Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - We Respond to Tough Feedback | Ear Biscuits Ep.405

Episode Date: December 4, 2023

Feedback can go a looong way. In this episode, Rhett defends his stance on pomegranates to a listener, Link gives a tell all on his… aggressive showering methods, and the pair discover a strange way sailors are trying to defend themselves from orcas. Plus, a look behind the entertainment curtain, that may have you all putting some opinions to rest. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Rhett And I'm Link, this week at the round table of dim lighting We gotta respond to some voicemails that have been sent our way They've been building up Yeah, there's some disagreements With things that You said And you said I can take it I can take it

I don't know if there's any Disagreements or anything I've said And Well we We screened those for you To protect your self image Thank you

Thank you for that I just came from the dentist Thanks for noticing Oh How deep did it go? There was some scraping, but... Back of the throat? Everything was fine.

All the way back around the wisdom teeth. Just a cleaning? Yep. He tells me the same thing every time. You know, only 5% of the population still has their wisdom teeth. And you're in the lucky minority. You need to say, you tell this to me 100% of the time that I come here.

It makes me feel special. Like I'm in the 95th percentile. Do you get a good report? I get a good report. No cavities, no... But is he like, does he ask like skeptical questions like, you flossing every day?

No. Do we go to the same guy? The guy in the house? Do you go into like a bungalow to get your teeth cleaned? You would know it if you did. You'd like have to drive through to the back and park and then. I was about to say, it is a little bit of like a duplex-y kind of thing. No, this is like a cottage.

We used to go to the same dentist and then we both left to go to a new dentist and I went to the dentist that my kids had been going to. Yeah, we parted ways. Because I have a small mouth the size of a child. So it's easy for them to kind of keep... They don't have to do too much switching with the equipment and stuff. But listen to what happened to me because I was kind of embarrassed by this. Oh.

I get the good report. I get up. My teeth are nice and pearly, and I leave, and I go to the checkout to schedule my next appointment six months from now. And the woman behind the glass is is um you know ringing me out well i got out my phone and we scheduled that's the proper term we scheduled the appointment for six months from now and she says and you have an outstanding balance um christy and lando their health insurance went through but you still have to pay, I don't know, $57.

And I was like, okay. And then I reached down, and I had my phone, and I pulled out my wallet, and I sat it on the counter behind her and her screen. She wasn't ready to take the card. I don't really remember what happened. The next thing I remember. I have no idea what you're about to say. You could go so many ways at this juncture. Next thing I remember, I'm on my phone reading a message.

Like all these messages started coming in and I'm reading a message and it's a long message you got it too i'm like reading i'm like okay business mode i'm reading i'm reading i'm reading i'm reading i'm reading and at a certain point it just occurs to me that i've been standing here reading my phone for who knows how long. You got lost. I just, I was just standing there doing work on my phone. And then I like look up and I look over the glass at the woman and she's faced completely away from me

on another computer, just doing all the work. And then I look over to the right and there's a sign right there that says, would you please not use your cell phone, refrain from using your cell phone while at the dentist office in the line here. And so apparently this sign went up because I'm not the only one who gets on their phone. She could have put the sign up while you were doing your work, though. We don't know. You don't know how long you were under. In the 20 minutes that I was standing there.

She's like, I'm going to put this sign up. I'm going to nail it to the wall. I'm going to turn around and start doing another job. Because I looked up. I was like, I kind of came to, and I was like, wow. I'm still here. I've been standing here a long time, and now she's working on something else, and then I'm just kind of like looking at her, looking at the sign, looking at the back of her head now. Right.

And I just felt like I didn't have the right to say. Did you make like a clicking sound? Excuse me, I'm ready whenever you are. I didn't say anything. You just walked out? I just stood there embarrassed. And then she finally turned around, and I picked up the card. The card was on the counter, and my wallet was on the counter,

but it was behind her screen, and I don't think she could see it. So what I, in my defense, what I thought was I took the card out, and then I was waiting for her to ask for it, to take it. And then when she didn't, I don't know how I got on my phone, but there I was on my phone forever. And so she turned around. I held up the card. She said, okay, thank you. And then she.

Finally. Yeah. She didn't make eye contact with me And I think she was kind of over me Well what else did you do? I signed the receipt And then What else did you do to make her get over you before

I think that was it Just being on my phone for Okay A really long time I thought you were going to say Well before that let me tell you what I did Oh okay No

So I was embarrassed that the sign was there. But she had adopted this thing. It's like, hey, if you're going to be on your phone working or whatever you're going to do, I'm just going to go about the rest of my business. I'm not going to sit here and wait for you to get off your phone. It's a smart policy. So it's kind of, I don't know, it felt a little passive aggressive, but at least it wasn't aggressive.

It was mostly just passive. Excuse me. And I was embarrassed, but nobody really lost. There was nobody behind me in line. You got a little work done? I got a little work done, yes. Standing there right in front of someone else getting work done. Yeah.

Yeah. So... I think your job well done. Okay, good. Now, if there was somebody behind you. I felt guilty about it. It would feel very different. I felt really stupid about it the whole way in. You know, it's like, because I don't want to, obviously they care about it.

They put the signs up. That's a strong, it's a big move. It's a big move to put the sign up. I don't know if I've seen, I don't know if my dentist has a sign. Well, when you pull out your phone to do anything, then you're in this danger zone of getting sucked in for everything And I pulled out my phone to do the scheduling And I think that's what happens to people

And she just got tired of it She was like, you know what? Instead of sitting there waiting or glaring Or like clearing my throat Or saying, I'm ready when you are Or excuse me, or trying to be polite to someone Who, in her opinion, is probably being rude, she just said, you know what? I have some clarity here. I can just go about my work.

You might be on a list now, though. I will say that. I know. Next time I go in there, there's gonna be a picture of me printed off. You know how they'll do that for shoplifters? Yep. Have you seen this man? I'm the phone lifter. This man will work for 20 minutes oblivious to the fact that this is not his office. I really feel like an idiot. I've got to go in in two weeks. A very clean-teeth idiot.

I'll be on the lookout to see if my dentist has a sign. Yeah, man. And if they don't, I'll ask them why. And I might have to fake what I'm going to do if they don't have a ask them why and i might have to i might have to fake what i'm gonna do if they don't have a sign what you're going to do is i'm gonna have my phone and when they when i'm checking out i'm gonna take my wallet out i'm gonna put it on the counter and then i'm gonna get my phone and i'm gonna wait to see what happens in my dentist good and then if they say excuse me sir sir first i'm first I'm going to ignore them

because I have to let it sit in a little bit, set in. You're trying to motivate them to make a sigh. Right. And then if they say, excuse me, sir, I'll be like, I heard you the first time and I was just doing this to let you consider what it would be like if I had not done this on purpose as an illustration. What? Okay. You do that. My best friend's dentist, they have a sign that says,

do not be on your phone back here, or something probably worded better than that. And I think maybe y'all should consider that because how did that feel? Not great, right? Yeah, you're doing them a big favor. Yeah, let me know how it goes. Okay, I'll report back.

