El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 237 - ¿Qué pasa cuando muero? - Odin Dupeyron, P. Juan Antonio Ruiz, Lama Eduardo Herrera

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

¿Hay algo después de morir?, ¿Existe el cielo y el infierno? Si Dios existe y es amor incondicional, ¿por qué hay injusticias?, tanto tú como yo, seguramente nos hemos preguntado esto muchas veces y por eso esta semana reunimos a Odin Dupeyron, el Padre Juan Antonio Ruiz y el Lama Eduardo Herrera, en una mesa donde hablamos y cuestionamos de todo.  El miedo, cuando un ser querido pierde su salud, puede bloquearte para encontrar soluciones. Aprende a ganarle en mi clase gratis 👉: https://marcoantonioregil.com/miedo-pod        Sígueme en: Telegram: marcoantonioregil.com/telegram   Sigue a Odin Dupeyron en: Instagram: @odindupeyron   Sigue al P. Juan Antonio Ruiz en: Instagram: @pjuanruizjlc   Sigue al Lama Eduardo Herrera en: Instagram: @herreraheduardo

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Catholic, because I'm a family Catholic, then I'm because the past this horrible? What is

going to? I'm sent me disconnected and only, and I didn't think to me, a Mark

Antonio, I need to feel and think my heart me says that there is a

more there, the, the idea of the is precisely ex-exigency of the of the

question of that's we're going to be able to love. You can't go back to re-nacer

but not a man-asel but a person, but the people religious of all the religions and creencies

are very intense, are very aggressive. I don't have been really atheos

there are there's many, like people there in the people we're in the

people and even we're Dependent. Hallelujah. So, are two forms that are you.

Alleluia. If you have a point of respectable, I don't you know, I don't think of the father,

respectable, like the man, just that's just that I'm just just that I'm just

that I'm to get that the gullas to the guyina to get to I'm to get me.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. To get to the that's the thing is the thing to the

thing is the spiritual because I think I think in my question. It's

very is very unjust that you That's a guy in the guy that's that's going to go ahead. I'm not

I'm not I'm trying of what you're doing the ideas and what I'm trying to do to do you I'm trying to

do you know to say the one I'm going to say. One of the questions that I think all the

people have done in repeated occasions especially when we're for example a person

is what what will that after that I'm going to be to be my

people there's there there's like the there so the there

will be there in this life. There's a a sky, there's a new there's a God that

is going to be a way to do you. Or no there's nothing. No, there no I'm no matter.

I'm sure and it's absolutely nothing. After that I go of this body or I my body

my body so my body's termina. Well, to be to think you to learn and learn,

we've invited to three people very intelligent. A priest, a lamb budista, and ateo.

And this program is just what after that I'm more. But we're going to about to

that's a lot of this episode. So I'm so I'm going to get a lot much this episode. I recommend to open your

mind and to not you're not you're doing because I'm that you're in what you or in what you're not

you're going to say, are our people, or at the more you, that's, that you're

going to you think you think you so, then. So, then you're so much, try to

try to learn and we're we're going to understand from the Santa Fe in the city of

Mexico, in the The podcast of Mark Antonio Regil is a production of RGL Entertainment and all his their rights are reserved.

Our Ateo is Odin Dupeyron, Scriitor, actor, producer and director Mexican that has made to read and reflection to

many and millions of people and that's been a referent of the culture popular. Odin is pronounced

as a no creyate. Lamme Eduardo Herrera is a master authorizer international specialist in

Cultures of Himalya Transuctor of the language Tibetan in texts Buddhists,

director of the Central Buddhist Himalaya in the city of Mexico, and have imparted diplomats in the University

National Autonomous of Mexico and other institutions educative. The Father Juan Antonio Ruiz

from from the 1995 of the legionaries in where he's ordn't as a first

godate and he's columnist in different media of communication like the period

Barbario of Sartillo and has a presence very active in Redes Sociales.

Today, the spirituality is in the podcast. Thank you thanks for

to be here. Father Juan Antonio Ruiz, welcome. Thanks for via him. Elam, Eduardo Herrera, welcome too.

Thank you, good Odinda Peron. What a bendition to get you with us. Hallelujah. We're here. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. People are, so, welcome. So, so, welcome.

Something that's, something, what I want to say each one is something very great and I can be a person who thinks

very distinct to me in some but I think that I think something that is a more meo and a better

a better society. The fact of sent us with different points of but with that point in common

for me is a riche because we've in a society that's a world in instead of tending pences

and I think this is a moment to tender ponds between us to us to get us a car, to tenderned the

money and say, here we are not only of not only the world, a better. Apart, it's real that we can't

live in a world where all people think like us like us. Very aborritory. Very aborrito. Very good.

Thank you. Thank you. Of course, we can't we talk we're, the tradition buddista

not has a point of a view in particular. A this is a Darmakaya in Sanskrit

that we can't understand as an agnosticism pluralist postmodern. Agnosticism

because no create a conceptual or religious respect to the fact

it's pluralist because no exclude nobody and for other is postmodern because respect

the fact that the fact that they can have various points of without that is pretend

that not even the is a point very important is resumed

in the idea of Dharmakaya and you even there's

a there is a there is a Mardo Tudor, the Libro of the Libyan on the

Morts, that we will be more a little bit of the world that the Buddhism not

a religion, is a theory cognitive to get a state of the state of the state. Perfect.

