Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - Link Burns a Bridge with Sesame Street | Ear Biscuits Ep. 482

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

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Boy are we happy that you're here We're gonna have some fun Listening to some calls from you And trying to sort it out I think there might be a It might be a really funny voicemail That we're going to hear today I'd like to believe that, Link

Wonderhole episode two You feeling good? Season 2 episode 2 is out That's the reason to feel good, because I think that, I mean, you're not supposed to have favorites. You're not supposed to have favorites, but I think this is my favorite episode. Well, you did write it. Well, I mean, we all contributed to, but this. We all kind of conceptualized all of them. This one is very personal.

Yeah, and it, I don't know, I think it explores, we've never comedically explored what we, comedically explored. We've seriously explored our spiritual stuff before. But a lot of times it gets too serious. I like the idea of it being a silly exploration of it. And we'd never figured out a way to do that. But we figured it out. I think we figured it out.

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I'm listening to a podcast from you guys right now, and you just skimmed over. Rhett was waiting for Link at a gay bar. He didn't show up because he got in a fight with some Muppets. I'm sorry. You got to wrap back around to that one and tell that story, please, and thank you. Great question. This is one of those stories that we never told. I think we've hinted at it.

And then somewhere, I thought we told, maybe we've just told it to people. Maybe it's never been. I don't think we've told the full story. Why didn't we tell the story? Because you don't want to offend Sesame Street You don't want to get pulled over on Sesame Street I didn't offend Sesame Street So let the record show

Well let me rephrase that You don't want to publicly offend Sesame Street And I don't think you're going to After privately offending Some residents of Sesame Street But okay, whatever I'll tell you know So I can give the context of the story and then you can begin telling it when it becomes what you are experiencing.

But this is when we were on tour for the Good Mythical Tour last year. We were in Atlanta. We had a break in the middle of our tour for like four days where me, along with the rest of the mythical crew, stayed in Atlanta. Link went back because Lando was graduating from eighth grade. College. Or whatever he graduated from. Eighth grade.

And you were coming back that night, and your flight was getting in, and we didn't know exactly when you were gonna be there, but we had made the decision to go seeing karaoke at a bar. Yes, a gay bar. And I don't, I've had a couple of experiences at gay bars, but what I learned is that gay bars are like the most accepting places in the world

and they welcome everyone. You don't have to be gay to go. And karaoke tends to be a place where you want to perform in an accepting, an inclusive environment. And so I think they go well together. But in flip-flops, with your toes up? It was hot in Atlanta.

It was hot in Atlanta, and I was like, you know what? I'm putting my flip-flops on with jeans, like I used to. Me and Bradley Cooper, apparently, it's a thing. And I am gonna go to this gay bar, and yes, I am going to perform Lady in Red, even though maybe no one there is interested in ladies. in red.

And I'm going to sing this song, and yes, did I kill it? Yes, I did. But we knew that we wanted you to join us when you were getting in. In fact, they went ahead and put a song in for you so you would be in the mix, and that song was,

Man, I Feel Like a Woman by Shania Twain. Everyone was so excited. Link is going to show up at this place. Link is going to show up. And he's going to sing, man, I feel like a woman at this gay bar, and it's going to be great. And that's when you texted me, or I texted you, and I was like, hey, we're waiting for you. And you were like, I'm all my way.

I'm all my way. We, yeah, we were in touch. I don't text on a plane. I don't fly private. Text on a plane. And even if you, you can text on a plane now depending. It's got Wi-Fi. It didn't depend on if they give you the Wi-Fi.

But I don't do that. So even if it wasn't available, when I landed in Atlanta, I got my bags and I was getting in the Uber and all that jazz and then taking the drive back to the hotel. All along the way, well, right when I landed, I was getting text that this is what we're doing. You're going to meet up with us. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'll meet up with you.

Sounds good. And then, like, I was getting updates from different people. We're leaving dinner wherever you were and now we're going to the bar. Well, you didn't go to this bar, now we're at this bar and we're doing karaoke. So I'm getting all this information and I'm getting antsy.

I'm like, man, FOMO out to Wazoo. Yeah, we had a great meal. I was really feeling. Was that when we went to the place of all the gun show? Like I was missing out. Yeah, yeah. And then we saw Emily show that night too. Oh, we saw Emily do stand-up comedy?

Yes. It was so fun. And I was hearing about all of this, either catching up or then kind of in real time, it's like, now meet us here. Well, now I was like, well, I just landed. I got to go to the, I got to go back to the hotel first, and I'm going to get a change of clothes, and they're like, well, now meet his hill, now he's here.

And I'm like, damn, I'm missing everything. And so I'm antsy, and I'm getting up to the room, and I'm walking down. the hallway with my bag and stuff and I'm gonna go and I'm like well I feel like I need to shower you know and I'm thinking all this stuff and then I hear laughter and commotion out of a coming from the hallway coming from a room and as I pass my room's like two doors down to the left you didn't even shower yet you were thinking about showering I was thinking I was thinking all this.

You're thinking too much. And I heard you laughing. And I'm like, I stopped. I literally stopped cold in the hallway, just like. And I just immediately was mad. I was like, this, you know, water, has been lying to me. They're in there. yucking it up, having a good old time.

