El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 101: El poder del perdón, con Clara Naum y Miguel Alejandro Torres

Episode Date: October 13, 2019

Mucha gente piensa que al perdonar actos de violencia o de injusticia abren la puerta para que estos se repitan. Sin embargo, perdonar no significa justificar, estar de acuerdo ni que debamos ser tolerantes. El perdón es un regalo que nos hacemos a nosotros mismos. Clara Naum regresa al podcast para hablarnos sobre el poder del perdón. Además me acompaña Miguel Alejandro un gran amigo comunicador apasionado de los temas de desarrollo personal.

Episode 101. The podcast of Marko Antonio Regil is a production of RGL Entertainment, and all its rights are reserved. Amid, here we are in the episode 101 of the podcast, in the arrable of our fourth time, from the month. Fromterrey, No, Leone, where, has been a month, we're, to send us a lot of people that we've made us an arson enormous to all the people that Stubbott. We've been with us. Transitim of the episode

number 100. And now we're here in the 101, in an episode that has like a logic and consequent conversation, because the last we talked about the gratitude, the power of the gratitude. And justly we that the gratitude is prima of the pardon. And the

pardon is primed of the gratitude. Are two things that are related to. And justly, justly, for not to make the theme incomplete, because it was impossible to to be to be a podcast, then we decided to do another episode more

with our great Clara Naum that was with us to celebrate the in episodes before that's to go to go to the world, and author of the book,

The Pardon as a way to the liberation and Felicidad. Since you've you've noticed, you've never a week of a

time. So, how is that's the planet? So, how? A good. Alegia enormous to be here to be

here with you. And if we're going to be about the the time of the pardon, symbolically, why we have to take

so we're trying to we're trying, and making it that not be a lot, that is a drama. And, at the more, for that the risa is nervous, because I know I know I've forgivenate, and I know

and I see that me you're going to make, I'm, I'm, but me conviener. Because that is the theme, for what, it's the thing, why are the

advantages of the pardon? And we're going to talk also to what is the pardon and that is the pardon?

Because there's a lot of confusions. Much of confusions. And the problem of the confusion is that the person not want to

pardoning precisely for this confusion. Well, we understand the thing, but before I enter the theme, I want to present to an invite

to a very special, that has been all the podcast, because he's also co-productor of the podcast, is who

edit the podcast, who musicalize the podcast. It's a great friend with the I've had many years in

radio. He is locutor and producer of radio and, apart, is a student professional of, of a cresmint and superation personal, also does conferences, he likes the coaching,

and here we have, for the first time in the podcast, to Miguel Alejandro Torres. What happened? Hello, thank. Thanks, Mark. Nothing more,

you're doing a podcast, in invite me to a podcast. This was... Thank you. Pardoname. It's for that the thing. Let's start.

Let's start the question. Well, is that Miguel, is expert in vengeance, also. He came to

give the contrapunt. No, but we're not we're doing those episodes of the benders,

P. Yes, those who were the podcast that's about Vendor Radio, there with David

Stengg we, we were, we were the three. Justly, but we never talked

the thing of the court. It was that was of a court, it, was of the other court, it,

was a very very beautiful, no? We're going to a time, we're doing, we're

a little pardoning, but the reality the reality, the reality, is that to pardoner to someone that was lastimed, that us robbed

something, that was in danger, what we're in danger, what we're a lot of, Clarita. It's very difficult. It's very difficult. It's a sometimes almost impossible.

For that the challenge is so great. Because I'd like someone, in the audience of all those who are listening in this moment, I don't have

I don't think I don't think I think a single person that say that doesn't have nothing

because our experience human in the living, in the and the and we

pass some and we do things that are that are so far to be the ideal

so we don't we're we're we're we're we're we're

and a sometimes they're episodes that are really traumatic in

our And to continue We're going to We're We're always We're able to To let her

To give to And a pardoner And a part Nesta And it's Reiste and He wants And he wants

Now Miguel Yeah, I'm talking Foura de Broma He's here Because that's Apeasiona

Much Because You have You have You've You've You've Have You

Yeah Yeah I'm I'm I'm a Lista I'm a Last list of

Cases That's... But it's too pardoning. Really. Not as is to get

out of out. Of course, to get to get it and you know, there's two,

let's do two blocks of the pardon. One is pardoning to turn to third people

and the other is pardoner to the self-purdon. What is more difficult in

your experience? Well, in my experience, the majority of the

people say that's more than to be to be to be to be

I'm not so sure that is something. I'm going to you know, let's think of you know, in a whole thing, and we we're not in a

single thing, and the audience can do this at the same time. Think in one single theme. Actual.