Much thanks. My dear Odin, I'm thank you the podcast anterior. It's too

was a good. I said, Ode, I think, I think, I think, he's sent him

in the person to think he different. One, an inquisition. No. And-in-

-any-est- thank you. Well, the truth is that I'm not I'm a actor, is what I'm

a person human that I'm consider I'm here to putt reasonable, rationaler, I'm

I'm thinking to the reason why that's rationalable what I think and from and I

debate, no, I think the people are more important than the ideas and

that any other postura no, I think the important is the

people and who are people and don't I don't I don't believe in

nothing, no I'm religious no I'm not I'm think I'm

not I'm not because I'm sure that I'm not because the evidence that I'm presented

now or the discursos that I have said or are or are illogical or get to the

faith and after the faith then I mean me me me no me

it's like no it's no it's no it's no it's come to come in where do you

go to you can't but to come in how you, I tell you, I tell you, I'm, how? No, how? Me, me makes feel that I'm completely a cargo of my life. And I think

one has to be responsible of his own life. So, then I'm not, then I'm sorry, but no, of all, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm open to whatever thing, whenever there's been able to, so, today you could you could have to converticism or the Buddhism? No, of any other. I'm not, but first

I'm a atheist. Because I'm not seeing religion, until He me, they were I'm going to be a Catholic, because I'm not a family Catholic,

then I'm recupered, and now I'm, yeah I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, okay,

well, let's, we'll, we're, we know, we know, because, because, for a

after that I'm I'm sure, then I'm to think there's a time, that I'm to go to the nada,

or if there a little bit I've talked to DIN, that I'm, I'm, I'm, after reading the

books of Yuval Harari, this historiator, where you say that literally inventing a a man, that was an inventive of the human, and

it was a time I was so I'm sorry. And then I said, I'm sorry, I need, my spirituality.

I need to think in that there's I'm a thing. But that's I'm to know. To be

to understand for what why the past this horrible? What is what? I'm

sent me disconnected and only and I I understand I'm a Mark Antonio

I need I need my my heart me says that there is a little more

more than the physical so the the thing the materialism not as the materialism like

philosophy says that no there's that all it's that all it's

to come to me it doesn't because because I'm because I

don't you like because many many a because no I'm

just not I prefer to think to other. Has to count that I provide a pantalon

and I'm a preto and I'm put in when I'm going to get a oh my my good

I'm my regret so the way but it's I'm I'm sure I'm so I'm

so let's let's let let's let's say Paul Juan Antonio the the religions

judicestianas or the Judaism Catholicism all the ramas of the christianism

the Mormons the Koran the religions the religions of Abraham that

are that are Abraham. What they're in or what they're in that they're I'm going to I'm sure

and what you know, with his matisies obviously because every who have they have been the

sure. Obviously not they're not all like that. I'm I'm going to a crencia

I'd like to a experience humana of something that I think we can't we can't

identify those that is something you said in your introduction the period of a

person careido so I think no there more more suffering

because we move the tapete and we move the tapety and it's so

no you can not be not you know I think has been

one of the the pandemic that we have been and

you and so so so in a in a

in a storm no what what I think

I know I do a part the is

that there in the a carousan, a exigency,

I, for the least, I have really, I've said, I know the

like a person, but I'm like a person, there's a real thing, that I'm

to have to be a person. I mean, so I know, I'm that this has been

that's that's everything, the abacking, the abasas I'm thinking in, I

know, my abelita, I'm a person that I've really, the Bezos that

I'd my, my abuela in the United my god my god my

always. It's, for that something has to have to know, for example,

a pasta of chocolate. Paster of chocolate, if I'm to do you do it, well,

a better of chocolate than my life. But if I eat the pasta of chocolate always,

I'm empachue. So, it's it's illogical to think that there a pastel

of chocolate that never be. Or a good book, the best the best

that one of us, normally when when you say when you books, well, when you're when you're going to

the last page. That's the reasonableness the reason that he says, then the idea

of something is illogic because it will get a moment in that we're going to get a moment in

that we're and here I want I want to there. There's a one that we can't be

to be love and be loved. So I think I think I'm going to say that you say I'm

with all my heart. It's something that is intrinsic to the person. So, really we need

to be amados, we need to love. The idea of the is precisely ex-exigencia

of the heart, of that after the we're going to be amados and we

can't and that never we can't because it's something is something that

is something that And it's something that God's that's where it's where it would be the

notion. And just for precisal, the Catholicism, that I know all of the religions of Abraham are

like, obviously there's different differences. But the Catholicism that I really go to a little bit

to go to a little bit to go to my mom and my mom and Godito if I'm putte

well, God, I'm going to be with the chamuco to the and the chamucco,

the infirm and will be a end of the hell perid in the limbo no,

is what I remember. What is what? What is what? What I'm going to expect? Is that, uh,

uh, I'm just, not just to, not corrective, but well, commentate, no, no, do you.

