Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - Rhett’s Adventures in Croatia | Ear Biscuits Ep. 480

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Rhett loves a walled city, and he loves a botanical garden. In this episode, Rhett & Link discuss Rhett’s July break of going to Croatia – where he learned a lot of history, witnessed a protest, took a dangerous boat ride, and fed his soul. Plus, some time spent in North Carolina just being, instead of doing. Leave us a voicemail at 1-888-EARPOD-1 for a chance to be featured on the show! Download the Klarna app or visit klarna.com to get started. Go to https://hellofresh.com/ear10fm to get 10 free meals and one free protein for new subscribers. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is mythical. Welcome to Earbiscuits, the podcast. We're two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time, I've read. And I'm Link this week at the roundest table of dim lighting in the world. That's quite a claim. What? Oh, you went on a trip and we're going to talk about it. Oh, I'm going to say you forgot.

No, I didn't, I didn't, when I changed it up, I didn't know how to keep going. Oh. Rhett went to, I always want to say Portugal, but that was over a year ago. This year, my boy went to, don't tell me, I do remember, but it's Portugal in my brain. Okay, well, let's let it be Portugal. But it's kind of similar. There's like a, there was like a beach. What an American perspective.

There's like a rocky coast. What a Maricentric privilege. I've been there before. A hint, I've also been to this country before. And people are really starting to go there and enjoy it. And what is it called? I'm not going to give it to you because when you make the connection, you'll grow a new neuron.

I don't like the implication that I need to do that. You better hold on to that neuron as hard as you can. It rhymes with it. And in an end, the last letter is in. No, it does it. It rhymes with Floresia. Croatia. Yeah, who goes to Croatia, man?

A lot of people, apparently, it's a beautiful land. Yeah. From the two pictures that I saw. I got more pictures that I will share on the socials. So, Rhett's going to tell us about that. But first, I'm going to spend 17 minutes clearing my throat. By the way, I cleared it up. I cleared it up.

This is only days after that. I cleared it up. You know what it was? It was a sickness that was trying to get the best of me and I stamped it out. Okay. How do you know that? Well, because I had it the next day too.

It was like a sore throat the next day. Okay. And then I said, uh-uh. And it went away. It might have been allergies. Who knows? So if you're watching the video version of your biscuits, which of course comes out on Wednesdays on the YouTube channel,

then you'll be able to look at the pictures. If you're just listening, which, of course, that comes out every Monday. then you're just listening and you can visualize the pictures and you can watch the video later. But what you really need to get geared up for is Wonderhole Season 2.

The first episode comes out this coming Sunday at 11 a.m., no, yep, Pacific. That's 2 p.m. Eastern. On Sunday, this Sunday afternoon. What date is that? 24th, August 24th. August 24th of 2025. A date that will go down in the history is being the debut of Wonderhole Season 2. If you remember of the society, as of the Wednesday preceding this Sunday, you can watch every episode ad free. First tier, second tier, third tier, any version of the society tiers, you get to watch it early. and free the entire episode. So a little something special for you, society members.

So if you're watching this episode on YouTube, then it's already up there. On the society. So yeah, every Sunday for the next six weeks, an episode of Wonderhole will come out on Sunday. And we are so excited about it. And we'll talk a little bit about, we're going to do our,

we're not going to like talk about Wonderhole multiple episodes or anything like that, But we're gonna, next week we'll talk more about Wonderhol, once an, is it next week? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, next week. Once an episode is out, you know, you can get an idea of what we're doing and where we're going, and then we can talk about it together as a group. Class discussion.

Yeah. Croatia. Well, Croatia is only part of it. You know? You don't limit me to just Croatia when my vacation started in Boston. That's right. Okay, I don't remember. Shepard's doing a little summer camp type thing, summer program in Boston.

And so we went up there to drop him off at the beginning of our break, me and my wife, Jesse. Did you put a note on him and say, we're going to Croatia, take care of this guy? No, it's a little more official. than that, there was paperwork and a fee. Turns out there's a fee for these people to watch him for a month. Okay. Quite a fee.

Can I just talk about Boston for a second? Yeah. Feel free. I would have told you, if you had asked me, list the cities that you want to go to in America that you have been to. It would have taken me a while to get to Boston. You might not would have ever gotten there.

Well, I mean, eventually. On a list? I would have gotten there on a list if it was exhaustive. Okay. Because we've been there one time, I think. I remember, well, I remember we went there. I think we went there with the Alka Salta Road trip we went through there because I remember walking.

Lobster. Oh, that was that. That was that. Yeah, it was. the thing that started the whole local commercials thing. Maybe the reason that we're even at this table right now in Los Angeles is because we went to Boston. Yeah.

But I also remember that we had a limited amount of time before we had to get back into that RV and go to another city and make another video. But we went in the Cheers bar. You don't remember that? I do now that you've said it. I forgot all about it. Actually, it's only the outside.

Of course, the inside is a TV set. It's not an actual... Well, yeah. So that, like, the... The outside... It's an actual bar. It's like the restaurant in Seinfeld. It's like, oh, this is the exterior that we show.

It's the exterior. That's the word I'm looking for. So we... But I do think we went in. I like to believe that we did. We also were once invited to MIT. Can you believe that we were invited to MIT to speak? At a conference.

At... at RaffleCon. Yeah. I didn't want to say what it was. A, the budding world of internet celebrities got together in RaffleCon,

roll on the floor laughing con. This is like VidCon before VidCon. Yeah. And I remember we hung out with I Justine and Brookers. Brookers? Yeah, yeah. Brookers.

See, I remember things. You have a good long-term memory. It's your short-term and work. that we need to work on, and it's my long-term memory that I need to work on. And together we have a perfect memory. Can one work on a long-term memory? Well, it's a long-term project. I think you just keep renovating your short-term memory.

And it says, if I'm not good with the short-term memory, does that mean nothing new is getting put into the long-term memory? Quite possibly. Like... I don't know how it works. Ostensibly, at one point, your short-term memory was good, and that's how you remember the old things. Or some, my brain just knows this is going directly in a long term. And so a year from now, you will easily remember that Rhett went to Boston and Croatia, the year after he went to Portugal. Well, you know the things that you did, the kinds of things that you tend to remember very well, much better than me?

