El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 058: Todos merecemos una segunda oportunidad

Episode Date: June 25, 2017

Episode 58. The podcast of Mark Antonio Regil is a production of RGL Entertainment and all his rights are reserved. Welcome to the podcast of Mark Antonio Regil. All we december a second opportunity. Of really, no, we need us? I'm trying to me myself with compassion and with love and me do two opportunities.

Or me juzgo as a judge is implacable and without generosity, without, without love, without compassion, and I think about my time in

a carcel mental, the rest of my life. I'm a second opportunity. You know, we're doing,

we're supposed all over what we're doing. Today we're to explore this theme, this theme that we can

open the heart and the possibilities to advance and grow together. Claran Ahum with a

master in psychology spiritual that has years and years of your life to

to do conferences, to write books, to work with clients in businesses, resolving problems in great businesses

at a level personal, even working with presos in carcels of health security, teaching them to find the

peace in your person, she is author also of the book, The Pardon as a

way, Hello, Clara, welcome. Hello, Mark, how is many thanks.

Content of that you're of the I've been we've been metying us in a line

very beautiful that the people have got much about about about the the time

to give us a second opportunity that is a thing that came very natural

because the last the episode we were talking that the that's that's

more faredes and when we're we're not we're just just a second opportunity

absolutely a beautiful thing and in reality I'm totally thank

of being here with you, with your audience, and really all the things that

are the podcast for that one could be and in definitive to have a

second opportunity in the time, it's what we're what we're that we're

the clave is in this thing of me me mereser. I'm I'm meresco

a second opportunity because part of what comes with a callida we've

called a because we we're relationamos and we put images like of maratonists that's caen and things but it's like a

tropeas it's a question, it's a difficulty when I'm a little bit of a relation or I'm a

whatever thing of this is a kind of a way metaphorical but when when I do a second opportunity

I don't I can't give the second opportunity I'm I'm absolutely

perfect I think there's the there's the thing that's that's a other

form, all the people are those people we're doing that you're you're in

you're in you're in it's a very important or it can be a little but what

important is how we we're we're what we we're what we're we're

the point it can't you're a problem a something something something

something that's another form we're definitely and it's absolutely and the

part of the the angustia that we can't work what we or that we have done many of options

every one of us have experienced that we've experienced that one or other that's a caire. I'm, you know, that's in a way, it's not, in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in years, I'm going to happen, you know, I'm going to be able to do, has, well, a

sometimes is form a family, to have a child, curers for into, back to get to be in

many things, to have that amount, the capacity or quality of life that we're doing,

the paris, the love, all, all that can be a cause of a a angustia,

a depression, is in our ourselves and we're the time is how we're

that we're, in the podcast podcast anterior you've you're with some

questions how to how to do you to get a thing is a time is,

a bit of we use all the type of techniques if our we're

we're we're we're because we did something because we we're

we're we're we're we're we're we're because we're

we're so we we're we're we're because it a juice, no, when

fall you in something, and I'm in the mind, my cerebral, my ego, normally me, I'm,

I'm, very malo, because you're that's not so, that's not you're done, you have done

to have done to do the things more than that then I'm, I'm, I remember much of my mom,

no, I think the thing, I was to in some podcast anterior where she

said, that she, her, her vocation was a religious in the church

Catholic, I'd want to be a man, then she, they're and they they're

they're they're they're they're they're for other reasons, not because they're

not because they're their reasons this time for other podcast. But she they're they're

in that her a vocation, not? A little one of 16, 17 years that

says, my vocation is to give my life to Jesus, to Christ in the

church at the church, I'm they're going to the convento, and even that's not she was the

she's she not the case she's the case this mission, establish a an auto-jurious

that says he failed to God, and never he never did to repeat that's, it was my

point of my point of repeat, I'm, I've said, I'm a God, he failed to God,

he failed to God, and then he's his pen, right, because is a judge,

well, you know, you're this is this is going to be your penitence

no? So, she she's she said, I don't I don't I'm going to be able to be

exactly And it's what she I'm saying. That's the problem that a lot of times we think about many things but not necessarily we need to

think we're all what we're but if we want that etiquette I'm culpable I'm and I'm

and I'm and I'm and I'm and we're we're going to that God is to do we're

we're doing to us we're so I so I'm so I'm coming for the

life, Sintyndo and represent that that's in all what I have tried

to my life, I'm failed in a water and if I'm

I'm I think I don't I'm not I know I don't a good

relationship I'm not not necessarily not necessarily not I'm I'm not sure

I'm I'm not sure I'm not I'm so I think that's

so that's what I'm And that is the experience of life that I'm going to to have. For that's

so important to discover what is what it's what it's what to be able or not mercer.

Because in reality, to the eyes of God, we're we're more than what we have done

what we're even for those atheos. So, no, for more that I think,

I, the eyes, all the people, we're one, two, three,

all the opportunities that that we're to make a to make what we're to make a way to get and then

I'm saying specifically that there's a difference in opportunity to me myself or opportunity to other

things. So, a ver, like, trying to to divide and to get

to be playing the sebollating. Yes. Merecer. For I to be like

I'm like I know that we're simply profound with the episode

that we've we've we've got where the the theme is the the time is you're going to

and get you're going to get a second opportunity but if I think I'm not I'm never

never to give me a second opportunity because I think I found I was the

penitencia to live without without money without without that's

my castigue if I'm put into in my in my mind not at

level conscientient but at the level inconsient is that

met that that never I'm opportunity, because in the fund, I think, no, me I'm a meresco, I'm a castigue. Exactly.

