El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 191 - ¿Nos quejamos del racismo y somos racistas? - Yalitza Aparicio y Ana K. Suárez

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

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If you are of the people that is a part of the change to be a problem with the discrimination to the

women or a other group, with the injustice, with the oppression to the indigenas, you want to be part of the this podcast

you will like to look because from the Museum of and Tolerance we'll our great Yalitza

to Paricio, accompanied of a great abogated to a Nacatiria Suarez and together us are to

inspire and how to be part of this change of this 191, commens us.

The podcast of Mark Antonio Regil is a production of RGL Entertainment and all his rights are reserved and all the

list of the six women most influential in the world, nasid in Tlaciaco Oghuriously Indigena,

docent of profession. It's the second woman Mexican in being nominated as a first of a Oscar,

after Salma Hayek for his interpretation as Cleo in the film Roma of Alfonso Quarron. And,

is activist for the rights of the women and the people indigena. Anna Katiria Suarez is one of the abogas most influential and determinants of Mexico, licensed in director for the university Ibericana, author of the book in Legitima Defense, a member of the mechanism of protection

for the defenders and defendersors and defenders of the rights and periodists and fundator of voices humanizing the justice. Yalit Zapparicio and Anna Katiria Suarez, are in the podcast. What's good to have two women,

uh, Mexican, empowered, and fervous, activists, and very valiant. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you for being.

Much of your thank you. Thank you, Mark. Thank you for, thank you. Yes, Anna. Yes, thank you. We're doing

so much to be you're not. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And that's my first question. How,

an actress Mexican that is in Hollywood, how is a superabogada activist that has literally salvated to

women, protecting them and giving them to know their rights. How is that connection? Well,

exactly for that. She is a woman that's a strong that's a allient to

continue to and it's that example of a woman empowered. And just when I

start to look to like, I need, I need, I need, I need to inform me

about the cases that are of feminism or feminists and all what So, it's so much

He goes to his book, which is a book in where when I was reading and when I know it, I interroged, I asked,

where I said, you're saying, you talk about the things that I'm going to think that the age that I've lived, no

I can't think that I'd have my rights. To this level, I had of the rights that

you're about you about the book. So, just exactly is that for what we

we're, we're doing to know to know because as as being a lot of the rights

of the rights of the women she is my example to continue. So we're we're doing community

community and our community and our so it's yeah the fame and the you said

well it's good that I'm good that I'm good but I'm my

career for other things for other things because you know the discrimination

in Mexico is like like like like like to the

accentos of the little communities so you looking responses you can't

the book, you know, tell us of that book. Well, it's a

story real, it's a narrative of what you live being defender of gender in a

country, in a manchista, misogino, patriarchal, in where it, but it's very right,

that's that's, the other me said, Anna, is that not all it's not all

if it's not all were a machismo and misogynia, then not have We'd have been

constantly of feminism. But it's a case real of a child that in legitima defense

he's a coo to do you to do a guy and they they're they're

they're and the city of Mexico, as the not is, this, not

it's a quite's delit and he's and let's put in

preysed to get to the violators? She, so, and he one

the one the one had uh he's been a few minutes and she

she gets she gets with the police to ask you and the police and the police

and say she said see see here come here you're

that you're but resulto that the guys and those

police and then they they're they're they're and when there

no there's no that doesn't that not even not

that in Mexico in Mexico in Mexico in you're no you're

no we're we're beautiful. The thing is that the operators, well, and that we're not. And that

we're just what he said. And there's the first problem, not to know our rights. Because are we are the politics

publicas that we have done we're doing, and when we're going to provide us of these rights, like I say

Yali, and that at final, the not proportionar nos, it's a scudor more for not to be able to

them as this chick, so this chick, this childing, she, she's she, she was the victim, and of sequester,

the accuser, and a accuser in domicidal when when we have a legal defense, even at cost of the

life of someone more. And what was? I, I did the case on Facebook and contacted to the family

of this chick, of Jaquiri Rubio, and I converted in her abogated

and was a martyrio as always I always said, it's just just,

it's being victim of the personer from the state. You've heard that,

you have yet you've been to be doing the people, they're in a

manned I'm a manifestation, the manifestation for the rights of the women's you're not

they're to get a and they put you're to make and there and there's and there

they're and there they're but for to vary the fiscalia fabriced three

delitos and existent and we we're we're we're we're we're

we're we're those or the we're the opportunity to give boss

to others we we're we for the authority, to give lessons of the sometimient, that at final is

a form of to exercise the abuse of the power. No, you have to be to go to get to you

to occur to open the book. Now, we're here we're here in the 10 million of the discargas of this, because

it's the people and the people are in the indigenous horrible and the injustice is horrible. A. A.