Since. Well, that wasn't where I was going to go, because I think I'm a pretty good smeller. Well, first of all, song lyrics, which is a different thing. thing like you that part of your brain is very intact um but experiences going places yeah and i those i think it's a spatial memory actually and i don't remember experiences i remember concepts and so like oh we went there and i'm like oh yeah you're right we did but i never think about that unless i wrote it down in like a journal or something or we then talked about it again. If I don't run the memory through something, the other part of my brain, I would never

remember RaffleCon again. All I could have told you is that I've been to MIT. I don't remember anything about it. It's just I remember that as a concept. And our wives were with us. I do remember the road trip from Boston to New York. Yeah. We were in New York and we just tacked that on. So I remember driving out there. Well, let's talk about this trip to Boston. Okay. All that to say, Boston is a beautiful city. You know, first of all, I love an East Coast city. Can we give it up for East Coast cities?

You know, they got, there's just a, there's something about them. They've been around for longer. They have much more. Well, you should go to Dublin. They have much more, well, they are, they are much more like older European cities. But there's something about the combination of the fact that they happen to be the first coast that, you know, the settlers got to, and so they are more settled, but also the foliage. The plant life.

It's not a desert. You know what I mean? It's a temperate forest or something. I don't know the terms. There's big, old trees everywhere, and there's a lot of green that seems to just sustain itself without a whole lot of sprinklers. Yeah. And the buildings are beautiful, and the, um,

there's just something, and also the thing about Boston is it feels like New York in that there's a lot of stuff going on in a tight space, but it's smaller, more concentrated, and it's cleaner. Can I just say that? Boston feels super clean. I kind of like a dirty city, a dirty cleaner than New York. Okay. And definitely cleaner than L.A. But like, I kind of like a dirty, somewhat dangerous city. Like, I'm not scared of that. I kind of like turning down the wrong corner and seeing what happens.

There's a part of me that likes that. But, and I'm sure there's parts of Boston that are like that. I don't like walking around and all of a sudden I get hit with a scent and I will call it a smell. I'll call it a stink. You get hit with a stink,

so I've gotten really good at the moment a stink starts to enter, I expel it. And breathe through your mouth. You're still getting it. And then you're just eating it. I learned this from my dogs. Whenever they smell a fart, yeah, they push it back out. Yeah. Once you smell it, it's too late, it's already in your brain. Right, but then you push it out. You know, I don't need any more information from this fart.

Or from this, this block. Like a dumpster. You didn't happen upon any Boston stink? I mean, I don't really, I'm not as stink averse as you. Stink make me horny as you know. And, uh, so I don't, I, there's less of that, though. There's no, like, like piles of trash bags on the street corner that you kick and multiple rats come out of. Well, you might not have been there the right day. Also, true. It was Fourth of July weekend and it was, you know, you're in this part of the country that, you know, we took the freedom trail, whatever that thing is

with the audio and you're in this part of the country where it's just like a lot of the history of America can be traced to specific places and people and events that happen there. And it's kind of a cool thing to explore. We got to see the fireworks on the Harba, Harba, Haba, Haba. Where the tea party happened? Yeah, I guess so.

You didn't think about that? Well, no, I went to, listen, man, I did the Freedom Walk. I talked all about the tea party. Okay. And then I went to Paul Revere's house again. I was like, I've already been there with Link. But I decided to go back because my wife really wanted to go. and it was the same.

I don't remember that. They have not renovated the Paul Revere House since 10 years ago. Oh, okay. Which missed opportunity. Yeah. For a little decorative update. Really could use a dual vanity in there.

And, uh, but we just had a great time. And then the other thing that I love about the city is it is such a high concentration of educational centers. Right there, like you could, you could set a drone up. right there in the middle of the river. And you could see Harvard, MIT, Boston College, Boston University, Tufts University,

the Berkeley College of Music. And there's just one after, I'm only, then this are so many more. And there's something about, you know, I've always had this like, inferiority complex. Well, yes, I always have had this fascination with universities. Love of higher learning. And the idea of, like, being a professor with an office on an old university campus with brick buildings and big trees and, like, be in my office just, like, learning something

and then occasionally going out and, like, saying things to a group of people and then coming back. Like, in another... Which, again, it's not a fantasy, it's not complete fantasy because you had an up-close and personal view of this. You're describing your dad's profession. Yeah, he was a law professor. That's right, yeah. Yeah, so it's actually a well-informed... fantasy that you have here

typically those type of things are something like well but yeah it's different when you actually do it I could I still could see that for you maybe I'll be an adjunct

you could be an adjunct I mean there's like I just I love Fiasco is a hip hop professor at like it could be MIT for all I know one of these places

I don't know why it would be in MIT but it's somewhere like that but I just and I love college towns there's something there first of all there's just something about people in that age group who are becoming who they're going to be and they're learning all this stuff and like they're passionate about things and they're radical

about things. Yeah. Like they get so passionate and so idealistic about whatever ideology they're currently exploring and of course we have that same experience. And they don't get tired. Right. You can get all the time, but then you get tired or the next day you just have to develop to recovery. And there is an energy that that descends upon a place that has that type of stuff going on. And Boston has so much of it. And there's so many good places to eat. I'm just a big fan.

Aerosmith, from there? Oh, yeah. I would like to go for the record shops, but go ahead. So anyway, I was... Buy an original pump. I was very excited and then started, you know, trying to convince Shepard that you should go to college at one of these places, so I can come back and visit.

We'll see how that goes I'm not going to make my kid do things like that though But he loves it too He's still there Coming back I think next week And he is having the time of his life He loves it there It's a great place to be in the summer apparently

Not so great to be there in the winter apparently Some people have said I don't know I've never been there And we have a lot of people here at Mythical From What's the Emerson? And Emerson's in Boston Am I right about that?

Emerson, so we have a bunch of, there was a bit of an Emerson mythical pipeline for a while there. We still have something coming. And anyway, so there's a tie there. Now, that was only a few days. And then it was off to Croatia. Croatia, that's right, Link. Never forget.

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That's hellofresh.com slash ear 10 FM to get 10 free meals and a free item for life. Croatia, beautiful country. If you need help locating it on a map, picture the map in your head. You know where Italy, the boot. jumps out into the Mediterranean Sea. Okay, you're talking about Italy? Yep, that's my dad calls it.

