El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 156: Mujeres poderosas - Bisila Bokoko

Episode Date: March 8, 2021

Cada vez hay más mujeres que se desenvuelven con mucho éxito en distintos ámbitos, derribando creencias limitantes y transformando la vida de muchas personas. Esta semana, para celebrar el Día Internacional de la Mujer, dedicamos este episodio a conversar con una mujer admirable y poderosa que venció la discriminación y los obstáculos para convertirse en una mujer emprendedora y conferencista internacional que ha roto fronteras. Ella es Bisila Bokoko y estoy seguro que su historia te inspirará tanto como a mí al conocerla. ¿Qué puedes aprender? ¿Cómo romper las barreras mentales que te impiden desarrollarte profesionalmente como mujer? ¿Cómo ser una mujer exitosa y alcanzar tu bienestar financiero?  ¿Cómo equilibrar los roles de la mujer y del hombre, en este mundo polarizado? Sigue a Bisila Bokoko en sus redes sociales: Instagram: @bisilabokoko YouTube: Bisila Bokoko

Every in the world there are women more powerosas people are places

in all the areas, the altruism, the political, the science, the and the

business, a business, a world, and celebrating the day international of the woman,

the month of the woman, today we going to start with a series of various

podcasts that we going to get just to know the story of women

and exitososas that us can inspire. Today, for example,

we know the A young, immigrant, well, of fathers immigrants, of origin African,

that was with many of course that was in middle of the discrimination and that also lived the instability

political, with his father, and that today he did a world, today, is a

companyist international, and, and also, is creator of a foundation that's a

alphabetizar and to get to alphritization to Africano. This is the episode 156.

Mujres Podosas, Edition 1. We'll start. The podcast of Mark Antonio Rejeele is a production of RGL Entertainment and all its

their rights are reserved. Our mother Podrosa is called Vizilia Bocco and she has appeared in Vogue Business in the revista Forbes in Entrepreneur in Black Enterprise and Harper's Vassar

and in many other publications Medios of Communication Confernicist International I've been to Mexico has been in America Latin in many, many places of the world is a woman

full of light and that his vestido color a color and a really reflect not only

the culture of Africa but the sonrisa to be the here to see you

here and have the opportunity to share to give the a world a

story of a inspiration a great for accept to be

here on the podcast Billion thank thank you know so you

know I'm you're so I'm thank very very

many you have a story fascinating. To start, you're a an hybrid cultural. Because, let me, you have, you have three cultures in you or more, three, for the less.

Well, I think that I'm abriot cultural because I'm considered a cocktail between Africa, that are the origins, Spain, which is where I

grew, and the United, where I've created professionally and I've, I've, I've, I've, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm a family, but at the same time, I'm a woman, we're in the family, to people Chinese,

so my brother is a woman so we're a couple the nation's in the United

in the house. What is the market this the commercial that put a people of the world.

Venetton. Veneton. The colors unites of Benetton, I could do the campaign

of Benetton. How was your infancy? Because how is that a new a new a new

immigrant, well, of fathers immigrants, who was in America, I imagine

no many many many people of Pile Negrina when you grew up. You grew up, a girl, Cis, and it gets to transform

in who you're today. But let's go there. How was your infancy? Well, my infancy, the first

that I'm going to say, is a image that me tell my father, when he went to recogern me a day in

the guarderia, and all the world he looked for the case. First, because not

they had seen a never, and the people were to get a baby because for

much people in Valencia never had seen a baby and, for other other side, because

they've seen a man having seen a carrito because it was the only, because my mother was the

my father was the father was the time, something, something that was a very rare in Spain, because it was

a society still very traditional, and be a man to get a his children in the

guarderia was very very difficult to be this. And, well, my parents

both working much, I was much time so, so, then it

was a infancy difficult because my father's two years. Imaginear you're two years in a country where for them was hostile because they had to be completely always justifying who are and it was complicated.

