El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 071: 5 secretos para una vida feliz con Clara Naum

Episode Date: September 30, 2017

Alguien me dijo alguna vez que la felicidad es algo que solo yo podía crear. Ello abrió una puerta en mi consciencia que jamás cerraré para trabajar en esta posibilidad el resto de mi vida.  Para la mente lo más cómodo es pensar que la felicidad es algo que viene de afuera o mejor aún algo que es responsabilidad de alguien más. Pero para ser felices, quienes debemos cambiar somos nosotros. En este nuevo episodio Clara Naum, coach de vida regresa al podcast para hablar de 5 herramientas que te pueden ayudar a crear tu propia felicidad. ¿Que puedes aprender?: ¿Por qué la felicidad viene de adentro y solo tú puedes crearla? ¿Qué significa tener una verdadera conexión y cuáles son las alianzas que te ayudan a ser feliz? ¿Qué hacer cuando vienen los inevitables conflictos en tu familia, trabajo o pareja? ¿Cómo expresar tus sentimientos enfocados en la resolución del conflicto VS a hacer que el conflicto se haga más grande? ¿Por qué reconocer y valorar, son claves para avanzar? ¿Qué es la verdadera intimidad y como construirla? ¿Qué significa escuchar con el corazón?

Episode 71. The podcast of Marko Antonio Regil is a production of RGL Entertainment, and all his rights are reserved. Welcome to the podcast of Mark Antonio Regil. Recurredo the first time that someone me said that the felicity was created from within, that nobody, someone rompio, my burbuck, my globule, he was pinched with a goon and me said, Mark, Antonio, nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody, you could be happy.

Because I remember that I was looking, that someone me made a happy. And when they gave this information when I heard of the first time with a master spiritual in Sedona that in peace

and that I'm even I remember his name but what I'm that I'm a way from that's a way from the way

because I think that the only that was to make that was I'm going to see the life of a

way completely different. Claranah Nahum coach of a coach professional

coach personal is in the program and has years and years of to work with

people in carcels of health security and today and he comes to this experience, these experiences,

these these five secretos for a life very much. Clan Anouin a manned over a new account.

How is this? Hello, Marko, an energy to be here to be a program, your podcast

that's so much, tant, to all the audience. Many thanks. And this

theme me, I like, I guess, I guess, we're a relation and nobody

is planning to have a relation and so nobody's a matter saying, oh,

how do you do you do a lot of a thing I'm in a few but a very

we know we're doing a new so that's so that's good to think of five

secretos from your point of view as an expert that you have worked

with all the circumstances socioe with all the circumstances with people with people

with people that's people who is that that felicit what

is the five secretos for a relation that I can start to start to practice from just

from you know not you know we can't expect and I'm really you know we're not

we're not we're not we're not much a way of a way a way in how

complicate and make it difficult I'm I'd be a good to be a lot

we're we're in some moment in our life to say to be

to be all the I'm not so I'm infelis and I'm infelies to other person but today we're here to give some things that

not are difficult but if it's quite to practice them and we can help to have a relationship that is of one or other

what we're what we're and some things that you think in some moment at you and we don't

we're not not to talk to live it because we're not we're we're so many I'm a couple

of generations I'm I'm I'm feeling I'm I'm in the I'm in the final.

I'm in the millennial. But I think in a few many years the day that's reprograms or

re-diseeing the system educative, there are matters that are or that are going to

form a day of the education basic. One is the life financial. The other

thing is the health emotional and the thing of the

social and there should be a matter that's a matter

that's a relationship. For Because really, all the things the intention

in general is to have a relation with a person to form a family, form a family, and also the

relationship to be it. But nobody us ensue how to do one or other

form, we learn we learn in the transcurs of our life. A

goal to dopes, for what we've, for what we mitam for the society,

for the culture, for what they're they're in the case without, without,

but if the intention is be a good, we're in what we're to focus on the feeling us complete,

of one or other. But we're to get the equivalent to make a automobile and say, ah, well,

take the and chockal the 20 times, and accidentate and and you're and you,

you're going to make a lot of the job. And so, and so we don't know those vices horrible,

that apart come of generations anterior. Or I, in the tarrows, I'm in the

lot of the telenovelas or to the dramas of Netflix or the movies of Hollywood like our

masteros of the personal and nothing to exactly. Exactly. And what is that

is that is like Marko, that me makes think many many times that

I'm my clients, in my office, a person, and he want to

see what they're to see that they're to the of Hollywood, for so

so say and a a reason and a time it not a so it's important

of that that's a relation have to cultivate and to make and look

it's more what we're what we're things are things that are for the novellas

for that you get spickado and you want to imagineate a a relationship

so so with all the claves that you you're not

not would not would not would I would want to want to Exactly, the conflict.

