El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 048: La maestría del amor con Don Miguel Ruiz

Episode Date: April 16, 2017

Conversación con Don Miguel Ruiz, autor de “Los Cuatro Acuerdos”, “El Quinto Acuerdo” y “La Maestría de Amor” entre otros títulos. Don Miguel ha tocado el corazón y la vida de millones de seres humanos en el mundo con sus enseñanzas profundas y sencillas. En este episodio nos habla de la enorme diferencia entre el amor condicional que hemos aprendido y el verdadero amor, que no tiene condiciones.

Episode number 48. The podcast of Mark Antonio Regil is a production of RGL Entertainment and all his rights are reserved. Welcome to the podcast of Marko Antonio Regil. Today us accompany one of my authors favorite. Of all the books that I've been the gusto to learn, because me encanta, me encanta, me encanta, me encanta, a customary that my mother me ensued,

the four accords, the maestria of the love, the fifth accord and other books more of my favorites. Those

I'm because they're a point of a point of a great idea to get to our level of

conscience to make a conscience of that we're what we do our mind and

how so much we're we're so that those books have an

author that is Don Miguel Ruiz admired queried, applauded,

recognized a level a new a new an Mexican expert in the Southuery

Tolteca and he is the book, well, we're going to talk not of the

book, we're to be the content of the book, the of the

love, a conversation with this this podcast. Here in this podcast.

What I'm in my program of radio internet in the podcast

Don Miguel Ruiz, how you're you're still? Well, very content, as a custom. Densflotting the

life, as always. Vives Feliz. Affortunately, so is. That's good. And we're both here.

We've got. I didn't know. I didn't even so much. A few quarters, we've to come to come to come

back to come. One of my books favorite of the time is the time. The Maestria of the

time. You know much, but the Maestria of the love is a book

very, very special. It's the thing of what is the love, because there

many many mind-entendid of what is the love. Yes, I think that's a

book that should be a lot of people, but primarily in our adolescence

when we we're in preparatoria before that we think we to take a decision

very serious as the to be together. Because in this book, we can

get a little the and we know we know we we're we're

we're we we're because we we're I've made I don't know

as an concept that I had of what is the love

was a concept completely equivocal So, the problem with the

problem with the love, we can say is that we're that we

the way that's we're we're the way in the form in our

parents am our our society our family without our

that's the major problem that exists in all the humanity. And we really don't

are the because it's what we're not exactly the love but it's the opposite to the

love. That's the problem principal. And who us showed this version of

what we called a more popularly not was that they not were not the

intentions. It's what in papa and they're what the people know. And it's

what they're it's what When one says love, one thinks in the, well,

yeah no, but I thought I'm always in the songs of Jose or the Hsu or the or the one of

nobody, and if you do you do you don't know not so much, nobody has for me, and the

love is dolorous and the love you and the love is and the love is a lot of a cellos

and it's a tele-novela a movie where the love is this person that me to come

to come to come to come to come to come to get to my life,

all going to be good, because I am a not so I don't know to be in

you. That is the, the love romantic that we know.

So, I remember very when my my son, was a adult

and the time, I was in this time I was I'm so

then I asked, hey Miguel, what is the demonio the demonio

more great that exists in the humanity. The demonio more

that exists in the humanity what is? So, he said, it's the love.

The love is the demonio more that's the humanity. And it's so strong

this demonio that he wants sacrifice human so we know, so we're

we're we're we're we're we we're we sacrifice

to make a number of the number. So that really is a more if it's a demonio

with the name of the love. A demonio with the name of the love. So,

is the opposite to the love. And is what we learned is what

we can't call the love conditional. Mm-hmm. So, I'm, I'm,

you, I'm don't know if me you can control. If I can

control you, we're can't be very felices. If you do you

do you do you do you never never never no problem. If you

do you do you do you you're not, that's, that is another form of control.

So, if you do you do you want to you think you do you know,

you know that you talk you you're you want to you want to be we're

we're eternally felices. If you do you what I want to you give you

you I want to you get you get you the problem is that they

are exactly exactly the same they're they're they're if they are you

get to what they want to you then so that is an a

more conditional and we're we're we're so so that's like

all the people to all the around you see

so you see how our others am the

one to the one to conditional. How us teach them to love is

conditional. We have our minds we're we're all this kind of all.

So we know we know we know that the problem of the love conditional. When all we know

we're going to make that that is the principal problem that has the humanity. we know the why of the injustice,

the because of the of the war, or we're we're seeing of all, all the type of conflicts.