And I in class, was, it was the only girl and I remember a day that me changed on the city and a little, and a little, no, and saying, I don't want to convert me in a negro like she, this is pego, this is pegas, and he

I thought that being negative is contagious. And no they were and the professor and said, I'm going to

go to other city, you know, I get to the college and I said to my parents that had

called me called and what had been called, and my father and me said, I'm

look at the light of the color you're so, then you have two problems,

so with you're going to have to be you're a girl, and you're a woman,

and these two things, not you can be in an environment with much responsibility

because my fathers me said, as being the only if you you're not, any other family that

can be in the negros, all what you do you do do you do a fact. We have to have a comportment

this was very difficult in the in the time of the time of a childe because you

want to do all your friends and I don't know I could go to do you

to do all this because always there always there was like a connotation

distinct And then I had professors, for example, that no me treated too or other people that sentian a certain rechazzo to those Negroes and when I attempted to look

to work, when I came the career, it was super difficult. In that era, there was internet and the people not had to Google for who were who are when you were.

So I'd get to the reunions and they'd for the accent, I could never identify that I had origines African, because my

accent was Spanish. And when I had opened the door to a meeting, and then they were in a moment, we

were just, we'd have of the work to another person. So, well, it was episcas very difficult

and of much soledad also, no? Well, for si, the people, in,

in any place in you've been that you have the nose great, as my case, and, ah, he has a naris

great, or the pale rizado or chino that we're saying, ah, cabo of stropajo, or a face

of microphone, look, and me, and me, and me, they were a good, well,

so, so, the little, is, because you, you're, because you're, you're,

because you're much, so you're so, you're not even the thing of the color of

the color of the and in a country where we know, that until the future

there's much racism, like Mexico there's there's there's and where the boromas

are the are normalised so it's normalized so it's so I'm imagine I'm back

what your your little the little visilla how he'll have done

his and how you've felt in the way where not not only

you can you can't you don't you like you're like

where where I don't I pertenes A extraterrestrial, and I remember that when I read about I said, And you, because you make a negra, God? I'm what I've done?

You know, I want to be like all the world, because a little bit of a lot. Of course, the children, at least, no, they're not? And in my case, other, since that was very little, also suffered

problems of over-pess, because me appelled much in the food for, those The sweet were what most me consoled, in many cases, and the books. So, those books were my best friends and I passed many hours reading because my parents had much hours to set out of four children's ahead, and it was very difficult for them, with all the

pressure that they had on the time. And, well, I, being the major, was, I was also, of my brothers, studied. And, well, I think the food also, I think the food also that's become in a refuge,

no. And your father did you know, your country because there

in Guinea, there there was instability political, there persecution, much,

what there? Well, in Guinea, when the Spaniol did the independence to Guinea

Equatorial, there were two ethnic different. One of the ethnic that was the

Bubi, that's where I think, we've been, we've been the

Spanioles and then those others, was those who were the continent, not they had been treated so well. So when the independence, those that took their power were the ethnicia majoritaria, and then my family, that many people had,

plantations of cacao, madera and all this, there was like another colonization of one to others, which are the programs tribales that trawlism. Then, the enemy is always the you're more close. In the way of putting that

odio in the in the in the in the colonizers, it was put between us. So my fathers had to be used.

My, my, my, my, my abelels decided that had to

get to the first president of Guine Aquatorial decided to start the colleges and the schools

because all what he recorded to the colony no, I didn't know, and then

you, and then you did you're with bullying, with racism, being, being

different to the most, and in times where no there networks and

you could connect with other people and you and in times where being racist

that's not there no way no more that's not there because I'm there

there's but in this time there's you know you got you gotrastic to the

food, you've gotrously how how how you how you how how you

think what I'm think my parents also did never in this, they did it very well, and since that it was very small,

