El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 372 .- El secuestro que me transformó - Shulamit Graber
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It's parod. She pared, so, you've got a carmionette,
she saw, you've got, seen the movie of your life?
And the movie more catastrophic. And there me did two
questions rapidisimas, so in a second. If it's the
ultimate minute in my life, that I've been left for a lot.
Until where the system that we've created,
that is so unjust for much people, is the caldo of
the cultive for that the people that suffer in some occasions
to take this way. And we're going to be a woman political,
and confunded
the profile.
You're
to venders
that's the
that was the moment
that Ikebred.
They were violent?
Of course
you, I'm
by the
way to get to
go to start.
We went to get a
a bit of the
50.
Geree.
He said the
question more
difficult
that you've been
done to do you.
What's
you?
That's just
a penas
a probateita
of what we
going to
see in this
podcast
in the
which I
think we
can learn
much
our invite
Shulamit Graver
that is Dr. Honoris Causa for
for all the
work that has
a psychotherapist,
clinicalia,
with speciality in trauma
and resilience,
we're going to
talk just about
the episode more
difficult of
his life.
It's two
years that
was with us
and we
did this
episode and for
one or other
cause,
it's an
episode
because it's a
story,
because it's a
question that
we'd be
a lot,
we'd be
a year,
to do you
never,
no other thing
so,
but,
but,
in another
or other
form,
we've been
episodes
fourtes,
doloros,
traumatic.
How he's
to go to
see to
that's
how,
how he
managed
his mind,
how,
how he
his sanation
and,
and over
all,
how he
was so
the history,
how he
did so
the history
of what
lived you
not the
life,
not the
rest of
the
life,
because the
episode
terminate,
but if
you get
there,
you
you're
you
you
have to
learn
to
Shulamit
Graver
and this
Episodios where
we're
how was sequestered,
how negotiated
and how he
was going to
reconstructed after
that's sequester.
We're in our
studies,
here with the
community of
alma-March.com,
ours and
our students of
the courses in
line that
we've invited
to share this
moment of
the apprenticeship.
Listos,
then?
Then,
we're,
we're
we're goings.
Episode 372.
The podcast
of Mark
Antonio Regil is a production
of Argyle Entertainment
and all his
rights are reserved
and I'm sorry
for being here
for us to be here
to share this
story so forth
is, I don't want
to assume but it's
the more
the RETO more
great that's
been in all your
story?
Yes, are
of those
things that
not were in the
story that
not you're going to
pass and that
not you pass
until
you pass.
Sure.
This was
how many years?
Has 17 years.
17 years.
And before
of this,
you today
is psychotherapist
you have a
specialty in trauma
and resilience
you have a
speciality in
this speciality
before.
I was a
like a
like a
doctor
as a
other person
I was a
speciality
clinical of
the phenomena
of the
socialopaths
but no
this speciality
when you
see the
sequester
you not
you know
you
you know
was
it was
random
was a
was a
random
was a
was a
an equivocation,
of
actually.
They were
to be
to be a
day to be
that day
at that hour
in that
place.
In that
place.
You're
in the
place
to the
time.
And that's
message is
very
very very.
When
what I'm
what you
do you
do you
do you
do you're
in the
thing incorrect,
the day
incorrect and
the
day incorrect.
Sure.
Now,
obviously
you've
done
back to
talk about
that.
What year
were?
Recurras?
It was
in the
2007.
In
City of
Mexico?
In the city of Mexico?
In where you were?
I was.
I was a quarter of my house.
In Bowsk, a Sunday,
Corriending.
Me to trainer for a marathon,
a epoch obsessive of my life,
that yeah,
that I worked too.
And,
and one of the time
with a cold
tremendous,
all the conditions
incorrect as
to go to
but I'm obsessive
that I was
to be to
not a day.
And you're
you're going to?
And what happened?
At the two quadras,
to the two
quadras,
I said, when I hear the recheneo of yantas,
I said, in domino
these adolescents
crudos of the
fiesta,
right, let's
say that they
back in the
velocity.
And no,
he pared
a canoena,
they were
five types
armed and
me said,
this is a
sequestro.
One thing,
dearest
un-experated.
Me
subi were
to the
caruneta and
ranca.
They were
violent?
No.
No,
no,
no,
they said,
damn your
cellular,
see
the
eyes, me vendarer.
And I was
like very atent,
not,
to hear of what
they're
about, but
about all
aterrata in
the first
moment, no?
I mean,
I mean,
many,
many,
catastrophical.
Sure.
For
to start,
because to me,
this,
who are,
to be
going to
what you
have to
see the
movie?
And the
movie
more
catastrophic.
Yeah.
And they
in the
trajectory
that
they,
you take,
you sequester
and you
get to
where they
were in,
there's
there's
no,
I,
I,
I,
I,
I,
I was,
I was,
I was,
I was,
I was,
I was,
I was,
I was
that were
really quick,
and then I
went to
some of
some of the
pastes,
and I
was trying to
imagine to
to them
imagine,
but not
they were
to do you
do you
do you,
not they did
the word
in all
the
way,
but
you a
night
I had
seen a
movie
that was
the worst
that was the
worst of
that was
that was
that was
a woman
that was
they were
in a
bar and so
I'm
so I'm
see a
catastrophic
scenes of
that
picture
and imagine
me
the
first
because in the
first
no,
obviously
terrible
so terrible
so
then you
get a
you're
you're
vented
but
you're
a car
edifices
They did a elevator.
So,
they got a
little bit of the
band, he said
to the head of the
person,
that's the
thing, but
well,
he said a person
and he said,
he said,
tell us,
let'selos,
to the
general,
to the
so,
let's go,
we're going
to count the
those escalones,
and I
felt like it
was a
second
piece,
because
not were
not many
times,
and me
sent them
in a
cell.
And a
minute of
a minute of
a chair,
and made
the
question
more difficult
that
me has been done it's true in my
life.
What I'm going to?
Put a price
to your
life.
Ah,
and the first
that I said,
I don't know
where I
said, I'm
said, I'm
my life
no, I'm
not, I'm
put it,
don't,
put it,
and I'm
said,
I'm going to
give 15
minutes to
think.
Recurroroo
that in
those 15
minutes,
I know
I was
I'm,
but I
resisted to
put to
put him
to put
a price of my
life.
Number one,
because
I think
firmament that the
life no
the other.
And number two,
because what I'm
asking?
If you're
asking
how to
give to
rescue?
Exactly.
And I was
I'm
so I'm
so I'm
and I'm
and I
don't
say, and
he gave
15 minutes
after
and I
don't,
I'm
to give a
response.
Yeah.
In your
house,
you were
you're
casasasas
my
kids,
were my
kids were
40 years
of
with my
same
Sposo,
that was the
negotiator.
But,
yeah,
I'm going
not quite,
but they
were playing
squads.
It was very
immediate.
I was
I was
a lot of
a lot of
you know,
I'm
not they're
not even
they're
not
not much
a response
to the
price of
my life,
me said,
then we
to talk to
your
wife?
They're
they're
not?
No,
me
they're
and they
were
and I
called
with
super
tranquil,
because
I said,
I'm sequestrar.
I'm going to
and then
they're going to
talk to talk to
him.
And it was a
little like my
idea,
that they're
not with me
because I'm
going to be
to be able to
certainly
in saying a
number.
No, I
didn't know
to say,
and well,
in this
moment you know
that was
that had been
an error.
No,
not, I
didn't know
that was a
name.
You know,
they were
not,
nothing.
Nothing,
nothing.
And when
they were
to talk
with my
spouse
and they
you're coming
and I'm
I'm going to
hear gritos
I'm going to
think that
they've done
in mind that
they've been
and then they
asked me
I did
know that
I'm
and I
said the
he's
we're
we're
we're
we're
we're
going to
we're
we're
we're
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
stupid
I think the photography
was quite
I'm sure
I'm going to
so that I'm
when I did
know that I'm
doing a
re-bobinada in my
interior
and I said
this is my
opportunity
and then
I said
well if
they're
if you're
let me
let me
just me
I'm just let me
goro
no no
no
I'm not
no
no no
no no
there's
there's made
there's
the house
to the
car to the
cellular. This
is going to be
to be a
a sequester.