It's like House of Cards, no? See, you see the conflict of Washington and the presidency and, well,

I'm super fanatic of House of Cards. Now, with the Trump we're seeing better than House of Guards. A few

it's not even even even to see the television and the movie, because the reality it supera.

But not we'd not care we see that drama and that form to act to do that

for those who have seen the series, you know, those that I'm those that I'm going, those that's

the clade, starting from the most basic, how we constructs a relation police?

What would be the first secret? Well, the first secret to my criteria is

the connection. Estableser a connection that comes to the communication. Much

times we're that we're we're not people, but in reality we we're

a triangle, the telephone, my spouse and I, or the novi,

the phone, the telephone, the friends, or yeah, we're really connected

we're we're we're we're not a so how we're

we're really connect us with that other person with the question

or we're in a relation. It's to give our attention

total. In the moment that we have a communication is

really actually to hear from because we is important

for that other person? is try to busseer a little in the world interior of that other

person human that is partying the life or a moment with us. When we do that we're

doing also we're also to receive the same. So, connection is very, very important.

Fidate, that's what says, apply from the first because if you're I'm going to

a child, for example, and the really I want to know, the logical, and

the educated, would be to pay my telephone or guard my telephone and not start it's not going to be a time to get to

get a cell and put in the phone in the mess and they're checking their messages, they're and interrupent and interrupts the

talk about it. So, you know, not you don't you don't get to be a date. It's like a friend.

With a a friend, for support. These claves functioned for all. If we're doing it

to see how we can't have a power of a family, is the base of an amistat, is to think we're to be a relation

that we're in that moment and that we're doing respect and importance to that's a person, is saying,

look at a question, what would you do you do you do you, what are you, respect,

connection, attention, well, it's the same that we're that we're to give us human.

So, if we're to establishes a relation that is important, that or if not until

do we do we're doing we do it in my office in my office someone

me said yeah I'm saying no if you do you do

the 50 and she do it we do one has

to give the one has to do and I put all of me. The other person

also also not mean it's not say that this does and based to

what you do it then they're connection is important to establishes how we we're going to

that relationship and if I have interferences I can't make that connection then we're we're going to the future

yeah that a relationship you know you're not me listen and the other other party says the

same or is that no my place or well if you're established since the first day you're

you're you're on the connection is on Instagram or it's in Facebook

that no nothing but not in the moment that's with your partner.

Exactly. And in reality is the people think that's connected to but is

connected with what he is important in that moment. But then one of the things that I

particularly more I'm I'm you know what I don't know what I don't you

know, the questions, not sure? But the telephone that says Marko

is specifically in this time important because it has transformed in an

addiction that That that really is that sensation. And I invite to all those who are that are you thinking, how many times you feel that they're to talk the telephone,

agarral, be in the cartier, or be on the costado to see what, to see what's, to do it? What's like it I've?

What's got? That's just it. And, to one way, if we're to observe it, we can't

to start to diminish. And let's I'm a in that a site, in that day

that you don't necessarily it's to be to be to be a thing, but the

only just to just to make the something that's something that there's something that

is important and not you're it's like to be a third is sent out there. Exactly.

There's there's there's there have been separated because really

really of three, and in reality not of three, depends how people have in Facebook. If there's a million,

you know, you know, you know, and to be the thing in the thing of the social, and that's

that they're that you know, but if we're that we're a relation that is important,

in the that we think we feel good and we're that we're with a connection

with the other person and we want to receive the same, then we're

what is important for to establish that relation. So how we're going to the telephone? No,

there's to have to be there. Because, a less that if they're going to not we don't,

we're going to be a lot, but that really is very, very important, it's important

to clarify and say, this is the motive that I'm going, I'm waiting this

or something or something to be to be to say that really,

but but to give to a other other other other so

we're in we're doing we're doing the world of that other person when we're doing

we're we're doing us we're making us ourselves to make to expose to an

form positive and to have a relation that's that's where we we're sentimous

and where we're doing we're doing to the other human. For that is to let us to talk,

and listen us and interest us for the other person us want to so that's so that's

so that's an connection. And it's very simple. You're doing what you'd

like you want to get to see what that's what a person would when I

when I'm my partner or my friend or of my my friend, my friend or my or my or my

or my or my daughter, of my family, of the family, so if I want that

I'm to show it to make to do it to be to the God's not to do you

to do something to do you God to do you God to learn to learn

how and in consequence I'm to be attractive for a person

that that person that that I know that I'm very much that

I'm much much Marko when you you dost Maybe you're going to the telephone, mandating messages,

