Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast - Effectively Wild Episode 2527: Feels Like the First Time

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, please visit our Patreon. Ben Lindbergh and Meg Rowley banter about duplicate episode titles and the Angels being slightly less bad than previously indicated, Stat Blast about extended team droughts between multi-hit MLB debuts, and discuss the arrival and role of Padres prospect Ethan Salas, a (deep breath) Cubs-produced, TikTok-based, baseball-themed, microdrama rom-com, whether they have any interest in VR baseball broadcasts, and an apparent change in Minor League Baseball’s ball, followed by additional Blasting about a Jordan Walker fact that may or may not be fun, catcher hot-swaps, center fielders on the mound, and all-win/loss days for divisions. Audio intro: Jimmy Kramer, “Effectively Wild Theme” Audio outro: Gabriel-Ernest, “Effectively Wild Theme” Link to duplicate episode titles Link to Episode 1240 Link to Episode 1573 Link to Paine on Moreno/Kroenke Link to Kroenke’s land ownership Link to Langs post 1 Link to Langs post 2 Link to debutant dingers article Link to gaps between debuts Link to Close Encounters scene Link to Montes debut article Link to Ichiro rookie hits record Link to Ichiro video Link to Montes video Link to Ben on debutant batters Link to proj. strength of schedule Link to M’s rookie batting WAR Link to BP on Jenkins Link to BP on Salas Link to ESPN on Salas Link to New Yorker on microdramas Link to Quibi wiki Link to Variety on Nine Innings to Love Link to Nine Innings to Love trailer Link to The Notebook scene Link to VR broadcasts article Link to Jake/Jordan broadcast info Link to Ben’s plot hole video Link to Cooper on the MiLB ball Link to Cooper on college homers Link to Ben on the MiLB-to-MLB gap Link to Clay on the MiLB-to-MLB gap Link to FG on MiLB ball construction Link to Walker alleged fun fact Link to ITYSL meme Link to Williams vs. Wood post Link to catchers data Link to The Onion on Gillette Link to wild 1902 game Link to Garver EW episode Link to all-loss division days Link to all-win division days Link to listener emails database  Sponsor Us on Patreon  Give a Gift Subscription  Email Us: [e-mail]  Effectively Wild Subreddit  Effectively Wild Wiki  Apple Podcasts Feed   Spotify Feed  YouTube Playlist  Facebook Group  Bluesky Account  Twitter Account  Get Our Merch! var SERVER_DATA = Object.assign(SERVER_DATA || {}); Source

Number one, Fanggrass baseball podcast. This stat cast is that blast. T OPS Plus, when the stats need contrast. Zips and steamer for the forecast. Hello and welcome to episode 2527 of Effectively Wild, a baseball podcast from Fangraphs presented by our Patreon supporters. I am Ben Lindberg of the Ringer, joined by Meg Rally of Fangraphs. Hello, Meg.

Hello. Well, I'm washed. Okay. I just came to this realization today. Maybe this was known to others for some time, but I have realized much to my dismay that I am not as novel and innovative as I thought I was. When I come up with the episode titles for Effectively Wild, sometimes I check myself to make sure that I'm not repeating myself and that I'm not doing a duplicate episode title because we're. We've had a lot of episodes over the years. So as I was crafting a title and doing some brainstorming for our last episode 2526,

which featured an interview with acoustics expert Jack Wrightson, my first impulse was to go with make some noise, which was an expression that came up on the interview and obviously would be relevant to the subject matter. And then I thought, you know, I better check. Maybe I've had that impulse before. and I was initially pleased that I had checked and then immediately deeply disturbed because I realized that not only had I used that episode title previously,

but I used it twice. What? So this was my third time I was trying to go back to the well with Make Some Noise. And this was years ago. And evidently, I was not aware of this or forgot about it or it wasn't brought to my attention. Episode 1240 was entitled,

make some noise, and episode 1573 was entitled, Make Some Noise. This was in the Jeff era and then fairly early in the Meg era. And now I'm spiraling and I'm wondering, well, how deep does the rabbit hole go? How often have I repeated myself? And in order to adhere to accountability in podcasting, I commissioned a stat blast about episode titles just to see how How often I have repeated myself. Now, I think we can exclude season preview series repetitions. Yeah, okay. So we've actually had four episodes that were entitled Season Preview Series, colon, Red Sox and Reds.