And here
you're going to
get to
get to
we're going to
get to
we're going
obviously
you know,
but what
more had?
What was
that was about?
What was?
Fidate
that's not
a
feeling like,
I'm going to
negotiate my
liberty.
So it was
like an
adrenaline
was a
brainalina
of my
psychologna
that I
said as
I'm
like I'm
said, I
said, I'm
said,
I'm
I'm
have to
be
I was just
I said the
question
there this
question that
me said
was the
clave
because in that
moment
in that
instant
when he
said you
you're going
you're going to
get to
I said
I'm going
to ask
a question
and if
you want
and if
you know
and me
he said
it's
probably
that
not you
let me
and
and I
think
what is
what is
what I
think
what I'm
I'm
if you
a tool,
a characteristic,
a one
one single
thing,
and I'm
a lot of my
work,
me can't be
because I'm
a genuina
curious of the
life of the
other.
When I'm
really a
really to know
why it's
to get to
do you?
You know,
you've got
to ask
and I'm,
and I'm
to do you
this
question.
How
you've got
to be
a
questioner?
Wow.
And you
know,
and you know
to me
never a
never had
I've made that
question.
So,
so I
go to
sit and
and I'm
going to
my life.
And there
is the
the care of
the chief?
The chief.
He sent to
to tell to
your story?
You with
those eyes
vend, I
go to the
eyes
vendados?
I can't
say,
I'm of
the
stories
most
terrible
that I
heard.
A
story
really
that I'm
I'm
I'm
not, I
want to
do you
but it
from
the
inframund
the person.
What
was
his
story?
He,
when
he, when
had
two
months
I was in
a car
on a
mountain and
there was a
lot of the
car,
the car,
more than to
have to be
with anojo
with courage
with
desprecrow
with a
life
very miserable
because
he went to
a
where nobody
was a
very much
and then
then says
he lived
a life
terrible
of much
maltrato
with a
with much
poverty
with much
discrimination
in relation
to the
rest of
the
family
of this
person
until
that I
decided
independisar
and this
do
I was in that moment
I thought I'm
to be careful
I can't
I can't
recommend,
just I can
listen to
no
and you're in
I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm trying to get a bit of a lot of this no? I'm not? I'm not? I'm sorry. I'm not so you're not. I'm not so you're not. I'm not. I'm not. A bit of the way. I'm not. I'm going to be to be able to do you know what you're
this is
better.
He said
he was a psychologist.
He said
he was
and he
he went.
He said,
he was
he was going to
go to
go and he was
a person
that was a
good and moments
of the
cure.
The care.
The chief.
The
chief.
And me
he said
who he was
going to
give to
my
care.
Okay.
And well
a
part of
I said,
what more
I'm
to do
have to
give my
degree
of
conscience
this
I'm
that I
was
a
solo.
I'm
to be evoked
to my
master,
to my
lessons.
And there
in this
first instant
one of the
first time,
my
dad, my
four
abelists,
are so
so many
so I
grew with those
stories.
So,
so I
said,
I have to
have to be
a
life of
soivient.
I have
to have
something
in my
genetic
and I
remember
a story of
my
abel
that some
day
I
said,
I'm
that
is made
the
Soverevency, because
from a
little, it was a
question
that was a
little bit of
my abuel,
I'll
you'll be
to respond
with a
anecdote.
When we
were in the
camp of
concentration,
we were
many people,
and they
came,
he got a
soldier,
Nazi,
and he
said,
who knows,
to work
in the
machine
of the
un'
nobody,
I left the
man,
and I
didn't,
and no
said.
And I
said, that's
my
that's
moment
to
get a
moment.
And me
he said
to
do that
and that
that's
that's
I'm not
my life
to be
I'm
trying to
I'm
to have to
do you
do you
do this
what I'm
and then
to come
to come
to get to
to
get the
to learn
to
make
to talk
to
talk to
to
talk
to
talk
to you
talk
and
try
to
try to
me
when
I
don't
not it
not
was
He
he said in a
first moment
after that
he said
that's
that's
that's a
that's
not you're going to
not you
don't know
and that
if someone
so you
say
to be
that's
he said
and he
was going to
I'm
got to
you're
put you
put you
in a
apartment
I'm
in a
room
I'm
in a
moment's
I'm
put down
to come
to come
I'm
that I want to eat
or what I'm.
And I said,
well,
I'm going to say
what I'm
like that I'm
like I'm
so I'm
so I'm
I'm,
I'm
opened the
mind to all the
mind
to all the
thing to
do you
and I'm
mansana
I remember
of the
day keeps the
doctor away
one mansal a day
keeps the doctor
alighed
water and
I'm sorry
I'm
I do you, de-for-sie, me
I'm a good, I'm
my foodation,
me do you know,
I'm doing a chicharrone
encebollated
in the
bad asses, I'm
scared me,
I'd have a fear
me, I mean
I thought,
I think, I'm
to be good,
because it's my
life,
clear that my
spouse would be
to do something,
clear that
I was going to
be doing
something out of
but I
sentia I
that was I'm
that I'm
so, you
mantuiste
super rational.
Super rational.
me had
made sure that
many times.
No,
temblabas
of fear,
not.
Fidt
no.
Figate
that no,
and me
had made
that question
many of
many times.
And what
what I
conclude you
is that
you know
is that
you know,
you know,
until you
have to
you have
to be
back,
and I
think that
that's
that's
that I
had been
to be
that I
was crucial
for me
two,
I'm
to get to
all the
moments
that I
wanted
to be
that were
to
to live,
that was
very important.
And three,
I had
very clear that
if I
would have
to look at
something.
You put you
a objective
and you
said, I'm
going to
focus me in
this.
A little,
no, I
don't you
have two
moments
terrible.
Terribles.
One,
to be a
two days
to be
there,
he went
to be
he going to
get a
one of
he was
he was
he
had a
moment
terrible.
He was
had a
good
and then
was
with a
a lotura
was another
person
it was
you're
I'm
and I'm
I'm just
I'm just
I'm
like the
little
very very
very disagradable
and I'm
going to
we're going to
you're doing
your
because he
has been
much
time because
we need
we need
we need
because
we have
to get
to get to
to be
to get to
you get
and then
we're going to
not we
we're going
to come
a redo
and I
see you
you know
you know
if you
if you're going to
a cut
a
one of the
one of the
you're going to
that's
that you
let me
let me
let me
let me
let me
know what I'm
I'm
the book of
the
man in
the
whole day
I thought
to the
man
he can
get to
all
all the
all the
thing
and what
and what
you
and he
I'm
you're
you're
going to
give
that
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
another
question
another
question you
never
you
you
you're going to
you're going to
I'm going to
because I don't want
to come in the
right or the
right too
he's not the
little the end of the
hand the left
but I'm saying
something and I'm
I'm saying I know
my spouse
I know that
I know that's
I'm just to
commit to
the worst error
if you're going
to be to
change of me
if something
if something
you're going to
you're going
you're going to
do you
I'm going to
I'm going to
I'm going to
I'm
convinced you
So,
I said,
that would have
consequences
terrible if you
did that's
that there's
but I'm going to
but I'm
a point.
Well,
so you're
in the
raillita
of a menace
to be
where you
know,
where you
don't you
see?
I don't
know,
I know,
I don't
know,
but I
did a
force
of this
thing of
this thing,
between,
it's my
life,
between,
I'm,
I'm,
I'm,
I'm going to
go to
go to
go to
I mean, there was a
moment that I kebred,
that was at the final,
that was like very
very difficult,
was like a couple
of days
after this,
he had been,
I put a pistol,
a corto carto,
and me said,
de veras,
you're going to
to do you,
I need to do
something,
no,
no, I'm,
no, I'm,
so if your
spouse,
no,
he says,
that you want,
and not you
want,
that those stories
yeah
those have
heard,
because
those have
heard
I've heard
but
I'm going to
and really that's
what I
think a
a pistol that
a carto
I'm really
I'm
and I'm
made two
questions rapidisis
so in
a second
if it's the
last time
that I
have failed
for living.
