Empire: World History - 4. Between Two Massacres: 1857-1919

Episode Date: August 30, 2022

Join William and Anita for the latest episode of Empire, which picks up in the aftermath of the 1857 Rebellion and the establishment of the British Raj. The episode covers the birth of Gandhi, the arr...ival of Michael O'Dwyer, Indian soldiers in the First World War, and the lead up to the Jallianwala Bagh massacre. LRB Empire offer: lrb.me/empire Twitter: @EmpirePodUk goalhangerpodcasts.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want access to bonus episodes reading lists for every series of Empire, a chat community. Discounts for all the books mentioned in the week's podcast, add free listening and a weekly newsletter, sign up to Empire Club at www.mpowerpoduk.com. And welcome to Empire with me Anita Arnden. And me, William Del Rompel. So what are we talking about today? We are taking things on from 1857, where we left the last podcast. And 8057 left this unbelievable scar across the whole of North India.
Starting point is 00:00:50 There were the most disgusting war crimes ever committed probably by the British anywhere in particularly three main cities, Delhi, Lucknow and Karnpaw. Certainly tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are bernetid, hung, blown from cannons. And anyone who thinks that the British Empire was benign should read the letters of this period. Because even figures like Dickens are writing, delete Delhi, wipe it out, scratch it from the face of the earth. Because what the people in Britain were being fed was this propaganda that... Child eating monstrous natives.
Starting point is 00:01:32 Particularly women raping monstrous natives. And there's this idea that the mutineers, when they rose out, raped every British woman in India and performed unimaginable. atrocities. And it's certainly true that there were atrocities at the beginning of the uprising, but they were, you know, fractional compared to the unbelievable retribution, men having to lick up the blood in the Bibigar, sewn into pig skings and blown from the mouths of cannon. And this went on for months. I mean, there were very organized man hunts. My book, The Last Mogul, was written from a group of papers called the Mutiny Papers, which are very carefully preserved in the National Archives of India, because,
Starting point is 00:02:12 because they were the evidence used by the lawyers and the prosecutors in 1857 to round up anyone in the royal court, anyone in the mutineers camp, anyone whose name appears in those documents had a price on their head. And there was bounty being off these things. It was literally wildwe's bounty hunters type of stuff. And then rounding up families of people. If you don't find the person, you find the families. And there were stories of, you know, princes who were sort of disguised as Fakhirs
Starting point is 00:02:38 living in courts like Udaipo, technically beyond the... at the reach of the Raj, who were being caught and brought back to Delhi for bounty 20 years later. So this is a really important moment in the changing of the psyche of two countries. So first of all, Britain now does not see that the time of Ochtolone and the white moguls is dead. You do not trust the natives. That is now the message that is loud and clear going across Great Britain, Westminster in particular. and in particular the school which churns out the Indian Civil Service because now of course the other thing that changes
Starting point is 00:03:17 is this is now no longer a company that is taking care of business in India. It is a country, it is now state intervention. The East India Company Navy is sold off. The East India Company Army is integrated into the British Army. The East India Company Civil Service is integrated into the Indian Civil Service as it now becomes. And you get this transformation. of company rule into state rule. By 1870, Disraeli makes Queen Victoria, the Empress of India, and it's a time when you have a complete realignment also of the elites of India. For the last 600 years,
Starting point is 00:03:57 there's been a large Muslim elite in North India. And that doesn't just mean that there's rulers and civil servants and cavalrymen and military men. Culturally, Persianate culture has been the dominant thing. So the kind of poetry that's being written in towns like Lucknow, Hyderabad and Delhi is Indian versions of Hafiz or Ferdousi. Persian is the language of high culture in a way that Sanskrit had been in ancient India. But now everyone wants to speak English. It has to be English, English in documents, English in court, English in any kind of civil society. And all civil society is now under the control of the British. We've also got, I mean, the reason we're here today, this podcast is largely about another turning point. So if you think that the mutiny, which we, by the way, if you've missed it, go back and listen as a podcast on that. But this is now another major turning point in the relationship between Britain and India.
Starting point is 00:04:58 So if 1857 soured a relationship, 1919 marks the beginning of the end of the British Raj, even though they're going to stick around for decades longer, there is something that happens in 1919 which flicks a switch in Indian minds. So if you think that the uprising or the mutiny was the thing that flicks the switch is in British minds, that now we come and we take it all, and we're not even pretending that we're trading, we are in control, this is now ours. then 1990 does it to the Indian minds and the Indian psyche. So just a bit of background on the lead-up to 1919.
