El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 142 - La magia de la gratitud

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

La gratitud es como una “varita mágica” que puede ayudarte a cambiar la historia que te cuentas y llevarte de la escasez a la abundancia, del estrés a la creatividad o de la depresión a la motivación para salir adelante.  Para hablar de la magia de la gratitud, esta semana en el podcast nos acompaña Clara Naum, quien es coach profesional y trabaja desde hace años con presos en cárceles de alta seguridad, ayudándoles a encontrar la paz en su interior a través del auto-perdón y la gratitud. Estoy seguro que todos podemos aprender algo importante de este episodio.   ¿Qué puedes aprender? ¿Qué es la gratitud y cómo puedes experimentarla todos los días de tu vida? ¿Por qué cuando somos agradecidos nos sentimos más libres? ¿Cómo te ayuda la gratitud a llegar a la resiliencia?   Sigue a Clara Naum en sus redes sociales: Website: claranaum.com Facebook: Clara Naum Consulting Instagram: @claranaum

The magic of the gratitude. Exactly as as you can't the gratitude can function as a barita magic but a barita that's a bra that

you do the magic to create felicity or to pacifur in the moments more more difficult of the

life. If you practicas the gratitude you're starting a fortalee a forteously in you you're connecting

with the magic of the divino that live in the magic of the gratitude with a

invite very special that is expert in this theme. Episode 142, we'll start. The podcast

of Mark Antonio Regil is a production of RGL and all the rights are reserved. And from

Texas to California, I want to say to one of the consentida of the podcast that

is a great Clara Naum, author of various books, one of them of

the one of them, the person, coach executive, psychologist, psychologist,

spiritual, that and, also, she's a course in this moment,

his master in the world of the doctorate of the leadership and that's a lot of during the

COVID, because all we know about going to long as you're doing to get to you know,

very well. Equalment. Equalment. Oh, the psychologists, the coaches, the leaders, those,

have been super-occuped. I've been my coach more than never, during this 2020,

the coach not have been , I've been left to this year. No, for

nothing. There's been a very important but no. It's a lot of a very profound.

Very profound. It's a year that has been to do to go to get to

the suffering, like the says Eckart and it's a time, you know, it's a thing, you're, you know, it's

into a chaos. And here is where the the thing of the gratitude, that is the time of this week, the gratitude as a hermienta magic, of the call I want to talk about how can't help the gratitude, Clara, in a year where all changed,

all this of the head, all what we knowcemov. Well, precisely, Mark, is when more we need us, because when we're doing, we're in peace, and everything works, and It's just to sometimes we

we'll forget about these things or we're to go to look desperately

in the cajone by looking something we're not going when they're

really really they're more than the gratitude the

virtue of the gratitude is what it is

what we to get to those times. You remember?

You? You? You know? You? You know? You? You. You.

You're that's A ratoncito, he was a place and a one day someone he gets the cheese.

And then a little bit of hisisperated and aferrado saying, here was, here was here was the food, in other

words, as a metaphor, here is what I know what I know, here is of what I'm here is my felicity,

and I'm me that I'm don't go to here, because here has to the case. And the other ratoncito

he does know that someone he did get to someone who moved to another to live.

So I think that's what what we passed this year. So, so the queso, between commies, no, if we're a ratoncito,

it's a mevue so vegan, obviously. That's not to say, eh, that's you know, because if not,

no, no, quesito, quesito, vegan, of other thing. But the life cameo, and where

was the modus Vivendi, or the felicity, or the carino or the systems, they moved and it's

or a ferrarnus to the past, and to to expect to that the things regressen to where

they're or, to be a great-to- but that's a a matter

for the mind human, no? It's a really difficult and the point is

that the point is that the more it is a election, Mark, or we're

in the luching that the cheese vegan, is in the same place

where I'm trying that was desperately to be automatically to the normal, or we adapt we, flexibilize us, and we we're just other forms that, at the more never we've imagined.