And if
I'm going
to promise
I'm a
need to
make a
need to
but not
of indol
religious
because
not is the
my
my
and then
then I
promised I
that if
was going to
give
the rest
of my
day
of my
life,
help to
the people
that
a trauma.
When
I had the
time of
trauma,
when I
had people
when I
had a person
because I
think,
I'm not
I'm
like I'm
in what I
want to
work and
in what
I'm
I'm
and you
need to
a promise
great,
I said,
I sentia
that that
that promise
me to
get a
to be a
so
then I
would be
to be
to be
a figure
important,
someone
really
great
that I was
that I'd
give to the
day to
help the
people
to help
the trauma
and I'm
going to
go and I'm
my
promise.
It's
really that
there was a
moment in
where they
were the
that they
was the
I'm
that I
was
just
just
a couple
of
days
after
that
after
that
were
that
I'm
really
I'm
a very
bad
not
not
not
I'm
you
I'm
you
got
be doing
to do you.
So,
I'm going to
another
band.
But vendert
to
another band
is that
you're
to be
in the
life.
With rats
without
no
a cell,
in a
cell,
with
many
more
people.
Because,
I don't
do you
do you
know,
and I
know,
and I
think that
that's
that's
he was a
I'm
then I
didn't
go to
my
husband.
So I
said,
give me
another
opportunity.
Let me
to tell
to my
husband.
Let me
to me
to be
to my
I was
I was
me
and there's
and then
and then
and I said
I was going
to do you
going to
do you
you're going to
you're going to
because this will
pass
there
all you
all that you
had contained
what you had
that you
really said
that day
that
really
really
I was
that day but
the
the
No, me
cremoh.
I mean,
I was trying to
me were
being
and obliging to say that.
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the moment
between
that they were
to sender
to other
a other
band,
you're
you're in
you're
you're
you're
what you're
because apart
you're
talking about
and they're
not a
not a conversation
in private
with him
obviously
obviously
telephone
intervened
etc
how
how it
how it
so
well
after that
so
what happened
what
was I
know
what
obvious is that,
the
phone
on the telephone
with the
care of the
when you
when you're,
when you're
going to do
you're going to
do you know,
I'm going to
say, we
just, we
know,
just we're
doing the
and I
really.
I was really
I was sure
I was sure
that he was
assorated,
I don't know
of who
I was doing
the possible
and never
I think in
those
stories,
no me
he's,
it's what
you're what
they're
what you
are what you
are sure
that's
He's sure that
not that's
And he,
and he,
and he,
he has
to show
to be
to show
to be able to
because normally,
they're
people,
they're
because
you know,
and then
the other
other
strategy that,
uh,
that's
the
owners of the
money,
and the
securator is
a new
of the
time,
and it's a
negotiation
very
very delicate
that the
experts
know how
they're
and the
two have
a other
have,
and the
two have
something.
So it's a negotiation bill, no?
But the custodor that never
never ever, I always had, all the time
I'd ask him, I'd, because the chief
I'd, come and we'd, we'd, we'd,
we'd, we'd, we'd, say, we'd
, so, if, we'd have, we'd
, a time, brilliant.
And I'm retort, when they're
, when they're gonna, how you're
so, I think I'm entretedue to
do what I'd say, to do,
to talk, to, talk, to the
people, hear histories,
You
You passed this
of the
syndrome
of Stockholm
where you
get to
get a
with your
victim
with your
victimario?
I'm
sure.
I know
I'm
do you
know
perfect
it's a
form of
a
more
just
just
to pass
the
line
and just
what
does
all
those
stories
that
they
they
they're
that
you
know
you
pass
to
a
a
second
plan
when
when I
know
when I
don't
the syndrome
of
Stockholm
of
original
is
this
of
Relationarte is
a way to
to survive
and
and
and to
and get to
get a
way to
get a
so is
some of
a way
to get
to be
getting
to get
because
more
that protection
connection
connection
a
a
a
connection
like
a
of a
control
of
something
of
that
that
curiously
I
when
I'm
when
I'm
that
from
that
from
my
husband, no
not her
will be maltreatar
because
she's
enameled
but he
really,
he's going
about,
he's going to
not he's
not going to
talk.
So you
did you
did you
did a
question,
in the
middle of
this.
He asked
he said,
he was
he was
he was
you're
like a
person
human.
And is
that really
he felt
to say
at the
first
after
after the
question,
I'm
this
people
are
not
They've got them
special.
They're
more me
value to be
them to be
those.
That's what
me convict.
And as this
is not justificate
in any
manner, but
are a product
also
of the injustice
social,
of the
disquality,
are part
of what
produces a system
of injustice.
Right.
So,
nobody
elige to
do this
because
they have
many
other options.
And we
don't we
don't
no, it's
terrible
justificing
what
they're
but
or to understand that there's a form
to communicate with
them.
And that's
and that's
and that's
and that's
there's
probably not
would have been
who were in.
Yes, definitive.
And that's
very difficult
when you're
the victim.
Yes.
But if
I'm staying
there.
Sure.
Okay.
So,
well,
you know,
you know,
you know,
you're going to
go back.
And the
cuidator
was very
primitive.
No,
with all this
rickness
that I had
to
the head
the chief,
the
the cuidator
was,
uh,
not
only,
I said,
I don't contested
things.
But then
so on the
telephone,
that never
had passed
and I said
he said,
he's,
he said,
I'm saying,
and me
said,
I'm going to
say the
question,
that you
can't
you know,
where you
did you
did you
know,
the first time
the day
that you
know,
he had
been 25
years,
that's
that day.
Uh-huh.
No,
no, no
you know,
no,
you know,
I'm able
then then I said
The Chato
is a bar in the
condessa
and that is
what is what
the question
of the
what are
what are the
familyaries
to be sure
if you're
the restate
it's worth
because
you're
a question
that nobody
could be
sure you
your
your spouse
and who
was
assuiting
mandan
to say that
a person
to be
at the
the
head
so
so
so
so
so I remember
that
I remember
We've been to come out,
to come out of that place, we've gone to that
our children,
that's where we've gone,
where we've got to be the first time.
So, for that's why I'm going to be
to be able to be able to be.
Although I tell you to say,
something, is recommendable
to have that question.
I mean, we're not going to
that anyone else that's
that most of them have said,
those who are the topic
in this topic, is
that question,
that's the question of the
life,
there, have to have
to have.
It's a, pre.
It's a question
that nobody
could be
more than
the two
people,
the sequestrade
and the
negotiator.
And then
when I
did the chato
no
me co-go
I said
and at
the hour
he got
I
there
I was
there
disperance
because
no
I said
what you
don't you
want you
you
don't you
your
zapats
you
don't
I'm
I
put
my
my
tennis
vendada
You been
You've been
You're going to
I'm in there
Some of my time.
I'm here.
I'm, dormitia because
Doorming is difficult.
No, I'm, I'm trying.
I didn't know of the time.
I said, yeah, it's night.
I said, yeah, I'm going to go to
his
Cuald,
I said,
let me a
momentitio.
It's the
most indigno
that's
I'm not quite
I'm
accompanied to
my husband never
me have accompanied.
And me said,
well, you're
very liste
and you're
doing a
but here the
manned to
you.
And you
know,
Mark,
I'm
there's a
kind of
I'm a
little bit
there.
I mean,
I mean,
I'm,
I'm to do
do a
and I'm
to do
the
to be a-mawned. A bañar me, no me accompanied, but there were like a cortina, and I
said, is that's being, it's part of power to be able to be. Stubbisdh. Stubbisdhs. I mean, you know,
more than a night, that's been able to clear the eyes, and confiard on me. And they were
I was opened,
and
they were,
like a
cost to
tapada with
the sabanas.
He had the
hair
very long,
chino,
like me
I was
in the
car and
I was
because
I'm this
sensation
of,
I'm
going to
need
to know
who
I'm
a little
the
eyes,
I,
I,
I,
I,
the
room, and
I was
to do you.