Starting point is 00:05:36 After the Rogers declared in 1858, and India becomes a colony of Britain rather than a possession of the East India Company. You have a massive change, particularly in the military system in India. Previously, there was a tiny white officer elite, and all the fighting men were Indian sepoys recruited in India. North India. Now large numbers of British soldiers, particularly Irish and Scots. And so you have large barracks full of white soldiers. And following the unbelievably violent reprisals to 1857, there is virtually no resistance in India for the next 20, 30 years. There is such memories of the unbelievable
Starting point is 00:06:18 bloodshedding. The devil's wind. The devil's wind that no one dares protest. So you have this sort of high Victorian period when British rule and the English language is imposed on India, when there is virtually no resistance because people are so scared, because the unbelievable bloodshed, which had happened in 1857. But another thing has happened, which is that the elites have changed. So you've moved from the dominant Mughal elite with Persianic culture, And you've had the rise now of the different Hindu castes. You have, for example, the Delhi bunyas, the bankers, become the richest and by far the most prosperous and powerful people in Delhi.
Starting point is 00:07:08 And people no longer want to start writing Persian poetry. They want to be like wordsworth. They no longer wear for smart occasions their traditional dress. Quite a lot of them adopt European. suits and so on. So there is a fundamental sense that not only has British rule been imposed, but the whole prestige associated with Mughal culture and Mughal dress and Mughal poetry has been wiped away. And what's really, no one wants to, that's regarded his old-fashioned and fuddy-duddy. If you look at some of the letters from Indians at the time, I mean,
Starting point is 00:07:39 they could have been written by Uriah Heep because the sign-offs of some of these letters of people who have, you know, actually, let's face it, quite of newly learned English but embraced it. They've embraced high British culture as if it's the best thing in the world. So, you know, I most humbly crave your pardon to be disturbing you, yours sincerely. The sign-offs of some of these letters at the time are extraordinary. And you get people like Ghalib, who's one of the last survivors from the Mughal elite. He hadn't joined the mutiny. He'd very clearly distanced himself between him and the court in 1857.
Starting point is 00:08:12 So he's not killed. He survives. When he's pulled before a British magistrate, he says, are you a Muslim? And he says, well, I don't eat pork, but I do drink wine. And the magistrate laughs and he gets off. Garlib dies finally the same year that Mahatma Gandhi is born. And now very clearly the way is not Indo-Persian culture. It's not the Mughal ways.
Starting point is 00:08:31 It's not the Islamic. If you want to get on, you become a lawyer and you try to get to London and you want to embrace the whole British thing. And there's a whole generation that grows up that begins to half believe the British propaganda that they are this race that brings justice and civilisation. They're fair. They have laws. They have judges.
Starting point is 00:08:54 They have order. And it's this that the event in 1990 that we're talking about today shakes. That moment in the late Victorian period between the memories of the reprisals of 1857 and the loss of faith in the British that happens in 1990 is that period that we're looking at now. We are. And you were talking about that. the birth of, you know, Gandhi and Ghalib and these enormous figures. There's also, you know, not as, doesn't loom as large here in Britain at all, but in the north of
Starting point is 00:09:27 India looms enormously. A man called Sir Michael O'Dwyer, who was born in 1864, he was an Irishman, as you were saying, you know, sort of Irish and Scots beat a path to India after the mutiny, because that's where you make your name, it's where you make your fortune, it's where you become part of the elite. Speaking as a Scots, the Scots always like to feel that, you know, You know, they're with William Wallace, so they're the resistance,
Starting point is 00:09:49 a totally downcrushed by the English. But the reality is that after the Jack Marry, in the 1745, after the second rebellion is crushed and Body Prince Charlie disappears overseas, the Scots embrace empire in a far more enthusiastic way than the English. And the Scots outnumber the English proportionately,
Starting point is 00:10:07 hugely in India. You have whole towns. I've seen a picture of a Dundee High School reunion in Calcutta in about 1870 when they're about, 400 people rather than that. Well, I mean, likewise with the Irish. I mean, you know, the story that we're about to tell you is about a man, an Irishman very much in the centre of all of this. And when I did write a book about this, the patient assassin, to this day, I get
Starting point is 00:10:31 apology letters from people in Ireland. We had no idea. We had, and I will quote one, this bastard was our bastard. So let me just tell you, let's tell you a little bit about Sir Michael. Michael O'Dwyer, as he was born, was born in Tipperary and he was an Irish Catholic. So unusual because the Catholics in Ireland at this time knew only too well how difficult British rule could be. You know, his neighbours and his father's neighbours, John O'Dwyer, they had suffered through the potato famine. They were on their knees. But John O'Dwyer's family were a little bit different because they had money still. They had money, they had a bit of land, they had a bit of livestock.