I don't know if I was being cute or if it just so happened that the two teams with Red in their name lined up four times. But, yeah, that has happened several times, but that's just luck of the draw and the order of the production. and the projected standings when we do those things. However, this was the third non-preview episode that had a dupe. We had episode 1276 and 1436 headlined reviewing the regular season, which I guess we were doing in both cases, different regular seasons. And then recent examples, episode 2325 and 2478, MLB's new main characters, which we were doing sort of a themed discussion of the players who had attained a newfound prominence in that season. But nonetheless, I don't think that was an intentional repetition on my part.

So, wow, this is quite an epiphany. I have to reevaluate everything. I'm reeling from this discovery that we've had at least three legitimate repeats, though. This is really the only one that was an expression was really an attempt to be cute or have some play on words. So at least that hasn't happened all that often. And, you know, 2,500 plus episodes, maybe this was bound to happen at some point or a few points. Were any of them my mistake? Because sometimes on the rare occasions when you're out of town, I'm left to title the episodes. And my memory of it is, well, it's less good than yours,

you know, I don't, I don't know. I do try to Google beforehand, but I, right. I'm aware of that services limitations these days. So were any of them my mistake? I don't think so. I appreciate your attempt to take some blame and fall on your swords. But no, this is all on me. So, yeah, I guess it's just, I don't know, you do enough episodes eventually. They're going to wind up and you're going to end up using the same.

It's podcasters on typewriters, typing out Shakespeare or something. Not that the episode titles are Shakespeare. But there we go. Now you all know, and it's all out there in the open. And you're probably all thinking this is the first time it's dawned on you that you may have repeated yourself on Effectively Wild. No, I've been well aware of that. But in this particular way, no, not necessarily. So here we are.

It's all laid bare. Thank you to Effectively Wild WikiKeeper Raymond Chen for doing the like work on tracking down the duplicate episode titles. So, yeah. Yeah. This reminds me, I think there was a recent crisis where one of us said the wrong episode number in an episode intro. Right. And then maybe it came out that that had happened previously. Boy, scary stuff. I think that that was a joint error, as I recall, because you, just to pull back the curtain, you know, you put the episode title in the little window that we record in in the software.

And I think I'm the one who said it, but you told me. I set you up. Right. And as our listeners know, and here I am repeating myself, I don't remember when I say on the podcast. But that was a collective failure, I think, really. Well, I'm sure this is fascinating to everyone. But, hey, now you know.

And technically, if we do want to be technical about it, which often we do, I guess you could say that these are not fully duplicate titles because the episode number is part of the title, technically. And so that does distinguish them. But I think that spiritually it is duplication, right? Yeah, it is. Yeah.

Well, I will endeavor to avoid such duplication in the future. Not that anyone else noticed this as far as I'm aware anyway. Yeah. Yeah. While I'm being accountable, I must also mention that I did The Angels dirty last time, slightly, because I alluded to them having not lost 100 games in a season for a long time. but then finally having done so. In fact, they still have not as we speak.

Now, I may have just been a few weeks ahead, but I think I conflated the fact that the Rockies finally lost 100 for the first time in 2023 and then subsequently blew by 100 in later seasons. And then the Angels lost 99 in 2024. So they came one loss away. But they have not done it yet. However, they are, as we speak, on Thursday. they just barely on pace to lose 100 this season.

So maybe I was just anticipating what was about to happen. This season, because of the parity and the compression in the standings, as we've discussed, it's not just that there aren't any teams that are setting themselves apart from the pack in a positive direction. It's also on the bottom end, too. The worst teams are not nearly as terrible as they have been in recent seasons. And so this has a chance to be, I believe, the first season since 2014, excluding 2020, of course, without any 100 game winner or loser. Right. But maybe the Angels will do it or someone else will.

And actually, that was so long ago, 2014, that I think the Angels led MLB in wins that year. Oh, gosh. With 98. That was Mike Trout's brief foray into the playoffs. It is a funny thing to try to convince people of if they are newer to the game or young, you know, you know when you're young. I don't. I don't know, unfortunately. Not anymore.

