El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 274 - Cómo recuperarte después de una pérdida - Gaby Pérez Islas

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

Todos hemos sufrido una pérdida, como un ser querido que muere, un trabajo que termina o una relación que llega a su fin. ¿Cómo podemos recuperarnos tras un duelo? Gaby Pérez Islas nos acompaña con sus consejos para sanar el corazón.Tu mente puede ayudarte a sanar tras una pérdida o un momento muy doloroso. Aprende cómo, en mi clase GRATIS y EN VIVO, el próximo martes 20 de junio 👉: https://suenos.marcoantonioregil.com/mente-sSígueme en:Telegram: marcoantonioregil.com/telegram¿Quieres llevar del podcast a tu vida lo que aprendiste esta semana? Descarga GRATIS el ebook que te ayudará a lograrlo. Da click en marcoantonioregil.com/aprendamos Sigue a Gaby Pérez Islas en:Instagram: @gabytanatologa*Importante: Nuestros invitados son expertos en sus temas y reflejan su conocimiento y su punto de vista, siendo conscientes de que cada una de las opiniones es totalmente personal. La información, datos, comentarios, estadísticas que se presenten en el Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil, son de exclusiva responsabilidad de quienes las emiten y no representan, necesariamente, el pensamiento de Marco Antonio Regil o de la producción del podcast.

Duelo is the accommodo that you're going to have been of all the emotions that you generate for having been a per. The people want to quit your dolor because they're incomodas with your

dole. No, they're they're doing something very magical, very important, very impactant that you get your your door,

that you rescite of that's, the heart that's the heart that's doesn't do, it's a bitacetable, it's ever more love.

In my heart I'd like to say to you'd feel more but as I'm that I'm sure

that I'm like I'm but I'm nothing to say more than I'm do it like that's passing for that

I'm going never going to when someone me say I want to I want my my life of before Gabi

no, because of not before it's but the time you have to not have to be a

different the felicity is changing how superar a duel there great duels in our life, but also there are little duels that, a

sometimes we don't recognize where not necessarily we're not necessarily a person, but we did a lot in our life, even not has gone from the world physical. Today, Gabi Perezlas, who is expert in tantatology, expert, also in manage the peridas, us will be about how manage us during this

time, or this epoch, of the duel. The duelo has caduciddad? Much of people say, those who are my around tolerated my duel for a time, but pass two, three, months, and you You know, and you can't get you well,

and I can't continue living my duel. Well, of that and of other things that will be able to learn to learn

to learn to talk about. From the Hotel Grand Fiesta American Chabultepec in the beautiful in

live that comes to the same year episode 274. Commensate. The Mark Antonio Regi is a production of RGiel

Entertainment and all his rights are reserved for us. Gabi Peresislas is licensed in Literature Atin-American

and maester in tanatology with specialities in codependency and family, logotherapy, spirituality, and suicidology. He has published six books where he compartesies and apprentices to

over-givered the Pertil. In your channel of YouTube, Gabi has more 350,000 subscribers and 24 million of reproductions. Gavi Perecislas is on the podcast. Gabi Perecislas, welcome to podcast, my God. Many thanks.

Thank you. Wow. We'll receive us with an Anorme carino, for all the help you do you guys, for the advice, for the advice,

for the advice, this is a podcast that I'm sure that's done to a much people. Thank you. Mark,

me motion to me too, because, more, we're going to talk to one of my things

favorite, not the problem, but the recovery, but that's what most me

like, to that's to what I do I'm to do you to do, that's my mission,

to say, to say, to the after after having a good had been a great dolor.

Marivios. We'll to enter in a theme without not record that if you're going to

the content of the podcast, like to the video, activate the about what you've going to learn to other people for that the

episode to get a much to more people. Well, reading statistics, we're saying

that in the three years, obviously the pandemic and what has succeeded, one of every three

people has had been a period, a period, a period, and a an accident, a family who went to the COVID

consequence of the pandemic, a divorce, there was a lot of divorcees in, during these three years, pedias of work,

changes of domicilio, perid of a pern, a cat, has been a three years where there have been more peridas than what normal.

Yes, totally. The life was done of the death and we're done of the

but we don't to be to have all these duels, over all right, a thing, Mark, one is that I have a period in a moment in the

there's a person who I can you can recargar. And other is to have the perdida, when all

they're in what you're recargals if we're living a pandemic? As well, you're the job,

it was the security, and if not was the security, a family a family or the

fear to a person that was something that was a something. Yes, And people that

give you dobles and triples peridates. I have a great friend, the enciated Gabriel Fara

who is director of the career of the Dereach in the tech of Monterrey. During the pandemic,

he was his brother and his father. And so he's got to do his mom. So it

has been three years durissimus and not the only you know a brother with much

much, much love. And there been much people. Mark, I took in the

fair international of the book of Leone. I was I presenting a book and and then at a hour of the

questions a person a second a seconder and me said, is that 10 of my familyaries more more than died.

I think we have been had been a predisposition genetic to that certain people, the virus was absolutely

lethal, no, when the initial of the pandemic when no there was so. So imagine

what is that's the cifras are alarmants. I don't do you do, I don't

I didn't have to work a only day during pandemic. The tanatology

was one of these professions necessary. I never did to see to be people

presential and also I'm going to do that therapy in line for the same.

So, this this necessity to get to give us but also also,

I'm a way, to the people to the people that's so we're just to

support to you. To me me did, to did you did that episode

that did that took that still and continue and And the people said, that regressive, Gavi,

for so we're here. To be able to dole. So, we're going to understand. There are duels of all the times. There are duels secretos. There are duels great and public. But what is the duelo? Let me love.

I'm going to start, pass, pass, to go ahead. Duel is the accommodo that you're going to have to have been to all the emotions that you generate

for having a period. So, fifte how we to start to differentiate. Because the The people use synonymous of duelo and luto, and no

are the duelo is what is what's in your emotions, and luto is what is what is outside, what you do do you doest, if you're in negros, if you dozes, all your traditions, have to be with the luto. But the duelo is interior. It's how reaccommodo, how capitalized

what I've given to my favor, and it time. So, duelo is the the dolor that has a bad at

that's a perdida is a marco perdida is something

that I have but also something I never I'm

and I never we we're the little little the

people that the people don't know no that's very

I'm I'm a person I'm a professional and

never I never I'm even I was a a

perid. If I wanted to be a architect and in my family me said,

oh, no, of all in the family we're not, you have

to be medical, that's a person, the woman that was

a mother and never was for the because it was that

was that that we're that the other that the

other don't that don't that can get hard

and can be can the way the disfut that we

have we have to this life. After when falle a animalito

that's part of the family not all the people don't know for a dog or a

dog or a god or a cat or but a caro but they're so

we're so we are to make that we there's there's there

there so I think that the things that you are very

things but a sometimes not there sometimes if you're you're

in serious what you said you With respect to a Mascota, for that you you'll buy

sufferments and there's quite there's a lot, there's you adopting perros, recogient of the car,

you know, that's, you know, that's a more, you know, that's a man,

there's a lot of there's, there's and it that's that's the thing,

that's the thing, that's a un-conditionality, and that poor. Oh, Gat-Tun, yeah.

