Do Go On - Earnings Season: Episode 13 - I Create Value w/@CallTyrone_W

Episode Date: November 6, 2019

Some might know him as CEO & Founder of the eMedia Group of Companies, others may just know him as the CEO of the JSE listed company iCreate, a few others may just know him as @CallTyrone_W. However you know him or whatever you know him as, this week he plays guest to hosts Randy (@RTRowe) and Danhai (@HDanhai) on Earnings Season. Sit back and enjoy this chat between Tyrone Wilson Founder, President & CEO of eMedia Interactive Group & its two subsidiaries - iCreate Limited & Vertical Creative Limited. They cover everything from his start in Kintyre, his upbringing at Jamaica College and his entrepreneurial journey, from University to the JSE. This one has a lot. Tune in! Show Notes to follow... ★ Support this podcast ★

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And those agree. Yeah, you can't. You can't. I'm stuck. Yeah, you're stuck. I just start to know to at least praise, right? You start to need to go early, but let me start first to the personal.

Because some people might not, some people might not tell us it's personal. If you're a start-up, you're a school, usually. I mean, funny enough, I really talk about personal, personal know, it's pronounced I didn't, sorry. That's like, good selling. Oh, but you know, that's, I think that's where I kind of got exposed to the whole culture of entrepreneurship, you know, GSC as you know, we kind of bought a solid list, you know, we kind of go to a solid list, you know, pioneering entrepreneurs. That's correct.

In corporate Jamaica, you know, you kind of walk through the always and you see the plaques and the names and everything. And then as they get older, you know, it's that to appreciate more, you know, UDs people are and what they've done and so forth. And, you know, just through the whole connection, you get to, you know, Udi's people are and what they've done and so forth and you know just through the whole connection they get to you know meet somebody's J.C.O. boys and so forth. But I would say my journey, passion as an entrepreneur like I grew up in a ghetto, Kenter Papu. My father used to tell a story a few times. My father used to, my father named him Roland. And you know, you start some business cards

and let it and, company seal and all that. And say he's a businessman, Rolex trading. And father do have a business. And it's, do have a business. But in my life, I've been, you know, business cards and everything. Yeah. So from very, but in my other ways, I've been, you know, these kinds and everything. Yeah.

So from a very, from a very young age, primary school, and so they asked me, well, I'm doing a group, you know, a typical question. And my response was always, business is mine. So I think in my mind, you know, it was always kind of exposed to that. And just wanted to be that. Never know what it means in primary school.

Yeah. So, you know, business, what it is. Business, Never know what it means in primary school. But, so good. So good. So good. Yeah, business man, what did you do? Yeah, everybody, everybody has a soft money, get up and say business man, you know? And it's like, yeah, so I think that's that kind of,

you know, just being exposed to that and so forth. So that JC and then just, I mean, I can say that I got a shitload of time. Yeah, it can't stand things all the time. Yeah, podcast. All of the time. And man's at university. You, you, you, you, which just, you know, with, with all the time, you know, just free time.

Decide when you want to go to class. If you want to go to class, nobody running behind you. If I had myself drifting to doing, you know, what I love. And the world journey of starting up on everything and building out, coming up with the idea of writing and talking about business plan and everything was at U.A. That's all, you get the free time at U.A. I use that business. So I can free time more product. But you're so nice. Definitely more product.

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because this was, I remember, it was 2006, right? And the idea was to start a magazine and entertainment magazine company. Yes, all right, so I wanted to do something like Jamrock magazine do something like Bakaya magazine and Distributed regionally, you know It will be lifestyle, entertainment, culture. I remember going to Riversalute that year, Bujo was performing and we're on the gill. I was on the gill as students.

Then I was at the publication, as chairperson. So I was responsible for all the student, news paper, campus news paper, magazines, all of that. So that's where I kind of got my like the gleaner right in for a utling first but then taking over on the Gilless students having a responsibility for a big budget. So it's like the first kind of exposure to business in such a form of structure being on the Gill. So I was no you know thinking for a profit because it was always a cuss kind of center. So I

was no thinking, how am I going to make money from this? Like, not just stick the guild budget and spin it, but okay, no, earn advertising dollar and everything actually bring money back into it. So yeah, we had a new space. The tosses. So that was phoned by DeliRycho. It was all people. It was PR papers. This was not the PR paper at the guild. So I was supposed to show the good work that the guild does. I would know the guild has a 90% of the population, student population, no one think the gilded. No, she didn't.

Asa, this, I know, so it was literally printed in the gildafis on the printer, black and white. Right? And just send out a few cards, nobody give us it. Nobody pay a fee. So asa, it was like, you know, can turn this in a glassy magazine. Okay. You know, so I reach out to be mobile digital, all those people and you know do a family

that you can send it out and to my surprise about the advertising and it funded itself. So move it from our. We have spent money. move it from a black car white in the Gilafis to a full glassy magazine going out and self-funded. Self-funded. Students at the PFA. Was free. That was the advantage for the advertisers because alright, yeah, we're student population, ex-efficient. We're going to distribute those 500 times up by three.

We're circulation number 7500 captive audience. you know, I just create a content and just me like, you know, that was kind of my first taste of the publishing thing. So, like that. You're here, you're here, you're going to go out a go. Immediately, in Defender universe, Defender distribution, Defender, think that make it easier, so it's free, and then Defender sell to the companies that advertise So the advertisers will even get the money from. They basically sign somebody with no business. Yep, exactly. So what I've got to tell Cardiff first,

he says that you're looking to make it profit. Definitely, but yeah. Because the funny thing about the publications, community, most other people got appointed to it in the past were care market students, people looking to push the right in skill. You're right. So they were like more the journalism, you know,

and I was more the business. So my paper used to have a lot of arrows. The grammar to cut arrows. You could write it in a newspaper. But it was profitable. So, you know, it was like, it's not, it wasn't digital, it's a, you bring it, and that was it.

But we made money. And that for me, you know, it was like, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, hula, This is a magazine we're going to do and if we can get Bujuban on the cover, it's our cell. So I remember this time was on the guild still and we broke, right? We don't have the money, we have the campus and we're like, oh, am I going to get down to Zhongshan? Sentil is a bit. To interview Bujub. I have my camera and everything I did right and I got a media pass because I had a website call Yeah, me either come okay back in the days and reviews review

So I had that and a phone I slip do writing back right right above. Yeah, this was our own tone God Yeah, this was our own tone God I'm for that stick that's a new y'all Come be for that I'm for that stick that's a Transport to our for tree Wow Saddles crossed it off don't put Joe

Joe Joe You really worried that you would give that That was also that was a guy to Joe Chen No that was one way Oh Shit It was not to go and come wow Y'all were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were the only people who were and I run from the stage just straight into his van, no interviews, no cover stories. So, you know, but that's journalism and but you know, pitch that idea and it turned into what was easy and limited. So I think most people that that started most people knew me then, right?

And when that was 10 years ago, when 11 years ago, when digital did not exist, you know, we were saying digital is a future. And we started easyings with a huge email database and sell to advertise again the same thing with Seoul when around the guild, reach and explain and tell them that let's all have this reach. Expresent, open the email, we could show them how many read, one page is

read, share it with a friend, we could get those data and you know that's all kind of roll out and get started. And then the business just evolve and evolve over time. Some things were shelved, some things was earning, we're earning, but not enough. You know, you find that with success, the more ambitious, if you're very ambitious, you get that this, a success, and it looked like

a great plan and a great idea. And then you're like I'm not gonna make much profit from this so why not you know just do something else. So that's been my journey for about like I've started this company 11 years now in middle, Bootschap it for a good while but I spent the first five or six years figuring it out. You know so a lot of people like get greedy and just trying to make money and buy a car and buy a horse and whatever like there was a lot of easy money opportunities that came. Yeah. What for me was like all right, oh am I gonna build a stock exchange company you know like because when I just started and the June and stock exchange was you know like because when I just started you know the June and Stock Exchange was just launch. Ah yeah by then the June and Stock Exchange launched was 10 years as an online page of GLP winner own 2007 and little after

Dunway it was Minister of State in finance and then the June market came and access launch and I was like, yo, that's what I'm going like, this makes sense. Yes. So I need to find an idea that can go on the stock exchange. That's true. So I've been for the first five years of my entrepreneurial journey. I've been kind of trying to figure out, how can we find, you know, something proper or can we, what are we about? So we move from digital media to creative to online TV. Yes, that's the IVU TV.

That one was a big deal for me. Because I excited on time, I launched, I think like IVU TV in the car. Yeah. I had an M10, I'm telling you that, you see, we're working the other night, I got a cally, I was like, I said, I'm really ahead of time.

I launched IVU TV. and it was supposed to be essentially a live interview. Yeah, essentially. Long before everybody was talking about the expectations and the ones to do it, but of course, almost, when you have built them, they're from scratch, it's almost like everything, I've tried so I've never wanted the business,

the infrastructure, and then in my factory, I pushed the content also. And then I got bored because by then, thought I pushed the content also. And then I have a board because by then Richard, by just Wikim or Chairman. So, you know, yeah, well, I like that. And the truth is the online TV required a lot of money for content. What we underestimated when we started our view. So we got the investment from Sajikur, right? 30 million, 350 thousand US at the time, 30 million. Private equity.

