Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - Link Takes a Blind Woman to Wisconsin | Ear Biscuits Ep. 495

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

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It isn't really over until your flight is over. Fly Emirates, fly better. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, the podcast, where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I'm Link. And I'm Red. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we're doing what we always do. We're talking to each other and talking to you. And you're doing what you always do, which is listen.

and the window on this arrangement is closing. Yep. I always ask this question while we're rolling instead of before we're rolling. How many more do we have? Including this one, four. Okay, well, we haven't done this one yet, so we've got to include it. So we have four left. This is four.

Four left until we say goodbye for now. On this podcast, but hello in every other place that we still are. Hello, and every other place. Um, I wanted to get to a voicemail that got a lot of, what's the word I'm looking for? We got chatter. We got chatter happening because I'm, I dropped like a little bit of a story on Good Mythical Morning. And I think we both thought that you had maybe told this story before, but apparently a lot of people do not know it. I know. Let's, let's hear the voicemail.

hey red link this is kate and i was watching the most expensive food at costco episode and i was really fascinated by link mentioning the story about how he took a blind woman to Costco and i was wondering if he would be able to elaborate on that story a little bit because i feel like a lot of people in the comment section had a lot of follow-up questions and confusion so yeah thanks guys bye the story was that I took a blind woman to Costco. I might have said that in the episode. I definitely, I mean, I know that I mentioned that I took a blind woman to Wisconsin,

but I didn't say Costco. Well, yeah, because the conversation was that you said something about if you were to stretch Wisconsin out, it would be bigger than Texas, which I still don't believe is true. Right, because you said it's flat, and I was like, no, there's all types of hills. I've driven a blind woman through there,

And I've seen it. And there were lots of hills. And, of course, you knew what I was talking about. Yeah. Because I've told you the story. I wasn't present for it, though. And then, I mean, we even got it. We did an AMA on the society, and everybody there was asking.

And I was like, well, on the society, the people, they tend to, like, know the lore and they go a little bit deeper. So I was surprised that even there, and I was like, you search a callity. I mean, I know I've told this story. But it didn't come up in searchicality. Oh, so you searchedicali did it. I didn't, but other people in the AMA did. Of course, searchicality is the fan-created, searchable database of everything ever said on Good Mythical Morning. And Earbiscuits.

Ear biscuits. Anything we've ever said on the internet. So why didn't it not come up? I don't know, because I know for a fact I've told this story, but I'm going to tell it again. And I'm not going to tell it as good because I remember. I remember less than the last time I told it, but it's good for me. That's why you tell the story again.

Tell the story again because it is a very fond memory of me and the blind woman who I will call Miss, I called her Miss, you've forgotten her name. How sad. I think her name was Miss Alice. Alice? Hollis without an H. H-O-L-I-S.

Oh, why do you have singing the H? because it's silent. No, it's not. Just like her eyes. It's not herb. Her eyes are silent. No, her eyes couldn't see. It's a different.

Yeah, but colloquially, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't like mixing senses for metaphors. She was a wonderful person. And I met her through Todd at NC State. Right. Long-time friend. He, Todd was a. a mentor figure of ours.

We can just, I mean, we can leave it at that for the time being. And he said, I'm leaving for the summer. Link, I know you're going to be here for the summer. This is the summer that you were gone, that Christy was gone. This is the summer before our senior year. And I was taking summer classes. I was going to the gym. I was hanging out with my friend Newkirk.

We were eating Chinese food. and I was picking up a blind lady and taking her home from her job as a professor of some sort at the school for the blind in Raleigh, which is a neighboring school to NC State. Most of the people who go there are in some way seeing impaired. Okay. Now, she, as I said, was a professor. of some sort, sweet older lady, I would say, in her, I feel like early 60s. Okay?

Proceed. I'm going to see. I mean, she could have been, she could have been older than that. I didn't know her, didn't know her at all, but I was like, sure, you know what? I'll take a shift, taking her home once out of the week, and there were other people who picked her up and took her home too drove her around whatever she needed so I was

happy to do that happy to help didn't get paid it was all volunteer okay I can't find her on the internet but okay that's it's better that way are you saying you don't believe me you could be making it all up yeah I can be making all this up you could be wrong

about her name maybe she is you know I definitely could be wrong about her name so yeah Yeah, I would pick her up once a week for the summer, and I would park in the same place. She would come out to me, and she would get in the car in my Nissan pickup. And I would take her home. We'd have great conversations.

How many times every week? One time of the week. So she had different people. Different people. But, and maybe she asked this to all the people who were taking her home, but one day after, you know, a few weeks would be taking her home. just having friendly conversations, she said, I have won a prize. I've won a trip anywhere in the continental U.S. I don't remember how she won it, but she won this trip for anywhere, for two. And she said, I said, oh, well, where are you going to go? Can't go to Alaska. Can't go to

Hawaii, not continental U.S. Right, lower 48. Still plenty of places to go. She was like, I want to go to Wisconsin. If you stretch it out, it's as long as Texas. Right. She didn't say that. Yep, but that's not true.

But she said, I want to go to Wisconsin, and I want to visit an old friend of mine, old in both senses. This is an elderly woman who she hasn't seen in a really long time. Because neither one of them travel. She's like, this is what I want to do. I want to go to, like, basically the middle of nowhere, Wisconsin for my prize. But I need someone to go with me. Because ideally, I wouldn't travel alone.

I don't like to travel alone because of my impairment. She was not 100% blind. She could see some movement. Okay. She had a little bit of ability to discern some stuff visually. Okay. Not much, though. Definitely not enough to drive or pilot a plane, I guess.

Right, yeah. Or to, like, navigate uncertain and unfamiliar areas, like... Wisconsin. Well, airports. Oh, okay. In Wisconsin. So I was like, well, free ticket to Wisconsin. I have a friend in Wisconsin.

The year before, when I spent the summer in Santa Cruz on what is called Summer Project, you meet students from all around the country. And I met this guy, Matt, who ended up being one of my roommates. We were good friends. We kept in touch over the course of the year. I was like, well, you know what, I'll fly with you. I'll be your flying companion. And then I will, I'll see that you get to your friend.

and then I'll get to I'll get to see my friend once you're with your friend and then I'll come back and get you so that was the plan we flew to Wisconsin I guess I had had a late night I didn't get a lot of sleep

but I had to get up early and you know she wanted to get to the airport really early which is not my M.O She had chosen you as the transportation which is that But I was like... No, I will say, you were a... There's been multiple versions of Link,

and College Link was seven times more responsible than current Link. That's true. Just some people need to understand that. That is true. His responsibility has plummeted with age. It's just... In ways that confuse all of us. I'm just, it's not, it's not as worth it as it used to be.