When we just the luch of to want to go to go to over, it's going to be different, we're going to do different. And how are we, when we're living, what we're living, is what we're going to get a And the gratitude is that barita

magic that we say, no is the cheese, but there's another thing that also is important for you. And how uses the gratitude, Clara, you, no, for more that you're coach and expert and leader and conferencist and author of book and with a project precious

that you're going to practice a little more along. How has used the gratitude in your practice personal during this year? Well, it's permanent. We, in what you're in the quantity of things of beautiful that you do,

I'm the my, in all, it's when more we're doing these things, because the

life does put in the real times in what we are doing, to be what we're doing, and what

we inspire to the rest is what we apply we in our life daily. So, I particularly

the gratitude, in moments very difficult, is that I've passed many in my life and this year,

many challenges, it was a level conscientious to bring the gratitude to my

life, not as something something like I want to do you, I'm

a morning for example semi-dormida had various things to do, connect me with

different places of the world and the mind I said well, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, to see how we do with gratitude, with a smile. How difference is. A mueka or a sonrisa,

a great. I appreciate every moment. In the camera, of dormit, of the night, I've practiced a day to attract me to bring me to

when a few I go. Sure, because there's a place in the mind that's a, unless we're in

a state of the conscience, cristica, in a state of perfection, one with the universe, with God, where no no pass nothing and it's

all kind of calm. I'm not there. I'm very lego of the sanctity and of the Conscience Christica me has been much to get there.

My mind normally the, I have to be blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. The boceit. The boceita. The story that

I'm going to exactly. So I've discovered and tell me if is your experience or what you do you to the

people that you're you've discovered that if I don't do a tariffy a mind, that in this case is the gratitude, to enfocard me in what I'm what I'm, and

to appreciate what I'm my mind, if I do I don't make a lamenting what I don't think. No, I can't see the family, no I'm going to

go and I'm going to go back, no there, no, there no, there's no, so there's, or let do you a a Tare

that me convene or my mind solita and it is to

get to get a space with things that me keep

the energy. Exactly. Totally. What you you get the

energy. And when you get the energy, you not you are

creative, no you can continue doing what you are doing,

you don't you don't when when I pass

that really I have a conversation with my mind.

I okay, okay, how how how with this? One minute, two,

three, just, let's go to try a different. And so are different tasks.

When the gratitude, well, you know, you know, when it's like saying, oh,

this is me is more more. What I feel, I'm much more.

But in that luch, Marko, that the mind, a lot of the

reality is this. No, me come with to you this into

to do this more to what is passing. So in that lucha, I go to say,

I'll say, stop. Alto, stop, so. How's time we're going to continue in this and

how many things not you're doing for this that's happening? So, all

to start to give to that gratitude that not not just a task, but

something from the mind but is the mind but and it's to communicate to

be a experience, and then we're going to that but it's a practice.

A practice. And you work with people that would have much because to be going to be

going to lastrious Clarita has a couple of years or you know since

when you have been to come to podcast but I remember that you you've been

years in this project where you have been in carcels with

security that they're paying a error that they're a crime

that they commition, and you you're to let's you let's you're

to help to find the health and evolution in the condo

that you're about you about you and if the response

is if how you're about you that's private of their and

that maybe is lamenting the the errors that committed that

he's even in just because there people that in the carcels

that's in the case, that's in the system legal is a question, the gratitude, is a

thing, the thing, is a thing. It's a thing. I'm definitely, but I

go and I'm presenting like something something very suave, not like, the goal, of what you

are the thing? No. The fact, the fact, in this situation,

and has many years, more of 12 years, that I I'm in carcels of maximum security. It's a work of service community,

giving herraments and intelligence emotional for a second opportunity. Because where there no is peace, my intention is to sender the peace. The gratitude us a help to open the way, the pardon, as the auto-perdon, to be able to manage the mind

and all what that's what's what's the people because to what have committed or

what you have been and the encirro and the conditions in the living.

How present the gratitude? Of a way, is to say, there was

something there was something of what you could learn something that

really you can get to do this? And, incredibly many

many of the people with that I'm not this year because it's a few days

before the one of the carcels for the COVID, is and to be front to say, and that you'll

name four or five things of the that they're that they're and that once to start to change

the energy of that person for the gratitude and that the goal the things are minimal

as how today I could do day, I could connect me

with someone that no me had connected, today, I did know that that I

know, I've been to learn things that never had ever had

been that. It's really very powerful and the sensation

that has the person, when a matter that when it

is getting more more more because space in the heart

that's that's not the other way. The gratitude is like a way

direct, an aperture to the heart and a way. And one of

you know, it's more easy to do it for second, third, quarter, is to start.

