El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 050: El Perdón y Tu Salud, con Clara Naum y Lizbeth Sánchez

Episode Date: April 30, 2017

Episode No. I'm going to something I'm when we're doing when we're when we're

we're not the pardoning is one of the claves or the life's the

person that the person is that's so that I'm that that person

has to do to give to give to give me

pardon? It has something has something that the

personal the pardon can't be a person? There's a intoxicers, not only

the body, but also our mind, our emotions, there's a kind of a desintoxication of the alma.

Well, those things we're going to explore today with Claire Naum, that is an expert, a coach, a coach

that's a coach that he has a and also he also he's in carcels of high security,

helping us to find to find out from the carceling, a woman marvellous that has

another another this book and a part of his life to do you to do you

and the work of the things to get to to be able to give, and also

Liz Bette Sanchez, director of Casa Plena at this center of personal in Tijuana,

to us I'm the good, thank you my time. Thank you, my time. Thank you

to be here again. Muchism for the invitation. And it's a good, a honor,

thank you, it's a For me, Liz, the honor is my and really with a time time that we're going to talk today. Very content, very happy to be with you. We've been a couple of weeks, the author of The Four Courses, the author of The Four Coursesion,

and the Maestria of the More of the Immonditional, that has been the moment, the episode most heard that we've seen. The people, the end up the theme of this confusion that there is the confusion that is the love and the true love, that is the inconditional, that no has the, the that has the requisitional, but the

pardon has a relation to the pardon has a relation direct with our state of our state of our health

physical, mental and emotional. I think that there's a confusion, as it's the love,

what is the love, the real the novela or the or the, or the who has

there's also a confusion very great in what is the person? Because a

sometimes the people and I think, and I was the pardon was to say ah,

then what it's just, it's a person violo a a little a child,

and if I know, it's a mean I'm sure, and that's the realverer pardon. What is the

pardon? Yeah, perfect a question, Marco, because we really have to start to the

base. The people sometimes say, no, I'm going to pardoner, because if I'm not

I'm going to all over all over and other form, it's not they're doing, if I'm

if I'm I'm going to do you're permitting and I'm in accord with something that really not I'm to agree with

or me have to reconcilial with someone with who no I'm more nothing to be or I'm

that person so that the is something is something the pardon not we do the person we do

the pardon we do we do we're we're doing we're not we're just a result of us to

give us to put us we're not we're we're not we're we're

exactly The love is an act of love proper. It's amor of me myself. I'm am I am so. I want to be happy that I'm not for the other

as well, but for the other, because I want to be happy, because I said at the principle, if I'm sorry is that I accept

what is going. No, but if accept what what happened. Totally. For sure. More well, what I was

what I'm saying is no me like, nor approve what happened. Exactly. No, approve what

exactly. And that's the difference. I think that's the confusion. The people think that's to pardoning is to approve what happened. And it's a little bit of what we talked in one of the podcasts anterior is about the acceptation. When we accept us, no means that we're saying that we're

tolerating. Accepting what is. No, we can't say that we're going to do. But we can't acceptor and take a decision different. We can't take a decision

that vinger of our emporonement internal and to be a regular the situation or

not with that person or directly to come in the way to be in not the

thing that that's doing that's doing that mental, at level emotional, and at

the confusion of the problem from this time that we talked about

in the episode that we about the where we we're saying the

we're the difference and accepter and accept and to approve so. Totally.

So, so totally. And totally different. So, I know, I approve the

war. No, I approve the Holocaust. No, I approve the matanzas and torture of animals.

No, I approve the traffic of the human. No, I approve of any other me say

infiel. No, I approve any of those things, but I'm pardoning those things

because pardoning not means to approve. Exactly. And not only that's not just,

not want to say, the part the eyes and say, this no me

It's no, no, no, I don't even I want to see what is what's happening, and for that I'm sorry, and that pass what happens. No. No, we're fortalece, and we're not totally decided to take action in function to the things that we're

in function, to do in pro, in instead of being in front of the things, but we're able to be that carg. Because, one something, imagineense, the person that was done,

like an example, the person that did any type of a treation, the other form, is living a lot of the heart of

you know, if you say you're to do you do you want to give a other of your things

favorite, a less that person has been many years of the time and I know what

the word pardon, you're going to say, no, no, he doesn't, to me

to do you know, to me to me to do because I know what does it

that's the thing you have a little bit, that you will be more you're not going to

get that carg. So, the important is think, pardoner, not is the

felpude of nobody. Pardonar not mean you're saying that they're not.

So, all the contrary. So that that's the confusion. That the people

sometimes think that that we're saying, to make the door to make the

more than you and all the contrary, the pardoner, no fortelels. And you

think I think that where's where that's the famous verse in the

Bible, where he says that Christ put it in the other mehia and that if you're Christian, then a follower of Christ,

then if you're a good guy, you have to put the car for that they're in another goal. Exactly. And that's,

and that's, it's not a attractive. No, it's so I'm a time with that with my

things personal, and one of the parts in my book that I included, that's what I said,

that's what I think, that's not you put a lot mehiel, not you're a case, I'm,

and say me what you want to do you do you do tapet me, do you do something do you guys

let me do you know, no, but no it's not me do you know, it's

exactly, it's like that what what you do the other people is of the other people

and that I'm going to change so that that's that's that's

that's it's but it doesn't that I'm to make to make or that

you are that we're we're we're going to let's we

in this little history of two monjes that are the river and they're prohibited?