Say, correct. Let's say, that's, it's true. Look, the, the reason, here's a lot of

opportunity. Many. All right. All right. All right. All right. Here, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very, I'm very, so, so,

so, Brian much the question of the question of the thing of the thing of the is that's in the base of the

love, it's not I'm in the time to be the to be my friend because I'm not I'm not a

relation with you to invite you an tea a coffee or a beer a tequila tequila or what

yeah and then you're you're my father is my friend I'm I'm I'm well

I'm well I'm very with you can you're very well you you're because there because there

a relation. With God is the same. God not can force to make us because we have a lot of

we need. It's not that we need. As I'm I'm going, the love in a certain way, but

no I'm impone. So these, let's say to call Ciel Inferno, for

call it, as we call it are we are exactly those states in the which we

going to live the eternity amando. But if there is someone who not

want to because no he's not he's not because no it's not he's not he's not

he's not he's going to come to me to the eternity because it only to get to see

in the Catholicism that the the sky and the world literally places or is

more a state? It's like a state. It's like a word the term the term

the term the term for it is a term for it's so it's that the eternity and there's

the way, at the time will say, well, no, I'm going to know, no, no, but I'm

not here. No, no, but, but I'm going to go, now, now we're going to go, now,

we're going to questions, more than responses. No, no, but I'm about that's about, but that's about,

but I'm going to go to pass the side of, the law, the side of the Buddhism, I'm, I don't know a much people,

well, and here in YouTube we're done Bibleasos, people, people who people who believe,

literally that the garden of the Edem, for example, is a place physical localized in

Africa and me they're saying the place is a physical and the world is and the

infirno exists. So there's many people, so there in the world

Christian think that is literally a place a place physical. What you,

as you, as you, as you're, you're saying, no is that they're not so, not are

places. The garden of the end, the if I'm, if I'm, I'm

the Bible, I'm the letter well, I'm going to say, but no.

No, it's not so it's not so it. Okay, but there's okay, but there's much people

that's in that's, and we're so I'm so, yeah, well, and me

they're so, yeah, so, there's, there, there, there,

there, there, there's a, no, no, no, no, no,

no, for nothing, for nothing. Perfect, thanks, we, we're, we're

we're, we're not representes to all the religions as many Confucianism, Buddhism,

there's a lot of ramas, Hinduism, Taoism, but from your point of view,

what's the first of the first of re-tomach to talk to you, Marko, Antonio,

of the historian Ur-Jubal Norahar. This Sapiens, this human that,

presumptame has 80, 000 years, occurred the revolution cognitive, a

final process of the cortex pre-frontal where us, has crear what we

think we're what makes create narratives, histories. So, the human,

the sapiens is the only species of that about, pardon,

about, so far, of that idea, that all part of a, uh,

of a structure symbolica sensorial, emotional. So, the sapiens since

these, the last 80,000 years, commenced to creer and to construct

religions, for so the importance of the pluralism and the notion

postmodern and from and from I'm, I'm that the person human

is inseparable of their ideas, inseparable of the construction individual and social

of the reality. Having said this, I'm to the idea of what

represents Buddha Dharma, which is what is the world a state

cognitive that means to start. Dharma signific a methodology. The methodology to start. In this order

of ideas, no, we can't talk of a only budism, but if can be about a

organization of the different methods that did the Buddha at the long of 45

years that he's where we can't construct different that's that's

chutas sutra, resultant tantra, and Zochchen, which are the no duales,

the not referentiales. And it's where it's important also retomar what you

comment as Mark, Antonio, that says, me sent me sent me so I'm not a

because it's a person, because it's a person. Yeah, Buddha not is a God in the

Buddhism. It's a God, and it's a and the person that one of

an idea of sensorial. That's very important to understand. To be that this philosophies

not duales into the India, into the India, general, we can't understand those as a state cognitive of no separation between the subject and the object,

where here, where, here, implic a ser, a creator of the universe, to according to the notion of origin, ontogonica, cosmogonica, the origin of the universe respond to causes natural. The origin of the ser respond to processes

cognitive. In that context, we would argue that the tradition buddhist a point to the state of and the state is a state

where it's a state where the subject and the object, no there's a no, there's an experience indefinable. Well, it's

unidad. No, it's, the good, the bad, the, the world, unity,

it's not, it's respectable, but it's the unity but it's the unidad, so, so,

so, from this perspective, Darmakaya, not referentiality what is what what's the Stephen

Hawking a dimensionality when no have energy in the space

no there's time and no there's a point of not

referential that that's that's what what I want to this

when when we when we're certainly there there

is a post-mortem in the the book Tibetan

of the Murtos and there many many there

many can have the point referent referential in the

tradition buddhist more than the state no referential no dual abaita

as it can say also in Sanskrit no separativity now being that is the

genuine condition of all the beings we're in a materialism but not

a materialism materialism materialism existential materialism spiritual materialism intellectual and

we're to create that the phenomenon that was the idea of the culture and

we're to ferrarned to the ideas we're we're we're we're we're

we're we're we're from the point of the cognition in the tradition budist

no there no our state and our state imminent of ignorance yeah it's like

a piscina that's contaminated when when you're you're you're going to have is

water that's the experience where we we're we're No, there's a castigo eternal, nor there's glory eternal,

no. There's cause effect, there's karma, and symbolica, emotional, and, let me call it, dialogically,

I constructs to the other to suppress it, to subjugar to, to lastimarily, the physical verbalment,

then that's, so, so, it's a spejo cognitive, where, at the moment of the

murder, the moment of the Ababa, the state intermediate, and is where not you're going to go to another

place, it's a state of construction and of the elements symbolical, narrative,

emotional, and inconscientious, and in a period, approximately 49 days, it's restructura, it's densification in the five

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there's a you and you you're able completely and you can't be you're

able to know, there's, there's there's there's the budism is for

the kids. We can't we can't we're just simple no is. Yes. So,

what we can see, here is here there's here a enormous difference of the

culture and the religions that They're from Asia, Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and the Judaism, the Islam. They're both different and realities completely opposed. If I'm sure that we're not in the India or in China, about this, at the most of the other, or y'embourg, me explain to?

