El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 070: Mitos y verdades sobre la comida orgánica con el Chef Miguel Bautista

Episode Date: September 17, 2017

Los productos que conocemos como orgánicos ¿son verdaderamente orgánicos y vale la pena comprarlos? El Chef Miguel Bautista experto en comida saludable y creador de los restaurantes Vegan Planet nos enseña la gran diferencia entre lo que dicen las etiquetas y la realidad de los productos que encontramos en los supermercados. Además nos da consejos valiosos para comprar mejores alimentos y ahorrar dinero.

Episode 70 The podcast of Mark Antonio Regil is a production of RGL Entertainment and all his rights are reserved welcome to

the podcast of Marko Antonio from from from the Hermoo we're doing this episode of the podcast with my

dearer friend Michael Bautista creator and fundator of vegan planet one of my restaurantes veganos

in Mexico welcome my dearer Michael so a rato so we're we're right we're not

we're all all right I saludos. Yes, I've seen a Rath, not? That's a

time. A year ago, I'm talking going to grab a podcast because you're working on much but we're going this time

pendient. We know what of the problems that most we say the people that people are the thing

that if you eat food of the car, no? That's always the thing that's not the thing or if it

is pure market or technic, that's can't eat organic, that can't eat organic,

not all the people can buy all their dispenser organic. And you, not only you know

for your experience as a person in your food, in your house, but you

because you're two restaurants, one in Cancun and other in Mexico, and you are a fanatic

of the food of quality. So, you're an expert. If something, if something,

if you have to be a chef, a new of a restaurant, is to buy a every day.

So, so, so I'm to talk about to start. What are the myths and realities

about the food that you an an super it's organic? Well, there are many

there's in the United well, even in in parts of the world, the logos like the

like the the text the text that's, the , that's a organic,

not necessarily have to be a 100 organic. They've them have clausions there's

there's a five, a seven, a 12% of pesticides and of others of clor or other things

that they put to the things that the thing percent organic, it will be very difficult to find, the day of today of today. So, that's the first

that you have to understand. I've heard that's got to hear about, it's a lot of care of the politics. It's that's a lot of the lobbying or of the cabildo, of the people in the government in States, especially. In Mexico, the fact, I don't know-coe, what's

the circumstance, but you can't put it organic or certify organic, that no means, no, it's 100 organic. No, if you're they see one says in the

uncted in the United and the well, even in the way, even in

things in Mexico, if you say it's 100% organic, uh, can't have

certain percentage of pesticides, which is very bad can be a 7% a 6

but still are pesticides organic, has a clause, has a other

clause, so it's different, are leas we can't see organic, it's

a lot of things that have a thing. It's a It's another. It's another.

I don't know the table exactly how are the percentages, but I'm going to investigate it's a bit of a

work of investigations. It's very very easy to see the tablas, the, of the etiquette and that's

what's what happened, like, something, like you said with great businesses that have

interests common. Sure, so the etiquette, is that the etiquette is

mercadectia. Yeah, the etiquette the product is mercadectia. Exactly. Incluso

the certifications of the government they're controlled Tristently, the system economic that we have now, the government

not is working to defend us to us, the government is in the government is in the government is, with the grand

donators of the thing. It's, you know, the company, it's a lot. I do it a good idea. But I'm, you know, it's a law. But passam me this law. And it's uprope, that my etiquette, and could say, or... Exactly. It's all. Well, and that's a

interesting that this thing, that's the time, it's a lot of this time. Because this has passed for many years, Mark.

You, at the more, you know, you're not you've done you're doing that's got to a certain percent

of sugar. And what says gluten-free also can have a little bit of contamination of gluten.

They're we have to simply present attention, and I think we do the

people, we do this thing, not it's a program political, but I when I

when I I hear, for example, the topic in the States that are going to quit regulations, to quit our regulations, not, to get regals to

get the people, oh, I'm going to be easy to docile to make a business, it's easy, create an economy, I'm

completely entrepreneurial and me like the capitalism, but I'm just the capitalism conscientious. Now, the

other extreme is that when the companies are the mega-empresas, not the companies, not the companies chikits,

not, not vegan planet, we're we're not, we're corporatives, they're

to passers the raya, the government has to put up rules so that they put them,

there's the difference between democrats and the democrat democrats think more in putting more to put a

people, to put a people and the Republican tiend more to quit reglass for the

company does that the company does it I'm sure, I'd be a favor of there's

if the people, the big enterprises are good, those, were honest,

but if you pass, then you have to start to put reglass. And also I'm going to put in the

lot of regals, you put in the things so difficult that you can't do you know what you have an equilibrium between those. Yes, and

well, the equilibrium, ohhala there's a some day because, because, the FDE

is the that control all these rules and are the same interests. In this moment,

it's allancealed. In this moment it's completely of the people of the mega-empresas that they

can get regals and abus and abus and abus and have to have of

creating with what does the tiquette. The ticket is mercadent and fiatty.