To talk to a woman. To car to a woman. Prohibido. And then one of they say the

other, I'm going to crosser. Because if she let go to the other. But is that

we're not prohibited. To talk women, to talk, women. If you you're going to

cross, the woman and the, the cross the river. And the two cross

the other and the he's the other on the the time of the the way

he's saying the other monge, but is that what you have been in what you've got you're doing

to do you're you're doing this, and you're the cargast, he said, the, I'm going to the woman and I did in the

or the rio. You don't the cargaste, but you have been carried all the cargating all the question.

Exactly. And the and the that's suffering is that. But, but first first,

so, no, what, what you say is 100 relevant, only I want to clarify first

then, pardoning is a a key to be totally. Pardoning. Pardonar is a job to say.

Totally. Pardonar to who is going to say we offended. I'm offended. I'm excited. Me did you something.

I'm trying. Me, he was going to do it. He wrote a secret to that I said, he said,

he's what he said, he did you know in the job. I'm going to do you something.

Or something more more grave? Something more more to, like, he's,

he, a, matto me, a, a family for example, no,

more more than that. But then then who is the, the, the

the person, the who committed that offence under commies, or the the

courage? The the way is the more benefits. And there benefits secondary,

and collateral all all can be when one can when one does,

but all gets a process and as men humans, we're we're

We don't we feel offended, no we feel aggraved or we feel like we feel like for things that we've

done we've done we're doing it to the other so it's all you know a process and for

each one has been a time and not not is any well but it important

know that when we don't we're that we're that that that

that that we're not we're We have we, it's a life as a Comprimed. So, it's very difficult to be able to be felices with all that

cargaret into, with that odio, and a lot, in a few, a little bit of then. So, if we're happy,

it's important to pardoner, to learn to learn to, to let it. If we're going to get a little,

we're a more felicit. That's that's, to be to hear to hear the of the

Right. Exactly. And, a time to like the spectrum complete of the

pardon. Because we let us the human needs a montron of other things that

we can let us in the technique of how pardoner. But really it's a fact to cover all

to our mind, all entient how we can't get those ways, how we can

do that that is that of the and of that form to fortles to help us

but imagine and I'm going to think it's in a something that really is very,

very doloroso think where they're how they they're there are people who they're in the

stomach in the in the heart in the different things and they're

getting that they're going and they're living the life

that exactly the not pardoning it is a

car You limit You, it paralyza because, because, you're in the role

of victim. And the role of victim is a role very very dangerous, but very comod

for the brain. The ego, the human, we can't be able to because

if I'm in victim, I'm, I'm not, I'm not. To me, I'm not, I'm a

good, I'm a saint, I'm a man of God. I'm a person, if all the world

were like the world would be perfect, right? But I offended me

did you know. And so the Cerebrose in this, for example, the example of the example of the man who's

let's put a example more more than this moment, no, that's, that we're, to get us to get to

a much, a much, well, is that if we don't know, I'm not I'm not, I'm not, I'm talking to

me, he in me, in me, provok a much just so, then I'm, in me, I'm trying

in that I think the decision that I'm this is piscima for the planet entire, I don't you

yeah for the United States for the planet entire and the day of the day of the past the year of the past year

so far more so I'm living and I'm and my and my Cerebrough like I'm asked I'm

I'm going to I'm sorry but how is my mind so I'm addicted to something that me has something that

said don't she has yeah so it's what I said you know you takequila the first

the first the time you know you're talking you're you're not you're you're

you're just you're then biceice you Judging, and and suffering and suffering and is a

and that's the suffering that's the feeling that's about the and I'm in my case with

the man who cargo to the woman or the person that's me serrower in the

car and he and he's and he got you. There's but how you're

you're doing a form practical what you're doing because I do you do you

do you then it then it's an opportunity to continue to continue

to elevandons a level conscience. But what is the solution there? What is the solution?

Well, but, but, before, the solution, I would say, well, and why I'm

to get me this process? Why I'm, why I'm, why I'm, because I'm, why I'm happy,

and why I'm very happy and I'm very very happy. Well, I'm sure, clear, but I'm

so, I'm saying what my mind to say, I'm just doing, I'm just thinking that the that's

me serrough in the car, it's, it's, it's not and I'm I'm going to

go ahead. There's but for that the pardon no is something that's a question. It's something

that's something that's when you see the necessity of that this you know I'm going to

my just doing more. Jukes permanently to Donald Trump, no me

never. But at the most if I say I'm a car mental of that

I'm just going to do you want to be going to get to all the executive

orders that's doing but I do to be from a point of of a

positive and I am I feel like a point of a lot of the first thing that's the first thing

that's the first that's a way that's a change a radical in the level of the level of all right

I mean, I can't do you do this is 100% personal. Ace few months

before that's my mom and then he was my mom and took a thing

that took up my mind much more more than Donald Trump. Then I'm said, I'm very Mark and

I'm We're two possibilities. I'm going to suffer four years of to start just going to and having the heart of the stomagitis

for Donald Trump or I can't give this. Because, perhaps that are not four years, perhaps that are

eight. Well, we're going to get much to the pardon. We're going to let's say in

this instant. But you think you're not if you really, let's see, let's then to

the origin of the thing. because if really not us affecta if we're we're like we're what we're

what's going to what's going to be that's it's not it's all right for us it's not

it's not what we're we're going to we're going to we're going to we're not because we're in the

in the in the in the way is where we're in the that's the is the

part is that the pardon is one is one I'm I'm my time and you're pardoned and it's

it's it's no the reality is that we're going we're going to we're going to

we're going to we're going to to work to work over the pardon to be able to that's the last the

last time the last always there's always there's there's that we'll we'll be

to feel for sure affected not just all mannager and you get to the more

hand to when he gets a carro starts quite questionate because it

It's like a competition. All right. Someone's something. Someone's the clacksons,

it's something. It depends. Because it's because it starts to start

the things that we're going to not. Is that that's what you're saying,

Clara, is very important. What has resolved in the life is active. It's active.