Private equity. And, you know, that was a big deal because young entrepreneurs weren't getting that. Still a huge, still a huge, right? I'm still hot by my mind. Put together a board. We don't put people eyes, listen, eyes, ask us what, that water might hear.

We just pointed some of the liquor steps. You say out a board. Why you go out a board to early? Most people, yeah, put them, pull them just pointing some of the little steps, you say out of board, why you go out of board to early? Most people, yeah, I think you have to pull them. I can ask, let me use the keyboard. The funny thing, you said the spirit I'm at at university, I learned all of that, you know? The reality of it, all you learned. For me, it was like, you're interested in business and then you just start research.

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My degree and it was a special at the time. Was not major. Was not mine. I was a special. I was new. Only 40 people were accepting. So there weren't much, there weren't many electives you could choose

but that's on good econ and Management service courses, you know within the the constraints of it and I remember Entrepreneurship on venture creation I remember entrepreneurship and venture creation, MS34A, can I forget it? One of the only entrepreneur courses at UE, entrepreneurship degree did not exist then. Yeah, yeah. It was the only entrepreneurship course,

and I was like, yo, I'm gonna need to do that. And I signed up for it, and then so I can't do it because I'm in econ, and this is for management studies, and I remember calling Dr. Gave in Chen and got to his office and I'm in Ikan and this is for management studies. And I remember calling Dr. Given Chen and got to his office and I'm pitching and saying, oh, yeah, they accept me in the scores like I have a business plan that I'm stuck, need to know to write it and complete it. And this is the only course I see that can help me to do it.

All right. And that course, no kind of start expose you to entrepreneurship, you know, there's certain things, boards and private equity. And then I was doing banking and finance. I was doing certain courses, you know, that also expose me around commercial banking side and the investment banking side. So it's a good news. Right. So both sides. So I was doing a lot of research and that venture course was so important for me as part of the research. It was so important that I got the lecturer fired. You don't just ask who was the lecturer. Yeah, I don't remember his name, but we're in the course.

Get a coursework. There was two streams. He was doing one another lecture. Get the coursework results, two out of five. I said, all right, cool. I wanted this A, like there was no other course I give. You're going to get in it all. This course was important. Two out of five. So I got to the class, you know, students ask doha and so. Second, this 205 means I'm not learning anything. Yeah, it's original class. No one students are asking him some question and I'm like, sir, you realize we're paying it to be

here, like we are paying you. And I'm like, with you and the exact same address, like exiled in the air. No, ask questions Nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nih ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, ya,. I get the book. So the research back to the point, the research was important. So those things that you learn both boards and what I did of course, right, was a law course, regulator, framework, a banking and finance. Shirley and Eden taught it. Can't forget it. Can't forget it. Can't forget them fully.

I love that. I can't. Those courses that impacted me on a business level. I can't forget that because that course was all about Finsak. Ah, it was talking about the new rules that were implemented by the government to avoid a repeat of Finsak. Yes. It was regulatory framework of banking and finance.

So this was 2005, 2006, right? I was doing the course. Yeah, it was second, third year than. Yeah, second, third year, but we're learning about things that happened like seven years ago. So you can imagine like it was fresh. That very few people even know, even today, know our care about. Yeah. So so some other was fresh, very few people even know the day, no are care about. So some other things that too young in them.

Some other things that like went wrong, among the financial businesses, big time was a lot about corporate governance. So you learn those things and then the measures that were put in place to avoid another fin-sac and blah blah blah. So it's that learn more boards and committees and risk committee and all these things. So going into business for me at 2021, right? Right, total college. Like, I know exactly which board for try to set up all of a set of top. I never start with a board that directors

are starting with that advisor board because I never want to bother them over. Oh, for the, yeah. I never want to be bounded by decisions of a board. Yeah. Starting that early, but still needed the advice of very experienced people. But you still listen. But if you do your own thing sometimes, yeah, all right.

Because an advisor board. So that's what I can learn they don't really do you remember the first who would you get to teach a class after you know I don't remember the lecture and what I know I was happy you have the lecture and I got an email right that see it's the first what you know the first word so my first advisor board was with Chris Williams. He stopped off of that big big big big big one Chris van proven and Sherry Martin. Ah yes also have been said marketing at NCB at the time so those two were my they were investors too Chris was an investor and then Sherry came on a little bit down and you know that was our advice of

word I will meet every month if I make a hundred thousand, I'll come on report on the hundred thousand, I will spend it like these are the numbers, yeah, yeah, hundred thousand revenues, yeah, 150 thousand revenues, salaries, C or salary, 40,000 if any, and all, right? At PIC, 35,000 and your report on that, right? You develop the discipline, because for me, stock exchange was a goal. It was a goal. It developed this discipline and the bill of Maksaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaq Yeah, we're going basically we interact with them. Let's start and start poorly and develop a prepositive in place and can grow a papadi. I thought what profit before it might be my own business. Yeah. Yeah. So it is it is it is a known. I don't know. There's a known thing but in every case you see

that you you touch a point in the research. you were pointing with the advisory. See, aboard. Somebody else that can help you make a decision on this. And I mean, he was very deliberate about what he wants to learn. So inviting him to space to learn about him businesses. So he knows where he wants to be. I know I need to learn this way. And put himself in a place to learn it. I'm bored.

Of course, at the end of the stock. So you, well, as you say, if you start a company, that means you kill a lot of companies. You say, you're rationalized, you kill a whole heap of stuff. What do you have? No. What do you have no on the boards? Obviously, there's a big one, I create, which is the list of the entity. So I create creative training and institute.

So what we've evolved into, like, when I speak about it, you know, my wife and what I'm doing, you know, right now, because I consider myself an entrepreneur, can probably go in any business after, you know, kind of going through this process and learning more. Still a lot to learn from CEO, kind of making a transition as an entrepreneur to be in a CEO and the stock exchange get you in line with that very quick. But now my vision, kind of goal is to,

develop a creative economy. And when we look at a creative economy, one people call it creative industries. That's the first thing. So it's very young and you know not so important to overall economic growth. But when you look at countries like Britain, mix of 5% of GDP, you the fastest growing section of their overall economy not just in Britain but also in China. China grows a lot. And growing significantly right now in China.

China's creative economy right now is leading a lot of things in terms of growth. So, yeah, man. So, when we look at things like the five in four plan, what about politics for the partners? No, man, it's not politics, but when they look at things like the five in four, you know, back side and financial services and sports won't be enough. That's true. That's true. That's true. Like the only way you're going to experience economic growth

is if you kind of have some other industries that can include everyone. And including the youth, especially the sport of it. Because creative economy and services within the creative economy is one of the easiest, so to export. Yeah. Music has been like, I started a level of play in trees because I'm on an America versus here.

A moment of resources available to him. You didn't say momentary resources. The same Photoshop. See, exactly. See, because I'm on a lot of more talented. I've been a bit more precise. You're not limited by environment. If, if you can, if a person,

exporting my expertise, yeah. Okay, job. Same thing to that, well person exporting my expertise. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the thing like my job now is to kind of eat in the development of the creative economy. We're doing that through several things. You know, we're doing that on the trade inside or doing it on the production side and the trade inside that I create. we're building a cadre of talent. And you know, a lot of people will look at I create and you know, they look at certain things that face value. But I remember when Richard Biles was my chairman, where a discussion and he spoke about it to at the launch of I create, right? And he was telling me when he was, I think he was CEO of First Life, which was a panjam company.

Yes. That's life, a Jamaica bot. So, Eloje bot it, you know, came on the Eloje, everything involved into Sajikur group and and so forth. But I remember, by, you know, it was still in me about when you only had one actuary at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, life is Elojie, one of them, but one actor and our first was Viva Jamaican. Wow, right. We didn't have an actor training program in the country. So you can imagine when I think about that. Right. What a fun thing because then I ended up being part of, we went through the actor training

program. Yeah, yeah, eventually. I guess, but then I younger young us, then, yeah, Biles would have helped to create that thing that has, yeah, some of the things, I mean, well, then I, I don't know, I can't say we give Richard Biles a hard time, we've never given him a hard time online. I was really, yeah, publicly we don't give a hard time,

but you know, you go like your like sports, they be like a team, you're a course, you're a striker, I said, you're a striker. No, my bad. Yeah, you're rich, Biles, we're rich, Biles, but I'm a striker. Yeah, which is real, but I was a bit, but it's a genius. I don't know if people have given them of credit in terms of the things that you'd have touched in terms of building a Jamaica,

or something like that, that's a genius. I mean, that's his personality. He's not gonna really, I mean, it doesn't think about that at all, to be honest, you know, he's just someone who's locked in our focus. I mean, is it where he's not doing, right? Well, I'm happy to the audience. You know, he's just someone who's locked in our focus. I'm not doing it right. I'm happy to hear that. Yeah, big up, big up the governor of the Bank of Germany.

You're gonna share one of, chairman everything, you know, you're at that place in the Saudi-Corey group. Yeah, big group. And you get the funds, you know, you're gonna help Jamaica. It's a step to it. But when I want water, they want to iron.

It's a big one. When it's up, it's about as if you have the time. You used to it. You used to it, you know. You used to it. The image, you know what I'm talking about. You know, I like your story.