And is that we're we're with conditions and the the worst is that we know,

we're to us also we're also with also with conditions. That is the major

problem that we we're mentally. If I were what that it should be, then

it would be a felon. If no, I don't I'm this, no I'm not, I'm not

not much more. I'm not not enough enough to get to do that. And that's because we love us

with conditions because not we're what we should we're, we're, to agree to us

and of the people that we're to know to love. As you our parents, as the

example that me put us of the painter or of the photographer that was

dentist he was a dentist and he worked for many years until

that he he did know that that's not what he was he was a because

his father he said he said he was he was he was he he got to

do he he was so he was so that was because that that was

that was that was a me am always when I do my what my

do you know, that's in a first is in a principle when it's an adult but

yeah, you're more more formed what I want to me, because we we're

we're we're we're we're so we do the sufficiently perfect

for us for us but we know we're we're that's the problem

when we're we're we're we're we're and we say what we think we're

what we want, pretend we're we're doing we're not, but one that we're going to be, we're going to

we're going to pretend we're going, pretend we're what we're not so we're so we're not being perfect from that

that's the point of the point of that in reality, all we're perfected as far and the imperfection

exists onlyly in the mental human. And that's the result of to amarned with conditions and for that we're

we're injicions, we're incontas, and for that we're to pay for those errors, for not be perfect, for not be what we're not

not so not is a more, really, because the love conditional, is it's like, it's what is the hells, I'm not, no, no,

you know, the lade, more well, you're more than, the lade, until the lade, compel your expectations, this frio, sea, of chocolate,

sepa rick, so, I'm so I'm, I'm, but no, I'm doing, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, want, I'm, I'm, I'm

want, I'm not, it's posseer, or control, or have an expectativeness over something, no? So, it's for

that the love result to be the demonium more in the humanity. The love, between commies, the love

as the word, we interpretable, the thing, that's exactly, the opposite to the true love

that's inconditional and that's exactly what we're not we're or we're unconditional

unconditional and not with us not with the other because in the measure in the way I'm to learn to

amar how I'm not as exactly but I'm I'm I'm how I'm

how I'm I'm I'm I'm little bit little bit half, back it

so young not so young Hizos, un-exitoso, with money, without. If I'm

going to be to love how I'm, I'm going to learn to them to them. Exactly.

So, then when when I'm to learn to you know, to be a time you're, you know,

that chiso that we're that's the time that is at to learn to be a time you

know, you know, you're not you're not you're not in the you're in because you

know that the same form in that you you do you do you do as well the rest of the people

also they're to be they're exactly in the same problem that you you're but they're not they're

that's the problem and when me I'm I'm to learn to learn to learn to

learn to let's to I'm I don't I'm I'm not I'm not I'm

not I'm I'm that I'm exactly that is the point. Now, the that you des

a question of that you do you know that you know that that you know, that they're going

to change. No. They're not. But you will be able to know that they're they're

with conditions and you have a thing you have to give you don't. Because

you know, to all the humanity to all your family, to your spouse,

to your children, to a form very distinct because you

you know you can't you can't you can't you can't but you can't expect that they're

not you don't know so anything so anything that they can do you do you don't have to take you

know personal because they in their own own their own that's your one of the four

accords in not not to not take the not something exactly so

when when you when you does you know you're only

responsible of your creation, of how you you know, of how you is only for you. And that's completely

responsible of how you but you're responsible of how they're the other people, you are the

middle of a relation. The other half, you can be your spouse, can be your brother,

your brother, a friend, a a friend, a group of of people, the new, the other, the rest. The rest of

you are the other half. But in a relation, this, basically, with the people that's

trying in that moment. So, then you're just you're responsible of how you're not, of how they

are, or they're not that's your problem. Is to To just to depend to this approbation

that is very human is very of the mind, very of the ego, start looking,

I need to me approve, need I accept, I need to me want, and I am I

think my value is based in what the people think of me, in what they're

what I what I'm, in what how many people I have in how many likes

me done, it's like to put the Felicidad out of depending of the other exactly.

Exactly. So when you're you know you need to all those those these men

that are that you know you can be completely happy without a effort

simply the start living the start the day or the night or the climate

of where you're sufficient for to be and, and so all you

know, you know, you're about the naturalness, what you know, that you know,

that you know, but not the person of the other, they're responsible to their

themselves. So, one that you get to that point, you're you're

completely ready for any type of relation, for a relation with a woman,

with a friend, a friend, a with your your kids, your

parents, with any people even that not know because you're responsible of

your creation and the creation of the creation of the other is a difference

incredible in our life. And that directly that's when you when you

when you when you when you you when you you're your your level

of your level of that's the that is the the is the

the is the the is the the true suffering. Exactly. That's the

put in a hand and you take a miracle in the head. No. You're doing you're doing

you're doing. So, you do you do this extremely simple. No, you're not you're

not you're that's very important. No you're not you're, or you're, so the moment

that no you're, then if there's some problem, resolves the problem, and you will be able

to be able natural. Right. Exactly. So, you see, to every baby, always you'll have that a sonrisa. He has a little bit,

and he'll be a year, or that's that he's incoomod or what that's air to be a car,

if it's that problem, the sonrisa regressa immediately. Yes, only that if we're

just we're the solution for the baby is that they're that they're or needs. And as as adults, when

not obtain what we need to this relationship, I want this relationship, I'm this woman, I'm this house, I'm this

money, I'm going to do you do you do you do you do this, then I'm a bit of course,

then I dofusca my felicity. And the reason of that that is because

we're we're going to the other people, to the situations, we're we're trying

to control the control the mind of other people, to see them the world as we're in the

world as we're seeing, you know, that is a more conditional, the love that is the

movie and the movies and the movies of Hollywood, that's not the love. Definitely no, but it's

very romantic, that's so. It's very romantic. It's so you're to do that it,

it's attractive, it's, like, it's, like, it's, and it's also,

a much people. But that's because that's because they're in their own own mind.

