El Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil - 409.- Navidad sin cuentos: origen, árbol, regalos y Jesús con Elisa Queijeiro

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

Celebramos la Navidad cada año, pero ¿alguna vez te has preguntado por qué la celebramos así?Árbol, piñata, regalos, posadas… Todo tiene un origen Y Elisa Queijiro, humanista, narradora cultural y escritora, nos comparte el origen de la Navidad, el solsticio de invierno y cómo historia, cultura y espiritualidad se mezclaron para dar forma a lo que hoy vivimos en diciembre.No es una clase de historia, es una invitación a entender, sentir y mirar distinto estas fechas.Y porque no solo celebramos en automático, también trabajamos así, te invito a mi masterclass GRATUITA:  Cómo generar más ingresos con menos estrés, donde descubrirás las claves sencillas que pueden transformar tu relación con el dinero.👇🏻Inscríbete aquí: http://almamatters.com/dinero-podcast-youtube*Importante: Nuestros invitados son expertos en sus temas y reflejan su conocimiento y su punto de vista, siendo conscientes de que cada una de las opiniones es totalmente personal. La información, datos, comentarios, estadísticas que se presenten en el Podcast de Marco Antonio Regil, son de exclusiva responsabilidad de quienes las emiten y no representan, necesariamente, el pensamiento de Marco Antonio Regil o de la producción del podcast.Este episodio aborda el origen histórico y cultural de la Navidad desde una perspectiva educativa y simbólica. No busca confrontar creencias religiosas, sino ampliar la comprensión de sus tradiciones y significados.

podcast of Mark Antonio Regil is a production of RGL Entertainment and all his rights are reserved episode 409. Episode 409.

Today we we did we're really how surgio the Navidate in these feches as a very

a great a great expert expert that's here with us she is author of various books

very interesting one that's a patria with mother another that's the daughters of Eva

and Lilit and that's writing a new book about Magdalena. Let us an applause.

Elisa Kejero, humanist, narrator, cultural, and a scriptora that's with us a little. Aclos.

A lot of thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know, about the Malinche.

Yeah. And the veranda history of the Malinche. Yeah, because we have to

tell the truth. That is the of a country with mother. That is. The cigas

of Eve and Lilit about the about the about the the mythos that they were about

Eve and how nobody no nobody The first is the husband of Adam, according a myth of Hebrew. And that then they're transformed

in a brush, exactly. In all a monster. And really, there what we are these stories that were told and that formed

our manner of relationarned as humans. And now you're writing a book about the real Maria Magdalena.

Exactly. That we have that we're so much conceived, that's invented, never was prostituta,

was Gregory the great, in the sixth, who who who Convier. In that mix.

Mexla the story of the prostituta that was to be a pederada with Maria Magdal. It was a but that's not even if it

was in times of Christ. It was a papa. Yes, exactly. It's a papa many years after.

And it and it a lot of us a lot of that's never was really, so it's really,

is her her friend more fiel, the that not the who's the last the last

the last the last of the apostol the apostle of the first, the first The first was

she, but that not very much. Now, well, today we're going to talk about

the history inconvenient, because it's convenient, like, for the, for the traditions,

to be the real idea about the new thing. It's interesting to know where he came, and

this no change the thing, and nothing. Exactly. And, it's simply

to know the history and where it came. Because, well, I'm surprised

much, I'm very years when there era in the zone in what is a

country Santa, Palestine, Israel. And I went to there. It was a moment of peace. And I went to and justly we passed there the Navidad

traditional, I mean, so the 24 of 25 December then. Then we got the first the first time.

And I'm going to that in Belen the Navidat no was I'm all the

everybody we're celebrating the 25 of December of Christ that was in Belen and

I'm there. And the 25 December not Navit. It's the the place

less adequate for to pass the Naviata. And then it was, it was the year or it

was a festivit more than a much more a lot of the historically and historically, is that's according to

the customs, the traditions, and unying the data that we can call historic, what if it did not

in that time? I think a moment, Marco, that I feel to get to the

history is like to start to the history is a child, and more your creencers and your traditions

are refuerces after your and you can't get festeating the night of the 24 and the 25th and we'll continue we're doing

not even it's not much it's just to understand so let's because in Belen it's like I remember a little

the 5 of May no? Exactly that's in the States of five of May oh man a thing

a great and you come to Mexico the 5 of May and it's the it's the it's the only that

we're the only we're not a great festivity but in the States United is. So,

he went to the day that all the world Christian we're thinking in the Nacimento

in Belen in where he was he he's not he. Look, at the end of Belen and where

was that is that is the place and that was where he was the Santa Elena

the mom of Constantino or so before of Santa Elena if we know we we're

we're going to let's the Bible you can you can you can revisit

like this is the truth absolute, according the faith of every one. But also the Bible

us give us different things that are geographical and historical, that is to help

to map out the moments in our history as a human human point.

Yes, today. Today, we don't about the Bible from the religious,

but the Bible like the what are the things that the Bible to know

to know to know. And we know. And we're we're not we're we're

two evangelists that are two evangelists, that are those of the moment of the Nacement of Jesus, but never

done a fecha, Mark. Never done Fech exactly. No, they're certain, especially

that they can get to deducing to do with a certain that not was in December. The first and the most

contundent is that Maria and Joseph are a sense. Exactly. And that

that sense no could have been pasted in the winter. No, no,

the censors not the they're they're they're they're and the Obejas.

In friazo. Friazo. So that is the first. That's the sense of and we have for the history

Romana. So, so we know that that was important. But not in November, December.

