Empty Netters Podcast - 46. Renaming Roller Rinks featuring Trevor Moore

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

Trevor Moore of the LA Kings joins the pod! He breaks down being a Cali native and playing for his childhood team as well as making it to the NHL in an unconventional way. The boys chop it up about college war stories and his passionate love for High School Musical.   NEW EPISODES EVERY THURSDAY! SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuf52MHW1O7guPMzsMvv2kA FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/empty.netters/?hl=en FOLLOW US ON TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@empty.netters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Just producer Brian for everybody. Guys, I'm not going to waste your time. We've got another incredible episode. We're joined by Trevor Moore of the LA Kings. First-time guest, now long-time friend. Just what a guy.

Came in here. Great guy. Great guy. Right guy. Right guy. Yeah. Came in here. We got some beers, chopped it up. Amazing story. I always love guys who are undrafted. Because Trev just has, I mean, to be a, you know, solidified, great NHL player on a huge team, playoff team to come from not being drafted, not getting that many D1 looks. and paving the way like he did.

Always an awesome story. So it's going to be a great listen for you guys. I'm not going to make you wait much longer for it. We're in the dog days of summer right now. There's no hockey. Free agency is over. We're still waiting around bad Vlad, though. Teresenko hasn't signed.

He fired his agent, got new ones. Got to imagine that's playing a part in it. But we'll see where he ends up. I still got eyes on Carolina. But I'd love to see summer crazy. Maybe we get some action here with some last minute. trades, I don't know, but it's been an awesome summer, but we're coming down the stretch here. We're about to hit August, and that's when things really start picking up.

We've got some really cool things in the works. This Monday, you're going to see your boy. Me? Going to be at Dodger Stadium with Drew Dowdy. We're going to rip it up for Kings Night at Old Dodger Stadium in L.A. Dowdy's going to be thrown out the first pitch. I don't know. Maybe you'll see a familiar face catching that first pitch.

We'll see. No fucking why. Who knows? But by the time this episode comes out, that'll already happen. You'll see it on the Instagram, but we'll have some great content coming from that. But guys, I already said that. I'm not going to waste your time. Let's get into this Trevor Moore interview.

It was an absolute blast. Kid is unreal. Such a good player, such a good dude. So enjoy the interview. Enjoy the episode. We love you guys. All right, we're hanging out currently with World Championship bronze medalist. Let's go.

All-American NCAA hockey player, Calder Cup champion, and current L.A. Kings forward, Trevor Moore. Welcome to the Empty Nair's podcast. Thanks for having me. Of course, dude. Thousand Oaks legend. What was that? Thousand Oaks legend. Yes, that's true. I don't know about that. What are you talking about? You're putting Thousand Oaks on the map every day. With every new stat you get in the NHL, just another

Thousand Oaks not. I mean, I think there's bigger Thousand Oaks, like athletes, though. Not in the NHL? That's true. That's not. Christian Yellich does not play in the NHL. That's a fact. You would absolutely dummy Christian Yelich in any NHL competition. It's going to be fantastic. You got to love to see. Okay, dude, so just to start you off with like a super easy softball, did Valardi fucking high stick that puck in game three overtime?

Oh, God. The hesitation. I mean, it would be like a yes, dude. I don't know. God, that's such a hard question to answer. I know. Because I want to lie and say no. Can I give you my take?

I think he did. But I also think it hits Echolmes back on the way down and then we're fine. Okay. Like, truthfully, I think. think he touched it. Okay. I also don't know the rule. Like, does it matter if it hits his back?

Did it affect the play? If it hits his back, it's play on. Yeah. So that, I think the goal is, actually, that's a good question. Because definitely if he played it, right? Like, if there's a high stick and anything plays it, it's off. If it hits a high stick and it just hits their back.

I looked it up. If it hits any part of their body. It's play on. Well, I think he touched it. Yeah. But then it hit his back. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, whatever. Dude, what was the, what was like, did you guys even know, in the immediate aftermath? Did you even know that was getting reviewed Or did it take a second? If you'd be like wait, this might not count I had no idea I thought it was like Like overtime goal they were just kind of checking to make sure everything was good

And then they were taking a while and I was like what are they checking? Yeah And then yeah I mean someone told me it's just kind of kind of crazy Yeah, holy shit that was such a sick and we were obviously going off for you guys We were in dude that was so the whole playoffs It was kind of a whirlwind for us I mean you feel bad for us we did a ton of There was so much travel going on You have Bruins fans right? Yeah, we are Yeah.

Which is extra time. Gotcha. Ironically enough, we were in Jersey, I believe, doing, I think so. That was round one. That was round one. So no. We were in Boston. We were doing, we did like a live show in Boston.

And with the West Coast Star Times, I was in a hotel room. I don't know where the fuck you were. That was at Sanders, I think. Okay, there you go. I was in a hotel room watching that game and covering the game because we love you guys, too. Like, we're big. Since, I mean, I've been here 10 years. I'm a huge Kings fan.

now. So I was watching that game and I was like live tweeting it and like getting on the Instagram story and when you score it I went nuts and then I was back on the Instagram being like wait we might be fucked here. I was like I was just dying at myself. It was like two in the morning I think in

Boston covering that game. Yeah I mean they got to change something about that like we have like 8 30 puck drops Connor McDavid like versus like Copa tar and like Phil It's like not on TV I went nuts I was like are you kidding me that game is like people are trying to watch playoff hockey and it's two in the morning for half the

country it's yeah i mean i'm sure they have some kind of like good reasoning behind it but i think that you know it's insane we would like to play earlier too yeah of it's fucking i mean i i i'll say you know on the other side of it when east coast games start at 430 here it's the best thing in the world it's like the days the work days kind of winding down i'm like ben NHL hockey's on it's fucking dude i'm a big replay guy in sports i you know i got a speed it up in some things and everything but yeah I'm gonna like get the call get the call right guy um and that was one of the such a unique rare circumstance which happens but that was such a rare circumstance where I'm like it's an ultra xD slow mo and I'm like I literally don't know what happened here yeah I know

and like people were like we like tagging us in it and being like look at the angle like he touched it yeah I don't know I don't know for sure but I thought he touched it yeah but who cares baby count yeah goal counts all time moment yeah how fired up were you after it's crazy man it's just like a blackout moment I bet because you didn't even you didn't even selly like I mean you went up you went hands up hard but you didn't like go bananas you know well it was a weird angle like the way I shot it

I saw it go over his pad but I didn't know if it went I didn't know like I couldn't see like where it went in or like a bit missing that at all so yeah like wait for it I saw like I saw Gabe go crazy in the corner so that was kind of there we go yeah speaking of the goal so we were joking around about Thousand Oaks but here's the deal you are the first NHL player from Thousand Oaks

you are also I don't know if you know this the first California-born player to score a postseason overtime goal for a California team, which is a very specific stat. It's really specific style. I didn't know that, but that's really specific. We always joke about it's so annoying when there are those stats that come out that's like, Trevor Moore is the first player with a V in his name to score on a Saturday, and you're like, what are we doing here?

However, that stat is pretty unreal. And it makes me curious about it and I want to ask about, like, what was it like for you being from California and getting into hockey, getting to the level that you've gotten at. I mean, certainly when we were growing up, not the first date people think of when you think about getting to the NHL. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, my grandpa played hockey. He was from Montreal. And then met at my grandma in California. My dad played. And then, yeah, I don't know. I was just like playing. My dad got me into it. It was like I was playing for fun.

Like, it wasn't like I was ever like I want to play in the NHL. or anything like that. I think my dad would probably be pissed to say that I was playing for fun because it was a lot of work for him. Pretty expensive, fun, hobby. Like playing hockey in California is very expensive and there's a lot of travel

and they were driving me from Thousand Oaks to Lakewood four or five days a week. It was just, it was gnarly. But yeah, it was just like a good thing to do after school it seemed like and it was having a good time, never felt like I was under any pressure to like make a NHL

or make it to college or anything. And then, yeah, I mean, got drafted the USHL and kind of went from there. Was that kind of the switch for you? Like, what was that like? Because I mean, I think a lot of people don't know what was the day to day of playing hockey at a young age in California.