It's like they're to see to see to be to see because they know

with conditions. So, the meta really is re-apprend to love without

conditions. Because that is a more, that's that we're we're we're

we're only in our mind. For example, when

you You know, even has been your own your own your own. You know, you know,

you know, you know, you know, you can't even your life for that person,

without, no you don't expect nothing to change. That is that's a question.

There's the question of something or of someone, you know, there's a condition to love.

It's conditional. And that's the is the real love. That's the real love that's the thing. So, if you

know how you know, you know, you're doing how you're doing how you're seeing the when you're

seeing the the conditions that you put to you know, I'm just because, because

no, you're not you're perfect to do to do to your point of the point of

the point of the concept that I that domestication of that you You know, you're about in your books, the mind domesticated, or a

country entire domesticated, or a humanity entire domesticated to have to complete with certain characteristics. And if not I'm so, I'm imperfect. Then then I don't merit for a more.

Then then I'm just going to do something. It's a suffering horrible. Exactly. And that's all the humanity, in all the world.

But onlyly in the humanity. Unicament in the mind human, it's that. In the rest of of the creation, all is perfect.

For that I think that the imperfection only exist in the mind human and is real. It's

true. Because all what exists is perfect. We're we're just we're just we're just

to perfect or imperfect what we perceive us, what we analyze us and then it's very

simple to do that concept to a one side and be what really we're really

we're and to the natural the natural says that we're not it's complicated it's simple

it's simple we're we're we're to think when I see to the natural

when I'm in the presence of the majesty and I'm front at the

mar you're in Touloum for example not sentado being

it's amor inconditional is it's amor inconditioner or I'm a

the pageage. No I'm this place is the better than

the other. This is more more than the little this is a other this other

this is for this one when we sit down to the nature that's other form

to see a God to be the creation we we're we're

we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're

we're we're we're we're we're immediately the mind

that that's that that that's a to judge, juster, justgar,

justgar, and want to and decide who is better than who, who is more

than the people who are and they're that you're and then it's where it's the problem,

because it's that we're the natural that we don't know, and the mind the mind that's

it's just very simple because we know us to us we're just we're and that

so it and so it's a projection it's a projection, it's a it's

only in the mind. Not the real. The solution is with me, is to work with me. It's to

learn to be able to be able to do you know, and I'm to learn and accept to the other and accept to the

other than to learn with conditions. All those those conditions to do this not take them in mind.

That's one means that that you know you're that's what you're doing. And it

could you do you don't you do what is what you are really

you don't know you know you have the power to control it's the power to

control certain certain circumstances in the circumstances in the world is a unvueled because

we're participants in this dream of the planet also but when you

amas inconditional then then when you don't you know you

emuveles emotionally like those emotions not those are those to those who

took a or what decision? No. No, not you affect emotionally but that

not mean that you don't have your hands maybe the solution of some problem.

And if you have the solution of that the problem, then you have a solution that

do you do you do you do you do you do even when I

do I'm engancho and I don't put in in as

victim I can even even I'm even more I can't help more

to the world and my life? Yes, because you're more objective. Exactly. I can't see the problem,

the possible solutions, because my emotion is above, my intelligence is right. Many times

you're just you're just you're in the problem. The solution is in the same problem? The solution

always is there. No, but not that they're not going to see it for any circumstances.

At times they don't want to because they're in contra of their interests,

but that's that's another thing. It's not more than a cause of a lot of the humanity.

Let's do a pause and we're talking about with Don Miguel Ruiz, author of the

four Quirdo's, the Masteria of Marhuis, and we're back. I'm Mark Antonio Rejili,

in the program of a radio, and we're having to the first part we're talking about the difference of the

different of and the love inconditional, that's curious that we have to put them to put them to because, because the love

is the love not just to say inconditional like to distinguish of the love of the telenovela and the... Exactly.

And of the and the, and the, because if you're to do that the drama, that's necessary. The love

no, no, no is drama. The love no is meo, too. The love no is zealos too.

Nothing of that the love no is violence too. It's more no there's no way to describe really what the

love is. Simply is. So, exist much before the humanity and it's going to

much after that the humanity has extingu is eternal. So, that's that is the

truth. The truth. The word. The word. The love is God. So, God.

God. But also, we've created a one God. That's not God. That is a demon.