I'm also I'm like a business and I'm also I'm passionate, no,

and at a lot of people are you say, what intelligent are of those strategies

that are so you you put to to analyze the business and you do you're and you're

and you do it's because it doesn't because it is the problem, you know

you know you're you not you're you're doing and the that's approved and

not be approved. To me that's to go to go to Washington various

times to help to talk to talk to what would in Mexico or in America Latina

at the more deputats and the house of representatives and senators and senators to pass

liies to and we're we're going to see a you know, see a lot of people who are the

people in together, they're doing in the lobby famous no? And much of what happens

in the United it's it's across in Mexico and and America

Latina because they import products of there or are the

same the same and the same things international that are doing in the

things. But well, since we're not we're going to that we're

to get to the end of the eyes, the etiquette are, are

and the most ironic or chistos is that all the what are what are

not some letchugas some some letchugus that it's

it's organic from it's it it's so here in

Mexico we are considered for many forms, like our last

granderner, because we have much a different of different of the different places that's all all the

land of the land has been there has been much a little the country. Chiapas, Guacacacan,

youcatan, are you're them being stevia, they're sending noni, sabila cocos,

for all and here and here they're all all right. The water those,

the because Mexico to start to import water this year

the The demand is that's great in in the United and for the time of the climate, has done done

the year's of the watercats so they're also they're important. But the thing is, what is what is

what is what not the thing is to buy the thing to buy the American if it in the United. So, how the

people who doesn't know all the people can't get to do because it's more car. Well, the

first that they have to is that is to value, for example, what are in your

in your state, in in your community, what you tendas, what options you have organics,

no? What is very delicate, like lechugas, and tomato, that have a real, very, very simple,

I do you try to buy the organical. Now. That's the the peel that I'm going to a little a mordyed

I'm going to eat, but then then I'm going to get to get to with all and again.

Exactly. Now, something is that also are many products of the

foreign, that are organic or 100 organic or a A box of spinacas you value three

times more than a box of spinach because it's organic. Because it's organic. I mean, I think, I'm in a balance

and preferer to get me to the market to get the the market that's not has got to it's a lot that's creased

in this region. Locally. Not is a mega corporatible to vend spinac in a box of plastic.

Exactly. So, there if I do a balanceance. We're going to try to consume the more

organical that we can't we know that we're sure that if all we're we're going to do you know,

they're going to have the money and the economy to put to buy that we're that's lucos. Organic

means that grew to the antiquity well, so what now is organic was the normal.

Look, this is a mal employed. I'm me correct a 15 years a

master. When he started this organico me said, hey Miguel, you can't

keep saying organic and they can't start using because organic is

all, it's all it's of an origin organic. So you, a plant, so it's like

a little bad employed, but if it's what it's not there's that it's that it's

that it's that's all things that they put in. But the same thing, the same word

organic is desviated or desvituated and so based on the great companies in

power manipulalal it. Organic is natural. Yes, exactly. Exactly.

It's like, it's like, that's it's not mode and that we know that we can recognize we

don't have pesticides but something something that's something natural so I'm so I recommend that all the

thing is like letchugas col and hitomatitos all the very delicate that they're to get to

get to local okay so number one for to eat no I have to

eat 100% organic no no I think no I think any

any any any any could be if if all were

100 100 organic I I have two restaurants and much of the things that we have organic, and you know what I'm talking, and I say it's all the people that are listening, we're going to, we're going to began planet.

All what are superaliments, superfoods, proteins, all, everything is organic because many of us do we bring to importation. But there are things that we're that we can't put in the menu and not those hithomatitos cherry, the grand majority. We've got to them from people

to people from here local. But if I put my menu, that all my hitomats cherries are organic, but I'd have to put an organica, this is organic,

no me does the space to do this for a thing that's that we're not a

thing we're that's a because it's impossible to get it. I'm in many of many people

and the American when possible. Organic when possible. So, so the intention of

the restaurant I think that is a philosophy that we can't do you do that

eat the more because, many times I'm in States United, I'm in the supermercad and I'm in

a supermercad and I'm in the major part of the time in Whole Foods or in Jimbo's or in Trader Joe's in the supermarkets supposedly more sanitos

you enter's there and not they're not they're not having durasnos organics or not they're not impossible platanos organics

Yeah, no, and a sometimes I'm a little, I'm going to I'm going to when I'm

when I'm when I'm when I'm when I'm things I'm what are traditional and what I do I'm

the Units, I'm going to buy the organic. I'm what I've actually is that I'm a local.