Yeah, sure. Because for them are you saying, the virgin, the pager, how? What? The paloma? The starryor is it to call you. You tell me, my dear Odin. For you, what there after you are

after you know, no, you know, no, you know, no, well,

I mean, you know, assume you know, you know, you're not you're not not so, not you're

not doing, not here the no, for that you know, but partying of your

philosophy, well, I'm, I'm, I'm, like, I'm, so,

so, so, so, so, I'm, somebody, somebody, somebody's

something, for me put me my put up because I so I'm so much,

So don't you worry. So when, when, when he said, uh, yeah, I'm ha, what,

uh, where? Where? What? I'm, I'm sorry. I thought that I mean

studied a little but no I didn't know. Well, I'm saying, Mark, Antonio. The I,

no. What? What's the thing? What's the thing? Because this is de the diamond.

And then I'm saying, oh, I don't know, I think, oh, I'm you know, no, nobody,

it's of Mercadio. Because to me to say that, that's terrible, because the people religious, of all the religions and creensions, are very intense, are very aggressive. I don't know. I've been really atheists. There are atheists.

There are people mal there in the life, no? But the ato no is aggressive because, well, no, pretend to nothing. No, he'll matter because no creas

in what he cre, no, he says that's equivocated or no, simply, no, I don't know. My response is certain, what you say, what you say,

what happens after the murder? No, I don't know what's what's the murder. No, no, I'm

Mured. No, there's nobody that's a question that's there's a lot. So, there's people who are

not going to and they're not going to be the more. The people are many things. Oh, yeah, there are you

are going to have been, they're going to see a loose and you're going to be you're going. You're not,

you're not. If you're you're, you don't, I'm to do you, you're going to go, then I'm going to

come back, then when you're you're, you're, You got to the point of the death, you've been the when the one of the

when the one, we know, because he's so I'm sure, then you're not you're still, you know, you know,

there's a person, there's a little there's a little family, there people who have a friend of there's, I think of the

much with what we're going to, you know, he's the who's called the life, after the life, scientific,

and what, he's, and that's, and that's the problem, that the scientific, that's the thing, no,

there's nothing that's that's sosed, when the people very religious, says, but the religiousos, they discovered

many things, because I mean, they were all the people, and they were to do and they're in God, so they're in God, see, they're in God, so they're in

God, or so, not the Inquisition, they'd be a pedosos to get them. And there's a sensego. There's the sexgo that you

have you have to the divism, the sexgo that you have to do the Catholicism and the Judeo. I don't have

no, I mean. I mean, my sesgo is the reason, no. What's the past after the It doesn't happen much. No, I'll see.

I'll investigate. But the difference is that I don't say to the people, you know, you have to do this. Because after the death, if you don't do this, you're going to pass this. No?

Nothing. I know a person and live well, I live well, no, because even there's nothing. And as I don't have a promise of the

life eternal, then I'm just fructo this life that I'm. But I have some questions, because I don't know my responses, no I want to say

to hear something. But I want to hear something, because I've always I've always thought I'm a that's more difficult

being a person thinking that there's not because of when I'm doing a person not do

only because I feel well that you might be able to be able to be a retro-alimentation that I consider

divina but I know but why divine? Well, because it's the result Well,

Tadmy just you can't just you're a dragon because because it's a guy the

well the the grand dragon because what I what I feel in my for me is the communication with the divine. No, then, no,

I'm sure you're not. But let me get it. The point. That's, if I do the good and me feel well, then then it's

something is, is something because I know a good retrolimentation. And also there one of me that says,

well, when I'm I'm going to you want to if the reencarnation exists, I don't want to re-reprorended

a re-apprended a lesson where if I'm a miserable, I'm going to to go to to live that

misceria for that I don't want that I'm in the infirno or the casigua that's not so that's like that

also. So, also there's there's a great part of convenience. And when I see an

Ateo that does the good simply because if I, I know, I know I'm really,

I'm really because it's because it is because we do it comes in this world and we

because the evolution has done these things marvellous the natural not is

ethical, the naturalization not is compas there's the suricata is used to the car are not

not a lot of they're not they're very aggressive and they're given by a ember not

it's a woman dominant that's infanticida so maintain the the power of the

unas because it's the mbers that they're they're they're

they're they're they're they're they're going to they're they're you have become

in embers dominants. That is the naturalness. In the natural there's machism, there's feminism,

there, the patto still eating even the other fat is not there. There's no.

I'm like, I'm too. You know, I'm like this patty. No. There's a pattoe.

And they're to get to this time. The other little little, I don't want to eat.

And there there's that don't know a yearbo? And there's but no but it's but it's

because, oh, poor sierbo, we're we're to get us with him. No. No, it doesn't

that way. You study the animals and you see the oso tal, in some moment and then they're going to see her some more.