I'm a autocastig. And it's a process normal of human, the judgearse, but it's a process. So, then, then, then we don't know, to make and take actions corrective. Because when

we're going to learn, no, it's just, you know, what I'm doing? What is the action corrective that I'm going to to take if what I want to

do is to get to get a a good or have

a respond in best to react or to

make a so there an action correct but

if not we don't we don't we we

don't we we we we're we we're we

so so so so important to live in

that caida, give us the compassion or to find the help in that we're not using it

as a mullet and as justificative for that nothing is that's not going to do you

that we don't me I'm I'm and the same form if me

my myself and I say I'm you know you know you

that's that's much in the paris somebody somebody someone

commit an a a terror, a traition, a mentira. So, is yeah, and this

I see much as clients, too, you know you know the opportunity. So, that's different.

Ah, it's, it's complex because, then if I think, a very part,

correctem if I'm sorry, it would like, to give me count, if I'm

talking, if I'm listening, because then then I listen to them, I'm

listen, I'm, I'm, I'm Yeah, too. You have passed. All the time.

I'm going, wow, it's that's true. That's what that said, that's what I'm that you know. Orom.

A lot of this me happens to say, I'm going to, oh, yeah, I'm sure. Because I'm doing what I'm saying, right?

They say, that we're going to learn what we need to learn. So, no is a casuality that we're

because we're students, too, all the time. Until the time. So, so, for

so, so, so, if I I'm, in the fund, in the , because I think

I'm to fally to God to me myself, to the life, I did something

that's a terrible that I'm a really, the first part of I'm

what I'm think, what would the question that I'm the

most that I costed I my time was to try

to reason this thing to mom you don't

you don't you tell you I'm so this this

conversation was a real miss mother you me

You know, that God is all-powerous, that God all of the God, that God is all right. If God would have been a monk, or religious, it would have been. It would have been. So, it's like that you felled. This is like what you took to live, and if not would have, if you not, you would have,

if you had to be, then I would have to exist. So, at a moment, I'd have to be there. So, yeah, my hitho, my amor, my God, you'd have to be, you know, you'd have to be a reason, and you'd have a reason, God's it. God, if I would have been a man, I would have been

a woman, it would have been so, so I'm suretimore, I'd have taken, but three days after, I'm and then there'd the d'alligmas, and it was the discorraged, I was going to, I'm

doing, and critiquing to my mom. Simply me dolea in my heart and I did know that I don't that I'd know how you

know what you did say, Marko, I'm trying, I'm saying, I'm saying, to have to accept that one can't give

and to talk to the other and say to the people that one but you have to

accept that one crese when it comes when he gets, when he gets I can't

explain to someone I can't try to but I'm to accept that they go to

their own process in their own timeing in their totally totally

I don't I'm I'm can't do I can't I can't I can't

do do all possible but at the last moment they are the

they're going to how they're going to that's so so in that you know

you know you're you know and you know but where it was in the

mind not no and what it never never no

never that's that's that's the thing when you get

the that you know it's knowledge so so

in the that we to the heart all the everything we're all the we're in

when we we've beence we're when we're we've we've been with us and we're

we've made click there's there's there's and maybe one of the things that

you're to make a mom and is assuming but don't Miguel said

don't don't Bill Louis yes to Michael but but at

what she she was that she was that was she was that was that had

made of her myself for not having given to have done

her life to be she's, she said, she said, she accepted all the but not

she had a lot of the other and it's also, we're to put us in the context, we can't

put it in the zapats of that person because I know I'm I'm not I'm trying, today, in 2017, I've been Amigas and Amigos, and this is

a critic of any religion, simply I'm saying what I know what, what I know. When they're these vocations, no is a call to, no is that a person, an orientator, you say, look in your heart, and sient, you know, if you want to dedicate him, consagrearer your life, to God, they're saying, what I've never understood, you, they're saying that, there's a, there are, there places, no I'm going to say, in where, but

there are places where, even you say, I'm a card for you. I've heard this story. That they're saying, I'm a car to say,

God, God, I'm the card to do the card that I'm, and I'm and he's, I'm,

I'm sure you know, I'm, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, you are you

are in a card where literally, you're saying that God, you know, and that's

that you're a call to that you're you're not you're not so I'm so I'm my mom, and

what was the idea of being a idea of being in the form of recluter

people go much times the because of the question not really of a question really of a

question I'm nobody's Marko Antonio, I'm a car to do you not a card of television or if you know,

does it's a podcast, me is you're trying you're trying to you're not you're trying because

is what they're those, those communications and they are like they're in a line direct to

like you you don't have you you know the I'm not I'm sure you I can't talk to

you're You can't talk with him. I don't tell you. I'm going to the same

venting a full-suposal. And so he met you to a little a little bit of his sub-consiente in her inconscient

that if she not see that she'd know a no, I know, he failed to do you

know, that's a place, you have made, I've made, made, some of the questions,

you're not suspicies in, where they're the reason, and I think that's what was

what he was the All these callos, the auto-jamados that are that are not from

the other, we're in the subconscious are you are in the life, and are the they're in the

city of the conductor. And we know we are we not so that we're so.