Starting point is 00:11:11 So they were comfortably off, you could say. He was part of a big Irish Catholic family and he absolutely worshipped his father. His father was everything and everything to him. But his father was really unusual among Irish Catholics because he believed in British order. You know, like you were saying about sort of Indians started to believe that order and civilization,
Starting point is 00:11:31 inverted commas, came through British rule. That's exactly what Michael O'Dwyer's father thought. He thought, actually, we should have loyalty to king and country. That is the only way he didn't like the kind of disorder that he was seeing from the nascent Fenians who were springing up and setting fire to things around him he found that disorderly thuggish he called them hotheads he hated them
Starting point is 00:11:52 so it's that in that environment that little Michael is born and brought up and so he starts you know almost from the mother's teat drinking this truth that British rule is order nationalism is bad it's dangerous and that really is you know that's his early wiring
Starting point is 00:12:10 and there's also a fear very much, that he's brought up with that generation, that 1857 could happen again, that you could again get this mass of Indians as he sees it rising up against the women, the British women in India in particular, are regarded as these sacred objects, which must not be touched. Yeah, 100%. And it's reinforced by the Indian Civil Service. So the ICS, their training is predicated on how do you avoid 1857 again? And the message that is like a big Belisha beacon over every single classroom that is going on within the ICS service is do not trust the natives.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Do not trust the natives. It is just a, you turn your back on the natives and they will put a scimitar through your shoulder blades. So there's a real sort of fear and loathing which is bred into this. And it's a small cadre, never bigger than 1,200 people in the ICS who go over to India who are going to control India, which to me again, those numbers are astonishing. you know, a massive population controlled by 1200. You often see in pro-British writings about the Raj that how we were clearly this much-loved imperial force goes the argument because how could so few Englishmen control so many? But the reality was that, you know, it was on the back of a pile of skulls that had been
Starting point is 00:13:25 created in 1857. So, you know, it was possible for, as the legend went, you know, a single white man on a horse to walk through a night, any place in India, completely safely, because everyone was so scared by the retribution they've seen. But you begin to get the first ripples of resistance in, is it, 1905 when Curzon partitions Bengal? So, yes. I mean, so just, you know, this is, so, so Curzon is the viceroy of India. He is an incredibly pompous individual.
Starting point is 00:13:56 In fact, his school friends tease him relentlessly. Do you know the poem, the dog raw that comes from, is it? My name is George Nathaniel Curzon. I am the most ridiculous person. Superior person. Superior person. Superior person. So, you know, he is a man who wants with shiny epaulets and gun salutes to put Indians in their place.
Starting point is 00:14:17 And he is the person who presides over the first Delhi Derbar, which is going to be a way in which very physically and visually you can show the natives that even their princes, the princes we have allowed to stay on their thrones, the noabs we have allowed to stay in their her. of Elis, they all come forward. We give them the number of gun salutes we think they deserve. So you have all these Indian princelings, ridiculous men fighting over how many pops of the gun they're going to get. And they all fall before the King Emperor. The Maharajas, the princes who are left by this stage are those who allied with the English in 1857. So all those like the Rani of Jansi who rise up against the, what's then the company in 1857, have long been hung and sent off into exile, hung or sent off into exile. Yes, I know. It's difficult to be in exile. It's not,
Starting point is 00:15:08 it doesn't go well. So you have basically the quizlings left, the guys like, like the Sindias or the Hulkers or these, these forces that could have risen up against the British. And the ones that the Indian nationalist will call the sellouts is who are left. And they're given ranking. So they have 100 gun salute, 50 gun salute, according to how useful the British might find them. But sort of the person who's watching all of this is, is young Tipperary boy, a Michael O'Dwai, who has come over to India in 1885. And he is, when he comes over to India, he is that lone white man and a horse. So he comes, first of all, into Lahore.