And they're trying to send me on a wild goose chase out to some gay bar. Oh, we'll send him to a gay bar and he'll show up. And he'll be, we won't be there. And so I go up to the door and I knock, not softly. And then I'm like, okay, don't be mad. Just play it cool. It's a, you know, be a good sport. So then I'm like, housekeeping!

Yeah, there you go, good sport. And then all of, and of course it's night. Housekeepers don't, you know, it's like, y'all know it's me at this point. It was probably 11 p.m. just to give you a context of what time it was. Yeah, that ain't early. For a housekeeper to start knocking, that ain't early.

And when I knocked on the door, it opened a little bit. And the laughter and the commotion just went, whey, totally quiet. I mean, you could hear a hotel shampoo bottle drop. So I knock on the door again. Dup-da-dop, dump, dump, even though there's a crack in it now. And I'm like, double-down housekeeping. And then there's like some sort of like

Negotiant type Like whispering happening And I'm like thinking Yeah, y'all failed I figured it out And I'm like And so then I'm feeling good about myself And I'm grinning from ear to ear

And the door opens And there's a woman Like seven inches from my face just standing there and I have never met her before and I'm like well how does Rhett know her who is this?

You still not questioning yourself still not questioning yourself and she looks at me with this shock on her face she's like at first it was like this is not a housekeeper and this is, and who is this guy?

And then it was the second level of shock, and she's like, Link? She recognized me, and I'm like, and then I look over her shoulder and I see people in there, quiet people now, and I'm like, is red in there? She's like, no.

And then she's like, guys, It's linked from rhythm corner. They're like, what, it's that, wait, it's it. And then I hear it saying like, it's the internet. I'm a big fan. Well, it's a show. You know what? No one knows she's having to explain it.

And I'm like, oh man, I was, it seems as if I was a bit wrong. And then she comes back, she turns back around, and she's like, come in. And I'm like, okay. And I'm like, well, I was like, what's y'all doing in here? And I saw that there was some drinks. They had drinks. Did you, is there, did you explain your side of the story to them? I said, she said, come in and I said, well, let me go put my bag down.

So I go into my room, I put my bag down. And then I come back. And I'm like, okay, this is a party. She knows me. Meanwhile, multiple texts are coming from your friends. Well, your work friends. Well, I kind of felt like y'all were lying to me, so I wasn't really... And you weren't, but I...

You still... Like, I know how... I know that I have pranks you on the show, but I don't... Hold on, listen, man. Prank people just for the hell of it. Well, do you not... I'll prank you to see it happen on camera. I didn't... I knew that you hadn't pranked me, but I still felt like you had.

You know how when you're dreaming, and then you wake up from the dream, and you're like, it's just a dream, and then you go about your morning, and you have this, you feel the experience of the dream or nightmare. So you were mad at us because you thought that we were pranking you. Yeah, I still had the emotion within me of frustration, so I was in no hurry to get to your thing that I didn't think you were at. And I'm like, here's an adventure, I'm going in here, and I've got a friendly face. Yeah, that's all it takes. So I go in and it's three other guys and there was a bigger guy whose laugh sounded like yours. Okay.

It wasn't me. And they give me a beverage and I find out that I find out that that this is not really a, well, they're sitting around and they're like, what are you, what are you, what are y'all doing? And they're like, well, we had our first show today and they pointed to the big man and said, he's giving us feedback on our show. We are the live, we're the stage show for Sesame Street. And he has come down here to, as a consultant, to give us feedback on our character. of the characters that everybody knows and loves, you know, Grover, Elmo. So this is like Sesame Street on stage that you can go and see. Yeah.

And it turns out Big Man was Elmo's dad? And I was like, oh, I didn't know Elmo had a dad. And I think that might have deflated him a little bit. Yeah, because that's what he does. Yeah. Yeah, I've never heard of your character, I've ever seen it. And then he really hasn't registered with me. And then he's like, we were, I was like, he was like, well, they did a great job.

But we were just, we were just having a discussion about children's entertainment and puppetry and how that has an impact on each of our lives. And I'm like, what? Is this like a support group? Oh, boy. So I'm like, so I'm sitting down having my beverage. And they're like, who they are dealing with. They're like, so what about you?

And I'm like, well, I'm more of a Mr. Rogers man. I don't, you know, and he did have puppets, but they were kind of, I don't know if the hands went up to ass of those puppets. And so it's like, I'm just kind of, I'm just kind of freewheeling it. Yeah, it sounds that way. And, um, uh, the best, The way that I can describe it is, over the course of my interaction with them, uh, my relationship with the big man was deteriorating.

Deuteriorating. Yeah, I don't think it ever was very robust. Because, I mean, I was trying to engage with them about the different characters. And so I'm asking what to me are like genuinely curious questions. I'm like, they're trying to plumb the depths of. Children's Entertainment. I can do that. So I'm like, when two puppets have sex,

is that why there's different color puppets, Muppets on Sesame Street? Because of the interbreeding of the characters. And, I mean, I just, you know, it's like, it's an honest question. And since I have audience with, like, he's flown in here to like, he knows his stuff and he knows what.