It's a lotent and you're going to find with a million people like

Trump that they're going to remember hey, hey, work, work in

that you have to do you resolve. And the question that makes in my mind is because fregated

I'm going to work, I'm sure I'm sure. That's the vizio. Exactly. That's the

issue. But there's the theme of the conditions that we're saying, well, I'm going to pardoner if

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, if he does the same, I'm trying if she says that thing, I'm saying,

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'll per call, if he can't or she can't, or she'll or me

pere don't, and if no, that may they're they're That is the Pardon Conditional

And there is And when Receen We're just When Christo He said Amensse Those one's

And am to Your progimo How you You know to be And not I don't know I'm the point of Vista Religious

It's the leader Of the Conscience of Christ And when He said Amensse

To Amos to And am a Toh Amo You know to Odiens And

You Odiens to you Ande And if We We can we permit us to love,

the base is to be pardoning to us and pardoning to us. But where is the pardon with conditions?

The pardon with conditions, as we said or they said recently, well, that's only so if you

do you, and if you know, and the key, and the you're going to you're going to. So that's, that's, that's,

that's, that's, that's a, but it's a but it's a, but it's a time, and inclusive,

there, clinics that we'll we'll share now or in the next, of the person that even the

pardon conditional does it's a little more in pass. It's a passito. It's a

way to say, I can't go to go to the marathon, but at the better I'm to look at all the

everything. All right. All right. All right. So, we're not we do the pardon inconditional.

If we're we're experimented amor inconditional comes the hand, the pardon

unconditional. If you're not a way. So, so far. So, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Many people me say when I'm when I'm doing it's a level individual or in the

tachers of the time. And I say, well, but if I do you do you do this

what you want to do this? No. And that's the problem. And that's the thing.

And that's the thing. No, no, doesn't say that will be going to let's make the

he's the way to he's, he's he's, no. It's a way that God

in a form internal, empowered, I don't let him more to be able to my

heart, that I'm that I'm the action corresponding, and that's very important, that we know

that we have to conscientently to make the better to have the better and

and a sometimes is going to someone, a basis is separating to sometimes is

taking decisions different. But what type of decisions Tom, you take

you and think now, when it's in the place of the

other this to me I'm this, I'm do you do you

do you do you say, I'm not not so I much

I'm a victim but no I'm in the life

because the reality is that much we're in some

sometimes in our life victims the problem is when

we we've we got we we get I think that all the

people have the right to be the like the everyone. That is if you trycione, what you do,

but the other part has all the right to say, this is not this is for me. If I'm talking about

of the parishes, no, is that no has that has to be a bit of she has the right to do do you have

the right to say no, this no this is for me. To not participate. That's not. So,

and so So, for that I'm this is an act of an act or a act or a

act or a little or circumstances agenas to me. This is like to be. Pardonar.

It's amarm. And pardoner. And pardoner has a relation direct, the is a realtor has a

real relation direct with the love inconditional. Totally. Pardon inconditional. No, no.

Sin. No. No. And so. And so. And so is that It's so difficult

to be like, to be Christ because Christ is the incarnation of because it's the

consciousness Christy. And for so everyone can be alabar to to Christ or incarsed

front of Christ or say, I think in Christ but being Christ, but being in personal

sound precious. The episode I'm I'm a thing. But the reality is that is that

is in a problem unconditional no no no can there. There is there's the

there's the time. Because Christ the reality is the love inconditional but is the

other car. No there love inconditional without, and a no there.

And no mean, and not mean, and he's not. And not because he was a victim

was a devil. No. No. No. So, the moment more

more than the cross. They're they're they're so they're so. Pardonal us.

Pardonal us, Padre, they don't know what they're saying. I'm those words, I think,

in moments very difficult of my life, a level personal, and in many

occasions is when me center and I I'm going to I'm a good I'm a question and that I'm not for this but it's

pardonalos they're not they're doing what they're what they're that means every one does what can

what can't at a level to be at a level that's a level that's in this moment in other

other words what Christ did not is not they're not they're not know they're crucifical to a

this means no they're not know what this are you don't know who are they're themselves, no

they don't have no, they're exactly. If in that moment, if you know, imagineate. Let's have a

pause. A pauseita. Yeah, we're just claring the difference between the pardon inconditional

that has a relation direct with the love inconditional and the other pardon. It's a, well, it's

not the not a bad but it's like, no, you're doing, you're you're not,

you're but I'm you know, you know, but I'm because I'm better than you, you know,

that's the Like, as they're so much than, but if you if you're doing like, you know, you're going to you're going to.

You're a little. So, and you're more so. Or then you say, the words of the of the,

the, well, then, well, God, I don't know, and you've heard that,

that's, that, well, years and years after I was, when I was working

in part of my investigation for the book is, this no has, no, no,

you've been, you've done, the Well, when that was I was coming by the place here in

San Diego and taking my notes for my book and I did get and I'm that's not

no, that's not God and I'm and I'm God and I'm that's what

has the God and it's not just pardoning the person to not that's what

that's what I'm what I'm what I'm who that who's who

when don't when Don't M.R. When Don't M.R.R. If you like a movie or of telenovela, that's enoja,

and he's, pardon some things, I'm trying. Imagineate you. And then it's a confusion of who is God. Exactly.