The most part of the people that people who are doing, he's I'm not

in the carcel, if someone is there in the person, we're saying, we

know, we're doing this, but the most part of the person in a

carcels physical, but many we're saying. Much of we're doing, we're going to be to say, a carcels psychological. A sometimes is worse. Well, there are people in the carcels, Mark, that has encountered that

they're seeing, after of much time, live interiorly, that not want to say that not want to get to do a life different, but they're in peace and

and they're in many people that I've got the opportunity to work at individual, they've been in a carcels

auto-imposed permanent. The gratitude has the the cell, of that's in us,

in how use it, or how we want to we're going and we say, it's a

practice. What is what is what is, many of the carcel

that you ask you, or with people, someone of your city, of Austin,

that's the opportunity to have the year with this person at level individual and me I said, you know, inside of the carcel, he was in his carcels mental, the other people

in his carcels physical and me said, I'm I can't, in this moment that I'm passing by this drama, trauma, moment so terrible and difficult in my life, sent me aggratized. Thank you.

Because I'm in that carcels psycholo. We're going to a pausita, Clara. It's very interesting the theme. Regressando in the pause. Clarita, us will to talk of more

profoundly how to find that you can't get to the car of the

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If I'm in a carcel mental, I think that various that were watching the podcast,

they said, ah, Ama, I'm, I'm in a carcel and that's a carcel

Clarita. Just, just to retom get the thing, how to see I'm going to

be in a carcel mental? Well, if you keep is giving a

same idea all the time and your things are you are focused in something in what

you've been different, in what you want you want to do you don't know you're

trying to you know you're like this person that I was saying never

I can be I'm I'm because you're because you know

that's rumy that something that's that that's that's that's

that it's because it's it's unjust because me to

or negating, no, is that this not is that this is happening, no, I don't know what I accept. Exactly. It's a carcels that's a process. But what you said recently,

a lot of we say, we're saying, we're saying, we're doing, the ensignance like these people, in the carcel,

maybe, past some years, 15, 20, that are incerated or one, or this person that said a reason,

a little more is a moment, or some months, we're, we're not, the fortaleza that we we have

done to to do you know, so you know, so that's focus,

you know, I'm not I'm going to do you think. What can, thank you being,

what they're living, what you're that's the client, of Austin, is because the courage,

it's a , it's just a ravi, for that's very very delicate. This podcast is for

that you do you do you do it's in your life. No, it's to make

to hear the podcast and he You know, ingratio, aggrato, thank you. No, no, no, no, no. That is the voice of the ego.

The aggratismient is something that's a force. Not is something that's a person, why not me aggrate? Why not me

did this? No, that's not a gratitude of the heart. What we're talking is the experience of the

magic of the gratitude. That's what can be. And the key is to use with you.

I, with me. Clarita. with her. You, you that's being or listening the

podcast with you because not you don't you know you're in the false

door and the temptation to go to be to be to be a car

to be a great or a so you see the transformation and when

they're the transformation that when they come to be a through

you when you liveas to you get to that that

that not of not not is It's, within the situation incommoda, there's a

something that I'm going to say, for that I'm many times of the I have to learn

of this situation. In the middle of the trauma, the trauma, of the crisis,

or when you're you're a very or in situations or you've lost

you're not transform in something that's taping the the sentiment or the

emotion what you have to process because if not you make

a level mental and then you all the time with the history, you make a level of emotional and it's making

a down to your health. The point is to look, in that what is what you have in you that you that you have to

thank you. A lot of a thing little bit little bit there's something to thank you to give the

job to the mind to to look that even to that day you don't think I don't know I look to

do, do you do you, something you're going to find out. Like if we're a suavecite, a bit of let's have to

let's have in the chaos in the incommodity, in the middle of this crisis, in the period of this

this pernesty, of this angustia, always there something I'm something that I'm not is negar or reprimed

the tristesse. Exactly. No, negate, nor reprimed. It's simply to start to open

the to live in a form more plenna. And it's our decision. And it's to thank you for those little things. For what you're taking, that basito of water, that

respiration that never you'd have that you'd have taken. For the sun that illuminate your car, for the almoada that you've, and if you not took any of that, for the interest or the force that you put into to put it to be to pass the crisis that's passing.