I see a run go I create. I don't know if I want. Should I pressure you on I create yet? I mean, what? Yeah, but why did you suck? You're on the right. You're on the right path. Yeah, so the same comparison that I act real, you the actual financial industry.

Yeah, that he wanted it, but he only had the one and it wasn't American. So where did it exist? Can you imagine, 2006, right? 2004, and then started doing only 40 people were being accepted into banking and finance. Of course, it was a fresh course. In the 40 years. Especially the program. I gave some convincing to get in the program. That's true because it's a

counting applied for because I'm like really good at accounts. And for some syringes they accepted me for political science. I was like, what else? But I got into banking and finance. 40 people alone. No look at our industrial, right? Yeah. Look at our stock exchange. Yeah. Can you imagine if you didn't expand on their programs? Yeah. There's a lot of people there know that NCB, Sajikur, S, school, all of these people couldn't hire who had a knowledge about finance to aid like the fast, the high growth that is in is filled

by people. That's 100% correct. is filled by people know what to know how to put what we're know what to invest in, what not to invest in, what to invest in what to buy all of these things it comes from human resource so when I'm kind of taking a pioneer approach know with a creative economy and you know at I create that's a type of pioneer in approach to taking it like, oh, we're going to build the creative economy. But when you look at the value chain, any value chain, what the creative economy

value chain, it begins with training, they have training, they have conceptualization, production, and you have distribution, right? That's it. And what about the product is Itu apa yang produknya adalah. Film, kita ada tahu di syurga dan editan. Ada di syurga dan ada di atas. Dan ada tahu, ada di atas kemampuan. Ini adalah ide yang terbaik. Ada orang yang takkan. Saya nak buat ini.

Ini adalah ide yang terbaik. Dan ada di sebabkan, makanan yang terbaik untuk menghantar itu. Jadi ada di syurga dan editan. Then the process, creative process to move that to a production. So they know of a shoot and edit and everything and then people have to see it, people have to hear it, people have to feel it, people have whatever. So you need distribution. That's a creative economy value chain. It starts training. There's no way you get the one that is going to evolve and our creative economy is going to grow if we can find talent from very basic to the most advanced and we are moving away from our world of just degrees because in this fast-changing technological environment by the time you do a three-year degree on virtual reality. Yeah, you're so comfortable about some other reality. Right.

Yeah. So like the bottom line, when I did banking our finance, trading wasn't online. It was but not yet, not to the degree rate is not yet. It wasn't popular. No, it was totally different kind of, kind of, kind of world. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely makes it. Yeah. different kind of kind of word. Yes, yeah, absolutely. It exists.

Right. The iPhone came up all seven. Oh, seven was iPhone. Yes, right. So, um, and that started the app economy, right. So you can imagine all the guy that's the three, four years of computer science, 2002, 2005. By the end of the world and an employee.

I say, you know if you develop a mobile app. Alright, so what's happening now that that's a challenge that I create is taking on right how do we get Jamaica to tap into the realities of today from a creative standpoint right and it impact take podcast or doing no a creative standpoint right and it impact tech

podcast we're doing no definitely creative thing right we did a podcast workshop and we had to do a second one 45 people came I was on one day podcast of one day 10,000 hours and did the podcast workshop and a few started like next day, the next morning and trying to earn. Send some, send to a medical interview, the medical service. So that's with I create now when these things happen, you know, we miss so many opportunities as a country. We miss the animation boat. Right? We miss that. Like, that helps us if we get in.

If you can catch it back, yeah. But the Philippines turn our own their country through animation. Right? They have one of the biggest outsourcing animation industries. Really? Yeah. Because of the manga that's out of the world. Yes.

It sounds like a factory. Yeah, it's like a factory. Right? We miss those opportunities. Film right now. We're playing... I wouldn't even say we're playing catch-up. Like where...

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Maybe it's yes, almost 10 years ago. Yes, almost 10 years ago. Because I remember when I was talking to Sajikur from my investment in 2011, that's when they premiered No, and that was it, we get a live Yes, it's 10 years Yeah, so where you find out is that

How are like, we've done it with music Right? We've done it with music Like music Everything is there, yes, that's everything Music is a second age, it's an option If I'm on a girl, you don't grow up. Our girl growing up. You can see, you can choose the same sex.

And produce as I make it money, musician, songwriters, managers, right now, the music is feeling the creative industry. Because every big artist, protégé, these guys, that is the above photographer, the above videographer, the above illustrator, the above this, the above that. Right? That's what we're trying to do.

That's what I create coming, right? So that's the problem we're trying to solve. How do we develop a creative economy? And they want to do that 10 years later, people are gonna be doing like, oligrama and those things, like, well teach that to, right? Wait, wait, what we're doing is to ensure that Everybody have a skill set because skills training is leading no, right?

LinkedIn bought Linda for about $10 billion or something like that, right? And Linda is a creative training website. Yeah, right? And you have creative life plural site with on the tech side listed last year on the Nasdaq right these things are happening so I create you know Jamaica economy is pretty small where very traditional also you know if you don't sell bonan cheese and and and and and and like it's straightforward you go to the jika mereka tak selamat, dan berguna, dan sebab mereka berguna, mereka berguna, dan mereka berguna,

dan mereka berguna, dan mereka berguna, dan mereka berguna, mereka berguna, mereka berguna, mereka berguna, mereka berguna, mereka berguna, right? Tip in understand I view TV. Definitely. That's true. That's true. I spoke to them on us and they told us

that they understand it. Yeah. Yeah. So when you sit with an investor and say, oh, we're only to spend 50 million dollars on content creation before we start earn. I'm not understand. That's right. Yeah.

This is about buying some sausage and some oil and some butter. Put them on the shelf, put a shop in a location where you know people are going to come and buy. And that's the type of economy. We're evolving, we're moving away from that. The rapid peak, no. Thanks to technological advancement and globalization and so forth and people are no scene where this is disrupting the space that they've been comfortable in. So banking is being disrupted through tech, right? NCB is being looked at go IPO. That's true.

Everybody doing an IPO no one so go on NCB. That's true. So talk to NCB for that. So the thing is that with I create, that is what we are trying to do. And it's going to come from workshop courses. We're going to come from certificate courses. We're going to do some more advanced courses. To some certified film, film maker programs, those music, you know everything. And then when you find, you know, five years from now

when James Banner com com shoota Jamaica. Again, they make them know say I get some higher talent within the thing. Or better yet. And then we can shoot our own films. There we go. This should be them. There we go.

So, for a space. My life I don't talk about, I did for a client, I had to run an entire set of presentations, trying to stay with the bones of the contract. I had a lot of research on that. And the New Zealand model, New Zealand model, I have known them in a short version of it, is that the device has a little bit of films of going,

same sort of thing, but then they gave a little tax break and to a guy named Peter, I forgot Peter, I'll put it in the show once you can see it anyway that guy came and shot a book that everybody know named Lauderings and Lauderings, Peter Jackson, thank you, big band production, Bamsu, it's a Peter Jackson, so Peter Jackson did Lauderings there and you can literally see the change in New Zealand from that. No New Zealand's creative industries one of the best in the world. I know how you know it's the best in the world. They make their own media, they make their own films, they make their own content and then they consume it and make money off it. They bought and surely pushed tourism.

And it pushed tourism heavily. I did one of the things I did did that presentation was to state that there are numbers, there are tourist numbers at this point, I think about 80% of the tourists that come there mention a lot of the rings. I thought that it was really good. They go to New Zealand. You see him doing with Jamaica, Bob Miley. Bob Miley. I know you see in Bulldo, I don't know, right? But it's funny for Jamaica to do it. Jamaica, no one for don't know. But it's funny for Jamaica to be creative.

I think it's a random person, old set of Jamaica. In the world, in the world, when you're married, he's concerned Jamaica is talented, integrated, as a woman, capitalizing on it. So those are some other things. So yeah, that's why we're doing it. But on the flip side, the word people, I mean, too nice to you because I, yo, I'm saying that. First of all, big of

Twitter, I'm a bun Twitter. People give me, they give me heat for all kind of thing. People say, yo, all come in, you're going to come bring out kind of a heart, you know, I create a heart time. I say what you mean? I give people a heart time straight forward. I don't think it's like almost people want me, VIXX. VIX and they be under there. So you have a corn too, buy some snacks. Yeah, buy this, I'll go and buy them. Yeah, someone said, all right, I mean, I just straight to the point. Because you, all along, I created it.