And then, go up the shin. No, go up the back, go up the calf. Okay, go up the calf. Assuming that the boot points left. Yeah. Go up the right side, the eastern side of Italy. There you go. And go all the way to the coast of the Mediterranean.

Go to the knee? Well, no, no, like, we're past the boot. I know. What's passing? You know, the knee would be like Switzerland up there. I'm not continuing, I'm following the coastline. Yeah, but I think that the coastline is the thigh. Let's just say Italy. So you're following Italy, and then you're following the coastline on the east side,

and then it kind of curves back to become the north side of the Mediterranean, and then it starts curving down again to be the eastern side of this whole Mediterranean Sea that is jutting into Europe. and Asia Europe and then right there on the eastern side of that you have Croatia

so right across from Italy like if you were to jump off of the calf of Italy eastward the first country you would hit well depending on where you aimed would be Croatia okay

and you chose Croatia because of Game of Thrones no I didn't but they did film stuff there? Let's just say Croatia in some ways into some consternation of the locals which I will get into in a moment

has become a Game of Thrones Museum. Oh. Like Kings Landing? Kings Landing. I don't know. I read the first book and I watched the first season and then my wife went on without me and so I feel like I'm a... I was frozen

in a fetal development stage when it comes to Game of Thrones. I felt a little inadequate. But yeah, like the Red Keep. We were eating, when I sent you that video, I was like, dinner next to the Red Keep, like the entrance.

And then it's a walled city, DeBrovnik. And in the walled city is like, oh, there's the stairs of shame where she walks down naked, which I've seen like on TikTok. You know what I mean? I haven't seen it in the actual thing. So so many things shot there

and there's so many gift shops and statues of Peter Dinklage outside of gift shops. welcoming you in. I'll get to that in a second. Your neighbor? Your grade school neighbor? Yeah.

The Adriatic Sea. The Adriatic Sea is beautiful. I guess this is just the portion of the Mediterranean that is there along the coast. Other countries over there, you got Bosnia, Montenegro, these five countries used to be Yugoslavia. And I learned a little bit of the history. And then when we were like in middle school, they were Yugoslavia.

And then, and that was that Milosevic guy, remember that name? I didn't know anything about it, but he was like in charge of it. And then they all got their independence and then immediately, Bosnia and Montenegro attacked Croatia. And there was like a war going on over there while we were in middle school.

And they like embargoed the city of Dubrovnik and they cut the power off for three months and they bombed it and like multiple. Like I was, I met multiple men who are now in their middle ages or, you know, a little bit older than me who were soldiers. Oh, soldiers at that time, you know. He was like, yes, I fought right there on that hill against the Pasnians. That's wild. And the guy who took us around, a tour guide that took us around, DeBrovnik, he was our age, so he's like 13, 14 and 91 in middle school as his city is being bombed. But it's pretty wild history. But, okay, the Adriatic Sea.

I think this probably looks just like the east coast of Italy, if you think about that rocky coast and then the beautiful, clear water of the sea. Like no sand, but you can look all the way down and see the rocks in the bottom, regardless of where you're at. It doesn't matter how deep it is. You see all the way to the bottom. It's like so clear.

and the culture is a boating culture This is like a water culture Because there's no waves There's no waves Right And everywhere you look There's like steps that have been built To go down into the water

Or like oh here's a little platform And there's people It's I don't know what it is This is another There's these things that I learn about myself As I get older They're these aesthetic combinations

of things like these settings. Again, we talked about an East Coast University. Yeah. There's something about that. I'm like, there's something special about it. I know, it's separate. I know, but if you could put it all together.

A botanical garden of any kind is very attractive to me. Botanical garden make me horny. You know, like, but like... No, it probably makes you peaceful. Yeah, yeah. And there's something about... Botanical garden. These beautiful...

I mean, we could have a whole line of things that, yeah. When I say horny, I'm talking about a cosmic horniness. I'm not talking about just a simple sexual arousal. I'm talking about a cosmic soul arousal. Botanical garden make me cosmically horny. There are things that make me cosmically horny, and the Adriatic Sea has been added to the list. It is so beautiful.

The gentle invitation of steps leading into crystal clear waters. I'm not one of these... Make me cosmically horny. I'm not one of these anti-sand people. I know there's a lot of anti-sand people that don't like the beach. That's a good point. It's a lot of people.

A lot of people don't like the sand. Ocean, sands, beach people. Yeah, that's confusing. I know what you mean by sands, but it's hard to understand. Sands, sand, ocean people. But I don't mind the sand, and I actually don't mind the waves, but I realize that as I'm categorizing cosmic horniness and my response to different beaches,

that no waves, crystal clear water, and rocks. That's where it's at for me, man. And the first place that we stayed was the island of HVAR, H-V-A-R. Yes, yes. And this is... Jenna, you know about this? Yeah, I've been there.

Because Jenna did a whole cruise along the coastline. So she's been to at least all the places I'm going to... Well, I haven't... I didn't go to Dubrovnik. Oh, really? I'm very excited to hear about that, yeah. Okay. Okay.

Well, he's going to talk about Bavar first. Bavar. First. Yeah. And almost like, Bavar. Like, it's H-V-A-R. Like, they, you know, Croatian, I don't, didn't, I didn't learn any of it. It's hard.

I was like, I don't know if this is going to be worth it for a week. Yeah. I don't know if this is worth it. It's very complicated. It's very specific. Is it crinkly in the mouth? It feels a little Russian, if that's what you mean. Okay, yeah.

And that's what we Americans do. We, if you have a, if you have some in there, we just think it sounds Russian, you know. If there's some gutturalness in it. And there's a little bit of that. But as far as I could tell, there's very little like, romantic language influence where it's like, oh, I just heard a word I understood.

It was like, I didn't hear any words I understood. Kind of the way that I might hear in Italy or Spain or something like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's just, Just my anecdotal experience. But this... You stayed on the island or visited? So the place that we stayed for the first three nights was the island, which is the...

There's a bunch of islands, thousands of islands off of the coast of Croatia, and the majority are uninhabited. But this is the largest and pretty severely inhabited island. And it has the cities that are on... Like one of the cities that's on this island, at least the claim, if I recall correctly, is like this is like one of the oldest cities in all of Europe that's been there for a really long time, like started as like a fishing village. And so you go, we actually stayed in this little town called Starrygrad, which was where our hotel was, which is on the other side of the island from where like all the action was.