I made them in the books for that I'm that we're not an history, and that have been reigns, has been people very powerful,

and this made much force, because my father me told me where I'm going to do this, that even that's been

that's a reality, there's a story before. So, so, so I think that my father did a much

incapier, and then he said, we never we'd be to beware for nobody. But I

had friends, for example, that they was just that I were a and they're they're going to

and they're like I so so these these people I'm

these are fantastic because they're they're they're the effect contrary so

they're oh you I'm yeah I'm yeah I'd be to be

some of the so I'm so I'm independent that was a life So, although they're

to Riered me, I always always was so I'm saying, but I'm a little my

style of my style of and it was a little a little, I'm trying, and I'm, and at the

end up having friends and it that's, you know, that you the thing of the

racism is very complex because it's so metid in the, in the inconsient of the

people, from where, for example, the moros and Christians, those Christians were

black and the moros were of the devil's and the black were of God. So, what are you saying?

Ah, the devil is a black, or the people malah is black, or always they are the

things good, are black? And the things bad as me, he put a black, no? So, and

also my professor me said, it's that, is that you know, and me grittable so,

so then, imagineate that in this in Spain, that he put a person,

it's normal, and then when I used to when I natural. I made a problem

tremendous. Because he did a dissertation of Isabel the Catholic and I said that

I'm not I'm to know that colonized to the way to the way that she had

made my exposition and then then I said to do and I

said that I said that I said that I was I don't I'm not I'm

not I'm not because what important is the class social I said,

I said, and this I have taken to hear many and the people me say, is that you, for me,

you know, is like you not are the other, you know, is like, it's like there are

different types of negros. The black, and that's they consideran that is that is the

really, and then one, because he has a made a certain manner

or has been to be a certain college, you, now are so this

for me, And I go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we standes with tontedia. I'm a never. Sure. And we're a way long for what I'm going to record to be eradicate the racism of our life. I have friends

Afro-American who me have told me have been through the community Afro-American, here in the States there's a total. If you're a black of the skin more obscure,

they're in, more less than if you're a black more, more clear. For example, Barack Obama, the ex-president of the United considered a black

a black more clear and for the way, in a form, the reason of the real of the people of

the people that were in the case, and they were the house, and they were more clarito, and those

of the outside were more those, when I knew that when the people African or

African-American, there was racism, I said, I don't know I'm going to think to think of my amado, Mexico,

little and dearido, where there's a lot of racism and where the indigenous Mexicans, we're presumed in the television, but if they're in the

table in the table, and so that's aco, and no see what, and no, you know, is that the people of the Tese

European, we call it with people with people moreen, or is, is present in the 2012

still, in all parts. We'll have a way longissim for recorred. No, Bissella? Totally

of accord with you. I think for this is so important, people like you put in the platforms and stories for that the people see,

that's the problem, the racism is here, and that if really we really change our way to think,

we're able, we're not we're flexible, we'll know we're more in common than things

different between us we. Well, we're in a pauseita and when we'll

go back. I want to ask you, I'm going to you know, you know you know you're, how you're

how you're all the difficulties that you're present around, that much times here in the podcast, we're going to

more dolorosas blessings, because they are making you make you get to you know that you're

in the next segment, that you inspire, you know, and you know, what was what

you did reactionar, what was what you did get what you did you do the eyes,

because if you had you've had to have clavado the pic. You had you had been there, well,

you've got done to do you see, I'm overvibing but you saw you go to get the world and

you've done. And you're going to what you did get to start to for you for that

let us and let me. And I want to I'm trying to that the pass number one

to manifest what you to get to learn the path from the endro

is synchronized in the gratitude like a style of life.