Like you said, you're driving pretty far every day, it seems like, to play just a youth hockey. Like, that's crazy. Yeah, it was crazy. And I could have played close to home and there was a good club over there. It was just, there's not a huge pool of players. At least there wasn't.

Like, I know that now there's a lot more kids playing hockey here. And so that's great. But for me, it was, we had to play out in L.A. And we had such a good team. We had Adam Ernie, you know, Chase DeLeo, Eric Comrie, just a lot of guys who had... Yeah, we had so many guys go pro from that team.

So it was cool to play on that team and go travel around and try to win national championships and stuff. So, yeah, I mean, huge kudos to my parents. I don't think that, you know, a lot of parents would have done that. Yeah, for sure. When you got drafted in the USHL, 8 overall, did something switch there? At that moment were you like, oh, shit,

maybe I could take this to the highest level? Or were you still kind of just like, let's just go with the ride, see if we can have some fun here. I mean, not really. It was kind of, we didn't know what the Usagell was. Team church calling my parents. We were like, what is this?

You got some spam mail, dude. Yeah. So it was, you know, we flew up to Carney and it was cool town. Again, though, it wasn't like, at that point I think we were thinking, like maybe I could play college or something. Sure. And then on the drive out there, I ended up stopping by DU and they gave me an offer to go there. So that happened pretty quick. But it was, again, it was just having fun, just trying to continue my hockey career.

For sure. that's uh in my wildest dreams yeah you're literally just like driving through denver and you're like let's pop by the campus and then they're like this hey do you want to play here by the way you got soft hands buddy did you have a ton of offers from different schools or was it like were you kind of doing a bit of your own recruiting when it came to college no it was kind of just like it happened so fast like i was gonna go to tri-city and then all of a sudden Denver called and was like hey you want to stop by for a visit and i met with guaz and um you know i just love the campus and honestly i got a d1 offer to play so i was like yeah pretty sick yeah that's pretty

easy option. Did you play any roller growing up or was it straight to ice the whole time? I did play some roller, but it was just kind of like ice was too. Fucking around. Too time consuming, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. No time. No time. Yeah. Like I played, I would play with some of the guys from the team from the LA Selects, but it was just too far to go out there and play. Like, there was a lot of hockey in like Thousand Oaks area, but it wasn't, you know, like those guys were playing like narch and stuff and there were any narch out and, you know. Dude, well, first of all, I'm just getting into Roller.

We played street hockey, but like roller hockey isn't really a thing in the Northeast. Because we're all playing this. It's fun. It's super fun. Yeah. So there's a ring. I don't know how to stop, dude. There's a rink in Marvista.

No one does. I feel like, no one does. You just kind of like wheel around the whole time. I went out last night just to get some reps in, took a pretty epic spill. I thought I busted my... Did you? Yeah. Yeah.

Um, are you aware that there is a petition to change the name of a roller rink in Moore Park going on right now to name it after you? I heard something about it. me tell you this, dude. Yeah. This is amazing. We've got hundreds of things. It's the Eroyo.

It's the Eroa. You guys? No, no, no. I signed it. I signed it. I signed it today. I wish we had started that. There's, it's the Arroyo Vista Community Park.

Do you know where that is? Yeah. It's in Moore Park. So apparently Thousand Oaks doesn't have a roller rink. No. But Moore Park right next door, it does. A Royal Vista Community Park, there's a petition. It has 139 signatures.

It was 137 as of yesterday. now 139. Thank you guys. They want to name the park Trevor Moore's Moore Park Center for Moore Hockey. Why do I feel like I know someone who did that?

Like they were like trying to be funny or something. It literally sounds like the Derek Zoolander Center for kids who can't read good. It is truly There's like the name needs workshopping so bad. Like it's maybe we combine it like

the Trevor Moore's park. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but it is the Derek Zoolander Center I don't know, we'll have to riff some pitches, you know, make a writer's room or something. I kind of like the long name though. It's like get it all. Me too.

Like hang over the side of the building. Yeah. Like I hope the sign has like an extension on the unit. It's like someone nailed in a piece of plywood at the end and spray painted the rest of it on there. For the kids who want more hockey. I don't know. And we want to learn how to do other things good. Well, yeah.

You know? Exactly. It's great. I don't know what we need to do to make this happen. Like they, they have on the site their goal, their goal is 200 signatures. So we're right. there. Like that feels getable literally from this from this episode. This is like a real thing. Like everyone

listening to this, we'll put the link on the post. Yeah, yeah. I actually think that we can spam this on our social platforms and get this up to like 50,000. So yeah, that's my question though. If what's the number we have to hit to make more Park be like, okay. I think if we get 10,000 signatures, then

it would be impossible for Moore Park to ignore this. We're affecting real change. And that's, I think this is our goal. Yeah, but I think do people want that? I think like as a joke but like Well actually well here's the here's the big question Who is a Royo? Like are we stealing this from someone?

I don't know I thought that was just an area. Okay okay alright good I don't know who if it's a family If it's just a town then that's boring as fuck Like we should name everything should be named after Yeah we can beat that We can beat it The Trevor Moore's More Park Center for Moore Hockey

Can you believe that That's hilarious All right We're pushing this and we're going to rename it officially. But, dude, you, by the way, though, if this happens, you're going to have to come, like, cut a ribbon or something. I would love to cut a ribbon.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Never cut a ribbon? I'm able to do that, yeah. Oh, dude, we've got to get you to cut a ribbon. Yeah. We'll do it. We'll organize a little roller tournament on its inaugural day as Trevor Moore. It's actually a fantastic idea.

This is all going to happen now. I don't think you understand what you just signed up for. Yeah. I don't think I signed up for it. Listen. I didn't sign the petition, but I'm in. There's a, there you go. There's a verbal commitment here.

And when this gets the name change, you have to be there when we... I will be there. We would do some fun stuff. This is exciting. Dude, and all kidding aside, because reading, I did some... They got some literature on this place and you. Yeah. And all kidding aside, in their pitch for it, they're waxing poetic about how awesome it is

that you, a local, have made it as far as you've made it and how inspiring it is for the kids. And that must be cool for you. Like, you being a kid growing up here, watching those kings and... games like dreaming about being out there and now it's it's you the kids here are watching you and dreaming about being out there like that it must be a cool experience i mean it's super like humbling right i mean i know that everyone it's a hometown the nchl but it's it's different because there's just not a lot of hockey players that come out of where i came out of and it's a hockey hotbed man like there's a lot of fans out there you drive around uh where i grew up and there's king's stickers on so many cars and

stuff so it's it's been super cool that's my favorite part about the south bay man is like you talk about LA for all it's great elements. Some people say that there's not a lot of sports culture, but you go down to the South Bay, and that is King's territory in a big, big way. And it's so fun. And like the King's games are sold out like you read about. So,

I think there's more of a presence of hockey and King's culture in L.A. and the surrounding areas than people think, which is very exciting. We're talking about Denver. I have a lot of questions. Obviously, we have a mutual friend, which is really exciting, so I got a

kind of really, really awful dirt on you that we can get into. But you mentioned, like, Denver was, you know, kind of the first D1 scholarship that came your way. Was it a no-brainer for you to be like, I'm going to college, I want to play college hockey? Or did you kind of have a conversation with your parents and debate that a little bit? Not really. I think it was, like, like, you got a D1 offer. I thought that was, like, the coolest thing in the world. If you walk on D.U.'s campus, you're like, this place is beautiful. It's just like, gold pillars. Yeah. I mean, you guys are familiar with BC. It's kind of like that where it's like, you know, good architecture. Yeah.

all that kind of stuff. School was good school, all that. And then they had just such a good hockey history. I know, like, Bo Bennett was around here who played and Zucker, and, like, so many guys, like West Coast guys had gone there. So that was a cool place to go. So, again, I'm going to keep prying at you. You've mentioned a couple times, like,

the NHL was never really the ultimate goal. That's not why you started playing hockey. But you get drafted in the USHL, you go to D.U. you don't get drafted to the NHL. Did that phase you at all? Or was this still just like, did you have that mentality

of this is just a day by day thing? I'm going to play. There must have been some like, what the fuck. Oh yeah, so like at that point. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like at that point, you were bawling out.

