El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 017: Basta de Tracción a Sangre con Leonardo Anselmi

Episode Date: August 25, 2013

Leonardo Anselmi, el activista y promotor que fue clave en la abolición de las corridas de toros en Cataluña (Barcelona), viene ahora a México y América Latina con una iniciativa que beneficia a los animales, seres humanos, gobierno e iniciativa privada.

In the episode number 17 of Regil Radio, Leonardo Anselmi, one of the great activists at the level world, for the rights of the animals, we'll talk about to basta, bastaxion to blood, a signer,

a initiative that promue in America Latina, in where not only those animals, but the beings, the government, and the initiative private, gannan.

Kled to us in Regil Radio. Welcome to Regil Radio, the podcast of Marko Antonio Regil. Welcome to PostCat Semalan, Amos, I'm Mark, Antonio Regil, saludanados,

from Los Angeles, California. And this time, a friend very special to the name is Leonardo Anselmi, and is promoter, or was promoter, of the campaign of the evolution of the Tos,

of the corridas of Toros in Catalonia, or in Barcelona. And a grand activist that he has around to all the world, promoting the rights of the animals,

actions concrete, to which the people is being with great advances in Argentina, in Uruguay, in Colombia, and now is it in Mexico, also of Hira, promoting a new campaign, and we're going to talk with the good Leonardo Anselmi. Welcome to the program, Leonardo. Norado, how are you?

Very well, Marco, and what a great surprise. There's a surprise that you name. Well, you know, here is. Here we're just a couple of years that we don't know we've seen, because all the time, always, I'm going to go back. And I'm going to recorro much the world, also I'm going to bea we've coincided

but always happy to do you all the things for the animals and how you're

doing conciences and also how you do you do do you do you you're a

great example to see it a good much much but we not we've coincided in territory

but we have coincid in the that's very good so that has that has that's

that's that's that's that's so you want to you're you're

you're doing something something that's called TAS or Basta of TAS. Quintam what is this of Basta of Tas? Effectively, I mean, I've in Monterey, in the last few days, now in the

City of Mexico. Tomorrow, I'm going to do a few municipalities of the state of Veracruz. Lamentallyment, no I can recorrel to go to the country very extensive and very diverse and marvelous, and the is that I've given the time to recorrel to all, but for the most I'm taking some of the

mues, I'm taking some of the time. The TAS is the attraction to the same. what we we knowce as we're so we're going to start

to work with this theme in Mexico the first reception has been fantastic So the carretoneros

the people that use burrittos or these poorest animals that we're fulls,

allacos cansados chalando any any any different of

vehicle a a little a sometimes it's something for

that that that's that's that's the attraction to a

is a is a is a a is a a a vehicle. And this campaign?

And this campaign, what is what is what we're going to try to do this animals, but also for these people. A me,

personally, is a campaign that I'm a satisfaction in all the senses because we're going to work against the exclusion

social. We don't, we'll forget that the attraction to the fruit. Let's see the consequence of

an exclusion social, of an informality laboral. We're going to work too to work to be a

blood, better said, the recollection selective of recidivos, in the second cause of child in Latin America. And we're

to work, for the animals that all final, because they're not for the people who are up and

they're using, but for our societies, our societies, not have able to integrate to those persons,

not have had been strategies of recalive efficient, and for this activity is that exist.

So, well, it's a program very very technical, basically what we we're

basically what we we're to assessor to the administrations, to be able to give the pass to include these

people in the circuit social. And, well, a part of that moment, it's when the government,

the different legislative and do you can't to try it, we'll try to make a pre-a-pilote and the fact that's the

people have done really that are much they're very very much their government, not only only the carretoneros

and the people, but in the society in their society in their whole, it's a way,

but very interesting. I impact that you're saying, that's the second activity of the children who are

in this, with the basura and the animals. And effectively, the second cause of the child

in Latin America is the recollection selective of recives. As practically the Latin American,

the countries Latin American, the countries of recitales, like if has taken to the United,

or has given us and Europe, and as, the, and as the vaccines European,

not always function in our The criteria of Latin America, he was to find other forms of to work.

And, well, the problem not is the work in-s the problem is the problem is the form in how they do. On one side,

it's a manner informal, by the other other side, it's not going to do you do and then, but recurrying to

their own their own their own in these jobs. So, so, so,

so, so, so, are men, so are men, so are you, so are people, in conditions

very lamentable and obviously those animals also receiving a trot with a lot very much those animals

those animals are being amarrows there to the vehicle that's that's a thing normal

you've been that's been so much a day a day a normal of a time a

adult or a child and an animal that's in this of transports to transports

to back to another I'm much more that question because

the fact is that we're these We're saying in in that there are 500

or in that's in a place there's in a reality every one of

them is a reality that that sometimes who we've not even

we're we're uncapaces to imagine it's an abanico of realities

evident not it is a only type of activity that is that

is that ranca very very very time they're they're

in they're to to get to get the basically

the divide in this, they're to go to some the group, divide in

this this material, there's a part that they're they're and they're and they're

and there they're exactly the defecam. The reality of the carretanero basically

I'll tell you an anecdote that took a lot of many years in Argentina

when I dedicated to a cause of a character 100% social I'm

now I think I I'm trying in the two I don't that we

don't we're the reality of the people, more than the whole contrary. Sure, is all connected. Absolutely, all connected. The path is a sole

independently of the species, and, well, in that time, still not have been the animals, we're going to say, only to the humans. And I remember,

we're talking in a very poor of Argentina, and we're going to a car lot of, a pretty poor that's made with chappas and

in that moment was with some some people, we'd have done actions in these barrios, and we're We found a man that was recosted practically some

cartons in the soil, and we told about, well, that there had a time that had a lot of his wife, that he had not, no, no, no, coulda continue moving to his brazos, and resisted in the mulettes, and, the place where I lived, the sillas of rubeas are very efficient,

for, you know, the orography of the the place, no? And this, sir, and he was practically pudriending in the soil, he had scaras, all of a lot, uh, he, and they'd like,