I don't get a great report. I want to say I'm not excited about going to the dentist because I went, you explain this. You've been to the dentist. You explain this. Very fresh, yes. I tell you. I am ashamed to say that for many, many years, no floss at all. Except for when I went to the dentist.

Yeah. Also, for many, many years, I didn't even brush my teeth at night. I brushed my teeth in the morning. And you know what? Every time I went to the dentist, they were like, great, no cavities. And I was like, oh, yeah, I've got like my dad's teeth. Okay. He is. In a jar.

Yeah, he's never had a cavity. I think he's had one cavity and he's like 76 years old or whatever. And so then something changed. And I think it was pre-pandemic because a lot of people who went back to the dentist after the pandemic had like buildup, you know, because they hadn't had a professional cleaning in like a year and a half or so.

I remember you mentioning this. But I went. There was a turn for you. And they were like, you've got a lot of buildup and you need to come back every four months. And so then I was like, hold on. I was like, I've never been chastised at the dentist.

And I'm like, okay. And so I became little dental boy, and I am fully committed. Is there a logo for that? I'm working on it. Tote bags? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I floss without fail every single night.

What? Every single night. Shame. I brush my teeth with an electric toothbrush. It's effective. Well, it's not just shame, it's the fact that they were like, you gotta come back every four months,

and I would go back after four months, and they were like, some people just have a- No better. Like a chemistry in their saliva that causes more buildup. You got your dad's teeth, but your mom's saliva. And I was like, what switched? Because I eat better, I take much better care of myself than I did 10 years ago.

And then they're scaring me because they're like, you know that you're much more likely to have heart plaque if you have teeth plaque. If you have a plaque problem with your teeth, you're more likely to have a plaque problem with your heart.. Like if you have a plaque problem with your teeth, you're more likely to have a plaque problem with your heart. You don't need to tell somebody you're a hypochondriac. Yeah, they're messing with your brain, man. So anyway.

So you've been all in on flossing for years now? I'd say since I went back to the dentist post-COVID. Yeah. So we're probably talking like two to 18 months. What are the results? The results are, they're like,

well, I'm glad you're coming every four months when I show up. And so this one, I'm about to do. but are they seeing an improvement? They're not like, oh gosh,

we need to do something different. They're just like, you need to keep coming every four months. And I'm like, man. So we need to do something different. They're just like, you need to keep coming every four months. And I'm like, man. So your flossing isn't helping. No, I think that it would be worse if I wasn't doing it. But this one I'm about to go to in two weeks.

Maybe it's pointless. Well, in two weeks, it'll be, I missed the four month. So it'll be like six months. You're worried. When I look at my teeth, I'm like, I don't see anything. It's like behind the teeth, you know? And I don't know. When you're done eating, do you like use your tongue

to see if there's any food in the back of your, behind your teeth? Sometimes I floss after I eat and brush after I eat because I've gotten so turned onto this particular issue. Don't worry about it, man. But basically they're like, yeah, your gums are healthy, but this could cause issues. And I'm like, well, what am I supposed to do?

Am I supposed to have a dentist on retainer? Is that a pun? Is that a weird? It became a pun. That actually started it. I had a permanent retainer in the back of my teeth, bottom teeth, and I was like, I don't need this anymore, and I asked a previous dentist, two previous dentists,

back when we were over on the other side of town. Okay. I was like, can we just take this out? He was like, yeah,'t need this anymore. And I asked the previous dentist, two previous dentists, back when we were over on the other side of town. Okay. I was like, can we just take this out? He was like, yeah, you can take it out. Your teeth will probably shift. And look what happened to my bottom teeth. I shouldn't have done it. But it was causing worse buildup.

But now my teeth are crooked. Nobody sees your teeth, Rhett. I know, but if they see any, they see the bottom. It's fine. Yeah, I don't really think about it. I'm just saying that like... It's fine, dude. If you've got a permanent retainer, don't take it out.

You're worrying too much. Yeah, but he's talking about the heart stuff, though. How's the plaque getting from the teeth to the heart? He's triggered your health anxiety. Well, I wasn't thinking about it, and you started talking. I literally wasn't going to think about it until two weeks from now. Well, listen. And now you're talking about the dentist and your sign.

I should have just gotten on my phone for that whole thing. That would have been funny. I just realized you were talking. Oh, I'm doing work over here. We're going to listen to one of your voicemails. We do want to draw your attention to something that neither of us are currently wearing, but I'm going to hold it. Okay.

I have worn it. It's very comfortable. It is the, what are we calling this officially? This is the... Let's talk about that color-blocking sweatsuit, sweatshirt, hoodie, and... Where are the pants? Do you have the pants? The pants are color-blocked like the... Yeah, the pants are like, each leg is a different color. One is this color and

one is this color. It's got the embroidered,'s talk about that on there. It's very, very soft. On the britches. Very, very stylish. Three different greens. Get you some of that. How many greens can you have?

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Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by Regency app for details. All right, let's hear this voicemail. Let's get into it. Hi, this is Emily. I have a bone to pick with you guys. You guys say that pomegranates are not a good fruit and that and no one likes them. That is my favorite fruit. The whole process is awesome. Even getting the seeds out. I just sit there and watch a video or a movie or you guys and just peel my pomegranate and at the end of that video I have an awesome treat to eat. peel my pomegranate at the end of that video i have an awesome treat to eat that whole process is good it's like knitting it's it's mindless it's awesome it's it's relaxing um so you don't go dissing pomegranates because pomegranates is my favorite fruit and it is some people's favorite fruit so just saying don't go dissing pomegranates i didn't diss pomegranates it was it was no i think it. I think it was you.

It wasn't me at all. If I recall correctly, you're the one who said that they were a horrible fruit. I'm the one who has them. It's a great fruit. Okay, let me think about this, Emily. You've been set straight. You're watching us or a movie, and you're fiddling with your fruit. You're fiddling with your pomegranate.

Yeah. It's great. It's like knitting, but the opposite. It's like unknitting a fruit. And then you have like a pile of deep red jewels to chew on. They burst in your mouth. I will say, hey, listen,

once the fruit has been presented, the fruit is magical. As I said before. The fruit is magical. The process, it slows you down. It's another way. That's the problem with it.