Yeah, like, when I played in the USHL and like I was like seeing guys get drafted I was in the league with, which I didn't. And you're like, I don't know about that. But like you're playing like, I'm here to say I do know about that

because you were out playing a lot of guys who were getting drafted. So there's, got to be that question. It's like, what the fuck? Like, I got a shot here. Yeah, I don't know. I think like I said, when I was in the NHL, I was playing against guys who I thought that I was on par with,

you know, and I got Denver. I think it was the All-American year where I was like that sucks, not getting drafted that year, because I felt like I was had a really good year. I was surprised being all-American honestly, but at that point it was like I thought a team would take a shot on me in the seventh round or something. You led the conference and scoring, I think.

Yeah, I was surprised you weren't first team. Like that was a monster. Well, we had, that was a really good conference. Yeah, that's actually fair. Yeah, like that was, I think we had, like, Jake Gensel was ripping it up. And I think, was that the year that they had the North Dakota, Cajula, Bethler, and Schmaltz? Or was that the following year. That was the following year.

That was the following year. That might have my junior. It was your junior. It was just like, there was just so many good players. So, yeah, once I was an All-American, I was kind of, like, you know, kind of thought I should have been drafted. Yeah, exactly. Of course. So while you're there, I mean, you meet your wife.

in college you obviously meet a ton of friends like what give give us your you know kind of overarching experience at Denver both both just like playing and then also just being there yeah such a fun school it was unbelievable nothing against like going major junior or anything like that but I wouldn't trade my college experience in for the world and we hear that from a lot of guys yeah that did the college route like I would encourage everyone to go to go play college um man it's just so fun you guys went to college like it's like you have in college hockey or college sports you have like the athletic side of it, but then you also have the, you get to be a person. You go to tailgates and you get to, you know, go to the bars and go to the library.

And so you have just have such a well-rounded experience instead of going, again, nothing against Major Junior, but you go over there and you play 80 games. And it's like, that's super fun. And that's really cool. You get to play pro hockey at young age, but you don't get the full life experience that you would get. Yeah, for sure not. No libraries in Major Junior. No libraries, yeah.

You're reading Twitter. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anything other than that. I've been told I mean I need the story from you because I've been given zero context but Danny told me to ask about something with you

and goldfish in college what is this story? I can't this is a story you can't tell I can't tell that I can't tell that it doesn't even doesn't even have anything to do with me but I can't tell that story okay that's fire

I'm getting this off the air I need the answer right now though are we talking the snack or a living goldfish. We'll go with the snack. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. I expected living once you said you couldn't tell the story. I was like, oh man, something dark out. We can't get on the horn here, so we're just going to say, you know.

Yeah. Okay. Snack, snack, snack. Fair. And then the other one is, and he's not even sure if you remember this. He asked me to ask you what happened to your five iron when you guys were golfing in Denver. Do you remember this story? I don't remember it. I probably smashed it. Okay. I was good at that. He was telling me he was a nightmare on the course as a young, as a young. Oh, really?

Yeah. It's continued. competitive man you know dude i mean you're talking to a guy who has put multiple irons in trees yeah i've seen it i've seen a rifle a club it's unbelievable and danny is so frustrating because you golf with him or do anything with him and he's like oh we're out here golfing you know and then he would like take money off me and it gets so mad you yeah yeah is he a stick he's pretty good yeah he he doesn't hit driver but i know yeah yeah they just like four iron off the tea yeah it's so frustrating to lose that guy yeah but it's like 280 he's like 280 he's down the dick and I'm like so annoying.

Hit your iron all day, buddy. Jesus Christ. Do you have any, are there any both on the team and then just like on campus? Fun memory stories. Yeah, yeah. What's a Denver story you can tell? You guys had fun there. I'm going to do my best to not rush through this podcast so I can get the goldfish story.

Yeah. I don't even remember it. It wasn't me though. I want that on the record. It wasn't me. I was there. Fun Denver stories. I mean, there's obviously like a ton of hockey.

ones and like obviously a lot of them that you can't yeah it's like a lot of like where were you living like did you guys have a sick house yeah yeah we had a fun house we had um so danny's house was the rich house yeah yeah and then we were the poor house right next door so um so parties at his yeah actually maybe parties at yours because they could trash it yeah probably both but uh so yeah we just had everyone living together and stuff and and we would we'd you know just have fun i think the most fun thing about the going to Denver was we didn't uh fly private like a lot of the big Oh, sure. We would charter.

I mean, obviously, you want to fly private. So we would go to different campuses, and then it was like Saturday night in Miami of Ohio, you know, like we're going to go check out the scene out here. Because we wouldn't fly until the next day. Because we wouldn't fly until the next morning, so it was like bus at five. Oh, yeah, that's way more fun.

Dude, when you were like, it was more fun flying, not private, I was like, what the fuck you're talking about? But that actually is a massive perk. Yeah, it wasn't all the time, but it was like sometimes you're like, you know, let's go have a good night at a different college. You got to go experience different places. A lot of Danny stories from,

from those times. What was the best in conference school to have a Saturday night at? Miami, Ohio. Oh, really? Yeah. Really? Why is that?

I don't know. It's just fun. They just ripped it up. There you go. You can't do in Ohio. Roof it up. Aside from that, was there a barn, not your own that you guys love playing in the most?

Like, where did you like going to to play the most? North Dakota special. Really? Yeah. Just the vibes, like all the fans and all that? It's just like an NHL building. Yeah, exactly. And like the, you get there and the fans are already up there.

They're watching, like, something on the TV, like highlights, basically. And they're all just like, it's a packed building before warms even started. It's the coolest thing ever. That's so fun. I mean, there's so many great hockey schools around the country, but I love a school like North Dakota that's like, what the hell else is going on? They probably tailgate it. Like, I bet they tailgate the hockey games. Like, it's just most of the zoo in the parking lot.

For sure, yeah. And, I mean, they were a rival. So I don't think there's much to do there. So it was like hockey was their thing. Especially when you guys were in town because they were like, fuck these guys. Yeah, we had a good. We had a good rivalry. Yeah.

I mean, junior. year, dude. Fucking brutal. Yeah, we'll get to it. Yeah, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. One thing that we really wanted to ask, especially after this year, was playing with Monty.

Yes, that's right. Got a crazy story, obviously. We had a chance to get to know him this year. Incredible guy. We saw a couple articles where you said, you know, some of the things he said to you and changed about your game are the reason you're in the NHL and where you are today. So just tell us a little bit about him and, you know, what it was like being a player for him and what he did for you in your career.

Yeah, Monty was the best. He was the most important coach in my career. Really? Hands down, yeah, hands down. I mean, just like the development that, you know, maybe I didn't get drafted in the Ushel because I was a shinny player, you know, and like, Monty took me in college and he was like, hey, you know, you're not good when you're doing this.

You're doing this. Like, he was very straightforward. See, this sucks. You suck when you do this. And then he would tell me, you know. And I think he turned me into a lot of what I am today as hockey player. On those flights, it would be more in Montgomery. So we would fly together on every flight.

So it was kind of fun to sit there and talk hockey with him and hear like his game plan stuff. And I feel like you just pick that guy's brain. He's got such a good of wealth and knowledge about hockey. So it was cool. When he got scooped by the Bruins, did you have a feeling like things were going to go well and he was going to do well there? Yeah, I think that everywhere he's gone. He's been so good, right?

He really doesn't have a bad year on his resume. Every team he's at just so well. When he was in St. Louis, I think they were leading power play percentage. You know, and it was like that was all him. I mean, he's just, he's a smart guy. What was it specifically about your game that he helped out the most with? Like, you call him the most important coach in your career. Like, that's a huge accolade to give someone.

Yeah, I think it was just identifying when I was playing well, what I was doing, and when I was not playing well, what I was doing. And it was a lot of, like, you know, I think the hardest thing about going from, like, somewhere to the NHL is just the compete level and all that kind of stuff. And he really brought that out of me where it was, you know, body position, winning stick battles, things that I think that I'm good at now that's got me here. Yeah, dude, it must be crazy, because you're a competitive guy. We're competitive guys.