Actual. Or, all of what you're listening. All right. Something that is the moment I know,

I'd like to be there. Mm-hmm. Could be? Yeah. Yeah. You? We have to

to say it? No. Well, if they're going to have much audience the time, the podcast

we'll say. Look, I'm going to say, but the theme is then then how to say it's

so it's well, if we're going to say a public, well, in what what's

what's simply thinking, think, the fact, the fact, is happening

now? No. No. No. No, no, no no, no. In this

precise instant. In this precise instant, no. No. What is happening?

Where is the the dolor? Addentro? And who who has to? My mind, the story that I'm

going to. Exactly. So, if we can try it, we can't let us do it.

If we can try it, if I have the power to try it with my mind,

I'm with my mind. Exactly. Exactly. So, so imagine and,

to know, to all what is in the audience in this moment, trygan a situation that

how you see when they're trying I think that's the first obstacle because many times try that type of records to present many times

it's implicate and nobody want to cross for the pain to try to talk to evoke the record but not is

that you're it's that it's that it's that you know you know you're a person

conscientious you can't you can't that's that's that's that's not right

and responsibility but normally simply apparently it the mind and when you

know, you know, you do you know, it's what you're going to do you know, and what's that's about a lot of

that's, for example, you know, we're you're going to give, and we're to do this go to the no,

for a favor, that's not you know, you know, you know, canceled, canceling, canceling,

canceling, canceling, with protection, I'm, I'm protect me protect Your Your husband or your

The husband The husband is A woman That's She's taking She's She's She's got

She's She's You know, You've You've You've You've to have

You've done You've has cured And of And you You've You've Passed

And then That person and In that car He's with Another or

Or she It's And it And it It's question of Evolution

It's It's to Dispire something a of a

the of a the that's still that's so it so it

appears without you're that's that's that's there's there

and it is caused for something that was that that

the author of the power of the new the new the new

the new he's reactive like so so so

like a zombie of a repent cobra a life is

that is that the the body of the of the body just to the and it's

and it's and it's and it's and it's and it's real and it's horrible it's horrible it's real

and it's real and it's in your body you know it's a people who there's

there's there's what it has passed in the stomach in the garganta because

because it's a level cellular we're we're it's we're

still don't so then what we do you do The only solution, at least that I think is the only solution,

is to be able to be. The power to be. The power to be, not yet? Well, there is to let's hear. But it's easy, a lot of times. It's a time, a process. And we'll call them pardon. We could we call it whatever thing.

Because the people, even if you say the word of pardon, is a guardia, in resistance. Because, for to start to let it to hear, to me be to get, and if do I'm going to

go and I'm going to do you, I know I know that's correct, but the illusion of my mind me says, if no I'm I'm going to be protecting,

I'm going to be able to be a lot? If I'm do you know, it's what the normal of the person

thinks, it's it's like it's like someone me dawned. From now in more, I'm going to use this scudor to not permit that this

me will be a suede. Why? Because in that moment we're thinking, if me succeeded, it's because I'm tonto, I'm degenyar, something so, endurecingdomy,

I think that me protect and, of that form, me separer, of the cause of the the dolor. So, the not being vulnerable

to new, not me will ever to happen to happen. I'm going

to build a wall. I'm going to build a wall. I'm going to make a problem.

Exactly. And the part of that is what causes the dolor. Because we are we

are going of our essence. Our essence is the love. We're

we're made of love. When that is that love has been damaged for

so so we're so we're we're but in reality

it's an illusion because that that love not we're

not we're we're we've experienced a problem we've

experimented abandon abuso engany robos and that us cause

a a pain a intense profound for that

not will happen we we're we're that we're

we're we're we're And not only that we're not only that, we're that to

the other person is it has to be to make it and it does it has to do you have to do

make you you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, that's that you're,

so that, in the illusion of my mind, me tell the story of that if I'm

oh, or with the other person, I don't to the other person, to some

I'm just I'm You castigua at not pardon you. For sure. You castig

and with this you're going to you're going to and you're going to be the pain, you're and of that form,

I'm going to have a power that the other also is a thing. It's a manning.