you know, you know, when it's, but we're, we're saying, we're not, we're, that person

that we're going to find, is, if I'm going to find, and a little

exercise, think, what is what I want, in the woman, with the woman, with

that I want to, or a moment. Or, suppose, is that I can reinvent

in a good sense, to say, no, because I'm because I'm married a lot of

many this no matter, every more. This thing applies for

those oldters, but for people in a newliasgo or more in a

matrimon and they have this problem of communication. No, me does a

attention total, no me he doesn't even with 20 things. So I

tend to start to start, yeah, so with someone with someone to be

to be a person, to practice to I want to receive. Dar what I would receive.

That's basic. That's what I want to give. And a sometimes me they're going to say, well, you know, you

know, you're going to get to someone and a different from the phone, know someone, or they know

someone on internet, they're a site, and they say, what is the important? How I'm

connect? So, what is the important to create that connection? It's the communication and

and there are to be and there are important also for the parents that are much that are

that's things in common. When we're we're going to get us about things

that we're going to make sure that that's that I want to be to be

more time or can be a good as a friend but maybe

not as not as a and for the person that is an exercise

dayio that's more is kind of to be able to be able to get to be someone who we're going

to be and we're we're we're we're we're used and for that we're

we're doing we're doing everything. And we're listening with the question is just that

they're just that you're just you know, no, you don't you have to be in this

quote or just something, simply simply if me you're just what you're doing you're saying, is the

regal the best thing you can do you know, you have to do the solution, no me you have to do your responsibility,

nothing. Simply listen to me. And that the women, we're doing that's people,

the major part, a lot of a lot of a lot of but the people, but the people have been that if you're

saying something is because you're a solution, and no, if you're saying something is because

you're saying something and the best thing the best Perfect, Mark. That is. And, of one or other form,

a lot of sometimes we think we're that because we're not we're going to we're to get to

to help to help and a sometimes not. The person is expressing what you and us

a lot, and of that form we're not we're in that ventura of the way,

in where we're we're doing things in whole, pass it is a

basic fundamental and that's a connection and we're we're we're not necessarily

we need to help a solution a problem although a sometimes it's

part in the parents that you have much that are but it's

good to ask and not do for sent out and imagine

that you know because we're because it's much that we're

going to the people know so that they're coming the phrase of the other because you know everything they're

going to say they're going to then there so I'm so I'm that I'm really when we're really

when we're to try to imagine to think or addivine what the other will say

when you know they're to discover a lot of things that make that make that make a

magic that has that's that's that really to feel that chispa of connection.

That's important that's important. That important to be present to maintain the connection. Because what you are saying

is very clear. A me has succeeded that I'm going with people, in a conversation, especially with

people who I know when I'm a little bit and they're and they say and they're and say,

that's the most frustrating and is what most you can't be able to make a new

a new family, I've been to be They've known before 20 years and

they're in the kid of 14 years that I've done with the vices of conduct that I had in this

time and with the priorities that I'm in the time, I'm the same of so they're in clear,

yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm going, I'm,

you know, I'm going, you know, no, no, you're not, you're, you know,

who's, you're, crees, you know, to be a person, but that person, I don't that person,

I'm a person, other person human with other other experiences. So,

I imagine what is for a person who is there for a person

and a person, his family, he is a person, he

he that he that person has changed, and not not

is present, and it's very fruscent. It's very frustrating,

very frustrante. And what you have to say, it's also, it's also related

to the thing of the people that we put to the other or the roles

that the people have and as you were so, in this form, in that era, you're always you're going to be so you

know, so it's that's totally to the person that has a a problem, and a a, a dollar

because it's like, I know I'm the same, it's like, there there's there, there's many

things, in many parts of our life, we've, we've, we've, we're different,

we've, we're our habits. There are many things and it's like to say to someone, no, you use a blue and you're going to use the color blue. No, let me use the rojo. Today me I'm feeling well with amarillo. So,

let's permit us to the human, be what they are, expressarse as as how they're expressing, use the color, if we use them, metaphorically, that they're seeing that they're using. So, no we can't

put them a ticket and pretend or think that we know how are, and how are to act. It's a

abism. Totally. And there is where maybe it's where maybe it's my way, but

when you say this is this, I was, if I was I was in a relation of a

long-plac and that person yeah no me he knows, and he that no

no new in me, I think that I'm even I don't even so I'm interested in

what I'm so I'm where I'm in the danger because I can find someone I'm

going to know a person who that's a a lot of. I'm in a with some member of the family in contra of the other part