United, that's racist, this Europe, what racist? And here, I mean, I'm quite clear that the

indigenous, we're presumed in the cartelers touristicas, visit a Guajaka, visit a Michoacan, or in the, you remember the

campaign that there's a one staria more of the channel of the colors, and our magia, the sabors, but in,

the, they're using, words horrible, it's discriminates, it's Trata mal, the things that

did you and Tilla Lisa I mean me did a really a tristesse

as a when I when I saw the when I'm my people who had me

people and say how you manned it's a chister way but you is a

it's a you're making it's a discrimination and you're and you're you're making and you're

not chistos oh you're saying complice you're you're you know well

no you're well No, I put the No, I did put the alt. I did it. It's that all, exactly. If you don't

put it at the alt, you know, you'll get in a complice more. It's the same that's the

same. With all the all the just during that time, well, I was just me gave a

count of the careent that was in our society in information, that you

had a point to use words when when you even know never know you know the

thing it was just at the first of it was Unfortunately, my profession me led to say,

this is the study because in the school not so does know, or not he does a question and like I was, and I said, what's going to

what's the system educative? I think there many things that are in the society that should be in the school for

also that we have that we have that we have done that we're now that has passed the time and I

know of these the other things or I'm going to I'm inspired. I'm going to do you know,

well, it's that now it's moment to start to sit and you see a smitha or with the fear.

Because just if they're in you're oprimen, then you don't do that example to the

society to say, well, also, you're not, then you're to make this fear you to make this

fear of she, no, she's better, well, no, we're,

we're better, we're not, Look, words that I have here in my notasism,

classism, discrimination, violence of gender, machism, the lottery of the retrograder, no? Bienvenito to Mexico.

Bienvenito. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and it is that Mexico only is that

but if not we're about this, never we're going to but it is that all the thing, is that

the community originaries or the feminism, no, what the past is that repression, this oppression,

this oppression, that's generated at through the this is the way that we're not to

talk about that we're that we're that we're even not having it to make it would be

to know how I'm so I'm do you do you do it I'm to put

to get to get a important she's she's a good and the education and

the power perciviors of the children and can can understand and know

how respect to other. Simply, no me important if you're just with the abort or not, with the matrimony equalitarian, no. It's the respect to the other,

the no, you're more than nobody. No, your life no, it's more than my, nor the other, and the knowledge, and the power to be the rights, not only to the society civil, but the authority, is what could be mark a route

from that they're little, because there's conscience, no, and not in this state of, literal, of the war in the case. And you've have lived that, no, Yalice? I've, repitual, the words, the marvellousousalasant words, racism, classism, discrimination,

violence of gender, machism. Yes, I've lived in all the aspects. I think from the initial, when I was in my community, I said, well, it's that it's a community more small, we'recement of a certain advance,

but when you're going to you know, and you knowces all what is going to know what's going to do you know that just I was about here in your community Chiquita, but it's a

level world. And I think, because all those those things are not of our country

unfortunately, but it's not going in any any part. But just I found the point

to say, well, I don't want to be complice of what has repeated during

years, and if I have the opportunity to be here, I'm going to

talk about things that are necessary and just when at the first

when you want to continue with the actuation, it was like my heart of saying, yes, it's beautiful, but also it was the dolor to say,

really I'm going to do to do this present and what's going to do to do. So my response was like, no see, no

see, no see. One of the force was like, okay, this, me can't be funer to

talk to the things that for me are interesting. Every can't talk to what he interests

from the area in that's the area, so this is my opportunity, if it's something I really

I really want, then you if you're going to the platform that you do the actuation, the action you do the platform

to do the platform for a part of a activist. Yeah, totally. And also because the, the having

lived so time with the idea of my profile, for my origin and for all what I had I waspired

to a place, I had led to say, well, no, no,

no, no, no, I don't not even even had given the when I

had given In automatic, I said, no, no, I don't know I'm because I don't see a person to make me. But when I had the opportunity to do it, it was like, clear, no

I took the right to be the way to be there. Because no there was a representation. And if now I can say to the

people, you know, and if you want to do you, because the actuation is something is something really. Really,

you get in the alma, to play with different roles, give a different characters, and transmit

messages that in many of these projects come, because I go, there are different type of cinema, and are things

that I'm going going to go and I'm going, well, but just it was to find that fortaleza and how,

investigating what women is, like my great Anna. That's ironic that in a place where the majority is

a morena, a moreno no could be a sonar with a star of cinema television in

their own where the where the majority, if we if we could we

want to represent to the people, was it would be the 50% of the people that

out of the people that's should be indigenous, indigent, moreno, is part of our essence.

Now, it's inevitable, I want to ask you to don't know that I'm this, but, I'm going to

ask me this, because it's a I'm sure you I'm doing courage, me noj, when it was there.