You can do something with your hands that's not your phone. I'm totally on this, not putting my phone in my hand anymore. Like, don't grab your phone. Grab a pomegranate. You're going to put it on a string that hangs off from a helmet? I'm keeping my pocket. How are you going to see what's on it?

I'm not. I'm going to unknit a pomegranate. I'm going to get a hat. That's a much better use of time. You need to work on your dexterity, man. I'm going to get a hat that has a flap that has my phone that hangs behind my head. And when I want to see what's on my phone, I flip my head forward and it falls in front of me and I do my business and then I flip it back so I never touch it. It could be on the brim of a hat. Yeah, it could fall down.

And it could just flop. And it could fall down on the screen. The flop phone. I think the reason that I don't relate. It's not a flip phone. You know, I respect you, Emily. I respect, you know, everyone's preferences or their preferences. I think maybe because I am not a, I don't approach food with patience.

The idea of working. Now, what I will do, I will cook food. I will cook, I will put a lot of labor into preparing food, and there is a payoff. So maybe that's how I would relate to this. But once the food is in hand... Oh, you don't want to hold a fruit but not be able to eat it? The food is in mouth very quickly. You know, chocolate milk... I'm like the Maserati of milk drinkers, chocolate milk drinkers. Like, you know, zero to gone in 2.1 seconds.

You know what I mean? Maserati milk. You cannot put a glass of chocolate milk in front of me and expect me to savor it. And listen, if you like to savor it, great for you. I'm just saying I don't have that ability, right? I like the idea of using Maserati as a verb, try that. I'm Maserati milk like it's a Monday.

I said I was the Maserati of milk, but the milk Maserati. No, but say, but try on using it as a verb. I Maseratied that milk last night. That's pretty great. I mean that- Maybe I'm a Bugatti. Isn't that even faster? I think the world's fastest car is a Bugatti.

What's something that starts with a, with a, what's a, Chevy. I'm the Chevy of chocolate milk. What's something that starts with a, what's a car that goes fast that starts with a ch sound? It's pronounced Chevy. I know, I was trying to make it work. What you got?

I got me a new Chevy. I got a new Chevy Yeah but they don't I think it's pronounced Chevy Well it ain't a S It's a CH Last time I saw that It was Chevy I think

Anytime you're gonna do something fast You're gonna find a fast car That starts with the same letter So if it's milk You're gonna Maserati that milk But if it's bread You're gonna Bugatti that bread Okay

I was trying to find the chocolate part Because I don't drink milk milk real fast milk, but if it's bread, you're gonna Bugatti that bread. Okay. I was trying to find the chocolate part, because I don't drink milk milk real fast. I'm gonna chevy that choc. Let me see, we were already there. I'm gonna chorvette that chocolate milk. I'm gonna chovel. I'm gonna chovel. I don't know how fast a chovel is.

I'm gonna trichler. I'm gonna trichlle. I don't know how fast a Chavelle is. I'm gonna Trishler. I'm gonna Trishler that chocolate milk. I found it. That's it. Trishler. But it's not... A Chrysler's not fast. But it is CH.

I bet you can find a... It's gotta be a sports car. Somebody out there... Somebody out there has a really fast Chrysler. I think you have to start with the sports car. What is the fastest Chrysler in the world? Do they make Chrysler anymore? My dad was so big on Chrysler for so long.

Yeah. So big. I mean, man. Chryslers are great if you're of a certain age. They're a horribly made car. I mean, we had, and Dodge was, you know, Dodge was the, like, dodgy offshoot of Chrysler. Okay.

And you had those too. We had the Dodge Dynasty, the second Dodge Dynasty, and the Dodge Intrepid. Your dad was very consistent in not having cavities but also buying from the same dealership. Coates Motor Company. For decades. Coates Motor Company, over there next to where your aunt used to live.

Oh, yeah. And he had a relationship. You know, like a, it was just, he was his car guy. where your aunt used to live. Oh yeah. And he had a relationship. You know, like a, he was just, he was his car guy. He always got used cars that had like, they were a couple years old, like one to two years off the model year that we were in. Okay. And.

I remember that Dodge Intrepid, man. When that thing came out. That's when I drove in college. What year was that? 96. So your dad drove an Intrepid. Yeah. That was like.

It was like a spaceship, man. For like basic Harnett County, that was a badass sedan. That was a fast looking car. It was spaceship like. Looking car. It was spaceship-like. It was like a 1997, 1998. No, 1995.

It was a 96 Intrepid. Was it? Okay, yeah. Because it came out in 95. A 96 Intrepid. It's like if Tesla had a 96 car. That's what Intrepid looks like. I would love to see one right now. I could probably look one up on YouTube.

They're all dead. They're all off market. Because is it like, it looks so futuristic. I'm going to Intrepid that. What's the food that starts with the sound, the N sound? Ensalada. Ensalada? Ensalada? I'm going to Intrepid that Ensalada. The sound, the N sound. Insalata. Insalata? I'm going to intrepid that insalata.

Dude, it was so not as cool looking as I remember. There was the one that you had right there. The gray one. Over here at least. It was big. It's, it's. It almost gets into like Crown Vic

Sort of shaping But like It stops short of a Crown Vic Yeah it's not as great as I remember it Looks like a bullet man Oh the back That's the best part You remember the back?

It kind of looked like an electric car in the back That's what I'm saying Yeah Man Like decades before an electric car in the back. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, man. Like decades before an electric car. I loved that car. The Intrepid.

That's a dog. The only electric car completely powered by gas. I think that was their selling point. So, Emily. Welcome to the future. You know, listen. Apology accepted? Is that where we're going with this? I just think it's all about what you're willing to do.

I think in your explanation, your defense of your lack of pomegranates, you highlighted why I don't like them. You got to watch a movie to get into this fruit. You know what I'm saying? You got to sit down and have another activity just to eat it. It's good to occupy your hands. I want a grape. You know what I'm saying?

Open the fridge, pop it in your mouth, you're done. You don't even have to chew if you don't want to. You need to work on your fine motor skills. Well, that's true, but I can eat a dozen. I can eat three dozen grapes without chewing one of them. Why would you do that? Just to prove a point. I wouldn't enjoy it at all.

Just to win this pomegranate argument? If you had 36 completely unshoot grapes in your stomach. You're going to swallow 36 grapes in order to win this pomegranate argument. Listen, here's what we ought to do. I'm going to swallow 36 whole grapes, and we're going to put a camera in my stomach. It's definitely going to make you win the argument. Put a camera in my stomach to do a time-lapse video of what happens to whole grapes in a man's stomach. Okay, so you're going to swallow 36 grapes and a camera to prove this point.