Starting point is 00:15:47 He's been given the whisper that Punjab is going to be his place. And Punjab is a problem. That Punjab, there are two centres of discontent in India. One is Punjab. One is Bengal. They're churning out violent men and insurrectionists, and they are the places that need to be squashed. So he sees Kersen when Kersen decides to partition Bengal that that is a way of dealing with problems like this. Kersen decides that, you know, if I put a line through
Starting point is 00:16:15 Bengal, I can turn Hindus against Muslims. That is the nationalist argument. He says it's to control this very large area and have a better civil society in this area. But Indians see it as the first example with a line in a map of divide and rule in India. And to this day, Bengali is still rankle about it. It's considered one of the worst things done by the British. Well, when Michael arrives in Punjab, and I'll call him Michael just because there are names which conflate here. In this massacre story, there is a man who you will meet in a minute called Rex Dyer and Sir Michael O'Dwyer.
Starting point is 00:16:50 And in Indian minds, these two are often conflated into one joint little devil called Michael Dyer or Rex O'Dwyer. I mean, you'll see Google searches on this. So I'm going to just call them sort of Michael and Sir Michael for. our man who will inevitably be in control of Punjab at the time of the 1919 episode. Leita, tell me about the First World War, because that obviously is a major turning point for the British Empire. And what's the response in India? Well, so Michael has risen through the ranks, and he has now become lieutenant governor of Punjab. And he's done that through having very little interaction with Indians. He doesn't like them.
Starting point is 00:17:27 He doesn't trust them. He thinks they're backstabbing snakes. He very famously and proudly, writes in his own memoirs about how when he's invited to picnics with Maharajas, he takes his own sandwiches and he eats them, he won't eat anything that's prepared. Even a Maharaja prepares food with his own hands and he won't eat that. He'll eat what he's brought, which is sort of spam sandwiches with him. So he has that kind of disdain. But what, in the run-up to the First World War, he is very keen to establish that he is in control. So when the call goes out that they need soldiers to fight in World War I, Sir Michael's right on it. He's decided that, I, he's decided that actually it's going to be a competitive sport.
Starting point is 00:18:04 And he's going to send more men to fight in World War I than any of the other lieutenant governors of any of the provinces in India. And he's got a head start, hasn't he? Because the British have at this stage begun to identify what they call martial races of which the Punjabis are won. And so they get sort of prior access to the British army on a sort of ethnic sort of hierarchy almost. And Sir Michael exploits every Fisher.
Starting point is 00:18:32 that he possibly can. So he refers to Punjab, his province, as the sword hand of India. He says, you know, I've got all of the fighters, the natural-born savage fighters are all in my constituency. But what he does is he goes around to different parts of Punjab. And he'll say in Amrits, he'll say, you're effeminate and you're useless. Look at all the Muslims who have been provided in this village here. He'll go to a Muslim area and say, you think you're warriors, you think you're strong. Look at the Hindus that have been conscripted or who've joined up. It's not. We just say this is part of a sort of ethnic ranking of India that the British have sort of developed by this time.
Starting point is 00:19:07 We tend to think of sort of racial hierarchies as something that the Germans invented in the Nazi ideology, the Jews at the bottom of the pile. But you find books written at this period in the 1870s in India, there's a large, I think three volume of photographic book of the peoples and tribes of India. And they have these sort of caustic little comments like sort of a degenerate tribe full of criminal. So Michael does it. He does his own version. I mean, he writes his own little version, its own little pocket guide to the savages, where he does these sort of sweeping generalisations about ethnic groups. You know, the beals, you never meet one who's sober. You know, the Sikhs, they're quite thick, but quite useful. You know, he's got these really disparaging remarks in his own words. But he, you know, whatever he does, it works. And there are also reports in Punjab about men being press ganged into fighting. You know, sometimes a man, a recruiter will, turn up into a village and everyone will have disappeared overnight because the rumour is going around that they're forcing people out to fight. That is a good place for us to just pause for a moment and take a short break. Welcome back to Empire. So Indian troops are being shuttled to the battlefields of France. And just remember, these are people, some of whom have never been out of their
Starting point is 00:20:24 own villages and they are chronically under-equipped. They don't have the right boots, the right coats. So many die from the cold. It is as much an enemy as the judge. Germans. And the biggest destination for most of the Indian troops is the back end of the Ottoman Empire. Indian troops get sent into a place called Cut, which is now in Iraq, where there's initially a complete fiasco. And there's a siege which, and many, many Indian troops are either captured as prisoners of war or killed or die of starvation in the siege. And it's a real old-fashioned, sort of grueling sort of medieval siege that goes on a cut. So when you wander around, in my local village on the outskirts of Delhi,
Starting point is 00:21:08 there's a plaque that I pass on my daily walk and it says from the zales of Budapur and Maroli, I can't remember the figures, but something like 250 men went off to the Great War of whom 80 did not come back. So that's the really important thing because this doesn't happen in a vacuum. You know, you've sent all these boys off
Starting point is 00:21:29 and they are boys, a lot of them, to fight, who just never been anywhere, and their families need these boys. to work the farms and look after their aged parents. And when the news of deaths, bodies don't come back, it's just the missing. News of the missing comes back. So, you know, with very religious people who believe in cremating or burial before sunset, this is a double wound.