There are two occasions in the theme of racism, for those I've been nojado much and

have been to to not say barbarity in the radio social, because apart it was to go

in my telephone and it's my phone one. One, was when Barack Obama was president of the

United. I said, I'm aphro-American a president a negro, so, what a great.

And, I was, I was I in Arizona and I started all the stations

of the radio-conservators saying that Obama is the anti-cristo, that was a signal

of the apocalypse, that is that was that was that was that was the

people that said the locator, the Christian, those will

not no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

thank you, let's the question, no, and it's a person, another thing, that was a one,

in the United, and I when I saw what, what's what's what's the character,

number one, the personh and I'm, and it was like a second mama for me, it was a

manita of the family, was a Maya, it was of the surest and it was

like the second abelita of all and it was part of the family.

So, then, well, I mean Petrona, and I was called, and I remember, and I remember, and I mean, I mean, I came in lachrymas. So, when, and I saw, and I was, and I was, and I was, then I said, wow, what maratia, Jalitza and all, and then I'mposed,

and I'm trying to, the sartre, let's do, let's do, let's do you, of fault, of respect, of, what does pass? We're, we're, we're, because those chists, because, I mean, to, I mean, to,

if there's a grader of deception in the world, in where we're saying, I thought that this had been said, I thought, that this yeah no existed, but in a repent, it's like, you're gonna quit, you, open, the cajada, and

all the cochinada, and I mean me me broke the heart. Now, I'm gonna imagine, what you, Alisa? That the people of your country, and did those things, you, you know, you're just, you're sad,

in some moment, what was? For sure, that's, you're sure, you, you're sure, that, in some moment I'm my

my advantage was my advantage of was this I'm really about you're doing you're in

you're not you don't you don't you're not you don't I'm

I'm going to the people there's people there people who and for me not it

strange but get to that level and know that for the rest of the society

in this moment was a but when you're when you look to be

all the you're you you're you continue because this

not you have to repeat and also you know, in the process, you're going

to be able to people who are people of different places, that at the moment of talking to

you, wow, this is like what I did you believe. And you know what

they've lived in their time, and for example, Daniela Vega,

that is trans, and me comment about what she went to when she came to presentar

a, um, and he said, is that just is that just is that,

for what our society no because much time we're still we're still because we're not said before he had a pudd and all the

thing today for the most it's just about the other people and the people take more more conscience

but I think that is that I'm not I want to that who can in this came in this case for

the same I want I'm I'm sure I'm different because for that I were here

someone more did this no was something that I initiated, are things that years after, someone has come back the time, it's growing and it's going, and it's going to, nothing

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Where they're they're in you're you've used to have to have to have to want to

things in those and I'm sure I'm sure you think in some you've been a bit of

you've been not of all? No, you see a deception of our system educative. And I'm like,

I think, like that's the question, I'm sure, I'm going to I'm a no see, in my

house, I'm always what we're in the things that was the money that my parents

was the people were done that and just it was what I wanted to transmit with my

students, no? They're in children in the kids in the people who they're in a lot of

people who these kids of this age, they're in the society because all they're a puresa nat and not.

And get to this level was like, oh, in what we fall we're in what we're in the education not

only depends only of the master's, no, but it depends on the society and about in

the houseita from the but in a certain if you you feel

you're culpable as a docent to say, what I did Mar? And even if,

not are the children, that I would have done that they're doing that you know, then you

know, because at the end of your own a student. And it should be to be

a matter in the school. That's part of what I had to be a part of what these words, how evita the

classism, the person. Ah, but if Is the a If someone that's a person Like the virgin Do you know,

it's in Hollywood? Uy, no, the crucifican. What would be Because What's the What's, Fiatte,

what she says Yali is, I know, I know I know I know, but but from

because because they're to know that these conductas this, it's

not that they're not that's not, it's that when you're when it when you're

a person a little sensible or a little tolerant no need we need to the tolerance

of nobody there's there's there's kind lasivas for the person of the front is a

delito is a discrimination exists the copred the conapred the discrimination per se

for race religion inclination sexual any appearance physical

it's a but it's a delit in the in the country if they

didn't a in the in all the fact that not

have access to something that's the the reflex of the deletion radica in a result

formal that is the psych-emotional if I show to the authority that you have said you

have been a transit discriminatory and me affect emotionally you you're going

to be a reclusory and the people know is like when when they're

is that my spouse is a little so he's he's a womaner your husband is a

person is a acetypia is described into the violence family. If we could understand

that this not is a condescension the people that's a jolitsa in social, they're

going to get a directly they affected and you find the people, it's more

it's more, it's a technique at it's a look, and many, many, many people are

so many people who are so the other because it's a platform fast to offend

to find to discondida. A They're not. Because no, not. Yeah,

never, never in a life they're front of to say, front of you, and say,

what they're saying, what they're not, because just the social, it has served like a