Because God, because God, it's all over no, because no, because it's no, it's no way, you know,

you know, you're doing with all, and every different levels of consciousness, and all we go to this

way, but we'll know the time. We're in a pause. We'll continue with more,

we'll to talk about, we'll learn to pardoner or you know, you know, you know,

you can't know, or you can't learn to let me know, we'll get a pause. We're going

about the the, the, the pardon and the health physical, mental and emotional, and

the pardon as the power to the love unconditional, the no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, the love of God,

and of our love, we're we're not, we're to do we're saying

we're saying before we're a real of the issue, there's the reason that we're in

a word not a more unconditional, but it's conditional, as we're in the episode of

Don't Miguel Ruiz, then I'm saying, and I'm a phrase like,

no, there's that no God to do you do it, and some that's

that I'm that I'm that I'm that's but some that's one of the end of

all the people, and then they're that they're saying, oh, okay,

I'm not, how I'm going. No, the pardon is universal. It's something that depends of our decision and it's importantissimo to have been in account. Because

we're more, to be to God, to a power superior, to the spirit, there are to ask you to help for to have the force interior to do, but the other, but the no, so it's important because we'll markke us all. And they're

I'm going to bring us because there are various atheos that are there. There's all of them. All right. All right. All right. The pardon is You can't say. And we're saying, we're saying, we're saying

a lot of if we're made of image and semifance of God, we're not the capacity of that

that's a non- Mm-hmm. So, I think the same society or the world in that we've been

we've been not to do develop and not generate that love infinite and poweros.

But there's the clare what you we're we're saying, if we're we're we're made,

image and and semehance of God. And we're that God is a God that's a

no person, ah, then so I'm there's the problem. There's a problem. It's a

problem. It's a problem. There's a poem of Rumi that's certainly you know

that your time is not to find the love, but the barrenas

that we we've created around of the love. That's that more

unconditional. Repetel it's very good. This is divine. That's divine. Let's listen.

Perfect. Listen it. Our task not is our love. Our task is to find and discover

the barriers that we're we've created around the love. The love is that. That's

that's in our own our and that's that's not is part of the poem,

but I invite to that you want to those those obstacles, those

those pared that day a day we're we're our our our world

and that we can't be able to be being aware. When we're we're sitting there, all the world. The world is the celos,

the envy. And all the juries. All the juries. And pardoner is the bulldozer that will be like you,

like you. Exactly. So, like Ronald Reagan said, Mr. Gorvachov, that's that part of

when the time when was divided in two. That is. I have a parted between my true essence and the true God, or the

true love and I? Exactly. And that barrier, that's, that that's, that's, that's,

that's, that's, that's, because it's because it and the pardon. And the

pardon, no is a pildora, not that's nothing that it's not that not that's

not far, it's not it's not it, it's it's not our decision, the decision, of

our own and our formality, in our own time, but you you're about

the words, the of words very very very very very

about, the that's a decision, and that's they're not in

you. For that's they're very very very so.

But if you don't you're you're victim if you are the

poverty or the poor and I'm and I don't have

I'm so I don't so I'm also I'm made

I'm always that I don't that I don't I'm where

where where But it's a process. The important is to create. I would start. I would start. I would say, and at least this is the

job that I'm fascine to, is start. It's to start to create. There are some things that we're not the same moment,

but it's that affirmation that we're that we're saying, a little bit not is present, but that

power, I'm the fortality. I'm sorry. And there, exactly. I'm, I'm,

I'm feeling me and to at the maybe all it's a lineer

after but without not even without the process of each because

we're not we're not so I'm very very very rapid.

It's another form to and we get us and we get us

my aspirations is the conscience Christic is I want

to be being like it is so no no no

no well so well so you're because you

have you that's you is the pass. So, if I'm in the part aspirational where I, I feel like God is out of me, the love is out of me, the

solution is not out of me, the pardon is out of me, the freedom is to say, all that is it to say, all of that endro of me. Exactly, because if not always we're pursuing something, that's never we're in the other. And that's... And they're back to the other. Corrieing, corrieing, to, get to something more. Oh, no

I'm so sufficient, inclusive, the sufficiently spiritual or evolution, so I'm a little bit more. No, to know, know, that's a process

like, plant us we're a seeding a and the semissa will be a flower.

And every flower has a process. No, we're saying, Creece, you're to have to

do you. It's a process magical. No, we're we're we're doing

a water, we're we're getting, but that's the first step, accept that that's,

or start to understand to or to To have been like that's, and so it's like, for

many people, it's like, it's a idea and with the idea and the possibility of that that's a

important. And if I want to be a lot of a little bit to get and it's like a

little bit that you go and that you are and that you are gestating and that you,

of you, of the courage, of the, of, of, of, the,

of, in your course, is an energy a life that will be

growing. And then So, at the long of your life, a little you've used some the way,

and the people were you're in you're in you're in you're going to you're in then you're

and then the people, and then the people of the people of the people, that's the one or one?