What's canon and what isn't. I'm like, well, Howard a Muppets made, and there's a, they're colorful, you know. And I wasn't trying, I was like, I'm, I don't think I was trying to play the race card. I was trying to just play the sexy card, you know, and sex card. Okay. I was, yes, I guess I was trying to get sexy with Sesame Street. But we had, I think we had already had our interaction with Cookie Monster on the show. show, which I did tell them.

And what we discovered with the people with their hands all up in his ass is that they are super cool people who were, they had an edge. Don't you remember? The Cookie Monster people, the professional puppeteers, they had an edge. Well, and their comedy and their sense of humor, in interpersonal interactions with us on set was edgy. And I remember noting that. So I think...

Yeah, well, because they were talking to adults. They weren't talking to children when they were interacting with us. Exactly. So I think that's what was in the back of my mind. So when I was talking to them, I accessed that. And so at first I was like, y'all come with me to karaoke. And then by the end, it was like,

I'll get out of your hair. You know, that's how the energy shifted over the course of 45 minutes of me hanging out with them. And by the way, that 45 minutes was the window of time in which we had all decided to leave and co-home. Yeah, because I'm like, all right, guys, I'm coming right now. And they're like, don't come, we're leaving. I'm like, what?

You had even left the... You had just gotten into the Uber, but back up for a second. So, how do you feel? about this now? Well, I'll just caution anyone who pre-games on a plane. You know, I'm not blaming it on that, but I was a little loose. Okay. Around the edges. Okay. Okay. All right. That helps explain some things. But do you think, like, do you think that we have, I mean, are we ever going to work with Sesame Street again? Because let me just say, the other thing that you did

was when we had the opportunity to work with Elmo one time and he didn't show up because he had something else going on you really you really pitched to fit about that and then we went and made a video at Southby where the only thing we talked about

was how upset you were at Elmo and I recently saw a clip of that come out somewhere but I don't think it was completely unrelated to the 90% of the content which was you being upset with Elmo, they didn't put any of that out. They just put another question that we answered

from that interview time. So I just feel like you've burned our Sesame Street Bridge. How on earth are we going to get there? We're going to arrive at Sesame Street wet and cold because we have forded the river. Yeah, I think I... Is that how you get to Sesame Street?

Can you tell me? I don't know how you get there. But we can sing a song about it. Yeah, I think maybe I have, Rhett. I think I've burned our bridge. Especially now that you got me to talk about it. I'm just, they were taking their craft very serious. I just felt like it was a bit self-serious.

But it wasn't any of my business, and I intruded. I literally intruded and then commented. Hold on, self-serious. They literally had just done. the first night of their show and the guy who is like in charge of giving them pointers is like in their hotel room together

like that's like us doing our show and then getting together to talk about it and then somebody shows up and we're talking about what we just did and then calling that self-serious. I think it's just that was the

I'm okay. That was the focus of the night for them. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. And you know what? Elmo's dad, I'm sorry.

It was cool to meet you. And I misinterpreted the vibes. And I injected a different vibe. And you shouldn't have had to try to match that. Which I think you knew. And I eventually found, I could pick up on the fact you that. It's not like he kicked me in the butt and said, get out of here.

But we may have lost a fan. I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah, the woman who is... I don't know. I wrote down... The question around the woman who recognized you and then invited you into the group,

like, I feel like... It's her fault. No, she's the one that you should be apologizing to. Because now she will forever be known in that group as the person who invited you in and is also a fan of you. And now they, and then, and all they know about you is what happened in that hotel room that night.

Does she even still work there? Right. Yeah, yeah. Like, we don't know. We don't know. Yep. Well, there's your answer. There's your answer. Yo, Rhett and Link, this is Colton, and I am blind.

I've been watching you for years, and I don't actually know what you guys look like, but I have an idea. Link, you just look like the most dad-bawed guy on the planet with, like, your jeans, your flannel T-shirt, your super bulky, nerdy, square eyeglasses. But then for some reason, I feel like you have your hair super slick back, because you think it makes you look cool. Then, Rhett, you're just like a slightly less hairy Chewbacca. Sorry, I don't mean to laugh that hard. Slightly less hairy Chewbacca.

Okay, so you're right about me. We nailed that, man. I'm a what? First of all, dad bod. Well, kind of. Not in the classic dad bod. You don't have a dad bod. Okay.

I feel like you could ask. I feel like you could, and again, this is interesting. Because you could probably just type in Google, like, what does Link Neal look like? Let's do that. Or just do the, if you want to do the AI version of that. But let me step through what he said. He said my pants were what? Jeans.

My jeans were big? Just said, like, dad bodied in your jeans. And my jeans with a flannel shirt. A flannel shirt. And then boxy glasses. Boxy glasses. my hair slick back. Yes.

Boxing glasses and my hair slick back. Maybe this is the next version of me. I don't know. What do why you would think that, all of that? Context clues. I mean, because he figured out that Red looked like a Chewbacca. I mean, maybe there's context clues.