No. That sense had been to have been in an time much more more more than

calurosa at the more than the very, but is intermediate May or

Juneio, that is much more more noble the time. All the all the people

had to come or to get to to the place to the

house to So, so, both Jose and Maria were to be the house of David,

and they're going to move to and they're to go to know how much they'd have taken

regularly to go to gore to that they're not they didn't they're to be

a carabana not she came about this idea that they they were on solitos too

if she she she never have been in a burrow not, that after

we're an animal interesting in all the things the

burrito savanerer Exactly. But, but, but, also, we put ordeas of burrows to the little bit more the world. And in reality,

what's the bird is the word is the that's the good. So, well, that's another issue. That's another

thing. But then Maria and Jose migran in caravan to be able to in spring or in tono. No, in

winter. No, in winter. For the climate. The government pedia when the people could

come in and go, and it obviously the Romanos want to be how many, how's there,

how can't, how control. For that's the other the Romans

inventing the so they're they're they're they're they're they're

they're to get to get to but he's he gets

the time of the part and for it it's it

in well now if we we're not biblically

the prophets as as say say they said

that had to need to there of Belen, that was this

space of David, of the family of David. So, for that we know, there's the

part of the is full. Why is it not for not for the night? No, no,

no, no, there's a lot of because obviously the people are migrating

for this obligatorial of the Romanos that had to be and they only

only were only they were only they were no, that I'm I'm going to I'm going to

have been been a very, and in this case, I'd have to get to be in not, we're going to

not even they're they're going to have got to the censor. But first he's the baby. So, we're going to

be born to know, is Lucas. If he nace in Belen, there, more of the other references

of that the way not used to the only reference. No, the references of Jesus out of

the Bible, we're we're going to have more to do you and as a rebele

that was about about the people of the people of a new way to to be a time of Poncio

Pilates. So, so we know that in time of Poncio that is there was a realtor

there was a old when when we went to a tour in a national geographic

coming of photos and we went to a church that was a in the

supposed place where where he's where and you're a and there's a lot of

to get a place where you say, here literally stood the pesever and talking with our experts of National Geographic

we're asked how you know they're exactly and they said they said they're nobody's right nobody said. He was

he was to get to do and someone has put his love and his devotion to and there's a energy very

special because the people think that here but no there's form to come that here because you

they're like in the scenographic, and etc. Yes, if you have a new Jesus there's the same I think it's

the same. It's the little little the piece of the pesterner, the piece of the piece of the manita of San Juanita

Sadieh that's Aue that's a tour. It's right. But in this case, the fact, the fact, the

fact is that's but I coincide with you. I think the spaces and the things significan when

we're when we're done the significant. Exactly. And they can't to be

energy when we're we're full of that energy. Like, the Mural of the Lamentos

and the different pregrinations is the devotion the energytize the place. And in this case was Elena. Okay.

So, how many years after? We're talking, that's the mom of Constantino, the year, the second years after.

400 years after. 400 years after, it's decided in where was the place.

Exactly. And in what the next year? And also and it decide where the crucifixion.

And also it's decided that this was a piece of a cross. And we're going to you're going to how do you

do you doverns? No, no, no. No, no I don't not much. I mean, I'm not,

no, I'm not not quite compatible with that. Vendiann't I said, what's this? Ah.

No, no, in fin. Well. But I put the man where supposedly the put up Christ

and there's a whole of that people that put in the man. That's supposedly there was

and he put the hand. I did the tour complete. It's very but when we we're going to go to the

year we're going to get to your little. I'm a lot of you're going to well. Santa Elena, what does?

Of the end of there's a mom of Constantino is one of the first Christianas also Romanas that also

wants to that he doesn't be Christian in Christian Catholic, apostolico, to what we would be

a lot of that was called different, that she was a And the nwera. And the nwira Mewer. The wife of Constantino? The wife of Constantino, because she was

Christiana Arianna. Christiana Arrana. Arianna, that was Arriano, was an obispo that was different than those that are going to win. Okay. And the nwera

amanecese moored. And Elena begins to be supermently Triste, a summently affected. Many masters of

history us say, because, who know, because it's the first,

the newer. And then there's the first. Exactly. The suegri. The suitor. The suitor.

He said, no, he said, no era. No, no era. No, it's a

made. It's a matter of the emperator Roman. You know, I want that my

kid can this. And it's the first that is the Peregrination. In penitence, Peregrina, Penteenthia. Peregrina, no.

In this tresticea that has been, has this pregrination to the Santa. And when she gets, she's the that she's the one that says, is that here was the pesebred, is that here was the crucifixion. She'll determine those places, the century fourth, obviously in

that area, that as a year, that's you know, they're saying, they're saying, the earth santa, because it's like. The three Grand religions Monotheists vibran in this space

and there are places much more more than Jerusalem is one of the places where you can connect to the world.

It's very touristical. You know, get me, for favor to a a log, to a

a little I can be a brazor and I can't have a connection because this vibra

because it's like a it's like a central in tourism religious so. So you

don't you see no you no it's tourism, it's tourism,

and people and many religions. A little for the for the is the same but it's

your own own your own kind of but it's a little bit of the significate and vibras the city? It vibrates tremendous so be in

feo. The same those people are that resguarded the santo per cento, for example, are in a

time, you know, and you're and you're saying you're saying, and there's there's a problem. And I'm a

question, we're going to we're going to we're in the people, we're we're in the times, we we're in the

the place where supposedly crucified to Christ you're in there's a church,

you're in a church, you get you get a little bit of and you're there just in that

the pierre that's at the building a church to a place to that that's space.

They're here they're there's there but in that there was a little

a scale a place in the facada in the face that was

there was all right and that that horrible escalera that's

that this the church the church is it. And no can't move any one

one sole escalera if not they're on the same and they're not going to move because they're in

they're in the way, and why they put it and what they're going is that of these seven

religions that control them the temples or the churches the religion Catholic no have

no they're not they're they're they're no the the churches

Catholic are not or out of but I don't me, I'll explain? So I'm like

yeah, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'm thinking that the churchy thinking that

the church and the dominante and the religion original. And when you're the church,

Orthodox Orthodox Greek, are other churches like the those, the

people are like the church is there is a but it is secondary. So it's

interesting much, many many impactos. Fikate that just

in Jerusalem me pass I migra, because I'm doing the investigation of Magdalena,

that just just about and just where it's the mountain of the olive of the place you know you're going to

a church a church, Mark, divina, with some domos spectaculares dorados, different to all

the other and I'm and I'm going to give us, and that the church, ah, is the of the

Magdalena and I'm, like, because nobody no, nobody knows that's that's that's

it's a public, it's a No, we know. Obviously, I got to get to the hotel, to be able to

and that the place more silencioso, more so that I'm in all that the area of tourism.