caretta for to be to be around. And it's a convert normal, of what you're

to crucifical people, to try people, to try there's there, there's,

there's, there's, there's, in a culture that, in a culture, that not it

doesn't, it's not a thing, that's the the of the other that no

it's the circumstances economic social, of what it's for me, if I'm to do I'm

up to the trend of those who they're not, I'm amidient accepted. But the

the worst of the ignorance is not to not to be that if I see I'm a

person, you let's the person and all they're all the stuff things and all the stupidities that

were the stupidities that's I'm you can't I'm I'm sure. I'm not I'm

Oh, that's how chisdoso. There's a... The entry of your company, as you're doing chiseled, they're doing chiseled, the al-a-lado.

But if no, he's not the other, because he's important, you know, the next can be that

that's doing the chister. It's a mother. It's a woman. It's a person.

You, you can't do this do do this so cussed, the same victim of that this

discrimination and the bullying and the misdire. But just what what

What the is the fact of empathy, no? And, and also, something I always have said, no

you need to put you in the sapatos of the victim to understand what is going, because a sometimes you're

going to get very great the the sapato. But you need empathy to understand what is that situation,

try to comprehend. And many times, even, also, something, also,

you know, you need, to your woman, to your wife, a woman that

you know, you know, or that's a little to do a thing to do you know, you get to

get a person agredita. It's, only have conscience, have empathy, and reason to what is a

system patriarchal. Yes. We've heredado of the government, of the religion,

a sometimes in our same family, a sometimes, our same moms

us have to be machos and us and us and we're doing things

and the things and the people, we can't let's let's let's

let's of papa. A what I I mean. Mom, or Papa. Mama or Papa. Yeah,

but it's time of that all, or are you think we're in the point of change where really is

really that's this system patriarchal and try to the women of the people and don't know

to think that the indigenas are less than the people or that your color of

people are better or think we can we can be we can be we have we have to

we have the resolution of the where how many years has judged to for making marches for levanting the voice in favor of the despondization of the abort

that nobody has to give to pay to a woman that aborte. It's a good. It's a good. You can't do do you doxercise and what you consider

for your life. But the advance in that, the discriminalize to the women is that between women are the worst

that's the people are the not, no, no it's a culture machista, that not we can't let us make us

to get to these cotes of I'm going to be able to be able to before the people who are in the United. It's in fact, in the case you're going to represent those for violations, that before you're even a woman, Ibro-comvias, no? Because you're bestied you can't ask,

and is that for what you know, for you see, it's that you is that the way of the actuation,

all has to have to be to be to be not going to be so, that's the that's like,

that the women's that they have to tap complete for their own. Because you it's a

theory that's the thing of the victim provocator of the years 30s so yeah

all the all the people who are the people disinformate disinformation and conformist, comodina,

and all attend to the disinformation. No, and is that is essential to partier from from, I, I have done, and I'm,

and always, when we talk about these things, they say, well, is that, sometimes you know,

and I go, look, is that is, it is something, it's something that's a lot, because we don't have the

question, no? We'll never, to the same, a question, but just I was, with them and I said,

look, here in the house we're not in the the time not you for a man

or you for a not a certain to be because you have to learn what you

be essential for the other. And also something that's always my my papa

with with you when you know, when you have a respect. No,

because you have your because you have a mother, no, it's a woman to have

to be to respect and if you just you have to accompany her,

but never to never to never to be in our society the women are more a lot of the

you as a woman, you're not quite, we're doing that also, we're there's just that form, because it's

much that in the house, it's that, no, you know, you're not, you're, you're going to

cross a but, but not they're, where they're, who's, but who's, who,

but, but just, and not, and And no, they say to the baron, like, what is what they do? Amarrat, or we're going to internar. If you don't have a capacity of repriming his desires, then we're going to have to

in an institute of four pages. No, I go, it's that you're provocast and no me I'm put to resist. No, so, then, then, you know, no, you can't end up for the life. Like a pere-cimie-cito. Like, a simeceit. Like, a-mer-en-lo.

The lion-cito. If not-se could control, amarrn'-a-marran-law. In animal. Yeah. And about and poor animals. Poveres animalites. About

of the is dangerous to be a activist? In the Mexico of today, I go, not only only only in America,

Latina, Colombia, Ecuador, in the States, in the world of today is dangerous to

be a woman activist? It's very difficult, not only for to be the life

per se, so, that you see, that you representes to certain

group or to the government that without your presence in this area

is will be a solution to you call you always there's

a little a Anna, a Jemena a Maria Jose always

there's there's that we're doing that we're doing because we're desperated

for living a life life of violence so it is a part of because

these piquitos of the we're making that we are

fundamental for the for the that are the you're accustomed that you

amens I'm I've two attent of death. Today,

I pertainees to the mechanism of protection, defendersors of the human and people

and they're not quite, even a sometimes, they're not even, I'm not I'm sure.