No, he went another osa that he liked more, no, it's because the chachors, not the

naturalness, they're going. The begets are not sure. And they're organized. And they're organized. What I mean,

is the only the man? No, there's a lot that we're no, we no, we we're,

we've been, we've evolution And that's because evolutioned us. The men of the others, not were like we're not going to be. They were doing something dismother that he had to come in a little bit of okay, okay, okay.

You're going to castigar, God. No, is that it's going to pass. And then, of some way, for that man, still a little bit salvage, that vivian the cities amurallied,

that you'd keep up the things because could cuttartelas. For that man, there had, to, in some to control it. So,

so they were some things. So, of the fact, that's from God from the first God of the Antigua

Testament is bad and is terrible but it's a badger, but it's a badger some bad at the other people who put to get a

little bit more more than the other that's just the second God that is amorous and yes and you're but the first

no it was something to a therapy of God and changed for the second testament. I what I think

is that what the person is when the people is so you know but God does you do this and no me happened

nothing and Robby, no, I pass or nothing. So the religious said, oh,

and is that it's good too, is that you do the libidriot. You can't you can't.

And that's of the questions to the question to go that's the I'm I don't I'm going to

talk about but because, because, because of the injustice? No, no,

no, no, no, no, just to establishes the rules so to to do you to the

I'm okay, I don't question, my question is what? Well, let's

participate so that you understand. Father Juan. Let's go the rules Father Juan. We're that Adeneve

existierre? Dependent. It's that for that I think, the Bible no, I'm going to

put it simple. It's that for that I'm going to literally. So, so if not

literally, the evolution exists. The evolution exists. If it's where you where you're

going to the evolution is there? Yeah. It's scientifically comparable. The

that not the, the that doesn't that the is has Cared. But,

but, but, you know, that's that's, you know, get to get to get to

get to get to a question, that's a that's a but it's that's the only there's

not the people, but the great majority of the people that I know that is literally the

Bible, that's that's, with the caring to the people, there's

the evolution is very clear. And the the big bang too. And the Big Bang was

was established by George Emetre that was it's clear clearly it's, are

that are that's not that's that's that's that's because this this

a question was the was what I did the was that was the religion

is that for me for me not they not are not are not are not so

not are not not two forms to be the life allelel

are so but it no but I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm moderator the

is a response of yes or no. No, no, no is, it's, no, I'm,

I'm going to I'm sure to say, I'm sure I'm sure, no, no, no,

no, no, okay, if they're not, no, that's not, no, is that

what's, what I'm that's a end of the religiousos, no, that's, behind the

right, there's, there's different things, there's where there's where I'm there's where says,

yes, others say, no, others say, they're not, those are, No, no, the dogmas of faith, all, so there's,

I know a father that's a very good, that says, if Jesus exists right, would he would, and would, in the marches,

LGTB, helping the different, because God was a revolutionary, because Jesus, in a revolutionary that was to say,

that's different, and his message was of a different, and so he's a same paraguas, the same gerarch of his

religion, there is the no, Jesus in the life, this is common, the human, the homosexuals, don't go

to the to the whole institution led by a one a single person that's there's different ideas.

If you're like this is not bad those emotional, are more emotional are more than are more than they're more those gay

are going to putrid in the infirno and that's a abomination satan or but that's but that

that's but that's also there are also there are that they're the same debate that I

have been the same I'm having a person that just for I'm sitting here, the pedophino

no, no, but that's not for ateo, that's for pendejo. There's a but there's but I'm

to go to, you're a person that is you're a person who is the way, in which I'm about you.

And there's a lot of that you know, that's a thing you're not you're not all the

people, because not those creyentes because no those, but I'm not going to get to

get into the people, I'm not I'm not talking to the people, I'm talking of the creencers.

of what the people have the people have to believe. So, the crevents have to be aeneyva.

Yeah, if I'm not a manned and I'm and he's different. But the

creencia is Adaniyeva. So, what he has atheos absurdos is that's an atheist,

or is an atheist, is an atheist, is a atheist, is ateo, is that we're not

we're not so, and it's ateo mostic or an agnostic. I'm

I'm not I'm not say, no I can't not sure to say, I don't know. But no.

Because, because, according the evidence, I think that's not because I'm sure you know

in the unicornies. But, according the evidence, and what we know we've been able to the world,

well, I could say to say, no. Tampo not if there's there's a little,

that's invisible. I can't come provoked that no I'm also, Odin, that I'd want to

retomar, that is important, that, that, that, that, that you

present as rational, you think you don't you know, you know, you know, a point of

a point of linguistic, this is BATIM. So, your culture, you're an world of a cultural universal,

where you have the option of, as the illustration, to put a one side the religion, to start a

science, the reason, the mathematics, the physical, the astronomy, that's a result of a process of

a process of the question, of the time you, so, so present you,

presentart, as an individual that you're based in the reason and for the time you have to no, if you have a point of

respectable, I don't you know that's a point of respectable as the of the father, respectable like the

not as that's just that's just that and also we can't interact with, what we can't

interact with what also is that a level scientific there's a notion doctrinal

orthodoxa that's has been been made for science and it has been materialism

historical that was science dialectica Marxist and Engels, that was a science, between commies, because it was for the reason. So,

there's to matize where, too, I mean, it's not, you're very plural, and that's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm sure, you're very, you're very, you're very rapid, but if you're a point of view, what is enriqueceder. I don't,

I didn't know to be a point of view, I mean, I mean, I mean, and one of the things that I think to the

a lot of the people of the client is I'm super creyent. Not just that I'm just to have to have to have to be

not a lot I'm not. I'm not because I'm not what I'm saying of the galena no I'm not sure that

no I'm no can't there's a guyna that put a lot of us not over the nobody can't

prove it. But in the science you could talk to argument that would be to make sure to find a question a

question around we're correct. And then then we're we're saying we're we don't?