No. With those fresh, divinous, contando all the history of Magdalene, the orthodox,

even being Christian, when the cism, never they they're not they're not they're not a prostituta

penitent. For them is the Apostol de that was in the Catholicism orthodox,

that is the that's the practice in Russia and the side Asiatic of the

world, you know, that is the religion that predomina. And we're the West, are the

Catholic Roman. Exactly. That's what was the religion of Pablo. That's

Paul, if we don't independently of those epist and the top, is the first

marketologist of the history. Sure. It's the that's the Christianism as we

know. Exactly. The Catholicism so the Christianity. You know because

because also the people obviously are very very very very

many. But much people did the Christianism of Paul. Because he said,

it was Pablo, not he didn't know he he knew to and he he told his story and he had problems

with Peter. It was all a thing. And fidgette Magdalene that is the that can see the

according the tradition is the first that the first in his evangelio, that's an apocryphos of the epiphrifes

of the Jesus he says wellventura to you that you you're you're turvas

for putting you know we're we're when Jesus, no you can't

see when it when it when it's when it's when it the altitude to make

it's a not really to be able to to be able to see that is the that he no it's the

no, no, no, no, and that is to and it's to be

and it's a that the time is that the thing of Magdalene is like it's like

it's like a a star someone someone and very special and very important

that in the Catholicism of the the world, the Roman, the Anulifican. But in the Catholicism of the East,

the Orthodox, the Orthodox, the orthodox, it's really one, is the apostol, the first. What is very interesting is that there are

three papas that they want to give up their place, Paulo, in the 69, Juan Pablo and Francisco,

but to us not us get that story. So, we're going with the anti- so, for

that I'm very interesting. But, well, in the nasimient, not the

400 years after Christ without the print without, without, Facebook or Instagram,

without, without. So, Elena, mother of Constantino decided where? It's an perination and

it's understandable it's an very, it's an thing, so she has to put in a place, so she

did, and now doesn't mean it's because the people from the century 5th and

then with the Cusades. So, that's Elean, the pregrinations to the

Santa. The crossades then are to protect to the pregrinos, over all of the Saracenos and of the

Arabs that they were for those are the crossads. But from that's a single of Santa Elena,

we're talking in the 3146, 448, for there, it's a Santa Elena of the

Cruce, because she is the the thing, these pedacito are the cross. And the

the cross of Jesus and all the the churches of the world, also in the astiglias. Another historian us said in the program

of RadioFourn, that if they'd all the pedacitos of the supposed cross of Jesus, you'd be a edificio because they're

circulating the assyas for the world entire. Exactly. So it's, that's good good. And I'm

that's right. Exactly. No. Cropem me to know. Also, I mean, I go,

if we're going to the Caterral of the Mar or the Pilares of the Tierra, these great books, us,

us help understand that where there a cathedral and where there was a place with a reliquia

then there had a person, there were people, there's there's, they'd get them in the

hotelitos or those posals so they're those centers monetaries. And I'm always always to talk to

this story to say, but if you get the relicia of magdalena and it is a

perfect. Yeah. But to that we don't have the adult to say, well,

I don't know so I'm so I'm so I'm never I'm a end a end of a end of

the material. So the manita of Sancuda Tadeo or the pedacito of made of the cross of Jesus or

the crano of Magdalena well not not would be important because what Christ came to just to know

our body and our car. So clavart in the physical then it's not for

there. The fact what he he says when resuscita he says after

after his name Miriam and she he says Raboni in an act of

him he says no limetangere. And it's has translated like, no,

other other way, it's, no liemetangere is, no you have to fervres to the

and you're in spirit. That would completely congruent with the answer. Absolutely.

But that's not he traducoe. No, it's not me to talkes. But if

you're to go to the arameo original, it's not, not you don't you

do you know. But is that when one leen a Bible, for example in our

language, in the Spanish, you're saying, you're was translated from the

Arameo to the Greek. Uh-huh. From the Latin. A Latin. To Latin. Yeah,

we're getting to the English? No, we're not. We're not. First. First. The Arameo.

Greek. Greek. Latin. Al-Ileman. And yeah of the Aleman, after the

Uttero so they're going to do the Bible. Something is is that we have a Bible

Catara. And then to be the Spanish. And then then we also, yeah,

Monge's and I mean, exactly. We know, Athanasio of Alexandria is the the same

time of Alexandria, and that's the same time of Alexandria, decide what is it's, it's ratification in the

Concili of Trent, or even much time after and a San Geronimo is all that they say

that's the word, and there's the Bible, that still the Bible that still of the

Catholicism, vulgata because it is it for the English, there He's out of King James of England.

And he has his own Bible protestant, that there's two protestants. We have... We have... We're different versions. And there's a word in Hebrew,

in Arameo, because Christo no was... It was Arameo. So, imagineate how it was able to have been easily...

In the traductions. ...to not you do you, to... A no me toke. So, could be... In the same... In the same... In the...

A bit, Dendaya in English, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no way. No, there's a way. No,

no, there's the reina, Valera, is the protestant after the Lutero, that's based more in the Bible, also,

abreah. So, like they're like the transcriptions, like the sabios, hebrows,

that they were letter by letter, for letter, for that we don't know, we're different versions and we

we have the people, the church the church, I, let's say, to the traducion,

if you want to study, you're still historically in the Bible, the most of the reason is the Rina Valera,

more than the other than the New Jerusalem, although it's minimal what can be, and there's seven books of

different and there's a man on and every man who the man who's like, give me

let me give me no, no, but a copy was the monge sent out,

sent out, and that copy to do that copy to do that exactly, to do you obviously you put to

think if the monge said oh, this is what what's what's the

thing is this or this other the monge he put in his own his own his own

his own the other are the aremoe are the are those who

know in the and you can help you can a t'o

altisisim that the origin that's that's that's all origin

that's yeah yeah that they're this this this is what

is, this. This is not going to not to get to the word because in

reality I'm going to say complete. No, that's a in the

arameo. In the arameo original. So, no it was a virginity castic.

Uh, but it was a woman, say, 100 to be a mother of

that's a child of that was a man to be a human but never said

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our the zombies to work. Well, we'll come back. Oh, yeah, we're not

to know we're going to never to never. So, so 400 years after you

decide where are the places saddardos, no there really really

really that really to be to decide. Now, yeah, Lugares Sagrass. Jesus.

No, not's the 25th of December. I mean, even in Belen, it was celebrated in the 25th of December. No. It was to have been born in the

in the winter. In the spring. In the year, in the celebrations are, in,

I'm in, I'm in a place in a place. And I'm in January. In January, like you're on a little

year, I don't record a little bit of the year, but if we're going to, I'm going to the day of the

Rays Mago. Well, but it's it's a other Temaso. Well, but we're

clearly that in different places we're in different feches and that no there's no way of never a form of know.