The camera, you could probably—I bet you they've got a camera you can swallow in these days. Yeah, well, it's—yeah. I'm a GoPro. I could probably swallow a GoPro if I had to. There's probably something half the size. Surely they got this in the medical field. I know they've got scopes they can put down there that are on a pole or something. Right.

But I'm talking like a capsule camera. A camera with a one-way ticket. Yeah, and it's got a little light. Or maybe it's infrared, I don't know. Cause you gotta, my stomach doesn't have a light i don't know i mean i'm thinking of those those hex bugs that our kids used to have and you'd like turn it on and it would like it would vibrate and it would make it kind of walk and you could like make uh mazes for it i bet you that's what it is. I can swallow that. Turn that thing on and it'll crawl right down your throat.

Crawl right out your bunghole. You know it when it's coming to. You'd just be afraid that the battery might die. You're going to get it out. One way or another. Either way. It's coming out.

Let's listen to another voicemail. Hi, guys. I just listened to the podcast where you talked about, I don't even remember, but what I did remember was Link talking about the Lufa situation. He talked about it for approximately 10 seconds. I think we need to dive more into that because it was really validating about how you waste so much time in the shower trying to get all the suds out of the loofah i didn't even know a silicone loofah

was a thing and i want to know more so yes if that could be a wreck that would be good let me know where to buy one let me know if me know if it's worth the money. Okay, thanks. Love you guys. Bye. I'm so glad you brought this back up. I'm always looking for an excuse to talk about my shower habits. Yeah.

There's always another way to optimize something that you do every single day. And when I'm taking a shower, I do want you to know that every single day that I take a shower, every single moment I'm taking a shower, I am in complete embodiment of the shower. Like I'm not, I don't have shower thoughts, except thoughts related to me taking a shower. Like I am so in the moment when I'm taking a shower. Like, I'm intensely- Your shower thoughts are literally shower thoughts. Yeah, I'm literally talking about, thinking about, now I'm washing this part of my body.

Their thoughts about showering. Now I'm washing this part of my body. Now I'm doing this, and I bet you, even though I've done this for 45 years, I can find a way to make it even better. A better shower. You think? Maybe you're like a...

You could start some sort of shower religion. There doesn't have to be a shower god, and you don't have to be the shower god. It's not a cult. Okay. But I'm saying that like... Definitely a lot of nudity involved. Think about it.

Exactly. You're naked is something you do every single day, so it's ritualistic. Yes. It involves like... Touching yourself. Touching yourself. Yeah.

It feels like it has a lot of the elements that we would need to start a cult if we were going to. It's good health results, good mental health results. People got to do it every day. You got to shower. You don't have to shower every single day, but it is a modern convention. Some people say you shouldn't shower every day.

And you shouldn't. Doctors, I saw something recently that said doctors are saying you shouldn't shower stuff that isn't dirty. Like, it's not good for your skin, especially if you have, like, sensitive or dry skin. You shouldn't just be washing everything on your body just because you're taking another shower. And I took complete offense to this.

Okay, so this is an interesting bit of information. It was counter to my... So are you saying that your shower, regardless of circumstances, is the same every time? And this is a full head-to-toe wash? Yes. Yeah, see, I've already admitted that I don't always wash my legs,

but I would also tell you that if I'm relatively clean, and it's the kind of thing that's like I could not shower, and no one would know, I still shower, but I just make sure to wash the parts that would be the first to stink. The stinky parts. Yeah. You got to wash your crotch, your ass, and your underarms. And you got to wash your face

because if you don't wash your face, you're going to start getting some acne. Wash your feet, dude. Also do that. Yeah. Yes, do that. I should probably do that. I should probably add that to the must list. If you're washing sandals.

But I will say that it hasn't been a problem. Well, you don't know that. Your nose is too far from your feet. No, I smell my shoes. I smell my shoes. I know you do. I also smell your shoes. I accept that criticism.

But what I'm saying is that, like, what are you thinking about this? The science is not on your side. I don't care. Okay, well, that's good. I didn't want to hear it. I this? The science is not on your side. I don't care. Okay, well, that's good. I didn't want to hear it. I heard it. You're starting a religion. I forgot about it.

You've got to ignore the science. Right. You start listening to the science, it's going to fall apart real fast. Just have faith in me. Yeah, there you go. I'm constantly improving my shower experience for the good of the gathering. You are welcome here. Thank you for asking.

I saw an ad on TikTok for a sud scrub, a silicone scrubber. Can I see what this looks like? Yeah. It's like a hexagonal hand-sized silicone rubber device, and there's like scrubbing fins

in like a swirling circular pattern on one side, and the other side's flat, and you put your hand through a strap, and then you scrub yourself

with it. Did you get the shower hook? I did not. I... Did you get the face scrubber? I did not click on the TikTok ad. I saw it,

I scrolled, and then I found myself thinking about it the next day, and then the next day, and then the next day. And every time I got in the shower, I started thinking about, what if I had the silicone scrubber instead of my loofah, which is one of those plastic netting, scrunchy looking things that you just, you squirt the, you know how it works. You squirt the stuff on it and you know how it works. And you, then you, you make suds and you put on,

you know how it works. But the problem is when I'm, it's, it's kind, it's almost a, it's a good abrasion, and I've always liked that. But they say, well, you need to put it – you need to throw it away every six months, and you need to wash it in your dishwasher to get rid of the bacteria. So that's in the back of my mind. But the main thing that put me over the edge to try this thing out – and again, Sudscrub, not a sponsor, was that my loofah, when I was done using this loofah, the suds are great with a loofah. The sudding factor is very high. Suds are going everywhere, all on the glass walls of my shower

to the point that when I'm done showering, I have to take the nozzle and the last thing I have to do is I have to wash off the inside walls of my shower. How hard are you loofing? To get, I'm just like. Hold on, how are you getting sucked on the walls? I'll put it to you this way. My watch is always monitoring my activity, and so is my ring.

And they both volunteer, oh, it looks like you worked out at this time. How do you want to categorize this workout? As a shower. And my phone and my ring. It's not in the app. My watch. Think that when I shower, I'm working out. Right.

Like literally. You got to call the company. We got to call Oura Ring and Apple Health and all of them and be like, y'all need to add showering to your workout. Showering. Yeah. I shower with Reckless Abandon just like I sleep. So you're saying that you're rubbing so hard.