I remember when when I went to live to the city of Mexico, I'm 23 years. They had

been caught my program of television in the channel local of the television of Tijuana

where I did I didn't have I'm going, I'm not to get to I'm just to get to

the city of Mexico and I'm going to get to live with two people who I'm and I

remember that we went to the supermercado and me I'm a car the most baratto, no

I didn't do you. I bought a colchon. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm not the caratement.

The apartment we ran to have been a apartment in the piece, I'm a carer in the car to carton of the TV,

and there a lot of mys, because it was all the game of Mickey Mouse. It was a game of

a new year. It was a carmita of my camita. But I remember that I was back I'm

going to times difficult and I never a car, and I that was so so long when you know

know you know this when you know I'm that I'm a look at a little I'm doing a

opportunity and I'm every day I'm sure le but I'm I'm a lot of people not you have

a carita there's the is the is the it's the is the is the more car

but I'm a tele I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a teche and I'm

that I'm and the fact I that I thank you I'm that after the time

of the angustia and desperation and soledad that was a coveita exactly. Your refuge. That's one of the

other things to build that's your refuge, what you had. And how, how you did this

moment, Marco, is the experience of a longatitude. Yeah, no, and right that's

saying, me, the way in the the eyes to the because I remember

that in an angusia terrible, no passing, but we had the one to another and every

we had our history. One was a divorceed, and the other every one, we were three locutors

of radio with our history, and we had we were, and we did family, during six, seven months

that we've we've been there, we did we're we're doing it. Exactly, and now when you're

that's you're having in this moment, is the plain experience of the gratitude, is,

is create that Refuge Interno within our If my mind me want to

this trap of not to be not a thing that's there

is a go to go to and get to some to

get me to get to that exactly that that is one of the

exercise that I do and is to try

that memory and that I personally moments terribly

difficult sometimes sometimes I I caught in the labrum, I think that the world that I'd say, I'd say, I'm trying

that in front of mine that could say, well, the values, the values that I had, the sensation to say, oh, thanks,

for the form of the gratitude, the pardon, the connectarme, that's more than what I'm more than what I'm going to what I'm

in this moment. It's like they're they're not you tapas, but you'll They help us

to get ahead. And exactly what you have to say, Mark, is to bring that

memory and to bring it to be in this moment to create that in that space where the

gratitude is connect to the gratitude is more possibilities to find solutions to the

problems for more more duos that I can be more than from from the

Ravia, negation, from there is less probable to find solutions than from a place for the opportunity. For sure. Not only that is more difficult

to find the solutions, but we're we're doing for the endro, because we're living in a state of a luch, a luchy

and a house divided not function. So, in the integration our, a

through the the tool of the pardon, of the acceptation, we're we're

not a gratitude, no we're that we were different, but we

let us we're we put our energy to go to go to

where we're not we're not mean, we're saying that we're saying that

we're not going to but today in this moment, the I remember of what you

I've done is the experience of the longatitude. No, I sent me without, I thought, I was playing

me, I'm thinking, I think, wow, so, that's the point, it's the power divine in

functionation. It's the love of God, it's with what we connect us, is that is that's

more great than we're that we're we're living in this experience human, a lot

of situations, one more than others. but a through this we have that connection with

our essence is what we're really we're really that that's a lot a house

not no the house divided no function it's unidad with me

oneida with God unidate with my semifant one unit with the thing

the gratitude me unes me me open me abre the coming let me

let's be a pauseita and in the The next segment, I want that Clara us talk to one of

those things that's the resilience and you I'llelante the question for the second segment

be resilient, resistir, resistir, one and other way, the gratitude me help to develop