Local organic is my priority. If not, well, then then, then it's organic,

of other country, but also I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm because in a time time that is of sandia

I'm trying a sandia that's probably a car, from where from where, exactly. So,

so most recommendable, before to enter in the specific, the most recommendable that is local?

Yes, local, organic, and, well, that's to go in the

mercadito. To buy the agricultur directly. Exactly. Not at the supermarket, but the

agriculture directly. Of this segment we can learn that to get a life a single and I have to buy

100% organic. I'm preend it those etiquette not are not sure even a because there

are the laws that they're not companies include things not organic and that's legal but

the etiquette is mercadectia your credibility not should be in what design you a agency of

publicity to put the etiquette to the product, if you know, to learn about the products we have to

educate us. But it's good, no pass nothing. No, it's a business, it's a

business that they're not going to do you go to the super and get a box to get a un-gallus organic, organico

and I do yeah, corrages and there's... There's cell you private, that not from the government that says a

maniposite, no, the project is a free of genetics transgenical, I'm, I confi in that ticketita

that's a The etiquette private, not of the government, but it's a organization. Yeah, NANO,

the mariposita. NN. GMO project. Uh-huh, exactly. In that I've read that I can't have seen because it's the

government, but it's a certification private, of the companies conscientes. That's, that's,

because the tofu, for example, the tofu, is validated that much of the tofu is validated for this

company of NGEMO that's something not only not only not genetically authentically is other

thing. But organics is that is other thing. You have to have the two etiquettes Organic and NangyMO.

Organic and not genetically modified. So, that could be that not transgenic but that can't be transgenic, but

it can be the other that's it or that's so it's a so it's been more difficult. One thing

for not revolverness much, one is that is that has to have or not Pesticides

and other is that is that genetically modified or or natural. So, a transgenical

or natural. The ideal is that not or so it's transgenic and it has been cultivated without pesticides?

Yes. Or with the minimum of pesticides? No, and also, it's very important to mention that

because many people people, my, they say, and me say, some, some,

some, it's not, that's organic, so it's genetically modified, I go, no. I thought, I'm,

I'm trying, to, I'm trying, the, check in those topos, all the people

that have taken a to the person, that I've seen at the world that's

that's the tofu is not genetically modified and it's organic. It's organic.

So, it's two sales. There are many of the tofu in Mexico in Mexico is organically

modified and we're not genetically things. And, well, it's a thing that kind of the part of

the part of that you say, no, we have to eat all organic to come all organic to

that the of the experts in the pretexts, in creating pretexts and not do the people that are listening,

the people who can't buy organics, the people who can buy in the markets, even have the money to buy in the great

supermarkets, that they're that they're not, but that we'll get a pretexto, to not get a food,

because it's very car, the organic, or because it's very car, the organic, simply, and what much people do you

do this is, that too would be a recommendation of the With what you your Cabece.

It's that many people hear of the meat, of the pork, and the and the says,

oh, but the fruit also have they're in the same thing. And it's a same. No.

No. It's a pretext for to keep eating or to not to not to be what you're

saying, no? Today, today, all this are contaminated. Yeah, or the plants also,

I'm I'm saying, I'm I'm sure that I'm I'm trying, I'm I'm trying to

the better in this planet. For me being being vegan do you do the

better that I can't do a day a day. A lot I'm in my mind I'm going

to think bad at a person to think a bad at a lot of the plantas not the system of nervous

I know. I know but you know, but you know my response is simply

let me make me do this let me do you can be a I'm going to me to

get to me to work and I'm to maybe to be a maybe to be a maybe

to be a not we're not But, but, but, the, the fruit

and verdures that are the same fruit's about the same that's the meat that has anti-biotic, and also, the

animals, they've got, the granos genetically modified with pesticides. So, when you come the

meat, you come the pesticides, the transgenical, and all of the toxins, and all the hormone,

and all the problems of the, the can't, but the can't come the

animal, that is for the can't do you're doing soy and

mais transgenical they're they're going to come pasto so even they're

eating they're eating that's not that's not being a form natural. And just

that's that's that's the problem like they're these transgenical for the

ganado to produce more barato to task to the things that

they're more more than more rapid and more the matanza the matanza

the matancy, the the money of the those those those

more things transgenic, or genetically modificated, also they're they're going to and they're there's that there's that are things