It's like a novel. That is a god. That's like a noja, that us can't, that is that he's going to to come to to look at his effect,

of some effect, of some way. And that's enoja with me, I don't me me, I'm meresco, and I'm not

to come to him. It's a God conditional. So, so it's a concept, that no,

in my heart, that's exactly the opposite. As a more inconditional, amor inconditional, amor conditional.

as we did we say that that's that's the demonio most

of the human and is the he's the thing is the name

the love inconditional and you you you you

then so all this violence et and it's

more more not than not we need we need we

we need we we need we we we we Because in our

God us aceta if at a case we are perfect in the point of of the point of

of the point of what we're nothing more more than more than energy. Energy

is equal God. Energy is eternal, not can be destroyed. So the truth is

extremely simply. It is more than energy and material. Since so has much,

we've learned that the matter is inert. Unicamintes, if a force has a move, if a force, it's a force, it's, a force has to be, but for it's not so much,

the matter has the principle and has the end. Well, the force that move in the matter is God. That's a force is

energy. The energy is indestructible. Transforms the material all the time, but is indestructible, it's eternal.

no has no principle or the if that we're to be

all the religions is exactly what they are to say about you

so when you you know that you need energy and

material is a binobio that create all what

exists all what exists is made of energy material

like in your computer in your computer you

can you can hear those those sounds sound

and it's more than one and zero. And the

reality is energy and the matter so the

conclusion is that there is a one and that is

a life and that we call God is

energy so so the material is formed by

the energy so is one only really so

in total reality, all what exists not is that matter and energy. It's a

one single and that's what we call us God. So, no, there's a

conflict between science and religion. No, no, no. That's mental also. And the

essence of God is the love. That energy is the love. Because that

is what is what is what is the problem. When I get you get to the

mind, my insecurities, my self, my recores, my malos

my understand what is not it's not it's not it's not it's

not really is that love that that that compassion that

that that the so the only that is that every

moment to at the moment in that for whatever

we we we we don't so so so

so so we to get to never to

but the energy is for and there is where it's where one of the bad ones you know in your book in the

mastery of the love of this time of the abundance and you and you're this example of the a kitchen a magic

the the kitchen magic that that's all of but that if I'm I think I

know that I know that I'm that I'm so you can't make a more me

has to do that I'm definitely is the example of the pizza or so if you have that

a cocina you can't you can't you need anything you can't do you can't do you because that

cooking magica is this love inconditional that is that's because you you're because you amas

inconditional when you know you know you know you don't you know you know

you know you're because only you see the conditions, then the those the situation.

So in that in that state mental and then I'm not not sufficiently enough enough enough

intelligent, never I can't do you know, I don't I need, I need

I'm, then so if someone gets a to your door and you offer a pizza

and you are so you're so many because it's years or years that

you know you So, accept the pizza and you Sientz that you deves much to that person that I give the pizza. So the person, you know, you know, if all is what I want, tomorrow you have another pizza.

And if all is all right, you're going to have your pizza all the days. Only it needs to do what I, what I do you, what I do you pay. So, so, so, de simple. So, so we're just that pizza, we're going to see the pizza. And if it's not yet the pizza,

we're just with that problem mental, because we don't know we know we're going to that we're going to get that whole of food. So, now imagine that you know, you know, that you know, that's a

kitchen a magic and that you need to, that nobody comes and to offer us a more. So, then, the pizza, look, if you

do you do you want, you know, you know, you know, so you know, I'm, you know,

I'm, no, if you, I'm a problem. But, I'm going to do what you want to do you want. No I need to

your love. If it you know I accept, what good. But no I need what I

do you have you have done more. You're more than the two years. Because

are without conditions. So, so then it is to give you

in what in English is the awareness, no is is

that you have abundance in you, but if you don't you

know, then you end up and you're mindinginging a lot of so you know, you

know, you know, you know you know know the those treasures that you and you know

you know you know I'm not me and I'm good, very feo, very old, et cetera, et cetera,

who me will be that's the domestication uh, that's the someone us trained

us entraned us we're not, we're not so as an

human, like a person that is is doing the conditional. So, the process

really is desapprender to love with those conditions. But that doesn't like to the

mind? No, because all the life we've practiced to love to that

form. It's a bit and the habits are difficult. So, if all

the other people who are around do they're exactly the same and it's the

normal for the thing, the to be the great drama because your your mother

you left or for whatever something. Yeah, the mind, what you want is to look a coupleable

to work for not to make responsibility of what so there. So the so the thing,

for the ego, for the voice-a- in the mind, is I'm going to be

my new new my new can be, the day that my child change, the day that the

person change, the day that the day that the world can be, the day that the world can be, and what you

do you say, exactly. It's the opposite. No, you can't do what you don't have.