We do talk about our hair, but we haven't described ourselves. Yeah, I feel like with the slicked back hair It's interesting because you guys talk about how your hair goes up Slicked back Yeah, you would think Infer's downish But maybe like he's thinking like Italian slicked back Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this way

Yes It doesn't describe And it just gives height and stuff like that It doesn't give like an interesting The hair goes like this and all that Well, you know what? Stick with that for Rett. For me, I would like for you to start picturing me

as more of a... You know what? I'm good with it, too. Oh, you don't want to change it? I'm good with it. Because, you know, you picture somebody when you hear a voice and you've never seen them. Right. Or if you're, like, reading a book with characters and then you see the movie

and you're like, oh, that's who they cast. To do that? Huh. Right. Of course, I don't read enough books to get disappointed and stuff like that. Slick-backed hair. That's a choice. I didn't know that Timothy Shalamey was like who I pictured for, you know,

Gigi's al-a-mein or whatever's name is. I can't say that, you know, from Dune. But I'm okay with it. Yeah, I think it was less, this is what. They pictured him more, like, can we get Timothy Chalamee to play this role? Yeah. Should we tell him how we picture him looking because we haven't seen him either? I picture you.

Okay, yeah. Blind fan whose name is. Colton. Colton. Colton. I picture you as you're wearing a cream color tank top. jorts right at the knee socks half calf um some sort of sandal you got one of them dope-ass blind man sticks in your hand and uh sunglasses that are uh mirrored um mirrored aviator

Fedora? Of course not. Yeah, that would kind of throw that look off if you had a fedora. I think... I think Beanie. I am picturing a guy... I think green beanie.

In a trench coat based on the way that... The way that he was kind of down in. He was like, come into this alley and let me tell you what I think you look like. I'm doing it dirty, man. I'm just saying. He has a gravelly voice.

It's a gravelly voice, you know. Like, I think... Yeah. So I was picturing a fedora, a trench coat, and a fedora. I was picturing Carmen Zendiga, the male version of Carmen San Diego. Well, you're talking about blind inspector gadget? Maybe a little inspector gadget. There you go.

Thanks for your question, your comment, Colton. If you were blind and you've been picturing us, call us, please. I want to hear more of this, and I want to know if it's consistent. Like, we need to get some more data points. to get some more data points here from our blind listeners. 1-888-EARPA-1. Thank you for sharing that. Hey, what's up, Rhett, Link, Jenna, Crew.

This is a match from Houston, Texas. I'm listening to y'all's two-birthday-party Ear Biscuit, and I was just thinking about all the times y'all bring up friend groups, you think of Mike. In y'all's opinion, what makes a good friend group? What are the do's? What are the don'ts? What type of personalities do you want? What type of egos? I hear about Mike. I always think, is that science, Mike? Any clarity on that would be much appreciated. Thanks, y'all. You're trying to get personal info about our friend group.

But we've made, I, but no, we're not hiding that. We've made it clear. Yeah. The Mike is science Mike. Yeah. Who it doesn't really, you know, just, he's Mike McCar. That's who he is. I mean, he was science Mike. He's not really doing. science mic thing anymore. Yeah. He's thriving behind the scenes. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, okay, so this is a good question because I do think that you don't want

too much uniformity in a friend group. Yeah. If you want to, if you want it to be interesting. Now, if you want it to be a long-term thing, I think you're basically talking. talking about a pretty low drama group of people where no one is too mean or too sensitive. Or too controlling. Yeah, right, yeah.

But they can make it interesting, but probably not a long-term thing. So if you're looking for a good solid friend group. You want a group that can get together in their pajamas. You want a group that you can get together, spur at a moment, and no one needs to change whatever they were, whatever they looked like. It's like, hey, can we, y'all, y'all want to come over? And then you just come over. It's like, you don't have to change anything unless you're naked. Because you do need one person in your friend group to constantly insist that it's not going to become a naked party. And we do have that. We do have that. We do.

You have one person in our group who is afraid that somehow that's going to happen. I'm not going to name any names. It ain't going to happen. No. But we don't want a naked party. It's like, no. So as long as you're wearing clothes. It does happen in this town, though.

It happens in this town. Right. But it's not going to happen on our watch. No. I mean, this friend group is a couple's friend group. So you've got, you know, you got that variety. I think that it's really I mean diversity I work we love diversity across the board I would I say that's really good for a friend group I think a group gender orientation

and which it doesn't become crunchy or smooth peanut butter okay we hear you get it uh I think what you don't want okay so my experience being from the South and also being from the church is that there tends to be it's men and women it's like every group just ends up becoming like the guys are going to go talk to each other and the women and it's just like and there's a lot of things about the way that the kinds of churches that we come from and we came out through that everything was geared to make sure that there's things for women and there's things for men including men the leadership roles Not something that we are proud to have been a part of.