Okay, all right. There's not as, the stakes aren't as high anymore. Okay. I mean, I'm not walking. Walking around, blind people aren't dependent on me. Yeah, I mean, no blind person would ask you to do this at this point, just so you know, like, this was the window in which it made sense. For the most part. But you're about to tell us why it wasn't the best idea.

There's still an indication that things were unraveling for me. Right. I mean, I pick her up really early. um we go to the airport really early we're like checked in we're sitting there really early you know she she i'm not critiquing her but she walks slow okay you know it sounds like it sounds like you're judging why would i critique a blind woman for walking slow great question i'm just i'm just saying why did i say that because everything it like my level of alertness had to be really high and my patience had to be really high right because everything's different everything's

well it was a good lesson for me yeah but it was exhausting but it was a good lesson to to to be the companion of a blind person um i mean we get on the plane i guess i didn't sleep on the plane because i think she talked to me the whole time oh and um again we were we were quite good friends right but um you'd obviously have some good conversation with her because she chose you she liked me amongst the people who took her home yeah of all the people who said yes I might have been the only one well she may have asked you I mean what day were you Friday I'm gonna say I'm Thursday okay right so you probably started with Monday right I did get a sense that if I didn't say yes she wasn't going to be able to go on this trip I mean it did

she didn't make it seem that way. So I was like, I'll do this for her. And I didn't have anything to do, and it was, you know, the week between my two summer sessions. I had two weeks. Spent a week in Wisconsin. And then the next week, I went to Nashville. Without her.

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So now she's picked us up, and I'm driving this woman's Oldsmobile. This woman, who I don't know, and I mean, she was in her, she could have been 80. Okay. She could have been 85. All right. She's old.

Like, almost too old to drive. She wasn't old enough to drive to the airport, but she was too old to drive from the airport. Right, yes. I had to take over. Yeah. So she's sitting in the passenger seat, and my companion is sitting in the back seat, and the luggage is everywhere. And we're driving, and it's a long drive. I mean, definitely over an hour.

It's like a couple of hours to drive out of the metropolis into the countryside. And again, it's hilly and it's beautiful. Rolling Hills. It's great. But I was getting sleepy. I was getting sleepy, dude. And she's talking and talking and talking to her friend. I'm listening and listen and listening, but it was just kind of like so much talking and talking and talking and like so many hills and hills and hills.

and nobody was talking to me. They were catching up. And so, like, it just became kind of mesmerizing these beautiful hills and this, but the row was pretty straight. And I start nodding off. And, of course, my companion, I didn't expect her to notice. She's in the back seat and she's blind. Yeah.

But in the passenger seat, I got this woman who, damn, he's not. Is she legally blind? Because she's not noticing it. He wasn't noticing. Are you hitting the rumble strips? I don't think I hit rumble strips, but I did the head jerk. Because usually everybody notices if you hit the rumble strips. Yeah, right.

That's kind of the point. There may not have been rubble strips. There's not always rumble strips. No, they needed to be rubble strips. And I'm like, well, damn, I'm going to kill this blind woman and her old friend. Yeah. And myself. They lived a good life.

Yeah, I mean, this is a great way to go out, like, winning a prize and all. Yeah, you're, yeah, winning a prize in Wisconsin. This is not need to be how we go out, but, like, I'm like, oh, shit. I was like, you know what? How much further are we from your house? And I don't know, it was long enough that I'm like, we need to pull over. Y'all might have we pull over? I just need to, I need to stretch my legs.

I need to slap my face. maybe drink a mountain do. Did you tell them that you were a little sleepy, or did you... Uh-uh. Okay. I should have, but I don't know. I didn't want to make them feel scared. Right.

I just didn't want to, you know, I didn't want them to drive. Right. Like, I felt like sleepy me was still a better option than, like... It's questionable. Like, elderly woman who might not need her license anymore or legally blind woman. Like, I mean, the options aren't great anywhere you look. Well, I think I know... We know who the last place is, but first place, I don't know.

So, I don't know. I was just like, you know what, we'll pull over, I'll get a drink, I'll splash some water on my face, this will be fine. But there's nowhere to pull over, and I'm like, okay, here we go, finally, somewhere to pull over. I mean, I nodded off again and again, even after making the decision to pull over, I believe. And I'm like, okay, we're going to pull over here, we pull over on the side of the road, and it is a petting zoo. Ah, on the side of the road. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. This seems perfect.

Would you, why don't we go to this petting zoo? That'll give me more time to, you know, wake up. There's a vending machine here. They got a Mountain Dew in it. So I park on the gravel. Well, when you suggested this, what did they say? This is like a roadside attraction. But what did they say?

Well, okay, I guess. They went along with it. I don't remember what they said, but they went along. It wasn't like, no, we'd really like to get home and I'm like, well, I'd really like for you to pet these llamas. I think there's a llama here. Yeah. You know what you want to? Don't you want to pet the llama? Right. There might have been negotiation. I don't remember, but I think I was probably adamant enough about it. They were like, okay. We'll pet, we'll go to the petting zoo. Just like. It's a dream of yours. Yeah. There might have been four other cars there. This is not a

this is not a big endeavor again I had to get a drink out of a vending machine it wasn't like there was a counter selling t-shirts and Starbucks or anything right so I'm walking around slapping my face drinking my Mountain Dew petting pet I I petted a llama but was it only llamas they were kind of walking around doing their thing and I was literally just trying to like get blood flow and it just I was like I cannot kill these women right so um we got back in the car might have been 30 minutes or so it might have been 40 I felt like I could make it and I did I made it made it to the house they put me up for the night and it she had a couple of

guest rooms in her in her house but the the the room that I was in she was like make yourself at home and I go in there and there's a bed with a bed spread on it and I quickly discover she has cats and this is apparently the cat's bed like a human bed yes a double bed but completely coated in cat hair like it was like it was like there was some sort of nuclear fallout, but the only thing that fell out was cat hair. And it was just like, it was just like a snow of it. And it wasn't the type, it felt like, I could scrape it and like get it, start to get it to come up.