The duel silencios is this that, that we we don't we reveal

because the society not the problem. That is the duel silencioso? Oh,

wait a because there various, there's there's many things. I'm there's

there and I'm never and I'm and I'm and other and I'm not

have. But there an intermedio here that is something that I

didn't but nobody said that I didn't so when it

I'm I don't have like that support social I don't do you

don't I can to cry in public because at the more I'm the man. And then it was illegitima

my relation. Never was free and also I'm not quite to dolear to the person. Right,

that we talked about this, Marko, you know how many people came to

me, because her mother, but they didn't even go to go to go to

get to and then they were their rest, where had had the urn,

the niche, where was not the family. And This duel silent, this duel that is in silence and that no has no recognition social, is

very doloroso, because, to be, if the love is real, the duel is real. No, we have to make a juice of any other type. If the love is real, your is real. And there is a lot in the stages in those things that are going to go

with the tasks that require the duel to be able to dole. Wow. I want to say your question, but no I want to desviart the the theme of these small and great

dolores, us could you do more examples of the people, many, those are very obvious, no?

Yes, the grandes, I would say in the greats, there the murder of a man, and when I'm

being a person, we're including to those who conviving with your house. I include

between the grand peridas, the peridid of a family, the part of your and that's

part of your family. Those are those are those are those where there is a

caravire. It's so it's too identify because there's a cadaver. Also

the also the problem. There, Mark, when we're we're

all we're all, because you can not you can't not

you want to you have to you your house is

a part of the health also the part of the

good because the mal parja is a little a if you

didn't with it she was she's a you thought you

have you had got a point of a point of you're the person to

you've got to not necessarily you're in that's the problem when that that was that relationship

significantly in your life. Yeah, a sometimes when the relation is a relation

a young that that's that they're all of a life in common, that their

lives came when they were when they were they're they're

they're a good a good a good a part it

a future precious. Oh, so you know, because this is my creencia more firm,

that we're a feach of caducida. That nobody is a move in the bifest, like they're in the

pavispera, like the day of action of grace. Oh, poor, he's the only that he's the only

that's the time when we need, exactly when we're exactly. It's not really the experiences that had to

live, but not we're not we're not all we're doing, not all we're going to

not all we're going to not all to have children or to work in something or to be able

or so but if we've been the experience of the love, we've we've been

we're but when when someone who's more difficult to accept it because there's a

sense of injustice because if was if it was so if it was so if it's so young, if he had

a future so brilliant. But who no more more in the grandes? I mean there's a

kind of that's not an question to the because, this supposed that's

not the question, I'm not, this is the way of the life, that's, because I'm, you know,

conceived. It's a way, it's an expectation that's a really, that's what we're really, we're really,

we're not, and we're not, we're not, we're not, we're genetic, there's, there's,

accidents, and we're accidents, and we're gonna that's, that's always always we're to record,

it, we're not because our because our we're not, because we're what it's a matter,

but it's a problem of When someone says, why the person for the thing of biology? No, it was not any the

Voluntate of God, nor is a bad on the life, nor a bad suorpe.

It was my creencia more firm. To see, what you think you do you think you

when we did you know, we're just the day of Murtos the, the,

so we're so we're talking, you and I and all and I'm so, and you're just

that's the world that's they're going and we're and I said, no, no, we're going to see,

so he'll be like a ryeye, so I'm, well, I'm not, well, I'm,

I'm going, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, no? Yeah, my commenter was because that you do this

much the people, much, that's, that's not that's not, but you're they're saying

with a good thing, oh, but you're you're still, you're doing like, you know, they're like,

they're saying, they're saying, they're like, they're saying, in the live, better no we'd say anything. I'm sorry

much, I'm with you're going to you're going to do. I'm doing, that's really, but no we're doing conclusions of you you know,

and you're going to you know, you're going to be a little bit of then you're not a little bit of yeah, it's a great.

Yeah, I had 806, for favor, what you said, oh yeah, we're not we're not we're not

our parents, or sons, are our brothers, but it's too, but it's, but it's, because there's this necessity

like to some way justific or aminorar like barnissar the dolorsito like that yeah, so it's

murg, blah, blah this is very interesting Marco because the people want to get your dolor because they

are not they're not they're not they're not they're doing something they're saying something very magic

very strong very important that you keep your that you get to that you get to

that you you're you're to know that the duel of what we're talking is this acomod

of emotions. There's a way to pass a time. The only way of the only way is to do

well is a through the problem. If you detienes and you have been to get riddenes

you can't you can't with all. The dolor is patient the the dolor is a year

no matter you think you're you're you're there's much more more

long will do the process. But, but, sure, no,

you know to get to get to get to get to because you're to do you

to do you to do you? I'm not to do this. This is durisim. This is duri'

and no. In reality the the dolor comes, a great master, to

give us a way really rudd, I know, but it comes to build us and to

make us more to make more to be in a part of the with the team,

it's like the 53% of the people that have a period and are passing for the duel they're saying that's good suffering and have a lot

for a time. There's like there's a sensation of that the the pain, that the pain has to have a fecese

and the 58% they said that at the three months, sentian a pressure of his friends and of the

society Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, I mean, so, first time yore, here I'm sure,

no, I'm sure, but the three months is like, you know, you're not you're doing. Yeah,

and you're saying like, yeah, no, amiga, you're all, you're all the kind of

like if were a gripa. The duel no is a gripa and I think you

know, because there a pressure ultimately, let me say, a new new,

a new a new, like, And I'm a law, because it's a law of the laboratories finally. In the States when you've

more than six months, extranawing a person, not you have been reintegrar to your activities, to your routine, and you're still

extragating much and you have like crisis of identity to six months, it's called syndrome of duelo prolonged.