But I think that one of the cool things about our current friend group is that the conversational lines are not split. They're not gender split in the way that those old groups were where it would be like, because again, in those like, in the church situation, it was like, if somebody was having a one, one-on-one conversation with someone, like a guy from one couple was having a conversation with another woman, it would be like, what's going on there? Everything was so hyper, everything became so scandalized

in a way that it never should have been because of this weird view of things. I don't know. But I enjoy that about our group because I'll just be catching up with somebody in the group and it's not just, oh, just another one of the husbands or we are all of a sudden we're in different groups and we've divided up and we're having conversations that this conversation is for men,

this conversation is for women. So I think that that is a, that's a plus. Because what happens when you've got those like bifurcated groups is that you better make sure that all the guys get along and all the girls also get along and they're all good friends and they're all good friends, and now you've got two dynamics happening at the same time versus like a bigger group dynamic. Yeah.

Where it's not just about how well these... Because the other thing that happens, it's like sometimes all the husbands are really good friends and the wives tolerate each other or vice versa. Yeah. That's what ends up happening in those really gender-specific groups. I mean, it just happens practically anyway a lot of times. I don't think it's necessarily a church thing.

So I'm grateful for the friend group we have. I mean, there's like, you know, you've got the three of us couples. And then you start to, there's more people added depending on the, you know, the event or like the invite list can can swell a little bit. So there's like, I think that's nice. Jenna, do you have a friend group or do you just have friends? I'd say mostly just friends, yeah. It's not so much a group. I have like groups of, like I have separate like group thread conversations.

But I'd say it would be a multiple friend group situation. And do you get together with that like that text group? Do you make plans to get together? Yeah. So then that's, and we're talking like four people or more. Yes. Okay, so you do that. What's necessary for you?

In my friend group? Yeah, what makes a good friend group? I said pajamas. Mine are kind of split up in interests and things we like doing together. So I have a friend group that's we all met. at Universal, and we've just become the universal friend group, but, like, I see them as a group, not just a universal. Like, I've been invited to both,

to two separate weddings from that group. And another friend group is, like, from back when I was in acting class, and that's, like, a group of four other girls, and we check in and get together a few times a year for, like, brunch and catch up on our lives. So, yeah, I think it's just fun chit-chat. I think there's a couple of practical things somebody who can make drinks um right somebody who multiple people who can cook or know how to put together a good charcutory we we got

a charcutory out the wazoo in our group out to cooter but and um we will have a sharkutery that is just over the top, incredible. Now, it might have chicken nuggets in the middle of it, but it's got a lot of stuff on it. Somebody who can, somebody who, you don't necessarily have to have a DJ. We have a DJ in our group. His name is DJ Elkhouns Nuggle Baby.

That's right. But somebody who's good at selecting music for a party, I think, you know, you have to have somebody to do that, I think. And I, I mean, in my estimation, you have to have people who are, if they're not doing interesting things, they are thinking about interesting things because that's what I like to do is I like to talk about interesting things. And so, and I don't mean like just talking about, because a lot of times they're just talking about people, like, talk about other people. Talking about other people, it's just like, it's just like, talking about other people. it's just like it gets old and then talking about the exact same things that everybody else is talking about like complaining about what's going on politically or whatever it's like you need your friends to to be able to commiserate you know about those kinds of things but I think we have enough people who are like I'm doing this interesting thing and now I'm giving you this update on it and it's like well okay tell me more about that or I just finished this book let me tell you about that I think that that's a big part of it but maybe generally conversationalist yeah they're conversational i'll add something they they want to they want to talk i think you need a planner

you need somebody who's going to rally everybody to get together you know i think about our college buddies group and harm is like hey we got to get on to this we got to we got to get on this planning. We got to book this. We got to get these reservations. You know, it's like let's let's put pen to paper. Let's put plans to spreadsheets or whatever, that type of stuff. It's like the organizer. Yep. I think is very important. Maybe somebody with first aid knowledge if something goes wrong. Somebody who knows CPR. Yep. Somebody who's got one of those things that can suck something in your throat right out of it. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Not suck pus. Someone who knows the hym-like. Somebody who can suck pus. All right. You don't need someone in your group who is obsessed with popping zits on other people's bodies. No. That's not what I was going for.

I don't know. Maybe I'm married to one of those people, but that's not a requirement for a friend group. I'm just going to go ahead and tell you that. I think it's good to have a top. I'm a tall guy. You know, it's nice to have you up there. Mm-hmm.

And also... It's cool to have a car person. And you kind of know... Hey, can I ride around in your car? Multiple cars would be nice. One of the things that... Oh, I got one. I'm sorry.

I can't... I just can't... All right. It's good to have a person with a vacation home. Right. Okay. Yeah? Hey, I got a nice vacation home, and if you bother me enough about it, I will be guilted into inviting you at least once a year.

That's a hard thing to come. We don't have that. That's a hard thing to come by. I mean, I got a friend with a cabin. Have I stayed in it? No. Well, it's on the other side of the country. It's on the other side of the country.

Well, what I was going to say was not vacation home that feels like a bit of a steep requirement. But multiple, like you can go to multiple people's places in your group and you kind of know the type of thing that's going to happen there, right? So for instance, me and Jesse, like the thing that you're going to get at our house is, first of all, you're going to get a lot of food. You're going to get too much food. You're going to go home with food because there's something wrong with us where, like, I don't know. Like, if we don't have twice as much food as people are going to eat, then we feel like we failed. She's the doggy bag house. The doggy bag, like, we will make so much damn food.