But there was so much of it. I just said, well, you know what? I'm just going to roll it back. I rolled the, the comforter back, like a bedroll and just exposed the sheets. And there wasn't any cat hair under there. So I just crawled under there. and then I rolled it back up over me. Yeah, it's like a blanket made out of cat hair.

It seems like it could be something. And I was like, it's just one night. I'm sleeping here. And then I'm trying to, I'm getting into bed. I'm going to listen to music and just be depressed because I'm not with Christy and I'm falling deeply in love with her without realizing it and deciding that I'm going to ask her to marry me.

This was the summer of all that happening. And I'm laying in this cat hair bed. And then all of a sudden I hear I'm already there Take a look around It's some country music And My window was open

And so I realized that there is a outdoor venue Like an amphitheater near her house And it's that band Lone Star Yeah Remember Lone Star? Well, they were on their way out by this point. This was not a big venue.

This was kind of like, but it was July, not July 4th weekend, but the time before, you know, anyway, they weren't as popular, but they were, I could hear them. I could hear them performing most of the night, at least until, for the first few hours. I get it the next morning, and I go to, I don't know how I got there. I think my friend came and picked me up. He drove all the way out from Madison to pick me up in the middle of nowhere and then drove me back to his place. And I stayed there for like five or six days while my friend stayed with her friend. Right. And then I came back.

I stayed one more night in the cat bed and then we flew back and everything was fine. I picked her up a few more times and then the summer was over and Todd came back and I never saw her again. Oh, wow, that's sad. It's not sad. We had our moment. Okay. We had our moment and it was over. You know?

I was her seeing-eye dog. My dog. I was her dog, you know. C-N-E-N-E-Dog with a W in there. You know what I'm saying? Were you really, you know, so I have a really... You gave her an experience.

Yeah, I could have given her, I mean, if things had had gone sideways on that first trip from the airport. Yeah, that was just... I mean, you're nodding off, and then I'm nod off, and I look over to see if anybody notices it. Then I'm driving and I'm nodding off again.

I'm like, see if anybody knows that. Nobody notices. Yeah. Nobody notices. Cover's pretty strong. You can, here's the thing about nodding off these days. Yeah, I know. You got cars that stay in the lane for you.

They kind of encourage. Self-driving. And I'm not going to lie to you. My last two cars have had self-driving features. And there have been times when I'm so tired that just for like, if I'm on like a highway, if I'm like a big, road I'll just be like I'm just gonna rest my eyes for just just now I've done that hold on but then it your car will tell you it sees you because there's a

camera on you so the car says don't do that attention deficit and so I put my sunglasses on sunglasses can't see through the sunglasses can't see your eyes are close to the sunglasses yeah yeah and so I don't go for long I mean I'm talking like maybe my record uphold having my eyes rested as 30 seconds. And again, I'm in self-driving mode. I'm going to, you know, it's not super risky. Yeah.

But I do it just because I... That moment that you decided, just close your eyes for a second, don't. Don't. I mean, people die left, right, and center doing that. Yeah, but I'm saying I only do it in self-driving mode. And also, I've never once fallen asleep. And, like, I don't nod off.

I'm just like, man, it's getting really hard to hold. Let me just, just let my eyes close for a second. I'm not, I'm like not going to sleep. I'm just let my eyes close. And I'm not, my head's not going anywhere. And then I'm like, okay, they feel less heavy. And I open my eyes and I keep going. And there's a couple of times in my life, especially before self-driving, where I felt that way.

And I pulled over. You got to pull over. Took a, even with self-driving. If I'm nodding off, I'm pulling over, taking a 15, 20 minutes. Pet and some llamas. Power nap. Just power nap. I have gotten in the habit of.

engaging the it's not self-driving on my car it's just intelligent cruise control so it will not rear in the person in front of you subject to this cruise you've set it will subject to different intervals that yeah of space you know what I'm saying whatever that's called adaptive cruise control adaptive so what I will do is I try to turn that on and use it as a safety feature so that on my commute if I do happen to look down at the music or something I've then told it hey you need to stop

you need to make the decision to stop if there's somebody in front of you stopping technically I don't have to make it's probably already built it to your car it's built in even without cruise control being on it'll give an alert it'll give an alert but it won't I don't think it will break my car will break and it will break in such a way that it fit you it'll wake you up you'll you think you've hit something I hate that

It's so scary. Because there's been a couple of times and I'm literally in the process of stopping, but I'm trying not to stop in such an aggressive way that it like thinks fall out of the back. But it thinks that it's getting close and so it just like slams on the brakes. Yeah. It makes you feel a little bit safe

that like the car is keeping you from wrecking. Christy's car, it will slam on brakes if it thinks you're, but if you're really about to hit something. So I guess my car would do that too. I just haven't gotten that close. But our driveway is angled, such that when you hit the main street, it goes, and I hate this, sometimes we'll be driving her car, and it will think that it's going to hit the ground.

And then it makes you think you've hit something. And then it slams on brakes, and it is the scariest, and it makes a beeping sound. And if there's people in the car, because I usually only drive Christie's car when there's other passers, You know, I never drive it along. And every time it happens, everybody in the car immediately thinks it's my fault.

Dad! What? Link? It's like, what? It's the car, guys. It's not me. Yeah. The car did that. This time is the car's fault.

The car thought that the, that the street was coming at it. Thought it was going to hit the street. Yeah, this happened to me out of my driveway as well. It's so annoying to be blamed for it. to be blamed for that. Like, do you think I would ever slam on brakes at the, just,

after just starting to exit my driveway? Why would I do that to y'all? Why, what do you believe about me that you think that I did that? Right. The car did that. Yeah. You know?

Well, they had reason to believe it was you. I mean, that's happened to me with my family and they'd never blame me. Okay. Well, you know, you raised the bar to walk effortlessly underneath. Right, right. I guess is what I've done.

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Now, I knew that we were gonna be doing this. So last night, oh, you did, seriously? Last night, I said to myself, I wanna have a good sleep score when we do this. And so I got in bed at 10 o'clock, which is early for me. Okay. And I winded down. I didn't look at my phone.

I read a book. And I'm gonna tell you right now, both my readiness score and my sleep score has a crown on top of it, meaning that I'm the king of sleep. All right, let's just talk about sleep here. What is your sleep score? 91. What?