The style of life of the way of the way of the time of the time when we're thinking in the

we're not we're not that's what the mind does automatically, especially when there's problems and

there's and there's time of retos, is concentrate in what he has that you

start. And if you that's the only story that you tell you that you tell you

you're you know, you know, you're not you're to make more the bestions

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women beautifuls, I'm very my little my wife a woman divorceyada with three

children, that was in the Mexico of 1900. I was in the Mexico of 1969 and my mom

got to the three children, including me and me, Adelante and solita in that

Mexico of 1970, where being a woman divorceyada no, she be

nothing and I remember that was very difficult, but I want

imagine nothing more and for it was difficult Mexico of

1970, for you how has been the Spain of no-se what year to get

a little after. Well, I'm not in the 74, with what there was,

I said, I said, I said, I said, I was the unica when I was exactly

exactly equal, and in the first work that I'm so it has passed

much time until that Spain has been a country is a much more

different, no, where now it's is but in that time no there.

You have a conference where you about you about you is, if you know you know

you're, and we're always, we know that all you what you not you or what

did you, or what is what did you what was in your infancy or in

what in what moment of your you know, the life

me is giving indications that no I'm going to go to other

I'm going to I'm in what was the epiphant

Or the aha moment, as you said Oprah. I have my aha moment when one day in the chain of restaurants Vips, that I think

that the is Mexican, there was one in Valencia that had to start. And they decided to

put a library. And I went to a book that's called your Zones

Mager I. I'd think that I'd probably 20 years and

the leah and the day it was really really really I found, as a the matter

that I was reading, that I had created a little my life

in the sense of, I've caught many in the victimism

because like I'm not, the people I'm not so I'm

so I'm so I have been a little and then I'm many

people they're not to get in any city because how you

can't they're not in the supermarket or in the supermarket or in the

airport? It was impossible. It's no, there was no reference.

So my dreams, when I was parted with family or friends, they're impossible.

So, what you want in your life is impossible. So, I was so constreined

by that that's so I was saying that I was going, that when that I

said, I'm that I think, I'm my creencies for creencies really

different, and I start to talk to my language, I, I mean, a little bit about the programation neurolinguistic.

How this can do a rewiring completely of your mind and to change the reprogramation mental? Well, for me, although I don't understand all those concepts, not per die nothing for practicars. So, I started to practice this, and then I began to look how my life was changing.

For that, I always, in the conferences, to explain, that if you can't your way to think, you can change your life. I study with economics,

in economic and the majority of persons think that a abogada

where go. But in reality I was one of the work

was in the institute valenciano of the export and I was

the first I'm like I did to New New York and

so was how I'm I'm one of the many companies like

United and do things. This was a little the change total of my life. So if you

think you you can't, you're going to be able. But if you think you can't, and if

you know, the limits are in our mind. If we we're going putting,

I think always that I'm a saltada of the bayas. I'm

not that not is that not you, know, I know, I'm also that in many

the fear me is paral but I'm am I'm going to feel

and I'm going to feel and now I'm going to get to see. And that's the thing. That's the book was fantastic.

And also I think that's your way to think, you're trying other people to your life. So, all these

people are those that I call the vampires those vampires are the people, without that I practically

were actually understand how they went and they were the cheerleaders. The people that were

people who can't and me were opening doors and so so I

like to say that we just a question we're we're the possibility

to do what we're we're there there there's a change your change your

life change your your thoughts change your change your life change your that

that's that book in the CD and and he was I was

I did I did I did I did the audio change your thoughts,

change your life, it's like two two months in my car, and it was

the only that I'm going to the first Wayne Dyer of the great masters.

Totally. You know, so you have been. It's that this is that

is saying is that you're to repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat and

repeat. Because when when you learnes a thing negative negative,

how we we're saying, it's many times, it you

hundreds or millions of so what does it that we're not we've heard that we're a line

a conference a podcast and that we did it have to repeat it for the most the

number of the best you hear the thinking the thinking there's there's neuroplasticity it's like

a plasticity it's like a when you know when you're a moment does it also we've been

sometimes our brains not only only from us, we're also also

of our fathers, the fears, the fears of the kids, the ones, if we've seen as far

our family, that have been a business, that have been very difficult, that also that we