Yeah. Not anymore. That this used to be like a well regarded good franchise, you know? Yeah. And there is something sort of narratively sad but also satisfying about like it. being the home then of like the twilight of Poolehouse's career for the same reason, right? Where it's like part of what made Poole Holes's last season so exciting was that we, we old heads who had like seen and appreciated his peak were able to say to the young,

like, no, this is what we were talking about, right? Like this was, you know, it's not, he's not the same guy, right? because he is sold and you know he's platooning a lot but like when when he's doing the thing you can see why we were so excited about him you know and why

it's like oh yeah of course he's in the Hall of Fame and like people who didn't see any of that are like what are you guys talking about? You're suffering from a collective delusion and then it was like no reality is here and it looks like this or at least it sort of did like it was

better than this but also it was like a version of this. And, and I, I think that we struggle with the angels. Like, you know, he made beer cheaper. Remember when already made beer cheaper? I actually don't remember that, but like, he made, he made, he made beer cheaper at the ballpark and, like, he was. Initially, he was, yeah, he was welcomed with open arms and running high payrolls and money around. And, you know, I do think, I do, I do believe, well, maybe, maybe it would be better to say, I would be interested to hear from residents of Orange County about like how much the name thing mattered to them. I have known people from Orange County who are happy to be mistaken for Los Angeles.

But I also, but also I've known plenty of people from Orange County and specifically Anaheim who have real pride of place. And I imagine that rubbing them the wrong way and them being like, well, we're not just Disneyland. How dare you? And so there's that too, you know? And what do you do with that? What do you do with it? We wish them well and also Stan Cronkey with his competitive aspirations and also whatever land development deals.

He is eyeing as a result of this purchase. But enough about Artie and the Angels for now. Stan Cronkey's Rams. Well, I don't want them to trade for Ladd McConkey because Ladd McConkey is good. but Stan Cronkey should employ Ladd McConkey. Don't you think, Ben? I have strong opinions on that subject, but I'll save them for a future episode. I can't believe we didn't get any emails about my brilliant suggestion to have Aaron Donald play for the Angels.

Like, I feel like I cracked it, you know? I found the solution to my own anxiety about the Rams defensive line and no one joined me. I was just like left there, holding the back. Cronky is already the largest private landowner in the country prior to this acquisition and any development he might do because he has about 3 million acres or so, which seems like more than anyone human should have. But anyway, good for Stan and the Walton family fortune. So elsewhere in the A.O. West, I have something to mention about the Mariners, and I know we probably devote disproportionate attention to the Mariners on this podcast. Although, yeah, I do think they have become noteworthy by being so bland and so disappointing. And remember early in the season, we had all kinds of conversations about which were the most disappointing teams.

And some of those teams that we were naming then, probably not so disappointing now. Some of them may be still somewhat disappointing. But the Mariners have climbed that list. They are up there, depending on how the season ends. but presuming they do, in fact, miss the playoffs, given how weak the AL field is, how easy it would have been for them to make the playoffs and the expectations for them entering this season

and coming off the high of last year, they're definitely, despite not being a terrible team, they're absolutely up there in the disappointing rankings. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed, or maybe you're also a bit mad. Well, I'm a bit mad, but, you know, I have a particular angle on that club. I am curious, though.

I'm interested, because I had, I received some feedback the other day. Not from emails from someone I know. Because I was talking about the Mariners in these terms. I was like, well, if they don't make the postseason. And then this person was like, but so you don't think they're going to make the playoffs, right? Like, had to have like a, and I don't, to be clear. I think that they will, they will miss the postseason and they will sit at home throughout October and think about what they've done. but I know that technically it's still possible.

And the AL is bad. They just took a series from Boston. That's a good club. They've had a couple of good series ones. It's so confusing. But anyway, we can be done talking about them as a playoff team, right? Like, right? Probably.

Of course, the fangrass playoff odds have been high on them all year and still give them about a one in five shot. But they're four. Yeah, it's tough. They do, however, have an extremely easy sked. They have a very easy schedule. They have the easiest schedule of baseball over the final months. Yeah. And yeah, it's so few games, as Josian always says, variance swamps everything.