The ego says that is the ego, but it's and the whole can be,

but the person that suffer is the person that is the auto-impone that barrier of protection

to be able to separate us in the way to separate the dolor is separated of the same and the

essence and the possibility of living in peace let us let me get him someone someone

you got you you did you of a way that really really really done you

don't know a person in a person in a person in which you have a confidence family,

family, a friend, a friend of your account of your card to your credit, and literally you know,

and it's like a person, many people, it's been like a situation, it's exactly because

they're being, and abusing of your confidence. It's a true, a

a violation. A tradition. And every person has a different, depending what he

is going to the time the time the last time in London, I was talking with

someone that is a and that was that was costing much the process of the problem because he had to

pardoned to a ex-socio that he had robbed. But I did, I'm saying. I'm,

I'm, but I still feeling this. And I ask you, what is what you

see this sensation of that I got, me got, that was a tont that

was a have done. So I'd have done. That's the the same. The jury of that I was a tonto. That's stupid. How confi you? How was it? How was I'm history that we're going to that not

that's that's the moment it's a real is what it doesn't dole the rob

dole the story that the story that I'm the rob do you and when you're

you're doing you doleying what you do you what you know it and he

says well but it's that in reality he's he's he to

I'm to put to know I'm he had felt the

money no no no no no no perem no no we

don't justificing the motive for what I know. There are motives that you say

well, it can help me to understand but no has a justification for the

pardon. What is that is that difficult because we're we think we're

giving a person to that that person that that we do we're doing

that we're doing that is that is that we're condonando or

we're we we're we're we're going to we're a question we're going to get a

pause and when we're we're going to we're talking about that's the great obstacle to be able

to bring us to say that's just it's just it's doing oh, me you can't do you

do you're here I'm going to get to you're to get to I'm oh I'm no,

I'm not I'm not I'm no I'm so those those are the what is the

pardon and that can't understand and can let's after a pause. Fex,

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with the power of the Perdon, Clara Naum, expert in psychology, author of the book,

based on the pardon as far on the freedom of the freedom of the And we're all right.

And my dear friend, co-productor of the podcast, Miguel Alejandro Torres. Before to grab the podcast, we're coming together when we decided to come

to do it. And I remember that I said a commentio that we loved it. Because you said, it's that

delicious, is the delicious is the vengeance. Now, let me just just to clarify. No, is that I'm not.

No, no, no. No. No. No. But there's a certain attractive,

no, because you say, that you say, that you a song bigism. To be a

A one bigissima of Diego Verdaguer that, who you listen, no have been that's called, That Suffras More, and Decis That You Suffras More, Of What I Suffry, Amor, Calor, Mendigues For there.

So, you're seeing a series of Netflix and you see that someone violer a person, or he robbed a or a person, and then the heroe

that cobra the vengeance, and at level ego, not at level spiritual, at level ego, a level mental, mental,

mental, at level human, terranal, inconsient I know, and I know practice the vengeance, you're a good man, and I don't don't know, we're

more intelligent than that you know, but it's inegable that you see the vengeance, and there's a part of you that says,

well, that he's so it's it and it's it's a ego, and yeah, and look at the

cinema, that's all a general, I think they're that's things of a vengeance, where the

drama is very pre-decy because from the initial, the protagonist that has a

one little family, has a woman attractive, has a little children, has a

little bit and the right of a person, and he gets a thing to do a form very violent

a lot of the wife, the children, etc., and the rest of the movie is the

protagonist precisely looking the vengars and the he's that he he got

and you getcha and you getcha there there's there finally

the person there's there a tentation you you get

of the realization of saying, you're going the good. It's a good for the issue. And the

theme of the pardon not is about the justice. When we can't differentiate that

the pardon not we don't we don't know because it is just or merceder but we

do we do it we're a act of a proper. We know we're

we're that we don't want that we're living that's a level of

a I'm not so. I'm right. Yes, exactly. That's evolution. You liberate. Because the reason for the why I don't have

givenance when someone has done because I know me me means. No, it does it. Imagineate. Someone does

something do something very hard and that they're clear. No, I'm not I'm justifying under any point of view. And as well,

you know, Mark, I've worked working as a volunteer in the carcels in maximum security. So,

so that not is a thing that the person because the pardoned has been to get to the carcel

and not do not with the society. No, but the thing is a castigo

additional. And the pardon is an act that is only for us. What is

if the person not did more, if the abusator not even he has

brought to but you do you all the days? You're Cargand. You're carrying.