It must be crazy when you keep leveling up, seeing coaches being like, you're not competing hard enough. Because in my mind, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I want to fucking win so bad. Of course I'm competing hard enough. And they're like, but you're not. Like, look at this other gear you have. And you're like, oh, yeah, fuck. Right.

And I think with Monty, it wasn't just like an effort thing. It was like, you can do this better. Yeah. And like, you're working harder, not like smarter. Yeah, yeah. So I think that was. That is such an, like, it's interesting when a coach, too, comes to you and is like, hey, you know, stop doing this so much. I'm focusing on this part of your game and let's shift it to this area.

Maybe it's the penalty kill. Maybe it's your forecheck. And it sounds so alien to you and then you do it and you see how much more effective you are. And you're like, fuck and hey, yeah, like, you're so right about that. Yeah. And it's like hard conversation to have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you get the results of it, you're like, yeah.

Yeah, you know, you're appreciative. Chris, see how you're on the far blue line, the whole game? We need you back in the corner, and I'm like, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, I guess I can see. We had Chely O'S on, and he said, he doesn't call it cherry picking. He calls it anticipating. Oh, yeah. You can something you can anticipate.

And I was like, oh, I like this. I'm an anticipator. Okay, I want to talk about leaving Denver. I wrote this time, I think I can remember it. So you guys, you had a pretty fun, like, you had that unique, like, you guys got better every year, right? So actually, you're a freshman year. You guys won, you won the conference, actually, after like, a mediocre, regular

season, but then bounced by BC, I think, in the first round of the NCAAs. Second year, I think you win the third place game in the conference, beat BC, and then lose to Providence who fucking wins the whole goddamn thing. Junior year, you guys are nasty, win the third place game again, go to the Frozen Four finally, lose to fucking North Dakota, who wins the whole fucking thing. So, does this fun for you? Obviously, obviously. So I'm not framing this as I like, explain to me why.

obviously you're taking that five-mill ticket free agent deal well that's on the paper yeah yeah yeah but I'm saying obviously the fucking original six leifes come calling with a five mill on the paper yeah we out dude like no brainer but of course you guys go on to win fucking or Denver goes on to win fucking everything conference Natty the whole works your senior year so I'm not saying why did you leave because obviously you left lifelong green to make it to the NHL you never know when that free agent deal is coming all good Leave the place better.

Yeah, fair. Foundation. But what was that like? You know, like obviously you were happy, you're good, but like was that crazy just watching the boys win everything? And you're like, God damn it. Yeah, it was crazy because I knew all those guys there obviously. And I was like going back to school, like I was going to come back. So I knew like all the freshmen and getting to know everyone was pretty cool.

And then they just go on to win the whole thing. And it was weird because Monty actually told me, I don't know if this is a private conversation. But he told me, don't sign there. He said it's a bad. He said it's a bad spot for you. Really? Well, wait, before you continue,

because this is, I'm so excited to get that. Let him continue on this. Well, just because I had read something where you said, you were like, he was nothing but supportive,

he was encouraging. So was that just like for the press? No, so he was, he said, I don't think this is the right move for you right now. He said to come back for your senior year,

we're going to have a really good team. And he was right about everything because he was a super smart guy. And then once I signed, I went back in his office and I told him, he was the first person I told, and I was expecting him to be like,

that's a mistake and he was like you're going to be great I'm so proud of you like all that kind of stuff so he was supportive in that way but I think that it was like that you know he thought he was giving tell me what was best for me and I think the hardest part about them winning the natty was not that they won because I was so happy for them it was just the fact that like I came out of school and then basically I was like in the fourth line in the HL yeah you know like I was like grinding that whole year and then it got way better as the year went on, but it was, it wasn't the right spot for me to sign. And they had, you look at, they had Matthews and Marner and Nylander and Conner and Nealander and Connor Brown and Zach Hyman and all

those guys were just coming to their own right there. And it was like, if I had looked at it and said, like, there's really no room. Um, you know, that's probably would have been the right move to stay. Yeah. But in saying that, you don't know. I can come back and get hurt. I, like I said, I never thought I could assign an initial contract. I got the NHL contract. I have no regrets about it. Playing in Toronto was one of the best things. Yeah. You know, I love that city. It was so fun. But, you know, if you look at it from with a time machine, maybe it was probably, sure. Maybe I could have gotten to-Dage all that. Did you have, was that was the Leafs the only offer, the only free agent offer you had coming out of junior year?

Yeah, because I went to their development camp. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Because that's tricky, right? Because it's like you could get hurt like you said, but also it's not like there's 15 teams banging down your door and you're like, I'm obviously getting an offer next year. You know, you have this one thing. So it's like, dude, this has been my dream for a long time, fucking take it a lead. Right. And it was like that was my shot and no regrets about it at all.

But yeah, like you said, it was a- They got to get you a ring or something. It's some bullshit. When Monty had the conversation where he was like, I don't think this is the right move, was it all about fit or was it anything to do with- No, it was fit. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it was fit.

He was like, he told me, he was like, I think you're, I think you can play in the NHL tomorrow, but it's, you know, it's about. Yeah, there's a log jam at that team for sure. Totally. And like, you look at some rosters and it's like, some rosters are more obviously easy to crack. And then I got there. and it was like, yeah, just a ton of good players.

That is fast and what a cool guy. Did that throw you at all? Like were you like, I'm going for sure. Then Monty said that and you're like, fucking Christ. Or were you like, no, I'm pretty locked in? No, I was kind of going to him for guidance. But then at the end of the day, it was just like, you know,

like I said, I never thought to get there. That's a dream. Do you talk to him still? Here and there. Yeah, and we go to Boston and stuff. Yeah, that's cool. I feel like I would, based on everything you've said, I feel like I would hit that guy up all the time.

I'd be like, dude, I'm in a, a suit shop and I'm buying a suit for a wedding. One color should I get. The guy has just got nothing but a wealth of knowledge at all times. Well, I think really highly Monty. I don't know exactly what he thinks of me. Oh, dude, it sounds like he loves you.

Yeah. Monti's unbelievable. Do you subscribe it all to the, you know, losing fucking sucks. It's always terrible. But kind of awesome that back-to-back of years you lose to the champ. Does that make it feel better for you at all? Or are you like, fuck, no, I just hate losing. Oh, that sucked. Yeah.

That's my guy right there. Because I've told you I hate that. I'm like, I hate losing to that to anyone. It doesn't matter if they go on to win. It just, at the end of the day, we lost. I usually want them to lose, too. Like, I want them to be as upset as I am. So I'm like, fuck.

Yeah, for sure. And like the year we lost to Providence, it was like, well, if we beat them, you know, like we could have gone all the way. And like, we had like a penalty that was just kind of crazy. We got a five minute. And then they went on to score, like two goals or something like that. And then that was it, you know? Dude, our boy that I went to Duke with,

who's buddies with Danny, who grew up with Danny. We do this, me, him and my boy and another money, my Minnesota buddies do a NCAA bracket challenge every year of the four of us. Yeah. And the winner gets a free burrito from Chipotle or Codobo, whichever you want, from everyone. And what's funny is the Minnesota kid just picks whatever Minnesota team is good to win it every year. We pick the Boston team to win it and party picks the fuck picks dead forever.

So, oh yeah, you picked Michigan. Yeah, I always pick the Boston party, he picks Denver. So I remember you guys wanted that year. And he was like, fucking burritos, baby. I was like, you fuck you, dude. That's awesome. So, yeah, it was a good time. Talk to me about Toronto.

I mean, crazy city, crazy organization. You obviously go, like you said, you're kind of buried in the H. What was your experience in that city and organization like? Because it is, by all accounts, you know, one of the hardest markets to play in. It's a crazy world. And then you obviously went through that. you know, you go from being a star in the USHL, star in NCAA, now you're here, and you kind of got to change your game.

You kind of got to figure out how you're going to fit and get the call up. So, like, how did that go for? You had a pretty powerful quote, I thought, that was like, you can either be a power play guy in the NHL or you can fucking kill penalties. Ah, sorry, AHL or kill penalties in the national. And, like, you've got to make that decision what you want to do. Was that my exact quote? Yeah.