Starting point is 00:21:49 You know, their children are dead on a field in Basra somewhere. They're never going to see them again. In Punjab, because so many of those casualties come from the north, there are waves of mourning which come sweeping back. And that creates a really fertile ground for insurrectionists. Like the thing that Sir Michael has always thought exists, he partially creates because of his sort of very enthusiastic rounding up of fighting men. So, you know, you have a situation in 1915
Starting point is 00:22:20 where an organisation is starting to gain a lot of momentum called the Gother Movement. You know, what is our credo, revolution? They have a newspaper which revels in how you have to kill the British to get them out. They're never going to go. They're sending our boys to die. So we've got to kill them first. And it is a violent movement based on force. You know, there's no negotiating with these people. There's no power sharing. They're out to kill us. We've got to kill them first. So when these guys come back from the First World War, you've got thousands of Punjabis who survive, they come back and they're expecting a kind of reward, aren't they? They absolutely are. They're expecting a reward. And sort of just during the war, by the way, the gathers are so, I should say, so successful that they try, they have enough. at least confidence in themselves to try and start a second mutiny. So again, everything that Sir Michael thought would happen is kind of happening on his watch. And some may argue because of his actions.
Starting point is 00:23:11 So there's a, it's called the Hindu German conspiracy where some of the Gother movement get in touch with the Germans, let's not forget, a fighting World War I with the British saying, we will help you. We will start a revolution in the ranks, just as they did in the mutiny. We'll get our Indian soldiers to rise up. Now the thing is Sir Michael is very, very good at one thing,
Starting point is 00:23:30 intelligence. He understands that he needs to be on, because he's so paranoid and he's kind of, through his paranoia, he creates the problem, but also is sort of all over the problem. He manages to infiltrate that plot, the Hindu-German conspiracy. I mean, to his- Where is that in Flanders? It's going to be that the Punjab cavalry is going to rise up and kill its, kill its masters, and then it'll start an insurrection, which will spread all through India. The British will be so diverted in India, so then the Germans can make gains. And the, the, the, the conspiracy is taking place and orchestrated out of his reach because Sir Michael's very sort of hang happy, if you can put it that way. He hangs more people in Punjab in his
Starting point is 00:24:13 province in a year than are hanged in all of Great Britain throughout the period of the war. So he's, you know, he's a person who is punitive and feared in India. But when these troops come back, the troops who are actually in the trenches do not mutiny. They are very loyal. They're very loyal. They're very loyal. Because they're expect. expecting, you know, the honour and the glory when they come back. And they also expect some sort of political reward, don't they? They do. They expect, there's talk about dominion status, such as New Zealand and Australia and Canada have.