Suds are going everywhere, and I don't want them streaking down the glass walls of my shower. So I don't squeegee it, but I do rinse it off all the way. And then on top of that, I have to take my loofah and I have to rinse it out under the water and get all the suds out. Because I think when the suds stay in it, it makes more of an environment for bacteria. And I don't even know if that makes sense, but that's just how I've thought about it. When it's sudsy, there's like soap scum buildup, which might make a home for something. You're like a character from like a Puritan novel

where there's a man who is like trying to wash his sin away every single night and they like describe the scene of him in the bath and he's like, he would vigorously rub his skin. Like you're just like trying to get like, you know what I'm saying? It's like it's so. I know it's obsessive. It's so aggressive. It is so focused.

It's like. Oh, gosh. This is why I don't like to be on my phone. This is why I like to reduce stimuli because anything that enters my life enters my brain in a way that like it, it gets trapped in there, and it just bounces around. And I don't have any more room because I shower every day, and I put a lot of energy into it, and I'm sitting there trying to get all the suds out of the loofah,

just running water over it, squeezing, squeezing, filling it with water, squeezing three, four times every single day, and I'm getting annoyed. Yeah, it seems like a problem. And I'm like, I'm gonna try this sudscrew. That's why I use my hands. This thing costs $30, y'all. That's absolutely ridiculous, it seems. And then I started looking at knockoff brands on the internet.

You didn't even get the sudscrew? $9 loofah, $6 silicone loofah. I just read all about this, though. This has got silver infused into it to keep it from the bacteria growing on it. Antibacterial. I got cold feet, and I was like, you know what? You care so much about this. Splurge a little bit.

Buy the $30 thing and see what it's like. So I bought the sudscrub for $30. Not a sponsor. And I started using it, and one thing I noticed is that not nearly as much lather as with the plastic thing. So then I had to go out and I had to seek a high lather soap independently. So I had to find a body wash that's really thick. What was your soap of choice

And what is it now? It was I can't remember what it was before It was something that smelled good That was at Target It had a red top on it Like an Had like an elephant

As the logo I don't know Can't remember But the new thing that I got Is And this makes me a little uncomfortable. Good. It's a body wash called Thick. And the biggest word on

the, I mean, the biggest word on the tube is thick. It's from Duke Cannon. Duke Cannon Thick. Because thick body wash makes more suds. Yes. It stays on the sud scrub longer and allows it to sud more. Now, I had to learn a few things.

First of all, there's a little hole in the middle of the sud scrub that invites a big dollop of body wash. Don't put it there. Don't put it there. Because it won't get scrambled up. The instructions say lather it all over in the fins. Yeah. And I have good results with that, but I wet my body.

I have to turn my water off completely. If you want a really good sud with the silicone scrub, you got to turn your water off completely. You got to use a thick body wash. So there's a moment every day in your bathroom where you turn the water off and you're standing in just a waterless shower and you're scrubbing so aggressively

that there's like suds. It's like a cartoon scene. Like going on. I can only imagine like when your wife, I'm sure she doesn't walk in when you're doing that. She tries not to. Tries not to. She'd rather see me shit, honestly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'd be easier to take. But I know you can probably hear it throughout the house. It's like... I like grunting. Like what is happening over there? Grunting, reaching. I mean, it's kind of a stretch routine.

Is he okay? To get everywhere. The results are good. And yeah, everything's nice. I like it. I wish it had a little more suds than it actually does, but there's no soap throw. I no longer have to hose.

Oh, you got rid of the so thick. It's not, yeah, it's not thick enough to throw suds against the wall. Well, you should contact Thick and make sure they add that to their advertising campaign. No matter how aggressively you scrub with our soap, it won't get on the walls of your shower. It's too thick. It's too thick. It's too heavy.

I'm a little bit... And I don't have to rinse the sud scrub nearly as much. That seems to be worth it. So I feel like I have shaved at least 45 seconds off of my shower. Every second counts, man. At least 45 seconds. That's pretty good, right? That's almost one.

How long is my shower usually? 13 minutes? Well, as long as you're quicky sex. Nothing to bring that up. I'm a little jealous of the pig soap, though. I recommend it. I have to use, because of the sensitivity of my skin, I have to use a bar soap that is a brand that I don't even know what it is.

Like, you can't have anything in it that soap usually does, so it's just like just a bar of white. You know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't smell like anything. It's the kind of thing you'd, like, put in your fridge to collect odors. Okay. You know what I mean? It doesn't, it just feels, I don't know what it is.

Does it lather? It lathers, it does lather as a soap should, but A, bar soap, so you're already a little bit, you know, you're going to fall behind in the lather department. Not necessarily. make it potentially, you know, mess up sensitive skin. It's definitely like if you went from thick to what I'm using, it would be a lot of trouble for you. I don't know how well you would adjust. Not going to happen. But it is remarkable for not causing me to break out.

Not going to happen. I wonder if I could take the sud scrub and just rub it onto the bar soap. I don't know. I understand. I understand the principle, but I don't find myself experiencing a felt need for it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, if I go to like an Airbnb or a hotel,

not an Airbnb, a hotel that's got like a fancy hotel where there's like a fresh loofah. Oh. I'll use it because I'm like, oh, this is, I think people use these. Let me see what this is about. I mean, it exfoliates and it keeps, like if you get like bumps, like on my shoulders and my back, like I'll, you know, if I don't really give attention, that's why I scrub so damn hard, honestly.

It's because I'm making sure that, like, on my shoulders and my mid-back, I don't get bumps. I mean, I would get an occasional, an occasional back zit. It's not a regular occurrence, but it does happen.

But you have, like, the red dots on your... That's not, it has nothing to do with, that's a skin. That's called, it's not acne. I know it's not acne. It's a hair follicle problem. But I think that the scrub will help that. Well, this soap helps it significantly. Like when I use a regular soap, it exacerbates it.

I think the silicone scrubber will help with it. You need one. I think I might have seen sand help with it. You need one. I think I might need sandpaper. Oh, it's soft. It's soft silicone. I might try one. When you upgrade, give me yours.

Just get one, man. Splurge. Splurge on yourself. Just splurge on yourself. $30 on something that I'm going to rub on myself every day. There you go. You're worth it, man. It'll help with your rosacea. I'm go. You're worth it, man. It'll help with your your rosacea. I'm open to it.

Whatever it's called. The thing, I don't know. I have a, I think I have a subconscious resistance to anything that,

oh, if I start doing this at my home, then I'm gonna have to have it with me when I travel. I think there's a, and I'm just like,

I'm like, I gotta, the one thing, the most self-pressed thing that I do is I think there's a sub... and I'm just like... I gotta... the one thing, the most self-pressed thing that I do is I take that soap, that bar of soap, in a plastic covered thing. That's the most self-pressed thing that I do. It's like I gotta bar of soap that I carry around in this thing that I put into a hotel and open up. You deny yourself the creature comforts just so you don't need them.