This is a party culture, by the way. And Var is very, we got a lot of people coming from all over the world on boats and just getting hammered. On shore or on their boats? Both. Both. And there's definitely like a club type vibe, which is not really my vibe. Like, yeah, club don't make me horny.

A lot makes a lot of people horny. Club don't make me horny. Yeah. And they're spilling out to the streets. I'm a botanical gardens guy. And, well, we weren't even really, we were just told mostly, and we saw them all these young folk coming in on the cruise ships, because the cruise ships. because the cruise ships descend on these towns

and then just vomit people out and then they go into all the restaurants and everything and it gets a little overwhelming. But the thing that I did the first day when I got there was I saw that, so we were in this hotel that was kind of up on a hill and there was a road and then there was a pathway and I could see the Adriatic there behind me

and I got down there and there was just a little path along the coast that just goes forever and there are these little places where there'll be like little steps that go down into it. And the first time I did this, I just did it barefoot. Not advisable. I got a little cut. I got a little cut on dive one.

And after that. Oh, because you're talking about in the water. You swam with shoes. I just had a bathing suit on, yeah, the first time. And, you know, it's rocks. You can catch yourself on rocks. And everybody has these little water. which I just had Tivas or Tevas depending on where you're from that I would I just

wear to then go down and kind of get in the water. But Jesse got multiple videos of me swimming with a very big smile on my face because it was like it's cool and cold and clean and clear and there's a buoyancy to it because it's so salty. So you're it's not quite like dead sea saltiness. That's not even close I don't think but it's very salty. Did you employ any of your free diving and go down? So we did a little, we did two boat trips. And the first day we did a boat trip. This is the second day we were at Havar,

and we had signed up for this boat trip to a few different islands. And, you know, I've been watching the boats out there, and it seems super calm. It seems like a lake. But the morning that we wake up to do the boat, trip they're like we're gonna pick you up a little bit later because it's a little bit rough out there today and I'm like okay you get you get it CC let's take some drama I mean yeah and we go we meet our our captain and he was like um things were a little bit uh there's

quite a storm on on the other side of the islands a day near split which is where we had flown into I was like okay interesting I hadn't been on the internet I hadn't seen anything I'll come back, that's an important detail. We get in the boat, and this is a small speedboat, essentially. That has, like, a cover to keep you out of the sun, but this is, like, something you would take on Jordan Lake. This is not, like, a big boat. This is a boat that could comfortably hold six people.

Okay. And we start going, and this dude is going fast, and we are getting thrown all over the place. And Jesse's looking at me like, can you believe this is not fun? We're paying for this? Oh, no. And the kind of thing where you're going along

and you're all of a sudden, you're like, bam, like the boat will leave and come down and slam down. And then we were like, can we slow down a little bit? Oh. And it's like, asking questions, like, when are we going to stop? How far until the first stop? And what we did not know is that on the other side of the island,

on the other side of the island in split, there was an historic storm that, with a hundred mile per hour winds, a hail storm flooding the streets, blowing trees over. It, like, ruined the football stadium with the hail that broke through. And it was like all over the internet when we got back. Like, TikTok, all these clips of like,

this is the crazy thing that's ever happened in this town is what people were saying. And we were on the other side of a pretty small island, just on a boat, having no idea that this was happening. Was he trying to go fast to make it better? you know he's I think they've lost their sense boat boatmen have lost their sensitivity yeah they didn't know that we're land land people but we did end up stopping at a little cove and there's all these little coves and there'll be a little village that had set up shop there and the you know this this building was built in the 1400s and it's still there and they had snorkels and put them on and the thing that I realized about myself is that I have a very specialized mask that I use when I scuba dive that is, like, super tight and holds my face really well.

And also, I shave right here a little bit to get a space for the mask to fit under my nose so it doesn't fill up. And if I've got just random boat mask and I haven't shaved, as soon as I go down, it starts filling up with water. And so that started happening, so I wasn't able to really do the snorkel thing to any great effect.

Well, you need to bring your mask from now on I would if I had a thought about it I didn't know from now on I didn't do any research I didn't really understand what I was about to experience you know the vacation snuck up on me things got a little crazy

I'm just saying but I think that diving would be great there and I think that scuba diving would be great there it has to be with that level of clarity as clear as it is yeah but then we had a boat trip plan for a couple of days later

and Jesse was like let's cancel that she nervous and I said you know what baby the storm will be gone I think that it's going to be better, and when we went out the next time, it was absolutely beautiful. We took, and this is after we had gotten to DeBrovnik, and we went to, there's three islands. It's like the call the three something Elephonte Islands, or I don't know, it's not Elephonte, but that's what it is in my mind. And there is one island called Lopud, L-O-P-U-D, and it's just this tiny island that, again, has,

been inhabited for probably 1,000 years. And there's all these little, there's a church there that's been in a monastery that's been converted to like a hotel. We didn't stay there. We just stopped there.

And it's called like 1438, which is the year that it was built is the name, now the name of the hotel that's been like converted into this like boutique hotel. We walked around that island and there was a botanical garden.

Uh-oh. On the island. So I kind of got a two for one. There was not a university was not an East Coast University there but it was totally beautiful and we kept saying oh it'd be cool to come back here

maybe stay at that place and I don't I mean it's one of those things that I always struggle with whether or not you go back to a place or you find a new place but so we were kind of like having that conversation

as we were going you know it's one of those things where it's like instead of just enjoying being there you're like talking about whether or not you're going to come back which is really hard to not do when you're on vacation. Then we, so, but let's talk about Dubrovnik because it gets a bit fascinating.

So this is this walled city where they filmed all of this Game of Thrones stuff. And you can see why, once you get there, and the city is centuries old, again, like Middle Ages built. And it is small enough that you can walk around the wall and you know an hour okay and but there's a bunch of houses and shops and cast old castle parts and stuff that are inside the walled city and again you

know on the list of things that made me horny walled cities oh you remember when we went to was it Antib yeah but it was called St. Mark or some St. Marks some other walled city in the middle of France just like out of nowhere in France there's this walled city And then Jesse and I went to a walled city in Portugal. And I love them. Again, it has this like, we're here, we're safe. There's nooks and crannies, the nooks and crannies.