So, so to manage the auto, or the car in that we we're in

the caro in the name is the name is the name the person. The card

the We describe us for us ourselves. So when gets that that's that's

that's we're in that's that's not for any reason more than really

being in peace for us and living the that we're what we're we're

from what we're because when it's there's because when it doesn't there's a lot of

a because we we're doing this is what this is what I'm what I'm or not

I'm doing how I'm doing as how he has been and there is part of the

human but also when we're going to we're getting in conscience, is

to give that the culpas and not to have culp not mean to be

responsible this for favor that that is very important

to take responsibility and we're in what we have

in how we can to get out in where we need we need to

take action corrective how we use the pardon in all this

because the pardon is always in all the things. It's like the

water and you know you know and it doesn't but it's the

process. So, second and again again and how we're

doing this the second opportunity we we're we're a

second opportunity a third a quarter. A We have we done what we have

done. Totally. It's a the thing more horrible of the world. Merecement a second

opportunity. Yes. And you work as, we're going to make a pause and when we go back we

let me talk about because Clara, it's years, 10 years you've been doing this,

10 years with presos in carceles of high security here in the United with people who

has done that has done that many times a certain perpetua or 20, 40,

40 years of carcel and Clara has dedicated a great part of their time to enter to these carceles

that's I recognize the value of to enter to the carceles to sender to these people and

to work to them and they're that they're they're doing a little and they're

having to their their because in the world physical there's there

they're they're paying a condo but you you're

you you understand to come pardoners and give a second opportunity have done

what they've done. So, we'll get us. I'm Mark Antonio Regil, we're going to podcast,

Clara Naum, Coach of Vida is with us in this episode where we're we're doing how we're a second

opportunity, even if I'm a person in the carcelotam even, how is this? But in person

to ask you, but I'm to ask you, but you're the only you do you do you do you're doing

you're doing But why you dedica a part of your time and why? You do you? You know, to do you? When do you get to the carcel when you go, at least to see, I'll see this people? Well, I don't know. The same question,

me asked in my house, many years ago, when I was, and I had seen a documental that came to, it was presented in the university, that both have gone, and I felt something

my own and I said, when I saw those cars, when I saw those rosters, and they were incerrads, not only only what I perceived,

the prison physical, but the prison psychica, I have to be there. I don't know how I'm going

to do, but I'm going to do you have to do that a instrument that can't get to be a little to

the society, to those people who are there's a anxiety internal, but I sentia a little

me, that I was not dudable. It's a call, that's a vocation that is what

you explained in the segment anterior? Yes. And in my son, my son, my mom,

in that moment that I'm my mom, especially I'm because with a lot of your help to do you

because you going to get to get to your time? You have to four days, via you you're doing,

you're doing to get to all this people. And my mom, very Catholic, very with

the religion, and I said Mama, it's what me taught you. There is,

Jesus, not that's, Jesus, not that's, so, it was my explanation for her,

for that me understand, no, but I'm up, but I said,

well, if it's what you want, and I really, I really, I,

I, didn't know, I, didn't fear, I was more to all

all over, and never I'll forget, the first day that I was

going to pass for all the the controls that you pass in the first time was a carcel

the first of the first in Chauchila passing fresh no and the is the desert in the middle

yeah yeah exactly in the middle of the and I sentia the sensation never had

put a place in a carcel and I see the the arms the guards and I

think about this is I'm I'm with other group of volunteers

that we're going to go to go to go to go to go to

the gymnasio and I was inexplicable, a sensation of peace and what

I think is the sensation of an non-conditional. Entree and I gave, we

we're doing a time the time, the time is teaching all the different

of communication, the same the same the psychology spiritual applied

in this day to help to help that they have a second opportunity in

the life, to be a to be better to to be productive and of that

form to help to help the family and to help give the second opportunity. Not that the

system legal those liberate. Totally. Thank you. Thanks for to do that question.

Because the Papa Juan Pablo Second, when he was attacked in his moment,

he visited exactly. He went to visit to the carcel, to his aggressor

the person he intended to do, he said his presence a mon inconditional, but no

did, let's let's let's let's the way. So it's very

important, we're decisions, those decisions have consequences. A sometimes that the

consequences implies that people have to do you that's totally the system legal.

But the carceles not is a place to castigar even more to be more to

give them to give us under under my criteria, is a place where

are privates of the liberty and that could

learn to learn to learn that's that for a reason

or other not they're not they're not that then that

they are that and that and to one or other form

no there no other to be that that service

and as you're for me is the same

the the work I do with a Even with a

prisoner in the carcel that has been two days or 25 years the work

that I do my work with my officeina or when do I do you do you

do things for the same passion are the same the same the same things

because you're seeing to be a thing that's the that's the that's the exactly

exactly what you're exactly I'm my memory now that now you know

that you know in my book I'm many stories, stories of

an man exceptional, that I've got a secret for 50 years,

of his abuse, being a child, of an a survivor of the

holocaust, of a prison with the I was I was a 23

years, that was in the carcel and had been people, of all, of one

or other form, even I'm all of other form we're

looking in the life another opportunity and other opportunity to be happy to find us to find us