because our mind has the tendency to always to always to hear to your parents,

that no there's that you can get to get to something, he needs to eat,

no, take risks, it's very difficult, so when when you know, when you

are saying, they're subjecting to the cabo for that not you

not not not say that's not a but I'm always

in the sense of in the way of the end of the

other and then how you see you physically because

I was a good in that moment and

many many there there there there there there

there there there there when you when you when

a commercial a a a movie always has been like gracious or

something but you know, but no you're in roles serious, where they're exited

and all of that's different stereotypes. We have a person of a person of a

person of a society for the society much more different, where we're doing us

we're doing that we have to be democratic with all the type of

people or with all the type of capacities mental or capacities

but before it was very difficult with so not, of not only only only I'm

not only I'm not the way I'm not yeah and also how this programation obviously when

your papas and your family and the people near to do not you do it's not with bad intentions you want to

they're so they're so you not it's not not that they're not that they're not that's not even though

these these stereotypes of those these stereotypes are those are very interesting because

not even are the same they're not so I, for example, every every time I'm I'm in the

musices and I'm going to be a art and I'm going to be the art and I see the art and I know that the families of abolengo of the reels

and all, they're black gurditos because in those times it was if you do the sun is that you're

that's working is that you're because you're working on the sun. The rich we're in the sombrita and

even we put them talquito black for putting more black with those pelucas

So, is all the contrary. So, then we know how how much is the

mental is the thing. Because it depends of what is the mercadentia that's

being and we and we go we're we're going and we we're in the

stereotypes. In Africa, when you are you are very very very

not is good and they don't like the women flakas. In

Africa they they the form of Coca-Cola, you know? Ornialita, curgosita. So, when

you're very very delgada, in Africa also you're also delgated and that's connected with the

disease. With what there's there's a country, there's, in Nigeria, when you're

to be you have to get a time to get to come to get to get

a bit in the man to the borgue. So, then this this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, is what

she's going to get, or so, flaquita, at, all, the, of, all, the, of, al, al, al, and, so, imagineate, some of us, we're just families, no. And, and already, and already, yeah, not is to start, delgatita, now is start fit. It's fitness. Now, it's not, now, it's, some, one, those, some, those,

some, one, those, um, one, those, um, one's, um, two, those, um, one's, um, one, those, um, and start so super fit and the tangita and they're all, Instagram has changed the culture of the new account and then we're in a new stereotype of the body.

And that's what you're limiting because if you see doing that, you're all the time trying to be a person different to who is, no? Yeah,

I always think that if you're looking always the valoration external, the valoration of the exterior and you are seeing the current,

never will get to be you, you, never is free and never can't be happy. Because for much that you

go back to that's you're always you're always comparing to someone. And at the final,

we don't we need to compare us only with the person that is in front the person that's

we're in we're not. If you're you're better, you've progressed. And, you're also,

you're a surprise, the stereotype will be a going to be different? Exactly. Totally.

I'm totally of course. I'm in your change is that were many changes. In your

change of the employee or the mentality of a mentality of an businesser,

a mentality of an company, you've used a mentor, you've used to you know, because today

more people want more people who are doing it and I'm it seems that you can't be

because you're a man who you want to be to be a because if you can't be he's,

he'll do do you know, but how you did this change? Who does this kind of

you did you You got you I don't I don't have the mentality entrepreneurial and not

it's something around my family although my father is a because is a person

that no like they do they do orders and the and it is all my mother is

a time has been has been 40 years in the same in the same

something something something something something so that's always I've seen

but I went to my I came to New York and I worked in the Institute of Valenciano in the exportation in New York and also was under the paraguas institutional

with what I had my and practically had to make a person to make sure so I had a a job of a job of I'm an opportunity

to enter in the camera of Spain to States and I did a salt important in my career but also was

quite secure but I was a bit rebel in the sense that I would have done the things

a little a lot of a lot of a lot of there's a government and the structure of the

council of administration and they so this for me was a point of the

because the day that I was in the empire state and no me

they're not and I'm to get to get with the case

like in the pictures with the photos in the family in the

the and that they had to to call to

my mother because when when you pass something so you

call me, you know, and I'm going to say, Mom, me I'm done a lot of and I did a question of that my own, and I did count of the much of the game, they were to do.