of the paris, the spouse or the spouse. An alliance. Exactly. And they're like a union. Why? Because the spouse no, the spouse no, no,

he'scution. So, so unen with one of the children in contra of the other part of the the parent, the

mother. And that has done disfuncional that are totally negative not only for the

members of the pariah, but for the children or for any other integrante that's living that are living

this and that are patterns that are that's not the father or the mom has been with the child or the well it's

between no, no, no, for supposed. But it's like I've seen

in my family where the father and the father and the child, a alliance,

a connection, and the mom they're left out of or Exactly. Not we don't

we'll forget that we know that sometimes in families and in families

numerous there's there preferences because a one they're a lot

because one's eating and the other not, that they're

those little are not negative compatibility compatibility and that's

normal not not certain they they're not to go to

football and they're going but those are the

alliances healthables. Let's say well, that's even even with humor,

right? It's always. When he's when he's the father or the mother they're

or that alliance, that union because experimented that connection that not receive

of the other part of the party of the part of the other

of their and they're that they do one or other form they

they're they're they're to express their resentment, your

fault of connection with the other. So, not only the parisha

is rompe, for more that continue, can continue to the life, but the parentia

is a un-eat, the intimacy, the rompe the integrity as a

partner. And not only only they're they're they're that

they're that the child or the that is participating

in that that allian you do an alliance and the price that you

is the separation the abysm the abysm between you know, so if you want to you're going to

get to get to you're in that connection with your pariah. For that's in the religion

the priority is your party, after your family, after your parents. That no

means that you're going to forget to nobody. Absolutely. The people, a lot

that's a problem too, oh, okay this, no. And it's like you

it's, is that priority, is create that union, that base, that if the base is strong, can tolerate the torments,

can tolerate and resolve problems and can educate to children of a form healthy. But when

it's trying to cover the roles of a spouse with one of the children, not only

just for to tell them secretos or for to break that line of a marid, and so

he's not that's a child, it's like a kind of a kind of a kind of a kind of

a speciality because now we're not we're not our way to your mom and you are the question here

and that the price that's that's that would be that would be that's that's

create abism subotter to to your own family to your own a private a part of

and a Also, if you're in a noviazzo, you have to practice that attention total and to listen with the carousin with your novi or novia for that when you enter's at the matrimony and continue. Because if you that alliance, that you have a little bit of your mom

and you're not disposed to do an alliance with your partner, because you're going to continue that, that's a pattern of conduct. And something, for example, when I was when I try to or I intend to

explain to some of my clients, is, for example, the theme of the patrons, and that me say, but how, the patron, if this I don't know what I do, when we have patrons, that we all have, and we all we tryments and ideas in how we've lived the

life, when the pattern is a negative, when we're seeing, with a perspective a serrada and we're doing to us, or we're doing the things so serrata,

so literal, that we're doing, so I'm going, imagineence that they're in a train. When they're going in the train

They're going to The train, they're going to The the Paisage all,

but from the train. No, they're in mind what what

happens. If want to get to get to get the train

and from the and I can see the train pass.

So, we assimil with a pattern that of

conduct that we have done is I'm to get

to go to and observe and see what what

is the important is that when I see and I'm doing the

patron is that I'm so I'm doing so so to be

or criticars or self-castigars for the patrons not not but observe

those back down the and see what is what not that's

that does to make decisions different and there is where there's

a coach of that you can do you can do you

like a No is that the director technical is better than the goaler or the porter, but he's

seeing all all over in theory with friarity and you can say that is what is what

is what you docheate. Sure. Perfect to your example Marko, because the coach of

life, in this case, or for parishes or for persons individual. This is

a vision neutral. More all the other the things that we can try to

the other human is a vision is be the social, of another

form of that person, for that's with the interest that person has to get to get to

get, but not is involved in the minucing of the day of all the what he

is not not taking parts. The only part is that that person can do that

person can superar what they have to superar and to get to get to get to

their potential. And not not got in the emotions. The emotions

the nubla in the view. Yes, as you I'm really to be. The emotion

sub and the intelligence back. We're going to a pause. We're in a pause. Hey, this

one of the five secrets. So, we're going to have to be more precise in the other four, but we'll have to let me

with Clara Naum with these five secrets for a relation happy. I'm Mark Antonio

Regil. Clara Nao is our invite. And the five secrets for a

relationship for a We've learned and it's a connection. That's an attention total,

to listen from the heart of the heart of and connect me with who want to have that

a relation of a obviously and not do you do not desviarmes and

third, fourths or five from the telephone to the phone to the mom or the

father or the or the person because if he's so I'm doing it

there's there's not that there a first to a primary

that would with your a pair in the case of a family so is clear. So you're

going to say something? No, perfect, what you're saying. Yes, the

alliance. And when we're doing the form positive, in form positive. In form

positive. In form positive. Number two, second, secret to a relation a question.

