Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast - Effectively Wild Episode 560: Grant Brisbee Still Isn’t Sick of the World Series

Episode Date: October 21, 2014

Ben and Sam talk to McCovey Chronicles author Grant Brisbee about the World Series and the Giants’ recent run.

I used to walk like a giant on the land. I feel like a leaf floating in a stream. I want to walk like a giant. I want to walk like a giant, the land of Grant. We have a guest whose name is Grant. Hi, Grant. You're editing that out, right? Hi, guys. How are you doing? Pretty good, Grant. How are you? I'm doing very well, thank you. Grant Brisby, of course, writes about the Giants for McCovey Chronicles on the SB Nation sports blog network and also writes

for SBNation.com backslash MLB or slash MLB there needs to be a better way to say that that's what I say slash MLB I usually say SB Nation sometimes I write about lacrosse and stuff

you don't see on the main page or pooping SB Nation. Sometimes I write about lacrosse and stuff you don't see on the main page. Or pooping in Russia. Or pooping in Russia, yes. One of your micro beats. One of my beats, yes. Nobody else has that beat. If there's ever a need for another pooping in Russia story,

ain't nobody else going to do it. Lockdown. Grant, how are you? I'm doing very well, thank you. World Series starts tomorrow, and you've been talking to a bunch of people, I'm sure, about it, so we'll ask you some of those same questions. But I have a question for you first. It's not really about the World Series. Where doeshikawa's home run rank for you as far as or maybe not for you i would actually like the objective ranking rather than your own

personal one where does it rank for greatest giants moments or greatest giants uh hits or whatever um you know of your lifetime of my lifetime that's good okay so i can ignore new york because that's very far away doesn't count i've been there once it seems very dirty you can ignore the uh time that juan marichal hit a dodger with a bat ew okay okay i'll ignore that i'll ignore that um in my lifetime so growing up you know i i was one of the 600 000 people who is at both the Joe Morgan game and the Bob Brenly game. And it's like legitimately, like I asked my mom, like every year, it's like, was I really at both of those games? And she swears that I was. Um,

but those used, those are like the big home runs of my youth growing up. One was Bob Brenly hitting a home run after making four errors and winning the game. He will hit two home runs and that's a neat story but that team was terrible and the joe morgan home run was you know joe morgan hitting a home run to help knock the dodgers out of the playoffs which was a very interesting and fun home run but again it's like the saddest home run in the franchise like yeah we got you guys we still play the toilet bowl um so it's i'd say it's like the biggest home run but i'm gonna i'm gonna get run over by a hyperbole train i don't know i want to say it's the biggest it's the biggest i mean i i sawonds do the single season thing. I saw him do the career home run record.

The Edgar Renteria home run against Cliff Lee is definitely up there. There's so many, so many home runs. But there's the finality of it where a month ago I didn't give the Giants a chance of advancing past the wild card round other than you wink and say, ha-ha, baseball's funny, anything can happen. But seriously, I looked at that team, I'm like, these guys are a bunch of idiots, they're not going to make it out of the wildcard round. And then to go from that, it's just that the finality of that home run sends them to the pennant.

And that's why I think it's just one of the most special home runs that I'm ever going to see a Giants player hit in my lifetime. Plus it's the fact that it's Travis Ishikawa, who was a drifter. He was riding boxcars a year ago. A literal hobo. Ex-Giants prospect. That just adds to this great, hilarious, unlikely story. I'm going to go up there with Edgar Renteria, if not on top.

Yeah, I want to talk it down. I want to talk it down because they were totally going to win that series. You know, like there was almost no chance that they weren't going to win that series at that point in the game, in the series. And so it didn't turn around a defeat in a way that you would like your most iconic moment to do. You know, it's not Spezio in that way, kind of. celebrate it for five days in a row or four days in a row that you just never you look you never have to leave the field like you just run into a pile until you're all covered with pile fungus like like a like a wood pile uh seems like it seems like it makes it stronger uh and and yeah there's i there isn't another final there isn't any other final moment i mean the the final moments in giant's history like will uh uh in

2002 when kenny lofton had the game winning hit that seems pretty big because it was also final and that was also like oh it was game five they were totally going to win that series too and so just just knowing how big that looms in my head to then add the home run element to it and the Ishikawa element to it and everything like that. On the other hand, back then, 2002, people are, I'm sure, invigorated by this conversation between you and me about... Your favorite Giants moment. Back then in 2002, the stakes were insanely high. You were convinced that there was about, what, a 75% chance you would die

before you ever got to celebrate a Giants World Series. There was no guarantee it was ever going to happen. And at this point, you're rooting for the Royals at this point. So, like, how exciting can the home run hit in the lds that you were going to win anyway on your way to a third world series how big can that really be i i'd like to take a second exception with sam's contention that i'm rooting for the royals i'd like to state on the record that i'm not rooting for the royals i never have rooted for the royals i'm gonna root for the giants in this world series I get your point.