So who knows, really, they could reel off a bunch of wins or someone else could. But strength of schedule does have some bearing on that. So they're not entirely out of it just because of how lackluster the competition is. I'm sure speaking of repeating ourselves, I've probably used this line before. the AL race just keeps making me think of Luke in The Last Jedi saying no one's ever really gone. Because every time I write off a team in the American League, suddenly I look up and I'm saying there's a chance, maybe. So we'll see. But what I wanted to mention about the Mariners, so I noted on the outro on our last episode, that they were more battered debutante heroics.

and some of them were by Lassaromantes of the Mariners and also Johan DiMorales of the Nationals and they both homered in their MLB debuts and as Sarah Lange noted, there have now been 15 players to homer in their MLB debuts this year. That's if you include Chase DeLotter who did debut in the postseason last year. And that is the most in a season in MLB history.

In fact, I guess you don't even need to include DeLauder because the previous record was 13 in 2020. and now we're up to 15 with weeks left to go in the season. But Sarah had another fact that seemed like a fun fact, but then doubled as an unfun fact from a Mariners perspective, I think. She noted that Lasra-Montes is the first Mariners player with multiple hits in his MLB debut since Etro Suzuki in 2001. Also went on to say he's the third in franchise history with multiple hits and multiple

RBI in his debut, joining, of course, 1998 Shane Monaghan and 1983 Al Chambers. The 2-1 pitch, swung on, ground ball back up the middle, out's into center field, and Ichiro is on the board with his first major-leg hit. A sharply stroke shot right back up the middle off Miguel to out of the shortstop, and on into center field.

Ground ball, base hit right field, and a run batted in. Lasso Romantes claps his hands, and in his major league debut, His first at bat picks up his first major league hit. So that was fun because first since Ichero, just thinking about Itchro makes me happy. But then I thought it's been 25 years since any Mariners hitter

had multiple hits in his MLB debut. That seemed extremely improbable to me. I guess this is a mini-stap blast. I have a little stab-blasting to go later in the episode, but this will be a teaser. that that's surprising? Yeah. That's not surprising to me.

It should be. I mean, not because the Mariners, not because the Mariners are bad. But it's just like how many debuts are there? It's one day. I'm about to tell you. Okay. That doesn't surprise me. I mean, like maybe it seems like kind of long, but it's not like shocking to me.

Maybe my sense of these things has been altered by how futile the club is. Maybe so, yep, maybe it's because you're a Mariners fan that you don't think this is surprising. this is the norm for you, but I think it may actually shock you once I share the stats. So just to check my instinct that this was surprising, I just looked at some other teams, just stat-headed and checked a few teams over that same span of 2001 to present. And all the ones I checked were add or close to double-digit totals of guys doing this over that span, as opposed to two for the Mariners. So the spot checking seemed to confirm that this was somewhat out of the ordinary.

So, of course, to get a more rigorous answer, I put this to Michael Mountain, frequent stateless correspondent. And it turns out that this Mariners gap from Ichiro to Montez is the second longest gap ever. The pirates didn't have a multi-hit debut between April 15, 1958. R.C. Stevens, and June 25, 1985, Sam Khalifa, that was 9,933 days. The Mariners had a gap of 9,283 days. So they were close to the record. And it's kind of number one and two with a bullet. No other team is close in the integration era. At least no other team has gone more than 7,700 days between multi-hit debuts. That was the Dodgers, Don Sutton, the pitcher, April, 1960s. to Mike Ramsey in April 1987. And just to put into perspective, how easy it would have been to have multiple multi-hit debuts in the interim there, seven integration error teams have had multi-hit debuts from two players on the same day.

And there is one famous example of that, at least, Lou Whitaker and Alan Trammell, of course, whose careers mapped each other. They both debuted on September 9th, 1977, in the second game of a double-hack. header. Whitaker went three for five with a double while Trammell went two for three. Most recently, Aaron Judge and Tyler Austin each went two for four in their MLB debuts on August 13th, 2016. Both hit a homer as well, which is the only time that that has ever happened, two debuts with two plus it, including a homer for the same team on the same day. And I will link to a spreadsheet with every gap of more than a year for active franchises. The new longest active gap by this,

This accounting is the Yankees after the Mariners have removed themselves from consideration. Their last multi-hit debut was Clint Frazier on July 1st, 2017, I believe, unless maybe one happened this year. Michael's using Retro-Sheet data up to 2026 for most of this. Didn't George Lombard Jr. have two hits? Did Lombard have two? He had a big first day, right? He had a home. Maybe I might be blending him and his brother.