So, so to give that this love unconditional, first you have to

have to you know, to be to be you aseptart, you as far and to pretend

be what you're and be authentic. So, every every time that comes,

because the people that's talking, maybe is asking, okay, I'm

like the idea, how I do, how I'm to practice this, of

amarm inconditional So the first is the first step is the is the seeing how I'm doing,

I'm with with conditions or without so I'm know that that's all the life has been able to

see but you know, but you know that you have that's that you're you know

we can't do you do it before you already and all our habits not that

those habits that are that's that more conditional So, one That's You know, to start

alerted in your habits. It's what you call you start the Asecho in your In your

Asch Ashto, start Like, as the Pones the Pornes the Perns the

Perns all the time, the time, you know, and the Everectately So,

they're So, they're So, then, then, every that one

of our habits is, that cause that's causing that that problem.

when you you're you can you can make the habit because

they're so high arreggated those habits that are very difficult

to get so you know that that that

that that we we do we do we

do how you can you because it's a

contradiction this the suffering is an experience so

des How can I do I'm I'm going to do something that's something that's how can't create an

addiction? Okay, for example, we're saying, we're going to people, we're going to us a cigar

we, we're fumamos and we cause a to cause a tos this is agradable is. Yeah.

So, so you know, you know, no, you don't you don't get the cigarro.

But the adult are are doing. So, you know, to fumar and to fumar,

and to fumar until that you're you're and you do it's an addiction. And every

a way, it's more and more and more and more and more more. That's

that's the alcohol, but not only that, but we're we're not only that, we're not

our mothers and even, even parents, being tele-novelas and what's

what's in those telenovelas and they're suffering for what is going to the telenovelas

but then the interaction they're in nojo there's there's problems and there's

the suffering so there sofermient and let get the phone and they communicate

to all the people my time my and I'm sorry and yory joey y'i

and all emotionally they're in those plattick normally the responsibility no

And I'll, let me tell me what I'm I'm saying. I'm saying, I'm well, I'm a victim, and I'm doing it, there's a chism nothing. Exactly. So, then,

as we're doing, that's, we're talking that. And we've been the dramas that you but this, it's a fact that because we're seeing

it, we're thinking it, and we're learning. And we're learning, we're going to start, and we're to do it, and we're just, we're doing,

we're, we're not, we're just our parents, tios, tias, like the relations that you have so we're

13 years, we're going to have a relation and we're to copy them to get to get celosos for meas

this, no you can't be with anybody more there's there's that you to go to

the society that we let us take us and we're we're we're just we're just

we're just we're we're we're so we're so we're so 13, 14, 14

14 years and they're there's Muchismos hours for what we're casemus and we

we're in we're in the other person and we're and we're with conditions now you're to puttarty

so, if it's that you want to be my and the exactly. Exactly.

Exactly. So, not only suffer the that's object of those celos, the celos

suffer. Sure. Ambo suffer. So, so if so I'm in celas is

that you want to do you're an addiction. Exactly is the addiction more

grand. Start discussing, start chismianing or start playing, to be,

a bit, it's a competition, to be, like, the ego against the ego,

not, to be who's, to be who tallye more, let me, let me,

let's, you're, you're you're very, very intense in your drama.

It's so intense that dole. So, then you need another addiction to get

to this addiction, so, then I'm to to mar. To dormcert. Exactly.

For that you forgets that you're to be a little that's a suffering and I metto other

addiction on the toorme to make of that I think the so the addiction

of the suffering will create the rest of the addictions oh God

so drugs cigarettes cigar to eat more so

all those those types of addictions are results of the addiction

principal, or so addiction to suffering and all and all of we're going to to just just be able to

be an alcoholical if so just just to suffer, could be happy and we don't we're perfectos.

And I go debiliting more because the more alcohol, more cigar, more more food

chatarra, more chismes, more celos, I'm going adormecing me going to be

getting my going I'm feeling like I'm I don't have the possibility to create

nothing, but the life me is going to me instead of I'm going to I'm

so you know that you're all this all that's all that's that's all that's the that's the

that's the that's the problem of the humanity the the malentendendid all so that

the love is conditional exactly and the that's and the that all we've

all the all the conflicts that all the world, all the world,

it's because they're impone their people, to the people

to get them they're what you have been the problem is the love

conditional. The solution is the love inconditional but still

still there are many years for that the humanity

to get to get to understand completely of what

is the problem and to about more and

the solution of that problem. But the solution comes with one of the same. Because it's the only that we can't change, our own world, our own our own reality. And how amandons without conditions, accepting us as far

and we're, the being authentic of new. Accepting as well. Ascepting as we are. As soon. As we're perfectos. One of the things that me culturally really, I really cost much

to accept to me, Miguel. It's, for example, my sexuality.