to feel more more and if I remember a a site of the poet

Rumi that could try to try to try to try

but when I do I I'm I I'm

I'm I'm I would try to describe the love. But when I do experiment, I'm going to without a word. Sure, because you experiment is in the

heart. In the heart. And I'm a point of the essence. So, if you had to define in

many words, what is my experience, I'm in the carcels, and even with all my clients,

but in this ambit that is so so difficult, is that I have an experience, a first experience of what is the

love inconditional and to be the essence of the human is to be able to be sent out front of someone

absolutely without no judge with the intention of the intention of the instrument that can

bring her things that can make their so much when you are sitting at an assessino or front a

narcotrafficante or front of a sequestrador, you know this is a sequestrador, this is an assassin, this is

a violator, this is a ladron, no. You're seeing a Miguel or Carmen or Manuel, that's a man who is

the same thing is the love and he committed errors, he's or he's or he's in

this world physical, but you're concentrating to your essence not in the crime

that they absolutely and for favor, that that's very in clear for all the

audience and for all the because many times in some other in some they're they're

you're, but how? You're you're not. No, no, no. No, no.

No, it's my function. No, it's my function, just that the people that are

all the times, of those these years, the I'm going and the prison of

the women, I don't let's, but we don't know the time before before

four years and the experiences have been really absolutely in

no absolutely in but I'm doing the essence because for condone you're going to

you're just absolutely very good point Mark is the it's the same to say you

to say you you're just you're just just going to and this imagine you're in the carceling. Imagineate of what

you're doing a time to give them to give us you're very malo, exactly and not

mean I mean you say that not bring things that you make a lot of the type of

things, or for the type of things that you know, which is an exercise

in being one present and is so it's so far the the yeah,

and I feel that is like it's a bell, and that

fire and it and other yams, other yams, and the

effect is a effect dominow because not there in that

person the idea that it has to have

the energy of peace to create to create peace to create peace not we can create peace from the

peace the peace we're we're we're so if we're we're

we're in the places where no there's where no there's where there there's

there's to start the change to be to find to further the system is

really difficult and specifically in the United and And I've

some statistics that's the United is the country that the country that's the

people are the for the for a bit of and the majority yeah, is the major that's the

most of two million 200,000 and it's the country that has the majority yeah,

I think the 80, 90% are afroamerican and latinos exactly that's another thing, that's another

thing, but moving to the time, but going to you're to go to

not to just to of what would be to get to to get to a judge to get a a judge

and that's a lot of you're going to you're going to and sanar. Absolutely. And sanar is reconnected

with their heart and that they're not they're a second opportunity that they're there in the

life, they're they're in them. So you can't be to the carceling and also

encarceled in your things or you're to be to be in the carceling

and you're not a part of to be to be self

pardon. Absolutely. And to help to others in the way, because not we'll forget us that a percentage altissive will be be liberated in some moment. A 90% will be liberated in some moment.

And how will be exactly? Exactly. All those those people are the that in some moment are going to work with you, they're going to find out in the car. So, if you know

they're not siened that is a veratherer cause, a lot the cause of the cause of a society

is a cause excellent. Because you know how it costs? Muchisim

money. 80 billion a year. 80 million dollars a year? Wow. Exactly.

In the English, billion, 80 billion in Spanish million. Exactly. The world a little

different. But in Mexico, the carceles, after where I remember,

no see still they're so, but they say it's so, that means

center of redaptation social. So the number official not is carcel.

It's Cerezo Blah, blah, blah, so it's a center of readaptation social. So in

the case, not is a place to be to be a way to be they're to be able to and they're

like you do you're letigasos and they can't a little no, no, you

go to be a theory, in theory, you're, you're, you're to you're, you're,

you're to adaptate socially for that you, when you when you you're not you're not

you're a carcel, you're not how many cars are the contrary, are like schools of violence.

The majority. So, they're going and they're they're doing things more horrible, of those that's

that they're going to get to get back to get back more resented, more resented, more enoched, and this

not they're not even to them, and to the society, when someone when someone makes this things,

how easy to make it to do you know to make in a home young of a thing of

not perfect, but with a mom amorosa, with a family, with his problems, but with love, with peace.

So if I would have been born in a barrio where all the world where I would be able I would be a leader of that because I would

have been not been probably. So who was I, who had a life more privileged

than I put me to just to put me to and in instead of them, and then

give us a more more than exactly. Exactly. And the reality is that the

the great majority comes of places of extreme violence of problems traumatic

have passed for all and I don't I think that all that's a just a just

not the human people are not not but there but there there's a

percentage altiss so there there's the thing is the there is a

great is a kind of is to be much to me to be able

to be there into many days and then then I'm going to

get to my life, and knowing of the other people, knowing

that I'm not my sapos, to be compassion and being the time

and be able, I'm offering all the things for that these human

so contacten with their essence and that form can

transform in certain in certain and the carcel

and all that you all this you're doing has much

to be with all we're a second opportunity. Because, we're doing, if you're

in the carcels and we're committed a crime and we don't we don't we're justifying, we're justifying,

we're doing to sanar. If who who's in a carcel that's a crime grave, it merce

to be to see a same same more than that not say, that's the system legal,

it's a second opportunity to not create more more more violence

and more in his self and so I I'm also, I I'm

also, I that I have the privilege, the marvellousa fortune, of being in a world of living in a world, of a time in a in a time of the history

or in a place where no there's clavitude. Well, if there are, but, there's, but not the light of the day, not in the street, not it's the

normal. If I have the privilege, not that I'm going to be able to be a carcel mental. Like my mom, when he said,

no, I'm saying, you're culpable, you're fall after God. Then then, then, no merces to be

I'm happy and I'm a sabotage the carcel of my mom and many people and I'm

doing it in other in other situations I'm in my carcel mental.