the other than, and this is he was told, that he had been just that was cartonero, had been been a carriottial,

he had been a man, he had been a political, and as he was had been to the security

social, not had job, and then practically not there was nobody for our

society. So when one, when one of the job informal, is that

receiving to this, one is not to be a person that's not

not that's not not really to be a person that is

nobody for not somebody so the reality of the

formal is very dure in that second. Then there's another thing that has to be with the day to be a day

of a carretanero that is the exclusion social. If you see you get a claxon,

it's he's inci and they they're because they're more the transit

or they also they also they're with all other that's

the reality of the day of other other than the reality of day is that

the barrio where they're they are these are

many many many many not for a reason to to make them to work, although they're they're doing

to work for sure, they're more rather than more money in the job, but they're with them for justly

not to justly in those barries and then that's other reality also. And the reality of

a caro is a reality very dear friend you, imagineate that today for today for today,

more or almost a cargues a hundred a hundred to the size of the money that's a

kind of in that case. But these Cavios are 8 to 10 times more of the person that really

are really are that really is an over-exploitation 8 to 10 to 10 times more of the that normally could be cargare

without can't get that yeah effectively it's like if you could get to without a

mochila and I see 5 kilos and you if you're getting during 10 or 12 hours

to day a mochina 50 kilos all the really from the madrugada until that

the sun. They're in and they're in. And see, we've been, these images very very

very different. And they're a lot of people who are people, they're very very old, you see,

they're that's been very kids, and so, the little bit on the way,

and they're in the origita where, where there there, where there there's, where in the

or in the area of the street and it's a image super trister.

It's an image super Tristan for all, for the child, for the human,

for the animal, obviously, that is the life of the animal, not is the carrito all the time. No,

has time of being free to pass-tard, to, to walk, and that's a sub- thing, that's a slavit

to. So, so, so, they know, they're not, the truth is that,

the truth of, the truth, and different to other campaigns or revindications that we have, the movement

of the animals, where practically the, no, I don't know, with the term of the tors, has converted to that's a game, but in this,

in this time, in the time of attraction to the same, I think it's a problem in the way that has a solution. Because no, no,

no, there's, there are victims. Yes, and we're not, our society. You know, what's the idea? I think that's that we're

because from, from the children because, in all Latin America, we've been the caro around, with the man who has

to revolve our the the water to be able to get us to the pieces, with the little, and the then it's nother, and we did, at the end up here we did not do that, but it's that we think we've got to we'll get a little bit of a mess. that we've been and that we've been

so it's it's used the real grosser's, we're not the we're used to get it as we're

to get us and we're many people people who limosde in the car and we're we're doing

we've been all the days but it's the ideal, not normal and not just so

so we put it also we put also also the action to the campaign even the

even the the company even the things as we're we're we're we're

the question, but that's a great, very ample and, especially for the people, especially for the fact, in Bogotas,

we're doing the construction of a car for those who are to those people, that are the people who collects a hand,

look, I'm, I'm explain, because it's a little longer, it, for a lot of a, I don't see, 100,

we're going to put an example, where be accumulations important of the residue that you can get to

interest. Those that These have those carromatos these are going and they're doing

and they're to get to the last the last paper lipe that's so so

then obviously to you not they would you we're what we we're

a sort of a motorcarro where previously probably you know to

learn to in some in some some in some some in the

case in the case that we're in the we're a carro that's

a car that has is ahorra the 90% of the effort that they're doing they're

doing this they're in a certain age, in many cases, women who are working on the madugia,

recogient these residues, and well, if there's no animal no human, including here, there is an

animal human who is suffering much, so that also, also, also, it's the

concept of the campaign. So, the solutions, the solutions that you propose, there are

so, are cars, and it's this motor that that he helps to the person

to hauler the vehicle? I'm, I'm confused a little bit. Because the... So, let's... Let's see.

The solution. We're going to... There's like, there's like two alternatives, let's go to have to be with cabojo

that have to get to go back a distance, the what we're we're proponem in some motocarros, there's a lot of a decade

that's been appeared in our society that cargans that have a lotkees, even a bolket,

and that are quite fastosier that don't very rapid but that is a lot of the carros

are those are the those are used those are given to adoptions, that we're going to

give too a lot of the cabalitos in adoption and this because that's going to be a thing

very important. So is to send to the caros and to get to live and

to be and to be able to be able to but exactly a job a

a job and what is and what is are the benefits, the person that has the caro, and the

car, how will be a car, how how does this operation, this change? Well, we're what we're

doing, basically, is that's to be a cargo the administration. What the is that also we're going

to have to resentive the artas public. So, the proposal is the two, the

motorcarros to the costado, the part of the part of the kind of a

kind of a species of a bitacul, and in that space is where I would to parer the basura.

Evidently, what is the residue, what is the residue, it has been to be taped.

So, we're that the panels of the side of the car that

could do you support publicity. And as support publicity, not we

don't talk any of publicity private, but the private administration,

the presuppost publicitarious that the year to make his work,

his programs, his actions, could have a little

percentage, a little small, a little percentage of that's a new publicitarian annual, can be supported

in the panels lateral of the motorcarros, and of that manner, without assigner a new

a present, an present, the program, and go to the program, and go to the costarons, for the

costerian, the program as if costs a money, because the 80% of the cost of

the program are the own the own carrors, and the carerers not tend to pay

simply the form of paying us is giving us a cabo that we're in a circuit of adoption. Oh,

what maravita because it's a win, ganar, ganar, gan a, the government because it's

much more more secure and more efficient, because, apart, they can make more

than a cario, obviously, they can make more the city than a cario,

not, how many, how many how many you're going to do you do you have to do

obviously, we've we've calculated that promere a four times more.