Again, who was homogenize is 300 years after, Constantino. Constantin. Now, that day, yeah

was the origin of these fiestas the end of winter. Exactly. From the hundreds of years back.

Centos. All right what are what we call the people Germanic, Celtas. Here in

Mexico. Here, here, here, also, here also, here, also,

the solstice The solsticeo was like his first A surpliceo So solsticeo Yeah, it's Yeah, You know,

How's how much Yeah, for free For a hunger And, and also, it was a large The day So, there was

many ceremonies To the gods of the natural There was There was There was There was Depression.

And so, the other Webrams We're just, We're And we're To make do this day

Special for that We're When it It's the day to be more greater, to be more light. Poco a little.

So the solsticeo of winter is when it's when it's, it's the day more obscure. It's the solsticeo is the day more obscure.

And it begins to go to the light. Of the fact what we come we're like like animals of the

animals, etc. is because they were to do you're then they're so they're not going to live and

they were the they were the people who they're to make this It was to give gracious,

let us, we're going to the, yeah, out of the sun, of the war,

of the life, of the year, it was to be to be the next year. So,

then from there was, about the 21, December, it was in the solstice. And generally

going to do you're to do you, even to even to do you times, even to the time,

the festas. And the most, and the year, the year, the year, the

the arbal, the The arbour comes of the Celts. The Arbos is Christian.

Nothing Christian. Nothing. Obviously, when the evangelists, when the different

sacerdotes are migrating to talk the Christ, the history of Christ, they are going to evangelizing,

they're they're to make a for what they're to do it, but I'm going to get to all the

night. Because no it's not to do you. We'll bring us a new and we put them

to back. Exactly. And then we're we put the lastiment and

we we've got we've got a new with a new significate that's a Nordicorra

it's a Nordic was the first of the jule was he a year old

pereceder that he could be to make a fogata and that after that

after after then they were ramas they were maras and so he had

a pin to beto no and curiously curiously they were

they were and families to those best to me go

of the Gagina, I have this and they're these these and they're

these They were their dioces principal, but they were in this relation of what he was in the life. It was like this

pass to the world. So the Christianism is a little little. He gets to do the arboral. And it's a

different to get to the pagan. So, they're the narrations of Adanyeva. Of the

what color were the spheres traditional? They're rogous. Rojas, no? The other.

The way is that depends of what the color you the color you the mansana. The manzana.

So, so they're Adonar because I'm a story of and I'm sorry and I'm sorry. And then the nacement

there's a back. The nascimento because I'm to talk to a story when you know you know and you're

to get back and then those fosadas pastorellas etc. And the and the regalos that were

those overivivir? Exactly. It was in that moment. I'm got some some margott

here. Here's the pavos. Here's the pavo he's more more I'm coming. Comian

Pobo for that but it's very Interesting, because they're the Celts first. The Celts,

you know, that they're going to have a fusion with the Romanos before the Christ, before Jesus.

And the Romanos were what you're saying. They're going a new thing. They're not a

certain. Sure, because, because the solsticeice of the winter, that's the

solstice of winter, but then the first Saturninas. The festivals. That also

are in the same in the same in the same time, what did the Romanos, very the

style of Roman. It was in the Fiestas Saturnina was what was the

the first of the sun invictus. The sun invictus What does say the sun no like this

relation? Wulbe to the resurrection. The resurrection of the sun. It was like a new and was

he was born to know and he was a so that's a so that's what we're going to the romans

the romans in those days fiftate not they not there no there were there

were free those were those seven, 10 days. And there a reventon style

Roman, right? Obviously. Well, if it's like a holiday of year new.

Exactly. Like more what we do we're what he's in the moment, surely when

he was when he was not sure. And also they were not really those people.

Also, the first the first the first of the Saturnina's the is the

of the Sol Invictus that has with the god of the god mitra,

these the gods that not die. And is Constantino the says,

let's say, to the Christianos. A when, when he's his God and all.

Cri. No, see. Cri. Well, says Lucas that he was

and that came to Belen. Yes, but when? Well, but it after the

migrations and came to the men, and they took over to get

to Egypt, but when. And then he's the God is the most important

to what the God we can do you want to Constantino

not quitted Roman. It's sufficiently intelligent to not not create

an enmistat with the Romanos. To make a transition. It's the syncretism religious.

It's a syncretism. Where they are all the religions, and then they're

they're right. Exactly. Because it's not not going to be a constantino

but it's the the first the kind of the religion of the first

the birthday is the 25, the Christ is the 25 of December.

But also there devotion to a a God that's a name of a mitra that's

the death the next the same day the same day and the same day and Mitra has to be equal with the

light with the force, with the death. God Romano Mitra. God Romano Mitra. And so it was a

25 of December the 25 December. There was there's much fiestasas the 25 of December

so the logical was to put it on the whole year we're going to let me yeah there

there there was like for so the people people are going to

do these narrations important, religious, and separate of them, the 24th of December, because we have, over all the countries more like us, Spain, the Latinos,

we have the night, and then the night, and then the Navi-No'Ot, because are people more religious and are narrations, like the of Adan and Eva,

and as the Nacemian-Eas, in the night, they can't letania, the can't be Jansicos. The famous, a little, some of his

abuelas, still or with their papas were at the misa of the

shes of the night. Those are the first when when they're here? Here's when they're

the francisans in Mexico. In Mexico who are you are the transition of the religions pre-Hispaniacas

Marko to the Navit are the Jesus. Okay. That the those Jesuit

get to about 1,000 so are the last in getting. And they're they're they're

they're so brilliant are brilliant. And then they said, A-beer, here, in that

era, we're at the feasts other way of Pankets to Listli. And those fiestas

to whom celebrated, al-a- especially, to be sure to do you, and obviously. And solstitio

and the same, for the same reasons. For the same of a day more, more short, no, we're going to

have to be a case, in the Serpient. The serpent. In the pyramid. In Chichenitsa. In Chichinitsa.

In Chichalkoatl. No? In the Aztecas, but there is, but there's, pardon, this. Cuculcan. Cuculcan.

But it was the same. The world entire celebrated that the winter was to start to start.

Because could regress the causecha, could be the light, it was going to be less free.

It was logical. Exactly. So, there said, it was too very intelligent. So, brilliant.