No
me
were in
mascarated
in
that moment
that
me
got
had
a
very
vaguely, but
I was four.
And it was the
only moment that
I was seen.
But if I
did, with a
cartina that
was never the
question of the
people, how
you're trying,
you know,
what was the
difference?
What was the
difference?
With a
a carty to
be able to
do the same?
No,
I'd be able to
do it.
But for me
banning me was
important.
When those
but when you
when you see
the movies
the
those malos
and they're
like they're
like they're
like
look at
you're not
a very
good question
not so
so
if it's
a person
a little
a little
but not
like the
not those
the men
know
they're
or that
they're
they're
they're
they're
not they're
they're
not
a person
promed
a promedio.
Like when
when I said
what I need
I'm going,
I said,
I need to
eat I'm
and then I'm
going to
what I'm
what other
needs I'm
I'm going,
I'm going
I'm sorry,
I'm sorry,
I'm
so I'm
asking, so I
want to be
to be
a moment
of a
really a
really to
get a
really,
but I'm
you're still
because you
think you
you're
feeling
and you
what you
think you
what you
think
you've been
Distint.
No, no,
I know.
The fact,
but I think
more than we
have to be able
to feel us
merceding
of our
best of the
worst moments.
I'm a
question because in the
world animal
and we're
animals,
right?
A depredator
is crease
when he
a victim
herida
and the
beded
and he
provoked a
more
more than
to damage
to
do it.
It can
be
and when
no there
no
no attitude
of
victim is like,
hmm,
you respect.
Yes,
I don't have
an attitude
of victim
and I'm
what I'm
that's the
real real that
they're doing,
that's
even I'm
really,
I'm afraid
to use the
humor
because the
humor
also
I'm
this for
now,
but I
don't go
to get
fey and
sequestered
if
this is
going to
say,
I'll say,
I'll say,
I'm
to say,
I'm
and so it's
so he
said,
so it's
so,
so,
so,
I said, I mean, I'm going to
Yeah, I imagine to and
I'm going to, I'm going to, no, poohito, no,
no, pooh, no, pooh, no, pooh, no, I'm, so.
No, well, yeah, I, so, I'm, so, I'm,
no, I'm going to eat more than that I'm,
manseh, and water,
liquid. But, but, but, but,
so, but, but, but, I, my respect, is,
well, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, well, yeah, it's,
well, yeah, it gets, in the moment in the
the house and we say,
yeah, we're going.
And it came
a moment
like very
in the
we're in the
car, and we
say, I'm
a question
to make a
and a confession.
Before to
you're in the
place that
you're going to
get in
God?
I'm a
question.
What?
You're
a fend
in that
moment?
Because when
when I said
that I'm
when I'm
said, I'm
not the way
that's true that
I'm not, you
I'm
to me
myself,
a
my
husband,
a
my
resources,
and I'm
never
never
I'm
never said,
never
I'm
didn't
that I'm
that's
I'm
I'm
felt like
defraudated
but
but for
if
the
I'm
I'm
I'm
I know
I
know,
I'm
in what
I
think
in what
I'm
I'm
I'm
to be
I'm
to
know
with
me
and
me
I'm
I
don't
I don't believe in God,
and the
casuality.
I think you
and you
we're going to
we're going to
have known
for something.
In what
to you respect,
I'm sure
that you're
a great
therapist because
me helped
but what
you're going to
do more
after this?
That's what?
That's he
said.
And I
want to
you know,
you're
that you're
never you
never you
never to
forget.
Ten 500
pesos,
busk a taxi
and get
to
your
house
because you
much
to do
do the
world.
And I
I'm
all the
I'm sorry.
And when
the
I'm
going to
move to
move.
Because
me impact
much
because you
know,
because you
think it
is certain.
I mean,
I can
say,
I'm
I'm
I'm
because
much
people
me have
asked,
and no
I'm
want to
say,
I'm
I'm
don't know
to do
but
I'm
so I
don't know.
No,
I see
if I
I don't know where I'm going to say
if I'm doing what I do I do.
The truth,
if my life is
before,
if that's
my work on
a compromise with the
life,
with my
to doceer
professional,
with my
growing,
I always
me as a
whole my
life, but
me marked
in other
form, and
I know that
I also
that I'm
that I
was a moment
more romantic,
I said,
ah,
because I
said,
if I'm
my
Toma
not.
You're going to
talk to
this institute.
You're going
to regenerate.
For favor
to stop
to be able to
get to
do you know,
demerer
you can't
get to get
you know,
not you know
how it's
how I'm
in the
coach.
At that
there were
still
not the
not was the
not the
time of
a lot of
there
no cellar
there
no cellars
there
I saw you.
You know,
you know,
you know,
you know,
you know,
I'm sure,
you know,
the telephone
of my masteria,
my doctorate,
of the clinic,
and I said,
and I know,
I'm going to
go to
the car,
without you
knowtes
these telephones.
And you
do this
sequestro,
your
ultimate
sequester,
does a
compromise
to do you
said, he
kept a
called,
we got to
no,
me,
I don't know
me,
I'd
$0,000,
I'm
know,
you know,
I'm
said,
so if
Ropa no
I used the
same
Roppa.
I was the
same rop.
I was in the
time.
How's the
do you?
It was
a year.
It was
a time.
It was going to
get a
time.
Sientate in
this bank,
me sent to
a bank.
Me said,
I said to
get to
a
50 and you
do you
get to
a taxi and
you go to
your
house.
And I
go to
talk to
your house
in one
hour
because I
need to
start
this
chapter
knowing
that you
know that
you
I'd go in a bank
and I was
to do you
a two minutes
to get me
there's a
I'm a
let's get to get me
to get me to
50, yeah
I'm in a
park but
you know,
but you know,
I did all
I'm doing
to do well
I'm going to
get a space
to 50
what you
did you
I think you
I was up
I was still
I'm going to
get the
heart over the
I said no
more than
just that I'm
just about
you know
know you know,
how,
you know,
I quit
the van,
me quit the
venda,
I'd,
the people
and the
people,
I'd
see, and I
didn't,
see,
in where
you're,
you're doing
you're doing
where you
were,
in the park
in Aukali,
for the
more than
there,
so I,
because,
what you're,
it was a
thing,
it was a
little,
then,
but I'm,
I was,
but I'm
there,
but I was,
and I,
there's,
because they're
to be,
to
get to
be able to
a
bank,
I'm going to
this
sense of the
movie
of the
future that
you're
back to the
time and
nobody
to look
to be.
So,
me
pared,
and I
got $500
pesos,
a cell
a cellar
because
before,
before I
said,
I'm going
to give
my
pertenances
or no.
My
iPod
where I
hear my
music,
and me
said,
oh,
clear,
we're
we're
sequestrators,
not
ladrons.
No,
I forget that
phrase.
Me gave
my
pertenances
that no
me serve
to be
that's
a little
a car,
I'm a
car,
no I'm
a telephone
of 20s.
I'm
a place.
A senior
of Juggos
that I said
a woman,
I said that
you know,
I don't see
me going to
or not,
but
me have been
to sequestrar,
me
they're just
the first
in to hear
my story,
and what
I need to
is that
I pressio
a telephone.
and as there
people
and good
in all the
life is generous
me preto
his telephone
me is a
cubo
and he's
up
the world
and he
and I'm
and I'm
and I'm
and I'm
a carisia
and I'm
the call
the gritty
of jubbill
and all
and I
said my
my
man you
don't you
don't
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
he's
no no
no no
and where
I'm
I'm not
I'm not
not I'm
not I'm
not I'm
no no no I'm
go
to you go
to
I'm going to
a taxi
and I'm
sure.
I'm sure
of you
taking
action
than I'm
not.
There's
a discussion
of no,
you know,
you know,
no,
no,
no.
And,
and I
asked the
to the
woman,
I'm
a place
a
little,
I'm
a city.
And a
susso.
No,
of the
actually,
only did
a jugito
very little
and he
said,
me there
there's
a city
there's
a taxi,
I'm
a taxi and I said,
I said, you know,
I'm not going to
see a,
no, but in this
that you
me'll be sure.