To where your attention, va to your energy. That's basic, fundamental. You're to be a

thing, but to be the car, deten the car and observe, what energy is. In where

is that your attention? In where is your attention? I'm thinking in those things. In those who are in those who are in the people do you

do not, that I'm going to go to the car and all of the whole, they're to get to get to get back to it. It's important

but also it's important, not it's certain, valorizing the experiences that every person human had,

not certain, for able process them, and to be to be able to be that energy. Because as

you can't that energy of the odio, of the courage, it's an energy toxic that when

we're going to the time of the health, all that's not very that's not very

that's energy that we're there's there's a lot of exercises that we can

with the time to offer to those who who are who are on how elevate

that energy to be with more more more that's you can

learn to be able so totally so so so that

so I'm chismoso. Or it's been or you have passed. Or you have passed for

experience terribly because we have to think that there's much a lot in

the world and there many situations terribly traumatic and difficult. The

abandon of my father was very very dolorous and much years.

It was a time that was a time that was a time.

I think he was the he was the best he was that in some

moment his level of concience was that and it was in contra me, it's simply

that's derumbed the murro. There's exactly, derumbast the murro and a

one has more time or less time. For example, when you say, if you're

so I know, I'm a pardonator, me said the pardonator to chiquita

and always, nothing costable, me was totally natural. And I

know was very little, but of another other form is, I mean,

it's, I'm But the pardoning to me myself, that was part of the equation, that's all I learned with the time. That no we can't pardoner for complete if not we've forgiven to us

because if not, it's like to start with a house that's divided by the end, a luchy internal. So the pardoning complete includes the pardoning us to and pardoning the other. And if you can't learn, absolutely.

Absolutely that's able to learn. And if I know, pardoning to me, I don't pardoner to nobody. Because I could.

I could. I could. I was. I was. I was to me mean, but I was all the world.

It's like even I even thought it's like I'm always my mother, Clarita, it was very

pardonerer. And I said, Mom. And I said, but at the more what I said, what you

what's the person to the life. And I know my, and all the world me,

I sentia a grand compassion for the other human. And then when I began

to feel that profound compassion also also for me myself oh, the paris derribo

and it was an experience really really very linda how we can how we can

start to practice the pardon in our basic well the first that I

would is that think in what person or what situation they're

going to give and without imagine how you would see that's

if that What would you? What would you? What would you? What would have your life? So how would it? Imagine and see really at a level physical, because it's a level physical.

And when the people have passed by traumas that, like, like, are so much, are terriblyly dolorosos, they're in the

body. And the person is a enferma also. Because we've talked, and I've heard a promosysious

programs of your, Marko, that, a, through the health, of the

health, of desintoxicars the detox but what you're going with the detox of the

heart then the pardon us will help to dox mental and

emotional and that and so I invite to start to start that and the

first not much I'm not much I'm but simply think how would

my my life so I can't my life my life if I

see my life I'm no This, no, this. No, this, no I'm not quite. That's too. Pardoner all, but that is imperdonable. So, that part,

they can, for what? What is what I att to this? And evidently, that's a process more long, but with that are the first passes. Identificate? Identificing. What a dolor? Exactly.

Yes. And how I'm so. And, and, look, and see, and really, and they're really, they're in the in the body, in the shoulders, in those lads, and the whole they're going to do you know, it's obligation, it's simply

decision of you if you want to do you, they'll go back in the story anterior, but they're in the space and they're paring, so what happens if I'd

say, what I'm saying? Who I'm going to? Who am I, who am I, who are detained, you? To have detainee, you have, you, no, you've been or has

created to do a voyage and not you have done it. What would be in my life if I would have this

a dollar into my no, if I'd be I'm who would be who would I'm saying.

And you'd and get in all the and you're and you're and you and you that's a

exercise is precious because it's like you're like a little a little a little

space exactly and they they're and they're the desintoxication exactly

and it's the desintoxication. This is the detox of the alma. The most important of all. For me it's the detox of the alma. There are many studies, many issues. I'm working with many

executives, too, with people into the carcels, or with my clients. No, it's important, the cargo that they're, or how years are put those, or the cargo social, or the money that has, in the fund, all the world

has a little bit of something that needs to get to. So the stress is totally related to all those those those enoches, all those

that we have there are many many people, there are many people who are they're doing what they have to take what they

have to take what they're they're not in exercise but they're they're having that the the problem,

of the and really they tenden to have more problems of health and of the

heart specifically that the people that are not doing all the other part, but that

has a life more in peace, more in calm. Totally. So if, if not do you do because they're pardoning that person, do you know for you themselves, to be more healthable, to feel more in peace, and then those invite you that they're doing to dox

of the alma, emotional and mental. That's the key, because when we're nothered with someone, the ultimate that we're going is to do something. If you're just in that level, felicitities.

You'll give you a brazo and you're going to to talk to oblige, ombris with Christ because you are very

advanced. But normally when we think that we're doing that something, the less that we're doing

a good that person. And there's the clave. The time. The pardon is to benefit to the other

person. Absolutely. The pardon is to benefit to you. And so like when you docks

a detox of food, and you have to eat, meat, tocin, homones, and things

processed. And you start, and you get to do you libera the energy in your body and, of

you know, you discover that you have more energy to do more things. It's what you know what's the way.

Exactly. The system immunological is totally affected. There are clinics and well, there's a

lot of studies. No. So, after the pause. Yes. In what they're

demonstrating this? Okay. We'll talk about scientifically how you can help

the person. Because the pardon is, has this relation direct with

the health. The pardon and the health. We continue after this pause. We're going to talk about this

podcast, talking of this formula, the pardon like a desintoxication for the but the pardon and the

health. How is related to the health and the pardon directly? There are like an analysis has done.