And it's, I don't know why we keep overestimating. but we will give you a lot to eat but we will also probably have an activity a lot of times a party game like we tend to be the game I don't think we play games at anybody else's house

like Justin and I are the game house right so which also I like as well but you don't want to do that every time because some people don't like games some people are like I don't want to I don't want to be put on the spot. I don't want to, I'm not competitive or whatever.

But I think most of our, pretty much everybody in our group is happy to participate because it's a really easy, it's an easy group. No one's, no-judgment zone. Right. You're going to step through the rest of the people in the group? Well, I think you want some, like, it'd be nice, it's nice if somebody's got like a good place to watch a movie.

I think that kind of applies to multiple people. Yeah. Yeah, you need to. good viewing experience somebody's got to have a big TV somebody's got to have a big TV yeah

you know and I'm I I'll make more of the party the party destination right um I'm trying to think of any other friend groups because if you think if you start taking those things away like

again back to the to answer the question this is the service that we're trying to do like if nobody in your group's got any idea how to put food out for people. Like, if it's just like, ah, right. If everybody's drawn a blank, yeah, somebody's gotta figure the food out,

somebody's gotta figure the music out, and somebody's gotta figure out the entertainment. And you gotta, and like, they gotta be in to figure in that stuff out. I think, I think, and then you gotta plan to get together. I'm gonna add lighting to that. Lighting is important.

You gotta understand, someone needs to understand lighting. Yeah, it tends to be too bright in a lot of places. Yeah. Yeah, you wanna hang out and you want it to be, you don't want the big light on. This is a general thing. I think everybody's house,

don't be mixing the temperatures of different bulbs. Listen, we've been down this path, everybody's fixed it for us. You think so? Yes. I don't know, man. I go to a lot of people's houses. Don't get on your soapbox, but I, I've got this one for you.

You've got daylight bulbs up on the ceiling and they got warm lights else, go all warm, go all warm, Go all warm and every light fixture in your entire house. Even the bathroom. You want daylight? Go outside. During the day. Yeah.

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Next one. Hi, Rhett Lincoln Mythical Crew. My name's Chrissy MacDonald. And I hear you have something going on about guessing where somebody's accent is from. So I'd like to give you a couple minutes and see if you can guess where mine is from. Oh. Well, that wasn't a couple of minutes. So she needs to keep talking.

Can you do it again? Can you play it again? I'd like Hi, Rhett Lincoln Mythical Crew My name's Chrissy MacDonald And I hear you have something going on About guessing where somebody's accent is from

So I'd like to give you a couple minutes And see if you can guess where mine is from Okay So she's got to be Canada So that's too easy What is the Canada that is right above Minnesota? So like if you're in Minnesota

Minnesota and you cross the border, what province are you in? Can somebody look that up on a map for me? Montreal? No, that's further north, I think. Montreal's a city. Right above. It's in Quebec. It's like Minnesota is right in between Manitoba and Ontario.

She's from Manitoba. She's from Manitoba. What's the city in Manitoba that I would know about? Do you think she could just be... Winnipeg? She's from Winnipeg. Manitoba, Canada That's not too far from the border

I don't think either That's my guess I was gonna guess North Dakota Which is right on that area So I feel like she might be American Yeah, well she said a boat Yeah really quickly But I guess it can bleed over

Does it bleed over? I guess it bleats over I guess it bleats over because it could be I was gonna say Minnesota's what But it wasn't strong Minnesota She better not say Alabama Okay let's find out Manitoba

I'm actually from Prince Edward Island Canada Hope you have a good day Bye for now So where is that Is that East Coast Prince Edward Island I believe so

Is that like Yeah you got that a bit Oh yes that is Right above Nova Scotia Yeah Well that's north So she's northeast Yeah, she's closest to Maine

So that is Nova Scotia Yes Man We weren't too far off though I mean but well We were The provinces are so big though We were pretty

That's like saying Somebody's from No it's not There's fit It's not like saying like Well she's from Wisconsin And Maine is the same It's different

Once you go Once you cross that border Everything gets bigger if the people got what if the people got as big as their provinces to our states those will be some giant Canadians yeah I don't think that's how it works at Canada actually

I think we might be the opposite that'd be wild dude giant nice people I like to ring it at but we got the right country we got the right country I would say I think she would appreciate the distance it's not too far off I would say

yeah okay well I bet you she ain't complaining about it You know, it's just not in the blood. She lives on island. That sounds cool. Yeah, until you need to get something that's not on the island. Yeah. I think it's a pretty big island. Never been.

Well, okay. Maybe she has a vacation home. But you need a friend with a vacation home. Yeah. I bet she doesn't have the new Nintendo Switch. Oh. Yeah. Have they made it to Prince Edward Island? Oh, it's a big island.

It's so big. I take it back. It's like a state-sized. It's like a state-sized island. They've tossed them over to your island. All right. Let's hear another. They're written link.

Big fan. Your podcast has helped me a lot and help me think more deeply about the world, so thank you guys for that. I got a kind of philosophical question that I've been wrestling with, and I'd love to hear your guys' take. When it comes to someone's actions, what do you guys think is more important? Intent or impact?