Starting point is 00:24:44 But instead, what happens? An act is past. An act is past. So during the war, the British passed the Defence of India Act, which is understandable. In times of war, countries do this. You know, no sedition, no criticising of the British. But they go further. they suspend habeas corpus, anyone can be arrested at any time for acting against the state
Starting point is 00:25:05 and against the war effort. Armistice just happens on the 11th of November, 1918, everyone thinks that these acts are going to loosen up. And as you say, quite rightly, you know, dominion, status and rewards will be ours for our loyalty. Do you know, one of the most loyal people during this period? He's a man called Gandhi. He is the chief recruiting officer for the British effort. He, like Sir Michael, bizarrely, is travelling around India, saying, if you are not strong enough to fight this war, you're not strong enough to have your own country. I mean, there are tracts of his speeches, which could have come out of Sir Michael O'Dwyer's mouth. He is more loyal than the king, because he also believes in this promise that if we show ourselves to be good
Starting point is 00:25:43 friends, then our friends will leave us and we will have a good relationship, a bilateral relationship, but, you know, we will end on good terms. So what year is it that this repressive act, the Rollet Act, is passed? It comes in straight after Armistice. So the Roller Act is basically an extension of the defence of India Act. It's a rolling legal situation, but it's just named something else. It's named after the judge, um, roll it. So what happens? What's the effect when, when, when, everyone is presuming they're going to be rewarded. Instead, they're given this repressive act. So what, what's the reaction on the ground? Gandhi is so incandescent at the betrayal because he too has sent men to die in this war. I mean, he said all sorts of ludicrous
Starting point is 00:26:25 things. Like, you know, people have pointed out, you're meant to be nonviolent. You're asking people to go fight. He said, well, I will ask them to stand up when the time is right and just be shot by the Germans. So our bodies form a dam that will stop the violence and the Germans will see how terrible it is. I mean, there's cuckoo stuff coming from Gandhi at this time. But his sense of betrayal is such that he says, you know what? These are black acts. They are so anti-legal. And he's a lawyer at the end of the day. He's a British trained lawyer. He finds them so offensive. He says, right, we're going to fight back. We're going to have a prayer day because he doesn't believe in violence, we're going to have a prayer day where everything stops. It is, in other words,
Starting point is 00:27:01 going to be a strike. Because you can't strike, because the route attack doesn't permit strikes, that is anti-state, and therefore people can be picked up. But if you call it a prayer day, what are they going to do? So he marks the prayer day down for the 30th of March, 1919. That's where everybody's going to down tools, no trains will run, no letters will be posted, no telegrams will be sent, everything will stop, the shops will be shuttered up, that's the plan. And you know what? It's extraordinarily ambitious to try and unite a country, as you've, you know, very beautifully said in previous podcast. You know, this is a jigsaw country that's been united at times under things like mughal law, and bits of it have been united under different empires. But for the
Starting point is 00:27:45 first time, you know, there's a jigsaw country that is under British rule. And he is trying to get every bit of that puzzle to stop on the 30th of March. And he, he gets, you know, he, he galvanises it. You know, it really works. So if you, in the north of India and Punjab, which is the place where our focus is going to be largely for this podcast, there are two men who are Gandhi devotees who marshal the peace. Dr. Satchapal and Dr. Kichlou. Serafadine Kichaloo. Now, so one is, one is a really chatty lawyer, Salfa Therthin Kichaloo. Again, these are, these are people, Saifreddin Kichelu went to Cambridge, went to Piethaus, Cambridge, and suffered a lot of racism actually while he was at Cambridge.
Starting point is 00:28:24 So his whole world view was turned upside down by his loneliness at Cambridge in the way he was treated. He sort of comes as the brightest in his year and he's treated like a piece of dirt here. So he goes back with this sense of the British really aren't our friends. And then Dr. Satyapal, who is a man who's received the viceroy's commission in the Indian Medical Service. So he's been a really loyal little soldier. But also through one reason or another has seen the way in which his countrymen are treated
Starting point is 00:28:51 in India. So they become fully signed up Gandhians. They believe in the Gandhi peaceful way. They've got to leave, but we'll do it peacefully, not violent. And in the part of the Punjab that we're focusing in the Amritsa district, they are the leading Gandians. They are Gandhi's men. And you know, they hold that, they mark that 30th of March date where the prayer day in peace. Not a shot is fired.
Starting point is 00:29:14 Not a stick is hit. In Delhi nearby, it's a very different story. What goes on there? You have marauders who are going around trying to inform. force the prayer. So you will have, in Sir Michael's words, hotheads everywhere. So they notice in the daily market that some of the shops haven't closed down. They haven't locked up for this, what is ostensibly a strike. And they're not praying out of it. So they start to come out and intimidate the shop owners. The British respond with overwhelming and Gandhi argues unreasonable force. And
Starting point is 00:29:46 they fire volleys into these crowds of people indiscriminately. So some, you know, some, you know, say there were better ways of doing this, but people fall and people die, which then accelerates this. This is 30th of March, 1919. So these are the weeks leading up to the massacre. This is the backdrop. You've got to understand why everybody is so on edge. So Gandhi's fed up because the British have let him down. So Michael is expecting an uprising. Gandhi has reacted with the day of prayer and there are outbreaks of violence in Delhi, not in Amritsa, not in Lahore, but in Delhi, miles away. And so Michael sees this as a sign. It's coming. It's coming my way. And the thing that, you know, you said a little while ago, this whole thing from the time of the mutiny that the
Starting point is 00:30:34 British narrative is that they're going to come rape our women. Women, he's got his wife and his daughter in India. It's really, really important that he's got his wife and his daughter at Governor House in Lahore at this time. So he is living with this anxiety, anxiety. And he's going to society bolus in his stomach. And I told you so feeling. Anyway, after this firing into the crowd, Gandhi is livid. He is absolutely livid. And he says this is reprehensible. We are going to respond to this. We are going to have seven days later a day called Black Sunday where nobody does anything all day. It is going to be the largest general strike the world has ever seen. So it's going to make prayer day look like, you know, a tiny blip in service, he's going to shut it all down.