Yeah. I love them. And it's so compact that everything that was is now being utilized. They didn't, you know, it's not spread or... It's still pretty homogenously ancient feeling. Yeah, and I just have this... I want to, like, get in the wall. I want to go into, not just the shops,

I want to go into the houses of the people who live above the shops in these old places, you know? Well, that ended up happening because... You got invited into a house? So we met our... We decided to do a little historical tour

of DeBrovnik, the, you know, old city in the wall, not the Game of Thrones tour. I just instinctively kind of felt like that was going to be an insult. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. And it turns out, boy, was I right about that.

So, Marin, our tour guide, shout out to Marin. He meets us, and he's just a super smiley, laughy, chatty guy. And I just immediately liked him. And what we started noticing is that he couldn't go 10 feet without somebody saying something to him. Hey! Like, talk, some exchange or whatever. And I'm like, who is this guy? And then Jesse was like, you're like the mayor, huh?

And he was like, well, I am a representative. And so it turns out that this guy is on like the city council of the old city. And he was like, I have a protest today at 2.30. Oh, protest. So we then get to know this guy. And it turns out that there's a thousand people that live full time. in the city. And, you know, they all work in the industry there at this point because...

Tourist industry. Right. And he lives in a house that his dad bought or grandfather bought many, many years ago that is like above one of the Game of Thrones stores. Okay. Right above the store. And so we're kind of, he didn't, he wasn't like actively wanting to like talk about this, but you know my wife was there. Yeah. You talked to Jesse about a protest.

Yeah. She's going to start asking you all kinds of questions about what is it. How can we be a part of it? And so what we ended up finding out is that the, there's a contingent of locals who, while they obviously appreciate the fact that. tourism fuels a lot of the economy. You know, before Game of Thrones was filmed there, like it was still a cool place to go and it was a cool place to live.

And now you have throngs of people descending on this Wild City simply because it was where Game of Thrones was filmed. And so all this merchandise, all these stores, all these people taking pictures, all in the steps, people walking down the steps, people videoing women walking down the steps of shame or whatever. Naked?

All of them naked. And then you started seeing that his contention and the people who live in there and the thing that they're trying to get the mayor to understand is that, you know, this may be King's Landing to you, but this is our home. And the signs say things like that. So I don't know specifically what the talking points are. If it's, hey, we need less cruise ships stopping here. or we need to regulate how many people are coming in here.

We need to regulate how many places can. I don't know what, it's like we need to take into account the fact that the tourism is taking away from the quality of life to the people who live there. It's the gist. And so. Because again, it's a walled city. There's nowhere to go.

Once that becomes like the thing, then you're starting adding Peter Dinklage statues. Yeah, right. I mean, I'm not going to comment on how big or small they are, but they weren't there before. Life size. And the thing is, is you kind of get it, right? You're like, I mean, this thing that this guy.

You felt good about not signing up for that tour. Yeah, oh yeah. Not just because of how great the experience was, but because you weren't perpetuating this eye roll-ish. And it'll die down a little bit, but, I mean, not complete. He didn't, he wasn't like anti-game of Thrones as he was giving the tour, he would, but he could tell that we weren't interested.

and asking in those questions, and I think he liked that. Yeah. We were much more interested in the history of the city and, like, him talking about, I was here for a war. That's great, an actual war, not one in a book that George R.R.R. Martin made up.

Uh-huh. So the, so then the symbol of the town, the campaign for the town is like, it's like a P and then an arrow like, going into the P to make an R, I should know what that means, but I wasn't thinking about it.

But on all their signs, they had replaced the arrow with a dick. Like the protesters were basically riffing on the city symbol, basically saying, you want more stuff to come here and really you're just fucking all of us. Like that was the, it was a great, yeah, it was great. So when they came by, when the protesters came by after our tour and we took some pictures, which I will be showing now. Okay.

There was a canopy held by four people and then this pillow underneath the canopy, like suspended underneath the canopy. And it said like something like the mayor's plan or something like that. And then on the canopy is just a dildo. The mayor's plan? I don't know. Again, I don't know Croatian, so I don't know what it said. I'm just inferring here. It's just like whatever your city plan is that y'all are trying to do, we, the people, are saying that we're being fucked by this dildo.

So we like getting involved in a little political unrest. A little little anti-tourism. Yeah, yeah. Wild being a tourist. But not of Game of Thrones. So, like, you were in a safe gray area. Yeah, well, and the kind of wild and ironic thing that was happening in my life. life at the time is I was smack dab in the middle of my own fantasy book that I am reading

that is not Game of Thrones. So I don't know if you remember. Yes, I remember. So we were the thick book. Yeah, we were on the set of Wonderhole and James, who does sound, boy, he had a book that it was so big that I thought maybe he was going to use it as a seat. Yeah. Like I thought You've told this story here. Oh, I've told that story here? You've told this story. Not here. No, I haven't told it here.

It was like a more. I just saw, I literally just saw a red comment. Oh, about how you started? Okay, then continue. I'm just saying different audience. You're reading a big fantasy book called... It's called The Way of Kings Book 1. Brandon Sanderson is the guy who wrote this. I started reading it because James was in the middle of the fourth book.

And then I was thinking, I read so much non-fiction and I read so much conceptual stuff that I almost always feel like I'm studying for a test and I was like, I don't want my break to be me studying for a test. I want it to be like mindless reading

like a fantasy world where nothing is happening that's actually happening. And I didn't want to do science fiction because sometimes that makes you think too much. So I'm trying to think less. but I did bite off a lot 1,200 pages I think is the first book

and I don't know why I decided to do that but James was in the fourth book and then I started talking to my brother Cole and he is in the middle of the third book and he's like yeah it's really good I think you'd like it and he's read a lot of fantasy over the years and so

I bet you I would like it I mean you read Game of Thrones so I think you'd like it now I will say it is not raunchy it is it doesn't have it has a lot of the intrigue and the magic and it's really interesting and edifying in a weird way but it is um it's wholesome it's family friendly all right i'm fine with that well i'm just saying if you i mean i don't know they don't say the f word in it if you're into that kind of thing it's not my fantasy books that i don't know no no i mean i read a 1200 pages in it and nobody made love, that I could tell. But you made it through. I did make it through, but I was in the middle

of reading this thing, and as I was telling Jesse, you know, when George R.R. Martin sat down to begin writing this Game of Thrones series, there's no way, of course, the furthest thing from his mind is that I am going to, by writing this successful series, I'm going to have a tangible impact on this entire part of the world where they just choose to film the live action version of what I'm writing. No one thinks that, and it's fine.