And it's, I mean, the only person that loses is you, but also me. Because then you turn it around on me as like a judgment. Like, whenever I was pulling out all the stuff in my bag, you were judging me, man. Yeah. Talking about... Because I was being, you know know i don't like to necessarily i'm glad you brought this up my lip balm the whole lip balm thing i'm just like i'm not accepting that as it as this is an entertainment podcast uh well typically i mean that's the goal is to

be entertaining uh and usually my the main thing that i'm trying to do on this podcast is just create a fun conversation. Okay. So my understanding when you break out your fanny pack is that you kind of know it's a little bit funny and ridiculous and you want me to point it out. I do. But apparently some people see- But then I wanna hold it against you.

And some people see that as me just always criticizing things that you do. And so next time you break out something, I'm gonna be like, hey man, that's you break out something, I'm going to be like, hey man, that's a really good, because I think this will be even more entertaining. If you break out something, instead of busting your balls, I'm going to be like, I got it right here. Oh, hey, how's your fanny pack going?

I really wish I had one. I still got my almonds. I have not eaten these almonds. Isn't that entertaining? Are these almonds any good anymore? Yeah, it's not. It's not as entertaining. Yeah, I want you to bust my balls, but then I'm gonna hold it against you. Okay.

Period. I mean... I'm not gonna let your entertaining criticism of my lip balm keep me from using lip balm. My lips are better because of it. Well, here's what I'll say. And you need a loofah. And you need to treat yourself. But the thing is that I'm actually not, like, I'm not, I genuinely believe that if I were to take all that from you, you would suffer. But me not having it, I'm actually, I'm not,

you don't need to worry about me. I'm not suffering. When I do those things, I'm like, oh, I can see how somebody would be into this. But when I don't have them, I don't find myself... If I was suffering, I would be... I get up every single morning and do a really annoying series of stretches for like 20 minutes every single day for the past decade. What's an annoying stretch look like?

Honey, did you take out the trash? Ugh. Here's the thing. No matter what you have to do that day, no matter where you have to go, no matter what your schedule is, having to get up and do 20 minutes of stretching, it is annoying. But the reason I do it is if I don't do it, I won't be comfortable. I am actually into comfort. All right. But I don't find not having a fanny pack an uncomfortable state of being.

Okay. But next time you break out something that's a little bit funny for the purpose of a funny bit that we'll do on this entertainment podcast, I'm just going to stop and I'm just going to encourage you. I'm going to encourage you and I'm going to be supportive because I don't want this to be a funny podcast. I want this to just be two friends supporting each other because I think that maybe that will please some people. Because I don't want this to be a funny podcast. I want this to just be two friends supporting each other. Because I think that maybe that will please some people. Yeah, let's try that. Let's try that. It's just two guys encouraging one another because that really sells. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about it, but I think I feel good about it.

Okay. Hey, man, you're looking great today. Thank you. I love your gray shirt. You know, just two guys sitting around. I accept that. Two guys just sitting around complimenting each other and encouraging them in all the choices that they make.

Because, give me something. We have another voicemail. Oh, yeah, hey! What about saying something encouraging to me? Because if you don't say it, I'll be mad, and I'll be sad, and then all the people who are worried about me will spend a lot of time worrying about me. If you don't encourage me, then people are like, why does he encourage him? This is funny. Does does he encourage him? This is funny. Does he not love him?

You're funny. The way you're tapping into irony for humor is funny. I just think he's so insecure that he has to make fun of other people because he's insecure about himself. Ah, you got me. You nailed it. Sounds like you're reading more comments than me. Sometimes I make a mistake and read.

I'm just saying. Sometimes I am. Okay. All right. Great ideas. Great humor in that moment. Oh, thank you for that. Great humor there.

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to the most recent podcast where you guys were talking about what is more of a primal experience than being really engaged in screaming in a sporting event and i have to say I think metal concerts are the way to go if you're wanting to experience that in a non sporting event because people really just like let themselves go and it's someone that's not really into metal but I recently went to my first metal concert it was a really fun experience to see people like you said get in that like primal state and really just let loose and have fun. It's super entertaining and it's definitely a safe place to kind of go a little wild. This makes sense to me. I've actually observed some, I feel like the people that I've known personally

who have been really into metal and even people who've played metal yeah tend to be some of the like most calm and well-adjusted people and then when I like see them do their thing and they're they look like they're possessed by a demon yeah I'm like this is crazy but then it's like they get it all out and so you know there was a whole satanic panic thing

and all these parents are like oh these kids are like listening to this dark music and it's gonna make them bad all the time but I think that for a lot of kids

it's like yeah I get to go and I get to do something physical and listen I'm not a mosh guy I mean that the whole idea is yeah I don't like to be, I don't want to be hit in the face.

I don't want that. Well, it's interesting that. But I get it. I get the release. She described it as a safe space, and she was being introduced into it. Backhanded into the teeth. Well, I think it's that no one there is like murderously demonic

they're all there to enjoy the music but maybe some of them they so i mean like a very very small percentage a scenario where everybody is on the same page which is it's just a cathartic release of energy. Yeah. Even, I guess, aggressive energy. Well, just think about it. That. When the right kind of song comes on, just like. I mean, it reminds me of when we would.

Hotbox is not the right word because that involves smoke, and there was no smoke or smoking involved in when we would... We'd close all the windows to the Dodge Intrepid or whatever car it was. Yeah, we would. We would turn up the heat to max. Especially when there was four or five people in the car. During the peak of summer in North Carolina. So we're talking like it's 90 degrees outside while it's dark.

Turn the heat all the way up, Play really intense music and headbang. Thrash. And for like 30 minutes all the way to Raleigh. We would get out of the car to go into the movie, and we'd be a sweaty mess. It's like, where have these guys been? Like, we would get so sweaty. Like sauna.

Like if you went into a sauna and just thrashed and head banged. It was like hot yoga. That's the LA equivalent. Yeah, that's what it was. We invented hot yoga. Yeah. Hot car yoga. There was no yoga, though.

It was metal music. Boy, those were the days. And you feel alive. You feel alive after that. Well, because when you got out of the car, even though it still might be 90 degrees outside, then it felt cool. It felt so cool, yeah. It felt cool.

It felt so cool to walk out to the Christmas night here. And we felt cool. It was the only way to make North Carolina in July feel cool. Right. Was the hot box. Basically. I'm surprised we never had a name for it. If we would have actually named it something, we would have probably done it even more often. We'd probably still be doing it. Probably still be doing it. Sweat car.