I might be blending the story because they both home. that day, but I'm realizing I don't know if Lombard, George Lumberg Jr. had another hit in that debut. He did not. Yeah, he went one for two with a walk in a homer.

I think it should count, though. You know, the two brothers. Yeah, sure. It feels like I should count. Collectively. Yeah. However, we can make this even more extraordinary because the next thing I asked Michael

was, what if you go by number of debuts instead of gap between debuts? Right. And both are valid. I think, when you're talking about the fan experience of just how long you've gone without seeing that happen. But it's even more noteworthy, I think, if you just had more players debut without doing it. And by that measure, this is singular. This is unique.

This is unprecedented. Michael says, if I counted correctly, Montas is the seventh player to make his MLB debut this year with Seattle. That makes him, or at least hitter, that makes him the 367th MLB player to date. debut in a Mariners uniform and Ichero was number 152. Their delta of 215 debuts, so there were 215 debuts between Ichro and Montez is the largest gap for any active franchise dating back to at least the beginning of AL play in 1901. The previous longest gap was for the New York Giants. Charlie Bab went two for four in his debut on April 17, 1903, and the next debutant to get two

hits in a Giants uniform was Andy Reese on April 15th, 1927. That was 165 debuts later, and again, 215 for the Mariners. And I asked how that Pirates streak compares, the only one that had a longer gap than the Mariners, and not nearly as many. So this does absolutely surpass that. That was only 135 debuts, even though it was longer chronologically. So, yeah, this was noteworthy, and maybe your perspective is skewed because you have been weighed down by a bunch of bad batting Mariners debuts for decades. So I can see that as a possibility. I don't know that I believe this to matter very much, though, right? Right?

Like, I don't think that it is necessarily indicative of anything. It's not predictive of their future success. No, there have been so many bad Mariners position players that, again, maybe I'm just. hopelessly warped by this dumb baseball team. But like, so what? You know what I mean? Like, so what? I mean, don't get me wrong.

The Monta's debut was very exciting. And that home run was so nice. And his family was there. And I don't know if it's his girlfriend or his wife or his fiancé. But like, you know, his lady was there with their baby. And that baby was bouncing up and down because she was so excited. I was like the brain, the little baby brain, watch a little baby brain. You know, people just whip those kids around.

But it was very exciting and he did the guitar riff on the Trident and like, you know, Wolliose thrilled for him and Randy's so excited. So it's like, it's good. I'm here to assert a very controversial opinion, Ben, which is that it is good to get hits as a hitter, you know? Agreed. Yeah. Other people aren't brave enough to say it, but I am. But I can't get worked up about this futility.

Oh, maybe I'm very broken. Is this a sign that I need to go back to therapy? Yeah, they've lowered your expectations so much that you just expect failure from their debutants, perhaps. What do you think Dustin Ackley is doing right now? You know what I mean? Like, what's Dustin up to? What's his day like? Not playing major league baseball or professional baseball as far as I know.

But I'm not sure what Dustin's up to. He's 38, so perhaps he would have been out of the game by now. even if things that worked out a bit better for him. But yeah, if you go by number of debuts between multi-hit games, then the longest active gap by debut count is now the A's, including this season. I think 77 players have made their MLP debut in an A's uniform since Seth Brown went two for six in a 19 to four blowout win over the Royals

in his debut on August 26th, 2019. So the Yankees gap is longer by time, but they haven't had as many debuts. Okay, so this is perhaps a good, a good indication of what I mean, though. So like, you wouldn't say that Seth Brown was a good baseball player, would you? You know, like, I mean, he's not playing for a major league team right now. I don't know if he's in a minor league system. Is he still with Oakland's minor?

No, you just said in New York. He's in New York's minor league system. But Seth Brown, not a good baseball player. Yes, you concede? Yeah, not by big league standards. He was, uh, he had his. moments. He had some okay offense, but on the whole, not great. And how long is the A's current drought? Since him. So that was 2019. But so he did it in 2019 and they haven't had one since then. But like,

they've had a rookie of the year since then. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. Like this is, this is why I'm not particularly exercised about it. And again, I am here to be the brave one and say it is good to get hits. but it just isn't, and multi-hits, that's like, you know. Even better, the more the merrier. What if, what it, would you, would you, I'm getting defensive about a thing I don't care about, would you agree that say a hitter who has a home run in his debut, but only the one, would have had a more successful debut than someone who say had two singles? Yes, yes, I would.