And to be honest, if you had asked me what are your biggest hits in Giants history, I don't know when I would have gotten to Lofton, which is weird because it's the same situation. Giants are up 3-1. They're at home. They don't want to go back to St. Louis, but they will if they have to. It's not the end of the world if they don't win this game. It's the exact same situation. Same will clark too yeah yeah but it's it's um i don't maybe maybe i'm just a sucker for dingers like i don't know it's just it just felt like you know it felt like i became a man that day you know what i mean felt like it opened up new worlds for me

that home run no i don't know it's it's. Ask me again in a year, maybe I'll talk myself down from it. But right now, I just can't get enough of it. I'm supposed to be jaded and bitter, and I'm watching it on my phone when I'm in my car at stoplights. I can't get enough of that home run. It's fantastic. So it did not affect your enjoyment that mike matheny tried to steal the spotlight with his stunt casting of michael waka

it was not oh but but he gave it to us he put in waka that i imagine did not cross your mind matheny that was that was matheny jumping the snark. I mean, yeah, it definitely maybe takes a style point away, but it doesn't take style points multiple away. So I'm okay with it. Take it out, Ben. What? You're a joke. Delete it. Nope.

So Grant, hey, what are the keys to this World Series? Like the keys to the game? Yeah. To all of the games. Each of the games. No, no, no. You can have a key. Wait. Give me a key for each game.

Yeah. Thank you. Okay. You're sandbagging me with these questions here. Yeah, a key to each game. Well, the first game is probably going to be a strong Madison Bumgarner game, wouldn't you think? That would be the key to that game? Mm-hmm.

Okay, moving on. Game two. I think a key to that game is going to be moving the runners over. Keys to the series. I am worried about James Shields just because he's struggled a little bit in this postseason. So I'm a little – it just has that feeling of like – like when Cliff Lee was so good heading into that 2010 World Series.

I kind of had this feeling like, well, he can't be perfect. Like maybe he's due for a little stumble and that's what happened. So I have like the reverse feeling where it's like James Shields is, you know, not he's like kind of lukewarm game James. And then all of a sudden, you know, I'm just expecting like, well, now he's back. He's got his form back. You know, here's big game James and he shut the Giants down. So that's like my big worry. That's my legitimate key to the game.

It does. Yeah, it does seem impossible for the Giants to win because half the Royals are hot and the other half are due. The hot side stays hot and the due side stays due like a McDLT, right? Can you edit that out? There's this weird thing with the Gi where um if you look at their advanced

you know if you look at all the advanced hitting stats it looks like the giants are like the 27 yankees they all have ops pluses of like 145 because they're hitting like 212 in at&t park and the park adjustments are just so heavy that they make it look like everybody's awesome. And so literally every hitter in this lineup has an OPS plus over 100, including Joe Panik and Travis Ishikawa and guys who nobody really thinks of as particularly good. And by true average, Panik just barely, barely misses it. And so that's all like kind of encouraging. And if it's your team, you convince yourself like this is a really good offense. They just play in a park that crushes them. And then you get to the pitching and you have Madison Bumgarner, who we all think is one

of the, you know, four or five best pitchers in the National League and has been, you know, incredible in postseason and is like a bona fide you know like an ace he is not kershaw but he is the next best thing from the left side of the national league and then you look at his era plus and it's like 106 or something like that and and it's always that way right like right so if you if you if you look at it like this if you if you accept the giants actually have a good offense then you accept that well then you have to accept that Matt Kane's like pretty good but not really that good and Madison Bumgarner I'm sorry his ERA plus this year was 117 which is just not very good it's it's okay um so what do you make of this how do you square it I generally cherry pick what I want to

see when I want to see it and like that sounds kind of like a quip, but it's like, like not like, I can't explain it. Like, because I, when I think of the Giants offense, I do, I scan right to that column in the baseball reference, the OPS plus, and you go there and you just, you take a quick look and it bucks yourself up because all those guys are a hundred and over. And even the guys who are hurt, will the guys fill in like Greg Gregor Blanco, over 100. I think he's at a 104.