Car sweats. Car sauna. Sauna car. Vehicle. Hot vehicle. You gotta get the... It's got heavy. Heavy. Heavy sauna car. Heavy sauna car?

We'll work on it. Yeah, I, I, this is, this totally makes sense to me, though. Yeah. You get, you get, maybe, and listen, I assume there are people who don't, like, they don't have it. They don't have something primal that has to get out and a scream that has to get out

every once in a while. I guess it is sort of personality based. But even if you're like stretching of a morning, like you do, like if you're just like, if you're just like, oh, you know, your body just tells you to, and then if you just let out a, just let whatever's in there out vocally.

Yeah! It feels good! Where am I? Oh yeah! Am I inside or outside? Oh man, hopefully you're about to jump in a mountain stream or something. You know? I'm gonna start doing that. I'm gonna start having just a... Are you gonna add this to something, you know? Rawr! I'm gonna start doing that. I'm gonna start having just a... Are you gonna add this to the things you do?

A vocalization, yeah. I think that is a great idea. I can't wait, I would love to be there when you do it. But you need to vocalize when you're stretching. I would really, you know what, Link? That idea to be really loud... Fill your lungs and just empty it. That idea to be louder than you already are with your scrubbing

is a really great idea. And as your best friend, I just want to say, you come up with so many great ideas. And all the little choices that you make in your life are really perfect for you. Yeah, thank you, man. And it's just like every little weird thing, every little cool thing that you do,

it just makes me like you more. Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you for saying that. So maybe what you could do is you can invite me over when you're getting ready to make some primal noises, and I'll just sit and watch you and clap for you. But if you don't want to call me, if you want it to be a private time,

you could just film yourself and send it to me. That would be cool. I'd like to see that. You're that interested in it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you send me these little pictures and... Hearing about it wasn't even enough. ...little videos of you stretching, making noises, maybe even some of you scrubbing yourself. And I'll just look at it on my phone and I'll clap. Awww!

I'll clap for you. I mean, there's been times in therapy where I've, you know, he'll be like, breathing, and then when you breathe out, vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv or did we were asked to? He guided me to do it. Oh, okay. He called it voo breathing. And then we're sitting there and it's just like, have you ever done that? A voo breathe? Yeah. Variation, yeah. And it rattles your cavities.

And it settles you. Like if you have like butterflies in your stomach and you just breathe in compassion and you breathe out judgment and you're like... Vooo... Vooo... You know, you feel like... I mean, that's animalistic. It's a release. It's all a safe release. Just excrete it.

Do you have to spray compassion in the air first before you breathe it in? Or is it just already in the air? Like it's a component of the air. Some oxygen, some nitrogen, some hydrogen, and a little bit of compassion, and if you just breathe good, you'll get it. No, I believe in it.

It's a concept. I believe in the breathing exercises. I fully support those. I'm just busting your balls, man. But it's not funny, and no one likes it. It's not entertaining, so believe in the breathing exercises. I fully support those. I'm just busting your balls, man. But it's not funny and no one likes it. It's not entertaining, so I'll stop doing it. I'm just insecure, man. I listen.

I'm just insecure. Whatever it is. I'm kind of jealous that you're breathing that hard with your therapy appointments. We breathe at the end of pretty much every therapy appointment. I know my therapy appointment is coming to an end when he says, shall we breathe together? Oh. The thing is, I know my therapist would be very, if I were to say,

hey, let's do some breathing, he'd be, oh, I've been waiting for you to, like, I know he's a breather, you know what I'm saying? He's a very breathing guy. He doesn't, he knows that you're not. You're not much into breathing. No, that's not true. He knows I'm like, I've been in L.A. for a decade. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm, and I. He's waiting for you to bring it up? And I, no, no. I'm just saying it hasn't been a part of it. It's a nice way to end a therapy session where it's like, I mean, so much of my therapy is just a, it's about self-judgment. So much of my therapy is just about self-judgment, so much of it. So it's nice to enter a meditative state of acceptance, period. And so it's just like a nice, it's a nice liminal space before going out back into the rest of life.

A little reset. Yeah. And it also makes me feel like, oh, we're done. Probably makes you sleep better. I did it. I did it. Speaking of heavy metal, this ties in nicely to a news item. I read this too.

Now, you may have heard. I don't think we talked about it on this podcast. I think we did, yeah. Did we? Like this whole year. Oh, yeah, we talked about it when we talked about the fact that we saw orcas while we were diving. But this year, I think mostly, if not exclusively, off the coast of Portugal, orcas, killer whales, have been attacking boats.

And they've been doing this. It is a sudden stark increase, a obviously coordinated attack. Like, first of all, we have no idea. We have no idea how intelligent these animals are, first of all, right? Their brains are larger than ours. I think we will be, one day, when we're able to tap in, we will be blown away with the level of intelligence. A different kind of intelligence. Right, they don't wear pants. But there's definitely, in some ways, probably,

certain types of intelligence, probably more intelligent. But, set that aside for a moment, they have an ability to speak to one another in a relatively complex language. Sure. That they can coordinate things, right? And so the theory— Go for the rudder! Has been that— Incapacitate the human vessel!

That's exactly how they sound, too. This one—I think her name was White Gladys. Yeah. The theory is that white gladys was disgruntled maybe she was hit by a ship or something like that or a boat and then she started doing this and revenge it either just caught on like i like white gladys is a natural leader so whatever white gladys does they do but it like, caught on regionally, and they've been attacking boats, so much so that people in this area are trying to come up with ways to combat it,

and one of them is playing heavy metal music underwater. Yes. And so these sailors created a playlist called Metal for Orcas. I'm going to read some of the titles here. It's 37 minutes. I guess you got 37 minutes to get rid of the orcas. Fatal Invocation is the opener. And then followed by The Blood of Power by Dying Fetus,

which is quite a pleasant name for a band. Yep. Exceptionally Sadistic is track three. Infinite Terror, then Stretched and Devoured. No orca wants to be stretched and devoured. But going back to what we were just talking about a moment ago, listening to this playlist really may just,

you could release all your aggression. It might foment the orca's aggression. I mean, dead but still alive, martyr. No half measures from ingested. You're in a band? Yeah. Ingested. Well, you might be surprised to know According to this

Business Insider article During an encounter one day in November Rush I guess is the sailor And his crew Tried out the musical trick On a gang of orcas But

The determined dolphins Dolphins? I guess technically technically i don't know the determined dolphins succeeded anyway striking the boat's rudders and disabling its steering so that's what they've been doing they've been going for the rudder because they know if they knock the rudder off then they can't keep doing their thing but i just it didn't help in this one scenario this is anecdotal this is one thing. Might have made it worse. If the thing you don't like is emitting a sound you don't like, and you already have been doing something to this thing that you don't like.