And I'm since February. February. Yeah, we recorded it in a December, in the future. And I'm like, oh, global. So, I mean, elephant in the room, share price drop. You will last like 30% of the value. Yeah, I think we're about 35% 30. 30. 30. I thought today you're at 70 cents per share. It's that. I don't know if people have noticed because I don't remember if I'd say to you privately or publicly, but I have said that I've said it publicly I've said this as a tyrant say you want to lick something to send me by some

Still up buying some of but that's not to say that it's about company then I Then I have sport I'm on this all tend that you need for understanding difference between the share price the stock price and The company the company what are companies for companies? What are about? I like that you literally love just word for the last maybe 20 minutes Tyrone explain I create in a context a Jamaica But this something that is necessary. Yeah, and I don't know for well not many people have done it some people You didn't jump in club don't you travel on a Caribbean or TV in Jamaica is actually we ahead of most people I don't know even those are ads as crappy as sometimes my company more ads

Even so ads on our TV or content in Jamaica is a lot better than in the Caribbean and we don't think it's that great because of course We see you as an everybody is exactly and the truth is no if you look at it I will tear on you top or I created on top or you your other company which is not unmarked Which is marked inside or I try to do it and our creative side of Jamaica But I was looking at a, the music videos, the production quality. We have always been at a level, because we're beautiful. For the same music,

I'm using the same Jamaica. There we go, but on the flip side, yes, the business man of a common road and the business man has that seven percent, I wouldn't be a good investor, I didn't see what the hell is something there, 70%. So I have a thing that I tell people, that I have you here,

so you can tell your story and we're talking. What, I mean, you talking to our investors, somebody listen right now and say, yes, I'm asking about it. Kind of something. I'm like, oh, yeah. Very funny. Yes, I mean, outside of the fact that Tyrone

can go by up to here himself and bring it up. What do you think? What is a ton investor right now? What is your idea to an investor to not reassure about the investment? I mean, the funny thing is I try not to worry about the stock price check it or read the chat about it you know some other the stuff that I said you know like like on Twitter I don't see 90% of them is probably somebody who sent me something to screenshot. Yeah, I was getting Iyid said. Yeah, I mean,

I didn't be a black time unit and I screenshot and said, but you know, save them black. Don't show me. I look at it and I truck it, you know, because, you know, because I remember when Tim Cook took over from Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs passing. Everybody started reading Apple's eulogy. That's true. That's true. Heist dropped it, there's no innovation left. Blah, blah, blah. You know, it's just like, Apple is dead like that's true like big big apple right and

innovate is gone yeah it looked like the month like Tim Cook never even sit on in a MC or cheer for a lot right people like say oh it dead is a is a supply chain who is an operations guy, he is not an innovator, he is not a marketer, and I think I put a release, the results, the iPhone sales are done and profits are up. That never happened yet. Right? Why? Because there are services... They want us on their business.

They want us on their business. They know that they are going to sell X among the iPhones and then after that the Meek of myself next exactly and the iPhone is a touchpoint for everything else So they focus on their strategy, right? And avoid the short Shard in other stocks and those things and you know for me You know of course there's a lot of pressure. As a young CEO, youngness on the market, and youngness business, and as a professional listed in the startup,

like, you know, you brave, and while you do that, and blah, blah, blah, but when you started, I create as a product test in 2017, I started seeing the interests and the demand for the courses. And it was like, you know, we did this good, we spent the next 10 years as a private company, shipping away with a little private equity here and there and and take time grow because I've experienced it before right with I view, had we raised all the cash we needed up front, majority of the cash we needed up front, we would have been able to roll out and probably I

would have been like the Netflix I carry around right now. But we raised some cash and then we told to come back and come back and listen for it. Yeah, get money, you know, you know, so for I create, I was like, I'm not making that mistake again. I'm going to raise like $70 million and, well, build this up. Definitely. Right.

I will figure it out after that. It's a funny. I remember the buzz around it. like 70 million dollars and well, Bill is old. Definitely. Right. I will figure it out after that. Right. It's a funny, I remember the buzz around it. But it's about 70 million. Yeah. Yeah. In the market.

In the harbor market. In some billion dollars. It's less than a billion dollars. It's off-going on there. Yeah. It's just a little 70 million dollars. That's all the cash that went into, I create. But, or mission, you know, as a company is to focus on the things I express before.

Right? We have 85% students that is what they're reading. That is people coming to I create. That's me. To learn something and yeah, school to. And I scale I want to tell how you feel about that I create and averages. It's enough. And also my feelings, it's rough on you.

And then because I feel like you know here are good. You know, you're 85% Yeah, satisfactory for you. You are mad. Are you? Yeah, you're mad. Everybody vex this guy around. This guy around. Yeah, I'm in a school.

You know, I'd like for me, I remember when, as I say, when the lecture didn't... Hadani Shia, yeah. And I changed it, and I was satisfied after. I create, we're underground, you know, like we stay close to everything that's happening. It's three months, so we can afford a month for pass and you're unhappy.

Definitely. Like two months is not enough for salvage for passing on a pick. Definitely. Like two months is not enough for salvage, so I'll be there. We're getting real-time feedback. We're ensuring that it's practical. We're checking with the trainers. You know, I'm the kind of product guy there. So I developed courses, 90% of them, if not more. Based on my experience in the agency production side

creative production side and know what is needed so when you look at some of our graduates who do a three-month photography course like you can these guys can shoot ads for you build food self right in three months same with video like you can call and I create video guy's past student know and so 3 monos, seme videom, ka'an kala na'ikri, videom, pas tu, n'n, no, anse, listen, a 5 minut videom, neidu to shuutu, an'n, no, exakulu, an'n, gan shuutit,

matau, fad, funi, nof, ma'an, nyef, finitu to po'an, kama'an, begap, onee, ypipulem, ra'an, try a shot in the dark, i re'an, pipulem, ra'an, even a do'an, a'an, who would them, then try to shut in the dark, I read a few people to that, even I do, I was at the time. One of them said, as I put all that tweet saying, I want to get in names, I say, I'm short ones in short ones,

they want to copy right up. So I'm gonna send him one of my flash, one of my girl course, if you wanna learn about investing, girl, right, everymeacle.com slash store slash girl. Anyway, I'm saying more on do you, right? So, it's not a cause when I send the flash, you'll give me something better. I'm sending back some stuff, no there more on doing it right? So it's not causing me to send the flants here or give me something better.

I'm sending back some stuff. No, there was a good yeah, was it what I wanted? No, and I don't give them proper feedback. I do need to that type of just been busy. But one my life that too, he did mention that, but he did the course that I create. I didn't do the right thing because I happen to know, because I also touch the industry as you know,

that you can't find copy-writers, good copy's good copyrights and it's hard anybody to train them. There's a lot of those skills in the creative industry that's needed. I's not just in Jamaica. That's the thing. I say this really. I create it. I create it. I create it.

I'm about to find out I'm big. Yeah. Those are the things we have to focus on. You see the more of that we do, the better of will be as a company. Like we have to keep our focus there. Everything ends will come. Right? So we just want to ensure that you come in. Yeah, we have a good experience and meet your objectives. We have people to three, four courses, you know? Like repeat, repeat, repeat, right? You do, of course, this Scott, I come back next one. I'm on the line. I'm on the whole thing. Yeah, they're just learning

that if you never like your I create experience, you would not go back. Exactly. Yeah. You know, I have not driven through the doors of you. Take since my drop-out. That's not true. But you're getting nobody really go back. Yeah. It's a bit good. You have to make a track. You repeat because someone's. Yeah, you're retention. Well, we have a pretty robust tool that allows us to check in and everything. So we know when you're coming back, if you're coming in the system promises and everything.

So when it comes to address the world stock price, you know, we're trying not to get distracted, right? A lot definitely. We're trying to, it's a start-up, right? We're building out. So we're spending the last the first three months at an IPO to increase our capacity, right? Moby Kingston, our sedentary release, I think our Q2 release, we spoke about the readiness of the space, the acquiring equipment and so forth to meet the demand that we have. So that's all kind of focus on, like all right, let's please our customers.

That's what it comes down to. And I like that. And we have a key, the satisfactory rating, up, 85 if we can raise, we go 90. Yeah, I'm on average, and 85, so we just have a, listen, we just have a focus on that. And grow the business. So we're building up more courses, we're improving on the current ones, we're investing in the team,

our young team, you know, and the OLS. Wow. Our team, so can you at least see me changing up? We're off now. The young people are not looking at us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you were a podcast, I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean? You know what I mean?

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

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Yeah. Part of the process because that's what I tried to do. You know, cause it's all a learning experience. But Jamaica, it's good to like look at these things because the US doing it for years. Look at Madzokabird. It's got a lot of courage. Yeah. Steve Jobs did it.

Bill Gates did it. it's been happening. We need more of that in Jamaica. We need some job boards for this, on the SAC exchange, right? And we have a encourage them. So these things happen and we feel like we'll bash them. Yeah, yeah, man, Jamaica. Yeah, we're thrown upon.

And we follow the beaten path. Everybody believes it goes school and I eat that. We need people to try new things. Definitely. and we follow the beaten path. Everybody plays, it goes school and I eat that. You know, like you don't. We need people to try new things. Definitely. Podcasts, you know, artificial intelligence. Ah, other things, right. Parting, mission, all of these things.

Yeah. Everything, both from the technical side, and just like it's just like the creative side, I mean, if you think about it, there are always options that I'd have. We've always been in invest, and I've been investing. I don't have to do this podcast.