Oh, wow. Pretty smart, smart quote for a guy. Well, no, I think that, like, some guys can be power play guys in the national. HL. I couldn't. But I'd love Toronto. I thought that it was like such a fun city. Um, playing in the HL was cool. And in that city too, I think that a lot of places, it's like, pretty awesome that you're still there in the other. I think that's one of the coolest things about the Marley's. Totally. And people cared. You know, like the fans cared. Like we won the Calder Cup. It was, it was nuts. Yeah, that's sick. It was really, really cool. Um, sorry, where was that?

What were you talking? Just like, what the experience was like playing in that city and like, oh, yeah. I mean, dude, I think. it's such a good point what Monty said and then obviously you dealt with when you got there is like when you're playing in that team and you're looking up at the stars that are on that team and they're all so young. It's like

there's such an element of you know it's like we talked to guys who played for you know the Red Wings six or so years ago and it's guys like Dotsuk and Zetterberg on the way out and it's like all right cool like there's an opening here but it's like you're a young guy and you're Ford and you get into that Maple Leafs team it's like I feel like you look

at that you're like where the fuck do I fit in I mean, that's a huge element. Yeah, and I think that I looked at a guy like, like I've said before too, but like Hyman and Connor Brown, and they were like, they were kind of in the same boat where they were super good players in their own right. But, you know, you had those young guys who were high talent that were going to be on the power play no matter what. And both those guys, I think they'd killed penalties before, but I'd never killed the penalty before, really. Like in college, I didn't really kill any penalties. Yeah, you find me on the bench.

Yeah, I was like, you know, I got to figure out a way to kind of differentiate myself. And I wanted to kill penalties in the minors. And Sheldon Keith was another coach that I think was. really important for me and he was he loves you too dude yeah yeah he's he's a great guy and he he helped me a ton um especially that kind of stuff I mean we we had those conversations about like like where do you fit in the organization how are you going to get there and stuff like that so um yeah I mean I think it was it helped me a lot because now I can kill penalties anywhere and now I'm you know I'm getting back on the power play and all that kind of stuff and it's uh you have a

well-rounded game so in your first year you get into the playoffs and you're playing against the beast which went well for us sorry sorry not well for you guys but what was that like being in your first year and playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs in the Stanley Cup playoffs against the Boston Bruins like was that an out-of-body experience completely out-of-body yeah didn't feel your legs for the entire six minutes I played like it was it was so cool um it was just like going because we were there right they were they were the higher seed right yeah yeah yeah and it was like that building is insane yes like insane it's a lot like Edmonton but it's like so

fun and just you don't feel anything. You're just out there flying around and it's a good time. You had a monster moment in that series. Do you know what I'm talking about? What the hit? Game one. Dude, in your six minutes, game one? You literally bundled the biggest player in any of us. Jesus Christ, I thought you killed him.

Yeah, like I said, I was playing six minutes a night. I was flying around. I hit him and I didn't even really know that like, I saw him fall, but I was like, oh, crazy. And then I was like, go back to the bench and no one said a word to me. I was like expecting what? I was expecting my good hit or something like that. No one said a word to me.

And then I was like, all right. And then I go back out there and like no one's like challenging me or anything. So I'm like, like, I feel like I didn't happen. And then leave the game. No one says a word to me. And then I get home and my cousin like text me and he was like, saw somebody on like Reddit or Twitter or something. And he sent me a video. It looked like someone filmed their iPhone, probably isocamming.

Yeah, yeah. Like Chara. Yeah. And then he was like, was this tonight? And I was like, yeah, crazy. Yeah, fucking buried Big Z dude. That is insane. How did no one say anything to you on the bench?

No one saw it. I think there was like no one on planet Earth saw it. Maybe it was late hit, but... No, it was not, dude. Like that, I remember being aghast at that play. Yeah. Watching it live. I was like, holy shit.

Oh, so you saw it live? Oh, yeah. Because like, the next day I come in the locker room, the next day I come in the locker room and like Babs calls me in the coach's office, I think I'm in trouble. And they were like replaying it. They were like, when did this happen? Dude, you crinkled him.

It was unbelievable. Like, I was watching it and I remember audibly gasping. And I was like, holy shit, what just happened? And it was a clean hit. and I just don't understand. I don't understand the physics of how you did what you did to that guy. Yeah, I mean, I think I caught him a little bit off guard. And he, like, we were going through the handshake line after.

And he, like, his big hand grabbed me and he, like, pulled me in. And he was like, good hit. I thought you were going to say he gave you a hard time. I was about to have issues. No, no, he was like, good hit. And I was like, oh, uh, sorry. No, I was like, sorry. And he's like, don't ever say sorry.

That's after game seven. Like, this hit was in game one. Yeah. Seven games later. he's like, nice hit, dude. He's a cool guy. Yeah, that's fucking awesome. Love that he clocks that.

Same, dude. He was like, bro. Yo, I guess they didn't see it, so I'll give him a pass. But I got some words with your boys in Toronto. Because I need, that should have fired the team up big time. No, I mean, I think the puck was just kind of gone and they had like everyone shifted. So it was just kind of funny, you know? Holy shit, dude.

And then one thing I wanted to ask you to you, because you kind of just said it, but I thought it was awesome, is I feel like you see, for the people for the casuals, like, Brian. Admitted casual. It's like you see these guys, these fourth line guys, like Sean Thornton was like a big fourth liner for the B's, you know, and they were winning the cup that in 2011 and whatever. And you kind of forget that he was probably like the leading score on his midget team. You know, like these guys were sick and then you change your game, right? And I had always viewed it as a non-casual.

I had always viewed it like, yeah, you make this decision to change your game to extend your career and get into the National Hockey League. And then that's it forever. but I really like what you said and I read an article that you made a comment about this too where it's like well no it gets your foot in the door

like I was a power play guy was a score goal score I'm a penalty killer now and if I do well enough like you led the league in shorties two years ago which is sick pretty sick and then

you worry of that then you start earning yeah yeah you know he's got a fucking plaque on the whole then you start earning some power play time you know what I mean

like it's not like you just that goes away you just get your foot in the door do your job and then you can start doing the stuff that you've always done in your whole life. I think that's just a really great message and you have been a great example of it.

Thank you. Yeah, and like, there's going to be guys obviously who come out of wherever they've played and come right in the league and they're like power play guys. But it's really like a small percentage. And I've tried to tell, you know, younger guys just be like, you just got to get your foot in the door and you got to earn the coach's trust.

Because if you earn the coach's trust, it's like the most important thing, right? They can put you on there in any situation. If there's an injury in the middle of the game and someone is hurt in the second line, it's like, well, you get the opportunity because he knows that you can play against the other team's best players. So I think that's a, it's been a super important thing.

Yeah, dude, having the puck, having some ozone puck possession when the other team's best land is on the ice is a big moment. Totally. Okay, so then you end up in the Kings, dude. Your fucking hometown team, it's the literal, oh. And I got to ask, so talk to us about the night you got traded. So we heard, yeah, you're in New York. Yeah.

You get traded from Toronto to L.A. Take us on a ride. What happened? Yeah, I mean, who were you with and what was going on? We were actually having a mentor's trip. So a mentor's trip that ended up just kind of being like a buddy's trip. Some guys brought like mentors and stuff, but a lot of guys just ended up bringing like buddies and so we're all like that means like literally find a guy who's your mentor and we're all going on a trip together. Yeah, it's like a father's trip.

So you're with Monty, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. No, so I brought my brother-in-law. I was like kind of a good way to, you know, like that would be fun. I knew it's some other some other guys that were coming. and had buddies and stuff, so I thought he would have a good time.

It's like all the boys in like 80-year-old dudes and dressed got his brother of Isaac. Sorry, we're going to get bundled. Yeah. So, yeah, so I went to the game and get undressed and they call me in and Kyle tells me, you know, you've been traded L.A., which was, you know, five minutes later,

I was like pretty excited about it. Going home was really cool. But in the moment, it was just kind of a shocking thing. So, wait, wait, who told you? Dube's. Okay, all right, all right, good. So it was in person, because I feel like sometimes these things happen

on the phone. Toph was telling us, like he's at a team dinner. He gets a call and he was like, oh shit, all right. Yeah. That's a crazy one. Yeah.