Totally. And the carcel mental is still more difficult because they get to all the

others. One of them said, Clara, when when I don't want

I don't want I'm never the carcel out of I'm

sure. I'm want to do things different to things different to what

I did and I person is of Mexico, no? And he was, he'd have been been deported

in these the last time that I've been been in the carcel and now now with the new laws, in the moment

that's allier, it was deported to get me and I'm saying, you know what I'm, I'm going to

get all this that I've got to my country, I'm going to do this, all this these things,

during all these years, that you've been been done your time, you've been used,

me has I'd leave a cartas, and me I'd pay to support in how I said, this is,

this is to this is this is this is if I'm going to I'm going and I'm

I'm going to the carcel there's a lot of something that's you know, and so much people know how people. I'm not I'm living in what

carcels, what are the limitations that I'm to make me that I'm impede in a life in all the

area. Carsel physical and carcel mental. There are two types of carceles. Totally. In what

that we're going to be a carcelcelian too. Because we live we're atados of the drama

that we've so that's one or other form, as you know, all that carcernal,

the things, we're provoked emotions. So, we're being managed

for the emotions. So the history that I'm going about my life is a carcel.

It's a carcel. Depend to what I'm going to exactly. It's exactly.

So, if we're going to tell a story, why not we don't we're

not we we can't get the story, of that we can't come up in the area

that we say we we're that we we're more more than of the

things that we have done or no. And no we don't mean we're to correct and take an action different, or can't make cominous different,

to do what we do we're doing, but for that we need a determination, patience, and perseverance. And fundamentally is to go into us and see, ver,

where are those paredes, what are the limits? What is what is? And, for example, of one of these persons that you comment about that's the

story that is it's, it's, it's, it's, because the pardon us does it

really, and the and the question. Totally. What is this the wall is this

the key? The key is the pardon? The key is the pardon. Okay, we're to make a

pause and when we get back we're going to work, how function the pardon, how I can give me that

second opportunity? And in the practice in the the last minutes of the podcast, we're going to to dedicate us to

okay, yeah I'm I'm sure my mind, I'm not the I'm still doing my heart is the first step

but how I'm doing that's the keys, activate those the keys, how are they're perfect. In the few words.

In many words. In many words. Well, but after me go on a pause and we go ahead of a podcast, Clara

Naum, author of the book, The Pardon as the story to the freedom and the freedom of

Amazon, is with us today of this theme so we're we're going to

we're supposed to we're going to we're there's a carcels physical and there carcels mental and sentences

mental and people more to the more me most of me those but I'm I'm the who's

the person I'm the same I'm not my mom my papa the tele the church

to the people who me have done the the the society the carcelario the

judge the juror the guard of the carcel the the reja the

Barreles, I am I the same I'm the person mental paying a pen of suffering

and the sabotage. Because, if I don't medesco be able to sabotage my relations affective,

I'm sabotage my work, I'm sabotage my money, I'm not not sure, but then I have a

system that is sabotage and that will be to do you not going to be a specific, I

don't want to have a good job, or I not to be a good job, or I not going to

The key to the The key to The key for example The Laws The Pardon to the Cermine to the

Liberation and the Felicidad because the truth that is always always to the hand with

the pardon. It's very difficult to get to feel and feel if we have to hear

the things that they're not here the problem is that much people

that the So that someone v. Exactly. Oh, that I know a woman

that can't get to get to get to the exactly. Exactly. Or that you cut the people.

But it's auto-imposed and it doesn't even the sierra. Because when they're coming with the

sierra, if we've taken the decision conscientious of the we're going to get to

let's get to be to get a little, or chikito or chiquita I'm to do you

want, I'm here I'm here I'm ready, I'm here I'm sorry, we're going to to grow. But if I don't

I'm ready. I'm going to always something that it's a to be able to when someone when I'm

going to get a love. If I think in the front of the money, I'm going to get a

great to get a love and me try to that's a perfect. That's for your exactly, exactly. Exactly what you

want to say, what you have to make you, Mark, we're all over, that's a thermostato in some little bit of going to

the next. we have, we have, we know a numberit and we know we do a

permission to where we get us and it's conditioned for all the stories that we've been

we've got and that we're in that's related to what you just to you're

not that you not I'm do the permission to really to really

to really really is very difficult so nobody you can be able to be

a child I know I know a chick and me enamored I'm sure

I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm I'm sure I'm sure of your my eyes

of his eyes of the voice of the little and I'm she'll be going to

she'll be the first every month every day every every time every we get a

relationship and then again we get over a flotet all all the all the

I'm not the because that person no has the power to liberate to live

I have created in my Absolutely. And for more that after this podcast, then you have a list enormous of all those that they're going to

want to want to liberate. No, they can. Nobody can. Nobody can. Nobody can. So, what is that one

is that one sometimes in the other people, something that one feels that you feel that.