It's to have the intention to repair the conflictos. Tener the intention and

and disposition. And disposition, and For suppose. Conflicts is something normal in the

life. All the beings we're not in the world sometimes small,

a sometimes grandes and it important that we have the decision

to repair the disposition, like you, and that is a election. When,

for some because the people, because the people not

lived so, not they were, not they educar them they're they're

in that form so the so they don't they're

not a different so there's there a or I'm

express nothing more that I'm so I met to

into so each one function different but that

the conflict separa and create a grieta a

abism between the person create a a great

resentment crea we'll we'll we'll never more conflict there more separation

and it does there other other other alliances exactly

so so so so so so I refuguged

in a alliance new with a third or and there

is where is where there is where certainly with that certainly

and that that's exactly the same because until that you know

solosions what one has to do you know, the life will say, well, no,

you know, you're going to be able to this, and we're going to be the same. The problem the problem

is you. Exactly. And not is you're you, it's a thing, it has to

you're going to do you get to the problem. So in the conferences I'm the same

the same the different diablo. Exactly. I got, me got it.

That's one and other once after that for fin we're what we're what

we're saying, that we have to continue with the person that the

things not not, I'm not I'm that I'm clear that that

is a decision totally personal and it's in function to

how is the person and how is important so that the

conflict and from a point of a place or in a

calm and of peace, to make the different decisions for the that's

that we're not for another podcast complete and we can do it but we're going to

get the position and the disposition is going to get a help of a professional, we're to look

to do a work, we to grow together to get to get to the origin

of the connection that was to give us that we listen to listen to because

I can not I'm not I'm listening the story of the But many

times the people want to expose their point of view because the other other form

the ego is saying I'm going to have the reason. So, it not is to not

to know the reason. It's to be to hear the other people, and a

a lot of I'm invite, and I invite that I'm that's one of

the exercise that was just in my book of

the person, and I one of my other days,

is there is there is, there a Cita of Rumi, that says, more

than the bad, there's a camp. There you encounter. So, I'm

invite to that one create that that is a representation of that

where not is the bad, and not the man, we're we're

a country, where with the intention and the disposition, as

Marco, desres solution to the important that's important that's

because many times the problems pass for the expectations we have

we're to transform in accord to say to get you're you're you're

you're you're you're you're you're and what says Rumi is all

the contrary you can you can't repeat the phrase yeah the phrase

is more more there there there there there

there there we're there the part practice and how I do you do practice many times I personally

I do. So, not only only let's only let's the other that's determine what is the

place the roomy. It's what is my camp, what is my garden that there not is

not the bad. We're not we're both, we don't know we're we're in

the connection with the intention and the decision to resolve a conflict we're we're going

in that that place. I'm I'm to really visualize

and they imagine in a place and they put on the other part of

the party of the that they when they do it in the conflict that's

the part natural of the place for that in that in that the

I have to I'm right, you have I'm you've me made,

you know me and you do the way to a resolution

to with a totally no no with no

with love, first, because the love is disposed to listen, is a different, and even if I

don't know I'm not I'm not even, even I'm like, even I've been actuated in a

form different, but for the most genuinely I'm doing because you are doing, because you're doing, and

if you don't mean, it's a good, or stay to you disposed to continue doing the

things like, for the most I'm I'm not, I'm not, I'm exactly, and the

thing, the thing, when we can't understand, we can we're we're

and not to the other person, but to do to make the other person, that's the decisions that's

good, you know, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm, I'm, see, I'm

don't want to do you want to get to the infidelity no, I want to that we're

doing, making chists before the other, the one of the other, no I want to

let me say, where I'm just, well, to us a other thing. A other thing, mariposa.

Exactly. Exactly. But the old Ditch, I know, Mark, if you were I heard much and not because it's a millennial,

no, loggos that no see in the heart, you've heard? You've heard?

So, the reality is that the eyes that no be in a heart that doesn't do you

don't know because there things that we try them that even that even that

we're talking they're we're trying are the energy of that separation, that energy of the secret. That's not what private, but the secret, if not resolucioning the conflict, so it's creating secret, separations, and that energy, it's termina separating,

to one or other form. OK, very well. So, pass number two, resolution, saner of conflicts. Before to go to the pausa, pass number three, what would be then? The pass number three is to learn to express

the sentiments. That's you're just just part of this. This is more precise. More precise.