He's done a study scientific about the meditation and the food, also about the

totally. And, well, I'm going to learn the studies of my

book, so I'll say I'm the same, but before I'm saying, we're saying,

I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm sure, perceiv I'm think I'm imagine, but there's a proof scientific,

proofscientific of that this does make sure. Before to learn this I'm sure, that much times have heard

of the people, oh, I'm sorry, so I'm dole the stomach, no, you know,

not you, not you, not you, nervous and has a heart. So, that

relation between something and something that's something that's a little

because of the person, the rancor is a toxic, is a toxic that we get him

into and for the and it and it's and it and it and it's I'm

doing, I'm doing a a drink to a matter, you know?

Totally. You're are the Exactly. Exactly. There's a Cita that says, that is like to have, that's the attribute

to the Buddha, that is, the enojo is like to have a new thing, a bad, with the intention to throwersel

to another. Who's the who has a the peter? The pyrra. To the the caratitis, the esophagitis,

the irritation, the insomni, totally. And at the least, he can't not to you. He doesn't.

He doesn't. He went. It's went with the other and live a life Felice. They don't

know that you exist. And you do you see you know that you're in that you're in your own work that

does that your life and all the experience of your life with that's you know, then the pardon is to get to

that the piece. It's a piece. I like that that's a little bit of the word of

the word of the word detox, desintoxication is the art is the art is the art to hear

a little, a little more felicit. They're going to do much. The life.

And it's a process. Totally. So, like I'm doing the example of the gymnasium.

We've used much the example in this podcast. I'm going to do my gymnasio every day.

Or every time. That's a me, I'm to do you put it is the GPS that

the person to the world. The system of navigation. So, I'm like that so

so that's so that's that. I'm, I love to say it and it's what

is what it is the world of the heart and really when they're

at the gymnasio, practice in a mucco no, but not they're in a day.

No, repite, repeat, repit. This is a practice. There's a practice. There's a practice. There's a

practice of the muscle of the pardon. The pardon is part of my practice spiritual.

Exactly. For me is the way, it's the part of particularly it's really.

It's true. With one one of my client is that's a

little that's that that we've to we've got to change the word. I've got to

just say just to say pardon it's alterable so we're the problem of what you do you associate

and then we we're also we're trying other forms so there's no there no way a form specific

and we can't make the time but we we're all we're this this is

this this is this this is this this is a great this is a great the book

the that's a beautiful Hermosissimo. It's of the Mejores That's of it.

Totally. There you see clearly how it is. In basis to the work, the work

is all the carcel and it's a wonderful. It's a great. If you're read that the book,

we're going to put in the Markontorion orgil.com we have a section of book. We're recommended

for that those be all there there we want to put to that they can put to

that they can buy that they're that's in the notas. Perfect. So, Leo, that I want to that there's

a studio of Johns Hoppings Medicine that's called the your health depends of the

pardon. Your health your point. Your point. So, and that

totally. And it says, and it says, that the causes of the

the noho, of the insatisfaction permanent for problems that we have done

and that we've pardoned influence directly in our pressure arterial, in the rhythm of our heart, and in how responde our system immunological. Exactly

how respond to our system immunological. So when I'm enojured, inchoicing, with courage, and without going to get, and me do everything, it's more easy to me infirm. Totally. Totally. Totally. Absolutely. So, 100%. These conditions

augmenting the risk of depression of problems of heart, of diabetes and of other conditions. Of diabetes

also? For the adrenaline and for all the cortisones. Wow. Absolutely. So imagine the combination.

If I live eating food chattara that's the case of much people I live eating well

and apart I'm chismeating and jusgando and ojohn the diabetes I have double

double reason for the way can be a diabetes? Totally. Totally. Double.

So well Well, it's that's a lack of because the sugar you get to other things

and then it's part of it. And the pardon you help totally to calm the level of stress.

When calmas the level of stress that helps to have to have a good time.

In two months I'm going to start doing a time that's the pardon and

the so even in that because when we're we're fomentam more

addictions our our to help those other things

that are mal adentroo. That's what said Don Miguel Ruiz, that creates

an addiction to calm another addiction. Exactly. To calm other addiction. And you know, what is the

problem? That's when we're doing we're doing, pergwence. Bochorn. No, we're not

we're doing. We don't do that. And we want to, we want to we know, we know,

we're not what's the question. And what is what happens when we we've got the

question. Doble juice. It's the the worst of the So we're more We're more

We're more Proclives to to get us or to make whatever other thing that not for our well,

in the that's that's a addiction. And that is the that's the that we're

that we're and incredibly the pardon helps to let us that's another

other another study that's that's because the pardon not the pharmacy, it's a

decision. The pardon is a decision. It's a decision. because I want to be a style of

It's a style of It's a style of It's a style of For me It's a style of Living a A life Perdonator

Lejos to Beid a victim Because it's very pardonator As a lot It's a It's a Empoderation

That not It's not It's a Because When I When I'm I'm It's because

I'm I'm in I'm Why I'm For the Other Sometimes we We can't

We can't We can't We can't We can't with us we're going to we're seeing,

how is it? Like, how is it? When I'm I'm going to get to be this car in front. And I'm

not, I'm not I'm not really, no, I'm going to do a activist

to work for something that's a that's a thing that I'm going to do that. For

suppose. I'm going to that's in all. I'm the the suffering.

The suffering. Because the the dolor is part of the The pain of the life. Totally.

The pain of the life. The suffering is the pain when when we summed the the story

that I'm going to the character. So the the dolor is part of the life and the suffering is optional.

So, that is the problem. Because the suffering comes of the story that I'm

talking about what the in the suffering in the victim enter the enter the

mentierro, the daga, the the story that me the story that me

exactly Exactly. So, one is that it's a thing is to a lot of a car.