And the theme is a perception. No, we can't do us do we do, and there is we

see, to share with that person, but when you the job, the job, the job,

the what is, the example very simple. It's an auto-predon. The

key is the pardon. Well, but is that it has all the variations, no,

right? It's important, as we talk about the other way, to be a human,

we'll all the pardon. But the auto-purdon is that give us to get

the the questions that are under our. When it's when it

does, it's when we have been given conscience and we have been

responsible without self-responsibility, the auto-pardon no function. Autosresponsibility means that I'm going to

to have to keep to the things that's that my and my soled and my infelisidated or a

lack of of money. Totally. In few words, because that really the autoporon,

there are many people, and many people, me said, I never I've said of this,

never I've heard that you, I'm, he said, I'm a or barbarities, and if autopardones, you're all ready?

No. What he wants to say, the autopurdon, function, as an aspirator comic that we're limp, and we can't and clear,

to bring light to the obscurity that we're in that moment, when we don't know how we're not responsible of the actions that we've

committed, and we've decided, What is what we we're to be now in

the so when we've done that's so I'm can't

I'm to start to pardoning not of the action if

the the just I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

and I know what I'm what's what is this how is this

you're we're all over we're we're we're we're we're

we're like Johnny that is in the story I said, Clara.

Of your book? Yes. Clarra. Why, why you not look like the

monster that's? It was a person. A person. We're sitting at front.

I said, you don't know I'm saying, I'm a monster. I'm I'm a

manned my promise I'm a monster. No I'm don't meresco the

pardon, no meres that you me look like me because me looks

you, I'm I'm I'm not I'm doing what you did you

what I is your is your sense life at last he said,

no, I'm how I'm going to I'm I'm saying Johnny,

you know you and I'm much much times but I don't I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm back to the then

then then so that a process and a very

that is despic with you you're you're doing a

time you you think you you as a monster, your

life will to have to that's a way, you're to think that's

a monster. Obviously, not you are not you're doing the jusies, and you're

doing the you just to you think to you think you think, so in

that moment something, something something, I was in the time, and then

that was in the moment, and of Spanish, that his language natal, and the process

we did in Spanish, that was much more profound for him. And all does it a process.

And because not is justificing. For example, this person, no, that'sicino someone,

the thing, when we were the same last time of the last time, what was

what was, well, what was that person, supponing that I were, he would,

well, what happened, is that what I'm that's what happened, that's what

So it's that I'm a monster. No, that's not what was what happened. That is the juicy that's doing over what you exactly. And in that moment you can't have seen as a monster. And so, he's been 23 years that you're in the carcline. Imagineate that you're too. Then you can't

start to say, the desperation, he had passed all the type of abuses and what determined this is an attack of celos, cremending that he per die the love that had. And this is not justification for But they're not, but are stories.

Autopernartonart. Or pardoning, no is justificate. No, it's saying that's good that you did. No. No, for nothing. Because that's not responsibility. And you're talking to responsibility. Responsibility, that is respond with ability.

Sure. Ser capable of respond. So, he no put to responder with capacity in that moment. Sintio celos. And no could respond. No, pudo. No put respond. all what

what was what was in your mind in his moment in his heart was being

being a other way I'm again I'm like I'm like I'm like you the love of

the other and then more he said and all what I've lived here back into

living here not not even but I'm a monster so so

so with the so so he's to to get

that that I'm I'm a monster The reality is, assassinate a someone, the reality is

I'm going to a condo, I'm in the carcel, now the the jury is, I'm a monster. Exactly.

And if you are a monster, imagineate, Marco. No, well, imagine it you know,

in your front. I'm a monster, and I'm a man in the carche is a monster.

How you do you do you're how you're a person? Well, a monster no,

a monster no no no time a monster merce, a Mosere does, no

see, that they're in a cellarer and be in a cellar and that they're that they're that they're

that they're that they're that they're a monster a monster Merees all the castiow

exactly and that's what he was experimenting so when he said to get that you

that we're talking about in minutes but it was a process long he said

he said what you what you do you what you you're what you you're

to do what you're all that sensation, if in instead of thinking that you're a monster,

what is what really is? And he romp you know, I said, I always ever had

to be different. I always I think that my life was a different. And I

am a person that I'm a other, that I want to help you want to

who don't live in what I want, I'd want to give you, I'm

I'm can't do but I'm want, and I want, be a being a

a man that try a more to come in and give the hand to give you I'm going to tell you to

the other opportunity that's here can't be able to be better or can't help?

I said I said yeah you can't you can't and I am you

I'm the can't but the you're you then then you you

what you can't do you can't do you is to change

the rotulo. To get him. Quar me that tiquette of I'm a monster. Absolutely.

So, and what are you? I'm like, I'm not I'm going to say, no I'm going to look at the

eyes. And I'm you're saying, do it's you know all the nights and we do you.