91. Dude. You did it just to beat me today? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a 79, which is good, good amount of sleep. You got enough sleep last night, well done. My total sleep last night was seven hours, 52 minutes. And that's not in bed, that's actually sleeping. Yeah, mine was seven and a half hours,

which is really good for. Anytime over seven for me is great. Deep sleep was 19 minutes for me, 4%. Oh, my was a hundred, was an hour and 26 minutes. You did not get deep sleep. I did not go deep. What did you do? And the deep sleep usually happens for me

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It just kind of tap, it taps into your natural competitiveness, not just with your friend, but also with yourself. Mm-hmm. So the feedback loop is a positive one because being active is important, so is rest, not just for your physical health, but for your mental health. Yeah, so join the over one million active members today by clicking the link in the description to make health and wellness a daily practice at ora ring.com slash ear. That's ora ring.com slash ear. Check it out. Okay, let's get another voice mail. Hey guys, my name is Kathy.

I'm from Iowa, and I have a fun little game for you to try. It's called the Florida Man Horoscope. So you Google the word Florida man with the day and month of your birthday and just do what pops up. My birthday is December 15th, and mine is Florida Man arrested. Allegedly struck wife with Christmas tree after asked to help make dinner. Let's see what you guys get.

Love you guys, love everything you do. Well, thanks. What about a Christmas tree? Allegedly struck wife with Christmas tree after being asked to make dinner. Well, allegedly. Allegedly. So dude allegedly picked up a Christmas tree

and walloped his wife with it. That's not easier than making dinner. But it's harder than making dinner. How many Christmas? Christmas trees do you have at your house? Because I think we both have quite a few. I mean, Jesse has found a way to put a Christmas tree up in every room, and some of them are small,

and I think I could hit her with a really tiny one. I wouldn't, under any circumstances. Okay, yeah. That's a good point. Any circumstances. You make a couple of good points, so first of all, you wouldn't hit your wife and you haven't. And you're also saying, you haven't.

I would not hit my wife, period, which also includes I would not hit my wife with a Christmas tree. And you, but also you haven't. If she got rabies or something. Oh, okay, good point. And it was untreatable, end-of-the-world situation, and she came at me. Foaming at the mouth.

I might defend myself with a Christmas tree, but I don't think I would, I would not instigate a hit of any kind. Right. Maybe you just get her to bite the Christmas tree. Like, put it in our mouth, kind of like you would, some sort of hippo that you were defending yourself for it. Right, right. Please don't tell her that I care her to it. Yeah, I won't. I don't want her coming from me.

I don't want her phone, I don't want that mouth foam come in my direction. So I guess I was trying to say I could relate, but actually I can't relate. I cannot relate to this man at all. Let me see what happens when I search up mine. Okay, oh, you gonna do it yourself? Uh-huh.

I asked Jamie to do it for me because I'm not as reliable as I used to be. I'm not driving blind women around anymore. you know I would be open to it I'd be open to it I'd be open to it there's a freedom in blind companionship you know it's it is by definition a deeper relationship you know it's it's more substantive you know where did the Costco part come from do we know the episode the episode the episode The episode was about Costco. Oh, okay. And that's why I was like, I thought you. And I just made the offhand of remark something about what we're talking, something about Wisconsin.

I don't even know. That's how we got there. Okay, I thought you took a blind woman to Costco. Uh-uh. I would never do that. That's too far. I would never do that to anybody. Wisconsin, yes, Costco.

Like the bulk, the sheer bulk nature of it is too much. I can't, I wouldn't want to expose it. anybody to that. Yeah. I've got a good one here. It's just traumatizing. Too much stuff in boxes. Florida man accused of forcing small alligator to drink beer.

What, okay, so what? Say that, just say that again. That's delightful. Florida man accused of forcing small alligator to drink beer. Accused. So first of all, maybe he didn't. Allegedly, yeah. Forcing.

Well, it's a one-minute, Read it at Boston.com, October 11th, 2019. Why this is it on Boston.com? Well, I don't know. Authorities say they've arrested a Florida man who provoked a small alligator into biting his arm and poured beer into the animal's mouth. News outlet report, news outlets report, 27-year-old.

Timothy Kepke and 22-year-old Noah Osborne. Shout out, Timothy and Noah, were charged last week with unlawfully taken. an alligator. Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officers began investigating in August following a complaint of Osborne catching the alligator in Palm City and handing it to Kepke. Kepke appears in a video to let the reptile bite his forearm. The video also shows Kepke feeding the alligator beer as it struggles. When officers interviewed Kepke last month, he reported to acknowledge that he was in the video and said the gator was alive when they released it. The men were released on bond jail records didn't list attorneys for them. So that's all we know. know about that situation. So, the part that puzzles me is that he got the alligator to bite him. I think he was a small one and he was like, hey man, I bet you, I bet you the thing a bite it won't even hurt that much.

And it will give a beer. Yeah, as a reward. Or was the beer to get him to let go, having bid him. You know, if you pour beer over an alligator, does he let go? Is that a snapping turtle? I don't know how they respond to beer, to be honest with you. But you thought about it for a second. If you give a beer to a snapping turtle, it's kind of like if you give a muffin, if you give a mousse of muffin.

You're right in there. You're in there. You're close. Right? You're almost there. If you give a, what? I don't know. Mousa Muffet's is great.

Are you thinking of a mouse of cookie? Yeah, the trial. Oh, yeah, if you give a mouse a cookie. There you go. If you give a mouse a cookie, he'll give a moose. A muffin. A muffin. There's a sequel. You didn't know about the sequel?

I didn't know about the sequel. You think I'm lying. There's a if you give a moose a muffin. Okay. Google it. If you give a mouse a cookie. Listen, you've read all the stories. He'll want more.

There is. There is if you give a moose a muffin. Yes. Yeah, there you go. You got kids. Don't doubt. Don't doubt me! Dang!

Leader of blind people! She made a lot of books. What happens if you give a moose and muffin? If you give a moose and muffin. Chaos. Now this is an adult book, I will say that. Adult moose. Yeah, no, it's for adults only.