But yeah, so I get done with that. And I come out and my mentor, my brother-in-law is, I mean, he's drunk. Like, he's in New York City for the week. You know, he's an MSG. So I have to like tell him like, hey,

I got traded. And he's like, he's like, fired up. And I was like, but you have to go back to Toronto. the team plane because that's where you're flying out of and then he's like oh hell no dude i'm staying here like we're not i'm not getting on that plane all that kind of stuff and i was like no no you have to get on that plane please don't say anything to anyone like don't like don't like don't go up to the gm like all that kind of stuff um wait wait wait hold why did you make him get on the plane well that was just where his flight was coming was going out of like in l a so wait you were flying to l a he's

from l a no i was i was staying i was staying in new york because the kings had it road trip in New York. Okay. Oh, got it. So I was like, I was like, you can come back to the hotel with me, but then we have to get you a flight out and I'm already just like, maybe it was a bad decision, but I was just like, they told, they said that he had a whole shit with him. Yeah, yeah. Dude, that was a, that's a crazy decision. You should have just let it. No, no, okay. So so his stuff was on the bus, to be fair. Okay. Okay. That's a little different. That's a little different. Maybe, maybe this was my bad. Maybe this is the my bad situation. To be fair, this is not your, I mean, like, there must have been so much going on in your head there. I would have been like,

I don't know what to do. He should have just been like, no way. I'm staying here. There was a lot going on. I was talking to my now wife. She was in Toronto. She was trying to figure out everything. And my parents. So anyway,

probably a bad decision by me. So I got to send him on the plane back to Toronto. So he had to fly back to Toronto to then fly back to L.A. To then fly back to L.A. Yeah. And then so I get it in the car and they're like, what bag is yours? Like suitcase.

I was like, it's a black bag with like a green tag on it. And so they throw it in the car and I don't look. I'm just like, whatever. And I get to the hotel. And I look at the bag and I was like, that's not my bag. And I had... Someone's fired?

No, it's not their fault. I mean, it was like really close. That's definitely their fault. Again, I should have looked. Like, I guess, I guess. I don't know. And, yes, I had someone's grandpa's bag. Oh, it wasn't even a guy.

No. It was one of the mentors. It was one of the mentors, yeah. No. Yeah. Oh, my God. Incredible. Did you open it?

I open it? Yeah. Yeah, open it. Well, I was like, I was like, please be my stuff. Like, I was like, yeah. I was trying to wish hard enough to become my own clothes. I don't even know what my own bag was like yeah. Yeah, and then so the next day I think we had practice or something.

So it was like street clothes. You don't wear suit to practice, right? So I wake up super early and then I run over to like the closest store in New York. I grab like under armor and I just like grab stuff off the rack and it is skin tight. I'm like, what am I doing? So I go meet everyone on L.A. and like a wetsuit and it was, uh, yeah. Dude, I wanted you to just show up. You had to use the grandpa's bag. You're using corduroy pants, fucking suspenders in like huge glasses.

He's like, I'm sorry. It's all I got. Listen. What can you do? Wow, dude. How did you get that sorted out? I mean, they eventually sent me the bag, but I had to go shopping again, like after practice. Yeah, for sure.

Well, think about the grandpa, dude. He had to go shopping. You really fucked in. I know. Yeah. Unbelievable. So were you, how many days? I mean, you find out you get traded.

Were you playing, like, the next day or was it a couple days later? No, I didn't play the next, the next game. Okay. Yeah, I played. I finished a road trip there the last couple games. Okay. So, insane. So we, I wanted to ask you about this, because we've had a couple of

couple guys come on who have idolized some players in the league that end up being their GM you know like sack kick or Eisenman or whatever you know like oh my god I love you have my post on my wall and now you're my GM and obviously I know I know you like Luke Robitai who's your president now but what was it like kind of growing up cheering for idolizing like copatar quickie brownie like these guys that you doubtie like you now just on you find yourself on the team with them. Like, let alone they're my G. I'm like, I'm on the ice with these boys. Yeah. What was that like? It was really cool. Um, obviously like I saw Blakey first and yeah, it was super cool, super intimidating, but um, he's a super nice guy. Uh, and then practicing

the next day with Copey and Dewey and all those guys. Yeah. Like carts is just, it was super, super cool and also just like kind of get to know them, right? Like, it's cool. One thing to be on the ice with them to be on their team, but just get to know them off the ice and, and hang out with them as neat. Is there any element of it that's like, weird making the first mood being like, what's up, dude? Yeah, hey, what's up? I'm Trevor.

You just like, can't have that in your head. You just go with the flow and just become boys. Yeah, I mean, especially like Dewey. Yeah. Is that who you're most nervous to meet? No, but Dewee would be the one guy who's like, you know, like he was like, what numbers we were growing up? And I was like eight.

Yeah, he was like, oh, is that because of me? I was like, no, it wasn't because of you. Fuck you, Dewey. First night I met Dewey, he was pouring tequila. shots through the gap in his missing teeth. It was pretty awesome. I don't remember much. Yeah, yeah, that was about our last movie.

What I'll say. God, what an unbelievable guy. He's the best. How quickly before, after you found out the news, obviously, like, that's a shell shocking thing. You got to call your wife, you've got to figure all the logistics. How quickly were you like, this is sick? Like, I just got traded to the Kings.

Pretty quick. Yeah. Like when I got down, touched down in the airport, it was like warm and it's weird. it was like you're going home for summer, you know, except I guess you get that. Dude, I totally get that. Yeah. It was sweet. And the organization is just so great. It's so great. It's like, like you said, all the pieces like Blakey and Luke and everyone involved. I feel like everyone is so nice and then also a legend in their own right. And it's like, how are you that legendary for this, not just in the NHL, but for this organization too. And then you're also an incredible person. And it's like the more we get to know people in the team too. It's like, Cope is unbelievable. Doey's unbelievable. Quickie and Brownie were unbelievable. It's like, good Lord.

It's just remarkable how good the organization is from top to bottom. It is crazy. I know we talked about a little bit before, but it's like everyone. Like everyone, the media guys. Like everyone is just so nice and so like professional. And then all the leaders, obviously.

Like I don't know of a lot of teams that have leaders like the kings have had. It's out of this world. Yeah. Dude, I don't give shit how you felt. How did Monique feel leaving Toronto to go back to L.A.? She was, I mean, she was excited. She loved Toronto too. Oh, really?

Okay, I love that. Where's money from originally? Colorado. Okay, all right. Yeah. But I mean, Toronto has all the food and everything. And, like, it's just, it's a cool, it's a cool place to live. And also, it's like, she has so many good friends there, like I did.

But I'm more like it's hockey. I understand this is part of the business. But it's hard on the wives. You know, it's hard on the wives to pick up and move. And she had to, I got to just keep playing hockey. And she had to pack up everything and with our dog and everything and come out. So now, I mean, now she wouldn't change anything. to the world. She loves L.A., and it's been the best, but...

That's huge. I feel like a lot of the listeners and a lot of the fans are always super curious about the things that you guys go through during the season, and then also during the off season. And I'm curious about, what's it like? I mean, obviously, you're in a unique situation where I imagine your family is still close by, and you're in a great place during the summer. It's not like a place where you're like, I've got to get out of here.

So you've got all these great friends on the team, And then a huge thing happens like the PLD trade. So what does that feel like in the offseason when you're trying to unwind, take some time off, and then you have this huge player that's coming in. But on top of that, you're also saying goodbye to like three, I imagine, great friends. You know, it's like, what are all the emotions and then all the moving pieces when something like that happens? Yeah, it's hard. Like I said, it's part of hockey, but it sucks.