Right. Now you're just giving it more reason to not like it. I think that adds up. I'm understanding why this is not working. And can you imagine What is First of all One of the things

That has I know I can't remember Somebody smart Was talking to me about this I don't know who it was And I'm paraphrasing But essentially

The level of noise pollution That is in the ocean Because of all The stuff that we Are doing And all these giant ships And stuff It's pretty annoying You know These whales because of all the stuff that we are doing and all these giant ships and stuff. It's pretty annoying.

These whales are going for millions of years just with no other sounds. I mean, there's the sounds of the ocean, but they're doing their thing and speaking to each other. And now all of a sudden there's these sounds going. It's like, oh, while this freighter's going by, none of our sound, we can't talk to each other. This is a problem.

These things, whatever they are that showed up here in the last couple thousand years, they're really causing a lot of problems out in the ocean.

And, and maybe they're finally like, okay, well, what are we going to do about it, guys?

I think the long-term play here might be that they really get into heavy metal music. That would be... And then when they finally are able to speak to us, they say, -"We love dying fetus." Right. They're like very... Oh, what is it? They like... And everybody misinterprets it like, they love... Oh, they love dying fetus! Oh, gosh!

They're horrible! These orcas are... They want all the fetuses to die. Just the band. They're really pro-abortion. I really like abdominal putridity. No, it's just a metal band. It's just a metal band, guys. That's what they'll say. I mean, there is another band.

We'll be ready. When those whales start talking, we'll be ready. There's a totally different band called Aborted. It's like, what? They try to come up with something that's very divisive and death-related. And, oh yeah, that's our sweet spot. You want a little darkness. Well, you know, what should we name our band? I was thinking Aborted.

Well, there's already a dying fetus. You know, it's like, what are these conversations like? Probably what you just did. But again, these are the nicest people you've ever met. Is that what you're saying? I think, well, again, I'm not speaking for Aborted or a dying fetus. I would like to go deeper in the psychology of metal band names. Okay. If I just click on extreme metal and just read sepulchral curse,

you know, carnation, cursed, minus morgul. Okay, I like that one. Well, here's the thing about, like, the satanic panic from the 80s, right? Undead. So did you have a whole bunch of people, and they're doing it again now. Dead space. Like Lil Nas and Doja Cat are doing the same thing where it's just like they do these things that kind of lean into the satanic panic because it gets the clicks.

Here's one. Devangelic. But the thing is that. Kneel before death. Let me see if I can continue to try to gather my thought here. They are doing these... There's most of the people involved in it. Like, for instance, like the whole...

The Church of Satan is... These people don't... They don't believe in Satan. Like, they... It's a... Because in order to believe in Satan, you have to believe in Satan. Like they, it's a, because in order to believe in Satan, you have to believe in the Christian framework in order to get Satan. You understand what I'm saying?

So it's not like, when I was a kid and they were telling me there's Satan worshipers, I was like, I remember thinking one time I was like, well, Satan is a concept that it was invented by like, you know, likeian doctrine right and uh he's like

everyone knows that he's like the loser ultimately so why are we all why are we on the losers team when we know that he's like the bad guy right but that was it's not happening like those people are taking it's like a religious liberty movement. And so they use basically this icon from Christian doctrine in order to identify themselves as an example of religious liberty. That's what the whole point of the movement is. However, if you are the kind of person – because there are some people out there who are like, I'm going to try to move towards the darkest thing possible and may actually believe that they're worshiping some entity called Satan. They're probably going to listen to this kind of music as well. So you're going to get, because this is like the darkest available music.

So you're going to get those people. Because this is like the darkest available music, so you're going to get those people. But I'm just saying that the mass, the vast majority of those people are just like, this is just a fun thing to listen to to kind of get some aggression out. That's a theory at least. Okay.

I'm not willing to actually listen to this stuff. It's just, I don't think it's for me. You're a little bit scared? I'm a little bit scared. I think you should play it while you shower. I'm a little scared of nameless mist. You know what I'm saying? It would actually complete the full picture for me,

not to give you advice or to try to critique your technique, because I wouldn't do that because I'm your best friend and I only encourage you in all your choices. But just, I would say maybe take it under advisement. Next time you're in shower mode, shower goes off, scrubbing starts, blast some dying fetus in a, you don't even have to have a waterproof speaker

because the water's off at that point. Some disguised malignants, perhaps. And just see how it feels. I mean, think about how much more you can exfoliate to dying fetus. Oh my gosh. You might rip a whole layer of skin off,

but you won't get back zits. Josh probably has a really great metal playlist for you all. Yeah. Josh is, for showering.

That's where he goes. He goes. And I've been to a few metal concerts. They are fun. They are fun. But are you on the outskirts of the thrashing? Usually, yes, because I've only gone to, like, small metal shows, like, around L.A. Like, it's not, like, a full-fledged concert.

Oh. That sounds awkward. Punk shows can be just as aggressive as metal shows as far as like mosh pits go. But typically, I've been in mosh pits before and typically they're very civil and they're always nice to me. But if you all tried to get in them, you'd be targets because you're so tall. And don't even get me started with ska. I mean, who wants to bring a trombone into that mix? Nobody.

Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of ska bands, man. That was a, that, that, And all the, That trend kind of died, because you gotta carry that brass section around. Too much overhead. That can be difficult to deal with, those brass players.

You gotta wreck, baby, wreck, baby, one, two, three, four. I recommended Dan McClellan before his TikTok channel. He's a biblical scholar who makes actually very entertaining content because of just the way he breaks things down. But he has a podcast now. So if you're the kind of person who was into that wreck when I made it about his TikTok channel, you should check out his podcast, Data Over Dogma.

He does it with a friend, Dan, another Dan. Okay. And they basically, it's essentially more of like a deeper dive, and they have experts on talking about different particular issues. Again, it's very like Bible geek stuff, which is a niche that I am in. If you're also in that. Proceed with caution. You will really like it if you like his TikToks.

I wonder if they eat the noodles when they're together. Dan Dan. Dan Dan, okay. Two Dans. I was like, okay. Dan Dan noodle. That was good. That was a really good joke,, okay. Two Dans. I was like, okay. Dan Dan noodle. That was good.

Right? That was a really good joke, best friend. Thank you. It didn't require any explanation. I just had to think about it for a while, then be told what it was. There you go. There you go. All right.

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