It's cargand all the time. You're going to cost to, live in your mind, live in your heart, you know,

you know, you're in, you know, and you're and you're to get back. Let's let's say,

pardoner, no is justificing or approve what me did or do that or do or do

do that that's not that's the obstacle, not? is doing, it's not so I don't

I can't but there's the confusion but there's the question. No, not is not to approve

or to apply or not. No, neither it's not to say that you

have to reconcilial with the person. No, can't open the way,

a way, a bit of a very sometimes is not a type of relation

with that person and there are amistades, there familyaries and I'm

I'm I'm I'm but from from there relations good

not not really say that not they're not a feldon

a a tap a patte exactly exactly the tapette

the I say if you I'm like I'm like I'm like I do you

do you do you do you you you can you you can't you

you're to be to be that's that person has no control

over your or your emotions no has power so you so the power of the

pardon is the recuperer your proper power with what you have you have a

question a bit of a question, is possible? There's there's there a

person, more said, I'm a person that in the story that I

know all the days to me me made a done when I'm

A good day, after approximately about 13, 14 years when I was about to be my son, I received a time

of other person where I paid a pardon. In the moment that I gave the message, I was I was going to

get a case, Jose Alejandro, I was going to a situation a little

a lot of a lot of the person that is that is the person that is going to do you

your life, you know. Repentice. Repentire. You interpreted that's a, he's like he's

that he's like he'll he's never a right to do. Exactly. Just before the game. Correct.

So it's Injust. So I'm ignored. I'm still occupant of my things, passed the

time and the repent, and one in a situation in that it seems that there's a time of

my life, I know that I'm doing I'm going to have done, but no I'm that's the

day of day of today, then maybe with gusto, I would even I'd say with the person

and he would say that there's a lot of a lot of but I'm in that's not that's not

not ever he's made a certain a certain cargo of a good example. Excellent

excellent example. Excellent example. It's it's like if you could be between the spade and

the and what is the spade and what is the part of the the

part of the fact that I made a fact of In that moment. So, you know, you're just you're doing

you're trying a case or something that's a very dolorous of in something in something

that's just a you for not have pardoned. So, so, no, there's time

for the pardon. Never is a time is that the time is that we're talking

exactly the example that you did The person that, at his days, he asks pardon,

he does for him. So, we'll get him to the initial. The pardon, one, one,

and is a beautiful the power express it and to ask you, the fact that

you have pardoned or no, no, it's not. For more that the

people think it means, no it's nothing. For him,

was discard and to be responsible, the most probable, of his errors of the past.

And, he is there in you, the pardoner or no. Pase the time. And you

you're you're in the situation that he says, he's, you say, he says,

you're just because you're not I did, no I did a time, and he is to

do. You can pardoner it is, or not stay, and each one

has his own times. For so the pardon, from a level

terranal, say it or me pardon. From you a little when we go-evolution

and let go and the juries of valor that we do around of the stories that

we pass us and it's for that is so important and that we can do we can do us.

The only we put the Judice is value, we're we're not so. So in

this case, in the act of to give to pardon, the person

is a count or takes a responsibility for more that is because is to

go and the other person in the mind can say, ah, now you are you

come to give me pardon, now that you are you now that's to be

to because you do you do the desire of equipar

dolor, not So you know, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, and the pardoner, if you've evered in that moment, or if you do it, no, it doesn't mean from any point of view that convalidas, what he did, that's okay, any that's okay, any that's, you know,

or you're, well, what, or you're, you're, or you're to give you, to give me to pardoner. And you're not, you're saying, and do you're not, absolving. No, no, not you're not doing, and what he