That is true. Just like without other information about the circumstance. as you would say that's true. So this is, again, this is why I'm just like, well. Yeah. And this was in that second method going by number of MLB debuts, regardless of whether they batted. So I guess you could say, yeah, there are so many pitchers these days. They don't bat anyway. That changes things. But however you slice it. Yeah, that's probably why the marriage number is what it is. I mean, that's at least part of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think however you slice this, it is a historically long streak, but also a fairly

insignificant one. You are right. And I was trying to come up with, why would this have happened? Does this mean anything? Like the mashed potatoes scene in close encounters, this means something. I don't think it does ultimately. But if I've tried and squinted, I could say that the Mariners have not had great rookie production over that spin on the whole. So just looking at Fancraft's leaderboards 2002 to present, and just checking the little rookie box in the batting leaderboard. The Mariners are 26th in batting war since 2002, so they have not had great rookies on the whole offensively. And generally, pitchers park, maybe not the most extreme, but there's that.

So there are factors. They have not always been among the best teams in baseball during that span, though not typically among the worst either. So, yeah, I think. that might have something to do with it, but all it takes is just one random day by someone whose name you have completely forgotten but had a multi-hit debut to break the streak. So yes, the significance is fairly limited. And yet, yeah, they're 19th in wins over that span, so they've been kind of a middle of the pack team, but not the best rookie offensive production. It does still stick in your mind, obviously, when you have a debut season like Eitro.

Maybe Eichro had so many hits. that year that he used up all the rookie hits. And that was they, the Mariners had a certain allotment. And then Echro had 242 hits in 2001 and led the majors and set a rookie record, didn't he? And so maybe that was why there's still sort of a karmic balance happening here where they just had such a great debut from Eitro that they didn't need another multi-hit debut for another quarter century. In addition to my bravery, I want to make sure everyone understands that I know that like, Mariners hitting death has not been great over in the last while. And so-

Not beating the allegations there here. Yeah, definitely not beating the allegations. And you're like, maybe, you know, he used it all up. And that makes him selfish because they could use some working production. Yeah, spread the wealth. But if you are including the potential for pitchers in the sample, right? Then- At least in the number of debuts version.

Right. But yes. So that was ultimately insignificant, but I do wonder whether any Mariners fans thought to themselves, huh, we haven't seen a rookie just come right out of the gate with a big exciting debut like that. Because despite any lack of predictive power, it is still really exciting when a highly touted rookie gets called up and immediately has a multi-hit game. That's why I've been repeating ad nauseum the debutante stats this year because it's so. unprecedented or unusual. And it's really exciting because a prospect calls up.

Not all these guys are highly rated prospects, obviously. But when one of them does debut and immediately makes good and shows off exactly what you've been waiting for, then that's great. So I think every team, every fan base should get to enjoy a multi-hit major league debut more than twice per 25 years or 26 seasons or whatever it is. Yeah. And also, more importantly, should be. get to at least win a pennant one time in the history of the franchise, which is probably sticking in Mariners fans cross more so than this. Yeah, I was going to say, like, of all the thoughts that Mariners fans have had, I don't know,

that the multi-hit debut one is like high on the list of complaints, which has as much to do with the length of the list as anything else. I didn't mean to like step on the fun of your staff list, to be clear. I just was not, I'm not going to lie, Ben. I'm not going to lie and say, my God. Don't fake the shock. The genuine fun fact has to conjure a wow, an organic, good faith, wow, a sincere wow. And if you're not feeling it, then don't pretend.

I would like it if the Mariners would be better at baseball. But, you know, on the list of things that are wrong in the world, I can't pretend that that's high up there either, can I? Well, we will have some more substantive stat blasting toward the end of the episode, and I'll try to conjure a wow from you and our audience and we'll talk about some other young prospects making their debuts and other banter. I will remind everyone before we go to our Patreon portion of the episode that we are doing a live stream, the first ever effectively wild regular season live stream this weekend, this Saturday, Phillies and Braves, square and off. Yes. Playoff race implications so you can tune in that afternoon into evening, Eastern time,

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