And I am very serious about, hold it. I'm like, I'm going to have to do the podcast. Say it for you. I'm going to have to do the podcast. Yeah, it's like, no, but I mean, I don't have to be designed option, right? But also, how I do the podcast is different. When people are listening to it, they're all the time, the first feedback anybody is going

to get a podcast demo on. So demo on here. Tell us about the stocks in the market this week. And almost buy, almost do for right. And that's the sort of thing that people think the more on the year, because if you don't know better, you don't know better, right? Is is me, everything can say no, you know, I want to do something that I like to hear. But it's still going to be on a topic and then doing that you bring a lot more Oh, if you tell me five reason that have a Listed company CEO on the podcast at Taco fans who wouldn't think about it right? I wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't think of why you put on a podcast

Why wouldn't you write a ad claim the newspaper about it and so on? But this is it this are the real estate. I'm going to radio. I'm going to radio right? Yeah I saw funny right after that I put that all the time. And I don't have a problem with radio. But I like the format it's done in no. If a curse occurs, if it don't curse, if the radio can't deal with it,

then the radio can have it. I love the radio. But they laugh for me, me where I am. I don't need them if they need me. Well, I want a decent illicit company. Well, I mean, I don't want it. I'll say I'm big of IJR, but yeah, yeah, time, time, no, time, no. But I don't want you to skip past it because you do. You did make some good points. And I like that you pointed out your, um, the

build out, which is, which is a major part because it is a startup, right? 70 mil in the grand scheme of things even a market, no market nobody I think investors need to understand They need to understand the company. So if you start up We come you didn't walk into a start-up on top of all your own perfect sky I could say can get an extra turn if you invested in it. You know where they're for everybody There is you know what you must know where you put the money. There is that not no people But I put some heat and you were kind of saying you know if you look on money. There is that. Now I know people would have put some heat and you would have had them say, you know, if you look on the prospectus, you know,

expected. Not what they're saying. I don't feel that prospectus was. But we're not getting any. And then far off, meaning, meaning, meaning, when I said that, meaning, year one, we said we gave a certain projection Kind of a represent that as an acting I'm just pause and big up for that the only one that's done it right in the money in perspectives

No, I know the IPO process from the other side inside and I can tell it is it is a legal process So then always it's easier for them to lie and just say you're just be quiet. Don't say not don't speak on it I don't chose to come and speak about it until we are rated that questions from the public right aftarakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak Yes, yeah, I got a private message is like yo, you don't need to do this. You don't exactly I will I link him when he doing me link myself Oh, what are you doing? I thought about the podcast or say not like I don't like it, but you sure you're in the For a cause you get me But what I realized, you know in in doing the IPO like I mean it was it was Is a good process? Mm-hmm. I feel like it was a good process. I feel like I grew up in business ways like two years in two months.

Yeah, IPO teaches a lot very, Sonia Gaffa. Big of Sonia Gaffa here in the United States. And I associate at the time, I think she still is, Camille Garrison, what Sonia, like, she just noticed. And Sonia, like, she knows the entire thing. Like, I never have a worry about the legal parts, but I went in because I wanted to learn learn it but she was really good to learn a lot from her and then on the legal side to

you know, sorry, on the investment broker side, Sajikur, it was also a good learning process with them because Sajikur does things properly. You know, like, they don't have a choice. You realize there are no hiccups with our IPO. Yeah. Like, smoothie or smooth. All the questions that were asked were answered in the prospectus. Nobody commot and say, oh, this is high in terms of expensive in terms of pricing. It's just always a little bit too much

a little bit too little but we're never like too expensive or too cheap or you know so that entire process and just dealing with you know with everybody was it was great you know but to really come back to it from the world IPO to where you are Where I know you know, it's like We see the progress, but our projections are based on A bill in old I get you. Okay, so Know that we're build out The plan with everybody is to focus on growth. We have a chairman, listen, me, Chelle.

It's a really good, a really good chairperson. Invested in investment. Yeah, investments. In fact, everyone tightens,, CopperTexX, everything. And we have a very close relationship, chairman, CEO, and learn a lot from him. As a CEO and a publicly listed company, how to deal with those processes and everything. Because I'm raw entrepreneur. Yeah, and a lot of people tend to mix up the two.

Yes, the passion that they bring. And if you bring it properly, people, especially in Jamaica, people with really no business, I mean, I say it openly. We don't know business way, we do it. I am on record, I'm saying, well, I'm going to be on record. No, I'm saying I'm, I don't insult business way we do it. I am on record I'm saying well I'm going to be on record no I'm saying I don't insult anyone per se but it's that I per my person because a lot of business people in Jamaica aren't really business people the thing I used to them doing I think I said to you also I said

I don't need it the thing I used to them doing is a thing that you're very good I'm on about talking companies I'm on a man it grew up in a family with Yemen in good at that you can't take him out and put him somewhere something yeah yeah we don't we have a lot of good business people a lot of is a money man. It grew up in a family way. Yeah man, it got that. You can't take him out and put him somewhere. So it is something else. Yeah. We don't have a lot of good business people. We have a lot of one transition. Yeah. It's important. It's funny. I can't impress you, Tyrone,

because the things he's mentioning, I interpret a lot of people that do business. I don't find the drives are one, learn this, I want to go forward. I know where I'm going, I know where I want to learn this and go forward. I know where I am now and where I need to go and to get there. I love business mandas. It's a great summer, it's a great. I'm Japanese, I see you.

Two different. Yes, that's true. So dealing with listen. And other members are the board too. Making that transition is important. You're not leaving it behind. Of course, because the minute you stop being entrepreneurial is the minute the business definitely stop matter, right? Look at, I'd love to use Apple as an example because I just pretty much studied that company. Right. Up to today, they just launched a new service, I'm the TV Plus. Taking them into film, we have a noble film. But that's the thing, that's the entrepreneurial

side of being in business. New venture. Yeah, the motto big you are and remember Apple profits hard for moving Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, it's not easy Moving and revenues and those profits Mm-hmm. At Apple. So yeah, it's really good. From an entrepreneurial standpoint, and you're not acquiring businesses, you start to ask for buying anything in the year, do you have a buy time on Netflix? They don't necessarily always acquire the tend to.

I mean, the partnerships, I'm sure the Apple Plus will find a nice to partner with these business. Well, let me say that they never get a lot of partnerships because people are like, you know, we're doing our own thing The OTT platforms know over the top right Netflix Ulu Amazon Prime those were the top guys big three I like to call them

Right and then HBO with HBO know But then 80 and T bot time on them. Yes. And then Disney bot Fox. Right. And then apposal TV plus. So if I know is that there's nobody to buy, that can cure the good level because everything

can solidate already. That's true. And there's no deals they can get because all the guys that are buying the other guys up their networks, and they're pushing forward and they're pushing on their own networks and then apps, don't go build this up economy. So they'll give them a platform that will leave them off their need.

It's a part now, to part. To part, right? So, what you find is that we have a billion iPhones. We don't have any partnerships. We don't have a lot of flaws. And we give it free for the first two months. I will start, billion. We have more subscribers than you in two years.

Yeah. So that's the thing about being entrepreneur, but at the same time, being that CEO who understands how to navigate the politics on board on a publicly listed level if you with agents or to be a little bit filing a quarterly report. New shareholders. New shareholders.

We have to provide people expectations. I want to close that part. I don't want people to say I'm making get away again. And I've said this, you can't I want I want close that part of the don't want people say I'm making it again Um, and I've said this you country, so I do think that when you listed you're very People you could say maybe almost too optimistic about what you're putting forward in prospectus But I then again balance that with what do you think man come out and say no with here don't do it? Yeah, I think my impression I got so you use Apple to compare against I look on you along the lines up

I can use part of Apple values Amazon yeah, I'm profitable for a long time. Yeah, the business was very open Yeah, is that trying to build something big work with? Yeah, I know what I get yeah, oh literally. I'm trying to build something work with me with I want to get there we'll be able to do it and I see Amazon being somewhere in my opinion They're able to choose when to be profitable. I see he got under pressure, I was under pressure. I was in the first profitable quarter and ten years, all to the blue. And then I was under, and then I was after that. And then go, okay, I'm the richest one in the world. I'm that in splitting money and in still rich

as my world. That's a kind of, that's a kind of push that you get to an instinct with a long term idea So of course, I think you're your I won't say overly optimistic Well, you're optimistic and I expect you're my best company in the world Exactly I mean, oh, I year one profit projection What's seven and a half million? Yes, yes You did all seven and half million, I think that was a year And as we are the lasting a public release. I said publicly because I'm

living in New York. I haven't seen anything right? So we're going public numbers. Q two, Q three, um, Q three, man. I think you Q three numbers are out. No, I have it wrong. Q two numbers are out. I'm looking on the York correctness to see you. Sorry, sorry. I was talking about what I do. I see what I know these numbers. Can I come in front of you? I say, oh, it's all the numbers go. And I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I don't see a display quite easily. You say it don't. You say you start a share price with 75 or 65. I feel like I'm 65 or 65. It's actually 70. I said to people, say listen, most companies don't,

they don't, once they've listed, it's only you and me as shareholders, share it as shareable as share price. They see your other phone or the board, they don't care about the share price. They see it for a long time. Well not a board, but I mean I accept a board board, but they see your, doesn't care about the share price.

Because he actually isn't making anything after the movement of the share price. That answers that question people after all the time. Yeah, the movement of a company share. That answers a question people at the time to yeah. The movement of a company share price almost does nothing for the company. They don't make any money off. If you focus, you may need to focus on a star. Yeah, they didn't share price. We will have. And you know, some very seasoned CEOs, honest, that exchange,

I've given my advice though, and say, I'll do our work and just focus on a new work on the business. The rest will come. It will, and the noise, I like that you're not making the noise, I affect you.