Like if someone means well but causes harm or means harm but ends up doing good and somehow, how do you weigh those things? And I know there's like a lot of nuance there and to that question. I just was wondering what you guys personally think. I know it plays into German versus Western philosophy and a lot of different other things,

but just kind of wanted to hear your guys' thoughts on that. and so thank you well thanks for tipping me off to the german versus western philosophy i mean it's like i can't say that i was thinking that until you brought it up but now uh yeah i definitely think um you know there's merits to both ways of thinking about this uh in german or as as a cowboy and uh that's right so uh i'm really going to state that i'm on the record That's funny. Intent versus impact. The thing that resonates with me is, I mean, first of all, like, bless your heart.

It's like what's in there does matter, you know? Your intent, both matter. But I think I relate to somebody who is well-intentioned. Yeah, when you went into that hotel room, you were so well-intentioned. Yeah, I was like, I'm going to see my friends. You were mad at us. You were mad. You were mad at us.

You were going in with a catch-ya. I was well-intentioned to bust y'all. And I took that energy into complete stranger's quorum, and I busted it open in there. So that's not a good example. But there are lots of times when some things might go sideways, but I didn't mean well. He means well. He means well. I hear people saying that.

sometimes when I'm done with something. And so I'm sympathetic. To me, it really what it, the reason that it's so complex is because the intent is a reflection on the intender, right, the person who caused whatever harm. And the impact is a measure of how that action affected the person who was harmed. And so that's why we have manslaughter charges, for example. So it's like, okay, well, I didn't mean... Yeah, that's a good point.

I didn't mean to... Kill you. You know, run you over when you were in my driveway or whatever happens. But you're dead now, and the loss to that family is the exact same, the damage, or if I accidentally break your arm on purpose or accidentally break your arm, your experience is exactly the same, right? And so the way we recognize that in the law is usually there is recompense, you know, you want this person to be paid back and to be, you want there to be restitution for what happened to them. But the punishment for that is different if you meant to do it.

So I think that the law reflects the complexity here. but this is probably more a question around I don't know I think that we you know we come from a slightly different we're older than most of the people who who listen we have a lot of people RH as well but like there is a generational thing here where I think we come from a generation where we like to say well he meant well like he didn't mean to say like he came into this situation he came into this conversation and he said this word And this word is a no-no word that you don't say, whatever that word might be. But he didn't know. He didn't know because he's ignorant. He hasn't been educated or whatever. And then people are like, well, it had the same impact

as if he did mean it. And I think that both of those things are real, but I think an older generation likes to talk a little bit more about intent. And my observation is that younger generation tends to be more interested in impact almost to the degree where intention doesn't matter and what will end up happening is somebody who accidentally says something out of ignorance and someone who says something motivated by hate, those people are put into the exact same box. And there's a very broad brush that they are painted with.

And I think that, my opinion is that that does a real disservice to actually, just what humans work and the fact that what do you actually want, you want people to change, so you want somebody who says something inappropriate or based in lack of understanding or ignorance, you want them to be, you want them to understand what they said that was wrong so they can actually change if they do intend to change and they don't mean to hurt people. but if it's just simply like well you said that I'm writing you off you're just like the person who says this all the time I don't think that's a way effective way to bring about change I think that's the way this conversation happens a lot of times just practically

like in our world you know what I'm saying absolutely so this gray area you know there's not going to be one answer or another we know that you know i don't know what the you know if there's two schools of thought it just doesn't seem like that's where you should land somewhere in the middle or some depending on the

severity of the of the result it's like if somebody kills somebody completely accidentally it's not just a civil payment sometimes they have to go to prison right yeah yeah because if and i guess i'm i'm really just guess in here, having not thought about this and I'm not a lawyer, but in terms of like setting up a society where there's an, you need to have awareness of things so you just can't, well, one, just be rich enough to pay off for the mistakes you make and then you have no accountability. Like, you have to take responsibility for the mistakes that you make and hopefully in a way that you learn for it from it and change.

And I guess if you're sending somebody to prison, you're not sending them there forever, you know, you're sending there for a less amount that tells society that, like, hey, you just can't throw money at accident and killing somebody. Right. You got to start taking a higher awareness as a society that, how an action might kill somebody. Now, if it's a complete freak accident, I'm hoping that you're not going to prison for that, you know. I think it's usually, is there a carelessness involved? Yeah. Carelessness, then gross negligence. So there's been, I do think it's a helpful analogy that these, you know, in terms of our laws,

it's been, I'm not saying it's airtight, but it indicates for people who've thought about this a lot more, the practical impacts of it in order to create a place where we can all live and work together and not just willy-nilly accidentally kill each other, you know, then you, to a certain degree, the result matters more than the intent. If it was just, well, he didn't mean to do it, and nobody ever went to prison, then I think that things start to break down societally, it's what I'm arriving at. So I think I'm now leaning a little bit, and I'm only thinking about killing somebody by accident, but I'm leaning a little bit more towards the results, actually.

The impact over the intent. Well, I think it's, you look at the impact first and how severe is that impact. Did they lose their life? Did they lose their hat? Okay, now let's move on to, did they intend to kill them, or do they intend to just polish their hat? I don't know. You know, so that's where I'm at.