No? Yes. And we we put in no. And we we're going to not. We're trying to

try to to try to and say, is that the guy is that I see the guy, is that I'm just like you

get on the guy in the guinea of the guiseion of the guyina to get to the guy you know, I'm trying to

get to the thing. To get it to the thing. To get it. I'm, I think,

I think in my car- I know, I know, I'm I'm sure that I'm sure,

the etiquette is the the endgette the end quote, the etiquette the etiquette to give words.

So, but I know a great spirit that is a man, a woman,

and a impotent, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnisent, that is the creation and the creator at the

time and that is present in every cellul. It's very unjust that me compare that I that I'm,

that's really, that's you can't exist, that not is a disgarrado of the

science. The same Albert Einstein creed in that said that could exist. The

scientists are you are seeing the metaversos, the holes negros, things that

still don't not see a chinga gillana that's going to not you know, don't you know,

don't know, because no, because a guyina, no, no, no, no, no, is that a guygina

volada with, it is the same thing that's the thing that now we're that we're doing

a number. But the antimatteria also has some no, no, I'm not

got some those detractors the, that the detractors, the term, no, no, no, no,

I'm the The theory, the material gris, the energy gris, has detractors scientifics, very serious. So, there are quantizing,

to not all to involve it in a special of a pluralism negative, where nothing exists, all can exist.

It's what I cause effect. It's what I know. There's a acceleration of particles. Exactly.

There's a thing. Every time that I'm don't make to make a time. Here,

the time the return to the matter of this, the part of the conscientious. I'm no,

I'm Okay. But yeah been interrupted like four times and I'm just and I'm sorry and I'm a putt

desmoder. Because me you're a guy's gonna say no, before the guy just said there's a man

no, oh, oh, my god, I'm gonna yeah no I'm gonna yeah, we're gonna

let's go let's go let's go let's be not just where I'm just right to be able

to discuss and I'm not sure I don't know that all that I'm that I'm I'm a

I'm a right to be of my mark historical, with the where I'm the

the religion that I've done, I'm a clear that I'm a there's, there's,

there's, there's, we're going to go to do and we're going to do you're going to go to go back

about the reason and the reasonable. I don't I'm saying to anybody, that I'm to give to

his children, that don't eat a that's that's a kind of that's medicine to

his infirmes, that then then he goes, that's, that I go to that, I'm that's, I do you, I'm

ateo does that that's because no Ateo has a certain to nothing. The more is saying,

they're going to do you do this things. In number of something we know we're we're not.

No? No. We don't know. We can't let us pause and we let us other things

more interesting. Not right. In the life, so like in some moment they said, paren the

buskid of the future of the future. I'm going to be to let's be to another

part. And they not there is that I think there's that the point of the idea the

I'm I'm for something that not that you say, I'm, for me it's very important

the gallina of the world for me. But why not we don't, why not we don't know about the things

a caricature that's a carriages. A unicornia. Nobody is about unicornies or because we about more.

But it's that's it works. It's not for me. But let me about things of those

that we're that's but for me I use of example because for me is equal that the

guyina no I don't know in the guy no creon in the The unicorn and the gallina. It's not reasonable.

What's what he's saying is that is that is reasonable. One idea of God, like, it's not that. That's not that. It's not much important. Exactly. No, no.

It's the argument that's done. No, no. It's all right. No, no, it's all. Okay. One question. Pardon. But not,

for you know, to understand. So, so, already, no, has been found any evidence

as to say that God exists. Correct. But not I'm not so I'm is there's a good.

Correct. If this is the evidence, I'm a okay. I'm not not quite. I'm a

but it's that it's not because I'm negating, I'm saying for me not it's saying, but I'm

a problem is that I'm a sure, all they're all they're all all they're all right. No,

no, I'm I'm not I think I'm not even there. I don't know that there no, I

think, but if there is there is still to say, it's a question, let me let me ask

a question that just a point that just episode earlier where he was the solito

and that's the invite of and then I'm not he's to talk to all right but we're going to the table Odin said something

he said something he said is more if you want to say you're saying you're saying this I'm

so it's my own that my ideas I'm I don't I'm offended I'm saying

I'm saying I'm saying you know so I'm no no Odin said how will be possible

that God does exist and And that God permits the violations, the sequestros, the robos,

the abuser, the conquis, the cliquities, the slavit, the torture. If God, it would be that God.