It's like, it's not his fault. And it's not even necessarily a bad thing. It's just something that has to be managed. It's something that any city that decides to let somebody film someplace, they got to take into account. It's like the Breaking Bad Lady's house. Right. You got to take it into account.

You got to be ready. You got to be ready just in case it's one of these once-in-a-lifetime successes that people are going to create pilgrimage sites out of. And you never know if that's going to happen. But it's just a fascinating thing to think about. When I read this series, which I do recommend, I mean, I'm enjoying it.

I'm in the middle of the second book. Now, boy, I can't imagine this being a movie or TV show. It's one of those things that... Oh, someone's trying to... Oh, I know they're trying, but the magic in the world and some of the specific things that happen, it would just be so much CGI stuff. It's the only way that you could do it, and I could just imagine it would just end up not working. I don't know. I'm sure they can figure it out. They can do a lot. But that's just what I thought is like, maybe this should just be a book. Maybe this should remain a book. Well, I'm intrigued. So we did that second boat trip was much more enjoyable. One of the things that people kept telling me is they would say things like,

Michael Jordan is here. Steph Curry is here. Apparently lots of other people were there at the time. Yachts. Michael Jordan in his big yacht. Steph Curry in his big yacht. This is a place where, I guess, NBA players pull up in their big yachts. Apparently, maybe eat at one place.

Apparently, Mr. Bezos had stopped his yacht at one of the places before his wedding and had dinner at this one restaurant that we then made sure to not eat at. But the, so it is a, it is quite a hot spot of tourism. And like I was telling you, I think that the idea of, I see how you can be like, get a group of people to get on a boat like you did the cruise thing jena i did yeah it was a catamaran um there were there was like a fleet of maybe 15 catamarans from like a two bedroom to four i was on a four bedroom with a few other girls yeah i mean it's it's the coast itself is so beautiful and again that's all i saw because we started in split of our we take the trip down to de brovding that was

the whole time we were there and Croatia has basically come in and they have the entire coastline that Bosnia was about to have, I guess. It's just basically, in the same way, like, Chile, like, has the whole coastline instead of Argentina on that West Coast. It's kind of similar set up there. Maybe that's why Bosnia attacked them in the 90s, but it's just a super, super beautiful place. Were there people driving, like, Ferraris and McLaren's around, like it was Monaco or something? It's not where we were. I know that that probably,

it probably was a case in some places, but this is a- You didn't see Michael Jordan. This is a nice boat culture. Very nice boats. Like you get, we, when we were in Dubrovnik, we stayed a little bit south of the town in this little cove.

And there's all these restaurants that are like, boom, right on the water. And then there's just these multi, multi-million dollar boats that have just set up right there that are like really nice houses that have their own staff. Like, blowdeck, that reality show. You know, that level of, okay,

there's 10 people who work on this boat and there's people on vacation or just like a rich family or something. People like sitting there eating their dinner on the back at this table that like overlooks the water. That's kind of the culture there for the tourists. See, I would have hoped to have met somebody in the restaurant that then would have invited me back on their boat.

Because, you know, they get bored out there on their, like, fancy mega yachts. They got everything they need except... Link, except me, baby. Interesting companionship for the night. Yeah, I tend to... And I don't mean it like that in that way. Yeah, I don't invite myself to parties like you do. I would be on...

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The thing I told you that I didn't end up finishing telling you is that Marin actually let us go into his house. Oh yeah. We didn't even ask. He was like, you want to go into my home? Because he could tell we wanted to. So we went into his house that has just been there forever, and it's been in his family for generations.

And then there's all this, like, incredible art that he just, like, I think his grandfather or mother or somebody was an artist, and it's just kind of up on the wall. So that was very cool to be like, you're in the, we're like in the old city right now. And there's a Game of Thrones store right now there. That's where Jesse and I got the pictures outside of the window of each other. Oh, okay.

So Croatia was great. I recommend it. Swim in the Adriatic Sea. Put that on your bucket list. But then... Comedering a yacht. That's what I'm going to do. You should have...

I would have... I would have to figure out how to make that part happen. Yeah, I didn't meet anybody that was on one. I saw somebody die. Go on. Can I tell you that story?

Yeah, man. I mean, it was from a distance. It was from a very long distance, and I didn't know they were dying until the next day. But I don't know the circumstances, but somebody fell on the water one night, an American woman, and there was like an ambulance and cops and all this stuff,

and there was just people standing around somebody who was on the ground. And I was like 50 yards away as we were walking. I was like, oh, something going on. And then the next day, Jesse's talking to another woman that was staying in our hotel, and she was like, I don't know what happened, but they got that woman out of the water and they couldn't get her to come back. Oh, God. Because the paths are such that you could, if you were like tipsy or something, you could fall in?

100%. Like, there's no railings anywhere. There's just like concrete and then it just drops off into the water. So I could see how that could happen in multiple places. But, again, I don't know any of the circumstances of what happened. That was quite a note to end on. I saw a lot of people live. There you go.

Mostly. Everyone else you saw live. I saw mostly living people. So then I go to North Carolina to the cabin. This is the first time that Jesse and I have stayed at our place since she has gotten it the way that she wants it, which is also the way that I want it. And this is the first that... Architectural Digit. That's right.

This is the first time. I just found something. I felt something underneath my shirt and it was like crust stuck to my chest hair. And it really... Wased it? It really hurt to put it out. What is that? That's probably a shower bugger.

Sometimes they'll come out and get on your chest hair. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Well, you just found it. And then I pulled it through the shirt and I pulled out a bunch of chest. I'm sorry for you, Link. Sorry. There was something about showing up at the place.

up at the place and not having to kill a million yellow jackets and not having to do a bunch of work on the house, which has been the case every other time we've ever gone there, but to just literally have a place of calm and peace and connection. We brought Sean and Barbara with us, and our mornings consisted of getting up when we wanted to, without an alarm clock, getting a cup of coffee, going and sitting on the porch

that looks out into the woods with the dogs out there. I've got my book, which I'm reading it on an e-reader. I'm not taking around the doorstop. And reading, talking, sweating. Hearing the, sweating, yes. Hearing all the crazy birds that are out there in the trees. there's a little hummingbird that would come visit every morning and look at us

and then go up into the trees and Sean and Barbara are out there where the Sean acquainting himself with the faint reflection of me in the window of the house and then growling at it. He never quite put together that it wasn't me. It's a shadow version of me

and a shadow version of himself that he has beef with. Oh. At least he sees his reflection. But this is the first time that he's, you put him in front of a mirror, it's like it's too clear for him. Too real.