that are in the panes, that are organic, and are since transgenic and others that no. For example, I prefereria

to eat a tofu that's that's not non-transgerical because the soyas you know and the soya

we know, we know, special, there's special, there's, there's tension between you there's

no, there's my, your priority is that not so transgenic. Because it's the that they're adorned the ganado and is the

genetically modified. Organic. Organic, it's a whole thing that we're going to get, at the final, we'll just to have a surprise

something, a surprise. A surprise. A surprise. A surprise. A surprise. Where you can convert these

fruits and produce and those are organic that's almost, almost, almost, almost,

getting to that's free of pesticides and of cloro. It's we'll explain if you in the

last time in the last time. Well, we let's do a pause there. specifically about

specifically of the questions that's the money, invertive more money and to buy organics, and obviously

not transgenical, and what are the animals that if not you can't the money or not are available to buy in their

form organica, it no important that you don't know that you'll talk after a pause. Continue on the podcast,

I'm Mark and Tony Regil, our guest Michael Bautista, creator of Vegan Planet, one of my restaurants favorite

in Mexico, and, And, also, an appassionado and an activist about the food not only for the compassion with the animals of the planet, but for your health. And here we are,

we're talking of the myths and realities about the food organic. And we, we know, we have to be 100% organic because a much

people don't it can't get to and it's not available. Exactly. But what would be the things that are,

that is, that is it is worth to invest in the organical and those that, not so, Well, here I have a list that I'm going to,

I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, so I'm going to, for example, of the food planetary, at the level

worldwide, um, that are more contaminated, we have been from the monsons, the pimentos, no,

pimento, red, Pimiento rojo, the apio, the marinas, all what is nectarina and mandarin the,

the peras, the uvas, logically, especially those importation, the lechugas, the lechugues, the lechugues, the lechugas romana,

not to the lechugas red, but the lechuga black, and logically, the papas, no, it's a whole thing there with

the suburbcules. So, those, those animals, of origin vegetal, if I can

buy those organics, me convienes much more. So, because are the most contaminated

for the industry. Exactly. Because those produce at a level massive

for supermarkets especially, so if they Comprone's supermarket, those are those that are the money to buy the pen to buy the durasno, for example, here in the Riviera, no, never, then the durazum, de

for sure, me will cause car, organico, not organico. So, so, also, they're going to, like, isolate and say, no, as I'm not toaddlem. No, because the durasno, because the durasno comes to other place, of a climate more free. So, you're trying to eat local, what you said in the primary segment, Locotarian, or Local.

And there's it may say it's going to be easier. If you, of this list, you can eliminate durasnos, mansana if you're in the south of Mexico.

A mansame a lot of but those that we've been in California, for example, in Florida, in New York.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, this recipe is a level, we're going to generica, no?

But of what did you there, all those fruitas or o'has no have caskara

gross. Exactly. But the only that has got the attention of the most contaminated

is the mandarin. Did you say mandarinia? No, the nectarina. No, the nectarina has had a cascar. Exactly. Ah, no, that's if it has car, yeah, it's the problem.

The mandarinia no. The mandarin no. That's all I invented I in my head. I was it in my headerina. Oh, it's nectarina. Pardon. Okay, yeah, I'm confused. Yeah, no, I'm like, I said,

I read here, nectarina. Nectarina. Because I, when I go to the supermarket, that's like my rule of thumb, like my regla to keep. If it's a caskara that me going to eat, that's a carcacacacaca that

I don't I'm like the platano, the sandia, the melon, well, it's not organic, I'm

in the correct. So, so you're not in the restaurant in our case. We've been about in the

podcast anterior where we're going to a machine perfect. And you see how your machine

perfected act uh, that's really that's super important to understand it and to make the

kind of you know, like you you're just right right, no, for you know, the people

less. Of the most like, let's the more limpisites. Of the most most limped

that are the I recommend that they're not necessarily to be organic. If not you're the opportunity to buy them

or the resource economic. Okay. What are those that most important?

Logically the onion, because we get us the first capa, the

avocado, the pina's, caskara gross, the mango the mango, no,

you come the caskara. The sparrows, the the caskara of the

part of the part of the other than there are two, three products organic

that are like the myis and like those chicharos. Okay? Those,

like the majority is a production massiva. Much of they use a rice organic

to emas this type of more you know. You find out in the

supermarkets many fruit and organics embassated for kilo and

per people they're to give the examples of the

frez the mixture of broccoli coliflor or saueria, the moras asuoles in

Mexico, the gelated. Congeladas. And those are good and for so they're really in

more than a natural. Yes. Robana bought much frasas and mora as wool.