Like, you guys know AI. Like, he's one of the best people around it. Most interesting man in the world. Yeah, he's the most interesting man in the world. the world and we love having our team Gabe same thing Kup like they were great guys but that's the business and I think that you know PLD we met him the other day super nice guy competitive dude he's gonna help our team a lot I think it makes us super deep having him Phil and Copee so dude three best

sentence it's unbelievable yeah actually down the middle in the league yeah totally so I think that I you know I think it's a good move I think that it sucks letting those guys go but I That's just part of it. That's the business. Yeah, yeah. No doubt, no doubt. It's, like, do you guys have a,

this is such a morbid way to look at it, but I'm always curious, is there like a team group chat? And, like, do you just kick out the guys and out of PLD? Like, what do it happens? Yeah. Literally, yeah.

Yeah, I think that's like I think the answer is yes. I don't, I don't do that. Like, I don't facilitate who's in and out of group chat, so I don't really know when that happens because I'm, like, I still get AI Snapchats and like. Yeah, yeah. or like whatever in the attacks or whatever.

So, um, AI snaps must be so lit, dude. They're awesome. On a beach in Mexico. Exactly. Yeah. They're awesome. Yeah.

I wonder whose job. It's got to be Kobe's job, I guess. Probably Edge. Edge does it. Yeah. You have like a team admin who just handles the group chat. Like you're out. You're right.

All right. Okay. That's a good question. Oh, my God. That's so funny. Um, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to give you a mixed sports metaphor here because I think you'll help me get my point across. We're from Boston area, right?

when LeBron got to the NBA and he was like this promised dude and he's like the best prospect since Jordan or whatever and he gets to the league and is sick everything everyone said as like a total neutral I was like this this is sick this guy's the fucking man like all the pressure in the world and he's this good

it's fucking awesome and I love him I'm rooting for him then the Celtics got kind of good got KG and got good and we just started playing LeBron all the time and then I was like this fuck LeBron I fucking hate this guy I hope he loses everything And it was solely based on just like

I just had to go against him. You know, if I was a fucking Wizards fan, I'd probably like LeBron, but I just don't because I had to play him all time. Is there anything to a guy like Connor McDavid gets in the league and I'm sure there's, I'm sure there's some jealousy

because we all have jealousy about that kid, but I'm sure there's some like just admiring and respecting from afar. Like, damn, that kid's nasty. This is sick. It's good for the game. I'm rooting for him. But then you have to fucking play him

every goddamn year. Are you like, I fucking hate this guy? Oh, like, what's the emotion there where you just kind of like run into this buzz saw all the time? No, I definitely don't hate him. I think. But you might. You might. No, I don't hate him.

He's like a, when he's on the ice, he just, he's so, like, professional. He just keeps to himself and he's out there. He's not, like, running his mouth. Never. I mean, so much respect for him. Does it suck playing against them? Like, yeah, like, it's really hard, but it's also such a cool challenge. Yeah.

Like, you get to play against the best player in the world and, you know, maybe the best to ever do it, like, telling the, I don't know. Yeah, things about it's true. Yeah. So it's like a super cool, you know, privilege almost to be out there and try to try your best to shut him down. And it's an impossible task. But you can do your best. And I think that, you know, that's fun.

Are there those moments on the ice when you're going up against him and watching what he's doing? And you're like, how the fuck is he doing this? Because it feels like that to me. It's like, I mean, he does stuff truly just as a fan watching. And I'm like, I don't know how you stop that. Like, there's a couple times where he does stuff that does not make sense. It doesn't make sense. and, you know, it's cool.

It's good for the game. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing. You know, it's, every team has tough competition, wherever you are. And it's, he's a unique challenge because it's not just, he plays all up and down the lineup the entire game. The guy can go forever, right? Yeah. So it's, you know, it's unique, it's pretty cool.

But you guys, I mean, especially your line gets that task, gets that job a lot, you know? Yeah. And you guys held your own. We were, you know, because we always had your playoff games and everything. And our parents were here two years ago, right? It wasn't this year. two years ago they were here for a playoff game so we brought them game one we're like up in sweet fucking you guys kind of light show going everything and you know our dad loves hockey my mom

loves hockey too but loves watching us play hockey more than watching pro hockey which is not very fun yeah so she's like uh you know who's who's good on this team and I'm like uh you know the the oilers get two guys like these guys and it was like literally first shift like McDavid and dress that were like bang two and one goal and she was like them and I was like yeah they're pretty good yeah but no I hear you it's it's um it's great for hockey but it's like and I actually think well actually let me get your opinion on this is there the if you're gonna

if you're gonna do it if you guys are gonna win the whole thing do you want to go through them to like to earn that or you're like no I hope they fucking lose and I can I can go around I mean it's I don't really care who we play honestly but like but I'm not

no one in our locker room is sitting there like oh we hope we don't have to play Edmonton like we're like we love that challenge yeah you guys are fucking ready dude I said I said that I was like I don't think you guys got so hot last year at the end of the season yeah and when you're looking at matchups I was like, I don't think they give a shit who they play.

It's like, you guys are so good. Yeah. And at the end of the day, every series is hard. I mean, look at how this last, I mean, Seattle beat in Colorado, Florida beat in Boston. It's like, shit happens, man. So it's like you just go into any series and just get your teeth. Yeah. Totally.

Like I said, like you said, every team has tough challenges. If we were to sit there and say like, oh, we don't want to play Edmonton, it's like who are going to play Vegas? Yeah, right. Like it's not, like, it's not an easier task. Such a good point. Such a good point. Yeah. It's out of control.

Is there a team that you personally, you're like, I fucking hate playing these guys. And I mean that in a positive way. Yeah, like you're just like, there's a natural rivalry here. It always gets chippy. Like, you know when you go like, who's your North Dakota. When you lace them up against that team, you're like, this is going to be gnarly. I mean, Anaheim's always. Oh, yeah, good one.

Good one. Yeah. I think that they've been not as good the last couple of years. They're getting better. Yeah. But even still, it's like you, what do they say? You throw the stats out the window when you play those games. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You guys are coming out hard. And it's funny how, like, you just put a bunch of guys in a jersey and you're like, you know, we're going to play harder against this team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hate you guys. You know what I mean? It's kind of weird how that works without sports. It's so, I mean, it's funny. AI said that too.

He was like, it's every time we play the ducks, it's an absolute battle. And that's, I fucking love that. I love how deep-seated rivalry would never go away. It doesn't matter if one team is, is, having a terrible season or the best season of all times. Like you play each other and you go nuts against each other. Yeah, I think we played them this year. I think that was the game when Copley went down the ice.

Dude. And like the goalies are trying to go. Yeah, that's right. It's like, Copley's brand new to this team. But he's in. It's just like, this is the rivalry. And this is what it is. It's all.

Yeah, that's how he gets you guys fired up too. You know, he's like, he's the best. Yeah. Do you, obviously, I would imagine your boys with everyone on the team. But who is someone that the fans would be surprised to hear that is just like your guy on the squad. Like, who do you spend the most time with?

Gosh, I mean, it's like Matt Roy, John Walker, Cal Peterson, but they got Trades, that's why it's like, you know, yeah, tough question. I have no friends. I'm so upset.

It's us now. Yeah. We're going to fill in for you. And then Juice, who's like low-key, the coolest guy. Oh, dude. It's not low-key at all.

Yeah, Dan has such a man crush on him. My God. Yeah, I think everyone loves you. Oh, God. Oh, God. Who do you room with on the road? Oh, fuck, yeah. That's that five-year extension, baby.

I think that's a PA thing. Yeah. Who do you sit with on the plane? Play cards. No, do you like sit with? Is there like one guy that you're like, this is who I'm sitting with on the plane? I sit with juice. Yeah, so I sit with juice.

Who are the card players? We're at a card table with Roy and it's been kind of a rolling. Yeah. You're cleaning up or no? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. What are you guys playing?

We play sevens, but I taught them sevens because not I'm going to play before. Okay, I knew when I was at a play. For the whole, like that's the move. Teach everyone a game and then just whip their ass on the game. That is fucking gold. Well, when I got to the Kings, I was like, they had an open spot. So I just like, they asked if I wanted to play. And it was like Kobe, Carts and Toff.