No, how you? I'm, I'm sure. I'm not, it's an article of New York Times where you can say,

no, it's possible that now it's possible that now you know, but there's a of the front of

this. A medicine. For a course. For that's

because if you yeah is in the book of the of the those

trostornos mental, because you have something you can recetive an antidepressive

an antioly no do dodes that will a rata a patsy

a stia of duels. To me be a to be able to be able to be to be

that you to be an antidepressive about a therapy with a psychiatrist, like a

a tool, not would have nothing bad. But a pastilla, because if at the six months, yeah,

for the six months, you know, you're not, you're saying, that the three months, you know, a three

months, it's a very clear. If at the first, you have a markage personal of

all, they're all, they're there, and you're much attention. And at the three

months, they're they're all, they're they're they're doing, they're they're doing,

and at the three months, Marko, you're Because in the stages of the dwe,

the first step is like this shock initial, a negation. So, it's like if you were acolchonado

for that not you calli the goal the magnitude of the occurred. So, you go to a funeral and

and you and you and you and you're I did it I did that much, I did

that quite that's a dopable. Because yeah the comadre he gave to take

this, to take the other. And I don't have understood that maybe in the

Cerebro, but in the heart, I've understood that his father has been and then

that's going to get into that's to dole and me noho. And me nojo, and I'm

nojo, that's the second tap and I'm so that they're about? Three

months, no has no noes express, and duels of and we're

we're to know that we're there, the chavos those chavos that are so fresh

get a a, I'm a chab of a consultory one once and me said

he had had been a lot of his father and he had made to get a consulta

and he he's not he's not much much more he's going to do it

so of the duel I go well depends the first year it's

like the first you've a reconstruction me me said

two two years is the less and when me did when I was

I'm I'm no no it no it's no it you can do you you

can't you You don't you You don't We're going We're talking We're You know

the life without your father From the day one that you your father

Yeah, now it's not just he's my my papa is a new

world without my father you think that that's in three or six

months no that's and the tendance was to structure

two years for a two years for different perde

right We about that not that are that we don't

because there But no there's time. If something would I would have the

Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross mother of the tanatology were the etiquette

and the time. And I said you not you don't you don't

so you have to have to do that so there no time determined can be

a year five years eight years but but what important is that

you get you in an time in the enojo the Ravia

that not you get in the depression as you In the first

you, I'm going to I'm I'm going to there's three verbs that's

we're going to use in gerundio, always. You never going to say, I've got to

live, Gabi, yeah I've to have to live what I said, you, is much soberia. Vivien

in Gerundio. For end, learning, and then, learning, and the next is sananando. Sanando.

One, one a a few times think that you know, that I'm doing, and it's

a lot of a crisis of anniversary, or another other thing in your life, and you

remue the things. Not is that you're to go to you know, it's that you have done, but

it's like the duels and the realey up, you get to come, to come,

to get upending, and to continue to sanating. Vivien, learning, sanando,

like a, like a way, living, living, and always. If you have new

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The the juice, the case, I'm I'm a man

a big, I'm a great doctor Paloma of the Fuente that per

his wife Omar, that also a man a accident in a motorcycle a second

we're in Los Angeles, we went to visit her, we're going to go to the run to the run to the know, we're

going to go to pass a year new together. Two a month after there's a year's a

man in an accident. And he passed, he passed to Palomita, what he has to

people, they're going to get to to be able to the people, we're we're trying

the we're just I'm I'm put to have prevenido, I'm said that

that to have evicted. I should have, and so, then, then the suffering of the culp, can be equal or more grand, even, than the perid that, the disprendiment. And the suffering of the, of Uviera, and of the, of B, D, you're just

occasioning, you. You, you're going to be your agressor. But there's a reason, Mark, to do, and I've understood with the time. Because of nothing you know, that someone to say, no, no, no, you're culpable, no, no, no,

you know, no, you know, think that that's that's that's that that

the is energetic that's enoched the enojo that's so

I'm even a little of the I'm I'm energy what I

would you put your your your tup you

do you I just I'm just I'm a and this

me a an accident in a car and a

a little two a It came a video on on the So the mom, well, imagineate

she culp- She culp- She culp- She flagellable in culpa, de-verda was a thing terrible

and one day I said, what would I'm going, I'm going to that cut that and I keep that

that would or so I'm trying to try to you know, and I say, you'd

in a true and then then I would be I'm okay, you'd

I'd go, you'd what you need what needs in this to have the energy to

to survive. With the time and the good work of the duel, you're doing to you don't have that you know, that we don't have the super power for,

if I would have been there was been I'd have said that he'd be to be a lot. To be, if you'd have done

a lot of from the first of someone who has to do you do you're saying, so you know,

we've been that's over the other and the I'm, you I'd say that's something,

with what we we'll play us, tege his trauma and all the circumstances and all the people are

objects of the destiny for that something that's the thing that's that the cause is a form of

my own than me than I'm to abandoning to the other. And also the

the culo after can be your points when when you see you feel you

that's that's those are your points of what you have to better in your because what

you've been to do you apply to apply it's if you you're all right you're because no

I said to my mom sufficient that I'm but you still you've to your

father what you did you what you did it and say it to do you to tell you

to your father. So, lookate also that's like bullet points

what I need to work what are my assignatures pendentes to do it

but finally we have to we're we're not we're perfected because we're

not we don't we used the result not we're not that someone someone

someone has someone someone that's that I'm I'm a better father

or a better a better a better but what when we back

we're we're doing I'm I'm I'm no no

I'm no no but supping that you're a

family my kids, go manage and we're all in the more than I. Well, it's

my because I should have seen the carmion or I don't me have done that

a while we should have been able in an car. So how I'm what I

know what I do you know. Because that is a type of that's a call the culpient

me. I'm really really because I still live and you you're

not you not you're not you do you think you Acquirtate,

look, as we're doing all the terms, something is very important. What is Culp? Culp is that I want to be something and I

do something to do you want to you go to get you. So I'm going to you get to you get back, you're going to

you get us. If that is my Culp. I want to that I'm that I did something to

do something and I'm so I'm so I'm don't want, and without I'm not think you,

we're not we're responsible but not it my fault that you

have you're the and the accidentes and the person that's

that's that you're the circumstance of the accident, are the not there no,

no, he's put the the thing, I was was my because

I should have been because I would be a person, but you

you're you're you're so you're not, no, no.

So, so so I'm so you're responsible, but I was my

Culpate. It's that I gave the virus to the house. A bit you were you, we're all we're in

pandemic and during the pandemic no-upupis a lot of a little bit more disquidated in but culpable

we didn't we're not our intention. So if no there was an intention clear of to do something

not, but well but as you you say if that's if that you say if that

so me understand, Mark, with the time. That we need to get to get us to get to do with and for that's so not we're so that's so

that's too and say to someone, that's how it's how it's how it's because I think the error in

the things is always try to to put an etiquette and say what is that is the tantalogy

what is that is not that's not in you but what we're going to do. We're not

nothing Now, Now, again, we're going to the world of the world of the little bit of the children,

there was a other than the other people. Yeah, I'm doing the time of the murder of a murder of a

life, the burden of the family, all those are like the those are like the

those. We're going to let's say, and I'm doing a category that a little could result

an unjust for someone, because we we'll what what what did what you?