If you just if we just We're going to We're going to a fiesta for that

we're going to transited the Romanos to the Christianism and for the indigenous, like the

people are the people who are just going to Mitra. Mitra also there some stories very similar

this story of Christ of the three kings and the Strelen and that nace

of a virgin and that he's it's a story that is a story that is a story that's

had been in the past what the The other the way is that many of the religions ancestrales have this

idea of the mother virgin and the death desquartisada of the god

for example with Isis and Osiris who who revive etc. And the

story of God that posse a human and has a a un a son a son

from the Greek from from the old. Griegos from

Bavilii Bavili but so greegos, that passen to Romanus, is Seus

and has done in many occasions, these fertilizations. Sus semidioses, not? Sus semidioses also,

although if was it was physically, but yeah existia, from the Egyptians, and here we

had a Qatlique. Quatlique is embarasa of a pluma that's put in the

cinturon. Uh, be a pluma when she had been retired. She was

the mother of the threeas and the mother also the Luna. And then when she

retina that's retina that's put a little bit of her stintry with with her cinturon that has a calaver and she embraza. And, of

actually the daughter, she offending much, she'll make a Lus, Hwitleu Dio, Ossilopostly. So,

that this history yeah had been been told in many occasions. Exactly. For example,

for example, for the question, for the question a little to be a virgin, the virgin, because

And my dioces, who's had been talked as no, of a way, not the way,

there's not very, so what's the word, if Cueue was he had been born about a

woman, so if the Maria, she had been born a spirit, a paloma, then,

no, no, there's when they're saying, but no, you're going, you're going, there's

where you're where it's where really, the conflict. There's really, really the conflict, internal, we'll be

after what's what does Guadalupe, no? Because Guadalup does this the understanding in

a point much more cosmical, we'd like that's a transit with the with the

indigens, more than the people, more than the point. It's a point spiritual, religious, in the two cultures.

Totally. That's another other day. But we're going to get one. We're in the Navi-

is that all interconnected. It's super interesting, no? So, when you put to

learn to learn it and study, it's when you they're inco you know,

you know, you know, the mother Teresa Calcutta? My faith is very because she I'm doing.

Or the poet of the Christianism that's Kierkega says, well, the faith

only is that really the when Iruce the tunnel of the doubt. And you you can't

think it and what you do you do you do you do you know to get to

and that you know that you can't that you can't know the different

versions and the different all all all all

So, they'd the cultures, the contours, the funtable, the restomber, and the day is

that we can't today is, how we're we're doing. We're going. Right, yeah we've been, what we're doing,

what we're doing, what's going to what the piata, with the pina, with the pinaita, the pinaina, the pina is China. The piata is China.

The piata is China. The piata is Mexican. The piñata no is Mexican. That's if you're going to fend. The pinaata is China and Marco Polo is the first that

you have the narration of this in Italian it's a little, it's a

little and then he's a get a and they're they're they're using for one of

the years the time. And for Italy we get here but yeah but

yeah with papal with with the picos and he doesn't count

it's the seven the penitos capitales not the the pixos

the what the what's what the one of the first the people

with the Spanioles. So, so, no, all these narrations are mixed when the when the

people get to get to, you know, when they're that's the this, they put in the seven

peccas capitales. Every pic for those, every bit of getting to get to ender to get

to the piata of the piques. It's attack to the peccat. The palo. The

power is the faith. The force of the faith. The force of the power.

The tentation. Ah. And if you has it's that

it's that's it's with the with the because I'm the same because I'm

exactly yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and the and the and the

really, there's the there's the there's colation. Colacion. The colations to the

colasions, in a principal, not so not much, the can't the can't the can't

the car no, the collation to give like a canastita with some

confitados and there there was like there was that you That then, that's

that's but then you're going to like this thing, like, colation, I mean, or colatio. Colatio,

merienda and a peasant. And is that the Spaniolian in these feches, and then rompian with a

little bit of a little we do you do we do we do we're saying we're saying Mexican, Mexican,

well, it's after the evangelization. For example, something, something that me seems divino

and that we're also we're that we're about the actuations. How's the name? It's called me, it was the number of,

some posadas pastorelas. The pastorelas. The pastorelas of chis, the chisters, all there are many many more peladas,

the pastoreas they're all. They're so. They're very are very it's in the convento of Acolman,

the century 17, when other other times, and other guys, to say, a bit of, how do you say,

how we're talking, how we're, so, a can't, so, a can't a can't a little

For the kids, for what act, you're the good, you're the mal, I'm going to do, you're the devil. And then I'm going to get into a time of the music,

a through the actuation. Yes, and obviously the posada, also, you know, they'd get the nascimento,

and they were the nashmium, it was the cell, and it was first in the conventos and then the

caries and then the houses. And because were nine posadas. For what? Nine months of

nine months. Because who who's who's going to be posada? Well, the embarrassedada. The embarasada. The virgin, no? The complete. The complete?

Uh-huh. The woman integral. Uh-huh. That's a woman integral. Miserre. That's really the traduction of the Arameo. A woman integral.

Integran is other thing. Exactly. It's a, it's a translation. Exactly. But not exactly or necessarily the word original.

Exactly. Now, the romeritos that we like, well, I mean, so I do you like, the tursts, the romerreterter is. The romerter is goody

but the recalentado no you know the recalentated the romerito the romerito was in the fiesta of

so they were in the lot of chelites with much chileas and with guiva of a grana

with a so that was very very hard and then then he's people and they're all

we can't get to get to car and we're some the monjas the

the mone the they put they're they're they're they're still

kelites because are these yearvas, but yeah no we're going to put.

The mole, as we do we're after the men who are the men who are the first. The monjas are

the caro is going to make a maravilla for all because they're energy, they're

going to what is of chocatl is going to get in chocolate and then they're going that they

they're not a cause things incredible and they they're not the chili to the mole and

that that's a flavorcito pescadoso that's that rarer, a molley with the torta of cameron, there's the customer, but

are the monjas those that they put in cameron. And, and the ponche. The ponche. Well, yeah, I,

like the, the monjas a fereen, a man, a ferno in the monger. Oh, I've got

a, the platic of the life of Sorjana just in the claustro, we have to talk a

one day of Zoruana. It's to you that you that you get to do all the

rebele? Yes, No, no, yes, yes. It's the rebele. In the cycle 17. Sure. So, oh,haal, we'll be able to say. But, yeah, the ponche.

