean. Because I mean. People with children, maybe. I'm very happy in the valley. Yeah. But I do feel I can hear the apologetic tone come across my lips whenever I'm like, where I tell people I'm living.

Well, I usually say it. It's not sexy. As if to say, now I'm in the valley. You don't wanna be in the valley because you're young and single. And you know what I'm saying? It's 110 degrees today and my air conditioning is broken. Right, welcome to the valley.

The apocalypse has hit my house and I'm not even going home. You gonna leave your family there and let them suffer? They're just gonna leave. Well, as you contemplate that, I will say. I'm gonna line not even going home. You gonna leave your family there, let them suffer? They're just gonna leave. Well, as you contemplate that, I will say. I'm gonna line them up in the yard and I'm gonna turn on the garden hose. Okay, well, that's wasteful too, Link.

We're in a drought, you can't do that. You can't cool your family off with the water. I'll aim it at their mouths. Okay, as long as they drink every bit of it. Now, I will say to Mitchell, you are welcome to come to any sort of get-togethers we have in the Valley. It will be hot, it will be to Mitchell, you are welcome to come to any sort of get-togethers we have in the Valley. It will be hot. It will be a little less cool.

It'll actually be less cool and hotter, which I guess is the same thing, but in two different ways it will be less cool. Temperature and just the vibe. Again, you're falling into it again. But you are welcome. You're welcome to be a part of it. And you're welcome to hashtag Ear Biscuits.

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