did the, in what he did, no? Exactly. The thing is, that when we're going to

get to the level of conscience, that every person does the best in every moment,

us, it's a process. Pasa that we cost a much to think

in some different atrocities or barbarities that are certain people,

and say they're they're they're the they're the reality is

that if they they're different. So, volvying to the new,

Miguel, never is a time. And the most important in this

moment is that you know, you know, that's acceptation for your

own your own compassion, compassion, that's so different to feel pain,

is compassion for the person, for Miguel, that was so for what

he was to pass, and suffered, and he drove much,

in the way and when when it when it the person said, it's like

well, now it's not, the sensations, it's not what suffered, all the

thing, you know, you know, you know, your process. But for that is

important is, that compassion, compassion for you, compassion for you, compassion for what

you've been, that you know, that's a accepter that is that's that's

that's Accepted, I mean to say that no you can't change what what happened, but if you can't change how you know what you

know what you and in that compassion I'd agree with what you're saying Clarita, if you're to include to

the little Miguel. Because the who's the person who is the person that I think that's about,

he's really not a Miguel adulto, he's suffered a Miguel a new. And there's

where most susceptible and more ternito we're in our we're we're

we're able, we're support, we're going support, and this person was a

role that in the world ideal would have been a support and a guide, not a point of

violence of any kind of the little is the really that's really lastimated

and have to be to say, I'm I'm here to say, I'm here to be

going to be going to do you want to to be that would be very important.

And the other is that the The distempo no exists, because the time is perfect so,

in this moment. The pardon is in the hour, not sure, is what is what is

what is what I'm saying Marko, the little little that exists in you, is the

that's the that's the past and is a dolied and it is to get to

with the person adult and the different edities that suffered

and carried with this the pain this is an integration and the

pardon help to integrate the different parts that were

separated or desintegrated for the pain. So, is to say to that

that is a little that is Mark, abacar to

care, and to protect it, is explain that what

what was what was that was that was

that was pardoner, but that no there's nothing that we can change from the past. But all seguir with that herrilla, we're carrying, and

getting it to bea to the future. And something, you know, that when you get that message, you were for having your child? Something importantissimo.

The pardon, no only only do we do do we do, for us for us. For more that I said that is something and it's a I'm a

we've to generations futuars. It's in some what we pass,

we're in the mind, in the heart, in our body, at the

we're going or no, we're transfer us to the generation that's you're

that your child, no, from the because of that's another reason

to leave the It's a reason, not a justification. For that I want to be distinct, we need to justify because we're not, but if that motivation internal, that does help, that us does not just for me,

no, I want to my son carry, and I'm into, because many of the situations personal is to say, no I want my sonagree with the dolor, it's more, or not you But, but it's

a question of if I'm my my son, my he's going to create a

more cause more than you and it's more being more the ball of the

never it's an inspiration not a car exactly not a not a

never because if there something the the culp generate a

and the and the and the of the more difficult

because we're we're we're And then what you're saying is that if I, the day of day or tomorrow, I do a exercise of pardon, I can liberate of that car. Now, you can't do you. And at the

maybe it's like a sebollita, where no it's a single card or a single exercise of pardon, if it's a process. They're going to be 100, 1, 50, or for all the life. Because if it was something so profound and so dolorous, because it was when you were this, I mean, I told you for my

my papa. You know, you know, you know I've parted with the

person to be the time. I'm I'm not a lot of the moment. Me made a car to get

when he was when he came to and the card I'm and I'm and I'm and I'm now.

And who knows what I did it with the card? And it was when I'm

started to start a and then he started and then it's being a process. And at

the more is a process with the you have to live to live to be in one

energetically yeah And you're going to How you going to how you you're going when

when the whole when it's a energy or when you

you know you cause that that's that contraction internal and

you even think you can't I'm I'm I'm that I

don't that I'm I'm thought that I would have preferred

things different but I'm can't have compassion of

No, lastima. No. The lastime us convictimes. I can't give a love,

to give in me, or to the person more young in me, or the person who

who's who has that I that's that I'm that I'm that I'm even I'm

think in the word but I'm going to and I'm doing and I'm making

that's that that's that is mandatory, not is obligatory, no is a

a job moral, no it's not we do do it to make to be able and cutar the cadena

that I'm that's atando unying to the trauma to the pain and the

I think this example to help to help to help it's good that I'm

because I'm clear and not it costs to who who who

who He said, I'm saying that he's going to Exactly. I'm assuming we're sure. We're sure.