I'm not because I'm because I'm the, but I'm, but I'm trying to do the

work that the proper state no has done the security because they know that that's

that time that's the time. In the the case of the legalita defense of

Jaquiri Rubio, there Contra, against. Contra, the Tribunal Super of Justice,

the Procuratoria of the City of Mexico in that moment, Secretary of Governation, Policeia Federal. I mean,

they've intervened my telephone, I don't have no, I don't have to have no to have no to spend. I don't know.

This, this, I don't know, but this is like this for a movie, this is,

this book and this story are of these series of Netflix. And of and of things that

are to be Like it's like a denunciate. I think any I think any any other platform like this that you

can't be able to get to be able to and it's not and if in the future surgiering mil can't more to continue

this story at a level massive. Because in the States we're going because these stories are

all the time we've seen we've seen stories of the present and of the pasto still

of the liberation of the of the there's a lot of there's a In the States

United is very normal to tell these stories of discrimination as you know the and the stories of

the holocausto one and another other once and another time that it's, in America Latina

we'd to come to these stories to discrimination to the women and to the people?

I'd start, no? And, we're going, we're we're going, now we're

that I'm now that I'm going to know, because a time there certain type of people,

because our society is So, yeah, you have to back and say, there are

some little about a story that you can get to get a question, or to change the idea.

I always have said, it's very complicated to change them but it's to question to questioner certain

things that you have normalized. So, no, no, it's a about this

thing. When someone in a program of radio, in where she has said, oh, look,

I'm the only, that's the that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

that's, Yeah, but yeah, yeah, Netflix, yeah, it's a prime, yeah, Apple TV,

yeah, we're going to, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know, depends,

you know, depends on, two televisories, but yeah, it's all the platforms to do that's no, imagine,

if it's a new, , it's a matter, the way, but, but the, but the,

we're, some marred again, the entertainment is super-poderoos because it's being so much

a little, the perception of the things. It's just, the about the the other

other representation is incredible because it's a the rest of the society like that

have passed for that they've been the voice and you also as spectator you can say

I'm I've seen this and I'm did this or how many people in the person me has to be

front of front of transmitting information and let I'm that you let's give the

one one single that not has been victim of violence and and

I don't know the day of today today of one one only that's one of I'm not a

question of I'm not because you're not to be very very very to be able to what are

the roots what are the basis where I'm when the things when the color of the

ormiga I'm I'm in the necessity to say I don't can't repeat yourself

and even you know you know you know you know you know I think

what's how it's going to be done the change and that you have put

of arena for that this change so it's also when you topas in the way to talk about people who

people who first time I'm represented or thanks for about what what we're doing what we're when you

when you're when you're so you're for the most there there's a person in this world if

so they're that they recognize the effort that you're doing for for them and it's

something that you're that's a power and you you're when you you're

roaders of, well, the, well, the women are very, you're very,

I'm, I'm I'm sure, I'm right to be able, I'm right, if I'm this

opportunity, I'm a time, I'm doing to be that they're and that this is the

day of this, you can't, you can't to get a person, to be a person

in the that you're in where you know, where you see, that's that's

a, not so repurpers of the life that have been so even the life

but in the work in the part of the part of the issue of the institutions publicas that you say

look we have we have these things that never you have to do it and justantly that's yeah Lee is

invitedism well yeah yeah more yeah more than we're but

we have we're we're we're we're we're humanizing the

justice and there not only we attendes cases of gender, of violence

and gender, but any person in a situation vulnerable or vulnerable, that are these sectors of the society

as women, indigenous, persons of the third-ed-ed- and what we do we have to bring a case a

public, we're a representation active in material penal, so if there have to have to

defend or we have to be to do and we do you do all the institutions

commissions of the human, the commission to the commission of victims to

to Commission Inter-American of Rights Human because we have to understand that the, that someone exerts a power in this country, no, do you know of your life, nor doggia, and the dewean of the justice,

nor? And apart, they're creating antecedents, no? Exactly. Because you have this antecedent, that's just

was the judge, so it's just just got a new case. And if you're more difficult, the first is, I'm not,