Starting point is 00:31:18 And everyone's very, very excited about this. There are handbills being printed in Amritsa. They're being spread throughout the city, you know, nothing, Black Sunday, Mark Black Sunday, all throughout India, this is going to take place. Now, so Michael knows about this. Every Lieutenant Governor and every Governor of India knows that this is coming. They also know that Gandhi has this idea that he's going to travel to penchievous. for it. So what he does is he bans him from coming to Punjab. He says, right, it's not going to happen. You're not coming. Sixth of April, forget it. That's, that's Black Sunday, but you're not coming anywhere near my province. So you get this sort of cascade of events where
Starting point is 00:31:56 Satyapal and Kichulu want him to come because he can keep the peace in Punjab. You know, they've seen what's happened in Delhi. They also don't want that to happen in Amritsa at the time. They believe in nonviolent resistance. They believe in absolutely in nonviolent resistance. But when Gandhi comes to Punjab, he's stopped at the outskirts by the British on Sir Michael's orders, and he's turned back. He's come back on foot. He's on a train. He's on a train.
Starting point is 00:32:20 He's stopped outside the city limits at a tiny little nowhere, no hope station. The train is stopped. The British get on and they say, Mr. Gandhi, you're going back. You're not coming into Punjab. And he says, I have every right to, I'm an Indian travelling in my own country. I am allowed to travel. Let me pass. And they say no.
Starting point is 00:32:38 and there's, you know, this whole, in Gandhi's account, you know, a hand on his shoulder, the tap on the shoulder. Very gently, you're sent back, you're going, you're not going anywhere. You're going back to Bombay. We're putting you actually on the next train. You're going back to Bombay. The thing is, he's safe, but nobody knows that. The news that goes out is that Gandhi's been stopped and he's been taken by the British. They also know, these are the same British who fired on unarmed crowds in Delhi, and people have died.
Starting point is 00:33:03 So the rumour goes sweeping around India, particularly in Andabad, you know, Gandhi is a good-jad. So in Andabad, one of the biggest cities in Gujarat. The rumour mill goes into nutty overdrive. They're going to hang Gandhi. They've taken him. They've beaten him up. And so throughout Andabad, this rumor like a wildfire, Gandhi's gone. Gandhi's gone.
Starting point is 00:33:24 They've taken Gandhi. And And Abad catches fire. And there is some dreadful, dreadful violence that takes place. You know, groups of men. And again, you know, when you have political unrest, you have people who exploit it. they go for the banks. They tear out bank managers from two of the banks, set one on fire, shoot another one, stab another. And where are such a Palin Kitchliu at this point?
Starting point is 00:33:49 Well, they're in, Umritsa are keeping the peace. Nothing happens in Amritsa. Umritser is completely peaceful. It's quiet. And that is in itself a little bit of a discomfort to the man who's in charge. Because what the man in charge of Amritser, a man called Miles Irving sees, is something that he's never seen before. He's been in India for a while.
Starting point is 00:34:07 what he sees is Hindus and Muslims united in a way that he thinks is deeply suspicious. Hindus and Muslims hand in hand marking the celebration, Hindus and Muslims eating and drinking together. There's a celebration that's going to take place three days after that called Ram Nomi. It's a Hindu festival where normally, you know, the Muslims were stand on the outskirts and the saffron parades or pass through and everybody sort of jostles along separate but together. But on Ram Nomi, on the 9th, which is just three days after all of this trouble has taken place elsewhere in India. You have Hindus and Muslims holding hands. You have them drinking from the
Starting point is 00:34:42 same water vessels, which normally would put a Hindu out of caste. But Irving is seeing all this, and he's wiring Sir Michael, who's in Lahore, going, something's coming. Something's coming. The Hindus and Muslims are ganging up together. Something is definitely coming. Send troops, send machine guns, send them now because I can't guarantee what's going to happen. So Michael now, again, in his whirlwind of paranoia with his wife and daughter in his house, with all of these reports of violence and bloodshed from elsewhere in India, it stops here. It's not going to happen here. So he issues an edict which is catastrophic for the city.