I mean, I thought, well, I'm going to try to. And I wanted to, and I had panico, no. The second, the panic. Why? Because, because had grown with that chip to, Busta, Bucca the security, busca something that

is stable, and also, I mean, I had two little little, with what I was more vertigo still. So, I did my business in the kitchen of my house, and my secretary said, I

came to me, at the few months, with the time, and so we started this negotiation of a little. But why I think I think that the Crencies can't. Because my

attitude had changed. I had a attitude to say, this will be a going to

get back, this will be able to get back. When me chasoling, I was in

Spain, celebrating the year, the and a time, I was

to be a cliente. Because, because I was convinced of that going to

get going to say, I was that I told the story of the story,

the why you do you to be to be to be to be because because no you know, because you know, because there's

because no. I'm focused in the why yes. Because I'm going to be free, because I'm going to say what I'm

going to gain money and the money will be to go and I'll go to get to be many because yes.

If your porches are more than your because you do you do you do you

do you do you for me for me for me did it did it that

not means. That not moments, no there are moments difficult. It's a bad because

as an carretary, because it's a carretary, but the attitude, it's a mentality

positive and know that that's a curve, that's that you're to start, sure that

every that you're all that's, there's there's the way. The great difference

not is that the people that's that's set a lot difference is that the

the MEDYO. And the people that is that the get the fear of the fear of the

mind it's not the time you know, not you know, the time the virgin of Guadalupe that I am

and I'm and that I'm there and I'm there to do the but I say,

I think that also, I think that also, I think that's important to me that I'm

really a lot of you and think in you feel in what you think it's more you create

that you It's, it's like the religion of the way that you're the creencers, the creencers, have a lot of you think you're going to be a man,

you can't have a man. It's a perfectly clear and I love it. And talking to a preencers, I want to start a poste

I want to serve the last segment of the podcast with the questions for women who want to have to have

that ability financial, and that let us a little of things like feminism, machism,

and what is the equilibrium that we can to find in a world in a world that divideded, in which we're that we're going to but this division that

is doing even into the women is very interesting. So, we'll be able to that after a pause. And before to continue with the podcast, I'm saying that I've seen that

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Now, of the the people we have to have to have much careful, because they're going to

change very very fervous in the world, there's more more women and there's many more women and there's

there's a lot of not a lot of not only the women black, but the woman that's in Mexico I've created in a country super machists

where the most women you're teaching to be machista. So, feminism, machism, what comes to your mind when you when you're

a question that you can't give to do to make a woman and women and not I don't not me

like the ismos you know. We're going because I think that the people are the people are and I think

that they're not going to this is not it's not we're not we're going to change

nothing if we do we do we do we do I am of the people that think that

all we have a energy masculine and feminina. We all of a father and of a mother. That's

so we're so we're that we're that part masculine that we're like the feminine these two

energies only function when they're in equilibrium. Without equilibrium, they're that's

so while we're in this war, it's very difficult and I've been

working in the theme of the diversity of the gender or

and I've done that the best companies are the when there women

and there have to be an harmonious, a ball harmonical between these two energies.