The sex book? Yeah. If you give a mouse a cookie is for kids and then it, if you give a moose a muffin is for adults only. Can I tell you another story that popped up under this same search? I will say that it pops up under the October 11th search but it apparently happened on February 9th

but I feel like I have to mention it because it's Florida man through live gator into Wendy's drive-thru window Oh my God through him in the window Uh-huh This is Joshua James 24 Again, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Officials

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Official That might be one of the most interesting jobs in America. Yeah. Because you think you're going into conservation to like keep up with the wildlife and the population and predators and stuff. No, you're responding to reports

of 20-year-old men using gators in ways that gators shouldn't be used. Right. Your main job is sobering up gators. Well, we don't know what it got into in the wendies. It probably got into some nuggets. Okay. They don't have beer at windings.

I mean... It does make the question. If you're going to, you know, if you're going to throw a gator in your window, what are you getting at? That's a joke. It's an innuendo. In your window. Okay. Okay.

Jamie, you have, can you look mine up or have you already? Yes. Okay. So there's a theme here about alligators. It says Florida man killed impossible alligator attacked while searching the lake for frisbee's. This is June 1st. Florida man killed an alligator attack when searching for used frisbys. Searching the lake for frisbys.

The lake for frisbys. Now, I kind of understand this because... Yeah. Frisbee, Lake's got lots of frisbys, especially if it's next to a proper frisbee course. Now, don't call it that because they're going to come... Disc golf? Disc golfers. They don't...

Well, I'm not one of them. It's not a frisbee. And I don't want to be part of it. of their community. It's not a frisbee. I want to play occasionally. So but I don't want to get serious about it. I don't want to carry the frisbees in a satchel while I play. The journalist is throwing shade at the disc-off community with this. It's interesting because it says- Catching strays. Yeah, it says investigators believe the victim was looking for frisbee sometime during the night when an alligator attacked him. Maybe he just threw it. Maybe it's just two friends throwing frisbee. And, you know, sometimes you get out of control. Remember, we used to throw frisbee a lot. Our main...

We called it frisbee golf. No. Our main pastime in college was we would go out under that little patch of grass behind our apartment where someone might shoot at rabbits through an open window. I wouldn't. It wasn't me. And it wasn't you. And we would throw frisbys out there.

That was one of the main things we did with our lives. our lives. But we also did get into what we called Frisbee golf because there was a course in Raleigh and we would go. And you know who got us into that? Todd. Mm-hmm. Todd got me into Frisbee and blind chauffeur.

Right. I'm sure he got me into other things besides Frisbee. So I think that maybe there's just two guys throwing Frisbee back and forth, just being buddies. It goes in the lake. It's dark. Yeah. It happened anybody.

What am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to do? go out, well, what do you want me to go to Sky City and get you another Frisbee? You may go to the Big Five and get you another Frisbee? What do you want me to do? Well, Walgreens might have them, actually. Not at this hour. Not at this hour.

And we can't wait until tomorrow night. We gotta go in after this thing. Because we got, we got plans tomorrow night. You threw it, you go in after it. Well, you didn't catch it. You know they were thinking. You go in your scenario they were playing catch. Maybe they were. But it says he was going in for frisbees. So maybe they've done this a number of times

and it's built up. He's like, we got to go in there at some point. People who scuba dive for golf balls. But you know when you get in a lake in Florida, you know there's going to be a gator, ain't? I mean, remember we went to that? We were in Orlando and we were working out of some office. I can't remember what it was.

Yeah. And there was a lake, just right there in the office complex. Gator in the lake. Like, there's a lake, a gator takes it. Mm-hmm. You can't just go into lakes in Florida. No. Really, South Georgia, you can't do it.

Now, this is June. So I was wondering, would this be the drunk gator? Or I think from October to the next June, he's definitely sobered up, unless he developed a problem. I think that little gator developed a drinking problem in October. And then he got big. Does it say how big the gator was? And how drunk he was? It does not say how big the gator was.

It says that there was two gators found, that they're not sure. It also says that the victim, Sean McGinnis, was known to sell discs back to people within the park. And he was found within a few feet of a disc in the water. So it seems like he was kind of like... Did he die? Yeah. Oh, shh. He died.

Oh, wow. All right, so this is a disc golf scenario. He's making a little scratch. Mm-hmm. Living on the edge. It must have been a big gator. Oh, man. That gator was hungry.

Do you know how there was tales. Drunk hungry. Of alligators coming out of the Cape Fear. Well, do you know they found one? Alligators coming all the way up from Wilmington to where? The last, I, somebody sent me an article about a gator getting all the way. up to like where we would have been no yeah i got to look at this because while while you look that up i want to hear jennas jenna your birthday don't tell me july no may no it's a summer

it's a summer one it's a summer one may is spring yep spring the beginning of summer Summer's not officially until June 21st, but I always think summer starts with your birthday. That's what I've always thought. Always. Good old May 20, it's 20. No. You know it? Well, Christ's is May 13th.

That's right. Pretty close to that. You can't have that. May 12th. 11th, 10th. Yep. 10th. Yep.

I remembered. You remembered. There you go. Beginning of summer, according to me. So what's your Florida man? Florida man fleeing from cops attacked by alligator. So, yeah, we're on an alligator. They're everywhere.

Yeah, yeah. They're all up in the headlines. Yep, yeah. My Florida man was pulled over at a traffic stop, but ran away as he fled, attacked by alligator. Police later arrested him at the hospital where he was being treated for his wounds. Yeah. What a rude thing to do of that alligator, first of all. Well, they are showing up in Fayetteville area pools and yards.

That's crazy. So they're coming all the way into Fayetteville now. Which, I mean, that's pretty, oh, look, swimming pools and waterways as far north as Harnock County. What? Harnat County. So we were swimming in those rivers growing up all the time. What if we'd have seen an alligator? That would have been crazy.

But here's the thing. So my uncle... What is that? Uncle Herbert. He had a house on Kitchafuni Creek. Kichafuni Creek in Georgia. Don't know what a Kichafuni is. And it was the kind of place where the river, the creek, would be, I don't know, 30 feet across.

but people had houses on it and people had boats like real speedboats and they would like fly down this creek and we would swim off of his dock all the time this is South Georgia swim off of his dock jump down in there and then we would he would pull us behind his boat on a tube out in the wider part of the creek

and we would go past this spot this swamp area we'd be in this the main part of the lake and then we'd go by the swap, and we'd be on our tubes just going by, and there'd be a bunch of alligators just over there in the swamp. He's like, they stay over there. He's like, they ain't got nothing to worry about,

and they stay over there. But like, they don't stay over there. Why would they just stay over there? I don't know why he thought they just stayed over there. There was water moccasins and alligators everywhere and we were just swimming in it. It's crazy. Yeah.