Starting point is 00:35:18 The two men, Satyapal and Kichlu, the doctor and the lawyer, the Gandhians, who have kept the peace in Amrits at this whole time. He orders them to be arrested. But they're arrested in such a really sneaky way. They're asked to report. Yeah. Come at 10 in the morning. turn up, come and have a cup of tea is what they think. They think they're going to discuss
Starting point is 00:35:39 the stopping of Gandhi at the city limits that, you know, he should be allowed to travel to Punjab. We really need him. But instead they're bundled into a car. So they get bundled into a car and they're going to be sent to Dharamshala in Himancho Pradesh. It's far away, out of the way of Punjab. But the
Starting point is 00:35:55 people who've brought them there don't know what's happened. You know, they're sort of standing around on the verand going, are they coming out yet? Are they coming out yet? And when they don't come out, this little party that comes with Satyapal and Kichli for these talks, goes running back into the town and says, they've taken
Starting point is 00:36:11 them, they've taken our leaders like they took Gandhi, they've taken them, and again, the rumours go around it, they've shot Satya Pahl and Kichli, they've hanged Sathipa and Kichli, they're going to hang Sati Pichliu, they're going to hang Sathipa. In fact, they're both fine, but no one knows that. No one knows that, because nobody's really communicated anything properly. It's just been a little bit of a sneaky
Starting point is 00:36:26 trick that come and come to this meeting, and then they've been arrested. And so immediately, Amritsa and the Punjab, which have been completely peaceful and all the protests have been non-violent, suddenly you get violence. You get violence and you get knots of violence. So, you know, if you read the Indian accounts, it starts off with an Indian delegation of pleaders, you know, barristers and lawyers, going to Miles Eving, say, habeas corpus, could you please produce these two people? Or what are the charges or what's happened? And there are two choke points, you know, bridges
Starting point is 00:36:53 in the city where, again, you read the British accounts, they say they are charged upon by mobs of Indians. You read the Indian accounts, they say, we were walking across the British try and find out what happened. And volleys are fired into the crowd and people die. A lot of people die. So suddenly the British and Amritsa who've been living in perfectly normal life, going out riding, doing all the things that Brits and the Raj do, suddenly feel that 1857 is upon them. So in Amnabar they attack the mills, the British-owned mills. They try and drag out the two people who are in control of a man called Saga and a man-called called Stuart from the mill.
Starting point is 00:37:31 They want to kill them. It's actually an Indian policeman who protects them and he gets killed instead. But in Amrhebath, the whole place erupts. But you're right, plumes of smoke in Amritsa, they do, they attack the banks. They attack the Amritsa National Bank. They drag out
Starting point is 00:37:45 the manager, they stab him, and then they batter him to death. They take another man, Scott. They, you know, set him on fire. Another man called Thompson is murdered. So, you know, there are Brits being attacked, and it feels... Like it could be the meeting again.
Starting point is 00:38:01 And then the kind of the moment that in a sense, Sir Michael has been waiting for, a woman is attacked. A woman is attacked. So the people who are shot on the bridge, they are taken to the local hospital. And there is a report that a lady doctor called Miss Easton has refused to treat any of the natives saying, you know, go away and bleed to death. You're all an insurrectionist. She's laughed. Who knows the truth of this? But that certainly is the rumor that goes out.
Starting point is 00:38:28 So there are gangs of men wandering around Amritsa trying to find Miss Easton. What they find instead is a missionary called Marcella Sherwood, who's on her bicycle, riding through a narrow alleyway and they take her and they beat her. They think to death, but she just survives. And sort of, you know, the Indian story is that she survived, she's sort of left for dead, but she manages to crawl into one of the native homes and when the mob comes back to find her, they direct them somewhere else. You know, that's the story from the Indian side.
Starting point is 00:38:56 But Marcella Sherwood is certainly very, very badly beaten. And that's it. That's exactly what they, you know, that's the BB car, that's the massacre of the innocence. Every nerve that the militia should be waiting for is now hit. Every stereotype has been proved correct in the eyes of Dwyer. So it is at that point that Sir Michael swings into action. There are going to have to be troops, more troops. So he commandeers men and he sends them into action.
Starting point is 00:39:24 The resulting massacre at Jolianwala Barg is one of the most infamous moments in colonial history. Do join us next week when we'll explain what happens next. Thank you for listening to Empire with me, Anita Arnand. And me, William Darympal.

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