So for me, as I've gone ahead, I've been by the press one time to I'm expected, yeah, that's a little number in there for your expected marketing. It's some small six point nine. I look at it, you know, six point nine million

for advertising and marketing. And I'm gonna check if you see very well. I thought stuff like, it's stuff like, I mean, at that point, I think I'm, you would pick it. Yeah. But then there's that, right? I also knew that digital marketing is cheaper

than traditional marketing. I think our marketing. I'm not sure if I break it out in the numbers. I think we do in the details but with the up-ex, um, Q2 marketing, marketing is probably 1.8, they're about 2 million maybe if it's broke note. I don't I don't know if it's broken up but if it's not you heard it here first They I would say oh right right now way You know, obviously we can't speak about much we're publicly listed. Yes, I guess when Q3 numbers come out we'll talk again. Yeah, well, you know,

I definitely bring it up. I'm so forward, but you know, it's just important to just keep close to the growth trajectory of the business and see if you know, there's a light at the tunnel, at the end of the tunnel. That's that's simple why it is. As an investor, you have your appetite. You choose to do what you do with it. But we just have to focus on growing the business. And listen, business like it's business, you know, you just evolve. So you grow, you do what you're doing, and you have a team that is always thinking, coming up with new ideas. Like for me, I have just continued myself, because that's the entrepreneur side, you know. Y'all have a team that is always thinking, coming up with new ideas.

For me, I have just continued myself because that's the entrepreneur I was saying. And I say, oh, listen, let's buckle down, see or move. Do this, do that. Below that balance scorecard, strategic retreat. We have a balance scorecard in the long time. Yeah, like I've heard too much today. No, that's why it comes down to me. Especially as a startup, because you see,

with young businesses, you tend to, and I've been there before. And that's a good thing about experience and so forth with certain things like, when you live in the moment, sometimes we tend to focus on the end, like thinking about the 100 million, and not the 100,000.

And you don't get to see you've made some steps right? You are right now. You're right. Like if, suppose I was saying to Chris and I sharing in 2008, 100,000 to a little bit of meat in Antarctica. Because 10 million companies were open. When we reach 10, we can start meat. Yeah.

No, you have to start from where you are. I see him thing. But there are people who invest in the same thing. Oh, the time. You see him in the start invest. If you have more than 2000, you can't. You have to have 2000, you can't start invest. So, not the account.

We don't take 2000, you can't. When we get the surgical investment, 2011, while we were making in revenues, what we made in 2011 as revenues was about 25% of what we made the following year will increase that by 50% 55% right because I always track these Mimbala and Numbala yeah, I see a unique cause I mean let me go get all the pahib and add some good to it because the last quarter The Numbas you've raised revenue again. You look like I cannot train by 59% Yeah, yeah, and that's the kind of those are the things people should look at Because when I start up the first thing you look at is

Top line and I know it I know it's a bottom-line thing. Yeah, what kind of profit? It was some people and yes, we are profit-led, but you are right start up Start up. It's the biggest indicator for a startup is if people are buying product? Exactly. 1000% think about it. Yep. Yep. Do you have customers? Yes. That's important.

Right. See Timah, some budget email. The 10-Matao business first. You know, it's a good question. Do you have customers? Yeah. And then when you answer, they say yes, I have customers. Okay.

The MAPI. You know. You say the MAPI. You know, 85%. They repeat. You know. You your attention. What's that rate? The recommending people Mm-hmm, right? That's that's

Is a startup is it yep? Yeah, yeah, and then you've sought out anything else that in terms of Yeah it yeah yeah and then you've sought out anything else in terms of it. It's a big recession. It's a big recession. It's a big recession. It's a big recession. It's a big recession. It's a big recession. It's a big recession.

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Straight up the news and it goes profit is 9.6 million last year same time 201 right so you start Sidou's job and then of course you're gonna say big expenses because you are no on the stock exchange obviously you're below so you have those things cas come way before the revenues. Fortunately enough, we grew 60% top line. 59% to you. 59.6% Well, we'll grow 59% then you know, keep eyes on the next quarter. I like that. And it's not, in terms of a story of growth, it's a story of growth.

I am not as worried about it. All right, let me put this in some context. Let me put it in context. Put in context, we listed the company for $70 million. And between April, May, June, you make $30 million. That's like, that's $37% of the numbers around 20. $27% of your son, I killed% yes on the case of this month early 18 and 20

30% waiting for you making revenue in one quarter is a story of growth I think a matter is just the question really fun investor and I say this as as a investor is an investment show is are you willing to wait a month at time for this thing to be built to see what it will become? Well, long I will wait because look at it Q2

We've said it in the results Expenses increased by X as a result of You build out. Yes, you spoke about the I don't agree. You spoke about the 1500 square foot training space. What are the topics? It's almost like you're up there when you're at least going to a certain stage. You're higher and higher than staff. That's right. Do a lot of these things. The day to day. The day to day. Which is just kangaroo. So you do expect that your of these things in the day today, the day today, which is just can't go wrong.

So you do expect that your expenses are going to continue to grow at the rate that your revenues are growing. And I'm not talking no I create specific. I'm just talking general business, general start that is from point of view. Because I think that's the experience I would say I have most and like I understand the start of cycle and serve on board of another start of that's really good. I'm a chair by a very experienced

corporate exec and entrepreneur for Jamaican so forth. So you don't find why you find expensive after a spike after an investment. It's not going to continue to spike at the rate that you're revenue spike. I'll get that. If it's spent the money. Yeah, so when you look at it, no, you're going to access. All right, I create make 40 million losses this quarter. Let's see what next quarter losses are going to.

And you start watching that, right? You watch all the classes moving. And you observe that and you say, what is that taking me close to my prospectus numbers? I'm just saying people who invest in in in in in a startup, publicly listed one, you don't have to be careful, you look for. Yeah, and understand the time is time is your real benefit there. If the kids are important, right? With, with, with, with, with, do like to talk much about local listed companies and so forward, but within Apple, for example, go back to one of my favorite companies, very with Disney, let's talk about this. Bob Eiger, just bought Fox for this big huge money point.

It was a big 80 and 80 and he was like no, it was Comcast. We went in with him for it. And when you look at it with Disney, you know, he's like, all right, they bought Fox. Would you expect it to be extreme? You're going to hit Disney's profit right? Hela, kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak obviously they're gonna be investing in infrastructure to just launch Disney Plus, Consolidator, the film assets and TV assets and launch this big thing. You're not gonna see that, you're hitting profitability yet

because you're gonna be spending a sheet of money on content development. Exactly. So you need to focus on subscriber growth. That's what people looking on, with even Netflix. Yep. But looking on profitability, like that with Netflix, yeah, it needs four cars. With Netflix. Yep. Right. Nobody not looking on profitability like that with Netflix.

Yeah, it's for cars. With Netflix is really profitable, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you meet for cars, everything but you'll see that. Netflix meet for cars today. But subscribers, no, was didn't meet for cars. And look up to the stop price. So that's the, that's the world thing, you know.

Yes, I like, I like it. I like having a line in the owner. It's something like your aunt's part of the company. I want to get a bottle of tarue. I don't know if you said I don't say it. Let's start the board. I have a lot of board moves. You have a lot of board moves. I know the board is sensitive issues.

I can't let somebody don't go to a deep. You have a lot of board moves. I think Kenny Benjamin was the latest is a sensitive issue. I can't let Sanepidonga tour deep. Yeah. Yeah, for a lot of board moves. I think Kenny Benjamin was the latest one to leave it. Yeah, we're a lot of board moves. Yeah, but you know, we have nine board members included myself. Uh-huh. Um, Sanjo came, the legendary Sanjay Glasgow. The legendary Sanjay Glasgow.

Because Sanjay Glasgow and Chir. Sanjay has been with me since 2012. Not just my chair and board member, but almost my mother. Both were in Bian. And it felt just the same. So, it was like when I was five years. I promised first at three and then he stayed on for two more. They're about, and then it's time, you know.

So everybody, you don't come to live on a board. Well, I mean, you see that's a funny thing about Jaminy, we're so used to people living on a board where you still I'm on as been on the board and the world is changing a board member for his entire life the world is changing, you know, and then Sandra is helping so many other young entrepreneurs to choose to like like she's doing so much and developing her venture capital true I don't think that industry, yeah, I mean, she's not into the most...

The public is in that industry. I love to have her on her. Miss Glasgow, if you're here in this, you won't come to our company. Miss Glasgow, my apologies, yeah. My apologies. You know what I mean? I read her to the part where she got me nervous.

I would talk to her about the nervous. She makes everybody nervous. Yeah, I want it. I'm not a person. I don't usually get nervous. I'm a little bit of active. She and everybody nervous. I'm not a person. I don't usually get nervous. Every day, I'm a little active. She and myself, publicly, had an event for a company. And she was there. So she was leaving when I got there.