Well,
no,
you know,
he's sub-
a-s-
and I'm
put it,
and I,
I was, I'm
I'm
could say
the direction.
And the
poor man
said,
signora,
what happened,
it's a
back,
to,
where I'm
to be able
to be
literally,
not I
didn't,
there's
there's
there's
all the,
there's,
all what I
had
had to,
all the
that I
had
I was that I was
I was.
I was.
I was.
I was.
I was.
And he
was he
said,
he said,
he said,
I'm
so I'm
so I'm
so I'm
so I'm
did my
direction and
he said,
you know,
you know,
you're
going to
be a
fortunate and
that
and I
know,
and so
we're
we're
long as
we're
in my
house.
Or 40
minutes
really,
more in
a time
year
and when
you're
and when
we're
I said,
I'm
I'm
the billet of 500
pesos
that he gave
the jeff
me said
he said
no
so he said
nothing.
I'm
moved much
because
the
of the
thing I'm
like the
life
you compensate
no
that the
life is
generous
me
said the
I've
heard
I've
heard
I've
heard
so
I've
done
with the
chamb
the
carer
of the
five
pesos
like
coming
and
I'm
coming
and
I'm
a
long
to be
my
the first
abrazo of my
kids,
that was
an
big a
never will
never get
never.
And then
a get
a little
brusca
to my
house
because
unfortunately
it was
like the
films,
the cameras,
Laf
millions
of people
so it
was like
I thought
to get
and
us
and sit
us
and
think
that
was like
it was
like
I'm
like me
met
on a
court
describe
them
as
as
the
So, really,
even in the night,
much more
more time,
that all the
was when I
felt when I
came to get a
house.
So,
like the
yeah,
I'm the
one is the
person that
was a
person who's
like a
gruska,
but I'm
that you
have to do
what you
have to do
do,
and that
the instances
that are
there all the
time,
but,
but,
but,
well,
I was,
I was,
I was,
I was,
I'm,
me
I felt
I'm
a great-
with my
husband,
with the
team,
with my
people,
with my
back,
it was a
moment that
was a
last.
I'm
imagine that
the life
this
reordena,
that the
priorities,
what is
important,
really you
see the
that's
that's
that's important,
it's that
I'm going
and I'm
mind
and I'm
thinking
that
what you
think,
this
this is,
this is
what you
do you
want
a
part
a
part
I'm a
very
a
very
I was very
very fast
the calm
if it
was a
time.
And I
promised I
putchable a
lot of
my want to
get to
me going to
let me
put my
pass
after that
and more
when I
went to
me said
I'm the AFI,
and we said,
and we're in a
thing you in
a moment
in that your presence
he caused
much conflict to him.
The ternerted
to you,
he now
could.
Because he's
connected with you.
Because we
we're connected
so.
So, I think
you,
you know,
I think that
that that
connection and
this,
yeah not
was a transaction,
there was a
one to
human to
and the
things can't.
And the
things
can be,
and the
and the
time,
and I'm
to ask.
To ask you
have,
he said,
I'm,
he
had the
same
telephone
with my
husband and he
he said,
look,
mentam me the
mother,
tell me what
you're just,
but just
tell me that
I'm going to
your
wife.
Wow.
And I'm
going to,
he's
he's going
to be a
hour and me
don't you
know,
we're
these stories,
I'm
but my
story I
know I'm
and he
was a
let's be
a pause
Shulamit
and let's
let's
that's
obviously
that you
don't you
can't
that
you can't
that
experience that
that
But,
however, the
experience
you
transformed.
And for
what I'm
he could have
transformed.
He,
never
know we'll
know.
Or maybe
if it
some day,
you know,
but it
was a story
of transformation,
and that's
what you,
so, you
like, you
know,
and that's
the transformation
that is the
transformation,
not what
occurred,
but the
product,
not the
transformation,
for you
you know,
you're
how you
how you
how you
managed
all the,
when
yeah
the
trauma
is
present the
insecurity,
I imagine
to go to
get to
get to
get to
you know,
you're going to
come to
you're in
your life's
and the
lesson that
we mentioned
at the
first.
When
someone
something
when someone
something,
he gets
of that
that story
and a
sometimes
it, if
he not receive
the
treatment
adequate,
it
can be the
story
that the
defina
for the
rest of
the rest of
the
life.
And you
can't
get to
a
a disease,
you can
be a
relation toxic,
horrible,
abusive, but
mentally,
you're in
the same
haula.
How you
see it?
A posita
and we're
with the podcast.
Cuitartartes
a lot of
your
your life.
Alcans to
your maximum
potential.
Lugnes
a yearn's
10 of the
morning,
time of
the center of
Mexico in
the channel
of YouTube
of Group
Formula.
Shulamit Graver
still
with us
in the podcast.
I think
right
here the lessons
that you're going to
share the
public that's in
live with us
only to hear the
story and hear
the form in
that narrs the
story and your
reflections over
the history
well,
we've learned
much or no?
Yeah,
but now
there are the
lessons.
How do you
reconstructurges?
I imagine
that yeah,
okay,
it's a day
and you
you had
to be able
to go out
to your
house,
you're
you're,
you're,
you're,
you're
you're,
you're
how you're
Salishted? Well, the first
is that I regressa to the
question that I said when
me going to be made, if it was the
last moment of your life, that you
felt it for living.
And is that
I discovered that I had the
life that I was very
affortuna, because I had
constructed the life that
I was. And that
not was ready to
die, but if you
had been said that
had been, had,
had the
life that had.
And that, for me
was a response
that me made
I want
that
Pockes
in your
life
they're
they're
to give
you'll
do you're
but you
do you
I'm not
I'm going to
that's a
life
and I
want to
see that
and for me the
liberty
what I
discovered
there
I'm
I'm
the don
more
precious
and I
remember
I'm
that
I've
had
read
to don't
Kjote
what
he said
Sancho
Pans
that
that the
love
that the
God
that the
God's
it's worth adventurer
the life.
So,
I decided that
be a woman
and that I'm
to do
do something to
do.
So,
the first is
no me
I came to
my life.
No,
I'm not
in my
life,
because I
decided,
that I'm
going to do.
So,
I'm going to
go to
go to
go to
and not
I'm
because that
so,
so,
so I,
so,
I was,
so I'm,
I was
me
d'n't
but
if I
went to
a
time to
go to
but
this
this
sensation
of
this
thing of
the
and start
to come
so
so
there
so
there's
so
one
and
one
so
so
the
first
what I
did
is
what
is
what is
the
immediate
so
the
family
what
lived
my
my
people
and
to
talk
to
the
story
it
was
it was
a
one
was a
Mexico in
that
moment
and
much people
were in the
news.
It was notices.
It was a
public.
Yeah, it was
a lot of
people,
so much people
to get to
talk about
I was,
so the
first what I
said was
like to
respect me.
The second
that me
was the
promise that
he was to
give me
a expert in
trauma,
but I
said,
first I
have to
do the
first that
I did,
I'm
not
I applied the
what of this
Ditcho that
says that in
the Rerrero
Asadone of
Palo, no,
I'm a
first thing I
did is
to look
a very good
specialist in
trauma.
I went to
therapy,
of family,
of a
pairha,
that we
don't know
we're doing
we're
so I
took a
time to
recover me
that was
the first
that I
did and
then I
did one
of the
specialities
more
that
in trauma
at the
long
of five
years
for the
country
because
for me
it was
very important
to
to be
my
promise.
And it
was a
speciality
that
not
me
to be
in line
and
I
had
two
months
to
a
year
a
special
very
good
and
a
so
the
first
is
I
ask
me
in
my
life
and
I
think
that
I have to reconstructure me
and to reconstructure me
after therapy,
and then I started
what were the sections
most important
that I had learned.
And I decided
that that's not
to gootar
who I'm more than that.
More than that
experience.
I mean,
I was,
I was a bit,
I was a woman
casted with a
good matrimon,
with three
kids,
with a career.
So,
I learned what
What does it say,
victim?
That nothing
and nobody
would go to
my reality,
that I would
do to do
that I'm going to
do that I'm
doing.