And if it's a joddiv more, words, more, man, man. Dill, no, if I was,

what I'm going to, what I'm going to, what I'm saying is. Or, what's the thing is, what I'm, what you do is,

what you do it's what he is what he's in the name of God, no, that is the first with what

I want, the people in the the people the people who the people who the people who the people who

the people who the time we're in the we're going to to read the comments of the religiousos and to say I'm

to go ahead and then I'm not just a thing that's not just a thing of the religion is that that's the

God, the God of the that's the there's written in the Bible in the Antigua Testament. There's the

God that's there's the God does it's the infirn't where you're to go to go to God.

where no, there's all these things. There's all these things. So, there's a lot of a superiority of moral to put you to

because I'm going to the question The question is because God that God makes, because one of the thing is that the people is like,

because the man is free and can do you there are idiotas. But when it's in the name my, because if

you're representing to me and you are doing this, because no, back to you say, oh, p.m., I don't know,

so no, I don't know. So, Why he'll permit if in his number? Before

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and now continue we continue we this episode. How assimilo the idea of that exists

a God Cuisensies is the love, the passion, the unity, for that word, and with

all the injustices that there in the world. How can I can't consider those two concepts?

Well, to start, me, say the word, the father, very amable, in the Buddhism, no there

a tradition of a God, there's in the Sutras, the Buddha historical,

like a contemplative, a mystic, says, yes, there are, there are there,

but are subject to their own their own to the one, the sutra of the

other, one can be not as a fault of respect but

because there's if one one to do a mesoamerica and

they're the people of the creation mesoamerican that we can

see from from the Mayas. We can see the the

India we can see and there in this context a

not a lack of respect but an understanding and there

has consonance with Odin of a system of

creences individual family of tribal social and of nations. So,

I'm here to make that the human not is absent or separated

of his creencies. Sean creencies in those that say, in the name of

God, also there are impresentables atheists, there are presentables

Judeo- Christian for not to not to not to not the details.

But that I want to take it in the essence, to all the traditions

spiritual religious, have a propesta humanist amorousa that one can

replicate and attack to any other tradition religious, Buddhism, judicristianism in general,

Hinduism, because his representatives are there have been abuses sexual has been

unrikes illicit, manipulation. That I don't know in terms of a tradition religious.

I do in terms of the fragility human. And the fragility that's the naturalness. No, because when you're talking to naturalization,

also you're like creating a destiny. And a difference of the animals and the usuricatos and all these, the difference is that the human, no, has their own own own own own own naturalness, is the natural of the cortex prefrontal,

the imagination, and for that naturalness human. Correct. And there, and there have been horrible systems political, horrible systems religious, horrible decisions collective and social

in-contra. Now, yeah, you know, I'm in common. No, no, no, no, no, no.

It's very practical. So, the question is, how is that God is how is that you know, and you're,

and you're v. No, I'm v. I'm doing water, water, you know,

you know, there's a person, you know, a, no, a, so,

a, thing, no, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

uh, in the processos cognitive that part of the awareness no referential, yeah,

of being being, and as capitalizing, centralizing, becoming more narcissistic to the experience

that's, you know, so the dencify in a ser, a subaliened more,

more, more, more, more, with the theories cognitive and even

neuroscientificas that us say, the reality that one out is because the

Cerebro is because the Cerebron, is what says the extraordinary neuroscientific

Mexican, Ranulfo Romo, of the UNAM, that says the reality and the reality is in the Cerebrough, and if no

there would be a memory, no existier the reality. Because it's in the reality in that the

human imagina that all exists, and create a and create interactions and create systems

political, corrupts or militares or fascists or, as it whatever, in a

strict, the budism would be a part of to look the narrative

and not identifications. The emotions not identification the sensations not identification and then then you get

to a state of pure mindfulness of pure presence plen from where you can get you,

you get your abrigues you're a person, you know, the religion is a good that's the thing

not important not much concepts and how many things, human and that defiant the biodiversity. So, no, there's no

a god and not permit and not not part of the religions, no. No. No. This is a

religion. The Hinduism, the Hinduism, yes. The Buddhism, yes. Exactly. The Buddhism

has a notion more cognitive. It has a, a, a rodeo religious, but when

not is it can get an trapado, as far, as I'm a religion vulgar,

because it didn't know, and, he was, he was a Marxist, Troskista, well.

more than Stalinist For other The Hinduism has a great diversity where are monotheists Pantheists Pandeyists

D-Iists and there even there no dual but there there is more a dejo religious The tradition

Buddhist is more the notion cognitive and the reality And the Taoism that is

a certain to Buddhism Sercano but it's but not the same because the Taoism creen

a grand energy universal that is the equivalent to But as as

previous to that's the nada. The nothing the potentiality of the space.

So there's a Taoism philosophical contemplative and there's in a non-respetable. But

there's to see the different dimensions of both the Taoism and also the buddhism.

Okay, I'm perfect. Entendium? Yes, we're, yeah. It's other

is another system of creencers. Is that why don't you know why don't interrup

so? Why don't no no no no Pesance apesta. Okay,

see, see, I'm going to another. It's another to be a question. But wait a

we're going to one. No, no, no. I just I just want to establish the piece. But then we

know we go out of the piece. Aguant. What, what's, how I'm I'm not

the injustice when it in the Catholicism exists a God total-poweros with the that is just

and that's that's amorous and with he can and he makes miracles and it's

and it So, that's, you know, also, also, also, also,

how, how, , how, , the injustice with this God? The first,

I'm a much pain that you're not, those, have received, the attacks that

because those, no, me represent to me. Thank you. So, that's, I can say it because one