And I said, I'm so excited. Hi. So she said, Hi. So she's coming on and I'm going to call her. Mr. Rathid and the new Roman from now on. So she got to see Lakers. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Just because I've been following it during the first round. I've spoken to her for a while before. ...no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no If you can come on, we go to San Francisco. So you're right. So you said people have given you a time and they choose to come onto the board. For a certain time, I like to mention Surrey Chattbaz actually gave you a little more time

than you would have expected. So Kenny Benjamin, I know you've had an honor and you're just stepping up. But I'll use Kenny Benjamin opportunity to go a little further into some of your outside of I create industries, because people don't know that Tyrone do, I mean, if you know what Tyrone should know, Tyrone is doing a bunch of things, but I love what that's what I'm happy about the year, I'm saying I say, focus, put it into I create, but I've also seen what you're doing something that I think is very necessary. One, with the music sector in Jamaica, I know you're bringing back son's blood. And on the other side, I know recently Tyrone launched

I think that people asked for all the time, their own private equity, their own private equity firm, their own private equity firm, Kin Tyrone holding, and my name is after I'm pleased to come from. She's right, thank you. Read that one in most fields. I mean, I'm a mixed man. One of the most fearsome getters in Kingston, Kin Tyrone.

So the maternal, it almost changes the image the image right now between you and Assassin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Kintaya is one of the things everybody won't go know. But yeah, you have Kintaya, what do you call it? Kintaya holding. Yes. And you had a way, I don't want to tell your story for you. Tell me a story. Tell me about Kintaya me a story. Tell me a story.

Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story.

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Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a story. It has always been like a love startup. I'm going to check out the capitalism and private equity and you know equity and notes and precious and like I guess it's a banking and finance degree. I business, business, business. But I think there's so much to learn getting funding.

Yes, you know, not from a school perspective, but a kiss by a kiss. As if I'm supposed to tell my stories about how I get funding and the things the the the the ups out to jump through and the learning curve you know so as the Kent Aeolins know to say oh someone who have done it you know get funding and feel like I can contribute to other entrepreneurs to get funding so sometimes the funding is not going to be my phone but I'll work with them to get the funding is not going to be my phone, but I'll work with them to get the funding and also risk one so my ventures. And that's what Kentelolins are about, you know, so see believe achieve. That's the kind of tagline I use. You can tell me what you believe

in it and it worked towards and achieve the success from it. That's Kentter O'olins, so of course it's O'olins, no, it's my O'olins. Like I generated that kind of wealth in equity through my 10 years of work and I just put that in Kenter, that's my startup capital. You can use them for somebody else and for another things. …and hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hefnau, hef to, I think we need to develop a culture of the industry, the car of one team car to the market. So even if you decide down the line that you're not going to do it, you can like for Jamaica financial economy, so to the economy to get better and businesses to thrive and more people putting in money, you need to be an active trade in stocks. That's true.

The formality force on the company. That's what I'm saying. America, you know, that's the... Of course, the formality brings discipline, and focus, and pressure, and change sometimes. But the most important thing is that I've met a lot of people who want to invest. What do you know? Oh,

the money I got back to literally that is a hundred percent true. You know, like or private equity market is not liquid. So you invest in our business and dog numbers, so for like, you don't know when you're gonna get back your money, right? From it. So, like, we need to kind of develop a culture where we are looking, you know, one, we're developing a more vibrant private equity market and two, or public, you know, the stock exchange becomes, you know, more active. Yes, actually, please. Yo, we're going to be honest, I know it's terrible and get business with people as well.

So you used the hype called change on me, cut people as an, you know, everybody IPO? One, no. Not even 10% of the people, I'm two. Everybody should be IPO. It should be something that you want to go towards. You get me?

I look on all my companies and I see them as something that even if I'm not listening I've run it like it can list tomorrow. Yeah, my eyes have to think of it as an option Yeah, I'm doing yeah literally I don't that when we agree when I use to say I get why you do business with you do business on because you understand the need of getting it to that point So that's the thing like people Run your business properly. Mm-hmm. You know, it's not just I tell you more it's much more interesting. It's not know, it's not just...

I tell you more, it's helped much more in the internet. It's not, yeah, it's not just profits alone. It's integrity, character, it's managing the business properly. It reports on time. Is the investment come when people feel like... They're confident, they've not got lose anymore. Which also, we're at a good, ...aar e-cantananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananan Nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, nihau, n you know, fingers crossed, they're not verbal, cry man. And then go school and then come home.

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that is well kept, always tidy, clean, door lock and everything. I'll pose the anti-demansha and when certain governance and structures kicking and I'm not like saying I'm innocent all of that because like, me and I are with the entrepreneur and the CEO all the time. Oh, we didn't hear self, yeah. The entrepreneur like fuck it like takes Chris. Yeah, just do this.

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I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that.

I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. I trap that. Like when when when I started asking big experience people for giant boards. But no young people my age never asked people for giant board. But you want money for spend the way demo on spending. That's right. Yeah,

Nissan. So when we get the such a core investments when done upon Perkins com and say, oh, Tyrone will invest in you, you know, like Yava board. I will say, yeah, I'm about about that board. Chris and Sherry. I will meet every month. I'm a cancer in the minutes. yaba bort, a'o saye, me'o bana baz bort, krisan'a sherry, a'o mi'u teb'o munt, a' trouve le défi. Il faut qu'on se trouve le défi. Oui, c'est bon. Il faut que tu aimes le défi.

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And when I got to Richard, you know, young people might even have got to. Good to know, man. Remember the first time I said I'm a Mr. Richard Biles investing in Tyrone wasn't I was an I create a 3 media big deal and pull that off

weren't going for those things so that's the thing you kind of like back to the point of developing our venture capital private equity and even the damn stock exchange because it still needs developing walaong sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kitalan sa kitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa kitalan sa kakitalan sa kakitalan sa Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because I don't want to be the only one who wants to be the only one. I mean, other people for coming and like create a new wave of young people in business who are taking risks and, you know, reaping success

and brush themselves off when they fall and everything. So I'm just doing the story. The beauty of stock market is, you know, even the failures are a story that go to market. I don't have any money. I don't have any money. I don't have any money. I don't have any money. I don't have any money. I don't have any money. I don't have any money. I don't have any money.

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Of course, I still read what the auditors say, but we've seen where that can go bad. We've seen where auditors can step back. I don't see your auditors running back from me. I hope I never ever sit there, right? No, I'm bored in a play. Alright, thank you. I share all that I want. I like that. And you're untruth bill over people. Show to my couple episode, you have a giant big up attack injury. Well, I have a giant his podcast. I have a giant injury, say, Tyron B is going to start to encourage.

Tyron, give the boss a hand. And I say, it's a holy for people like, yeah, help push to a point of them being able to ask the things on them own. I wonder the show talkers, I never get it right. The guy who went to the I create graduate at Film Cave on Twitter, big up at Film Cave. I don't know in real name. But people from New Orleans, a copyrighter, and no one thing. In shoot at them, I'm very professional to the point where I feel bad because I'm sending to him.

And I'm saying, get back to you at X time and get back to my X time. Send me the email and I'll come to me and ask me for feedback. And me too, please forgive me. Big up at Film Cave. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry tell the boy you tell the boy kin tya you tell the boy the private equity I'm glad for the people it's like see I grew up in the thing so yeah menonno we have we have in my next I mean just have a say we get sunsrash 2020 there we go because the adams is put on news if I guess everybody get everybody excited no man we excited we excited both on specials. It's good for our creative talent work on these shows.

Students get the opportunity to work on it for a person to see an actual production put together. Yeah, yeah. Undergrant experience. See an actual production put together. Yeah, yeah Every year Mm-hmm. So I mean Yes, and yours shows I don't know one time thing. I know that's the final example Yeah, so excited. I will I guess I'm fresh. I know I'm excited. I'm making pride. You bring it back It has been a whole long like 13 years. Oh, you pull it off

Guys, I'm It has been a whole long. Like 13 years. For your political. Guides on. They got Kenny Benj, I mean. Kenny, Kenny, Guides on On. The brand. Ah. What they invested with us last year. An interior company. Emedial.

And it's almost like an acquisition of sorts. The licensing. You can look at it like you buy another business. Yes, essentially. That's an entire business. And this is not just nice. So festivals are big. Yes.

Like, huge in terms of revenue. Like, you can list, reduce on the spot. Yes. You can like, and it will do our, so much other junior market companies Is there a revenue on profits easily? Yeah, it's successful So it's it's one of those type of businesses that we excited about it's like a next level for us It's taking us into a whole different

Area it's creative creative economy, but it's music, entertainment. We've never done it before, but... So you know what the name says right here, Buck? Just like... What type of music is that? Just like... Just like... Just like in India, just like TV.

I prove it already, so it's... Yeah, but it's... It's a kiddo, and this is a CEO, but... Right. With some spaces, it's a bit is the sea or pot, right? With sun splash, it's being more the sea or than the entrepreneur. So you find good people. I'll put them in the space. We have this.

So we have Robert Stewart, who truckers, this is Nick Niem, who is a tour manager for Festival. It's a producer, a butcher band, is a producer for Bujuban, and long walk of freedom. So he produced it, and he's also a producer for Bujub tours. One of the best in the industry, you know, you know, you know, you get better. It speaks for himself,

kind of everybody optil, optil Bujub actually was finished in stadium. Everybody sure was going to be a failure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And look at that work on it. It ain't getting better now. We have Jerome from Made Line and so forth.

So we have some good people. My job now is to kind of put together a creative vision and paint a big picture. And we just all make it work, we'll frame it. So we're excited about that. A lot of work, we're one year away, we're raising some phones now and of course a private company was a public business because it's festival, you know if it's floppy, everybody else is right after back there, they say it's theirs, they're quasi listed without festival. ...at least, he is there. ...and he is there. ...and he is there. ...and he is there.