But there's something about the, like, faint reflection of a window. Okay. I discovered a new pastime. Can I ask one thing about the dogs? They go into the backyard and you just let them, like, they wouldn't run into the woods

and not come back? No. Well, I mean, the funny thing about Sean, because Jade Wood. Especially. I was like, all right, guys, do your business.

Open the door. They go outside. they go, they had a couple of spots where they would do their business. They're kind of figuring out, like, I just wanna go to this spot or whatever. Mm-hmm. As soon as Sean finishes his business,

he goes back back to the door. He's like, I don't like it out here. Too hot. Barbara will start wondering deeper into the woods or like slowly, and she doesn't like to respond to you. Mm-hmm. She's just like, I'll come back when I want to. I'm not going anywhere, don't worry about me.

Yeah. And then eventually she turns around and comes back, but no, there wasn't a problem. And they really, they like it. quite a bit. We did take them on a walk one day that we went into town

and kind of took them on a walk and because Jesse always thinks that they need to get out more and I'm always trying to convince her that they're happy and fine. They're little dogs and they move around a whole lot

and they take them out and they don't, I don't have like a black lab that needs to run around all the time. So, and Sean proved this because we get out there and he starts pant they both start panting but Sean was doing the thing where like any spot of shade

he would like go to and just lay down completely and like he's starting to foam at the mouth we had to like stop and get him water from a restaurant and he's just like get me the hell back inside what are you people crazy like why are we out here right now you had to carry him and I will say it was hot as hell

And of course, you know, it wasn't just hot, it's the humidity. And you're just blasted with it, and you just forget that this is what it was like when you were growing up, and it rains every single day. This thunderstorm, like, every single day. So there's like water just waiting to turn into rain at all times. You get used to it after, I got used to it after a few days, and then I would like in the morning, like going out and being like,

oh, it's like stepping into a steam bath. It's kind of cool. You just go out and just shorts, you know, and there's something relaxing about it. But I play golf with Cole and my dad. My dad's 79 years old at this point. And I'm like, I try to find a really early tea time because I'm like, I don't want to take this 79-year-old man out

into this heat, is he going to make it, you know? Yeah. But I couldn't get a tea time before like 11 o'clock. So I'm like, okay, we're going to play right in the peak of the day. Let's see what happens. And my dad is tough. He's very tough. And so I wasn't really worried about him

And also he would tell me if he needed to, like, take a break or whatever. Mm-hmm. And, but we start playing, and I, we are sweating so much. Like, you just immediately sweat through your shirt. And you're just so wet. And then it rained. And it just started, it started raining. And, like, we didn't, there was no reaction to the fact that it was raining.

It wasn't like, let's go somewhere. It was like, no, this is no different than it was a second ago. You already started. Just because there's dry. hitting us. It's no different than it was. And you think that when it starts raining, oh, it'll cool it down a little bit. It gets hotter. The steam hits the cart path and it just starts, I mean, the rain hits the carp bath and it just starts steaming up more. It changes the temperature. None. I had to get up at like 4.30 one day because Sean, or Barbara was flipping out and needed to like go take a midnight dump. And this was unusual. I was like maybe she got into something and I walk out there again it's like four-ish in the morning Open the door and it's just like the same temperature that it was in the middle of the day It's just because the moisture just keeps that temperature. It's crazy and it was especially humid and high that first week a second week got a little bit better

But we're you know we're about 14 holes in to 18 and I'm like dad, I'm pretty impressed 79-year-old man playing out here with us in this heat. He said, well, we're not done yet. But he did make it. He did make it because it started hitting me. I was like, I would quit if you didn't have to play a certain number of holes.

If this was a sport where you just decided you were done, but it's not like, you gotta finish playing. You paid for it, so you finished playing. I was like, I would stop now. Did you see any Irish hairs? I did not. What about these things called cart girls? Is that what they're calling?

These things? I mean, the concept. You want to say that again? Yeah, let me say that again. These young women? What about this concept? These people. What about this concept of golf cart girls?

They're not at this course that I play. These are women that drive around on golf carts and will sell you beers. Yeah, it's a, I've noticed these. on California courses and I guess that they exist in North Carolina but I have the courses that I play in North Carolina they don't exist and they've only been on a couple of courses I played out here but yeah it is a usually a young woman with a golf cart that has been converted into a little portable convenience store with beers beers and snacks and it depends it just depends on the cart and

A little flirtatiousness for some tips. A little flirtatiousness probably goes a long way. But most of the, I don't frequent the cart girl TikTok. I do. I like it. I think it's fun. But I have seen it. It just means it's a cart girl.

I guess that is what I've seen. That's how I know about it. And she's filming her interactions with the golf carters. Yeah, making the drinks. And then there's this one girl I like because she decorates the cart based on like holidays or birthdays. I think it's really cute, actually. Well, the thing that I've noticed

is the ones that end up popping up on my feet are the ones in which... Cartboys could happen to. The guy... Why not cartboys? The guys... That's not on my feet. It's just the gals. Yeah.

I don't think it would be as effective based on the demo that's out there on the golf course, but let's see. Ladies' day. On a ladies' golf day, I feel like... That's right. Women play golf, and I've learned it's also called golf.

Yeah, that's right. That was a little Wonderhall joke. So what I've seen is the videos where they are essentially being harassed. And the thing is that you would think now it's common knowledge amongst these guys that don't have an inappropriate flirtatious interaction with this girl. She's filming herself. First of all, don't do that anyway, of course. but do you not realize that she has social media and if you do something creepy,

she's gonna, I guess maybe this is becoming something people are aware of at this point, but... Okay, yeah, I didn't know about that part of it. But no, no cart girls were out there. I think it was, I think this course is too hot. Too hot for cart girls. I mean, not that they can't take the heat, I'm just saying it was too hot for the golfers, too.