Second,
I wanted
to recover my
path interior.
And that's
my liberty.
I wanted
to go to
my co-as
and go to
all the
when I came
of the sequester,
me
that they were
to put a
,
but never
I've
done.
Oh,
I do those
things.
I'm
move alone.
I go in
my coach
at all
all over,
I do
my
like
that
they're
going to
be there.
And I
want to
do that
I'm going to
do that.
So,
I'm going
to start
to do you
to start
a little to
do you.
But I
wanted.
But I
wanted to go to
my time.
I'm
married.
I was
a
life.
It was a
little bit.
It was
a new thing.
And now I
would be a
event.
I used
all what
could do
do you
to meditate,
I'm
made
that
it was
a
little
spiritual,
I'm
that I'm
to get to
get to be
the equipment,
I'm going to
get to
me got to
me have done
that they're
that they're
like,
like,
like,
like,
respirations,
in some
moment in
the sequestro
me
was very
impactant
that I'm
really,
I'm not,
I'm not,
I'm going to
get to
a car,
a car,
a car,
a rabe,
a rattle,
I'm not,
I'm,
you know,
you know,
you're,
you know,
you're,
you're,
you're,
But, well, if you know
to do yoga, meditate,
respirate,
to be a meter
quadrant.
And I had renegated
of those things.
It was accelerated.
I mean,
I used to goren,
move, me,
all that
was all of the
people of flogher.
And me
did a point
that the
spirituality
was important.
And not
religious.
You have
your relation
or your
faith with
God or
something?
That is
a thing
that I
said a
thing that
was a
My husband was
Because I had
Perkedi
And all the
Because I had
Pered the faith
And then
And then
And I was
And I was
And I
No, I
No, I
No, I
Because I
You know
That's a
It's a
Relevant
In my
It's a
One thing
A force
universal
But so
So, so
You know
I'm a
FFF
No
So,
So,
So,
So,
So,
So,
A rabino
Mububes
a rabino
very famous of those
that we're going to
to be the
equivalent to
Papa.
See?
That's,
yes, yes,
that comes
and that's
many people in
cases very popular
in cases
very speciales
and me
got a
and my
other day
of the
second I
wanted to
give to
give to
God,
I'm
much much
a pain
but not
you know
you know
to be to
give to
give to
me in my
case.
For favor
been,
for favor
been and
no
went.
And then
He was just
three months
after this
rabino
and he
he said
in front of
me and
he said,
without
nothing
me.
He said,
I'm going
to be
enogated
and I'm
going to
do you know
to be
not divinar me
and he
said,
you're
a thing
and you
knowj
just,
you know,
just to give
an
explanation
important.
God
he put in
a place
in the
that I
was to
put to
you know
to be a
a place with
a
place.
I'm
impacted much
that
God.
God was in
a place
in the
place that
you were
to be in
a place
in the
that's
that you
know you
was a
way to be
to go to
and I'm
to get to
to be
to do you
have to
a little
to my
husband
because
they were
to be
to be
in the
time
to be
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
Like it was
like traditionalist,
creient
in something,
but not so
it's,
it's not
not quite
not the
thing of
my
life,
no.
But I
recupered
the
faith in
a
power.
Okay.
But
I decided
what
I
discovered
that I
had in
my
life
and I
did
I'm
to find
a
experience.
Sure.
Like
the
book of
Fromm.
And then
the
man
in
the
question.
A
why no.
Why
me
passed?
First
me
at
I was tormented and then
I said,
the why not
I'm going to
get to
get in the
place.
I was
I'm trying
reading,
and studying,
studying,
taking
therapy,
all the
time.
A for
what?
A sense.
And I
did,
Victor Frankl,
pardon,
no know,
because I
said,
Dr.
Frankle,
the
man,
in the
book,
did you know,
I'm going
to do the
same.
I'm going to
do that
to know what
to know.
For what
he could
to be
to be
to be
and I'm
to get
to connect
more
with me,
that was
a little
connected,
it was more
accelerated.
And to connect
me more
and just
to be more
spiritual and
to do more
to do that
this experience
to be able
to do.
I don't
I'm going to
I'm not
my day.
The people
that I
know before
and then
after and then
I feel
a game
very great
I
I did
that it
was not
much a
past in my
life
was more
more
more
a character
accelerate. Decid I decided that
the Pace Interior not is negotiable
and that I want to be
someone more tranquil,
to do less,
more than what I
like, more spiritual,
me more spiritual, me more than I
learned techniques of
relaxation, of meditation,
that have changed my
life rotundamity, that now
I'm practicing in a consult and I
say the people that the spirituality
is so-so-see of the Kanaxtabastika.
Yes.
I found
to find a
important.
Because if not
you're going to
you're going to
the rest of
the day.
And I
learned that
not going to
allow to
that the
experience
me define
but I
would decide
what I'm
to do you
go to
how I was
going to
how me to
help?
Yeah,
because there's
the risk
so the
so the
so the
so the
so I'm
a story
real because
is a
story real
and it
can create
their
identity
around
of that.
I'm the
survival of the
cause.
I'm the
sequestrated.
I'm the
desktrated.
I'm the
woman
going to
play a
person.
I'm the
person who's
they're wrong.
And it's
really, because
he's
really.
But it's
not we
not we're
that's experience
to find the
rest of your
life?
What is the
risk of
not to
get to
that?
That's
you're
in a
place to
a person
and number
one,
no
traciendes.
A
to be,
for that
what you
and that
it's a
don't
a lot,
I can't
get to
in the
place to be
because
if no,
the experience
consumed
who is.
It's a
risk too.
So,
so I
decided that
that's been
my story,
neither of my
children,
neither of my
family.
But it's
a,
you can't
be a
tentator
to get
to get
to
your
family.
It's a
good.
Exactly.
A
ganace
secondary.
But I
I'm a hater
of the victims.
Yes,
but let me
about the
gancia
secondary.
It's that
the ganacia
is
poor citar.
She was the
she was the
person who
did you.
I'm in
compassion.
I'm sorry.
I do a
what you
do you.
What you
do you?
What's
you?
Yeah.
This is
poor.
She's
connected.
So,
and they
start to
they're in
they're
to come
and they
start
and they
know,
but
you're
receives
things
a
change.
Yes,
but
the
Yeah, but when you're
But when you're
But when you're
But when you're
It's human
and it's normal
to get you
For a time
It's the thing is
It's that
It's not that
The thing is
It's a lot of
And it's aft of
This story
not me will
define but
What I'm
What I'm
What I'm from
This story?
A new history
A new story
How this
is a
How this is
How this is
It's a
Because you can
You can't
There is your
It's your
decision
Or you can say,
I'm going to
build a new
story.
And for that
you have to
have to be able to
talk to
to process
how I'm,
how I'm
how I'm
how I'm
come to make
a little
to come to
you,
for that when
you want to
I'm going to
I can't
come over it
because the
life not
can be with
a borrador
but no
I'm
never in that
story.
Sure.
And then
that's
for me is the
ceresa of
pastel is transform
if this
this is so you know
I'm going to
and no I'm
dole you
and it's
cause a
loss,
desgast in the
family and in
me
now how
I'm
convert in a
better version
of me
what I'm
what I'm
that's a
question
that's the
question
it's the
you can
do you can
do you
do you
do
to do
whatever
practice
that you
want to
you
have to
move that
story
You have to do something
immediately
after a little.
A bit a
little to go to the other day.
But as much
you get in that
history and more
accept to be the
poor,
more difficult
will be to
pararte
of that
because it's
a little
very comod.
That's a
that's much,
does much
privileges,
but it's a
much life.
And it's
a lexion.
If a me
me would be
that today
if I'm doing what
I do
before
to sequestrar me
no it
would have seen
a therapist
because I was
but it
changed my
practice professional
my form
to direct me
to give me
to my
patients
the form
in how
resignific
the
pain that's
important
and the
word and the
word
the word
the word
the
word is
how resignifices
the experience
resignifices the
reason
is the
Cerebro is an organ
very complex
as a
problem we
know we
know we're
for the
emotional is
very concrete
so
the order
more
more than
more
more than
it's more
it's more
things
you know
when you
when you
want to
do you
do a
order to
a order
this is what I'm
this is what
I'm
what I'm
this
so you
do you
do you
this thing
the
the rogos
confunded
to
Cerebro?