In a quite I'm a person very sexual. And I'm was a I'm a sexual

very great. I'm, I fascina the energy feminine. Even if you think it's an addiction, but

no it's. And he's a part of it's a part of it's a lot. And nobody nobody

nobody it's a matter. I'm going to be able to be a person, I'm

I'm a person, I'm a person good and spiritual and I'm very sexual. Well, I'm not so promiscco, that's another story,

but that you like much your sexuality and, and you know, and more you can't be promiscco if is what you want to do you

do that's another story, that's another story, and also, are the rules of the society those who are the things

because who are you know, the woman, or the woman has to have only a woman only the womanity,

never has been that's been And it's not It's not It's not It's a No, it's a Muchernerner

So it's a vocation There's a vocation There's a A vocation Start in a So it's a So far Are there

Are there? It's much more Simple than that It's a In the DNA In the ADN In English Adenen in

Spanish So yeah No it has No It's not to be With the Programmental That we

The program Mental that we We don't It doesn't nothing to have with the

DNA. So, all those those rules that know are in

our mind are very different to the in your in your DNA

because with the ADN is the code how is

how it is going to form a person human so

so so so so so the the TNA

is X Y or X X. Humber, Uh-huh. So,

X, X, X, X, is programmed to be a woman, and that's a body

will have all the necessities that's a woman, and it and will

be a way to a woman a way to pass to let us, let us, 10,

13 years, will start to get that that's sexual. Mm-hmm. Sin

understand it but it will be to be a petito sexual will be a

growing, and it's is a more. and even with the man.

So, so it's a decision that we're not not a decision that we're but but we're to know what is

well, it's bad or to do you religion, society, it's moral, etc. are,

they're not are reals, but have affected to all the humanity. They've been going to

have been going to see to see a through the history has been very

different and it depends of the religion depends of the moment historical has

been different. But I can decide to live as I'm like I'm going to but I'm going to be a good, but do it

because I'm doing the because I'm because I'm that's what you want to experimenter in this moment of my life.

Exactly. And if no, well, go ahead. Be happy. That's what you want to do you know, so you

are you know, so you're an authentic. So, what you think, the humanity or the society of the religion

is another other thing, and no has no. For example, if you see in Greece, Roma, the society was completely distinct.

So, it was, it was common that they had various parishes, et cetera, et cetera. Inclusive, the homosexuality, was normal in that time. And not been normal until the

last the last years here. But, there's been that problem, that no is a problem, really.

The problem is only in the mind and it's real. The problem is just to, I mean, I have to give my

life as I want to give to and I'm and I'm in and then I'm sure the people

and the pap he said, my, my, my, my work on is,

not you're when they asked about about the homosexuality no, that said, what I'm,

my labor not is not, what my is to be not, exactly, so the

things, then the things are to continue and fortunately. And, well, we're going to

make a question, of the love, the maestria of the Amor with the author of this

Hermoso book that you recommend. Don Miguel Ruiz, that's here in the program. We'll

go to go back about this you're going to you're going to you're going to your book, which is the thing of the

relation perfect. How is a relationship? We'll get a podcast. Program of Radio and internet.

Don Miguel Ruiz, author of the Masteria of the Amor, the four accords, the fifth

accord and other books more. It's with us today today. About about the

difference of the love is the love of telenovela or the love

and in your book, in the masteria of the love, that for a second I

did you, a maestria in psychology spiritual here in Los Angeles and this was one of the books

that we studied as as a the, the, of the the masteria and it

was precious to have been to know, and you know, how is a relation

perfected? Because it's what we know, we know, we're we're, we're not

only with another not just with someone more. How is that relation perfect? Well, it's extremely simple. We're just

we're doing that we're only the middle of that relationship. And really, we don't we can't control the other half. In your

middle, if you use that love inconditional with you don't have that problem. And you can't have a relation

perfect with any one even with your perro. A relation with your perro, you

amas a your perro inconditional you know you're you're to get a

to come to get to etc. I'm doing to mind because when you do you

get to get into the house me he he's he's he's

he's only simply you don't do do you

do you but but the fact that the that you don't

mean you do you Uh-huh. No is the Okay, okay. So, the perro is perro.

Okay. And that's exactly what the perils are is perfect to that perr. No, you need to learn to be a perr.

It's a perr. Yes. We're like we're learning to be a human, when we're not when we're not when we're in

conditions. So that's a relation perfect, let's, between you and your perro. Mm-hmm. Or you and

your gato. Mm-hmm. It's perfect. The problem is when you start when you start a connection with other being a human.

The important in this relationship is that you are responsible of your midd and respect

the other half. So, before, to enter in the relation, it's

convenient that you see that you know, how is the other part of,

you know, you have to do you do you do you do, be you, be the

authentic and be exactly like you are and pretend to be not to be not to be accept, accept me as I'm like I'm

like I'm okay and you you're going to do you want to try to have to have that interaction,

let's try to to show the better that person will try to maybe to impressionart to, to try to pretend to

be what not is That is normal, because you're You're not going to And you're trying The person and you You want to Conquistarla or

Caerle well Then then You're trying to To get the Sure. So, even They're going to To say this

Their story To tell you What they're So if we We're What that person is saying Although that

I want to To tell you You're saying If you Pones that You're going to You're to do

of when is real or not real, when it's pretending, and when is authentic. So, in that this

relation, we can, if you can't or not of the way that that person is.