So, and I'm put a little bit of because me too and it's not the

story that I'm going to about that person and about the person, that's what I think the suffering.

When we can't make the the pain. The life is very important to recognize

that it's one of the process of to be one of the process, to be able to the

other people that say, no, no, it's not, it's all right, and they're all right. For really really functional in the

life, that's there's a question. There's a question, well, this this man, this woman,

that's a living in the man, it's going to it's not, we're going to talk about, it's the

episode basic of the pardon. Yes, but for example, you're talking that's

about that if you're in the person who someone has a child. many, but there's

many people are there are much as people who are thinking, well, but is that you are saying

that you're that's about, that's about, that's even an infidelity even, but what how do

more, much more more serious? How I'm going to that person? But it's part of the

practice, not because obviously, if I don't say, I don't give his telephone,

I was a person, I don't know to do the person to that someone that's that I'm

not what is what the thing, and, And, well, this is for another opportunity. But this end of the end of the prison, in the carcels.

In this case, Homs. And all, in this case, women, and other, passed on situations extremely difficult, and they also damaged, and they also, so, something that's also, that I want to clarify

here, that's, that's a lot more we think, the people think that if we're done that we'll do, we'll do it, or not is responsible for their

or if I do not I'm sorry, I'm not to be my from, from the odious, from the con,

that we're going to and we're going to go back on the same. But to get to get a level that said Liz, Bette,

to be able to get to pardoner that me made to someone, that they robbed something, that me, they're going to

my kids, I've got to the father of the kids, well, legally, he's got to me,

he's got to me to my little. For sure. For sure. To get a to get to that to

get to that level, is all a process to develop. Of you, I what I know

there, to me what I'm what I think here what I want to share this the life is the life there's

there's there's in the life that for the reason human for the

mind human not you have you're to get much more

to get to your part human refug in your

essence that is only the only spirit refug there

and to have the certain that all more

more more more great is very and hard is very difficult,

it's very difficult, but who can't live a life a life plan, has to have a

problem as a great as the whole people can live, because every kind of every different

way. If you can't learn, if you can learn to when you the decision,

the fortaleigh, the sort of the you're doing what you don't know

you're to do you practice of the pardon. I mean, I'm going to learn to learn to

I'm going to do you know, I'm going to start a question, I'm going to be a person who sometimes, when

it's in the middle of the suffering, in the middle of what is very difficult. There's one of the

one of the cases of that, for example, well, we've been we've said to forget

or no and not we're there's, but there a example of a periodist

but terminal but, but yeah, there there's an example of a a journalist

that was sequestered in Somalia and I included in one of the examples of the book

and was sequestrated and was tortured and was used when when it's when it's

the they're they're I'm dole the the body to the

I mean I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm so 15 months

15 months imagine imagine of his captors and he passed on all the

type of atrocities in a conversation that was published and she said that when I felt that

he had more had more more he was the most he was the most of

the most that was growing in her the old the the

the other the so for so for maintaining

mental in that he decided that every days, for one

hour, I elizco I'll choose the power, I'll choose the word, I'll mean,

that no signify that that's that I'm that I'm going to get to be to do.

And that's what he did, for that's with much many treatments and

muchism things, and we don't not even nothing of all the

help, but in the moment that the pardon was what he did

that pillar, that that's a help to say, I'm going to say, I'm more than this, it was more a lot of your

mind. It's the soul, the soul, the soul is the soul is the the soul pardoner, because

yeah no way there's more no more no way. How she could acceder that was during a

hour continued and imagine she's a meditation. That she she had to same because in

the conditions that were no could do do anything. And I said, I elijo the pass, I elizue the

love, I'll choose the pardon. If in that case it can't, imagine it's that

that's the how can you know, no, no, the mind, the mind not can't the problem

is that when we try we to understand that's the problem, because I do it,

how me did it, how me did how me well, well, that's another thing,

but it's how can make to make decision. The mind it's the figure out. It's a a lot of, it's a logic. A logic.

A logic. That's a sense. But if we decide if we're going to hear, without necessity to understand, a few times we're to understand, we're going to do, oh, it was for this, or for that, but

of that way we're justifying. But if it's a pass, but if it's a much more potent, much more empoderator and the way no to get it

no, no, it's no, no, no, because you're going to know, I'm going to do you know, I'm going to

I'm going to say, I'm so I'm not, I know, I'm, I know, because he never, never was present or

because I got to my mom really, I'm really, but no I can't understand, but I can't but I'm sorry,

exactly, exactly, and it's more, and you can't you can't you can't even you can't you're much,

and I'm exactly, Exactly. Now I do. Now I feel I'm. Now I'm going. There's.

Because it because it comes from because it's because simply I'm like, what's the

thing? What's the having been to have lived and expressed his humanity how they expressed?

So, the lack of that form. Because all this type of things,

what is expressing is a lack of love. Totally. And what said

Martin Luther King. No the can't the odio, no

can not can't get to the obscurity, no it can't

take with more occuridate or with more odious, only with the love. So, the love,

the pardon, us do that that light that can filter all and does that a partura.

And what you said, Marko, recently a example of a great your own

your own your own, and much people say, pardon signify to forget? No.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. There are many there are many people. Oh, no,

no. No, I'm I'm sure that. The those etches were the there's a

but you don't you cause a no it's another thing. There's a there's a memory

but I'll know but I'm there's that's that's what is Celia Cruz

in a song that no it's I mean or you or something and say

the song and says the pardon is it is able without

without without what what what what so so

so so this, I don't me never to do this because of the I'm going to not I'll

forgets. That type of that's different. So, no, there's no, but for the people,

if it has to go to do it for that you for that, but if you're record an action

of someone that you did a and you don't know to get, they're to come,

to be, to have done it. But there can't say there's there's there.