Yes.
Well,
there
can't
say something
for that
I'm clear.
What I
do?
I'm a
disfurtunate.
That's not
a person
bad as
a person
bad as a
good, that
you're a
good
that's a
poor of me.
What I
want to
say of that
experience?
Because that's
the form
in how the
Cerebro
it will
processer.
It's
let's
seeer what
you're
what you
do you.
So,
what I
I chose
to
say me
this
a leotory
me
and no
me will be
going to
never to
so the
people
and you know
you know
you know
because
because no
I'm going to
go back
to pass
oh no
if it
again
then I'm
so I
don't
I'm going to
think
that's a
election
it's like
the
spheritas
intensely
yeah
exactly
exactly
to
to the
the
brain
to
the
to
think
to the
and
what
why. And the
most important is
that you robes that experience
that you want to recover, of who you
and I'm going to. And I
said, I want, I want to, I want to go back to
do in the same place, and I want
to,
to go back,
to go back, and then
today I do.
There's, there's a way
of
what residue
you gave
the experience
that he
quit and
he wrote.
That's
the master
with the
master of the
I studied.
He said,
if there
something that
you'd
have a pleasure and
you've
done to do
do that,
it's because
that experience
to rob
something,
and that's
my
care of a
trauma.
What,
of who are you
want to
to do?
That's
you know
to do the
experience.
And then
then I decided
to go
to go
to
go to
go to
go
the
And I'm just
thing that
I'm a
work a
one of the
anniversary, that
is the
people that
the people that
me
know, it's
like a
day that I
think it's
a month
before,
it's a
two
two
that I
think I
my life
my
life, my
life
my
life,
I'm
like I'm
two
people,
a
one
before I
think I
think I
think
a time
to be
something that
I
had
that never
to be
a
time?
and the
time that I'm
a second
I'm quite
a lot of
and I've
investigated much
in the
thing and the
and what you
know the
years are you
make cultural
like the
year that
you're divorcied
the day that
you've got
the accident
it's very
difficult
because they're
so I'm
so I'm
so I'm
to talk to
what they're
what they're
doing that
because
we have
some
people who
we've
talked to
so many
so much
me
they say,
I do
a
life.
I do a
never
to be in
Mexico and
always be in
the place
that's
I'm going
to be in the
world.
So I
heard of
many
ideas.
I'm
sometimes
to apply
some
I'm
not always.
But
I'm
a question
that's a
time that
it's
that's
that's
that's
that's
but
also it
is
amoros
to
that
if you
see
what you
you
see
what you
don't
yes. No, me
I'm
and that's
me pass
and so
that's
and much
people
see a
day,
my people
are very
and I'm
always receive
many messages
and I'm
some
some of my
reds
like on
the liberty
that doesn't
not pass
that's
but
I think
you know
you know
what you
need you
need a
one
to be
a
experience
traumatic
I'm
there's
there
there
there
is
being
compassive.
I think
we have to
more amorosos
and generous
with versions
that were
that they knew
what they
said.
What do you
do?
With the
resources
that you
did you
did what
did you
do that
and that
was.
Today,
today,
you can't
be able to
be able to
be a
different.
But what
of that
experience
you did
get to
get
to
you
what you
want
what
you
did you
that you
know
you
Because the
resources of a trauma
of a crisis
the people
the people
don't know
they're
because it's
a trauma
a crisis
what you
what did you
what
what resources
if you
didn't
you know
what you've
that
you're going
to apply
with other
conscience
yeah
another
other thing
is
to
get to
get to
your
reality
and
something
is
to understand
that
the
life
is
incite.
That what
said the
famous poet
Amado Nervo
that the
is a blue
the mar
is salado
and the
life is
uncierto
is the
thing.
That is the
bad
to the
people good
and things
bad and
that's the
life.
Yes.
No,
you know,
you know,
not you
don't you
don't you
know, not
for what
me?
Yeah,
for what?
What I do?
For what?
What I'm
what?
What I'm?
What I'm?
What I'm
what I'm doing?
What I'm
to do?
To do you
to do
with what
it's
now.
And the
Buddhists,
you know,
they're talking
much of the
no permanency,
not to
understand that
the only
permanent is
the change.
So,
so it's a
matter.
And what we
don't we
like to
disappear.
So,
to get a
or start,
oh,
oh,
I'm going to
be so
so that's
not going
to be
so much.
And also
about
about the
Buddhism and
what you
do you
the power
of the
gratitude,
no?
I,
postergata
postergava
because
as a
because as
it was
a
very
I'm saying
I'm
this
I'm not,
this
I'm
don't
I'm
I'm
I'm going to
I'm
no posturgo
nothing
what I'm
what I
that's the
that is what
there.
That's what
I'm
and not
I'm sorry
that I'm
that I'm
that's the day.
I'm not
Something that in the life
that is going to pass,
it's a
sequester, no.
Yeah.
I remember
much that
anecdote of Nelson
Mandela,
you know,
when it's
when he's
when they
and they're
and they're
and they're
asking,
and they feel
or if
he's over the
years of
his life
that's just
in that
in that carcel
like a
prison,
because he
said,
if I,
if I,
if I,
if I,
I don't,
I'm
so I'm
said,
I've been
out of the
carcel,
but the
carcel,
not
out of
me.
So if I
don't
let's
I'm
so,
I'm
the
gratitude and
resignificed
this,
then
so
I'm
going to
get to the
carcel,
so you
could have
said to
that
so
so
but if
not
you
would have
resignified
your
life
you
have
been
been
that
there
has
a
of a
experience
horrible
but
in the
mind
it
he
still
reviving
so
so
so
he
did
but
not
did
do
did
of the
carcels,
but no
not
it's
and just what
said,
Denelson Mandela
of the
pardon, I
know the
I'm the
yeah,
I'm sorry.
Pardoned
to your
sequestrators.
I was
I'm,
because I
know what they
were what they
were doing
what they're
doing
something.
Oh, yeah.
Ohalal
that some day
has been
certain
that took
his life.
Oh,
yeah,
never said.
Oh,
but
and a
a
I mean,
I've
asked
today,
I've been
about this
time,
and I've
said,
I've got to
know,
they're not
heard,
they'll
be able to
I mean,
it's a
thing I
think,
and no
important
that's
that you know,
how reverberas
you, no?
But the
pardoned is
very important.
I'm
for having
to have
to go to
that day
that me
that I'm
much,
and those
pardoned.
I think
we're
I think we
we're
a,
I think,
a
one,
a very
a very dear
friend
also,
this,
psychologist
a time,
Claranauma,
that's a
manned a
brother of
to the
Angeles.
She's
in a group
of people
that
of therapists
that are
to the
reclusories
in California.
But they
have with
people who
committed
criminals
and people
that have
there is
a
people who
criminales
and
voluntarily
they're
to be
that we
do we
do some day in a podcast
I said,
I said,
no, they're
no, it's
not a minute,
and I said,
just what you
know, when you
get to be,
they're doing,
not all those,
some, some,
some,
they're,
but it's
very common
that they say,
to her,
and other
therapists,
you're the,
you're the
first person
that me
and no to
my crime.
Yeah.
And then
so they're
and they
can't,
invariablyly
and not
we're
justifying
nothing,
because there's
many people
that have
passed
for things
similar,
and no
not take
the option
of the
crime,
but invariably
there's a
issue of
injustice
social,
of abuse,
of violence,
of transgression,
of,
abandon,
of certain
slavitude
at times,
even,
I mean,
there's a
great
injustice
social,
and this is
very important
that,
as a
society,
let's say,
to where,
the system
that we
we have we have we created, that is so
unjust for much
people, is the
caldo of
the culture
for that the
people that suffer
in some
occasions
take this
thing.
And that's what
they're doing
and that's
what they're
what they're
that I'm,
stay I
do you,
not.