The ponche, the monches. The poncho, the monas. The ponies, the monas. The monas. The mollas. The munches. No, the ponche is, it's, it's, it's...

It's... The poncha is Chim-in'a the pincha of the India. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not, but it's the magic of Mexico.

I think so. It's the Requeza of Mexico, that we have things of the Arabs, of the

European, of the people, that mess of cultures. That's the magic of Mexico.

It's that's a panche and it's a say five. And I had alcohol,

sugar, tea and species, and they put you also, me there's a

little more, obviously, I'm a little bit of the Englishes. So, the Englishes are

They're all right. And we're doing the ponche. And we do we do. And we're, but nobody let's chubby. That's the magic of Mexico. Tamali. Tamal.

That's pre-Hispanic. Oh, and that's pre-spanical. Oh, wow. The tamal, yes. The tamas. The tamas. Oh, the moms.

Sure. And they're involved all the new Jesus and then. No. No, no, no. No. Just or no.

Well, in the rosa of reels, we're almost I'm eating the baby Jesus. And it's the boy of the

woman who said he's the he's a woman who's the man who he's the he's the man who

exactly. But because the mull the mucchillo? Erodes is erodes Bucs borked

the rosa you know, you know, you're doing you're looking to get looking to you're doing.

So in reality, what we're doing to do you're doing like you doing it's like you're and then

you're you're getting it's different what we we're we're we're

we're rare. Because, what are what are the animals in this time? What do you?

What are? Ah, there's Simba Dormying. Yeah. And they're and they're in the coveh

and they're free? And then we do we're and we're doing? And we're doing? A lot of

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of Christ, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, not the religion and all around but Jesus, the essence. When we're when we're

Jesus and we understand we're and we're and never he never to be Jewish. No. So,

but I think the middle of my friends are Jewish, I've got many of my friends, the Judaism that was the ram

that's over- the Judaism of the times of Christ. They're phariceos, celotes, Ceseos, The sacerdotes were like the most,

they were more romanized, if we were just like, they were like, so they were the restymanes, and were those who were they were in front the sacrifices, almost not were

with the people. The Pharisees were, imagine-s that were like the vigilantes and the most conservatives, the most radicals,

were the Pharisees. The Opus D. Yes, he also, he said, but he, so, are radicals.

It's the more strict. It's the most strict and the most fundamentalist. Fundamentalism. They're fundamentalists total.

And obviously, Jesus is going to let us say, let's say, let's say, because apart

are they're very students of the Bible. Those who are students of the Bible are they're

to say, if they're saying, if it's the messias, because are the prophecies.

And the others are, and the other are, they're those who conspired for that

the Romanos maten to Jesus. The segment of the Jews that conspira with the Romanos

not were the Jews not there were much no, there were just they were with ramms and palmas received the

was Jesus Christ superstar exactly but who are those who conspired are the are the sacerdin the sonnedrim

that are the because imagine the cupula that came to say there's there's a new rey of the Jews

this compete with us compete with us with us with us with us with us but

the other the people are doing and also us and it's

a horde of bivoras. And it was the cupula privilegedgated that received yeah. Disapparese

but received in this time the privilege of the time to maintain tranquillos you know

you're to help us exactly and you have privileges they're so they're not in the

madrugated when they're not they're not the so those crucifi are the

crucifes are the because there's because that is the The story of Hitler, literal, of Hitler, of, oh, the Jews crucified to Christ, or then I'm going to

perseil. That's the anti-semitism. Absolutely. The Jews, a grand... Imagineate that you, today, you could say, I if you're saying, I'm, so, Christ and Jesus, the end of Christ not the name is Jesus.

No, it's Jesus. It's Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Christo came... And Yeshua is Jewish, and there are many Jews that are so. It's so that's going to expand. But it's a group

little bit, they're a... They're a... They're a... ...asen a conspiration, because the Romans say, what's going

never had been a Jerusalem in the first of like what is going to and in that moment,

the leader of Sanedrim even in contra of many of the Pharisees conspired to them

to say, I tell you I'm and a change of this, he said well,

but I'm going to liberate also a conspiracy of some and the time.

And the morning and all the all the world is all the They're not They've not

They're They're The Pesach, that's the Fiesta because Jesus in Jerusalem Well, the entry of

is the Pazca It's the Pascua. All of the Pascua, all of all right. For that is a carlour

three days after it's because it's because in Pesach not yet. But also we have to understand

that Paskua was a festivit anti-romana was when the people and we're we're able to

and we're we're able to the past and we and God and God and God and there

there's a new new So there was a whole a sentiment anti-romano. It was the day that all

celebrated the pasqua, but they were the dead to totally to the Romanos.

So there had a political there, you do they're and they they're

and they they're they're but not those Jews, but not a

one, a segment privileged of the cupula judy. That's not the

Judaism that is the right is the is the is the

is the is he's going to go because the year 70

they're they're about the lot of the lottes and Roma and he said it's

it's I'm not I'm not I'm know they're one after other they're

they're and then the last time or let say this grand exilio

of the other are Jews because those are so so

so it's the is the exile it is the exilio of the

world which is what is the dias some some some

are to Exactly. And Pablo, doesn't. No. The message is universal. That's true.

Yeah. Also, but there's but there. But there are you. And the first division is between Pedro and

Magdalena. Uh-huh. So, Magdalena has the part mystic of the, of the

but the great promoter is Pablo. It's Pablo. It's Pablo. For so there's Pharmacia San Pablo. No,

no, is that. It's the hero. Pablo is the creator, is the is the creator,

is the Judaism and out of the world of the people of the world of the world is the grand

conversal. It's the great corbis, the of the market technetna the leader that's

without you know, and then is San Agustin. And then then they're saying, the grand

leon of God, to Saulo of Tarso. There's there's a great leon of God

San Pablo. The star is Pablo. The staria. The staria. The starian. The king of the apostle

was the first. The Apostol the apostle of the apostles. It's disappears.