I'm asking, magistrate, you, is, it's, to do you, for that's your Devere, not just

not you're saying. That's a lot, that's quite to do you know, of what they're doing their right, so they're not doing,

exactly, no, they're not able to do you know, or that's your obligation, or that's the thing,

no, but is that the servidor public, no, it's like the person, because it has been,

like, like God, no, but I'm saying, I'm saying because I'm, because I'm you can't

the liberty and generate to a person, is the misery human more

grand that there. Dolosomente generate fear to be a

society is and generate a guilt. Culp and fear is repulsive to use

the religion and the virgin and the emotion to be to control to a sector

of the society me seems but we know hundreds of years

after but yeah because also we've permitted no what is

what is what is what is what is what is what is what

you here we did we what advances you can celebrate I'm I can celebrate that's that's a

order to the woman who's the aborto and as always I'm just not just not nobody you're obliging

it's a no nobody to be able to give more visibility to the diversity

that exist now now I I know I'm also because I'm I'm

I'm quite investigue Right. I'm educated. That's true. That's true. That's different platforms or different ambitos in where

yeah there's these opportunities. Really, I see a change that many say, well, is that where is, it's progressive. Insist,

no, you can't change just because how's people are you, how do you do you have to realize

for that take a conscience of what is happening. It's really is complicated. but, unfortunately,

you know, it's a person to be to be in my, now I'm not affect

in the comments is like, thanks for your opinion. If it's constructive, I'm a telepath,

or the school. No, and is that something, I'm a question, I'm,

it's like, I'm, I respect to your commentario, it's a good, I know in what situation grew up,

how was your education, but, well, also, it's like, okay,

you're just, you're just, because you can't to get to that's, then I'm so you're

not, no, no, it's good that you do it's so you do so you're not so.

It's just it's like, let me, it's that I'm, let me, it's that you know,

and I'm, yeah, and so, and apart to know, and apart, to know, and apart to say, when the

people say, these things things offensive, orribles, clearly not they they define it, to define it to,

to, to who is saying. And something that was like, no, you can't expect critiques constructives of

someone who has done you really know, you really know, you know, you know, so I'm like,

oh, yeah, so, and much, just, just because I practice the peace and I

have a commitment spiritual, with not amarrar navas and do that's because we're

notherous, but many of those of those who did the people, I said, no,

amigito, bet to what you what you Trice is an envidia terrible that you in your

life, you've got to do you do a lot of do you, to do something of a heart,

that's a but it's but it's envirable to say, literally it's envirable that you that you've got to do

that the envyia that's they're very they're spegean and they're and they're not,

how can't because you're because you're well so for that so you say about you talk about

about you talk about you one when it's when it's received a critic of those that enchiland of a barra of these

of the abogados very diskenais they're saying is that where is the planeamient of the juriscript I said if I'm

not I'm a question I've lived not you don't like to write your book

exactly the chis is that there is that there is that there is a space for all in this world

I know there's there there a space with my form with my voice

like for Jalitza there a space that says Yalitza. I mean, nobody can't quit or

not. And you can say, if you're to make sure, or no. So, nobody.

Oh, with the affan to learn, because this podcast, since we're with the

effort to get a idea and to learn and that was a point of evolution for the

that's going to do you with us with the can be what we would be to learn

we? I know there are levels of violence, I'm that there Violentometer.

Oh, the violentomet is a thing very beautiful. What we can learn? What we can get? What we're doing?

We're doing this. Oh, oh, goodas, eras, eras, guys, how we're doing our own, to learn and

practice? Quentan us. Well, tomando what you've said of the violentometer, because also

we're to applauded what is a good, evidently was created by students of the polytechnico

national, not of the state. Wow. Case not I'm not. Cas no.

And I almost no. And I can't I don't have Rasons. Well, it's a Enohas with a

sonrisa. You always more beautiful lamented with a smile. You're going to get married

this now. Now, you'll be how so. Now, it's, it's a

termometer that identifies the violence progressive from from the most

lebe that we have normalized like burlas, comments sirientes,

comparations of evaluator celotipia, et to get, pardon, passing by passing for the

violence psychoemotional, violence physical, sexual, to get to get to the femininiscidio. It's

we need to identify that the violence, for more leves that we're not alone that's not that's

not in increment. Sure, for some level, it's and start it to

do that right, for that the thing of, I'm not to tolerate a chister

WhatsApp Exactly, because that's normalize the agarada in Alga or the normalize that the tio violer to dole-a-old and that's the time to call to that'senna of Navi-Nabita not so.

And to, to just to get normalize is put it to put a lot of people that I know that I know that's probably would not

they're in this, but they're in that level local, just to mande the chiste to just, just just between us.

Yeah no. Yeah no value that we have to we need to understand that all these conducts

of those the conducts of those people are the people are that they're that's written in the

code penal has much and that is that is a current political the feminism no no

no no for god informence they're they're described in the

law no they're not to be with politics and with

religion and no gender it's respect as respect

to the respect to the condition human to the emotions of the a lot and a

a space of life that has no has to cause to do you. So, that's a way to wear a

it. It's a it's a it. And we're to cut them and we're free.