I, for example, in the restaurant is all the fraser is organic congelated.

We're we're that's it's more. It's better for for the

smoothies and for example the platanos is something that's a cask

and the col has has a that normally the cabbage, the col or the repoll that repoye, that they're in Australia, then you take the first capo, the two capes, like the sebolla, like the coal.

The broccoli is something that has a thing that I can give. The broccoli and the sparrague are some of the products that not have to be organic, but if you recommend that those blanken or those passen for

water calient, for the most five seconds. For the people that come crude and vegan is it still still still a broccoli and sparrow, five seconds in the water in water,

in the water, and go, two, three, four, five, and you're, and you're, Sulta this polvito that no is

any pesticides, nor anything but is a toxic for the organism. Not you're going to but it's better eliminate. It can produce

gas, you can't. It's natural in the broccoli. It's natural. That polvito like the morado that's a borgolid has

or blackito. It's a little bit of water calient and they're so much. But the broccoli, for example,

and the coliflor not is something has to be organic. If it's they're not they're not the products

that, we can't have more pesticides. Okay. Okay. We're a PDF for those that listen in the podcast Managell, we're going to have a PDF in Mark Antonio Regil.com in this episode of the

Myths and Realities or the Comed Organica for that can't back from there. And you can't see this list of the most contaminated and of the less contaminated. Because that's an alibi. It's an libyo because, if no, it's an stress enormous. I was, at least, even, even when I was a supermarket, and I was another

because I don't know. I thought, I'd, oh, I'd wanted a sandia or care something. And no. And then then I learned that it didn't even have to, or the The avocado, that's so rich, that for sure is It's a lot of course yet is It's a lot. Yes, and the organical you're going to

cost to be about it. In the States United, yes, and no, and it's like an livene. What I learned

you from the first, that was my, was the coach of boss, that was the he was to be a

vegan, Larry Mos, that was he said much, I'm very strict, in that the the food that the

food that those, that are, so, not genetically modificated, non-transgenic, and

organics, that was basically the maize, the trigo, and the soy. And he said, if those three not are organic and not genetically

modificated, not those comprans. So, like, strict a relation, because there are the pesticides and the contaminants,

and Beto to know what they do you do to do do it's, because they're doing transgenical for that they're resisted

the pesticides. Exactly. So, then it's a quantity of a specific. Exactly.

Right. Right. Yeah. It's, was good the advice of my master.

It's a good and it's a moment that you don't you have done to be able you're

you're what's the tree the rice and the soy. Okay, are the

three number one genetically modificated to be a level world. Then the aros

black and so you go back the lot of genetically modified. So I

don't no me rompac so I'm I'm I'm almost

that's okay because that's when I when I was when I did in

the book of Vegan Living for Idiots, the Viviener Vegan for Idiotas, which is a very good book. The title of those books are so. The series of

books are an ananjazzed and then the marries, who are they're in the States, that they're in the titles that are for a tautos,

simply they're doing a form of a very jocosa and very simple. And to me that was my Bible vegan, so how to

make me vegano. And then then I said that that arros integral, rice integral, because it has the fecula,

has the fiber. When you separate for process The aros The aros Is the same Arrows, but they

They're They're quite You know, it's like you know, it's the yeah no, you can't

but you have the part like, you know, the rice integral, integral, you know,

that's the integral. That's natural that's the arras and you And already take

good. And when I know this, when I talk of this podcast, they're because they're

making a rice rice with Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I found in the Merced, and I found in the central of the pastoral, so I was around around two months when I took the last time

in my restaurant in Mexico, and they were a reportages in the Merced and in the central of abastos. And now, you can say, be the aros

blacko that and it's a piece of my own, I'm made videos, I've been a video, and it's impressive.

Cosses the aros of the place and you're doing for the so it's plastic what they're doing. But there's

another other part of the aros black that's not a to tap, you know,

that's it's, it's a tapas, you know, you know, you're constiped. Constipado.