Because we we have both characteristics that well that are

very I think I know men that that the women have

the women have the right and we don't

put to all the men and we think

for we don't don't this type of this

type of discurs that I'm doing because what we're to do soles? It's

we need if the men still are in this case the power in the majority of

the people, I think what we can do we can't do we do not one's

for that we've we've got many really really everything in the

moment in the moment in I'm always that I'm to talk to

talk to me to bring me to the people I'm my

I'm my a little. And my job is empodernar those two. So I think it's a responsibility of that we're

and the families are equips. My marido knows that I travel much around of the world, I've been

many things to do a part of my team for me. Without him, I don't be there. With what

what I think is important. I have three brothers. I've created in a house with a house with

my children. But my parents, if I had examines, my to say to my

brother, hey, frega, you know, the time, you know, the time, that your

time, it's a bit of , I'm going to make a little the time. So, I think that for us

different to the differences, it's in the house, in the education. And this

depends of the parents, and the people, we can't create to our

children with these stereotypes that markedos, no? I think we have

to do this change to be a woman. So, I

have a woman, very very abierto. I'm with the movies,

I'm going to my stories, I'm about my mom. To be the father's my father's a lot of

because I have carency of energy and I'm doing a lot of my mother that's not a but I'm not really I'm a lot of

maybe me attract much more to be more to be around me a energy that I know the energy

like masculine secer, the man is the energy masculine is this that the that's this that's a

that derunba that more more bellic or more aggressive and the energy feminine is more to nutry

to cultivate of, to love to build but what you're saying is that obviously to

obviously to have to like the Ying and the the energy to the men to

the means to to women, to the women, it's convoying to develop their energy

masculine in the equilibrium that you come back more. Totally. I think that as a company,

as women, if only are a woman, you're a person, put it on, we don't, we're having that

capacity creative, and we're, and, but then then we're to have to this,

you know, you can't be able, you know, but then you're going to do you get to

that, the energy is more masculine, the energy of action. the energy of being a strategist,

the women, we have to be afraid to the finances and the numbers because from the kids, almost all the kids to the seven years they decide that not going to do

make mathmatics and that don't want to be engineers, and they're doing this. And I, I,

I'm that I'm working with kids in the technology, because if not they're going to get to be in the world

that I'm know that it's so important that we're that webrace the energy masculine to us

the women, because we know to conquisting a part of our brain, we're doing the

math, I don't know, I'm not sure for the numbers, no, so you know, you know,

you know, you know, so I think that's important that we're not the two. The two,

you've met to the world of the children, the world that was of the children and that now

to be to be able to work, Forbes, entrepreneur, black enterprise, has been in conference,

you're doing to help of companies to grow and develop the numbers of the companies that mentioned

after a lot, what has been the difficulty more of the world traditionally dominated by the woman and the woman and the

woman black, it's the man, it's the man, I'm going to tell you a anecdote.

When I did the interview for the camera of Commerce of Spain to States, imagineate

I get to the interview that had to the light, and I had six seven

after the light and was a good, it's a good, so, and I'm in the

and I'm 40 a person only that's and I'm sorry, I'm imagineate, I was I was sent to all the horses for that me comiering

with potatoes fritas all the days. So I'm going to put chula. Well,

in Spain Chula means that I'm to put that you in the reunion,

I remember that one of the consoheros me said, hey, well,

you know, you think you you're you're you're you're you to do?

So, then I'm a man, you're too? I'm not, because if I'm

sitting down of you you're because I think it I'm that I could be

not you would not would not 40 people if I think that I can do this job. That's

my response and during the seven years that I'm doing the camera and I did I'm the camera and I was the

most young and I came with 31 years and they were 50 to 90 years so then also depends much of the

women and never I've problems of assault sexual or nothing because I think it's very important

that you you see as a person professional and they they're they're they're going to

they're going to sexualize the socializing the things because you you're you're and with this

I'm going to not I'm not there many people but I talk about my own own

my own experience my ideas, and I've always also also to do some

many many things that the women sometimes our energy feminine.