I'm on a 65% bias to impact. Yeah, I don't know which one matters more, but I think that the, I think your personality can tend to identify with one side or the other, and it's probably better to challenge yourself to look at the opposite side of what your natural tendency is. But what do you think about this idea of looking at impact first? If you are making a judgment, he's asking us to make a judgment. Well, I think that's clearly how it's done because if it's like, in one situation,

the result was someone died. And there were two scenarios there. One was intentional and one was unintentional. And then the other scenario was someone had their glasses broken. Well, clearly, the impact, even if I really, really, really wanted to break your glasses and then I did it. Or I didn't mean to kill you, but I did.

Which one of those things, the impact... What if I did mean to kill you, but I only broke your glasses? Well, then the intent matters more than the impact, and you should be punished according to your intent. the degree of what you were intending to do or the degree of what the impact was. So to me, it's, again, it's on both sides. This is probably where if we actually understood

what he was talking about with German and Western philosophy, it would be like we're like dancing around things, obviously things that people have talked about and figured out more than we have, just thinking about it for the first time. But it's healthy to redirect. But I think that it is rooted in the, like the amplitude, the severity of the intent

and the severity of the impact. but that's related to what you were intending to do as it would result in an impact like if I was if I wanted attempted murder but all I did was break your glasses well the charge for attempted murder is significantly higher than the charge for involuntary manslaughter I work glasses breaking yeah yeah leave it to the lawyers it's not good about it It says here that German philosophy is typically distinguished by its tradition, like emphasis on idealism and subjectivity and historical analysis, where Western is more logic, pragmatism, practical. So German is more gray. Yeah, German is more gray and Western is a bit more black and white. Hmm.

I do think that's the way that we started approaching it. It's like, okay, well, this happens. This is the impact. Um, and then there are some crimes where, like, if you, if you drive drunk and you kill somebody, especially if you've gotten pulled over for a DUI, you've been arrested for DUI before, like, there's a certain number of times that if you've, okay, this is up to a judge, but like, they'll, it'll be first degree murder sometimes. People, people will go away forever killing somebody

driving drunk if they've had a propensity to do that because then it's like okay what's the difference between that and premeditated murder you kind of knew what you were doing right okay as we close things up

favorite thing about your favorite episode of Wonderhole the one star like what sticks with you one star hotel the funniest part of the when we watched when we screened it back and it was one of those times when we conceptualized it

we had this vision for what would happen right before the montage and then I picked out that song for the montage. It's like the gospel track. Yeah, it's almost like a Kirk Franklin type thing. Right. And when I saw that

and the first time we screened it and it was just so satisfying and there's some things that we do in that montage that made me laugh out of. The pantomiming of the lifting and dropping of bags. Yes. Yeah, because we didn't...

There's something about that. That was just like in the moment, we were like we need to get some shots of the progress and then we just kind of made it up. And I think you were doing something and then I seem to remember T.J. saying

something about like picking up the, you know, act like you're picking up the bags or something. Yeah, because I'm a bellboy. But then the way that you, but there wasn't any bags. So you were modeling your new hat. That sticks out in my mind as a favorite part. A favorite, not the favorite. I mean the hot tub

The hot tub moment is nice That was nice for me And that's what leads directly into the montage Like the way those scenes tie together Yeah I also think that Every time We every scene

We did the scene with rain like We probably shot it Well we would shoot a scene and you know then we would get different coverage and we would well we might learn some things and then we would shoot it again and then we might get different coverage of different parts of it like when we're having the interaction with the phone like said all right now let's go back let's do the whole part where he comes up and we meet him let's do that a couple of times and then we'll move on to the second half of the

scene where we're fiddle farting around with the trying to get the selfie and he exits. And I definitely remember sitting to that table and just watching him and Beth kind of find each other. And that like in terms of the experience, I mean, I really like the final product that the edited scene, but like I will remember the experience of watching the stuff that Rain was going to pull out of his hat that we didn't know it was coming. Right. I got a real kick out of that in the moment, not knowing what he was going to say. Right, because it's all that problem. And I think that, I think the pregnancy part, like there was this pregnancy afterbirth thing

that did make it into the final cut. And I have to believe that Beth just threw that at Rain. Oh, she did. So then Rain, so then Rain is like, yes, and the birth with like this afterbirth cleanup thing or something. Yeah. However it happened, it happened spontaneously. Right.

And we had a front row seat to it. So I think that's one of the things that I'm taken from this episode. Thanks for listening. And thanks for watching, Wonderhole. Go over and watch it if you haven't. And we will talk to you next week. Remember, call us if you're blind or if you're not. Hey, Rent, Link.

You guys are philosophers. You don't know what you are. You guys have been doing cultural critique under the guise of taste tests and almost unhinged humor. You don't just eat food or just review products or try things someone cares to try. You dissect us. The way we consume, the way we parent, the way we taste novelty like it's going to save us, you're not just funny.

You're exosentially funny. And that's why I've never connected to anything else on the Internet like I connect to you. So keep philosophizing, keep philosophizing, even if you don't call it that.