Wow. 400% of the people will get more the person that's making this recollection of the basura

Gana more money is more efficient the government Gasta just a little more because is using your presuppost

of publicity so is it auto-patrocinando and the animal Gana because obviously we're we're getting

the and it's good for the people because we don't we want animals in the

people and defecando and orinand all this we we're It's a solution very very emperousal, my

careido, Leo. Yes, you know, you know, you know, I'm in the world

business. What I'm doing basically is to apply that logic and that thought about in the activism,

no? In definitive, but, yeah, we're also we're coming to the companies,

and also in Mexico we've encountered a good want to that, for that

they're economically with all what is the contention of the infancy around

the attraction to the country. We're we're we're we're really thought for the

children of the carretoneros for that can let them while they're they're working. And we're in those spaces basically what I

call construed to a citizen. Construed them a student from the art, from the knowledge of the science,

from the education, from the good alimentation. I think that really what he

is to is to start this element of renovation generational that's that's

going to the exclusion social, and I think that we we can do we strategy. So, well, it's also

also a mustra of that a change much more grand, also is possible. I think that overpies what is the people, over the same are we, are the families of those that we're going to to work, I think, is really to think we can change this society, so that Latin America can reinventarse,

if we can sublevards us, and to the poverty, that we don't have to accept that we always have a 10% of our society that no comes, that no, that's that doesn't have access to the sanity. So I think we're We're going to We're going to

More than the problem I'm I'm going to when we're When we're When we're We need to

Any time We're One option is Operate as operas As a mentality poverty and

Like Like the Culp is the government That someone It's Why someone does something?

Why the media's Do you do something? Why the government not do Why the government Does it? The other is

an activist proactive, an activist of a mentality rich and abundant where it's I'm going to I'm going to

I'm going to you're going to you're making your side your vision and you're giving a opportunity to make sure

to make sure to the government to the companies or the man is that the car with the

car with a car with a guarderia the the being the person human that is in a

a motor in the place to being up the above the car the

producing four more and in the better conditions of life,

the more can't work more more than a more than to be a more

money, the more than they're more more clean more sano for the for the

society. And, and also we're not some things, not are machines,

are they're not are not created for that so. So,

you're doing, this is evolution, Leo, I'm so I'm so how is

articulated this plan because there's there can't for all

there It's I'm Yeah, yeah definitive I think is a

project that no, I've never been not quite we're not quite we're going to

the contrary and that's everybody that's we're doing as well as you like you

say as a day day of a person of an animal I have there's

there's some some are very very things the first

I'm fantastic of my favorite in the life and is that I

I was I was reunied with the first worker, the first reclator urban, that interchamble cabo for motor in Argentina. And no I remember, no more of the name of that sir, because I most of the name of the person. He called Anthony Gotto.

Yes. It was a man, apart, very graciosholy, and much chistoso the form in the way that I was all, and the truth is that when I, when I asked, I said, I need to interview, I need to

ask me, I need to ask me, How you went, what you thought? You liked? What you thought? Well, at the beginning I thought, well, at the beginning, I thought. Well, at the beginning me were like always, and then. And then, then, I said, me did

that no, that was certain, that you was a lot there, that was shown me to manage, and then he said, the grand change that I lived with this, was that the same people that, years before, I mean, me insults, for the case. Because me associated with a maltreator

of animals, because perjudicabotable the transit, because the city was a fea because the caboos, like the vehicle, like you know, and the same

a woman that's the same that they're talking about for the phone for the and the time I said, I'm

from the moment I was still one of them and I'm said, but how, of them? Who are

those? And who are not, I'm saying, when you was to be to be a cario,

me said, in reality that's a excruid, me says, they're, they're just they're

they're just, they're just, I'm, this, I'm in the other so, obviously,

when one reflections when there's a person who can say, well, degen those don't think,

well, there's things there's things pears, there's, there's other people, they're

and they're that's the people, that's the people, above of these carromatos these,

are still more excluded, so it's so it's still even more exclusion for the fact of

having a different that the time. Because maybe in any other city Mexican

ago, I'm more prepared to walk to travel than in an automobile I imagine. But evidently the cities have

changed much. And they've not been had been adjornarse. As we we don't we have the

same years, we're we're not we're quite different. They're still with, um,

with some, with the people, don't know to call the animals to the animals,

but for them are, they're they're instruments of other years. and this is an anecdote that I think

that we muster really the profoundity of the problem of the exclusion. And I think it's very good to have it in mind. And, and, also, this plan you have,

you've had been a reception, you're in Mexico now promoting, but, but yeah has been good reception, is articulandos

in some in some countries of America Latina. No is so? Yes, effectively, and, actually,

look, there's the right, there's the tip for what what's what's the city

more advanced in this matter, there was much determination for part of his alcalde Gustav Petro

the fact was admirable the determination the voluntat political that took in this matter and he was

a substitution with a problem a lot of a lot of the cities Mexicanas

here, a problem of much more more of a population of carretoneros

and we're we're about 1,300 300 cabos substituted

1,300 families that have integrated in the circuit industrial, it's incredible. It's really marvellousous. It's really

about a few months. It was an tweet. Just the alcal of Gustavo Petro, saying,

we're just substituting the cabo number mil, our time, we're just we're really really really

is very very emosionate. But it was very very emosionate, Mark, the first day.

You know, you know, it was a carabana, we're we're, we're we're in

These people, we went with the police, with the animalists, and I was trying to do a caravan, going to see the university, because in the university where we did,

let us do, the first treatment of these animals, they were in conditions and then we're going to, and in the last the last few hundred

meters, before entering at the university, they were waiting a group of people, practically co-convocated,

that were to put on to those carretoneros because they were going to be a marathon, a thing spectacular. The cabos were in the cost of the cost of the coastado that put,

oh, my jubilo. It was very good. Even, even, even, um, these have you put to the cabos, also, um, these, uh, some colloers of these, these are hosuanian, with flowers. Yeah. They had they had prepared mountains of fruit and of verduras.