That's when you, and that you got when you're every case. But a duel median can be, for example,

the pernida of money, that in the moment you feel you're, that the world's set up and that you kept without work, you kept without money, but, fifted, you've got to without your capacity to work. Only that's not

you see, and it's catastrophic. But you can't reinvented and can't be the initial of that can't be run-of-and-a and do another thing different that you make more happy. Yeah, but it's horrible, obviously. It's horrible.

It's all the people who people. Recently. Cryptomonedas, in a mal-inversion, in a company that's a bank-rotha. In interests,

businesses, that are much interest for your money. Because, there's there, you know, that's, those are those

peridies, that are you know, right we're going to say, that's not, but when it's is it. It's a

problem, no, because in part, there's a part, there's the the of the

money that I'm going to there. There's a bit of I'm

so I'm met in that I'm like, like it. It's like the thing. It's not

my responsibility. Correct. All due to do you bring to a detriment of your self-estim

because you think you could have done that you did you don't know what I'm how me de

I'm to get too. Here it's too when you when you when you're a very

good friend and he he he's not he said he's got

he's he did a question just a ghosting and disappeared to my life

so he phantasmio what we're now with respect to the relations he's

he's he's he's so oh that's it's the

only he had seen he had in the television that then I

think I've seen I've seen the Friendly Ghost for those who are in the

United. They were doing the in the United. Oh, it was really. Yeah, it was very little.

It was very very tierno. But, well, no is little and tian when you disappear from the

life, no? Amistades, parishes, you know, these perididas that, the moment,

you're that's that you're going to you're going to and then. And then the little

these little great peridididas, but are, you were, you were, you were, you were

a singleitit that is a culture all the time. We're doing youth.

Well, you know, because this year past you rejuvenes you're rejuice you're but I know.

I see what I'm in the space today, not is what I'm sure what I know what I'm that's the

day. That's the that I'm that's going to because I'm that's going to get in a drama

of a really of not can't be and how I do you can't get the little bit. The

little perid also of popularity, of status, the yeah no I'm the

not I'm not going so, this this recognition social that does that a dopamine

to the brain that that we see that the right and that somebody you don't know

I think much in the people people that's that they get to a time time

because you can't continue and you know it's the can You can sublimar it and be

entrenators or be commentarists deportives, but there's a duel and we've seen out of the cancha grandes footballists, but

grandes, the most grandes, who know that's their last time, your last world, and they're going to

get to be who you're and if you have got to you've got to be a lot of yeah, imagine the adrenaline

to enter to an stadium and to play, so to be able to be able to be successful or not

exorcistoso, because then just we know just we know, Messi's ultimate World, if is that it's that's the

people who are all the people that were simply deportists at a level local and you can't live in that's a lesson.

Imagineate someone who is a sportista that's a whole his life has been a and he can

go back to and who can not get what is to carry for that person also are

of these duels like are like that are illegitimous because, but it's a great

that you do you thank you I'm sorry that I'm going to I'm going to do you

know what this is that you know that I'm not that's a part of that's a

part of and it's it's a beautiful of the profession that I have I'm

if I just just I'm I'm that would get a a moment

that would I'm a stym of a But I see resilience I see recuperation,

I see acceptation, I see a people who have been those who have don't have many

and I'm see that and I'm and I'm and I'm yes no, it's possible.

So, no, dolele or incorrect? Duelo or no valid. The duel is

duelo. The duelo, as you dole, as the correct. So,

so I'm to be the letter little, because if not, right, they're going to say, Gavi

Dijo, no? Gabi said and he's going to go to serve a cupita because I see my duel and no, peren't me tantito because if there are things that no. No you can't do

do anything that you or do you do next. That's not valid. You don't know, and what, and what? I'm going to be going to be going to be

to have to be to have patience. No, they're having. And no, it's not going to pass to see. What you

have to do do is to do because the other not have the cause of

what you have done. But not you don't get in one of those

etes and you don't you get permanently in duelo because you think

and here be the catch. No you know that is proportional what I

amed with the time that I'm to get now in duel there

there. There's if I'm much have to have to get much

I'm do and how you you am you you

have the satisfaction of to have completed. You can get from the

duelo before. Not of the duels. Because to get of the dole

not is not is not to be reinvented the love. Sure.

So, can renegotiate that relation. Yes, contigioning to redire it, now,

in class he was what you did? What did? When the the person was

you were this love to this love to know to where

go, that's that way, that's now, to get to get a matter of who

who will be my new pariah, who will be to be to who who I'm in my case,

to who I'm a person, to who I'm to help if you you're to do you and that's

that's a part if you you're going to you're going to you're that we're that we're like if it

was a rachel of a rio of the lose, the object of your love is the object of

you. So where has to have to that's the right. You

have to you're in your you're in not the more. They're not more.

Because extra- to put to put to out of there. So,

all that that's a me and I'm I'm more,

I'm more so I'm more selections and I'm

like the car the rompe, not it's little

it's little it's about and it's a little yeah, yeah,

and there's there's there's a chance to this is this is

this is my abryed the heart I'm really much

much change let me yeah he's just it's it's just he's

it's not it's a bit a space where that that's the

door and it can't make more intracracement. Oh, how

it's called this technique Japanese of that when a vasica? A vasica

reenan the fractured and the fractured and the fractures they're with the water. So, it's the

basica that's the one is a value major. And why not could pass to

that our and the and the gold is the love. Because there is the

soundation the the love is the love is the application of the love to

the That's the sanation. How beautiful you did you. Sanatologist. Yes. Welcome. Welcome, colleague.

I'm just, me a phrase. It's of my, you know, Psychology Spiritualal, Maestro, Ronnie Holnick.

That's one of the premises of the psychology spiritual. The sanation, because they compared much to go to therapy and

to be a problem versus sanar a problem. So the focus of the psychology spiritual was was that.

I said, I said, to give a question. I said, I said, I'm going to say, no. But yeah

you did you? Yeah, yeah, because you did it, because you know, because it's about your

and it's all you. And yeah, I'm trying, I was, it was like it was a thing, and another thing

was living it. So, the, the, the application of the love to the other, to do it.