The here I like to think that's a little what the Lilit, you know, so he gets

with Pablo, he says, and Pablo, with him, because he says very elevated, that they have with the

elevation of the soul, and Peter he says, how is possible that the teacher you have said this,

and no, no, he said, and she, and he says, but no he says, but no

he says, but it's poor of you, it's, that you, that's what they're saying in the

tour, the people, the experts of National on Geographic, that of the Apostoles, Pedro,

was a good administrator and was like, it was a human, but not it was, the tool, the armienta more brilliant,

the instrument, the first, that's the only, that's the first Papa, Jesus, there's a moment that he said,

he says, he says, and then it and then we're to understand that we're and that the rama

and the church is the world, I think, when it's so, they're humans, they're

they're pescadores, there. There are two, Pilar is, Mark, the pillar Romano and the pillar

Jewish, no? And that's what so is what so that's just the Jews of the today,

no, they're nothing to do you know, not to be able to not. Not they've they were they're

they're they're going to get to they're they're all some many things, are many things.

But, end up the Jews like he Hitler because they're not they not they

were Rome. To start for Rome. The entry was Rome. The entry to say,

the Christians in the Inquisition in the Inquisition to the Christiansians, no. It was a

group of Christiansians that were in the Inquisition not the Christianes. Not even are the line

direct of those Jews. Juan Bautista was Esenia. Eran. They were the hippies. And so,

there's where we're all these forms were the hippies. They were the hippies and were apocalyptic. Aseurouro

they'd the fund of the world and rapid. And rapid, yeah, the messiah. No, in 2,000 years, 3,000,

no, no, yeah, yeah, it's a part interesting in the text of the word of the word, because

obviously has a lucian to Juan the Baptist, and he said, and the was it was, so,

for the senos, Jesus, who rescat, prostitututas, is with people, with the people,

he was, he was not was the esenio messias. So, so, not the so,

so at the final, no, because Jesus, Jesus, it was his own his own

I think it's... His own a ramee Nace Senio and he's separated after the baptism. Because it was

more rebel than the rebels. Exactly. I think he he's is a universal and Juan El

Vautista is a very very juicioso particular, so attack a only a old man

to Herodes and Jesus is talking to all right and no but he's they're not the

attention if it put a limit, so all and I think and

just narrow what what does Magdalena when when where Pedro, then she is the

ram of the contemplation. She's the She's a little. She's a She's a little. She's a more developed, more intelligent,

more advanced spirituallyally. And Pablo rescata that line of Jesus because Pablo predica

something universal, not a Christianism for the Jews, but a Christianism for the world entire. It's a

Christianism for the world entire, but is a legalist. Legalist legalista. I mean,

Paul was a Fariseo. Ah, Pablo was a fariceo, very romanized, but it was a strict. Stricted. So, for example, in the cards of Pablo,

we're going to learn that the women are they have to cover the pillow. It's the first that the women don't know. And of the

women are not sacerdotas. It's not. Sacertotas. It's a good. Because sacerdotis because sacerdotis because sacerdotis

because it's a president. It's a person. It's a more like priest. No, it doesn't. When it's a

priest, no, no affect it. In Spanish, we're a bit of, but a sacredotis, or a sacredota, or minister. Minister of the church. So, Pablo is the who says, ah, ah, here no. And if you, see, are the reminiscences of how they were in that era, Pharisees and that form of Judaism, how they

were the women. Interesting. Very interesting. And there we can't understand a more. So, the, the Christianism that Roma adopts to, Rome adopter the Christianism when has a disaster in the empire, and so it's

quartering and needs unir to to unir to in a way. In, in the

20 years more in 15 million of people for the war in Rome and Constantino is a

great strategue and he says about, how is possible that there is a million of the

people, I'm going to you'll let you want to you're all to do you want to

the vassiliches that they're there's there's there and there let's go to

what you get to but you not us going to pursue. Yeah, no

I'm going to vote. Bote for me. And then to that a change of there,

there's, there's, there's, there's like the question they're the council of

Nisea, and then they say, no, they're not they're not, they're

not, until that they're to be saying, and me they're so,

and they're so, and they're so, so, so, so, so,

so, so, so, they're, they're, and they're, the line

that not are the Rheanos and the creedo that's the church to the church so.

So what no he was accorded in that the union of was a era of the

and now we're going to pursue you you have two two years two years

two years two years two years after two is the second emperor that he

was obligatory oh that Constantino he was he doesn't believe in what

they're He has some statues like Romanas, and still invictus and Navi-Navid. But then Teodosio...

He's Papa, no? So, yeah... Yeah, and he says that's the 13th Apostol. No, is that

Constatine is a coiff, also. So, he is the auto-declar the 3bo- and the

successor of Peter. Exactly. And there comes this line Romana of that

the Papa is the subcestor of they're going to more the obisps

they're going to be to be one of the one of the

first, much time after. But in that moment Constantino we're putting

the rules, Mark. It's the that's the thing that is the thing that's something.

But there's a little a fact of historical. Constantino in his leech of death of

the first time that you're the same that he was the same to have been done a something.

But well it's a person. It's going to be... No, it's that very interesting, but then the persecution

of the most Christians. To the Christians. Simply because no... I think you're... I mean, I'm so I'm going to

these regals that they're not. I'm... I'm... So, there begins to the Inquisition? The Inquisition

will start. With Teodosio will be a persecution now of the Christianos to all the that not were

Christian. They're so they're those who mat they're inipatia of Alexandria, for example,

and the they're they're they're because it was a woman that was a father.

And so there's we're not we're completely of Christ because Christ not would end up

people, matting people who think to think to do that people. Who does that we're

that we're that we're in what that's a disconnection? In what we're in that we

know, we're in the Christo of Pace of a un-a- un- love,

to un- to do- to turn- to not- to not- to- to the Christianism

to I'm to be to be to spelejure or or to kemare live, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Or even if you're Christian, but no accept what I say, you're going to persecute and you're going to torture and to kill. In what moment did that disconnection? I'm what I've

gotten more study is when more is humanized and when it's full of power. The persecution of Christian to

the Christiano, the first inquisition, the first crossada against Christians because not contra Christians is in the

the Cicel it's Alvigens and in reality is because in the south of

France was a new form of a new form of a new form to think it's there's always there was many

and it and also because those territories Marko not pertene to be to be

a ryan they're very very nearergott and they're different

a a little different and they're they're the territory

so then the the Rey of France with the Papa and they're on 22

of July the first crossada against the and then there's going to the inquisition in the end of the

fact. The first the first the first the first the first the first is terrible

because all the church we're we're not the conses of that those

they were there's there had a there's there there are there

and they're all the because the church is a thing is a because they're

the church, they're called Simon de Montfort. Until right in the South of France says Simon and

there's a even after scupe because they're an barbaro literal, a person really a person really bad.