Because, if I want resolution saner of conflict, I have to learn to express my sentiments,

to learn the other, but to learn to express those. And this would be I imagine

with no to be patalear and insults but learn how express those emotions,

those what you have to say, but there some there's some of

there's there's there's there's to be able to express to make us to get into

or better of this not you say that this not this

not so when we're a place that can be a

different to the roomy but a place in the

we we're sure in the we can't express what we

we're sad, if we're enoged, if we're excited, or if we're frustrated,

of one or other form, we're we're doing permission, not only to express us

but we not we're we're we're not a other form. And the most

important is that when we're we're doing the same, we're doing the basis if in

some moment we're to be that they that's a power. So, to be

to be express the human all we've got a lot of

feelings and emotions about we're things we're we're we're

we're we're we're we're we're all over the thing is

the sensation and power that is much more

than the that the the fact that's another

again it's very well repeat the the sensation, the

sentiments, the we have, the power express them is much more than the

fact that the cause. It's more important to learn express us than what really

happened. So what I'm doing and how I'm so I'm more important than what

origined the sentiment or the emotion original. Exactly. Imagine to Marko

that you're with a novia. And you want to express your

sentiments or she wants to express your sentiments or she want to your sentiments

and you are in a moment that is a little a little you're a little

you're you're what is happening the power that's that

contention in where you can you can say totally totally

of a form vulnerable that you're you are

you you another your your heart, that is much more curative than the cause or what you could have passed in that day,

that is that you feel you and when the other person you listen to mutuamently with the heart open, not with the idea to have how to do you do it, many times it's, if you do you know, you feel more so,

and we have to have to live with this. Or, to be able to I'm not I'm in in this accord. Exactly. Neutral. You know.

I'm not. I'm sorry. I'm going to give a space for that you expresses. Perfect. It's, when we're seeing

that space and we give the space to our human, we're doing to us and the day of morning,

we're doing to our children and we're just we're trying to the example, to give us

to give us to be able to be able to present the and as many times we've

said, One thing is I'm saying, I'm sorry to I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated. I'm still

a story. So, this form experimented us we're saying, we're doing, we're doing and it's

much more than the cause of that and not we don't we put the etiquette of the

sentiment. If I am experimenting trystess, I'm experimenting But I'm not so the celos or the abandoner or the courage. Now, the two extremos,

not sanos, are one, no me communicable. So, the contrary, to learn to express my sentiments, which is the secret number three, that you're doing. One is, I don't me communicable. Siento something,

me encirro, me pono passive, aggressive, I mean, saying nothing, but I'm being aggressive, even agressive, although I do nothing, I'm moling by

about, and I'm with the law and I'm expresso, and, then, is your problem, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, the word, no I don't sex with you,

no you see, or what that's that's a that's a lot of

that I'm to do you do you know so I'm so I'm know that

I'm the I'm I'm all the that I knowhous that's

I'm not that right without a responsibility and without any

consideration of the family and the all the and the

and the the That's the place. That's not to express a sentiment. That would say to

all you're to say to you're going to do you're to make a time. What you have you

do you're the two extremes are the two extremes are the two cars of the same one of the

other person. The one or other form. I'm going to do to do you're to say it to tell you

the other people say you what you're what you know what you're, look all the

with a lot of respect total to the other that's the other is me the I'm going to and the other form

not a level health too that we've talked about because all this is resentment and not I'm not I'm

especially the person salta, and he's maybe the person has no longer to do that. Because it's for other

side. For other other side it's a volcano that's a is ready to doption. Totally.

So, to learn to express my sentiments also has a sense of responsibility, know when and where. It's respond with

ability. And if in a moment they're in a moment, the only that's all right is grittar,

is important, at the more, to do a moment's, and take a time, a little

a little a time, to go to the bathroom, I'm and to feel and evaluate.

With all these these gritty, I'm going to do you? So, so I'm going, that

respiro, because the emotions is something that is something that's that we have done,

and at the most what we're that form of expression. But we don't know a pause

and then then we can't in calm the power or it's or it

or it's something or it's something that we're going to to share with that other person. If that energy

I can't get to start to go to get to do it and get to do do it too to get to go to

because if you you're not a tonteria I'm going to go to get a mountaine or going to go to

go to go to the mar in the middle where no I'm going to go to and I'm I'm inciro

my cord and I'm so you know I need to I need to five I'm I'm sorry

and I'm without the But is I mean, yeah that I'm in that's a explosion,

I'm then I'm a form more civilized to talk. And if I'm the night,

and I'm can't I'm able to I'm I'm sorry. I'm not I'm feeling so I'm

a little bit of everything. It's a question. It's a responsibility. There are certain things that have to maintain those privates. And in what moment is the moment in which really

could express me to be able to get to have a resolution of that conflict? And a lot, it's because there's because it was a lot in the job, me passed something with a friend, with my father, my mother, or someone else,

and I want to be able to express those sentiments. The power express our person makes that the other person also has been to be permission to be a permission that is very important for the pair.