I think down there, skin's thicker. Yeah, you can take it out. Skin got to become more armor-like. Maybe that's what they were. doing. They were trying to, you know, you got to, yeah, harden yourself a little bit to it. Hmm. You let an alligator bite you. You feed it beer and you get arrested? I mean, those guys probably were thinking they were going to, they were up for something, but it wasn't an indictment. They probably thought they were up for some sort of recognition. Well, they should

have filmed it. Should have done it and shouldn't have filmed it. Next, voicemail. Hi, Rentlin. My name is Paula. I've been a fan since I was like seven years old, and I love you guys. I have a little bit of a relationship question, if you guys even answer this, but it's about my boyfriend's family being unclean. I don't know how to tell him that it makes me uncomfortable to stay over at his house because there's like, oh my gosh, speaking of, there's a bug right there. There's roaches in his house, and it makes me so scared. I hate bugs, and it's just unclean.

I'll use the bathroom, and it's, like, stinky, and I hate it. Yeah, thank you. Oh, is it like somebody showed up? Oh, yeah. Where else that roach started talking? At first I thought she might be talking about ceremonial uncleanliness. Yeah.

Unclean. My boyfriend's family is so unclean. But this is not a spiritual thing. This is a literal. I mean, there are indications within this voicemail that maybe her sensitivities are heightened. a little, maybe, I'm not going to say overblown, but she's sitting there leaving a voicemail,

and then she, like, catch it. Is she in her boyfriend's house leaving the voicemail? Well, yeah. Is that what was happening? Yes. I'm like, she's, like, speaking of, there's a bug right there. There's a bug right there. And then her boyfriend's mom, like, walks in,

and she has to stop the voice mail. Oh, I'm talking about you on the Internet. Mm-hmm. So you think she was seeing a bug there, not, like, just in her normal voicemail leaving life in her own space, seeing a bug and freaking out. Well, I'd like to believe she was there. Okay.

Because it makes it feel better. If she wasn't, then she might have a bug phobia. And that's, you can't start blaming that on other people. But if you're in a house and you're seeing bugs, that's not, that's, I guess it's a lifestyle. I guess there's, you know, different people and different households and different, you've got different, you know. Standards. well you've got expectations yeah approaches yeah it's more of a in a culture it's a little subculture and whatever whatever you're comfortable with in this little subculture of the people

that you live on the same roof with you might find people who just they keep things a little dirtier you know my kids have lived in different places over the years and I would help them move in. I would help them move out. And it's one thing when you move out and you realize that like there was a bunch of like disturbing shit under and behind everything. But when you're moving somebody in and you're noticing it at that point, that's a different. That's not starting off on the right foot. I may or may not have had a kid that I moved in and out of a place that I was concerned for

for the health viability of those who were staying there. But it wasn't my place to say anything. So I did. I think that's the question here. I silently judged and I minimize my time there. What do we do for, is it Paula? Mm-hmm. I feel like, Paula, unfortunately, I think that the way forward here is that you just have to grin and bear it.

Take it. I don't think that you can say is you can be like, your parents' house is really dirty. I don't like staying there. I want to minimize the amount of time we stay there, but I understand that we can't completely not stay there or whatever. But I don't think what you can do is deliver a message to him that then he is expected to deliver to his family

for them to fundamentally change the way that they approach this stuff. It's just like, this is part of the package that comes with your boyfriend is a dirty family house. Don't make waves. Take it on the chin and be nice in the way you even talk to your boyfriend about it. And it's like, you know, I have a thing with bugs and I've seen a bug there.

I've seen some, I've seen multiple bugs. I saw one while I was leaving a voicemail for air biscuits. I think what you gotta do is you gotta fortify your own being. You gotta, you gotta see if you can just, just bear it like you're saying. This is an opportunity for growth, it really is. You know, I told you that story about when we found the roach in the studio and I stepped on it and picked it up,

I will let you know that I am scared of bugs as well. It's just I was on camera, I'm in performance mode and so I stepped on it and picked it up. I would never do that in my house because there's no camera rolling. Yeah, what would you do at home? Screen and run. No, actually, Jesse would scream. She would say, get that roach,

and I would feel an obligation to do it, and then I would... Paper towel. I would do it, and I would be scared, and I would be making little squealing noises while I was doing it. Would you paper towel? You put a paper towel down and then stomp on it

and then pick it up. I have to see it. Well, just last night, I was cleaning... Oh, this is crazy. Cleaning out my closet, thinning it out a little bit. as we migrate from, you know, short sleeve to long sleeve predominance in the closet.

And as I was going through my jackets, I pulled out a jacket and a spider, a little spider, one of the quick ones, like runs up on, he like runs out of the jacket and gets up on the shoulder of the jacket. Oh, did he speak to you? Nope, but I spoke to him. Please sir.

And then I was like, the main thing I was thinking was, I can't let this spider stay in the closet. Like, I have to get him out. And he went back, when I screamed, he went back into the coat. So I just picked the whole coat up and just threw it on the bathroom floor. And then I just opened it up and he crawled out and I hit him with a shoe. May rest in peace is. Dude, he could have lived in that jacket.

Who knows how long? You could have been walking around with a little spider, a pocket spider. Yeah, I don't, but what I'm saying is I didn't handle that well. No, you didn't. But if my in-laws were dirty and the house was really dirty, well, the story I was gonna tell was the, when I stepped on that thing and I told that story

about my dad's friend who was a P.O.W. and Nam, and how he developed a party trick where he would just pick up a roach and eat it off the ground. Which seemed like a true story. It was. Okay. Because he was a P.O.W. and he ate roaches. He ate everything he could find. Oh, God.

And so he developed this ability to be like, there's a roach, I'm gonna pick it up and eat it right here in front of everybody and everybody will just, I don't know what, I mean, I guess he got brownie points for doing that. Somebody was impressed. And that's a true story. But what I'm saying is that your experiences change your perspective on this. So every time you go and stay at your boyfriend's house, Paula. Just pretend you're a P.O.W. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that what you're getting that? Yeah, yeah, essentially, yeah. Existentially, yes. And you will. maybe get to a point where it doesn't bother you. And then maybe one day, if you're really good at it, you'll be able to pick up a bug and eat it and impress people at a party. I'm going to give you some practical advice. That wasn't practical?