Right. Look, right, right, that you're understand, it's, between the

The head and the heart and the heart is 40 centimeters but they're in much

time. It's a distance that short as it was that's that the

reason, the reason has the reason is that the reason is and the question

that we we're, how, how it we're how it's how it would be

you're like, I'm I'm like the question, I'm I'm

that's what what does. What What does what is this to apply the love? Is that

the love is there the love not there because only you dole

to get to do you do you think that you're going to you're you're going you're

you're that you know with that you're not toxic to the relation that's

that's that's that's not a perdida because yeah no dole

what you dole was the relation. You don't the pleitos, the discalifications, the desencantartes

of the photo that you were in the house of the family perfect. But yeah that you

divorce, a little is an alibi, you know, there no there's a pain.

For that really really, it's a dole, because duel comes of

Latin Dolus that means it's a dolor. So, it's

has there's there there, there there, so the The love not has

gone, is present in all moment. When someone, for example, one of the one of the one of the

people, I'm going to to be a power. I don't go to because I can't

live. And I don't you have to live without his love. Because

his love is to because the life of a person but not with what we think we

for her and also what she didn't what she over-you- to be

a pern't a because that is a reality irrefutable. One over-vive the death of a

man. If you do you do you? Why? For the love? Because the

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we've been that when someone is going to a duel, for a pervida, there's

to start to start this expectation false of that I, I'm going to say

a little to say, I'm to start, no? I'll to be to be a person that

is No, it's there the but how I can help you? Oh, I'm

really, I'm really, we can't we're to try to do you to say,

no, like in the comparison. No, not you don't get any or less,

or at less. If you're going to say a dolient, it's with those

words, passatel no, no you don't do you don't do you don't say, you,

let's get it, and let's talk to it's structure so. Censurate for For favor.

For favor, no? Nothing that that's trying as intellectually to convince to convince me that's for that's

and this when we're we're just that's, fission of cables, when you're you're

you're gonna you're and you're no, you're not no, you're and you're

seeing your body and your body, and your father. Whoa. What is

this? I think we we're we're just to manifest our emotions because us

say, that's that you're that's that's you're doing. Fiatte, one thing

very chistosa with the little bit of getting, mom, I'm having a man, and the

mom and the mom and the mom we're saying, we're you know, you've never has done

an having to get to eat? Because to me see? Because I say to

a little you, no, you can't do you don't know when I think I

when you when you you're a classic, Marko, that is a classic

no? Because it's, you know, confies in what you see in your mom, confie in your boy,

confie in the other, and then you know, you know, you know, you know, you're in the society,

and if all people are saying that not, that's like, you know, you know, you're going a pass

a lot of not just, you're not just to be because if you don't you don't let's get to be

un-as- let's be, let's go, let's go. Yeah, let's go. Apart, not not to

not be to get to get to you know. I'm sure. Yeah, it's a perfectly

well. And what we do we're in nothing impact to to the people, imagine it's

if we're the power to retener an energetically. Well, it's ego. We're not that we're able

that we think we to get a but to connectar is much. So, what if we're to put us

to be the we're not? So, Well, the dream that we're, well, the dream and I'm going and I'm going to

go and I'm going to know there. No, there's a way to prove it. We're going to give it. But imagine to Godi.

Markito, yeah, oh, no, you're trying to get a lot. There's going to get to, no. I'm a

middle Marko with me, but there are some fans that they're in the hands that are getting to

do you can tryer. I mean, no. So, no, no, it's logic.

No. But the dolor, Mark. When we when we don't act we're not we're

not quite. No, you're in the duels, what is irrational and local,

it's normal. It's normal that you enter you a little that's a person, that you

talk about a photographia. It's normal. That's part of the duel. So,

what if is we say to someone that's in duels? It's more than

words of consuel, I think much in the presences of consuel, in

being there for the person, simply to be and if it's

a certain to you, if it's you know you're doing you know you're not you're

not you're so it's other that's other that's I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to

get to I'm I'm I'm a thing my son my son that's

he's like she's the okay so that's but that's that's

very very grosero Yes, so it's a She said to her mom Chiky I mean, that's like to that's like to

get to the whole, oh, how not it's not so that's not as we're going to so,

I'm going to but here in this podcast and, oh, what I'm what I'm what I'm

what I've been to my hita. Okay, so well, porteee how's it how's called?

Edward. Edward, Edward, I'm going to he's going to he's been he's doing and so

he's like that's like yeah c'clock yeah Mejor pico, no, sico. It's never, never never said, never,

it's just like, like, I'm like, I'm like, but I'm good to learn the labo, so I'm a master. Pico, and in Chile, the pico is that

that's ake. No, no. So, well, so, so. For Chile, editen it. A pico of the pagero. Well, yeah.

We're going to concentrate. Focon. In what to say? In what, in what do you? So, no, desinstructions.

No, we're going to to say to you're not you're going to do you're no, no mandes. Receive.

Apreend to start with the pain. That's the most beautiful that you can do to do to get to

your dolor, to be there and be assertive because to someone can be a little

a, a bultito here passive to come to someone is to say, you know,

a he he doesn't much the coffee, I'm go to try to a coffee

I know how he He does it and I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to you know, because he's a question.

No, much thanks because in this moment no know he's not even he wants. He's all

a turdied but I'm he's got I'm coming he has a sandwich and he doesn't know

you know just to come you know just like you know I'm just a shirt in the shoulders

because you're doing because you I'm doing this I'm doing a lot I'm just I can't

do things practice for you Acquirtate of the language of the so

not all it's not it's not to be a you can't you're going to you're going to you're going to

you go to give you go and you're going to be a pile of trastes there's a go and I

do you do you do you want you because you don't know because we're not receive

no receive no receive no desolesties no desalcedas no desleta that they you're that's

because of so for that so that we can't even we need the if we we need

us help. We don't we're we're we're and we know about you know about

but if he gave he left those plato oh, thank marvilla

you know or she he went to do you could do do you do something or he

did something or he and he he became you know you can't you can't be a

chat mandandol a day to know you know you know you know but I

just I'm you just I'm just I'm thinking you all all the

to share a link of a podcast like this to someone to say a person to be to dole is to do it

is to do. But respect to your dole, no, you know, you know, what I said

a rato, that the love, not you will destroy. I don't to destroy, you will

to be to be to be a more person. It's a master, the dolor.

Grand. Grand, master, of the very. Because I can you can,

I can't see in the past the duelo, if I'm never, never I never think

that I'm going to say, I'm going to be going to be able and that's part of the depression, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, it's about, it's about, it's like me, like me go in a pilot automatic

to the time that's the moment, I don't know it's a dramatic, but if I was super dramatic,

but no, I mean back, I'm wow, I'm more than I'm never, not, no,

no, not, not, no, No, never we're going to be when someone me says, I want my

life of the before, Gavis, Gavis, no, because of the first, but the time is now, it's different.