And, you know, you know, no, they didn't know anything. When they were absolutely all, and they got them, they got them the car. They were, they got them, they started to them to eat, and to eaters and fruit, to comport as a little bit of, as a little bit of

for first a few times in many years or maybe in all his life, no? Maybe what most probable in all their life. And the carretaneros also, abrassing with the

people, and they knew, and the people solicitandolus for the pass that they had had done, the alcalde,

you also, a discurs very emotive, very emosionate. And so it's, this year, and we're,

we're going for the year, we're going for the cabooooooooo, really. Really, when there

really, when there, this is it's what it's what it's what it can't what you're in

it's a it's a little like when we're having when we're about we're rehabilitation when you're

the child you're doing you do you're directly but mom and papa and the family they're

because when the when the child when the family entire the

the form of the family entire can't then here is

the this you're directly liberating a animal to a a

animal to a person but you're changing the dynamic of the family entire, of the child,

of the father, of all those who are the people who are that you know, you know, you know, that's what we're

that many people that did this change, another, to give the motorcarg and the we'd have also

a uniform, we'd have to be a health in the security social, let's say, the program, involved,

a certain that's a assistant social that's a time in a city in Colombia,

they said, they said, even, after after to have done to have taken to their houses. So,

really, this, this, this, the, this, the, this,

the, the, this, the, really, really, is a feeling

and absolutely potent. So, is a force, I think indescriptible, the

fact of the possibility of the pos on the, the posse, in the

person, the, there me You're just , you're just remember what I said, when the

infirmes that had, maybe the medicines that yeah, but that's a plate of aros, or that, or

to, or to be, or that were, they were, they were, even, even, even, even, even were to

them, they're, saying, to, I'm, saying, that I'm, what you're saying,

is the this, this man, or this family, that, that, that,

that, the, that's, that's, with the clachons and with the, with the

rechazo of the society and living like a sombre of what's in the cities. There's not. There's no, they're

not quite. And all the contrary, here receive the attention of the initiative private, of the activists, of the amants

of the animals, the repent, they're feeling like, they're going to, imagineate, the heart of a person of

a first time in his life, as like the first time they're not, they're they're not the person

on the same, and can't be a first first time in your life is being a important,

For society, for the society. Imagineate the heart of that human. What be be it. It's been impressive. I think we've never no, we've got to hear a thing like that.

But for this people, it's been incredible. You know, you know, I've got to be with a man who also, and I

would ask you to give us a little to give us a because she's in a municipality that we're not not know if they're not

not be very to be the time, the contrary. It's a municipality that you know more than

perceido than that's, that's, of course, we're not we're not we're in accord, for example, with the prohibition direct to the attraction to a sang, even to some organizations animalistic, so they're

in principle, for two reasons. First, because we think there's some people that have some people who are going to stay eating. I'm not in contra transportation animal, but I'm not too, I'm trying to be in front of human. So, evidently, we need to be able to look at a solution. But in second, again, if we're not going to beck, we'll prohibit them directly, then we'd have to beissed those caballos,

that we'd intercompioninged for the motors and recuperars and, jubilars. So, we're not we're in quite a court of this.

But there many governments that's not a person who's that there a senior

that I've wanted to help her personally yeah, you know, more than the party

institutional because came to a little in Monterey and we and we're all over

when she's about her because I'm about her about your company to do you have to

the last year that he she said, I don't the way of the way that he's some of the efforts very great,

he's a old old, yeah, yeah, no, you know more of the thing, he's,

he's, for me, the day more feeling, my day, would be, it would be, that he

could be able to do you do that you could have, so, then the backhista, that's,

if we're going, to do you do it's the government, we're going to really, I think this senior,

this, we're, we're, we're, we're doing, the charla, the Monterra.

They moved the heart you the world. The truth is we don't we're in

not we're really wonderful. For that's what you say you're all the cases individual. Each one of each is a

family, is a world, is a being a being a being a certain the

and obviously a family that has to keep eating to and even that has what needs to

this sir? And what is what is what they're doing what we can do

we're going to let's we're going to organize a campaign of crowdfunding for that many people us help, maybe putting a pair of dollars each one, we'll get to buy the motocardro, and we're going to

occupy to give them all the formation necessary, and also his caballo, that's my name, that's called, oh, I don't remember the name that he said, the caboio, his cabo, is probably one of the icons of this campaign, because we're going to have a sanctuary

that's there, the sanctuary Libre is at Sim. That Caboio will go to go to and we're going to get

us to get us to be we're going to and then it that's a pretty much. So, so it's

a campaign very beautiful. We're going to give a situation, to explain the story and all and we're trying

to come to help us for you know, for all your people that people who want to get to come

there, um, I'm trying a dollar, I think that one, I'm going to get a

little. Leo, you know you know you know, you know, we've got to be campaign with a tweet cam

and we're getting to the 72,600. We're going to this interview and in Twitter and in Facebook we're going to almost to get to

a million. So, you countas with us and I thank you to help to create to create social because

because the more we get the message to a, a more people. So, there's going to how much

how cost the motoccarro each one of those vehicles that are to be substituted for cabals. So it's the order of the $2,500,000, more or

less, and then there's a packet of things that we give them, too, for example, the security, the security, the insurance, some uniformes, for the work for that's a form more secure, with, let's get, with wands, et cetera,

the casco, well, in total, more or less a packet that's about the $3,000. $3,000, that would be there $45,000. And in this case, they're going to do a collecter

for this person, this is a particular, and obviously count with our participation. Exactly. Exactly.

We're going to do online. It's going to go to go to get to do you like a revolution there's a

person who can enter to there's a Facebook of Revolution Animal of Monterey and start to start to

this and I the fact that we're going to let us, what we put us we put us a little something that

is something that's something that's something that's something that is something that's a more than more infusions

and perhaps we've got maybe we can't even a little more of money and to get to get those $3,000. But I think

it would be much more beautiful if we're much those that we're doing to make, to show that really when the society

can be uny and want to cooperate, we can't get to someone. Exactly. That's, that's a point.