We're sure. We're still. We're doing a podcast in live and pay for a manned me.

I'm the experiment. The experiment. We're doing, no, but it certain. And it's very important

because when we're trying something we're we're having the and we're really really

I'm I'm I'm sure I'm sure the the valentia to to get a

the only the only the only the of having got a thing is the first

is the first is the first is the valiant is that that's for so the sanation

and the personal is a different because you have put you in a

little vulnerability and accept that you dole and say oh yeah

yeah yeah I'm dole and it's it and

it's but that's so it's so we'll make a pausita, chisks.

We'll look at the last segment of the podcast and continue to... While you're in the court. No, volvying in the court, we're going to

talk, is that that thing is that's that thing is to distinguish the pardon of the auto-perdon, no,

that is what I was talking about right, Clarke with Miguel, but we're going to make that that clarification,

because in the autopurdon, I've lived, is that in the jugito, the possibility to create to your maximum

level and to make to make to the maximum level. The difference between the perdone and the auto-preddon

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In November, for first in Latakunga, the coaches business real most recognized of the Spanish,

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the podcast of Mark Antonio Regil. We're going on the podcast, The Power

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Dehandro Corp that's that's you know you know you know, you

know, you know, How's how much people are doing, Miguel, how people is listening in this moment,

how people in our, and I think in all the world, but especially in our culture of Mexico,

of America Latina, how many people who are adults are that are there that they're that they're

or the father, or the father or the child, or the fatherastro or the madrastra ideal, or

the other or the brothers and the so how many we've include you, we've been we've been

very, very very lastimated of, the, and how how the moment in you liberates and you, and you

start you, and you're to be in the man to give this little bit. I've been to do with my child and I've done I studied in the same university that you studied in the University of Santa Monica

the process of the, of the little Marko that would have been enchanted to have a different, let me have

been to have a time to when I was when I was raised and I said, I'm your father, I'm I'm here

for you. That relation that you want you, you have to you know, then when I learned to talk to the little Mark, that

was a big person, that's a little bit never had never had really really to learn to my

father and have advanced to other level more high, that is the thing is what we we're saying, I think of what

they're saying, now they're saying, but it's even like to say, what you said, or that we

talked in the podcast number in the podcast number 100, pardon and the gratitude are primos. And we can go ahead of another level, that is to appreciate what me socedo, because

I am I who am I, he's I, he I'm a person who I'm and without a papah with the characteristics no ideal, of the who me took, I don't would be who I'm sorry. And really I appreciate much, who is a... But that's just like

a... A lot of... A few difficult to understand, but I invite to those who listen to not serrar the heart

is simply to explore the possibility personally when you when when I

said in the moment I felt thanks that I can manage

or that I can these tools that I can manage what I can't

manage what we're doing different things but the thank change instantaneously the energy internal and

that's a way to the possibility of the pardon. One question for Miguel, because I know that I'm a curiousity, I know that. I'm and I'm going to be alexandra. Miguel Alejandro, Alejandra, and Alejandroito. The family of the alexandros

have been, with the difficulties normal of the papas, a a little very an example, intelligent, well. You think

that you're the papa that's if you had been what you did you in your

infancy? So, the that's a different in your infancy? Of the

that you don't not you do you have thought many times and the response is

that I think that I'm the same time the risk also also

would be repeated to perfect what you did you because much

many times it I have a job personally with two mezzisos. The two vivied situations very difficult with his father. One was for one side, the other for the other. The circumstances are equal, mejissos, another.

One repite the pattern, the other who did so be totally different. So, not, not, we don't, we don't we're not we're in front, of the situation because we think we're going to we're going to we're going to

learn of the suffering. No, we're not we're going in that because that's the way

to the self-sacrificio and to do you. But when we're when we're when you're

when you passed, when they're when we're we're the opportunity to be what is

the thing the the thing with a end a that no

that I don't a thing I can find in the situation.

Tampo us apuremos. It's difficult encounter it in the moment. It's when it's the time,

and it's perfect when it you know, and it's a sensation that you say, for this was.