If it's Altanera, if is humilde, how he's a mecer or the mecerer?

Then, in this relationship, you're seeing how is that person. One of the

problems that we we have is that we're that our love is a

question classical. But no is the fact it's not a not a

change. For what is important that if you're going to choose to you know

what you think you know, you know, that's not a dissacquirtos that are

more more, um, factible that they're to be a a gusto

content So, then, then, well, you can, then you know, a relationship.

So, with a interaction, many things that not were started to start to

start a time, so every day will be a evaluation for you see you

are content or not you are not a relationship. So, a relation

should, a relationship, is the respect, the respect is

very important. Inclusive will be more important than the attraction physical, the respect. The respect more important

than the attraction physical. In the attraction physical, we're going to possess a person, we're going to do that

the love, et cetera, et cetera. Inclusive, making the love, you're going to get a question,

if that person to respect or not you respect. How you does it? For the alteration

that they have, so you do you, do you, so you, do you, so, does it,

so, So how that person will reactioning with you? Uh-huh. You're going to you're going to or not to be respecting. So, if,

if it's the limit of your respect, to cause a problem, or so, we'll say, we're going to, the, the,

the interaction that we're, going to be the respect to one has to one himself. Sure. All right. All right.

Of what happens to the person, you respect, as how you to respect to you're a little

or a little or a little more this will be going to a relation an relation exitosa

but if a person to fall to respect more of what you're you're you're

where that that relation will be to that's a little less than what you

do you do you you're going to be you're going to you don't you're but

When it's when you pass of that line is when you know you know when you're when

when it's a little that's a respect to that's a relation is a question of time just a

time just if you have self-estiming and you think you think you you're going to be a

so you then you're that's attracts to get to that's a victim attractive of

a victimario is attractive one for the other and every who, this,

they're satisfied in that's something. Now, is that something

to be used to people, especially to women, especially, to imagine that Jesus,

the Christ, you know, to propose matrimonial. Christ, Jesus, he propone matrimon,

okay. And you you're going to be going to you. Okay. The question,

you're prepared to be the spouse of Christ? Wow. Mm-hmm. because Christ

is what he has in his life, and not he will be to have to you. You're not

prepared to to have that that's a type of relation? Yes, he will continue in

his mission, he will go ahead going to the world exactly and going and making

miracles and predicating and sanating and sanando but it's a person a figure public that will be

going to be having so then you're six months to be a

to get with Jesus. How is how he's going to prepare. He has to

work in their own time. Sure. Yes, because if you know he's going to to work, keep at here.

Kept here in the house. Like, how you're getting a carpintero, and get to get to do you.

So, then, you know, so you're going to say, oh, yeah, and you're going. Sure. But not

not because not you know, exactly. No, because he is a man. No. Because he

is a more, then he's going to be who is. Exactly. No we can't change to the other

person. It's what you in your book, if you want to you do you do you, or for you do a cat or adopt a

other than that? Exactly. So, if one is prepared for that type of relation, the relation

will be perfect. Because any drama, whatever whatever thing that's not going to be the

because of Jesus. It's because you know that you know that you're that you

know. It's a very beautiful. I'm going to to cast out with Jesus. But in the practice,

well, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, I'm going to go to him in the desert during days and

a month, and if I'm, and if I'm, so I'm prepared for this type of you're doing, if you're if you're

never, et cetera, et cetera, not you're, so how time will be to live Jesus with this person before

that preening all. Sure. So, in, in this person, so, in

Pace the respect that Jesus has seen the same the relationship the same the relationship.

Yeah. So it's very important to be honest with me to know who I'm because much

people know who is. Cretes that you know I don't know honestly I didn't

I was until that I'm when I went to my country I'm

I'm I'm I'm to questioner all the I'm and I'm now I

know more to I'm more to make in Mexico because I

know with more objectivity But there are things that I'm this there are

some things that I have quite and there's things that me come here and have to be

and I'm and I know if I could say, if I could say with all honesty to who

I'm but when I was to know I'm not I'm I'm not I'm

and I'm was coming and I was coming that I thought that was not I'm

not for I and she and she and she to change, to one to to another

that's created all the other, that's created all of that exactly, and she should have to be here,

me would say, I'm saying, but not we're not we're a, a, one, a, one, a,

a, one, a relationship, is to be not trying to to try to to get a someone,

but to find a that, that is how you know, that is how you're, that's,

that those two, that your characteristics are to be celebrated that you're that's, that you

say, you're saying, Exactly. Not to try to change to the other person. Because the

trying to another person is a fault of respect. Ah, okay. There is where you say, because I'm

that you know I'm doing, even after the time, you can't you can't you can't because then,

even so sexual to say, you're going to be doing you in your sexuality. In the way of this compaginar and

both years to be able to do it, there's to do you also. Wow, what interesting. The mastery of

the love is a book precious. I'm very much you thank you. I'm just exactly that's just for me for the first book that

me opened the eyes in form so simple, so bella, of what was really the love. And I

thank you I'm sure of your question that you've written this book that is in

the millions of people in the world and that I recommend because it's precious.