Now, going to, all general, those $3,000 that are to do this for every person,

that were the cost in the cost in Bogota and all this, in other countries, is what

is what says that the person that the person that can be a caro

can be to disembolize. That is a packet that's a that's a package that's a government paid by this presupposed of publicity or they're going to

or they're going to do you know, they're not to disembolse in nothing, the idea is that the only that they're to give a

change, is the cabo' for that's an option. Okay, so and there in an initiative private, government,

activists. And then then I said that this is much success in Bogota, Colombia, we're just

a lot of our podcast in Colombia. And we, I don't want to to devial the issue, but

if I want to sub-rayed how has changed to Columbia, how has a level

security, a level, uh, the rights of animals, a level society, let us,

we've got to their line airy. I went to the Galap and a Bianca, that's a

line air that that's a line area that, that's a lot, it's incredible. It's more

than American Airlines and the American the attention, the service, all. I mean, I mean,

I'm not a good a country in a situation very difficult, maybe like the kind of the kind of the

way of the world and how they're going to the world? It's a, I'm a, I'm a little bit of

a sombrero, and I'm a brand of my line preceded. The fact, it's a reality, it's a new and the menu

vegan that have been is marvellousous in the line of the line ofianca, the fact that's very

yeah, and yeah, and yeah, and yeah, and Colombia has changed. If one recalls, I'd have seen the

Columbia in that time, but read the news of the Columbia of the time of the Paulus Cobar, evidently,

there had been a change very, but that's very great, the people and the person is a

repasue of the violence, the last the last, he's got four million of

people, it's really so really, so I'm so I'm a grand baras, a grandissimo

braus. Four, wow, yeah, four million. Fikate that

that's that's that's very important. is equal that in the human has a,

I think the episode of the second we're in about the people we're when we're when we're

we'retamos when we're we're we're about our stories of victims when us art we're to be

getting us to see who to be going to it's that this me was that my my wife

is that my is that my father is that in my job is that when we when we're

when we we're we're not we're we're going to we're the same at level society,

at level When you cancans, of, really, of the really, you're really, de, the really,

you're doing, is when the society reactionate. And that's what the, what's what I'm

going to, what you got to do you, that's a little bit, a little bit, a second, before.

It's, it was, the time last, I think, we, we've, we,

I don't, I'm, I'm going to do you, I'll go to get, yeah, it's,

it's fantastic, yes, I'm, so, so, I'm, I always I always

the comparison of when one the time one's a and you're to get to a little, a very

way to get to get to to get to down to do it to make end up to talk fond. To talk

Fondo, there's I've never understood that's that I can't say that's but the

fact I think I think I think it I think I think it's a little so money to talk fond.

I'm really really the is insupportable. I hope that because it's a change in Mexico

and other and other countries of America Latina and the case Colombian we're

not only not only for to put to make flowers to and

the people to the people but that the other

nations not we can we can't for the hope for the

experience that yeah remember yeah remember to have a

problem of and of narcotr and of insecurity and of all this

very very when Mexico and other countries were super- tranquillus.

The bruntka was the assault of the city of not the city

insecure. Now we're the way of the city of the city of the city of

the country to live because when Colombia was in that in that in that

in this termino of things Mexico was all so much so much to do

that's doing that the country that has the America has it doesn't

that Colombia is a in much things I know I I think we're in our Latin America

is, is, it's, is, it's, is, it's, re-inventing to some in many times, and, we

know, that the people, the majority of the people, in a certain measure, not necessarily,

they're saying, well, yeah, no, we don't, we have to think that, if the poverty is

and exists, but no has been because it and it's because it's and it's just but no,

it's just to the time, the violence, the insecurity, the are all the things that's always the

, not the moment not even because of the moment historic, as we're saying the President

Ecuador, Raphael Correa and says, we're not we're in a time of a change, but I'm a

time of a change, but I'm more even for America Latina, for the quite,

in a certain media, also that more that's that we're that we're having to

from a time, they're a bit of an idea, and that's a thing, and that's a

other a other country that I've been to Ecuador I've been I'm a I'm a little bit in the

island of the market and I'm going to do do you know to do you a question and this was my experience

very limited I'm going to be quite but the people about the president the people was always

I was that there were there were airports to do dark in the Galapagos were they're in Galapagos

they're in Galapagos I was the bikeas the bike and they didn't they put in Cadena,

nobody and I don't know I'm going to the reality in all the world, but the

people saying that's very content to that's a question in education, that there's in hospitals,

in airports, in carreteras. I've seen to the Ecuadorianos with the airport, in the voyage,

maestros, people, people, they're all and they're saying I well, what rare

I'm from places where even in the people talk, Pest is the president.

It's very rare to hear to And I said, and I said, that nobody is in contra. And I said,

yes, the people that were the people that was a lot of the people who was very, but well,

it was a experience positive. I don't see my, let's say my, I'm a question, my mini-enquesta

is aligned. But me do much to do things positive as also in Ecuador. Yeah, but it's

all in the mine's with the mine's probably the country that's the most visit, and the

is that is my interpretation is is a similar, although we mandam we made from a turn of

to hearh to Raffel Correa, because we've received a not very good. What was?

This is the year of a reserve of the biodiversity that not was going to be tootar

finally has decided that is and I think that still still could have

to insisting a little more, not to maintain the strategy to not

start the yesuny I'm I'm I'm the reason

but I think not are justification, probably was of the best of the world of the reservoir of biodiversity, and even there were tribus incontacted, and other.

But, well, one no, simply will be of accord to 100 with a 100% with a mannedatarian, no? Let's see, let's see, I think, I still have a little bit of a little bit of the pressure,

let's see now the pressure that's a question that's a question a little, and will be to the strategy to maintain that, that's the, maybe the marvellousous

that we're the, and to the biodiversity. And to the Ecuador, because we're seeing much the people of Ecuador, see a Leonardo Anselmi, you're still active in all this in all America Latina. What is your Twitter, Leonard?