No, me, but for this happened what happened. And me abre other

opportunities. Now, to start the podcast that we're in the right to

one, one is, pardoner a person, is to not is to

provide, but is to have to hear that that's to understand that person did so of tergiversated

of chaotic, of a monstroso that could appear that person, he was the better and could

be able to do that I'm in my papa and I'm what I'm what I'm not a

other or a rancor but what I imagine and I think and I think I'm

kind of infancy, have you have been to have been to have been to be

to turn around in that human that's that I'm that I'm that's that's

that's that's that's your infancy because that's a problem mental, so imagine

you, for me that's easy that I'm in a home arosos with problems but amorosos

for me that's not not being a person physically violent because I don't live the

violence me the and I'm because I go to because I'm because I'm the contrary,

he's a other other other thing, Clarita. There's where I'm

that we're that we're where there's where I'm my person to be my father or someone

that's but the person who is and why we're not it's the power of the auto

pardon? Well, the auto pardon for me is the base of all. The

auto pardon because is the base of all? Because we we're we're not we're

we're we're not we're we're we're we're we The people think, well, me pardoned for what I did, for what I did,

we're in the same line. No, me pardoned for the juicions of valor that I did around the stories that were. A few difficult to understand. But imagine-en-se, that when we're going to happen a little bit, we'll come to a Miguel, that with much valentia, put his example, in your mind, created a

story very valid but a little you know I'm not I'm not I'm going

for that is going what is what is what I'm that I'm a lot of

things or I was a I was I was I'm not a not a

man not not he should be I'm should have been

of what what happened. Who is the only that can take the car to

that's the that's you? So, if you you're you you're

in this moment for having you have you as a

good a or like you are what you are

what you have been in that moment is what

really that that that that that that that

is auto-perdon. Then when you told the story said, a little I'm sorry, but it's

a time? You're just you're just that you're a time? It's a new judgment. It's a new

new sufficium So, so I'm I'm a person, because I'm asked me said, I

need to have been pardoned. So, but all what they're saying, every

that says and it should and it is a a is a a so you

you're you're you for those of you of the law that's

created around of the history that's is the auto pardon

for that the self pardon function we we have to take

responsibility personal responsibility personal never I can't say this

because as a time a question the jury, the jury of

the person, this person, me is real, you know, it's real, you know, or do you

do this. Nobody is invaliding this. We're looking the liberty emotional and mental to

do that to do something with our life, to be the door that not

enter more and take actions that not are generated by the anger but

from the impoveration. The The auto-perdon needs responsibility personal. What responsibility personal? It's how manage my emotions, what I do with my actions, what did or did it,

and if I did it, what I'm doing, what I'm doing with the emotions. So, from that point, from the responsibility personal, there is, there is, the autopurgeon. Why many people say

that it's so difficult because not they can pardoner not be perfect not be to make

a error and that not us not a possibility to create because we're going and we

atand us to that error to that equivocation we're we're responsible responsibility personal

we're we're we're we're and we're and then so it the exercises that

we've learned in the University of Santa Monica, that is what we've also in the

story, and you do you do you do you do you know, it's just

that time of me pardoned to me myself for to buy the idea that's

that I'm to have pardoned to this person when me said, because there

there came there's the confusion. Much people think that's being a spiritual

is being a so the moment that someone that you that

abused of you, that's that's he said, he's and you don't

you're not a not a or you're not a that you're should be to be there

a moment, and I'm like I'm all right for you know, so that's not that

being spiritual. Ser spiritual also is understanding your humanity and understand that's

you're not you're not you're not a and not he's a and not not of

that you and not you're to give that because if we're we're

more still than pardoner and we're doing it's from a point that we're getting more suffering, more pain, and we're not we're seeing what

we're going to be to be to put to to let it, to be to really be to let's start and to be aggracred to the compassion is fundamental

the decision is fundamental, the decision to say, I want to I'm going to and I'm going to this.

And it's curious because a one is a one like to get atorado in a something, something you

did you know, and the of a lot of people who commit an atrocities that are by the people and

they're very well. So that's a certain very good. Very good. It's a good.