In the case, with the whole, the fiber, the fiber will be that'ser

to be able to eliminate. Also, but for so they're not saying that's trigo,

soy, and exactly. Now, neither the trigo, nor the soy, orgically

modificed, is good for the vacas. They're they're to come more,

and to make more more more more than And the vacca, you're, it's like you're

literally eating plastic, plastic, for that you're getting gordo, gordo, gordo, what is what they're with the grass, grass,

graze, for that they can't spend for kilos more more than the video. The video was one of, that's askeros,

where they're in the other even is camera scondida. They're going to places, I think, in Asia, too, where they injecting

like a, a, some, to the chemicals, to the comanors, and to the and to all, like, so, like,

like, for inflars. And there, and they say, and you tell the bolsotas that are the those people, injecting, injecting, injecting, injecting, camarones, for that they're going to make sure, and they're making more, and so they're spending more. And so, and I was, and I don't come, I see, well, I don't come

a little marisco, but what asco and no, well, there's all the information. For the chemics, that's coming, wow.

Fiatty, I'm always my videos in my channel of YouTube, I always do a little of information, of so,

do classes of cooking and I'm mousto techniques of the but many times I always always do two, three

tips, that the people are, like, all, all the time, to talk about,

I was a lot, I'd talk about I'd talk about, I'm just, we're doing

after the messages. Exactly. We're a pause, We'll come back. We'll talk about us. We're going to talk about.

And we'll have a surprise. There's a good news to the final, because, also to buy certain products organics, Miguel Bautista, us will be to talk

to something that can help to forget about to buy things, fruit and verduras organic, something that you can't have in

that can't to be an alternative for when you know when you're not those fruits and verdurricular orgics,

or simply because you want to want to borrow money and not want to buy fruit and vegetables organic. And you

you know, you want to use Microdin, you know, you want to do use the other things. But that's... Okay. After the pause, we'll let's talk about this. Perfect. I'm Mark Antonio Regil.

We'll continue us with the podcast, the chef Miguel Bautista, creator, fundator, of vegan planet, and an appassionate of the health

of the planet, the beings, and also a very compassive with the animals. It's got with us today,

talking about the mythos and realities about the community over the organic. Yeah, we're talking

of trigo, soy, mais, and we're about the fruits and the vegetables, the list of of the most

limpio, the list of the last little of the rice, prefer to the aros prefer to the aros integral. Kinoa.

There's, there's another that's other that's putting very new the mow. The Knoa is very much

but if we're going that's in the States U.S. are going to get alergias to the Kinoa.

All right. All right. All right. So, I, I, I, I, I'm a lot to give you,

I'm the 90% in Mexico, yeah, no, almost all the quino in Mexico is organic. Because, although it's an animal, it's a

old old after 10 years, and all the producers after 10, 15 years started to be to grow, only organic, only organic,

and I'm going to know that the 90% of the in Mexico is organic. Okay. There no no, no

burser of it and not be alergic. And that they're just too good is so good, it's so much,

that they're to make sure to do it's to vary to to be so, but right right the

people are eating Kinoa, Kinoa, Kinoa with allergya, Knoa, with Knoa, and logically and, logically, once more Knoa consummese, those products are going to sembrate genetically modified. That's why I go to the list

that they gave. We've got to use of the granoes ancestrales that we have in different states of Mexico, in different states in South America, or where we're going to be talking.

For example, we have the Miko, that nobody do consume in Mexico. The people that are the vegetarians of the years 80s, of those who came

to this sir Michan Chaya Michan that never had never had to know it I'd like to know him to know

he's he's been with much of the years 70s was the first he was the thing

in the media in the media in the music and I was I was I was I went to

the stuff I was the superfoods that were the that the meat

of the that anti-gripa and they're they're and until the

they're still they're other type of information that they

had and he recommend the miko and recommend about Exactly the Grano

Ancestrales Inclusive the trigo When it's genetically Modified and if you can't

do you your own your own it's seen it's a Ceneo is a But to

go to what is transgenical is that we're just we're just we're not only

in coming quino arroos and soy and soy and mais we

we're we're our alubias the alubias who who consume alubias

who Who consume the aba? That the aba, I have a whole thing over the people and the mass muscular. For the protein,

the quantity of protein, the quantity of protein vegetal, Dr. Mauricio Gonzalez was said that was the best of the most exactly,

for maintaining and we're doing muscle. So we have from the aba, we know the miko, we have the

frioles peruano, the bayos, all the type of frioles that we have the frioles ancestral.

Negro, bayo, rogo, maybe vins, all, all. All. Here in Yucatat

we've got we've the spelon that's a new and so in every region where I've have been in Mexico,

there's there's really in protein goodiesies. Those products I'm so they recommend that they're

to go in the miko because as something that not it's a need a need a need to be a

not going to be going to be not going to be a lot I understand what you're doing is that when we're

doing it because it's we're not more good or we're not we're using to use for example

of the quinoa, we're inviting to the industry to get them to get them to get them to get more. And because they need to cover the necessity.