It's a maestria and a practice for all the life to learn to talk about your time. We'll be after the message

we're with Clara Naum five secretos for a relation and we've been three, fault in the two and

with that we're going to do you. We're going to start the program we're going to we're going about the five

secrets for a relation Enfelis, with Clara Naum, who is our invitation. Number one, us about the connection,

of the connection that comes to give to give to give the heart. The number two, to manage the conflict,

resolve conflict, and the number three, that was to learn to express your sentiments, with responsibility, but with

an opportunity in a place sacred, in a place where no there's a thing for a life.

And we're And there are few minutes for the two. What would the fourth secret?

Yes. The fourth secret would recognize to a other person that is the couple of

a party to because one or other form many things we're done for a

right? Okay, this person is so for some because for some because

they're not on that relationship but but in the fragor of the

luch like who who says with the problem the

problems, the problems a lot of of those who have children or those who don't have children with

a lot of things that are in the life they're that we're we're to take us

to make to make sure to knower and valoris a person so and this this

this concept let me this call us or this clave for the family is for the

community. It's for the unidad with the community with the time, is that's a moment, more than

that's the problem that they're that's not, and not to do it is to do when they're

to do something, but something they recognize and they valoran of that person. Pienceen

now. You can be that person present, can not be it, can be the

a party, it's of the children, of the people, we can

give a example. A example. Well, I'm not I'm thinking in

someone, well, for example, my mom, my mom, that's

very present with me, we have some sometimes discussions

very very very but, what I'm what I never genuinely

actually she's a more effort. He was what she in your heart

was the she was a correct. Although a other not were the more civilized

but he had much love into her and then she was not a way to

that he had an enormous heart and that I'm always in the

most difficult so I have to know to so it's

it's so it's to do and do it's not

necessarily when there problems, if not all the days, when it

when it's the day, to the person that is a person who they're to do

or if are in a relation, is just say, parable a moment. We're

look at the eyes, what is what I see a voice, I'm a

voice, that I'm that I'm that I know, so that can't the energy

and has that we create a union inclusive more a fortaleza that comes from

an example I'll give an example the same last year I'm a man a man a client in the

office and with many problems with his father so this not was a relation of a marriage although

also also a relation of a but after a process a lot

a process about you know you could you say you can you know

you I'm saying when you're like, you're crazy. When you're when you're enoged

when you're you're doing that's you're to know to get to your heart to go to

your mind. That's was my point. Exactly that I wanted that I'm not I'm going,

I don't I'm not saying nothing and all what we we're looking how

we're doing this but if in the moment that something that

something that something that something we're to recognize one something, even

that's little, little, of that other person, with the which we

are having problems or or not we're doing, that's that makes change

the energy. And we enter to one or other form to an energy

that's direct to the heart. When our heart we

can be, we we can talk from other level. We can

enter to a level of of a level of to be a good and from the different to make the

for us, for the parisca, or for what the same, I'm going to do you, sometimes, they'll do one, two times, at times never, but if they do, it's important Because we're really

of what we do what we do what we know we also we're a lot of people in a pedestal

but those heroes we're all the little of the debilities of the and the

and that and as a practice for a parent for a part of a

day is a time is to send a message or to

say to the night that this or how I

know this of this of this of Especially when you're When you're When you're having

Conflicts Exactly With what I'm I'm I'm I'm know of this

I'm know I'm connect with my heart In other words I'm I'm

I'm the position of the victim and me connect with the love

unconditional that's in my heart and in other words that's

so is God so I want to I want to be able to start

to be saying it like if you don't could do you God's it. God, come and

help me. The response of God's would be a know of the thing.

Because in this moment me going to be going to be the door. I'm going to

you. I'm the love that you. If you you can enter and

a miracle, to do a magic to end to love your life and your relationship.

But you're you're the door because you're in your brain,

in your mind, I'm I'm the person or she is a

ball. and the the The presa is full of water, that's the

whole of but I'm trying to but I'm the preza serrated, the compuerta and I am the

that I'm that I'm that I'm that's all that's to do you to do you absolutely

that's absolutely that question and it and it's that conflict and that way

with all those those those poutes we're we're we're giving them

an opportunity to the relationship to be a And if we give us an opportunity to that, we're doing an opportunity to us. To us.