It's a question. It's a most of that's a point of of the benefit of

the money. No, that's of the So it's like something that is something that

is something not just what is what is going to the point not that is to be who is

who is it's just it's how you want to live your and how you

want to you with the things and the things and the

things because when permanently we we're we're we're

we're we're we we're we're our process our

our life and if the point is to do what

we're doing for us for us for the world, we're living in our essence,

and I'll say the essence is the love. And, and also, you know, that's the

is right. That's it's from the level economic, I think, and also

I've also I've also I've also, how it's possible that

he's a thing, and they're so they're sometimes, and you're a lot of Conscientists that are

destroying the planet and the human and torturing animals and say, and are getting so they're getting so in this that's a history

generates suffering if you think is that's other that's other is not that's just gusgating because you're there's there

and also he's value no, he's all right and you're and you're and you're and you're

just going also the just using the or the universe when we're we're just

a bititititititititit of the photographio of the history. No, we don't we the rompecabes, it's a complete. It's a piece and from there is super-injust.

How I, who I'm good, how my, my prima, who is good, or the people are good, are poor,

and those, et cetera, and that's more and more and more suffering. So, there's also, there's a

other, I'm, no? I'm, me, me, me, I'm, for just to

just that, and what we're just just going, or, or, or, or,

or, or, for to buy the idea of that the life is unjust, for example,

not? Because how we know we know that is unjust really? It's so it.

So, it is the experience human has a lot of things, of things,

of the problems, of traumas, of horrors, and the point is, what we

do we're doing what is we're and how we're we're individual to help

to create a world a world more? A sometimes is something a little chiquitito, a granito of

arena in what we're doing and expand it. When we're comparing and we're being, we're limiting the possibility.

If we're not saying that we don't make that no not. We don't even we need to suppress that

sensation. But turnar with an energy positive to do something to do something to do something.

And so, that not you rob energy. because when I I trap me atrap in those and I

do you see very very soon. I'm very very much to be very where I'm where I'm

so said not one many times many times all day a day, a time and from

I can't produce my felicity. No I produce any money, no freedom,

no freedom, no no compassion. The only that I produce are more traumas

and me make like a little and I put in an ojom is a

a thought that's a great- It's a thing that's a thing It's a super-limitante

no, it's a very good and that's a little and that's, as you know, as it's

little, and no us does create and create, and grow, and it's like, oh, yeah,

so, so all those who are all those that they're all a situation of that a person

that's that they're in- it's, imagine Let's say that they they're going and they're

in the body. Sin approvar. It's not going. It's a not. Approval not

not. Absolutely no. But if not they're living in the time, in the

ligado. In the legado, in the heart, in the heart, you're living

with you. Donald Trump I'm in this moment. I've four

years cargating to. Oye that is the I'm a personalmente and perdon

if there's people who he's got for him and he's really a really for me personally

it's a lot of the thing is and the thing is not saying not say not say no

not say not a favor of that's a favor of what I'm a situation yeah see

in Mexico in the United in Argentina in Argentina they're going to basically

I'm going to do a talk about what with the division. We have to create something

to be positive so we're we're living divideded. At we're divideded we're separated

in our and it's what more dole. And we are more more more effective

as a because if we're not we're in a little little so we're so we're

in Jesus in the Buddha in Martin Luther King in the mother Teresa of Calcutta in Gandhi

in Rumi in who you want you inspire, because are the people who are in

great. And if we think we precisely in that we use to inspire us, we use them to give us to

give us, the life of them is just, right? If we going to talk to justice, so how we can

create? Because nojandonos with all what is going to do we're more enojo

but having a position of an activism positive and in the pro no in

contra we're trying we're doing something that we need and we're not over the time. And has been

we've been a podcast very interesting and I want to thank you and the example

on the table because I think the context for the context

to be a great podcast thank a a good good

and I do good good and I'm much thank Miguel

for the thank you thank you thank you Clarita, Clarita, Naum, where you can find the people? I'm

I'm going to visit my page, clarnawn.com, and you can't do you know, it

is totally gratuit. There you can't be if really you're you're in process,

or if there's a more that you can discover of you know, remember that the pardon

is an attribute of the fertes and that can be to learn. Perfect.

And in the The book, the pardon. The Libre of the Well, Miguel is part my friend, is my

friend, is my friend of the company, in where I know you're not you're doing that's dedicated to

the blogging, but where you can find the people. In Facebook, Miguel Alejandro Torras.

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