And when we're doing victims and you questiones because I feel in the panza that's too

because the pecho me dole in a tristessa is that something. No, you're not

you're not you're not you're your mind what you is that you you're you're not

you don't you know you're very No, if I'm It's because me You know, we do it's because we do Space and a value

A lot emotional, not for Get back with the Ojo, you know, I'm going to say That's much more Danyed, emotionally And the men, we're doing And we're doing us That things that at a mojo

We're always, not normales, not are normales. And there are That's true That masculinity, that masculinity, that no those make more And for the contrary,

yeah, it's a penita. I say, yeah, you know, you know, I bet to your Cases, you know, And if you're going to say, ah, caray, I've done so, I've done that, I've done, and I know said that I'm wrong,

the regue, I don't know what I'm doing. For example, in restaurants, no, I've seen, this, turnurita, Linda, no, no, is your linda, is a lady, it's a youngita that's a person who's someone who is,

and the service is that you serve in the food. Not is your friend. Yes. So, so to be able to be to be a place of violence

we have to feel like we're going to get to get us liberes that's the thing that

what we're what we're my master yaliza miss yaliza my master proff what we're what we're

to change what you what you're to your to your mehick and dear and

to Colombia and Ecuador and Guatemala and all the all the Latinos what you

you're you're you to make that I'm I'm think that the grand majority

we're a lot to all the discrimination, the abuse. What do you do you? I'm like, I mean,

I'm sorry. I'm not sure. No, no, no, it's certain. This, I always have said,

informants. Before to talk about something, informate, what is what is what's going, if all the

comments that you see, really are really, don't they don't they're not they're getting to

get in social. Reds social is an arm of double-filo, that information where

you make complice of many things that, as a lot is a delito. So, so informars and also,

as a victim to find that that security and not get to called. The worst that we can't get

us called because putting a example, no, you as a victim of violation,

if you get a calliated, you vivest with that trauma, with that the

with all the consequences that you provoked a violation and in the who's who abuser to be able to

you are in the way of all the other repiting that's so far

so I'm I'm correct Anna I think that I'm you know you're you're also

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And the most important and how we're in the society in the society is the respect and the empathy.

If you don't have respect for for all, all what what's going to and if you not have empathy for what is

going to be very complicated that form is part of this change. Claudia Gonzalez of the State of Mexico

asked, I think that you asked you a little but to Anacatira asked how

we know we know we us we can't ministries public, exist in centers of justice for the woman, for favor, metance to internet, and

one thing very important, generate reds of protection and contention. Between us, we're, nother, us others, or who want, including in this change, is, I've lived something similar.

Who are my reds of contact most proxious? The people that are the most confidence to have, to have this route solas.

If we're not we're going to to be some my that's where we're really we're in

a situation of a situation of we're in a we're that I'm here, Anna, because never I'm... No, it's that just

I'm going regressing from my land and I'm going to get into over many cases of feminicidious and I'm going, okay, in the

city, you know, in the city, you know, and if you're in internet, then much better, but when you're in

communities indigenes, where you're to do that, but if you you're not to those that are the people that

they're not they're in those doors, but, like in the communities, a lot of have ideologies in where you

are the way, not who is the who, who, who is what what they can do? It is very difficult, and we have had a chance to know the limitants that exist for the victims in these sectors of the country, but if we

advance us a little, me refer to physically we're going to find with someone like you or like you, that we'llbracemes to someone. So, that we know that in this world of people, there someone like than us

that we can put out of a lot of even who you can't you imagine but but we're

not little we're not our universe of our our universe of our universe of life and we

know we're going to find someone we're in a help and provide and provoke

the country us has a question a little for the world spiritual

says it's possible create a balance between women in a society

accelerated and consumerist and women who creases in contact with the silence and the

sabidurias and the sabidurial of the naturalness? Well, it's that we think the little bit of

the way, like Yali, at the way, at a time, a time of a message in the

TV, and all the people are in this space of meditation or of silence,

encounteran there's there there's there if the thing is who

who is who who merce more to be not a part, but to find

that that we we have to know that we're that we're that we're that's a

good and respectable as much any more than the last question Delia Rodriguez of me I think is to make you

know more And curiously, when I went to the extraaner and I'd like, really you're Mexican? Well, it's that the Mexicans not we've seen, no? To any part of the world where I've been,

always has been the question and me kept like, whoa, what strange that here no have seen a person as like, I'm coming down for my country

in different states, I, I know, it's something that has been changing it's incredible when you're again, you know,

you're trying to get to to where you had been and where you start to talk about oh, is that the culture and then the

community Mayer and it's like oh, how beautiful that you know about these things that before you

before you know, and what you know you have got you have more a list of actress

indigenas that there's many, but not we have been about, model, model,

the activists, cantantes in all those aspects that can exist and it's really

it's really great gratificant to listen when they they're when they put in

these examples, when the first time that I'm they're the only and it's like,

really I'm the only that's that's but not I'm the last time. No,

because you you're going to you're going to get some some time or recommendation that no

you want to you want to give us to give us. I'm I'm going to I'll I would say

that always is important the and the security that you can't have in what you do do you think, in what you think, because the people

at your around always are you going to and always they're going to to judge and you know your name, not your history. It's the only

that I can't say that you're going to get to talk about all the trajectory that has done, because the most beautiful for the

people that they're just is to see your errors but not know that's also that you're that's a problem.