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...and he is there. ...and he is there. You mention, so compare that LinkedIn bot. Linda. Linda. So, how you see yourself, I create position in themselves in that market, the online market, because, as I say, creatives, they can market themselves in the world. So, look at your makeup and person. It's an evolution. So, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the full to think that that's not the next step. Because we're new at it, you have to master how to teach it in person and then you find the best balance

between technology and real life in person, physical training because the good thing is skill training. So you get out of it with short courses online. You know, with the degrees, it's a little bit tougher. This type of degree. You know, creative courses in a degree format, and stuff, but you get out with the online

short skills training. So that's our next level. We're just kind of mastering, delivering it in person. And then we're going to take it and put it on. Put it word. Alright, so you're pushing online, because there's a question as to why you're pushing such a heavy effort and emphasis on the in person at the visit. You know, it's pretty much a start at a school school, but the truth also, I would think is that from a school you can scale yeah yeah put your tongue in the Google classroom yeah

holy power things as yeah myself have looked at that so I like that I go look at it yeah I like that yeah my my actually put some money in a tarry mic my account is you know in a bridge in a boss

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There we go. You're invested in Patrick, I invest in Michael Lee Chin. There we go. And if you look at what those guys have been doing or an entire team at NCB, they're just getting started. Yep. My gosh. Charging deal is literally start of the other stuff. Start of the other stuff. At a huge scale. Right. At a huge scale.

They know the joke. Everybody has's an NCB don't. Just getting started. It is literally just getting started. Yep. Right. Compining that wanted to list on the stock exchange in the US. New York stock exchange. Yeah. Nice. I think it was a try. A couple years ago. I feel like it's going to happen. It's almost inevitable. At this point, it's not matter of do they want to. Yeah. People just hit that for the wrong reasons. Yeah. almost inevitable. At this point, it's not matter of, do they want to. That has, yeah. People just hit that for the wrong reasons to do me. Yeah, it's like, at some point it's gonna happen, right?

NCB is a giant, but a giant that is just moving into new territory. So, that company is gonna move. And then you look at the leadership, right? Lot of young people there, and high leadership level. High leadership. So you think about succession.

Yeah, and how are you going to continue what is happening? Yeah, man. Patrick Young, you know, when I got PSOJ 50 and a 50, I mean, to touch on that. Yes. Matter of fact, I like you mentioned that. I'm going to take some, the PSOJ, I hear Sandra Glasgow is in charge of that. So she put together, I'm a piece of the PSOJ. I hear Sandra Glasgow's in charge

I like it. She put together. I'm a big girl. I'm gonna put the you'll see it in the show notes But there is a picture of the 50 and a 50 and a section that he's in is is you're in the financiers Oh, yeah, I mean you yeah, he's in a shot call us and the shot call us I mean it's a picture if you can paint a picture at a future, that is the way to do it. It's Tyrone. You remember Kimala? Kimala. It's been a big of Kimala every day, every time. The land of farms of Phase III.

And Stam Sata. Stam Sata. All the movies he named earlier, Stam Sata. Everybody else in Kimala, the lab. Tyrone, I create plus skin tack, all the other things. It's literally, I mean, Phase III, at this point, I mean at McAtoot where they say, …the untenham can there is less. …I hope that that will be fixed at some point in the future.

You know when I saw the Lava's process and the global outlook, …claims that they want my previous ads and I've… I have an I've known Kimada for years. No one Kimada for years. She's just getting that. Yes. And I said, I create fees into that. Yeah. So if them going on a global scale,

they'll be taking on more videos. We'll feed them into everybody that's definitely seeing this. Yes. Yes. So, you're entering the market, no? Right. That's why I said, in terms of the long term outlook,

there is no question to it. Yeah, to me, it does look like it. At some point, I'm going to tell you what's funny. At some point, and I'm sure people quote me on this. Maybe the next five to seven, maybe I'll be nice and say five to 10 years. I like to be generous. We've met Lu Pagan Gaurat, Lu Krabai, that's 76.

I might say that. I might say that. I could say that. So that's the thing. NCB. So I like that. You know, I never give you a parameter, but let's say if you can put the next five years, and put the other same parameters. So NCB is It's a lie that you know I never give you a parameters but let's say if you can put the next

five years and put it under the same parameters. NCB is still fixed. Five to ten. They just get inserted. I'm with you on that NCB. Boom. They are just getting started. Literally.

The market from a financial perspective is still very small. The bank and the unmanked people are buying stocks and weren't buying stocks tiny percentage of insurance market that they were going right so you think about that that that competing right so let me split it junior market and see the market see anything me they do I do it is very Maki, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, cb, Well, this one is tough. Mm-hmm. On a junior market. What is 5 to 10? 5 to 10 years from now. Take a time, there's no pressure. Yeah, I mean, I like Fontano. For several reasons, they were inclined. The agency standpoint. So I got you know,

inaus, exposure to them and how passionate they are about what they do. You know, their global first world thinking. Yes. Yes. to their business, right? Which is what bring brought them to where they are known. I love Fontana, I said I grew 400% recently and I'm going to continue to grow profit and and stock price, not saying that from a pick, you know, I said the lab You know, you know, you know, you know, that Yeah, I almost want to know why I said the lab again is because people Right, that's what they like for me, I buy people, buy stocks, buy people.

And Kimala, you can't sleep on Kimala. Trust me. She is, you know, of course, I want to say, an email. And we tend to not, you know, we still have a lot of bias when it comes to females in a lot of things in including business in Jamaica and can tell you from a business standpoint in this creative economy, Kimala isn't a creates some damage. I'm not talking from an inside perspective as I'm not talking. I'm just talking just based on the fact that I've known her for 10 years. You know Kimala, she's not there.

I know that she's very committed to what she does. She's passionate about it. She understands the business and she's also a developer of people. Yes. So there are people who can also fill their shoes down the line. We're talking about five to ten years. Definitely you're going to want to look at the lap. Easy, Ben.

I like that. Strong. Give it one more for up it. One more. You want to see now? Anyone. You're a choice. So funny.

Funny enough. I don't love the way they execute finance. Right? But I'm going to say Sadja Kure. Okay. I love the, we have a very skewed finance, right? But I'm going to say Sadikur. And why I'm going to say Sadikur is because, of course, I know the people. Again, leadership, right? The youth that exists in the group. Sadikur has some areas that I mean,

I didn't want them to get to the tourism and the resort business. No, that did I. You did, you did. That really, you yeah, and if we're looking closely on the tourism industry, I'm not going to say anything, but if we're looking closely on the tourism industry, I don't think they should have, but you see, it's asthma, because that business is a business in itself. So you're going to do it properly, I'm not going to do it at all. Yep, so you can understand why they'll move that way, but Sadie core Was it that part? So Sadie core x phone bought playa playa

And so yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, the... Yeah, the... Yeah, the... Yeah, the... Yeah, the... Yeah, the... Yeah, the exception of... I think Palmyra... Yeah.

That's still... That's still exists within... In the next one. But, um... But you know insurance market is gonna grow continue to grow now of competition from NCB of course with the Guardian But you know banking is is is still Very small very small America and Charvel is a great leader Talk from proof, top, top, top. Right. And Zaka moved like Bro Dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I, I, I had me to be in Doat for when I saw him going there, but I mean, since him going to be sponsored, he's sponsored a food for him. Yeah. Bro Dad. Yeah. Yeah. Um, they're just bad advantage. Um, I know is the general insurance business and then of course Kevin over by a surgical investment is doing all sort of new and innovative things.

Yeah, which is a heavy field to be into competitive, innovative ones. So, I know Kevin from when I was in getting my first investment from Pan Caribbeanian when he was there and so forth. So again, all those people that I mentioned are young. And I think Sajik Kurs is going to, I mean, I'm watching the new parent company, but they're going to continue to do some damage. They're going to grow. And they're going to grow, not small growth. Once everything has been integrated,

there is new Sajikur, you know, the control. That's true. Matter of fact, you haven't touched it. Remember, say, then by Scorsha, Jamaica's insurance, package to the, yeah, then by NCB is insurance package locally. So this new Sajikor I would like to call it is gonna do some damage to it. So I'm sure it's still making record profits every year. Yeah, yeah. I see more coming on board. So people might look at these businesses and say billions other profit.

How much more can they grow? No, actually, that's what I'm worried. No way to reach the next. Piappu, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati, pati pati and then I know Starron, I'll go to politics. Well, I don't even know. You don't know? I'd rather say I'd not. I would say. Why could he say yes, politics? 20 years, I'm not gonna say on my show, I'm saying from first, I'm a draft, he said, we're just low. It's the most honorable boy. Yeah.

No, right, no, we're just, yeah. It's gonna work. Concentrate and I like it. I like that. So thank you very much. As always, probably honestly, one of the most open CEOs on the exchange. Yeah, yeah's gonna work. Concentrate and I like it. I like that. Thank you very much. As always, probably on the most open CEOs on the exchange. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a big up for that. Thank you very, very much. I don't want car too long. We've gone almost two hours. Some people can't. It's a lot. Lens of people like it. But yeah, this has been earning season.

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