I'm going to add to Rhett's practical advice with my own. Bring house shoes. That'll make you feel a little more comfortable. Pack house shoes, shoes that you only wear inside of their house. maybe I was going to say rubber gloves but that's going to be too obvious unless they're flesh-colored

maybe a full flesh-colored hazmat suit flesh-colored gloves and paint the nails on them the same color as your nails underneath and no one will notice put your ring on like whatever rings you got over the glove put your ring on over the glove

yeah paint the nails of the glove you might be able to to go full latex all over your body. Yeah, you're gonna have to go to like a sex shop for that. And then get one of those masks that's a mold of your face that goes over. Like Brian Cranston did that one time at Comic-Con where he was Walter White and then he sat down

and he was Brian Cranston. You do that until you have a full suit that you were in when you go to your boyfriend's house and they won't know until you try to eat. When you try to eat through that mask, it's gonna get weird. So don't eat. Just be like, I'm not hungry.

There's not a hole in the mask. There is, but your mouth doesn't really move. If you try to eat through a mask that looks like you, it's going to get it all over. Your mouth, there's a mouth underneath the mouth. That's going to expose the... You can't do that. Like when Tom Cruise and that Mission Impossible wore that mask.

Yes. He didn't eat. Can't eat it. He ate before and he ate after. You can have a smoothie via straw. Okay. You could say, could you please smooth that? Yeah.

could you please smoothie the meal and if your in-laws have any like little alligators there and they bite you they're just gonna they're gonna think they're ripping through flesh but they're not right so a little added protection there good luck you're gonna need it hey retin link this is grace long time listener first-time caller well i've called several times try to get in a good question before your biscuits is over indefinitely. And I wanted to know, I am apprenticing to be a licensed funeral director and embalmer currently. I'm 23, and I've been working on it for a little bit.

And a lot of people will tell me that it's a calling. They think it's a little weird, but they'll be like, well, somebody's got to do it, you know, that type of thing. And my question to you two is, do y'all think you would make good? funeral directors slash embalmers, mortician type thing. My name's Grace, putting it at the end there so you'll remember. And thanks so much, love you guys. Grace, you made it. Your voicemail made it into the show.

Yes. Before the break. Aren't you so happy? And you're doing a, you're doing, somebody's gotta do it. You're doing something somebody's gotta do. You're draining the blood out of humans, and you're replacing it with embalming fluid. People are not in great shape when they die more often than not.

You're not working with like, it's not like you're a fitness trainer to like, you know, celebrities. You're working with dead people and they're dead for a reason. That's the thing that concerns me. If they were all like pristine specimens and they all die, from something that I don't have to worry about. So if they were all hot, you'd be into it? It sounds like that's what I'm saying. That's not where I thought we were landing.

Well, hey, we is not part of this. Sometimes you take off and you don't know your destiny. We is not part of this. Yes, I guess you've helped me see that that is what I'm saying. If everyone was hot when they died, I'd be into it. Okay. Just, just the maiming of it all. I'm not comfortable with maimed people.

Mamed people. Okay, I understand that. But what about the process? The process of, I don't know, you were really into mowing. You were really into mowing grass. Like you, you, you, once something becomes a process, I feel like, yeah, yeah. You can kind of get lost in it.

Yeah. But I think that the fact that it does involve bodies, and I'm not talking about just non-hot bodies. I'm just saying the process of draining blood out of something, I think that would be a problem for you. But it's not pumping anymore. Because you always thought the circulatory system and the fact that it's pumping currently is a problem for you.

But if it's just draining out of there, like just pick a low point and it just comes right out. It's like the gutter on the side of a house. It goes into a drain. Right. And then you pump it with this poison. Would you be into it? Sounds like you don't think it's that big of a deal.

Anything that you would do enough, you just get used to it. It's just another day at the office. This is a good question because I actually don't think that I've got a, I think I like the idea. of doing a job that involves a craft, like perfecting a craft. But I don't think there's any evidence of me having a propensity to want to do that in my life.

Because even things like music, right? Music is a craft and I like to get better at it over time, but not really, if I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't go, I don't take lessons of any kind. I don't get into like deep music theory. I just, I'm playing because it's fun and it's a way to express myself. But like being a funeral director,

you are building on this knowledge base, you're getting better at it each time. It's like being a surgeon. It's like a, even like the idea that I have to, oh, one day I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do woodwork because I like the idea of it. But I think that, if I got all of the equipment that I needed for woodworking

and I had all the YouTube videos lined up to watch to figure out how to do this or I was getting lessons, I think if I just went to some woodworker shop and I was the apprentice, like 30 minutes saying I'd be like... On your phone? I know, like I have a high level of patience for creating things and we'll spend a lot of time writing, we'll spend a lot of time brainstorming, developing things,

but a craft, I haven't, name a craft. Name a craft like that that I've spent any time. I don't think, I think that you, you have to be a craft person to be a good funeral director. So I just don't think I have it in me. I don't think I have the patience. I think that's, it's not that it would be gross, it would be gross, but I think I'd be over that six weeks.

Six weeks. I think maybe I could be over it. I'm concerned about the smells and how cold they have to keep it. Matter of fact, you have a smell thing. And then you gotta deal with people that are sad, constantly? I can't visit a city with you without you pointing out smells at least seven times a day. I know. And how cold it might be? I wish I had another layer.

Yeah, I don't think this is for you either. Yeah. The good news is there's no risk of me killing. That's true. So the stakes are lower. But you gotta do things with the face and if you make mistakes there, family members get upset. Yeah, yeah. and the interesting thing we were learning what was her name

at Hollywood Forever I wasn't there what is her name I wanted to say Francesca that sounds right from the time you told the story we'll confirm that in a second but she was great

she was a well-rounded person and the thing that I seem to be very passionate about learn from her first of all she got the call at age 11 like she felt the call to be a funeral director at age 11.