Cobring the necessity. When I went to a peru, we made them to ask us to the people that they're saying that in Peru is that too

the canoa that the people local, the indigenous a few can't get to buy their because they're exporting to all the world.

And, there is where there's where the temptation, where the diabliyo, to start to produce quinoa

genetically modified that, that want to pesticides and that role. Yeah, I understand. We're saying that we're saying that we're

not abusing. Not again. Not we're not going to get us in the invitation of the mercadentia. So it's good. But,

hey, me, you're saying a lot of, why not do you know, do you know, put it in the episode. Of all the not populares

already. But tomorrow I'm going to do it's a lot of the article. And it's notas in the episode. It's excellent.

It's very intelligent. That's, the other side of the moneda being being there many There's marks, there's a couple of markers in Mexico

that, well, that I've done a good, no, that exist, no? And they're Mexicanas, and they're black, frioles vials, vials, bayos, fronels, fronels, pinto, arroce, organic, and lentejo, are five types of, you know, five elements that

vending, friol, red, me probably, or pinto, vendenture, and arroce and salt. Who, is Theophilia? No, it's, Aires of Camp. Aires of Camp. Ah, yes, I've seen.

Ah, I've seen. Okay, Ares of the Campo is, let's, let's, let's make a relationship, and I don't, absolutely, no? So, I have to have it. But, but, but, but, fichate, how is this,

very interesting, and this, I mean, it's, I mean, it's, I'm sure, that's, you know, of any, the, , of whatever, is, it's,

in, I'm sorry, the price of, right, no, I'm saying, the kilo of freehold, the organical is, it's a, really,

so, it's, one, two, 15 pesos, is more, is more, even, is more, even, but,

but for kilo, if you, a kilo of frioles, how's you you'll get to you'll have a family two days. So, then

for 10 or 15 pesos you have to have to eat pork or aneroero or lentejo organic. I, there,

there is I see those motiv to that make that invest to 10, 15 pesos, 20 pesos of more

for a bolster and not scatimem because there we have sure we have friol organic in Mexico,

aros or the market that's called Pichich, that's called my people, to take us and pay

10, that not does that don't do it to do you pay 10, 15, 20 pesos for something that's going to get to be able to

get into money. And in the States there's a lot of marques and avas

organic and the difference not much. And every more things I try to buy in the

measure of the way of the money, I mean, I don't that can't find the

options of the people, I'm who I'm living in California I,

I'm I'm things that in Los Angeles in San Francisco or in Bakersfield

in San Diego, things local and and markers of people of families. Because I want that the economy of the families that are doing

the effort because I'm sure I think obviously the problem is of the mega companies because a mega-empreza that is

what's money are going to. The same investors of those investors not receive the report of what they did

so you can't not just you can't do you can't do. In the change the companies that are the

the waynees are people, families local, then, and the father, there's a

moral. Yeah, more moral. Imagineate you sitar me with my family. I'm doing a

brand of frioles. You know, we're going to get a quantity of pesticides and we going to

get a genetically, to get a more, yeah, that's, what example I'm doing to

my kids? I'd I'd be I'm a two or three before I'm to do you

want to get a family me we're going to let me we're doing, we're just we're we're trying those

these pesticides, is there are the people, they're in the world, uh, there's more moral, there's,

they're more, but the mega-empresas, those do- don't even even what's the capitalism inconscientate, where all is

money, money, and let you know, it's not you know, how you do you know, how you don't know,

even see how you know, because it's the system seego of Wall Street. For me, that is the problem of

the capitalism, not the capitalism, but the inconsience of the system of Wall Street

that's provocating all these diseases in the planet, Ceres humans. Ironically, it's all what goes up,

it has to do a while a world, thenergetically, karma, as you want to what you want to do you want to

do it. Yeah, but well, yeah, for the program yeah, I'm clear, I'm sure

I'm much careful, I'm going to get to the consumer to Kinawa because I'm doing this

other grano and you're to make to make sure and that's In Mark, Ontariolegil.com, in the notes of this episode, there's a form, there's a way,

that if I can't continue fruit and verdures organic, I can't make an inversion initial that can be able to do for years and years for all this

surprise, of what is this surprise? Of what is it? It's like magic. It's a machine. It's the technology of the most antivus.

You know, you know, it's a machine. It's a base of ozone. It's a machine of origin of technology Aleman.