The problem is that we we've tried many times to manage

the things with with the energy masculine. And we're not we're to come

because you're not a good. A very example. A example, a example

of a strategy different using the energy that my jefe,

we're going to do this in the reunions because we're we're because we're

we're so I'm the other to put to all the people to put a

other I'm going to all more and I was to come to come a month and

before the council of administration exactly and the idea was of them, not my idea was,

not my and that's very feminine, because my mother does with his children, when she wants to get to

me, for that I'm to talk with my brother, and at the final, this I think is our

intuition feminine and we know how planter these things. Well, I think we're

when we're in our we're we're to make in the men, I don't

me going to put the corbata. You know, what I is simply

just from the part feminine to think in feminine. And we think in things in

women's very for solucionate and when there when there's when you're in a council,

and they're all the people, you're doing with men that all right. So, there is where

there is where that you're to start and start and start tourear for so say to say it, ohle!

Oh, yeah and you think you you're going to give to the equilibrium but urge.

Urgen more in the politics, urgen more in the businesses, urgen more in all the things.

You think we we're going for good way? You think, in 10 years will be very soon

to think that will be going to the forces and the influence feminine and masculine?

I am very optimistic to I'm very I'm sure, because every I'm

I'm going with more people that people that are exactly what they

want, because they're because they're because no has done what she would have done to do. It's very difficult

also for the family. Those children are not so much, the family not is very. One of the one's got to when he

a camp or other person for that also when they're doing two signators together, then the family

live much better. I think the the woman is 20-tant kilometers or 50-tenths and a lot of

people, this inconsience of the people of of the beaithes black who just want to to be able to

start and conquist the world and, I mean, I'm said, I'm sorry,

but in the political we've seen in the time recentes no, of capricos and of

playtos and like a little little that's a energy that's an sub-desoroyated

that's a yeah, I mean, it's time of that it's the past yeah.

Yeah, let me this is of another single. We're we're going to move

us to get to I think COVID has been a great master, because in many cases, we've seen that the women have been solucionated

the countries. I mean, let's for the cases directed by women how have gestionated also the situations of crisis. And I think

that the women, in situations of crisis, the fact, the men, and children, and children, created by

one mother only, are always successful, more exitos than those who have been

been given by a father if it's father. So, I've provened much because

I'm doing women in countries in ways of development, and many have four, after six

children and they're all and they're and they do they're doing so much so that

magic, that magic is, that power that has, that's that we're the world.

What what you can't give to give to any that's that's

and that's with the runn't to romper the caskaron, to start, to go ahead but that

still still has a little of a little a society traditional in the, in the way we

we've been because we're we're having family, all we're we're going to be accepted, and still

not are the doors at par in par, to who still have a bit to get a

to be a answer? What do you'd do you the first is that

the Exit is to be to be able to the morning taking the decision of what you want to do

the life. The exit not is only for the money or for the place that you know,

that's number one. The exit is looking all the day's to be you know you're

authentic and you're doing all the day is what you do you're other other other things because

it's in our hands, this is the single is the single of the woman and

we'll when we're when we we're when we're And the first is that if you have the opportunity to help another woman, put the scale to you, putle the

the escalator for that the up. Quantos more women we're going to change the narrative of the history of the woman. For the time, for me

is important that I always, my compromise is to put on the way to put up you to put up you're doing and that you

don't have fear of the fracaso. From very little, we're not we can't we can't

make sure to be perfect. There to be quite and delgidim, and casartes super well, all this. Oblivete the perfectionism. The perfectionism

you limit. It's super well to be equivocers. And if you can't, you'll govests to get to get, that's absolutely nothing.

The fracaso is a part more of the way. And I think that's important that you don't you can't you know,

you know, if you do you do it to do you and road to do you about a group of people

that you support. It's very important that not pierda your energy, with people that

make more little more than you're in because they're always like to keepgating, all this type of energies

out of a group of people who do you need, and get you help, look at a mentor,

people who are people who are people that are in that you're to gohan in the mind,

because the mentor, their work, not only just to give us not really so that

good, thank you very, I'm very thank you very much, I'm very your

exit as a professional, as a entrepreneur, I know your your mark property of your brand your

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