Lisbett, Lisbeth, but I listen there, listen you, there capes.

There are episodes. And there are episodes that can't have 100 or millions of because of that's a

treatment. Absolutely. And we know when, when, when really we're really we're doing,

I don't see if you're all the but every every time that you know, that's all

that's that's not, well, the obviously that you know,

the way, you know, but I'm just about we're just we're on the episode of 50 of

about 3, we know, You know, when you're going to when you're going to when you're going to when you're going to when this woman

when this woman, that was what I said I used, I'll elizio the I'll eliz-the-law. I'll eliz-the-law. I'll elizabeth. The peace, elizabeth, elizabeth,

elizabeth, el-al-permanently, I elizabeth, so, I'll elizabeth. So, revived. So, yeah. Because she could have been able to looka. Totally.

So, could have have intended suicide in the media, imagine to start 15 months, I'm imagine

I'm going to I'm going to like they're doing this. So imagine imagineate, imagineate, that you have

violated for months, imagine it and tomorrow they're back. And tomorrow they're they're

the only way to get to get to get and then that's going to do you know that's the

other way when he said when they did you know what was their was their same,

and synchronization in the love. Yes. As a as a as a man that was a

human, that was in the moment, he said too, he said the way of the form to say love. My form of course, is, Father,

pardonal us don't know what they're doing a man who he's doing a manoe that point. So,

let us separate us. So she was saying, Christ. Oh, oh, for support,

for support. Exactly. At the saying, Father, pardonalos, no, know what they

are, it was a not a actually, it was a thing was going to be

that that I put the Pirel when when I when I'm going to But what

that's for that for that for that for that she said she's the the

the dolor probably more horrible physical, mental and emotional that was

living in your life, was a point of a love and a

more and a not we don't know we don't know we not know

she would be going to how she she was she And this

suceded in the 2008 and he was sequestered in Somalia for 15 months. And she

said that every that was that were that were so many some old odes

of the fear, and fear of desperation that all the everything was going

to be passing he was to start so that she was that from

the moment the moment that the moment of the abusators she

decided to have that mantra. She elizabeth. She said, she, I elixed the liberty, I elizabeth, I elizabeth, I elizabeth, I'll ask,

one and other once, one and other way, as, as much for one hour of a day, until that he was always

to feel that his body was in calm. So, those I invite, really,

to all those who are listening, that, are going for one of these situations,

for what I see that they're going to think, what is what they think they're

in what they're in the decision is you know, the mantra they'll do you

imagine as we just in the exercise earlier that's imagine imagine

what I would that's I'm that's accept but not

not to be so I'm in this woman that's being

getting a person that's and I think in other many women

like your mom and like many other that are with a family with a

woman that abuser physically and of them has the decision to

this this woman there there and but those

others that are living in this moment a type of violence

as like this woman that was pardoned but you

have to take action that is very important. This is

as a key like fundamental. Pardonar to do not not to make action. At the contrary. It's not

but pardoning. But pardoner to do the force and you do more intelligence to to be able to get to

absolutely. To be even to even to change the traffic of the people of the world and we want to

we need to we're more more more intelligence to change it from a place and the power.

Totally. The who we love us the animals and we don't love the

torture for the person and we can't change the things, we're doing this because of the

time, we're more more efficiency and more effectively. An example that was in the university of

Kordoba in Argentina was it was, look, they're in those who are people, so there's a

lot of people, and as much they're in contra the aborto that they're going and

they're in the public in the mind that's that's not that's right. That's that's eye

for o'clock Diente for Diente of the Veygo Testament. Exactly. It's the vengeance.

It's not, no, I like what you do is, you dovet or something if you're not, the pardon and for that it gets clear, it helps totally to liberate, to feelers,

to feel more in peace, more felices, and from that decision more health for you, to you. At level mental, a level emotional,

and at level health, remember, and this for the next, help to eliminate and prevent the cancer. Help to prevent

and eliminate the cancer. And we'll do we're going second part of this episode of the problem, the

pardon and the health. I'm I'm quite with something that also subrallia Lisbett

is that the time the episode that we're going to pardoning to someone who me view

in the car to be or a guy or me who's who made to a person,

is a not a episode, no it's, oh, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's been done in rebaneditas, for you know, so one percent. If it's available, to be it,

to be able, a little, a little, a little, oh, is that, you know, pardoned, no, pardoned a

question, and you can't you're going, you're going, and you're going to be, this is an edifico'

enormous, how I'm to pardoning this so that's so you know

you'll never you'll start but if you start with a book

with a little with a exercise with a exercise of your and you

and with patience there's there have to decision and there

there there there I do I do you do you

my website or my site and they can take and there

there's there can help to help I'm I'm

am so I'm am so I'm So, it's in the first chapter of

the book, but it's there to make it, see you, and think, and analyze them. Marivouso. What is your website

for? It's claranauun.com. Claranauun. Yeah, and Facebook is Claranam Consulting. There is there's also.

And we're to put all the notes in Mark Antonioorrejil.com Diagonal 050, which is the number of the episode. It's a

little bit the book of Claranau and then we'll do the The second part of the pardon because it's a

time that just I'm just a penance of but thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Take the decision to pardoner.

It's an act of love to you myself. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Marko and

thanks for for being for being for us. We're thank you. We're doing us we're all

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