We did exercise. What is what you're? I'm am a compasive that

committed many many errors, that I repented, that I I'm sorry, he's

a card that he had done many times even even to even to her novi, that she

no existia, and he took the decision of what type of man he was in that he was he was in

he was in one of the last, in one of the last the last the last time, I said, you know, I can't

go to go to the duchas and not have the I'm I'm going to get to the

duches and I'm I'm I'm no, and I know the monster, it's,

it's, and I'm the man, and I'm sub-vidas, but I know that I'm a certain a certain

and not that's what we're doing to help us and to us and to all the other to make us a society more

that we can experimenter pass that we can't experimenter love and all the change comes and that's

a very rehabilitation rehabilitation rehabilitation of the heart spiritual and social

that's at the final of the concept that in Mexico of center of rehabilitation social.

So, so is what really needs to the people that's a person, that's

a second opportunity that's not a time, I'm not, you know, it's,

I'm doing, like, the fact, the, the end of the use, it's not

condonando what I did, and it starts me, of what I did,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a monster, is a question, committed

a error very grave, is the reality, I'm I'm not I'm I'm trying to commit a

error but I'm a monster, I'm a a person perverse I'm not not a realtor, what is really is that you did something that's a

that's a lot of that we're doing the that we're in the carse but I'm a monster is another now many people that are in the carcett are

they're not in a carcels because they're saying I'm a monster no no valgo no valgo the sufficient

I'm a so you're a exactly I've fracques I montones of

many times and never I'm going and never going to get and how I'm going to do you

and see I'm in my mind the space and so that's that carcel permanent

those I'm I'm think what is the etiquette that

they're when it's and and then that that's that is the

question that is the question what we're what we're if I'm something

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And I'm All that is what I want to radiar in the world. How can I give that light to all what I do? So, once we're

in that conscience, it's different. So I'm a respiration profound, imagine see,

to you see, to you know, having a second, third, a quarter opportunity,

the that's that does not do you define for the past, no,

not they don't for the for the the loss, the abandon, the the perg, the abuse,

what has succeeded in those lives. Definance for the love that are. And then

in the the action that they want to make, to make, to do that they're doing, let's,

we've not I'm my body, no I'm my my job, no I'm

the money that I'm the bank, but I'm my errors. Exactly.

And also I'm not Because as because, as generally the mind

tient tiente tend to go to the negative our the

brain of the the thing is to be to the negative

when there something like much success much a much

fame so well no me to define for the

negative and this is another problem also I'm

I think I do for the exit I do

and exactly for the woman her beautiful that I'm my wife

spectacular or for the children or for the children, no. I'm not my success. No, I'm my fracos

no I'm my life, no I'm my youth, no so, that's, no, that's, no,

I'm not, I'm my discapacity physical, nor the cancer that I'm, no,

I'm not of that's, and when we're fundamentally to enter in that conscience,

that is that we live, we've, we've been we're important is to be

going to where we know we know we're not we're not we're not we're not the

things good or not the soceden so we're so we're a

that's like a container something that something a container a container a thank

a much more great that the and the and the thing that barca

all over and that and that we're that's we're always

I'm always I'm open with everyone because I think the only way in

that we're in this creation of the person that's an case of this person that says I'm a character

not has been a character that there's not I'm saying I'm going with an etiquette that I'm

mentally that but I don't I'm living in my heart and I'm still I'm

still still I'm sorry that is I'm a I'm a I'm because I'm

I've commented, I've commented on in the social, I've my life, I know I've

done to do at the level at this level at the point, I'm my mom not so you know,

and while I'm a little, well, and I'm doing a my mom, well,

I'm going, and now that's that's a little, I'm not able to get that that's

who I'm and in my mind, I'm, I'm just, I'm more than I'm more than

I'm more , but I'm in my heart I'm feeling, no, I'm

really, I don't know I'm sure and I'm going to a tristess very profound that's

not only the thing that's that's to say, for what I'm doing, what I'm what I'm

so, who I'm who's that, without, without that that I'm going to

me, who I'm saying, my mom, if I'm doing my mom, I'm I'm self

I'm with an etiquette that said, I'm I'm a boy, or I'm

a boy or I'm a I'm responsible. But, but at quit me

that the person, who I'm encarceled. And I think I'm perfectly

that's, that I'm that's a role in the life, that was a role very very

very, but I'm would say to say my my question, I'm

not, in this moment, in my question, I, this, this next this level,

to say, I'm, I'm a, I'm a person, and, I'm,

and no that I'm not I'm I'm I'm sure you know you know you know

you know you and in a moment of my life I'm defined as my mom of

yeah I'm am a mom my mom my my my only my

is a is a exceptional and in a moment seba me said mom

you do you do so things things things good for the world

you have done you have done so you have all all what

you have in your heart to the other. You know only you're not

only are the mother and you know, and I'm a young my

my little my little. And I see, I'm so, and I'm so,

I'm, I'm, but I'm my mom, and God me made to

your mom and God he's to make for much things so so.