Leo Anselmi. Leo Anselmi, so, seguitito. Arroba, Leo Anselmi. And Facebook, you know, you're like, Leonardo Anselmi. I'm a friend of Facebook

is, yeah, Leonardo Anselmi activist. Leonardo Ancelmi activist in Facebook. Because I have much people that we see from Ecuador and let me ask us to see a Leonardo

and are to be aware of details specific. Something that I'm doing to know I said at

first of but I think I'm reaffirmar because just the we're talking about the

thing. The key to a good activist is an activist proactive is an

activist responsible is an an activist that that's a guy that you

know, that some people are using the provision of the attraction to the I'm

I'm more alineated because yeah I mean, I'm trying to that you can provide

certain things and that's things, but I think the packet complete, the packet

proactive, the packet operational primemundist is to try a solution where in the place

to nobody, but you offer you an solution integral for all. The best example

that I can't remember of you, is precisely the initiative of the abolition of

the the course in TORUra in Barcelona in where is a place, but the

plaza no kept there in the abandon, but the place, today is a place a day is a

little good at for a good for a question in Barcelona. One of the two places

that's in Barcelona, the place of the arena is re-convited in a central

commercial. And you know, something during the year of 2011 there's

two places in Barcelona, one that was the last year of Corrida of Toros and other

that was just actually just that was just reconvertian in a car given to

two, 500 hours of work, 2,500 hours of Hombie. And the Plaza of Torr reconverteded

in a shopping yeah, it was a 500,000 hours of the time. Wow. 2,000

2,000 because there's where all the people that protested is what is what

I'm going to there's of the couriers of in Mexico not that the theme that's a

time so much so much but 2,500 hours home of the job

against 850,000 million hours Wow in the same plaza generated by the

Plaza of the Towers as a place of Tors. So when when we say they're

going to get a post of jobs, I always never that the places

of the place of that's that's not a problem aggregated and is

that not only are those are those are great sacrifices

for the spaces infratilis that are much For example, in Bogotah also, the alcalde of Bogotta also, also,

the alcal of the boroughs of the torres of the TORs in the city. Yes. And the Plaza of TOROS, the Santa Maria, that is the place of all. The Plaza of Tos, with DELD. So, about because it was

very elitistic, the theme taurina in Bogota. So the fact of the quantity of activities that it was really incredible. A few calculo that's that when they had made made made sure that

had been passed for the Plaza of Tories the last year, had passed over 405,000 people. And the alcal of the Bogotah organized,

organized, uh, different types of cultural, in the Plaza of the Tos of Bogot, in the Plaza of Santa Maria,

where he met you almost 200,000 people with those activities culturales. 45,000 four times more. Four times

more and for all the people. And for all the type of public with activities gratuit and and other and without

any of violence. At the contrary. The contrary, it were some spectacles marvellous of operas of activities for children,

a pita a pitae a stature on a one, there was a day when we learned to dance,

I was about I was there a bit of my life, the fact, the fact. I've got to go to

go to go to go to go to get to go to go to go to go to go to

go to some day we're we're going to get to a quarter and we we're going

to see to do this because really you're going to and I'm going to do it. And I'm going to

put those videos in YouTube and all the people that's inspired in other countries, no, that bean, that not it's in

contra to, not we're going to have to have jobs, and the contrary, it's, it's,

it's, is, that's, because the plas of poros, for example, the Plaza

Mexico, no, that's in the city of Mexico, and are, are, are, are,

they're, they're in middle of the entire of the infrastructure, then you it's,

well, hours one a week when there time when there time. And this activity

he does, he does a business all the business, produce money and produces jobs and produces and

attractives for the society at all the levels, all the days, much hours at day, not one

hours a time when there's time. And you think they say they say, well, they're doing

other activities, but the youths in general in Plaza Mexico, we're,

we've got so so, so, so, so, so, activity that

that's there's a concert of rock you know, you know, they're not in the place in the Plaza of Mexico

because there's not a lot of the place to do that's a lot more. A me not would be a very,

I'd be a concert and start there, where I know where every time there there's a there's a practice

that I'm not a lot. I'm not I'm sure. But, well, I don't I'd say the thing,

but it's simply point to put the example of that if we want to the activism that every

people because there that we hear say, well, this, I mean,

I'm to look for the uncianitos or the people of the kids or the

kids with the kids with disabilities or the vacas or the activism at any

level, we have we're doing that is an activism an activism an

activism proactivism proactive. No, it's activism of victim and saying

that is unjust and without not, we trygames things to the people

they bring a solution to all in this the thing of the Basta, the task, is Basta, of TACC, is Basta

TACCHA. I'm a lot of a lot of all the levels of this what you're doing, well, what you're doing with all the

team of people that you're doing. I'm actually, I'm going to say, the truth, the fact, I'm going to

be the group of people my father always said, when one makes a ton to his major intelligence,

to be able to get to be more intelligent, and I've done to be a great, people, and people are

really good, and we've done things really things, we've that we have we have

always to always have a question we're going to we're going to my hostard that's a

call an solosophical virtual uh... yeah a project a project a project

a project a project also a project also a project also very very good that for

sure in Mexico is also having many acceptation we've talked with many

people about many people we're so well we're we're

we're we're so I'm that I'm that I'm those unmercised, but, well,

the more immemecides, more they'll do do one, no? Oh, my, my master, Blair Singer, master of,

the cresimient personal, of ventas and leadership, me says, that you take whatever whatever thing that's

three kilometers to the round, then you don't know, I'm going to, I know, I know you're

you're not you know, I'm a group of people, I know, I know, but you're part of him,

so, you know, I'm, I'm not I'm saying you're, you're, the,

the messias that's that is being part of this movement and us is inspiring.

In this moment me inspires to me at the when you're doing this you're going to so you're

not with going to get to get to guaybazos as we say in Mexico to lagartes no,

it's a recognition of my so like in the yoga it's the part

that's that's that part sacred that that exists into you to the that's the

part un-conditional, the unity of me, that's the it's my connection with God

with the universe, I know that part in Tileo. That's the, that's the, that's the good. The namaste. When yoga,

we say, namaste, that's so I'm saying namaste, my dearie, my great friend, felicit, so, for what you do you're doing.