The felicity is changing. Yes, no, it's that you do so it's your being no, but

if I'm more, because me gave me for me and the way of the memory

of someone, to be your legate and be to be a little time to be

too No, it's not you know what a more it means a lot. And for that

you get enganched, because the duels is a cause a love, the love not.

Imagineate to the duel of a trampoline. You have to go to do that place

so you know, but you have to get a clavado to the life and be much more

more profound. No, you can get to to live in the the trampolin. The duel

is a shion in the you see you see a bit, you sit as

you moment because you're agotado because you're revased and then

you're you're you're and you know you not a you're because you

know you because they're because they're they're they've been the pain to have

to have to his parents, to his brothers, a family a man they're

not they not we're not we know that not we're not something.

Something more that I'm more than the what I don't say what I

I like much to say, is, tell me how you see. And what

said the Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ros, to all the patients, how do you

do you do you know, you know, you know to do you do not right,

but it, but you know, you know, we know, that the three months, the majority

is going to go. This is a marathon, not a carer of a one,

it's a marathon. So kettate. Kedat sercano because you're going to need to. For example, if you're

cooking this spaghetti, do two platones and get one to your house for that's a lot. This is a lot of the

United and when is the funeral they get millions, millions of platones that you're going in the

cold and during months you can you can't make because at the most you're

going to be able to be not going to be a disordens. It's a chaos.

If you you can help with something practical, do it, no you know preundes,

permanence and do what you feel you know, that you don't you never you're not you're

not you're going to do you and how it's what and what and what you know

you know you're because, fiftate the things that you can't ask you

can't put to put up that and that zero a yes

or exacerbate that history of, oh, how is possible? It's that only only had the age.

It's that you're doing more the story that's affecting that person, not with a lot intention. No.

I'm what I think you know, but there's other times, Mark, this case that I've told of a patient my

that was a couple of a year, he gave to a car, and she went to come to the car, and

she was trying to get her the car, she did it, repartue to They came on a chock, yeah when when,

a minute was a woman and she and he was the the seat the

car of my patient. The that was the family. The that was

the that he was and he was he was and he did, and in the belorio

the best friend of my patient he said, and to your other

other other you're going to and then is where you know, de veras where does it

where does where where you say, the pointy to a person, pattear to someone

to be the inconscience, of the absolute ignorance, inconscience, a lack of time you know you know,

you know, and it's that the fear, because when when he a lot of a lot

to do you, it's a part you, and you want to put it to you that you that you

want to understand how it so it when you do a when someone he does a

But what was the first symptom? How was it? How did what was it? What happened? What happened? In grand part, not because you have interest in the evolution of your process, but to you know, to give to me a child

he's doing a new heart. So if it's about the marion of my friend, see, now take a aspirin, pontele above of the language, do you have said what you had said,

what he said, the other. For that you ask, for indignt to find out and see how you you can't do you save as

to that what was to make a question. I have one I've learned to say, and correct me if I'm

if I'm wrong because I'm my heart. My heart has a sincere desire to say a but I know

can't do you know more more beautiful. So I'm the real bad. I go, in my heart, I'd

have something to say to be a more. But as I know that I'm not that I'm not

to say. But I don't have to say more that's passing for that. Here I'm It's perfect. It's perfect.

It's perfect. Because I'm expressing my desire to but I know I'm I'm not I'm a

so it's a really desire you that I'm but you see that you don't see that because

you're doing someone does the difference that's that's that's that's

that during the pandemic because not it's not that there was that there was there's

there the don't know the those dolientes need to have been so the

need to the need to then so the acudir to a funeral, a misa, the rendir your

respect, the time, no, for the telephone, for favor, with a message. There's a call us.

We'll go back to the person and say it, the question, the question, what you feel, you know, with morbosity,

but with an interest to how you see a lot of the message is interesting because also what

is the the same, is that in those times of cellulares, WhatsApp, Instagram, Facebook,

what who someone falleces, you get, that's a lot of messages, and you can't open those

and you can't give them all the times. So, how to say, I'm,

I'm going to get into 100 calls, or he made a message for that

simply me lea, how know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, listen, your question, because you If your heart you say, call it,

call it. No, don't think to be unoportune, because if you're inoportune,

no you will be to be a question to the call. Between one a sobredosis

of love and a lack of the overdosies of love. So, no peckos to get us

because this is something that me have been many that I know,

that I did, my people, my people, no reactionion

you know me invite to the things, me did you have done a little

they're because they're in not much because they're not so we're not episodes of

podcast like this, like the people that the people and know that be able to

be able and he and he don't feel like that I'm to make to get

to your your your I'm not not that

can't that you do you do what you do what you

So, that the Miova to know to say, is that I'm what I'm and what I'm I'm,

what I'm, I'm, I'm not, and you, and you, or say, think it, the fact,

you want, that you want, you want to be, you know, always, you know, you know,

how it's disappear, doesaprese all the world? It's, it's, it's a double duel,

because you know, because you're with who can't you've had been the covigita

and it desapar on the feet. So, you've seen to do a whole world

as really is. And we're to be prepared because when when the

the period, as you just it just it. I was I was I was

I'm talking and other it's just it's just it's a time of the time when it

is a time of the funeral of the the flowers when you

you have to regis your life normal and the people to

that's a subdial normal and you're going to be the same but without the company and without the

people and let me put a image in your head. Living a duel is like a

mountain. So at the first you're to get to get you, you know,

you're you're like the gasolina still to have seen a person

so you so you have been seen a still still still it

still the but when you go you're six seven

months you you You were you're going to be a escalada vertical totally, before to get to the crisis of anniversary, that is the

sea of the mountain. Yeah, no you have gasoline. You know, you're extranees that's the poor part of

the duel, the usencia. The usencia and dole and dole and it's much and no there's a

kind of of the usency, but there to understand it as the price for having a

love. Because the love not great, let me that you say. That's another

of the things of this book of the life and of the things that you're that's done and that's

done that's done. The love is paid when it after the problem with the

loss of the but it because the love the power the power well, well,

well, the only the only the only the only I don't have been a person is if it

is if not he had known if that person is, obviously I've

had passed the years of the woman but I could have been wervano,

I could not have known the he would have never had for not have seen the painer to be

my, I'd have never had never been never used not, not. Sure,

that no. With good, I'll pay the the of the , of the last

and with I'm a new my lunita that I do I know, and I

know, I'm I'm going to year, I'm a day, I'm going to repeat the history, and

I'm going to say, A other philosopher very good, Snoopy. One day I'm going to but other days, no? Other days, no? No?