that's really in a God that's supposed to that's a more, not should be

to say, to attack, by creencies that one can, you know, can establish what is

my, what I think, what I think but I'm trying to but one that's a

very clear thank you I think I'm sure I'm not so you're sure that's sufficient

because the the mal is a mystery in many aspects but the the word clave

it's going to put to understand to understand to a no no because you're

I said I'm so I'm I'm going I'm going I'm I'm I'm going to

I'm so I'm so I'm in the life. No, don't you don't know,

they're not not, no, no, or some a problem, or something, or something. I don't

to say, irrespectuos. But also, but what I'm doing to say is, not they're doing like, not they're talking,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't me, no, I'm,

no, my, I'm, my papa live still, and I don't, I'm, my, so I'm,

if I'm, so I'm going, by there a matter of in the man of my So my father can intervene,

clear that can intervene. But also my father knows that I have the freedom of what I

want to be the problem that I think here is why God not actua when could be

to be that for me is the great risk of the freedom because

because at we create us God, for me, he takes you can say,

you can say, you can't say no. You you can hear a podcast and be open or

you can start to let's try to you you can love a or you

can't even in my name is a it's a risk but for

me there three three three great incredible that

God the the reason the the fact of I that I that I

think that I feel that that we because we're not simply, so what I said the thing of the compassion to Sarah Tuddin,

we're not, we're not going to think, we can't be compasible, because we're the fact of the person

needs a good that I have. Two, the actual of to be able to my life to and three, the fact of

my, of my liberty, the fact of the you even, and there comes the part of

the eternity, to say, I don't want to be to be not the God. I'm

that God me castigue, is that I want to go there with him. So, so is the the time of the liberty.

I have to say something about that's two things. One, I'm it's like the liberty not is

when it's, you can't not to be to be the rest of the eternity. You decide. You're free. No,

there's much liberty in that. If I'm explained, no there's a much liberty, it's like, if you know,

you can't be a lot of but it's in the, the love in the, if you if you

you know, Or, or, or you know, or you're going to other side. So, that's, even a relationship. No, sure. No, sure. Or, or me amas or, or you can say to love to someone and not be going to be. And you're going to be able to, but no, is,

or me amas or you're going to be? But it's not, or there's a lot of life? But is that in the truth. For that's, for so I'm saying, and for so, I said, that's a lot, that's a lot, but it's a state in the world. In the no, there's, because no,

because I'm not. And if I'm a cojino. That is, that is another thing. that I want to say, I'm, you've been about a rite of a lot of

and amorosos and the eternity where constantly that nobody could can't get to to be a man to get to be the person,

if you've got to have been in the same person, and a little sometimes you're sometimes the relations are all the relationships are

and then the concept of the love, the love not durer for all the life. Neither the the amissed

during there's much in the secondary and then the secondary, and then we're separated, we we've got to

other forms of to think And now my form of to think changed and now I'm going to with Regil. And Regil,

now, of a repent, no, because he changed for the form of zero, and it's very aggressive.

Or I'm because the love this person, but my relationship, but my relation so I'm

so much. So, thanks for my time. Thanks for to love, thanks for to be,

that's not going to go to be a internidad. No, no, you don't know, you know,

but why is the person correcta? It's that even, even when the person is correct, I mean,

I mean, my abelos were married six years. So when the person is correct and when the love really

is a work really because the love not not we're to armar, but I'm going to work to work to do

all the eternity, I'm going to say a word to say a verb. But it's that we're

saying my point of view are much are much. If we're we're going to do the part of the

but it's our model. Our way. rational is human. But then put me a human. So, so we can we

do a man with all the things that the love means that the thing is exclusive and the love is celos.

So, God, that is all a lot of the soul. The real I'm here.

I would have a mind. There's a different types of love. And how they're

rationales. The classic the art of Amar of Eric Fromm us says an extraordinary approximation to

the different conceptions and even culturales of the all this to say I'd like

to retomar that there's an amor to the humanity, a more sexual, erotic,

there's a love to the other transcendent. I'd also in this construction

that I think it extraordinarily enricheser that's here the father, that's

Odin, that you have you have you and you retomning these reunions ecumenical

where the Dala Islam with a Sikh, with a rabino, with a

sacerdote Catholic, with one Muslim man, with a pastor evangelical, and here not is it's about to

questioner and say, oh, yeah, but is that the thing is kind of anti-quered and it's a little ridicule, and the Arca of Noah or the

vengeance eventual. A me it seems that as we're in this post-modern that we're we're not we're not

in the parts of the Bible violentas, not in the parts of the Koran violentas, but in

the parts more amorosas, because these leaders de pronto emphatis

aspects amoros, aspects of respect to other where no there's not there

is the reason, no, no, the is the is the Christian,

or the truth is the is the Jewish or Hinduista Brahmanica, but

that we could we can bring elements humanists to that

that that to believe and be respected. Very well. I'm not I've terminated

I'm all this and how beautiful we're all together and we're all and we're still we're supposed to us and we're to come to be in a mess

debate, to say, oh, what I'm going to do you, what I'm going to we're going to say, we're

not going to you're saying, I'm not, I'm trying to and the ideas of what I'm trying to do do you're trying to

do you're to be trying to let's say, I'm going to oh, no, oh, no, I, no, oh, no,

I, too, oh, no, to do it, it's more great. No, we have to we can't to be able

to talk about your book you're talking. Your book is my great. Sure, exactly. This debate

was put much more more than the next episode and you'll be you know, you know,