You know, and also, I'm going to extend to this group of persons, also, to you're going to send a grandissimo a brazo,

also, and to say, that, that, actually, that, that the people have to concentrate to

have to have to to put a creativity to film, and over we need to we need to we need to

we need to know we're in we're doing that's a bit not really notary, nor do, not of,

things that can't photographia or filmarse, no, but also that also, that's, we're going to

start us, that's said, that no we can't get a new that's not so much, that's actually,

I'm not, I'm much to the people to get in that. Another other way? Socrates said,

that no can't desate? It can't desatar a nudo that not is made how it's made. No, we can desat

a nud that's not that's that you know. So, that's what you're saying,

understand the problem first? That's what we're doing, we need to codification the problems to govified a encodification

a solution. We have to understand where the problem. If the problem for today, is economic

and the sociological today exist because exist, all an, all, economic. Well,

perfect. Well, we'll, we'll look a alternative economic, that also about the animals, that also

us are about the sciences about the animals, but where the animals, not be going to be going to be able to be

not quite, with the technologies of reality virtual, that technologies telegrams, and we've designed this

project as a alternative. Or the what's the thing is about, with Basta of that's, we've visited

about about the city of Latin American and trying to learn the problem, trying to

study it, studying the reality, and at this moment, planed a solution. Never

once had been able inventing a solution to the problem of the attraction to the same if we'd have known in profundity to where radicably the problematica. Sure, no is it in contra of nobody.

You're saying to favor of how we can't this problem, that is a problem of all the society, that is a problem that and not is in contraught of those, is a favor of all, how we solution us the life to all, how we create a better reality. That is evolution. The theme of the, the

ologicals virtuales, then we'll do we'll do a podcast specific to talk about to talk about to talk about

the ological virtual virtuales. Yes, effectively that's another thing. To do an approximation, if someone

can enter in T-O, that's called email, let's write a Z-O-O- dot-W-S and there

are going to find a video, and they're going to find out but I'm an example

of this, no, we'll look them the we're the revolution industrial

was the alternative to the slavery, well, obviously, we're going to find an alternative to the question

of the animals, or other type of problematigas, as well in the ambit social, that also that may have been

being taken and that's certain. So, I'm going to this. We'll be the alternative.

In the alternatives, in the alternatives, in the answer. It's, it's also,

in the thing, for example, of the perros- callevers, obviously. No,

nor those that them to do the animals, or those who am to the animals, nor those who

don't they don't even those animals who are in the car with, no? So, and what I do

with all respect, there are communicators in the television that have said that no there are to eat to eat to

get to make them and there presidents municipales that are people, and I'm saying,

more than the problem that me like a human, to be a human, to make to

people, that parted not have the cause they because they were the people were the problems,

we're we're not us, we're not we're reproducili- of what friately,

of what is the not the reason to do the problem? If that's the origin of the problem is to be doing perilses,

and not sterilize and not promovations and vending the perrots in the centers commercial and in the parks and the

stacionamientos and in the streets and the culture of that I, it's that I'm there's a mother and

there's the eight chachorritos and the eights and the eights are twenty-and- that's the origin of the

problem, that that's the the cruelty and the example horrible that we're to do our children and our society?

What's it? If we're not it's, it's to be a aspirin in best to get to the origin to, and that's where

as we're doing this example that we're we're talking about here with Lowe of Basta Tass Basta, Basta,

Dirtction to Sangerergerer where we want to make to allosos to us. Me, you're saying,

because we're going to see the Recta final, but about the equipment of people that you have,

that the university veterinary and that in Monterey, has been a reception very, very good

for this of Basta of TAS. Yes, effectively, you know, there's that was a, well,

there was a very good for the sector political. We're really we've runnosed with various secretaries of

the alcalia and you get to the program and I think in a few months we're going to

get in a most very much very much very, very it's very much did the

pass, so rapid, so much so much so so much so much a city

and And also, and also, justly in the charlough that did we, the director of the faculty

of veterinary, and publicly in the charlough, he said that they're going to be able to and that's going to be able to

the sanity of the animals, that are recuperated, that are that are to be used to their times,

to get to the job, for so that's in those places where not going to work, they can

be in a state of an state of perfect, and well, and well, So it's what you said,

the companies that are to help us with the contention of the infancy, the administration that's going to be at the charge of the process, the organizations

civil and the society organized, and also the academy has to be in this. The grand forces social, we have to have to be involved on this,

and I think that there's no that we can interpone in the media if this really happens. That's what I'm a

question to Monterey. We have many of Monterey. in Monterey, that's a city that's a lot of

the lot of the sombrero when and he's and he's so he's so I'm going to so I'm so you know

so much you're going to during these during these days you're visiting also other other other places

yeah we're going to some places of Veracruc that's a time that's a let's make

let's get to get to the Galap I'm going to be a New York I'm going to be a

back of the river we're going to talk with the different alcales, the locales, the other to comment

also the program because they manifest are very, very interested and they're in the way, he's called, he's not,

he's not, that's the thing to the country to the transaction of the country, but I

have found a way to be a way of a sort of, so I think he

he came a lot the program to the administration, in definitive we don't

we can't do much where no there's there, where the Voluntary is

we're basically to say the how do you know, so what are the secretes

technical to be to get to get to the thing and you know,

I think to get to recogger what you was the things of

the animals of the animals, you know, we know, we're doing a

time, we're getting to redacted in these days, to get gratitantly, to pass a person,

and passarly to be a car to be a and to continue getting money. That's

very good because is just what is just what is just about here in California.

Here in California you see? Here in Santa Monica. In Santa Monica really a tent

that's very bad-vista. No, I'm very bad-vista. The people that we have people, we don't

go and we come to food to times where we're a form of Oh, we'll get

to that so much in all Latin America also and all the countries of the world.

In that the sense California I think that's one of the places. Some day we'll

have to give some premium to the Angeles in general for their politics of the protection of animal because they're very good.

Obviously not all the job done to do to do you. Felt's much. But they're very good. But yeah

it's been prohibited in all the state of California. It's probably the public cities like West Hollywood

and no I'm I remember that other cities of the country of the country just over

the country even in centers commercial. So, no, they can't send us

can't a men that's a of a view of not the problem, because they're

that's for the people because of a lot of people. And they're very well

to get a who they're they're doing and they're they're doing. That's the problem. And they're

them are they're so they're people. So, so, are the problem. The problem is

this this event massiva of animals like if were things. Yes, the factories.