It's something that's everyone should read it. All. And to be it. It would be a

little a book that would be a system educative. Exactly. No?

In manh of emotions because how many times we're in the school and not not they're

not they're not? Exactly. Of our emotions, of the marriage, of the

sexuality, of the money, of the money, we've been, we've got, chemistry,

biology, and I know how other things that are important but not are sufficient

and this is an education precious to the that you the

master of love. No, that is very important because, this is you know, you know, you're just to do you have to have to be in your own, you know, this is to be in your fault, this is to enjoy, really as to, how you're just trying to do what you're authentic and do it, so, so, if you're going to do

to do the love, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to create a work of art because it's art. So, it's like being an artiste and to talk, let's call, a violin or a piano. As a artist, we're going to, the woman to do the love is a piano. And he's

talking. It's a song for the same phone. But at the same time, you're the piano for her. She's a piano in you. And what what is a symphony. So, you're not only is going to be something that will get to

all the universe and will be into of us and it's a union incredible.

What a great example. What a beautiful? Because if I'm going to learn to to talk

an instrument no I want to want to a violin like I play the guitar.

I'm to have respect for the violin and I want to learn

exactly exactly let's let's you're going to play the

and you know so you know, well, well, but at the first, no,

what will be a not be a song, but with the practice, the result will be able to

be able to but because I'm very present and this is a piano, this is the guitar,

nor the piano, not because I was a time, and he was to talk about a ball

to the piano to be to get a a goal, I'm going to get to be with a

something, with something, to be a you know, to be, what you like, what you know, where does your good sound? And that's,

that's, that's, is, that's, is, really the same thing. So, so now, imagineate that you're going to talk, you're a master, you're, an artiste incredible, and you're going to talk a piano that's disaffinated. Sure. Okay. So, okay. What's going to be,

will be a, not too but you have, you're a great artist. So, so the important is that that's, that's the piano is that piano is, for, you know, but it's a lot of you. But is my

job to finar it? No. No. No, no, I don't know. No, no, no, no, your work. And that is an error of the ego, of the mind. So, oh, I'm going to arreggler this piano. So, you know, that you're going to do this person and you do something, and you do something that person no le gusts, because this

piano is not defecinated. So, it's going to be that type of actions and reactions that in a moment of a day, can't end up with a relation that way. Because the piano no is a little bit of it. Because the piano not is done to do that. So, but So, I mean, is it

not a list to be to get to Jesus. Sure. So, I need to use a piano

or a violin or an instrument that be ready to make that music and I have to be

responsible for to be to be able to be able. So you have to do a piano completely

affinated for that that is artist that is a way to do you to the perfection. And it's

my responsibility to find me. Exactly. How me affino

with a practice of conscience, of love, of responsibility. Of the love inconditional. And the,

and the chism me desafina. No, definitively. The celos me desafin. Exactly. The odio

and the juicios me desafin. So, artists, that at the time are pianos,

they're unen and the symphonies incredible. That bea a beautiful. Yeah, I want to go to the concert.

Miguel, much Thank you. It's a great pleasure like always. A great, great pleasure. You know,

much a lot of my cariesies. Amy Allen. All right. All right. I love. You know,

you know, we know, we're doing, we're doing, we're doing your books, and you're doing a new

book, right? If in that we're not, a book about the of the Voluntat.

The Voluntar. Okay. Well, I'm going to get to you know, I'm going to

talk to and then standing, well, there's four accords. And,

uh, me invitas when, when, the, the possible movie is the list.

The movie? We're, we're doing a project to do a movie, about my book

earlier, this, the art Tolteca of the life and the life of the so I'm

just, no, just it's never, I'm trying, but I'm a contract, but I'm

a little, it's that it's that time, a year, a year, a minute, no,

marvell, so, Well, you can't go back when you can't because we'll keep talking about. Yeah,

and more we're going to becino. So you have back back. You know, you know, you know, you know,

you're a man occupied, but I'm, you know, I'm going to go to say, to keep around and the

four accords and of the thing to do you want to do you want to be doing it. It's a very good.

Perfect. You're all my cario, all those who are all those who are listening and I

hope to be all of you all the question. Thank you. What honor to have

had done, Don't Michael Ruiz, what opportunity to learn I'm going to say, is that no

create a nothing, how he doesn't know that you do you know tautelow, puttel,

trattalo. It's what did Gandhi, Gandhi did say experiments with the truth, he'd

something that was something that they had a something that he had a

and he was he was he was and he was that it was

that No, it's not it's to believe, it's to know, and how I see, well,

then trying what we're doing what we proposed here. If I am to do me, without

conditions, I'm doing to love inconditional with you, and you will you will be

how can be your life for a it's a practice. It's a practice

that can do you do that can't do months for the rest of

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