Other days, no? Yeah, but you know, but you know, yeah, one, when it passes various duels, you know, you know,

you know, that you'll dole, that you'll do you know, you'll do you do you're going to do you and then you

go to be to doels anticipatory. Of course. Of all. There's, to know, we're not

we're notology. That's, I always do, or you have to learn over perid and to learn about the

and learn about you're going to and you prepare for that that's that's you're going to you're going to

not vivas a duel anticipatory look a a child a child and you say is that Gabi

just that just to think that's my mom no you know what I'm I'm put

my mom you're in the hospital is to your mom no in the house no

well bet with your mom go with your mom Kittate that of the head.

Because not is a relog of the ironed to you're going to get the granites to get the

yeah, it's going to get to get to get yeah, we're to get more yeah, it's a

hell to that's no, and then do you and bless and be and be and

and balled with her and rite with her and you get to get to your

question in your account in your money many memories for

that when you have to have to you do you make a account gorty a goody

and you know about and a part of something because you're going to let's say, well, we're to entertainer the

idea of that it's going to go, or me go, or I'm going to start. We're going to know we're

doing that person's able to be here. No, not you know, I'm trying to get to get to look at the

time that's I'm the topon that's not because not we're not form for of,

nothing, yeah. I mean, no any, no, no guarantee of your

mother, or your mother's going to be before you. But supponient that's

when you going to you're going to say, what would give her to get to go to

go to go to get to get a and I would be for a time.

It would because God's me the thing to give you give you

your time. So, so you I'm that some day that you

will be to or maybe I know to know, wow, what I'm a year that's a beautiful, that's the

day is today, here you're here you're here you're and give and be and start you

playing, amalalah. And also, right you say you know, you know, you know, I'm sorry

to talk with my mom. My mom was a woman so intelligent we were

we chattem us, we'd then I'm just like also like like but

but the most bad of the enoo of the playto is that my

mom, the day next you mandaba a great to a new a good

with a great, you know, I'm sure that's even I'm my little and my

kids and she was quite she'd and then my wife and then care of

a joy a joy of a joy of and all that's that's strange of my mom

even, even, to discuss with her because we're we're we're

we're we're we we're also, we we're to remember

to have to dark, oscuros. No, we do do a

lot of a saint. Because then if he was a saint, I, peccator.

There is to record it with his sunbra and his light and what was,

and all what we were, and all the I'm going, I'm there's a moment

in that, the, the salida is a through, not it can't

get to get to get to get just to get to you can't

go to therapy, you can talk, you can reason, you can you know,

and get a point that only energetically can get out of there. So,

no, there's a only no, no. There are many many ways,

but if me did you what is the formula, I think the spirituality,

I think the profoundity. If you are so totally superficial, you

will cost much to I'm doing a because you're going to get much in the usencia

physical. But if you logas go to get more profound that is what I said with the

image of the trampoline and do you get in the surface. You're going more profound.

And then then there discover many beges that I call regalos

envueltos in an involtura or opportunities bestied of Niro. But you

see, you sacas the apprenticeship. All your transformation Mark,

if you can't use to example all the change, all the evolution that you have been in great

part is to be to do the the pain to do you to do that and then

the immense of the pain that's that it transformed but not you

not you in a better version but in a better version

this this also is thanks to you see

that how and in the and the the when we're to be able to give us

to give us that we're that's the reason and the cause of all. And so there's

there's, but if there's a moment, like you say, you know, that you're

to say, there's a time and say, I'm, I'm can't to be to be a

kind of that's you, you need, you need to talk that the life will

continue sin you, you, you're reincorpor you, you're you can't

contemplating it. Yeah. Yeah, because you do you have you're a little

but a necessary to go to you're a moment in that I'm a moment in I just took

to think of all, I got to all, all, all, all, all,

did you know, to get to the endroof me. So, and from me.

And from it's where started to start and to grow, to work to be to work

much that the process in 2022 was, I mean, I was, I mean, I've been been in therapy, yeah, I've been readed books, yeah, I've seen about

and I'm going to talk about that. Yeah, but it was energetic nothing more. It was, I went to into serious

to the, mindfulness, to the , a, a, , to the meditation, and I learned just to wurele

to the sensation, not just was a thing of a thing, of the the pain the of the

and to hear of and we're doing the I'm going to I'm sure to be more I'm sure I'm

I'm justraig or I'm just trying to but I'm sitting the feeling the the dolor to recognize

it, accept it and say to the door okay here you we're going to be together in meditation

hours sentientol without and giving him and givingle love to say I mean I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm sure I'm I'm much love I don't have nothing to

say to. You're my. You're my. And you accept. Here you're I'm going to. And in the moment that I'm

to accept my and I'm not because I did it, but I'm doing a training of two years and a major

to be a master of mindfulness. And they were a requisite and we did a few days. And then

he started all the process. And then he was in a return of absolute silence of seven days.

I solded the cellular, all no communication. No, I was seven days. We were

we and we were to meditate and we're at the 9 of the night. It were hours and hours of meditation or sentados or caminand, without communication. And that was the

series. Because with who I was with the and the and to accept and feel it and not give him and just mandarle a more

and respirate with him. No, no, there was reasonabing it. It was just to just to

hear the kind of a little that was like a man that I was that I heard.

So he went. Wow. And he per die of his because it's like, thanks, me have you been being, you know, and you've been

seen. Yeah, so right I'm not of the pain of my mom, I'm I'm in the emotion that wow, no,

no, I've been permitted to sit me to see it. Sientate and see, is the

invitation of the life, no? Disen the Buddhists that when get the door to

you should to put to put a tapetito of those that we have in the door of the welcome, no, welcome.