Oh, you're saying they can't take the heat? But I, so the last thing that I will say, First of all, North Carolina, the more that I go back and I go back in a, this is my home capacity. Yeah. The more I enjoy it. Of course, I got to see you all my family. But we also, Jesse and I got just to spend a lot of time,

just the two of us and the dogs, just taking it easy. I had an incident. There was two quick things. One night we were watching a TV show. in the media room that was featured on the AD Open Door, the one that we had the argument over whether or not there should be, I wanted it to be just a big TV

because it's less trouble, and she wanted the projector screen set up. It's the projector screen set up. And because there were so many thunderstorms, you know, it's not unusual for the power to go out. So we're sitting there watching a show and the power goes out. And as soon as the power goes out,

I hear voices outside. Now, you know where our house is and how far back. It's isolated. It's isolated. It's isolated. You hear. Living out here.

You hear voices after the power goes out and you think, somebody just cut the power off and they're out there. That's what I'm thinking. But the voices are coming from behind me and that's a bedroom. Uh-oh. There's nobody here.

So I skip over to the garage, which is right next to the media theater. I grab a flashlight and a seven iron. Oh, because I have my golf gloves. Okay. And I guess. I go outside. Like, I got like, you know, powerful flashlight, seven iron.

I'm ready for anything. And that's when I see, no, nothing, nobody. And I'm like, there's nobody out here because they would, I mean, there's no place to go. Like, I would see them if they were out here. And then I, like, go up into the neighborhood to see, Am I the only house where the powers out?

No, other houses are out. So this is a power outage and then go back in. And then what I figured out is that you've got the projector that's behind us. And it's like connected to like a Roku stick or something that's like streaming content. And because as the power is shutting down on that thing, it still has this content that is streaming in like the cache or whatever. And there's sound that plays, but it's just coming from the projector as the projector dies.

And so the sound that you've been hearing in front of you now becomes this muffled voice you're hearing behind you. So it was just this technological phenomenon that made me think that somebody had sabotaged my power. And I would have hit him with the seven iron. But it could have been explained as a ghost. It could have been. So you missed that opportunity.

You missed that opportunity. But the other thing that I experienced on this, that I have experienced in Los Angeles many times, but maybe life moves too fast out here to really enjoy it, is my dogs play fighting with each other. Such an source of entertainment for me and Jesse because Sean is so crazy. And he gets so excited and he bites Barbara

in so many different places. And she is so annoyed by it. And she starts growling and she's like fighting him off and he's just like running around, like he gets a running start, he goes between her legs, he fights, like he bites, like grab a little hair, and next to face, and I feel a little sorry for Barbara, but we enjoy this so much.

It hit me that I think that this is how dog fighting started and now I feel guilty. It's like the cute version, so you're, I think you're okay. I know, but what I'm saying is, am I, is this inevitably leading to? and me getting involved in the dog fighting ring. Is that what's gonna happen? No, you're not gonna Michael Vick all of a sudden.

Well, yeah, I don't want to, trust me. I definitely do not wanna do a Michael Vick situation. I'm just saying, if I continue to give in to this desire to watch my dogs fight, play fight, get some chicken. Okay, so now you want me, you want me to get into chicken fighting. It's not dog fights. I was just saying, I was entertained by dog fighting

on my vacation. It's like, clip that out and put it. it on the internet. That's what I've learned about myself, is that, is that. My dogs do that. I'm not gonna say dog fighting make me cosmically horny. I'm not gonna say that. I don't.

But it was one of the things that I've learned about myself and my wife that we enjoy a good dog fight as long as it's our dogs and it's not a real fight. Yeah. Dog wrestling, you might call it. Your dogs do this? They do that, yeah. Have you explored the level of how entertaining it can be?

Because again, and they do this in LA, but... They don't do it that often. There's something about these morning fights that they would have. They're pretty even. They're pretty even with it. Well, Barbara can take him out. He's like a little gnat. But she doesn't see...

But she's just annoyed by him. She'll scream at it a little bit. Yeah, he's having fun. She's annoyed. Both of my dogs, they're more having fun, but it doesn't last long because they get worn out. These go quite a bit. Yeah.

Go quite a bit. A few rounds. I bet Sean could go. You get footage? Oh, you know what? Jesse probably did. Oh, yeah, see if we can throw some footage in it. So let me just say, at the end of the day,

this was a much-needed break. I came back enthused for what it is that we dused. There was a lot of reflection that took place, a lot of note taking slash introspective journaling like I picked that habit back up

that had slowed down a little bit and it greatly accelerated during this time which is always a sign that I'm actually you know processing things and the thing that I think the principle that the cheesy cliche

principle that Jesse and I kept talking about was human being, not human doing. Well, which I'm sure somebody said at some point is, and that's a very difficult thing for me to do, because even when I think about the break, you just said do. It's a difficult thing to do.

It's a difficult thing to be. Because even the breaks, when I think about a break, I think about the stuff you're gonna do during the break. That's not, not in the realm of the stuff that I do when I'm working. Yeah. And I mean, and it isn't necessarily work. Some of it is, some of it is like,

I want to connect with this person, but I can turn it into a list of tasks. Right. And as I got towards the end of this break and realized that there's so much of it that I hadn't accomplished, and there was so much just being that I had done. But then I started looking at all the stuff that I had written down

and the things that I had sort of realized, conclusions I'd come to, conversations that me and Jesse had had. I was like, oh, this was really important, and I've got to get to a place where I can set this mentality in motion earlier in the trip rather than having to take an entire month to realize it every time. Like, what would it be like to be like?

The day comes for a break, and it really is about being and not doing. But I'm getting there, and I got there by the end of it, and then I had to come back and do some stuff. That I'm very, very excited about doing, by the way. Yes, which makes me think of, I'll plug Wonderhole one more time. Remember to watch that.

Thanks for sharing your break. I feel actually a little relaxed, having heard about it. All right, we'll talk at you next week. um yeah we we've got a lot that we want to let you in on about uh wonderhole and uh everything everything that we uh poured into that so anxious to get that out into the world and start getting reactions from a mythical beast including you so do it on the society and uh on youtube every sunday all right bye bye You go, Lincoln Wrette.

Yeah, I just said that. I heard you on the radio this morning. 10-10 wins on 92-3 FM, New York, dude. It means you really made it. Congrats, yo. Love you guys. Peace.