And one of the things that she talked about was there are certain cultures here in the world, but also represented in Los Angeles. Here in the world. Los Angeles has everyone. That open casket is no question. No matter what happened to the person,

no matter what happened to their face in a wreck or whatever, they have to have an open casket. casket funeral and she says so some of the things that she has to deal with in order to get somebody to be presentable can be absolutely like crazy but she takes a lot of pride and did she fulfilling the family's request did she say that that was um related to at least some like a hindu practice i think i think it was i but i don't i don't want to speak out of school yeah i might be speaking out of school, I don't know if it's related to Hindu. Did we get her name? Yes, her name is

Jasmine. That is a different name than Francesca. I'm sorry Jasmine, you're great. And you're also not Francesca. Nope. And you never need to be. Right. But yeah, but she, but think about the work. I think that would be a problem. Open casket no matter what. That would be a problem. But she just sees it as this, the thing that I love about it and I love about people like Grace

and Jasmine. And the other thing she said, well, I'll let you finish. Is that they are providing a service that is absolutely necessary. Yep. At a really difficult time in people's lives. Yep.

And they're just doing, they see it as a service. You know, I just think that it's like really important work that gets, it gets overlooked. Yes, yes, yes, yes. We're celebrating the work

that you are studying. I don't think it makes you weird if you want to do it. No, no, no, no, no. Some of our favorite people are, you know, funeral practitioners. It might make you a little bit weird, but only in a good way. Yeah. I mean, the best make-out parties were always at the funeral director's home when we were in high school.

The funeral director family was the coolest family. They were the coolest family. Shout out to Oquim Peebles Funeral Home in Lillington, North Carolina. I think the name may have changed a little bit, but yeah, something like that. Something like that. Okay. The other thing that Jasmine impressed upon us, I don't know if it made it into the edit of that society special, was talking about the open casket. Opting for that, it sets the stage for a powerful sense of closure that has scientifically been determined to be helpful to sense of closure that has scientifically been determined to be helpful to.

see your dead relative if you can. And you're not just about the closure of the rectum, which is part of the process. I'm not talking about that at all, Rhett. Wasn't even on my mind. Okay. I was talking about the casket being open so that you can see your dead relative.

And then you have that image. It's an important thing. It gives you psychological, subconscious closure that, well, there they are, or there their body is, just dead, lifeless body, and I'm feeling certain things, and now I'm walking away. But I do not have that image. In a way that every culture and every person in history,

like up until modern times had to deal with, like somebody died and you saw him there. And they, there they were. They were in your house, like on a table for like a few days. So people could come and say bye to him. So there he is. He's just sitting on this table in the living room. And now it's like, oh, I mean, it's not Joe Diffy.

Okay. But may he rest in peace. May he rest in peace. And it always troubled me that when Joe Diffy passed away, it was during the pandemic. They didn't prop him up next to the jukebox. They didn't prop him up next to the jukebox. I mean, there had to have been behind closed door conversations about that. I mean, right?

Because you can do it. You can do it. It can be done. In the early days of the pandemic, it was really hard to do anything. So if it wasn't the pandemic, what? Were we robbed of dead Joe Diffy being propped up next to the jukebox because of the pandemic? If so, I hate it even more. I didn't think I could hate the pandemic even more.

But I think that's the reason, because you know there was extensive conversations involving multiple people sitting around multiple tables to try to figure out the best way to do it. Not if you should do it, but how to honor his request to do it. And you can do it, as we discussed with Jasmine. And one of my favorite Tick-Tock rabbit holes is like, I think it's Nigeria, like Nigerian funerals, or maybe it's Ghana. Okay. Somewhere in Africa, the funerals, the, she called it extreme embalming,

I think is what Jasmine called it. Because the first one I ever saw was there was a man who was a lover of soccer. And so at his funeral, he was sitting up and all of his friends were going by and balancing a soccer. soccer ball off of his dead hit. What? Yeah. It was like, that was how you said by to him.

You go up and you just hit him with the soccer ball. And he headed it back every time. She knew about this because when you brought it up, she was like, oh, yes, these are, did she say that she had gone in person to something like that? No, I think she was like, I know what you're talking about. We don't do that here because just like culturally it's not acceptable. So. And are they kind of dried, mummified a little?

little bit at that point or is it they're pretty fresh I mean if you didn't know you would think it was just a very still man bouncing headers mm-hmm wow what else have you seen lots of just like guys sit lots of people sitting up at their funeral lots of people sitting there in a chair hand on cane hand on cane hand on cane yeah dress really nice always with sunglasses always with sunglasses so that the car won't see that they're asleep right or dead yeah always with sunglasses what kind of sunglasses cool I mean really cool yeah you don't want to see the eyeball after death that's tough that's a tough one and you don't want them to be closed

closed eye because they're sitting up they're sitting up I mean you're throwing back you soccer balls off their head you want you to see it coming you want to think that they could see it coming right Right? But we're so uncomfortable with this kind of talk in our culture. Like something happened. I also, one of the things she taught us, which I had heard before, but then it went in another part

of my brain and solidified was the whole thing about embalming being an innovation of the Civil War because you had all these soldiers dying all over the United States and needing to get back to their home to be buried. And so somebody came up with the idea that if you pumped them full of formaldehyde or whatever the stuff is, preserve them.

They preserved them to get them back to their parents and their families so they can be buried and they wouldn't just be like rotten. And so then we just, I don't know, at that moment we kind of pushed ourselves a little bit away from it. From death. Yeah.

Yeah. Like the dead person being there, it became like arms linked, next room over, take care of it. Like they're not at home, they're at the funeral home. Mm-hmm. I really appreciate the level of empathy and the level of craft, as you were saying, that goes into such a not only necessary but beautiful.

I mean, I think that the people that I've met who are really committed to it and really good at it, they're like super empathetic, nice, caring, community-oriented people. You know, because everybody comes through. There's like, you know, you think about Lillington and the small town nature of it and the fact that there's like, there might be three funeral homes there, different ones. But, you know, you got everybody coming through. It's kind of this touch point for the entire community.

It's one of the reasons why people come together. It's especially in, like, tight-knit smaller communities when, like, I mean, you got, funeral, uh, you got like wakes and funerals that are like, the entire community comes out for it. They're just lined up around the block just to honor somebody, you know. Um, we don't see that as much out here. No. We don't have, we're not in a tight-knit community where our old people are dying. Yeah, we're not in a community with a bunch of old people. That's, that's the, that's one thing out here is that no one, no one is dumb enough to retire out here.

It's too expensive. Yeah, you can't do it. So, Matt, I don't know. We, we're very grateful for it. It's one of our favorite professions that I guess neither one of us would do. Do you that way? Thank you, Grace. But give us six weeks, and it would be old hat.

We'll be all right. It's like, I got this. All right, y'all. You can still call us. Leave us a voicemail. But the clock is ticking. It is. 1-888.

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