And when they're the inquisitors see that there are the people and the other the president of

the papa. How are who are the people? Matalos to all right to all right to choose.

Oh, God. Duele. Duele much. Dwele much and we we're

going to of the story, what I me is incredible, and at the best of this delicious,

a great question profound, is, and a past of them, the message Christic, if you look you, it's the

message Christic. The conscience Christic, the message Christic. Mm-hmm. That's the love. Is the

love, is the pardon. The Jews were, and the Phariseesos, well,

they had all these things, and what did it? He did a new

commandment. Ama, a Like to you Like you Mimus. And then Amasuma another one more

to do you your heart and all your and to your progim-to and to be and not says, as you

like to be like you as we if we're that precepto that we and we're we're going

to the people Christian fundamentalist that's that's what Donald Trump to do

the does the exactly and where is the am a to your progimo, like you

to be the where's the the immigrant that's going to get to get to get to get to get to the family

the immense majority that is a good, a person who's two, three jobs and that that's a and that's

that's economically much, and that they're not those encapuched in a patruly in a logit

has got because you're because you're moreno. And so and this, and so, but but I'm

but all the force of Donald Trump the Christian fundamentalists. The fundamentalists. So,

we've been changed much. We're going to, we're going. There's a other than there's a retrocesses. Christ, no.

They'd be sending, them would be doing, they'd be doing, they'd be doing put to work and he'll be. And this is

more like the line of the phariceos, this is the regal, you know, I'm doing, I'm the American

black, with these characteristics Christian, no-se-ke, who? Who was, in the take

of the position of Trump to the two, the next day that are

the people who not I'm going to say he, not I'm the only that he

put in the the minister, the obispa episcopal. The obiscap is a

Christian of the mind very abirta. Very abirta. Very abirta. Well,

they're they're having a but also with a but also with a no Mr. Trump.

No, Mr. Trump. You said that God was not this. If he comes,

not can't continue, permitting that the children are not sure because they're to get to their parents.

If it's odio, no can't be of God. No, but it's a woman. This is a

Christian. This is a no, because obviously also there have to say it. There are

ramas of the Christianism of the Catholicism where there people wonderful

doing things incredible. Sacendos Catholics, are the sacerdotes, catholicos, incredible

not are those who are the not ones that they're not to them are the people who are they're doing to do comentals

to do you but it's very unconsted to say that all the Christianism has tried to Christo

no it's a great a great a great but but tristently there's a part

very important that's that's dispegated completely of the essentially of the

essence of the the conscience completely I think the the dolor more

that we we can experimented is just this suburbia religious, no,

to say, we're not, because it's just the contrary. And for me, when I get there is, and a

and a past of all, still exist in the conscience Christia and we're talking to him, and we can't

feel it, and if it's the 25 of December in August, when they want, it doesn't, it's,

but that that conscience is a conscience, and for so I'm this sacerdote

American, Richard Rour, that says, we're, we're the worst of the people in this

moment if if we're doing and we're with all the letters, what the Mr.

Trump, with a valentia brutal, that they need in these days. You know, the conversation in Lisa

that we've learned about we've learned much of you like you. But I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm a conclusion of no important that day NACO Christ, that is the

thing is, the thing is, what we came to to teach Jesus of Nazareth,

Jesua, What we know to teach that is a see as you know you know is a

a master of love of peace of equality of inclusion and if that Christ you are

or not you're if that Christ not live in your heart so that

that that's that for that can for renasca in

you for that resucite in in the essence of the

spirit Christico that is the love the peace the

inclusion the pardon, the soltar juicions, the abasarned

in a other to get to that's the that is the conscience Christy. And if

in the Navi-N we're in the time, it's it's fun it's it's

it's it's we're we're to get to the world incredible

we know we know we're we're we're we're trying to the

flagged we exactly if you put you the art a

house. Put it a more to your house. It's a precious. If you like in the nacements,

there are some of the Mexicans spectacular. There are to have to have. All right.

But that licenseia no, no, you can't do you do you get to

do you know. Exactly. No, you deslumbres in the light of alumbed. It's

for the way, the way, the side of the rancor is to get into, the the sale

is to the right the the right the racism is the the

side of the to do that's it's actually it's a into, it's a into,

it's a way to get to us to get to it's a so that's so it's really, even to

give us a word of it's a part is it's a beautiful, yeshua is divin

and Miriam Miriam Miriam de Mahala and Jesua Jehua you make

a pause and say ah and then to bring to make to get used

to be very manose very very tergiversed the name, but we'll... A past of.

A past of. A of we're talking about about the essence, even of this

day. If you want you give you a realtor, regalate to the realtor

to your question. Guard a silence. And is what was what was the caracian,

and there was the information and from there and from there was that meditab like

Magdalena and the grand mystics that are to the cave to find what there

what we are You know, we're very confused Exactly. Now, now I'm sorry to those

who know what we're doing. One of the thing. For me for all my, for all my family,

the fact, because if there's the world very confused. And also I think that the much

more confused Marko, also, also, not so, not so, like what you you're saying. Exactly.

Exactly. It's a contraparte and I'm a lot I don't know I think more

people with more conscience. in the church Catholic, the church Jews,

Muslims, of all. Deos, of all. Ateos, the people, the is that if

we don't see that our conscience in all, we are there are borkes of the beautiful.

And we see it in every every injustice, there's always there always

there's there there and getting, and don't and, uh, jugandoes

the being the world, but rebels, but rebels abelves amoros, rebels,

that say, no it's, no I don't know I have to give a boss to this

injustice and we see we're there's there's there's there's there's

eruptions of the and the essence of Joshua what the is what is the

most say in the news but it but it is sure that exists and certainly

where we get us even we're and to where we have brought

the and to we're getting the intention is that it's

that it is that they they're they're because that energy and that this voice and that this knowledge and that

this knowledge not that's that's a sense that takes a sense Felice Cuius Felice Cuius You love us I'm am, I'm

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to the Assis. Asisi. That's just say, you know, see the place and you

go to get to that's a other thing. But San Francisco was he he's

understood. He's Christianism. For me San Francisco is the new Cataro. Yes,

he's, the, he not, he got and he did it and he didn't know.

He's he didn't he did. The Christico the conscience Christica, the he did

and also I think I think it was a moment specific in the that you know they were because

I'm going to to come to get to be in the system not far as if I'm if I'm going to find a pharmacy

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