No, no,
we're not.
We're not
we're in
the pardon.
And the
pardon has
to be
with a
election
personal.
And the
is going to
give
to be
also with
the decision
personal.
And you,
you can
to feel compassion?
The lastime is one
the lastime is one of the lastime is one of
a form of love to say wow
what you're doing, because if you're
doing that, how's going to
do you're going to be able?
No, it's not
it can't be that's being.
So they're also, they're, there's
have suffering. And also the syndrome of
Stockholm has to be with that, no?
Like, like, sentiente
to agree with you, that's not.
I don't.
I mean,
I mean,
I'm going to
when you get
physically,
it's more
easy to get in
your hands and
you know,
has yet
has yet to
have given
compassion?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah,
I've got to
so,
because the
people do you
make much
a really,
but if you
don't know
it's a
no, no,
no, obviously,
because you're
not saying
it's too
it's too
it's true,
it's just
when you
when you're
when you
something
that's a
person who
What you're doing.
But for
to feel compassion
needs to
have solded
and has said
that carcels
that I'm
from that you
know,
because if
no,
you get to
there's a
ardued and
then your
life always
always,
it's a
not, no.
No.
No.
Not to provide.
No.
You said,
no,
you know what
you're doing
do you
do you're doing
your last
secuctor.
But compassion.
He'll be
to love,
let's do
elections of
a pair
I said what
I said
what I said
I'm
you've said I'm
have said
you're saying
I'm gonna
do you're
to be able to
do the
maximum
let me
I'm
that time
I'm
I'm
that I'm
I'm
so I'm
so I'm
I'm
what I'm
what I'm
what I'm
you know
you're
so you're
doing
to do
do you
do you
no no no
no no
I'm not I
was I
was I'm
you're
focused in
service
even in that circumstance.
Because
I believed in me
in what I
in what I
think I
on me,
over all right
sure.
There are
many lectures.
All the books
sacred of
all the religions
have been
very great.
To me
I always
me kept
very grabado
although I
don't practice
any
religion but
the
tradition
Christian
where Christ
in the
cross
according the
Christian
says
Father
pardon to
those who
know
they
have
crucified
flagellated,
traitioned,
moribund,
with a
physical,
with all the
crisis that
is living,
he's been in
his aggressors
and says,
pardonal those
because they
know what they
do they're,
they're not
they're doing
someone,
but they
know what
they're really
they're actually
and they
have that
conscience.
It has
a conscience
that conscience
Christica,
no,
the love
that says
because
have you
have been
past
that,
that you have
lived
that you
think that
you're doing
that's a
thing.
So there's a
question.
I know that
it's a
question.
But if we
want to
learn some
the great
masters
spirituales,
there are the
lessons
just right.
And it's the
compassion,
the
love,
the
pardon,
think,
to think,
to think,
that's
a transcendence
of the
event
in your
life.
That's
I'm
I'm
I'm
to talk
and philosophar
here
in a podcast.
No, well,
we're
living,
it's
it's
And it was a good. And the
recorried
of my
sanation
also took
his time.
It was
without a
but without
pause.
But it
did you
and there
is where
is the
valentia
and where
is the
great merit
spiritual,
psychological,
is your
true
transformation,
your transmutation,
your
recircumutation,
your
resurrection,
your reinvention,
your reinvention,
your reinvention,
how you want,
and it's
that's that,
when the
people
me ask,
I'm
I work with feminists,
disappeared,
abuse.
And the people
me say,
but why you're
with so
a lot of
my response
is the same?
Because,
I'm trying,
I've seen the
final.
That's in
first moment,
if you're
sitting in front
of me,
you're going to
resignificate your
story.
And that's
the power
of my
sequester.
That those
people
are to
resignificing
what they were
to try.
Because the
life
still,
Mark,
you know,
and the
life
did a
a arm
spiritual
powerful
that's,
you know,
you know,
you can't
understand the
words,
but I can't
understand
really,
but I'm
saying,
I'm
my mom,
well,
I'm sure,
I'm
thought,
I'm still,
I'm still,
you can't
understand
things that
I can't
understand.
And that's
the power,
like you
know,
of that
a
evidence
can
become
in an
opportunity
to
get a
opportunity of
a
question,
and when a
person
that's
in a
therapy
you know
to tell
his
story and
you know
and you
do you
don't
you know
you need to
say it
because
you know
your
your energy
your
mind
your
is the
person
that person
can be
that person
can be
and that
you
can't
help you
to
reinventation
to
resuscate
to
do
what
you did you
do you
do you
are the
repar
resignificinging
and reinventart
and the
people who
does that
is the
rest of the
repartes
reparate
and repair
and repair your
story has
been to be
with what we
have called
the compassion
the penon
reparate
resignific
that I
going to say
of what
I'm
and now
how I
reinvented
to this
for that
what I
have
have a
so
so
here
a
a data
of
Harvard,
says that the
people that
can't find a
purpose and
only you can
find out of those
three R's,
obviously, no,
you know,
there's, no,
there's, no,
no, no,
no, no,
no, no,
no, no,
no, no,
no, no,
no, no,
so I'm,
so I'm very
spiritual,
and I'm,
I'm going to
get, that's
that's a
process, that's
a process,
much time.
But they're
that they're
a new
purpose,
a new proposal,
after a
problem,
and a
traumatica
augment a
601%
the possibilities
to sanar
emotionally
to find the
purpose.
To find the
purpose.
The person
or the
woman in
the way?
For what?
For what?
And many
times
me have
said,
but how
you know
you can't
you know,
you know,
I've
dedicated to
this all my
life and
with all
the women.
It's that
the
because the
why you're
to me,
not you're
you,
no,
you're not
you can
know,
But okay, but yeah
me passed.
What I can
do?
To part of
to this.
To do
do you know,
what they're doing
also the
philosophies
spiritual is,
there's that
election
said with a
word or
other, no?
And apart
of the
life has
premeated
with
testimonies
of
situations
very durs
very
more than
my
I'm
to say
that have
that have
that has
resignificed
their
life
and that
me,
and that
is my major
treasure.
Thank you, Shalamit Graver, for
to share your story.
Something that has
asked you and that
you want to adder
like an election
final for
someone that
can be able
or listening
or is going
or is
out of something
of a trauma
horrible and
there's a
variety of
experiences
that we can
talk in the
life.
What do you
would say
that person?
I would
I would
if you
do you
don't
you're
because
to sanar
you have
to pass
for the
incommodity. And the
relations
sanas, even with
one of them
include in conversations
incommodas.
We have to
try that
incommodity,
that's the
pain, that
to be able to
and we're,
and if there's
a light,
for the
more dark
that's the
way, it's
maybe,
even, even,
even, even,
even,
sometimes,
days,
a time,
months, and
not the
but there's,
there,
there's
there,
and,
and if you
can't
find,
and,
you can't
Ked
solo.
I mean,
you can
help a
person to
do you know,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
And when
you have to
the possibility
of a
kind of a
way,
there's a
mind that's
a matter,
but I'm,
I've seen
in my
life, I'm
sure that
you've
been, I'm
see, I'm
going to
know,
I'm going to
see,
it's a
matter,
to be able
to be able to
and that
we're not
about we're
not much,
that's too,
the more
that's
much,
the more
is that
you're
you give the opportunity to
say,
if you exist a
solution and
it's other
way you're in
it's a lot of
you're in front
your nose,
not you know,
because it
has to be
your reality
you know,
you know,
to be the
question.
Shulamit,
where you
get us in
your
social media
to learn.
I can
find
how Shulamit
Graver in
all my
redness,
me can
find in my
podcast
that's called
resignififing
and I'm
because that's
my mission
and no
I'm reinded
so I
endos
so I'm
so I'm
resignifif
and
so
Thank you.
Thank you.
And consult a private
does it?
No, but I
have a clinic
formed by me
with therapists
specialized that
I trained and
it's called Resignify
and just.
And also
also in my
reds me
can't even
and you can't
many of the
great of
all the whole
thank you
a lot of
this story.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
A minute,
I'm going to
Mark,
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