All the factories, all the factory of the car the factory of the the factory of the factory, the capitalism

inconsient where Applied about. Applied. Exactly. A bit, how is you

that? How? Dillow. The capitalism applied through seres intientes. The capitalism

applied on certain things. Exactly. So, no, it's nothing to do matter of

money. I'm totally pro-empresarial, pro-capital pro-capitalism, pro-libert pro-creativity and all.

But it has a capitalism conscientious, a capitalism sustainable, as, like, like,

some people, like, some the a guy of Caffe Gratitude, that is one of my restaurants

favorite here in Los Angeles. They have even a book that's called commercial sacred, where they're doing

to do a way a form sacred, is a way in a form in that the society entire,

the employees, the clients, are benefitingisending of that commercial, not where you don't, where you're

doing the resources natural, human, animals, animals, of the planet. There's,

there's an enormous difference between the conscience and the a lack of conscience in all what we

do we do definitely the time the time of not having money or not to have business or

a business type is a issue of because nobody lives without any that's not even

to get to the time you're all the stuff you start all the that you you'd be you're in

mind you're I'm sure with what you're saying I think the grand problem probably the materialism

the capitalism are the ism just those is That's all the final, that it will be an objective in in the same-isome. And that probably the final

when it's term, it's generating major infelicity. But it is evident that we can't we can't, we can't, say,

for the liberation animal at the fight to the fight against the we have to that that that's

a sum, certain parameters moral, like, what has been to be with the consumer of the

animals and the other day was having the news to the last you It's out of the hamburgess of Carta that's

in England. And I don't see if would ever would be to eat a vegan. But, maybe like a question symbolic and in my plan of

the activism it's a way to demonstrate that that also that also we can't do a laboratory without any necessity

to suffer the animals and that the carne, and that's not it contains all the elements potentially cancerinels, cholesterol, et cetera,

so it's, conserve the texture, the flavors. Well, what problem is? that the people eat and there's a

problem of the meat is the problem of the life of the person just in that we're going to and massing a and to be a

example, that you're to the action of the attraction to the same, in those factories, where they're to abuse of the

animals and do those animals and do things and doves because they're they're they're going to survive and

is what they have to do all the days. Imagineate what type of human we're we're creating in all

these factories where have to cutting the collar without anesthesia to a stardito or the testicles or rank

or rankingly or cut into pices to do you all the things cruel and trot that's all the human, a person human

and that does that's a year or that for a little minimum or sometimes less than the minimum, what type of

human does a person to come a person who is a person who is a person that we're doing to the

people who are the factories and they're in the same inferno of the animals

although they're not are feeling that physical, but they're there

living in that reality. So, really it's tremendous. We're a lot of people.

Leo, I thank you. I'm thank you. Thank you. We're other things, evident that we

can't continue to and I'm in other podcast. But with what I am I quite,

is definitely that there there's much space between the communism that no functioned

in the Union Sovietica and between the capitalism inconsient that we're

there. There much space in we can create a hybrid where there a responsibility

social, and there's benefits and the growth of economic and liberty for that's with what I

think of this conversation in the global. I'm I'm quite with the same Marko and me I

keep about with the reindication of the equality and the equality between the species

and the different species, not, of the different of the people

people are especially in the program Basta Dats. Our slogan

in the campaign is no cabos slaves, and humans excluded,

the campaign no has a single reindication, has two, is for the animals and for the people,

or not is? So, this is a point what I said, I'm really, very content to

get to this campaign. We're we're going that the argument that says that

the rights of the animals are in the detriment of the rights not.

It's not so. If we we're able to find the points of

the interests, the the confluences, and the others, we're evidently

we're going to to continue I think that is the the same the same the consensus and the

question of the time to see it to get to informers to let us to get you or to get you

to get us to get us to get us to get us I'm going to I'm a little inactive in the

social because I'm doing a much much a job and I have to have to get to

contract a community manager but let me recommend my Twitter Arrova

Leo Ancelmi I recommend also my web and the organizations with which I work, which is the Foundation Franz Weber, with the Association Animalist Libera,

here in Mexico with the Movement Conscience, I think are all different ambitos of the activism that, certainly the people are going to feel inspired, and we're going to need a lot of all of them, as well as you said, when we have to diffunders

that are in adoption, that person who has been a term, more or less X, more or less good, and can adopt a pair of these of these these marvellous that are to be able to

we're we're very much but over the people are very to do you're going to appreciate much much more also we're

many people here in Mexico with this time. So, well, we're trying to try it's we're doing to

do that maximum that we're doing in Mark Antonioorogel and I'm on Marcoe in Twitter and Mark Antonio and Regil

in Facebook I'll be doing doing to do all this we're doing a blog, too and we

all the information that me mandes, Leo, you know, we're going to be diffunding for that governments

government of the state, people, all can put in contact and support. So, I'd be a

curiosity to say, well, if an president municipal or a public or an

activist or a local is listening, to where he's a to come to to be a movement?

That would my principal objective with this question. What is the best for

someone that is in unice? I think the The best you can

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Okay, so we do we do we do, a great abrazo and we'll do another podcast to talk about perritos-Calleggeros

and of veganism and of politics and many other things of the T-Ros Tant to to talk to a man,

the time of that's the time. The thing that's Mark, I'm sure it's been a pleasure. Thank you

this greatsible to get to get to and get to and I'm to get to much more

more soon. Thank you. Thank you last question. How many years have you yeah? Without

no, I think I think I'm for the seven yeah almost. Seven years. And you

six years. And you still is five. And I'm still but apart the

part of the other to ask to ask you to medical, the

car that put in the last analytical that me said, I don't he said, he did

better than the one of the other than the other than the other I'm not a new sport Marco,

I'm sure that I'm even though I'm too too much of the veganos and I'm

know, I'm not to know, too carbohydrate I'm too, I'm just I'm just

I'm I'm not I'm still well, you I'm sorry so I'm so I'm so I'm

so you know, we're a program thanks after Until Proto,

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