But then I mentally give a little boost to the starting pitchers. I don't think of Madison Baumgartner as an above average pitcher. Especially since he struggled so much at home. I know that doesn't factor into the park effects or anything

like that, but I don't think of him as a pitcher who has been helped an unduly amount by AT&T Park. And so I just mentally, you know, get a little tick up with the ERA Plus, and I console myself with the fielding independent stats. And he just, like, smells like an ace. He walks like an ace, talks like an ace. So, yeah, I'm okay with him and then on the other side you've got guys like ryan vogelsang who you know you look at the era and it's like oh that's not a good era and then you look at the era plus it's like oh my goodness you know he's basically like jamie navarro's the end of his career um and that's hard for me to believe

too so i just take the evidence i like and then I ignore the evidence I don't like. That's kind of the secret to my writing. Yeah. But I also – I don't think the Giants are necessarily a team that's got eight – one through eight or with the DH, one through nine just like above average hitters. I think that's laying it on a little thick. I do think there is a little bit of an over-adjustment with the park effects that I'm not smart enough to understand. But just from an eyeballing perspective,

I think of a guy like Gregor Blanco as, you know, a good enough hitter to perhaps be in a lineup, but a slightly below average hitter. Same with Joe Panik, you know, once the balls stop falling in for him. Same for Brandon Crawford. I think there's a little over adjustment there. So I'm with you there. So do you feel like Madison Bumgarner is so good at this point, so good right now, pitching so well, is so good and is pitching so well that any game that he's in,

the Giants are at kind of a very large advantage. Is it that big a difference between him and the next best pitcher in this series? Or is it really not that big? And you're probably going to say it's not that big because you don't want to set yourself to be really disappointed in 24 hours. But don't do that. You cut to the core of me, Sam Miller. That's it. But I mean, I do think it's not that big of an advantage

just because unless you're talking, that's, that's it. But I mean, I, I do think it's not that big of advantage just because unless you're talking, um, you know, Pedro in his prime versus the next best guy or, uh, Kershaw this year, you know, versus the next best guy, you're not going to get that 70, 30 advantage. You know, this team's going to win 70% of the time, even against like the second best pitcher in the league. Cause this guy's that good. Like the difference between Bumgarner and gardener and shields is you know i know which one i would take to start a game but i'm not exactly putting money on it you know what i mean like this would be a great way to pay my mortgage next month and i'm not i don't have quite the confidence to do that so how have the giants avoided being the bad guys it's's really an impressive accomplishment, because you'd think that any team that was playing the Royals right now would be the bad guys, let alone a team that has won two World Series in the last four years. And yet, I think most people are rooting for the Royals, most impartial people. But I don't get the sense that there's much animosity towards the Giants. They are kind of a well-liked team generally. I don't know that we're excited to see them, but we're not sick of them. How have they done that? I don't know. See, I'm picking up, you know, my antenna are picking up different vibes.

I'm picking up pretty substantial Giants fatigue and sickness and malaise and, you know, whatever. and sickness and malaise and you know whatever like i maybe i'm just you know i'm channeling that overly sensitive internet giants fan which is a breed a breed of internet fan that is a very very loud and vocal um but i you know i see people kind of getting annoyed at the giants and i don't blame them i mean if i if there were a team doing this in 1999, like the Yankees, I mean, when they were winning every world series, 98, 99, 2000, it just bugged the crap out of me. And the Yankees are the Yankees and that's different. I mean, you know, they have musicals written about that feeling of the Yankees winning everything. I mean, that's a whole different chapter of baseball history,

but I could see the Giants being very annoying to people right now. And I don't blame them because it is kind of nonsense. Well, not just that they've been there so much. It's really that they're not that good. And there's something sort of, I feel like I'm picking up a feeling of dread that this team is about to become a dynasty without ever having been like one of the

three to five best teams in baseball and having a you know a sub 500 finish mixed in there and it there's just like it you can almost sort of get the feeling that like if they hadn't won the last two and they were just it was just them again like we wouldn't be as sick of seeing them it's more that like this third one means something you know like when you win three world series like people talk about you 50 years later and is this the team that people want to have to explain to their grandkids oh yeah i saw i saw i saw those uh you know andres torres, Gregor Blanco years. Let me tell you about them. There was a lot of Andres Torres and Gregor Blanco.