my resilience. All the world about to be the time. The last is, the

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people, of the restinia, of the love, of the pardon, is to this episode. As a mere pretext as in the United is the

time of action of grace, but even if you're in the States, oh, yeah, give the thanks, not is a time of the

year, it's a practice day. This is a pretext to talk of the gratitude, Clarita. But,

but before the court, I said, you always much of the resiliency, and we're always in a year

of resilience. And we're life of resilience. But how is that the gratitude me help to get to the resiliency or to develop my resilience? Well, as well, as well, it's like the resilience is like the resiliency is

because as it's so difficult we have to be resilient. So the point, like the gratitude that is to build the resilience, that is our power interior. Our power

interior is the resilience, that not is the resistance in reality, if not is to get to encounter in our resources intern, the

form of the power of superer the crises that we have and, again, to diminish the

stress and augmenting the resources positive as flexibility, optimism, the humor to be able to

get around what we're living so the resilience that's about a level society if the societies not were resilient they'd

disintegrate. There's a lot of resilience in the work, in the trainingments. I'm doing trainingments

in hospitals of California to be how superar the time of COVID and how to get

to the resilience. The resilience of In reality is the same, because the societies, the work, we have all in the forms of the humans, if each one, we're doing the resilience, we're going to do places of work, communities, societies, resilient. So, the resilience comes to this theme, the part physical, is

is if the couch or the goma, or doble, or pressio, because it resilient or resist, will be a form natural or a form anterior. We want to go to the form anterior? No. We're going to transform us a time of the experience. So is, use this power internal to super,

to start it and fortalecer for to know how to confronts create a level mental

and emotional new resources the gratitude as a practice of area not only when I you've got

you're I'm sorry thank you thank you thank you so thanks so thank so the gratitude

as experience like the experience that we've received the gratitude as practice,

we do to be resilient and I say I'm more the

things the terms of the acceptance are basis of the

resilience and with the accept we we we we

say we're not I'm I would have wanted

that was I think the but I'm the

question with the pardon, I'm short the cadenas and I'm the part toxic that I'm going to work the part toxic that I'm

not to turn to the media environment, but to recycle the gratitude me allienta me stimulates to permanently to be in that

the way of the pardon, of the acceptation and with all this form that that power, that base internal that is the

resilience and of that form to continue in best of surviving is giving us giving

in plenitude more than than what individually or communitariament we're going to and I will repeat because

it's very important without tapar but not giving us not giving but utilizing the resources

to be to power superer And the agatitude is like, the acceptation, the pardon are the semittance, not, to form that base internal. And the agatitude is the water, the fertilizing, that we're putting to the acceptation and the pardon for that they're florecter,

and to florecter, and of our garden internal. And of that form, have those resources a man for when we're going to be able to be able. The gratitude is flexibility, and we know that in times difficult, those who survive are those who we have more capacity to be flexible. And when I'm agradeco, if I'm going to find something positive in the torment, I'm doing flexible. I'm going to be grateful for things that I don't understand,

because to understand not is a requisitee to feel gratitude. I can even say to God, Dios, I know that you are love. I confi in that you are the love inconditional and

even I don't understand a carambas because it's why it's

because I'm I'm know that there's that there's necessary and for

the more the most I'm I don't I don't and I

don't I but from my faith and my person I I think

thank thank you don't it and that so that

my Cerever I not a game of tontos, not is, not is motivation

barata, no, no, no, that's, he says to the brain, a bit,

a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit, a bit, abrette to other possibilities,

even that's, and not you know, you know, it's, and that's a real, and so totally,

you're exactly in the community, and it's, yes, yes, exactly, right,

yeah, we, have to celebrate every moment. The celebration is part of the

gratitude. Now that you said the word of celebration, is really I want to try that this moment because

the celebrate every little thing we need or what we're we're we're

our process of the gratitude. The understanding, as well did you Marko

is, no, it's a need to understand. Not not only only that

many times we're in our of the development, interior, personal, the cresement

spiritual, because we try to understand. In the pardon, many people me

say, I don't understand. The problem is that there are things that are

things that is, it's, it's, but if we're going to not to

that we're never to get. So, so, no, it's not to understand,

it's also it's a question. And there is where the integration

of that house divided. It's like that gratitude us help us a uny the part and a

through these resources we can bring us a possibility different. We can say that the gratitude, those