How's your mommy? Margaretita. We send us a Braccarita. That's a lot. And that's, I'm going to...

I'm going to... I'm in a... No, in a in a concurs. No, I'm going to a car. But I'm going to the podcast. And is that just,

always that they're like, who is your point of inspiration and me have topado with people,

that's that my my son, I'd like to do. And I'd always say, I'm,

I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm I'm sure and I'm that his kids they admire

to you. Because the first example and model that we have our mother in our mom in

our sometimes those parents because are who are people they support and who they're saying

and who they're like that that's that I'm always I've always

I've been you're thinking I'm thinking what you're going to what you're going to

what's what you're going to we're we're doing you know you don't you can't

you're nothing, you can't do you know you see what you're in

that you can't be in your series, your movies, your books, your and you can

generate, it would be it's, it's a story of the ethnicias, of the menisos,

of those other stories that no, that incredibly not they've been in you're in your hands

a grand treasure because you could be from a place from a good,

that's And they're And they're Coker, right? That's a movie and they

were a lot of this wonderful, I said, that's a great idea, but what incredible

that has to be in someone to see a time to and get to the day of mortals,

and of our roots. As how it what what we do that

our culture not, not, that after they're presumed of what

they're but they're they're they're they're not they they're

like you you're you're you're you Cudalha. Cuella. No, you're going to regatt.

You're going to do. You're going. It's something that's that's a time. Tranquil, it's your time in vera. I,

see the other, and now that I'm not in a month the movies? No, I thought I thought that's, wow, that's

a chouk, right. We're doing one. We're making a minute, but just all you all you're doing things,

there are many things in which you have to informer and get to do your process is there where you

you're there a big to do you a different type of people with with the with the time

you're going to do you in my case not just just to talk it for about to do it

and so okay and in what context is that is growing my person then I'm

I'm and I go and I go and I go I go to this process because

Well, is to give a a story and from from where it's. And it can be entertainment, it can be a sense of the humor, can't be in all the genres. Well, how is the life,

not? As one of phantasmas and the legends of Oaxaca, for favor. Oh, that me, that me, I'm scared of,

and then the other day I was up a and then I gave to a car and me said, and I'm, if they're not they're going to get in a zone,

it's just for that. Yeah, because it's like, is that you is that you're person or you're a person or you're a person

the whole, the jubble, the legendas Mexican, just in just in pure Oaxaca, there you can make a lot of stories and entreteged into those stories can give

messages precious. Sure. So, the story has a message. Anna Katiria, and to your side,

something that you want to be to give to give to a good to give? Well, refor sando what he said

Yali, nothing, and nobody to say, what you can say, what you can't, and the

to romper these stigmas of be beheas, of education, of professionalism, you can't be what you'd be the when I'm saying penalist, no, there were

penalists, I saw, there, but one of a cent, no, all those were men, that's,

after I'm a academic, at the academy, in universities, this, that I said, is that I thought, I was,

that I was a person, but I mean me, I guess, but my papa says that

that's a a job for women I go I'm I've attended I'm not I'm a

woman and I'm a manned so I'm so where the only that you can

say is that no there's any to not to our dreams or to

be not to do and that what someone to you

so that so it's to learn a image

and a person how times you have you

you you say, I think, of the tripas, of the passion, and only

to focusate to that's, because nobody has to say to not, and to live a

life free of violence, no? Thank you. Thanks. For being in the podcast. Thanks for

coming here to the Museum of and Tolerance to invite us to come, that's a museum

that's a wonderful in the which is a wonderful of those things. I'm

I'm, I'm I'm I'm really that they are the value to be

to see It's a sport of valiant No, and also, and also, I'm just

if you sumas to this opportunity to give a this type of time, then you're

a person, yeah, it's just what what has been what's just what a woman of a, of a three

children who's these men, these men, these are these men, but in this case, it's too

well, that's going to Oh, if not, so they're so on, so, yeah,

so, if not it's yeah, I'm, I've been the privilege of the life that

I've been my life that and have done, I've done, I've got to get a opportunity to and I'm

and I'm and I'm so, so so it's not. No, so it's too. Aplaus for your mom.

Who want to who's who nobody. Nobody. Many. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. As a conclusion, we can to remember that the women are sacred, that the women are divine, and that the women are very very powerful, and that

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