Yeah, that is – it's hard to explain because it really is just a different batch of goofballs every year. I mean, it's Cody Ross and Andres. I mean, Andres Torres, that year, I mean, by advanced statistics, it was such an amazing year. He was Lorenzo Cain. Yeah, you know, that's a great point. He was just all over the place in the field, just one of the best center fields I've ever seen him play or ever seen anyone play in AT&T Park or even in Candlestick. And then, you know, he falls off.

And then, you know, Cody Ross goes back to what he was doing and won Uribe. He's turned his career around again pretty nicely. It's a different batch of goofballs. This year, you've got the core. You've got Posey. You've got at least one pitcher. You've got Bumgarner. It's hard to explain.

In 50 years, when you're trying to explain it, you're going to be stumbling just as much as I am right now trying to explain it. Because I'm trying to think of something pithy that makes everyone laugh and makes a lot of sense. And I'm just talking over myself to hear myself think because I can't really explain what the Giants are doing. Kind of waiting for one of you to jump in.

But that's the story of giants they're just nonsense i mean the the royals are the team that have gotten credit for being on an improbable run and having everything go their way and yet if we weren't saying that about the royals if if the giants were playing some other team it would very much be the giants who people were saying that about I would think I mean they've kind of won easily but in a not very convincing way at times this postseason and entire season is that accurate yeah the first I mean you know April and May that team looked good I mean they they were like on 105 win pace at one point and they they obviously didn't look that good but they looked like they could threaten 100 wins because you were starting to mentally tally it up and say, OK, well, Michael Morse – this is the Michael Morse now. He's a 30-home run guy.

So just add Michael Morse's 30 home runs to this team. We're just totally going to expect it because that's realistic. Oh, and Tim Hudson. Tim Hudson is really good now. He is not just a fourth-fifth starter like they're hoping for. He's basically a number two, and he's going to throw 200 in. So add that. So you start to mentally tally all these things for the Giants

and what's going to go right for them. So for two months, they looked really good. They were going to be a World Series contender in a very normal way. Then they looked so bad. They looked so bad. They would just go against the Padres. And it's like, who's pitching? It's like, Despain.

It's like, oh, they can't beat Despain. Oh, no. They can't beat him. I mean, they looked like a team where it's like, who's going today? It's Brandon Backey. No, not Brandon Backey. They can't beat him. And Baumgartner's low.

And so, like, I have those feelings, feelings, those very gut feelings about this team, still bubbling up near the surface that's hard to get rid of because they got swept by the Padres a week before the end of the season, just a total dejecting loss, series loss to the Padres. It was awful. Then all of a sudden you fast forward two weeks, and they're winning 18 inning games. They're getting Aaron Bennett to throw 55-foot curveballs into the dirt that skip over heads. And it hasn't been the prettiest. And then the very last game, when I was complaining about the whole NLCS, them not hitting a home run and

how they were going to need a home run. Then all of a sudden the home runs start flying and they look like a normal team again. So yeah, if not for the Royals, I think the conversation would be all about the Giants' luck. But they're a pretty good team too. They're not that bad, right? Sure, especially when you look at their stats and you adjust them all upwards as we've established that you do. stats and you adjust them all upwards as we've established that you do uh so um as i understand it the the the routine goes brian sabian wins a world series he gets a free pass for a year

and then he fails to win a world series and everybody remembers how much they hate him and everything he stands for so did you have a move this winter going into the season any point in the season that you point in the season, that you just hated and thought, there goes Sabian again, better fire that guy? I wasn't crazy about the Morse move, just because the defense scared me. And the defense has been as bad as advertised. And I figured, what if he really can't hit anymore? What if that wrist is going to bother him? Or what if he's a lot closer to the player he was for the Mariners than he was with the nationals? And I didn't like that move one bit, especially when he had Gregor Blanco, whose defenses is very good in left field,

capable enough of the bat. And I guess at the end of the year, they, they were pretty equal in value. But I wasn't crazy about the Morse move and I'm, I was happy to be proved wrong, at least in some small part, because he's fun to watch. He's just a goofy guy, and you can't help but like him. He's like a big Muppet out there. I don't know the Muppet's name, but there's like a big Muppet. Bill Hanstock would know. Anyways, he just reminds me of a big, goofy Muppet, and I love him.