we believe in God and those that we have a life spiritual, as we say the

love is the essence of God, of the divine of the universe, we'd say that

also the gratitude is part of that essence divine, that could act to

do it through us totally. It's part of the same and now,

now, I think say, I'm I'm a quote, that's something,

the poet Sufi Rumi, that says, that's the Vien of Boryin' Borshensh

that's that I'm never really, Rumi, the gratitude is the thing, the

is the wine of the Alma. Vian Bajen Bajence C.

The gratitude. If If you're to emborachar that's to get to get that's a

great to oh yeah that that code we have we have to put yeah

we're we're we're we're if you you're you're to get

to get to get to get to imagine imagine yeah of

of love but if we we're saying that is the same

it's difficult to receive in our essence that is the

love, without not a time, even we're even we

don't know. So, in this moment, we're we're all

of gratitude. Respirement. Gratitude. And exhaled gratitude. Because that is the practice.

That's they're saying the people, and how I practic the gratitude?

So, so, of Practicant. Exactly. Dicing, saying thank. Dicing

thanks. Thank you. Although not it's, thanks. Although me it will, thanks.

Although me to feel, thank you, and even not be much, to my ego not be

much, thanks, because it's something. And the important for that for the

mind, for the work of the mind, Marko, is that the gratitude

not is associated to specifically the things that we're more that's a

first time but when we're saying we're saying no but if is going to this and

there's the and the division so then it's simply thanks

the gratitude not the great not because for the

mind never is sufficient exactly Exactly. Never is sufficient. And the mind

you say, the mind you say, you know, you know, you know, you know, the

is the person, I feel so I'm so I know, the body,

our houseita, our sanctuary, it's, like, as you've been,

it's, you know, you're you, you're in the body. So when we have

the I'm what I'm the I'm a real, I'm a experience to do you

to get to get. Marivios. Marivisos. If you have to be gratitude.

That's that's a great that. That's we're so we're there.

Clarita, before to despeed us you've been a project in which has been a

refuge for the Alma, tell us of that project of the year of the COVID. Yes, it was in these

moments difficult at a few hours before before a time in my life, after one year,

the same the second that I'm that I'm I'm not I'm a my mother. And there

I think every day, I'm going and I think, thanks that at this situation,

thanks that they help, thank you the thank you, I'm, And Refuge for the Alma, in that moment where

were canceled a lot of events in Argentina, in other other places of the world, from there, go to Hong Kong and Singapore, I said, what I can offer from my with this computerer that I've got to the community of Spana? A lot of support, for that I'm a refuge, because it's important to create our refuge intern,

Refuge for the Alma, where I offer a charlars virtual of totally open to contain a level mental,

emotional, and give processes in a whole that's to come to and it's a gift

to my heart to the person to the life. Gratitude, thanks to God,

how you can't use to use as an instrument and it's

a refuge for the alma for the in this form, to learn

the way, and create our own our own our own refuge

internal where there there is the love, the pardon,

the resilience, the gratitude. So, that is a refuge for the

Alman. Where we do we find? Where we can't find the

refuge for the life? Well, all, all are very very

and can be in my web that is Claranau com. Me

can can find on Claren Aum and, you know,

a consultant in Facebook. And the Refuge for Alma is simply in scribes and receive

a mail and say Mark, if you're in the not desired. And it was to participate

the days on the community Span-American I'm and I didn't get the

call you a letter of a not-desiated or if put you mal your mail

because I get to inscrib to inscribe. Every time is that I do I remember of you, Mark. For that I said. It's been invited to all and it's to create that experience because the point

is that when we create an experience it doesn't be something that something that we need to and there no there's more

difference between the ser and the being an integration and an evolution evolution in our heart. Thank you.

Clarita, like a great, great good to have to the podcast and we're going to be in contact.

Thank you for to be with us. Much more thanks. And a whole time. Felice a year of action

of thanks. Felice a year of action of thanks. Felisvida and thank you. It's a good to

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