No, me said all the I don't know I'm not, but yeah he's there yeah, that's there

receive it, sit at to take a coffee with him, dialogue, not you want to get to the tristesse

before to have extraied significated of it and then just so little when really you see,

when really you know when really you do you the dimension of the dimension of the love

and the love that you also to do not only to you're not to do you to get, and you're to get to

because at the first of the duel we're not a mirabed that I'm that I'm like if I

like if I did a tunnelcito I just see what I'm going that I'm going to

my hands with an accompaniment to give me to that's that's that that's this

also and it's that that because my little my nubal

me nublable and I'm going to do the I'm little a little a

little. You don't can't say to someone to have a

other of the things of the other and you do you don't

you don't you're to be to be a very is that

I'm not I'm not a three ramas and me cuted

one my car not they're not they're that

those because we think before to talk and if we

know we know we don't we're doing, we're because it's so personal the duel

when I'm making Marko and me say and I'm saying, Gavie, what's he's

that father? Who was that he was a child? I don't do you know I'm not

I'm don't know this phrase and it and it's a place for all and with

this you'll do you do you the tantal not you talk of general

You have to particularities and no there's nothing more personal like a way of your dual and your

dole and your dole and you know it I said I know pass to go and you know you know you

you know you you're back your that you that you got you you've got you've got

to find and that you know and you still you you're you're I think

I think there's the tendency to I'd like to be maybe to be

but I think if I would have done it I'm not I'm not not I'm but if

if I've had done I've been had been over minimum a year of the

because the only that was it was to live and feel and not not

not you're not not if you don't if you have

before I'm so sitate and you don't you know you know

you know you that's that story of leonad of leonade

Well, resulta that a leonador and he's a carer and then he says Alkapatas

no you're not you're to have been to have been and then he's a first day pass pass

pass pass cut a two two day yeah he got all the

time he had costed ten arbott ah car I'm dever

so that's yeah he's never he's he's three two until

he's He's-esperated, he's going to he says, I know what's going to be the sure I'm going to and the cap-tas

and he says, you've got to your acha. And afil my acha, no I've got time, I'm occupied, I'm

doing hard to and you much time, my dear Mark, like I, like many of those of

those who are we've been very occupied, even occupied for the pain, you've heard that right

I'm not I'm able because I have much I've been a little bit. I've I've been I've said. No?

It's like to who he's prohibiting? No? To who he's there's

probably there's three ral three rations let's go ahead for favor

because no no you can not you not the things that are not the

emotions that's there's there's there no emotions malas

some some some some some but of there but

yeah it it gets in the moment in that

you get and if you don't have the energy, not you don't have the energy,

you have to accept it. It's to be able to be running, you're remand contra-corrient and you

get to get to get to get to it's like, it's like it's because I'm to get to get into

and you put a tense and to be down. And there can't say, I'm

I'm chocked to I'm I'm car I'm and I'm when you're you're

a friend you're a a friend, you're that's that's yeah, me chockes, amy,

a little, no, really, the consolarias, you'd pass a pacholetit, but with you don't you try to

because you're not, you're not you're not you're not a more, love, amor, love, amor, that's is

the message of Elizabeth Kubleros, the love inconditional. And you know when we're when we

don't know when we really we're because we're always we're that the unicions

are the unconstionionally are because only they're they're not they're they're

not Tirth, because we're we're still. We're expecting that are good and we're that they're

that they're that they're decentes, that they can't make that they're like that's the like we're

we're going to we're going to some of them or that you want to be that's that's that's thinking

that's that's not a lot. No, but well, that's when someone when someone mire Marko

you, you know ever You don't you ever, and you know so the real love inconditional

is in the death and we're going to get to get to get to that level of the great.

That's there's good, many, very be able we've done. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. A pleasure. An applause of gratitude, of love. Thank you. Here

me brought a book. Oh, so. Convence me to live, it's name.

Look, I'm to be it. That's one of your six books. Yes, it's my novel.

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to say to the life. Oh, I'm doing it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're a love.

And you're a thank you. I'm very much. Because I'm in those years of transformation and I'm so I'm still.

Yes. I'm always thank you. Thank you. Counten us. Where you find us, where the people

can learn more to you, where the person can learn more of you, where can listen to podcast, too.

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so it's marvellousous. I'm can't see in all the social as about the

natatologist. I'm still in TikTok. There me they're there's there's

a lot of the generations, Gabi tanatolog I've a channel of YouTube that's Gabi

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I'm very I'm very my taut tips that are little capsules to learn a

little a also my podcast, that's called after the Perdida. And this podcast has your Instagram

also, that's called after the after the first of the official. Oh, I'm going to

find all the episodes, buskard the you want to get those there. I'm going to my page

of internet, because there is where you can find all my diplomados in line, the certification that I go

for tanatologists. If someone want to be a natuologist, I can't study with you? Yes, I have

a diplomat And then I have a certification for you if you want to exercise, for you to share my know-how. That's what what happens. I have a style very particular of 25 years, to work the tanatology,

to do, like it's done about the theme more serious that there, but not do a way solemn because it's really to be a life. So,

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to do that you have you have done that you you have

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to you're going to get to get to someone, we're going to put to someone, we're not to make a

person, not to be with that you know you have to have to be because if no,

the more you know, you know, you know, that's the thing to do that's to do a

way to do a way a professional, not lucre., you're, in, in the a life professional of this and a life professional exitosa, because nothing is a peleaded

the service. I think the money is the consequence logical to do something that's but do it do it's beautiful.

It's beautiful. And today we're like we have been people who have been that the of the

the time is oh, yeah no I'm going to come this job that I'm and they're

looking actively for some for some I'm I'm sure that for some that's talking

the tantatology could to do their way, a way to do something to do you

and do you know of that in a way to be in a job that that's the great the grand

despertark that's the great people, he said, oh, I don't want to

get a to be able to get a job, that's arisgandom in the traffic,

hours, yes, just the new that's what you're going to do, if you go,

if you're going to get a someone that has a lot time that's

a time that's that he that's going to that's in the tantalogy in the tanatology

there's no it's I'm always I've never got something I've got to a lot of

my life is because I've been a one or a great coach there's

there's the that there's for me it's one of the one of the first

you can you can't and there's a give. Of the way to do you

pass that that's a question. There's a there's a lot of in the thanatologists and you know and do you

do you know because I think it's very good. It's consoling always, alivar a little bit,

but do you that's a name. And with that the foot I'm moving to make a lot of

a tanatology. Aarriotel right I'm in the course that I'm going to be able this course

I've thought so, So, especially that now that's not that's the way, I'm going to go to be a solution.

But, yeah, I'm doing, but what that's there to be able to be. It's a thing. Because if

something we're going to be the life, it's a change and the time. I accept. You know,

well, I'm an question, uh, I'm, I'm going to let me say,

if you're if you're exigente, no me inscriberia, but for the most maestros are

the exigente. I'm, like, as a kind of, It would be a pleasure to have.

Reservame a place in 2025. Because I'm this course two years and I don't know when one when one wants

you can't. You know, but you do things well, but you have the certification and then I'm going

to start until in the tomb I'm going to start certifying to be a wait. Oh yeah

you'll be but you're not but that says the tomb of Elizabeth Kubler Ross

What is always a teacher always a student always a student always a copy paste I'll let me

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