But that was the one move that bothered me a little bit this offseason. And this has kind of turned into Bruce Bochy appreciation month, I think. And maybe it has been for a while, but I've noticed it more and more. People are comparing him to Hall of Fame managers, and based on some of the raw stats that they use to compare them, the comparisons are pretty favorable. So do you get the sense when you were watching Bruce Bochy that you are watching managerial greatness?

Is it that he's doing brilliant things or that he's doing fewer stupid things? What is the takeaway from watching Bruce Bochy all these years? Well, I think the discussion has changed, and I don't know when it happened because i i'd like to think i i keep my ear to the ground on this one but it it went from does bruce bocce have a chance at the hall of fame to now we're going to talk with bruce bocce future hall of fame manager and you know it's like it just moved like he's he's already in

like he he got he got pushed in i don't know if it was this playoff run if it was advancing to the nlcs just just the fact that it was there again i don't know if it was this playoff run, if it was advancing to the NLCS, just the fact that it was there again. I don't know when it switched, but all of a sudden he is like future Hall of Famer Bruce Bochy. It's weird. What I'll say to him, do I recognize managerial greatness? I don't watch every team for 162 games, but the giants, that's like my only reference. I watch a lot of A's games, uh, but we're still talking, you know, 15, 20 a year. Like I, I don't really know all of Bob Melvin's quirks and peccadillos and whatever makes him

tick nearly as much as I knew Bruce Bochy. So when I'm comparing Bruce Bochy to two managers, I'm comparing him to Felipe Alou and Dusty Baker. And compared to those two, I think he's a legitimate genius. I just – I did not like Alou one bit in a lot of capacities. I don't think he could handle a pitching staff. And Baker was a real bun him over. I wasn't – because you're gonna hate every manager strategies every manager is gonna bug you but some bug you more than most and dusty was always just i mean he started sean

dunstan at dh in a world series game and his ops was like 500 all season he was 53 years old and it's not like a 28 year old seanold Sean Dunstan was a great hitter. This was like a decrepit bag of ex-Sean Dunstan starting at DH. Didn't he start Tsuyoshi Shinjo at DH too? When Shinjo's entire thing was – it would be like starting Juan Perez at DH in this World Series. Crazy, crazy. Yeah, Kenny Lofton. Kenny Lofton was okay, a little sketchy in center field.

And Shosei Chinjo was just like, he was amazing. He covered 60% of the field, it seemed like. And Dusty's rationale was, yeah, you know, Lofton's used to being out there. And, you know, I want to keep him hot. And it was just kind of mumbo jumbo that just drove me nuts. And in the end, that's not the reason kind of mumbo jumbo that just drove me nuts and in the end that's not the reason they lost the 2002 world series but stuff like that i bocce will irritate me with his moves on a micro level but i think on the macro level like i think his players would you

know walk walk over hot coals for him and i think he he has a touch a deft touch when it comes to tricky situations like Tim Lincecum swapping Sergio Romo out with Casilla. And while we're kind of grumbling in the background about Aubrey Huff playing over Brandon Belt, you know, and that's like the biggest problem facing, you know, the Western world when Aubrey Huff is getting at bats over Brandon Belt. I think it's fair to wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes that he's managing with maybe a little bit more tact than we're seeing outside. So I think when you add up his strengths as, I'll coin the term, a player's manager. When you add up his strengths as a player's manager, and then he's not doing the crazy strategic things like, you know, he doesn't like the bunt. He's not a bunt hound. He's not stealing when he shouldn't be stealing. I think he's a very good manager. I think he is one of the better managers I'll ever get to watch, even when he's driving

me nuts doing it like every manager would. So, I remember back in 2009, before we knew that we liked Bruce Bochy as a manager, when he was still just the guy, the sort of bland guy from San Diego who had never really won anything there, I don't think it was a joke. I'm going to use the term joke because it was humorous, but I don't think it was intended as a joke. The joke was about him liking to double switch so much that he had actually done it in an AL park, which doesn't make any sense because the pitcher doesn't hit.