To us. I'm the one of the opportunity to. So, and more, when we're connected with the heart, we're going to make decisions of what other actions

we can do or take to be better, sent us to make. Or if that not is the person for us. Well, and the ultimate, we're just in a couple

of minutes. The ultimate, the last secret, for a relationship a relation happy, Clara? The intimacy

that's a idea, create intimacy how I'm that you that's a consequence

of all the other that's because because intimacyity because that's

people and that and then of another way or other way the people think I

think I have much sex or so I have much a little

little I'm saying I was reading a article of an

association of a society that's if a person has a very or

a lot of sex, is that the two are the they're in the that's

that's the that's the problem but when we put the rotul that the sexuality

or the sex or the sex or that we're we're making an idea is all

reverse. It's a reverse. It's a good sex and a good

sexuality comes like a consequence to have for

sure, and also. And, what when the time, what happens,

what for the couple the is the person I mean to say that's

it's a lot of that's when you're when you're going to and they're going to

they're in the car and the door has been to when they're when it's when it's

when it and if there's a accident or a problem or another the person

not can't say what you can't say so the sexo

is important so but not let we more more than what

has what you is if the person has intimacy. How is it when we're in

our time? When we're in different, when we're doing things in the same gusiness, we need to have the same different. When we're going to be able to the course. When we're going to be, you're going to be able to be. If you're going to start with someone, you're going to get to began, you're going to be If they're going to eat, if you're going to

the animals and you do you look at it's a little more difficult. It's a difficult. It's a difficult.

So if someone is a lot of the other person is totally discriminates and is a rath

is difficult. So, all that creates separation. To reirce together that's the humor,

to bring the humor after the moments difficult change the energy of

all, the humor fundamental, to do things that we do not have

things that are in things that the transcurs of the time are

to be the power to the power and the

people is the is the the the time to

understand and to be to give to understand

and when we we we is to see what we're doing and to use the pardon and use that level of conscience

more high-alto-the-counter when we've abjured the heart, all that creates the intimacy. And the sexo, that is something very important in the pair's, is in function to what both people are in a quarter or want

and not to the quantity or less quantity and puter a rotul. Because the people they're coming saying, I've seen this,

the media, the movies of Hollywood me musts they're really not what I'm doing

so they're being they're doing what is real. So, of the circumstances

of each the part of the other elements are that that

connection sexual not only is sexual, mental, emotional, emotional, emotional,

spiritual. So, there the sex takes other function, but no is no more than the other

things. Yeah, and there is a thing in a thing. Exactly.

And the person, to be the real thing in that moment, has to be able to

expose to that person human, I mean, to say, to be a person, and to

be vulnerable. If I enceerro, if I do I dispong to have my heart

open if the person can have sex but the person can't that connection intimate,

what is what is the thing. And something that I'd like I'm think we think we're

that's a more value. Much people think that is not to share nothing.

No, it's the contrary. When you you're when you when you're when you

when you when you when you know, totally of course. And the vulnerability

and well that's Now, now that you mention you. That's another Another thing. And someone me

said in the book, in the book of Pardon, for example, how I can have been partied

things so private of my life, of my history, and of other

form, I decided to do from the vulnerability what can be public, but is

private at the time. It's because to one or other not

only a through the stories of the the

other other form in some moment is universal so when it's when

we we're we're to inspire to give us the opportunity

to us and the people that we can then

it's it's a vulnerability not from the space

of I'm the I'm that I'm that I do is private

is private but I'm do public certain things, maintaining my privacy, too. That is the perfect

vulnerability. And your book, The Pardon, is it available in Amazon. We're going to have in Mark Antonioorogil.com in the section of the book and in the notes of this episode. You're in English and in Spanish. The pardon. So, yes. Yes.

Thank you. Many thanks. Thank you. It's the English. It's all the year past. And it's in my website. That, well, that during

the verano, I'm going to include for the people that it, that participate is a meditation for that you're in

the process. We're to the internet? It's WWW WB WV?

Yeah, and it's not even if you want to say, if you can't let me get the three days.

You can't edit to this? Yes, you know the question. It's

I'm I'm going to you know, I'm got it. The triple B has passed.

Yes, it's is true. What is your site of internet? Claran tocom.

Clarananau dot com. There's the book, there are in the obsequios and in the notes of the episode

also will be in this. Thank you. Thank you. Much thanks, Mark. Thank you, Clara, for having been been with us and you're

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