But it's years this. It's a year has a year to be a friend Zick Frick Bangback who's one of my

maestros if he's a in Mecca meca is a German has a man is like Merlin he has he has a

he has a old old you know you know you know you know you know and you know

and well the same model is a still still is a machine that's a

machine so you can't so can't you can't you can't do you can't of molecules of ozono. This machinita

you put a, you know, a tubito in some 10 litre of and it desinfecta and it

ozonifica all the what is what the ozone does it rompe the molecules of pesticides and

of cloro. Oh, so not it's a 100% organic, but it's the best,

let us the best technology as we can disinfecting our fruits and the fruites and

many disinfecta that with microdine or with platacoloid or disinfects with bicarbonato or limon or vinegar

blank. I, of all those that's the I recommend the vinegar black is very good to disinfectar. And if even

can ozonification, this machinita is a very good inversion. And, well, everyone knows the ozone. Or has

heard of the ozone. We use it even in the world. But... They use it to get a

in some different places. Exactly. It has there's a part scientific and

medical that really not you can't but how it in the Cucina,

we use them to disinfecter. And many my time because if you osonificas some osonificas, some fresas,

that you're in those time, you know, put it in the apparel there. It's like a machineita and

it has a tube. And the tube you put in the water. And the fernss into the

water. You know, you know, you know, you're like a box of peseras. Yeah.

That's burbubhits and soolol. So, so all the soonif it soonific and sosonific

and so it's run Yes, are 20 litters of water, a garrafone of water, everything you can put in a carafone of water, you're taking

seven minutes in disinfecting. Seven minutes, and the machinita, how cost? There are machines to $3,000 to $5,000. The industrial is for a restaurant, 7, 10.

So, as a dollar right in 2007, like in 300 and $200, more or less, 20,000. It's a biozone, and it's a technology

toosoneficar. Yeah. The dentists do this machine for osonifices their equipment dental. The chefs, amigos,

many, many, who are many, those are in places in things, you know, you know, you know,

the frasas kept more brilliant, more time in your refri, like a week, and a

time, and apart, it's more more crispy, more crocante and more viv. And that's

do you do only only for disinfecter, but for that color and that texture to a new

a piece of a fresh cuted to the cuted to the Spie and it's a color.

Oh, and I'm not I'm into a tonification. I'm met to the tin and I'm put in the ozone

for the pesticides that I'm in the other people or whatever because. Well, no,

precisely but if you can't, so I'm another tip that is a flotation tank, that's a

tank, that's that's a but I'm seen, but for what you are saying for what you can't be

osonificed your water, your garrafone in your material, When you're going to, before you put in

your pears alkyanis, and you're in your acalinis, and you take an acolytic. With the same and then the same apparel. and then it's the same parato.

So, it's a lot of water, you know, sonifices, and then you can't you try to al-aliener. Interesting. And, well, that, what,

you investigate is, is the technology of ozone. Not is especially only for vegetables, but it's used for vegetables,

for fruitas. I have machines in the restaurants and I'm making small. So, we'll get the league to buy,

you can buy in Mexico in States, in America, Latin, in all parts. Yes, if you want

to do it they can do it, it would be a little more direct. I'm a much this

market, the market, the restaurant, and well, well, we're doing the other way, we're talking

in the section of Notas, we're going to get to a car, for who can't dozono, I mean, I'm

going to buy the my also. Yeah, perfect. Well, you know, I'm very much

thank you. Miguel, that you have done in the money in the organical, in where not

the way the way the way the thing to the organically modified, which are

two certifications completely distinct. And, and maybe the most important is this machineita

because if no I have access, it's an investment but I can be a lot,

the large, it's the machinita and you can't buy any more having much

care of whatever with the most contaminated and so do you buy the organic. Exactly. Even as or sonifical

it. Even as even as even as what we do you know we're going like it's

yeah for to start we're about the genetically modified and the organic but not we're not

we're processed like the flour of the meat of tortillas more secure but

that is something genetically modified processed and it is organic and that That that's

not to be organic. Why? Because it's like like to eat a tortilla and that's a thing you're playing a

encendor and see what it's a quake. No, what's the what you're going to? You know, I'm gonna,

I'm gonna, no, I'm, the example. Compro tortilla organic of maize and when I'm

when I'm that's gonna that's a man, that's the ones that are the that's the idea that they'd do,

that they're not only only consume the most organic that they're trying that they're that they're not a

genetically modified, that they're to do the marketes and the people who's people who

people who do you and logically what's that's not the tortilla, that's made

to make a base of the made of course no more not even a not really forget it

but we let's talk to do that what we not put any nutrient then so we need

to then you do you I recommend to be very processed well

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