And that was sort of part of the known universe of facts about Bochy. It wasn't considered hyperbole or anything like that. It was, as I recall, considered a real thing he had done. And then I went looking for it, and I couldn't find it in 45 minutes of looking or whatever. Was that real? I know what you're talking about. It rings a bell. And I don't think it was like a legit double switch necessarily in an ale park.

It was some kind of quirk that could have been perceived in a joking way like that. It rings a bell, but I don't know. It could be a it rings a bell but i don't know it could be a fever dream like i i don't know i with bocce what i remember like the big funny bocce story that wasn't funny at the time was his refusal to stop playing vinny castilla and kevin towers saying hey have you ever thought about not playing vinny castillo? And this is like bad Vinny Castillo. And so Bochy says, well, you don't want me to play Vinny Castillo. Why don't you take him off the roster? And so that's what happened.

And so they got Vinny Castillo off the roster, and no one ever looked for his phone number again because he was clearly the worst baseball player on the planet. And that was part of the start of the rift that led to bocce coming to the giants like the padres were just you know done with that idea and then when he came to the giants the giants started the giants weren't a good team and they needed someone to sort of vinnie castillo they need someone to mix and match and find out what talent they really had. They needed to see if Fred Lewis was going to be an okay player or John Bowker or Dan Ortmeier. They needed a manager with patience.

And Bochy never seemed to have that with the younger players. And it came to a head when Buster Posey was ready. The 2009 Giants were just a miserable offensive team, just miserable. But they could pitch. 2009 Giants were just a miserable offensive team, just miserable. But they could pitch. And so they're this interesting mix of hitting and not hitting and pitching that needed just like some spark. And they had Benji Molita hitting cleanup. And his OPS is, I think, sub-700.

Just the worst idea of a cleanup hitter. And they have this guy in the minors. He's just tearing it up. He's just this offensive underkins in the minors. And, and he gets called up September 1st, September 2nd, early September. And then for the rest of that month, he got nine at bats, 10 at bats before the giants were out of it. I mean, just sprinkled throughout, you know, a pinch hit appearance there. It was like Bochy was, it was clinically insane. And so that's like leading up into 2010, I was just sure that Bochy was never going to lead the Giants anywhere,

that he was just something of a dunderhead and that he was never going to be the right person to shepherd the Giants to where they needed to be. But, you know, I'm better now. I fixed. Michael Morse Muppet is Sweetums by the way thank you I hate Ben this will be the last

episode of Effectively Wild so my colleague Jonah Carey in our World Series preview today called Yuzmira Petit an X-Factor. Not the X-Factor, but an X-Factor. What role do you envision Petit playing in this series? I think, and I'm going to repeat a lot of the points that I talked to with Jonah today because he got to me first. So if you are a grand completionist

and you listen to both podcasts, I do apologize. I think Bochy really likes him as the idea of a pitcher in a glass case to break the glass whenever something goes wrong to have Petit come in and just know that you're going to get four or five good innings from him

when your hour is at its darkest. And I don't think he's going to start game four. I don't, you know, Jonah was trying to sell me on the idea of Petit in like a seventh or eighth inning role. You know, can I mix and match and put them in high leverage situations, which I'm not necessarily opposed to. I just don't think it's going to happen. I think what you saw in the division series and the championship series is what you're

going to get going forward. Petit's there. If you need that emergency extra four or five innings when you're started, it just clearly doesn't have his stuff. I would like him to start game four. That would be my pick. But I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen. What else did Jonah ask you, Ben? Ben Grant.

He asked me about giant stuff, World Series. And what ask you, Ben? Uh, Ben, Grant. Uh, he asked me about, uh, you know, giant stuff, World Series. And what'd you tell him? Uh, you know, interesting stuff. Kind of, kind of spent my interesting bullets on that one. All right. So that was, uh, Grant Brisby. You can find him on Twitter at, uh, at McCoveyCron, uh, or, uh, on the internet at McCovey Chronicles dot com or the other one that I tried to say earlier please

support our sponsor the play index at baseball reference subscribe to baseball reference use the promo code BP for a special offer $30 for an entire year of the best tool for baseball information gathering we'll be back tomorrow and maybe we'll talk about emails but we probably won't. Only stipulations that I don't really want to talk about

the World Series because I'm kind of World Series out. Okay.