And so I don't know, it, but it's like I'm like I

love the mom that love, the mom And, of another form, I had many

roles and know you know how much and how much me gets, all the your all your

things, all your your heart, and what you say, it's all what I'm in the case,

but not here. So, those, that are 18 inches, right,

pulgads that are 18 inches between the brain, exactly. Exactly. So,

so, sometimes, they're a bit, a time, the moment that gets, yeah,

but it, uh, a the roles lindos that us

auto-impos we're a lot of it's more difficult to get because it's something

eroico as a little no I want to get to get the

reality is that is a more Marko is transform

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because in reality a very a very not is only the is what is what

is the that when someone when someone so that's that you

say you say you you know you you have your people you have

your people you do you do you do you do you do you

know you know you know but not is that role of

his so it's to so that process of that you're

the role of that was a beautiful of what you've done and that's that's

going to and that and that that's that's that more with and love

and acceptandol acceptand so there's there's an ambulance so

so I'm so I'm sitting already I'm I'm I'm for that

I'm that's a carcels that's a cause of I'm a carcel. I'm a not a child I'm sorry.

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thank you a process and you know, the obvious, is saying, if I have an tiquet of a

monster, I'm a person, but for other side, I'm a put an particular

super positive. That's a thing to do the momas, no? If they're the kids, who are

not the that's why I'm just, For example, for me, it was like a seven-in-leven, like a seven-in-law, and for seven,

all the time. But it's, I know that what I have in the heart and my capacity to add, and go to the different

to the different stages of my but in a moment, it's just what is the maximum that I can't

make a to give to give a idea the to give us to give us to give the life,

but I think I'm the role. But what you say is the first question. question, is

it's it's it's it's a it's a no, no, no it's

but what is the fact, but what is the fact is like you think it's what you do we

do you know what? Apreend that I'm more of an other other option

there's the thing. And that's the thing, it's how we can transform that in if I'm

I'm I'm I'm No, me another option. It's that no I can't another option

because I don't play. Because my mom yeah, so I'm not I'm going to be the good he's not

the good boy that's a little an impugone the back on and go on me. See, it's a

perfect. And we'll let's the essence of role. Uh-huh. What was

the essence? That was what you did you when it was love when it was love of

love. Amor. Amor. What more? What's, protection. Protection. What's,

honestly, I sentia that he was salvando. I was his red,

I was a red of protection, I was his his that's the point. That's the

thing. Is the the sensation of the yeah, and you know to say, is the

only man my my, my my father never me never made my

my two maris one me he didn't me he had been

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I'm a Superhero Totally And the And the And the And the people And the

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I'm a So I'm They're They're That's like That's And it's And for

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what you You're Because that you Because that Util I'm Very Uty There's

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mission that I I was obtaining. So I felt like my life had

a sense. Absolutely. So that's the sense and it's real, it's really, it's really

absolutely exitoso doing it. Totally. So, apart to to thank you to be the essence of

all the you know, how can you can transformer on all what you're doing?

Because I think I what I what I think you think you you're the same

that you're doing with all the things you're you do you do. It's what I'm trying to

do. It's what you're doing this podcast and what I'm I don't know I don't know how I'm not so I'm not so

for me to be apart I feel my mom vivable because she was also I'm talking about in public and her and she's I feel in me

and I'm and I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure so I'm so much people that much

I'm I'm doing it like to share how does it's how does it's how does it's how does it's something is

it's all it's all for all all. I mean to say it. Exactly. Because

of a form we're going to transform and that that's a problem, well, the concept of

vulnerability, that we can get to if you're for your moment, but the vulnerability is from the

force interior. That is the perfect vulnerability. So, and many people, I think it and a

very vulnerable, I'm met to into, because I want to say, but no,

when we're vulnerable offering our heart from our people from a

place not only for others but we're not for us because at we're saying

we're saying but I'm doing that function so that that essence that

that's that that's I'm I'm that you you're that you

concentrate in the sense in in reemocar my mission totally

totally that you have I've done I'm so so I

so so that that that that that essence is a present.

Yeah. It's present. And for more that no give the name of your

mom, that we know the name of Irma, then then it's the name

of the world. So, that's essence is that and the and the

and the pain, because the pain is the part of the person that

we're the that we're the problem terrible of having

had per the part that is the function Marko the Superheroe Marko

the Salvador So, I'm I'm I'm defined like that And that's And so it's

But not I'm No I'm No, I'm No, I'm No, my condition of My condition of

My No, I'm And so is very difficult Is that Is I'm The I'm No I'm

The husband, no I'm No. I'm the No same But I But a But I

But I But I'm It's the And that's the key, to liberate. Exactly. To give me

that second opportunity that in this moment I'm not a time. Because it's a process

instantaneous. No. That's a job of me myself for having I'm sorry

for having created that I'm that I'm my own about me that I'm that the idea.

That the what the only that was the life. Or that my value. That my

mission as my issue. And at the salvation you know that's

one of the things more uh, I don't I mean I mean I'm going to

say difficult because it's like like it's like that I'm doing I'm sorry I'm saying it's saying okay, in this moment

I'm going to the role of that I'm to save a world, of that I'm a other person but I'm

but I'm sure. Thank you the time we're going to continue this theme. All we're

we're supposed a second opportunity The key is the love is to have to be the joy of the joyous. And it's more than a piety is like to be pelando, it's like

various ports that we're having to go over and the more we're going to go to a little a cell that's little more more grand, until that one day we'll find

the door that the door that the open, the world, absolutely. And while we're the onion, the sebolea

sometimes it's very much. Much. Much. And it's great. Thank you. And Clara.

See a Clara Nauma in Reads Social In Instagram Clarnau And in Facebook Clarnaum Consulting Yes, and in my website is the test

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