Yeah. And they were all playing sevens. And then like Cope kind of stopped playing. And then Carlin Toff got traded. And then. And then so we had to fill the table and these guys had never played before. So we didn't pick the game. Yeah, yeah.

No, right. No, no. This is clean. This is legal. This is passed on to you. Other than putting bananas on tacos, what's the most surprising thing about juice? Probably like how goodies at video games.

Really? What games are we talking about here? All of them. Yeah, wow. Yeah, the guy games. Like, we play a lot of F1. Oh, fuck. Dude, that is a hard video game.

You play Monaco in that game. It's fucking impossible. I literally sim it every time. I do a season and I get to Monaco. Yeah, we do a lot of that. We do like a two-player career. Yeah, sick. And man, like,

Juice is a pretty chill guy, but when I'm racing him, he's like, livid. Like, he gets so mad. Ah, that pumps me out. Yeah. Me too.

Are you in on F1 other than the game? I am now. Who's your guy on the grid? My guy? Who do you like? What driver do you like? I mean, I like, Landon Norris.

Oh, that's Dan's boy, dude. Let's go. Yeah. I think that... Huge podium at Silverstone. Huge. That was unbelievable. That's awesome.

Yeah. And I think that Zach Brown's like a hockey guy, right? So it's kind of cool. That's nice. I like that. Okay. I'm going to play this game. It's called pass, shoot, score.

Essentially, it's just a ranking system. So I'm going to give you, we have a couple of different categories. I'm going to give you three things in that category. You have to rank something pass, something shoot, something score. And it goes in that order from bottom to top. So pass, getting assists are cool, but it's not that cool, you know? Shoot is second because puck's on net. Good thing.

Good things happen. Score is the best light in the lamp. So you don't hate any of these things, but you have to rank them past shoot score. Okay. First category. Cities in your hockey career. Denver, Toronto, L.A. That's so tough.

I'm going to go past Toronto. Oh, okay. I really liked it there, but, you know. Yep. Like, got a pass on that one. You got time with the other two. I get it. Yeah.

And then I'll go shoot Denver. Okay. Love Denver. Great place. Yeah. Met my wife there. Right. Good memories.

Great spot. And then I'll probably go obviously score. Score. L.A. Yeah. Okay. I got a couple follow-ups. I have one too.

Can I go first? Sure. You ever been to Mile High spirits in Denver? Yes, I think so. Have you really? Dude, we had an epic night there. Wait, where is that? Like, I have such a bad memory, but like I...

It's like, I don't think it's downtown Denver. Yeah, but it's like... Yeah, yeah. It's like an old airplane hanger. Okay. And it's like, dude. we were there for our buddy's bachelor party and we were

staying in Golden and this this guy is more of an outdoorsy guy than a bachelor party guy which is why we went to Denver so we did white water rafting we did hiking shit like that and then one night we were like let's go into Denver and actually party

and we go to this place Mile High Spirits it's truly it's an airplane hanged I'm pretty sure I've been there they only sell liquor which is why it's like mile high spirits you can't get beer so we all got destroyed and there's like cornhole outside

and I just remember being like this is the sickest bar ever and then I talked to a couple Denver locals and I was like mile high spirits the best place in the world and they're like no it's like a fucking random bar and I was like oh I'm a fucking idiot have you been there a lot like to Denver or anything no dude I've been there like one time three times in my life that's a

tough place to go drink liquor all night yeah oh dude let me tell you were probably flying and the next day you were Oh, yes, dude, exactly. You're saying the Airbnb, the guy, the owner of the Airbnb was like, yeah, you guys are all set up. It's like a 10-person spot. And then the dude was staying in his Winnebago in the driveway the entire weekend. And I was like, what the fuck?

This guy's going to murder us. That's awesome. It was ridiculous. Just burning down all the time. Okay. Which city has the best food? And that does not count your mom's big Ziti that you get while you're living here, which I need recipe for. Yeah, that's the best meal you're gonna. Yeah, it's really, really good.

How'd she pick this up? She's Italian. Okay. My grandma, yeah, my grandma. She's just in town. She, yeah, she crushes it. I know, I know. Are you a red sauce, white sauce or pink sauce? Red sauce. So you don't cross sauce? I don't cross. A.I. Cross the sauces, dude. AI crosses sauces, dude. AI crossed his sauces. I didn't freak. We also, by the way, we chirped Quicky at Media Day at the Cubs. And he, we were like, dude, AI crosses sauces. And he was like, everybody crosses. And I was like, everybody does not cross sauce. I think that's crazy. Me too.

I feel like I have to get my Italian card revoked because I don't... I completely never even heard of that. I feel like if your grandma saw you cross in sauces, she'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? I think she'd be pissed. I mean, maybe if they're both homemade or something, but like if she makes like homemade

red sauce and I go throw some bottle like... Alfredo on top. Disowned. Yeah. Okay, so next time your mom's making baked eating make sure you get me an extra Tupper or something. Done.

Yeah. Which city had the best food? Um... Sounds like Monique might have like drunk. That's what I thought you were going to say. Yeah. I think it's probably Toronto. There's just such a variety.

Like you're in a downtown area. Yeah. Just so much. But then also if you're in L.A. and you want to go down like Beverly Hills or something. Pretty sick. There's a ton of stuff.

It's just a little bit more of drive. If you could make a super city, like give me a quality from each of those three cities that you're like, hey, this is the best from each. Wow. Good question. That's a great question. Good question.

Thank you guys so much. Okay. We'll go, I guess, food from Toronto. Mm-hmm. Okay. Except for the ketchup chips. Except for the ketchup chips. Oh, yeah.

It's crazy. Yeah, that's wild. Are you too insane? They're amazing. Oh, they're fucking trash. Cetchup chips are so good. Trash. So we're all dressed chips.

Those are good. I don't like all dressed. Oh, I know. Nice. I'm waiting. You on all dressed. Cetchup is drunk. All right.

So yeah. Toronto food. Denver, I would go with, like, I guess, like, nature, but I would throw, like, venues in there. Like Red Rocks is the coolest thing ever, but it's all from nature. Dude, agree. Red Rocks is unbelievable. Yeah. Outdoor options.

Yeah. Yeah. That's good. And then lifestyle. all probably LA. Yeah. I like that. That's a good city.

That's a good city. I'm going to live there. That's beautiful. Damn. All right. Okay. Your next one. You get to have lunch and a hang with one of these three guys.

This is, you got the rank, the past shoot score, these three guys. Steph Curry, Big Ben, Zach Ephron. That's tough. I know. Are these tailored to me? Yes. Those are good.

Yeah. Hmm. God, so tough. This is lunch? Lunch and a hang. You get the whole afternoon. You get the whole day, yeah. Okay.

Probably go past Zach Ephron. Okay. Be fun. Yep. Probably go shoot Big Ben. Oh, wow. And then, yeah, I know.

Your mom is pissed right now, dude. And then score. Steph Curry. Okay. True or false, you do know still all the words, too. musical breaking free I mean probably if you're like I feel like a lot of people do I oh sure you're right you're right yeah not just you yeah not just you yeah but I believe

yeah I'm curious where you like where you guys got this homework from though like dude did you call my mom I don't reveal sources I don't reveal sources extensive research but I was told that you know every word to breaking free from high school music I mean probably not anymore but I mean you know it was a banger but it might be one of those things like when it comes on, you start singing and you're like, oh, fuck, I do you remember all the words to this? That shit happens to me all the time. Zach Efron, by the way, like, flawlessly pivoted. Yes, he did.

From, like, I'm the high school musical guy to, like, I'm a fucking stud with a 12-pack and the man. Hell of a talent. Yeah. So. Well, he went, like, rom-com for a second. Then he went comedy. Yeah, yeah.

And that worked. And then he was Ted Bundy for a group, right? Dude, you're a big Steelers guy. No, I'm shocked about the big band answer. I just think Steph Curry's so cool. He's the fucking man. He just won that golf tournament. On an eagle.

And he had a hole in one. Like, God, he's such a bucket. Like Big Ben, I'm like such a huge fan. Yeah. But, man, Steph's just. Is Big Ben? Because you're a big NFL guy though, or no? I love the one.

Yeah. So Big Ben, is he like your brave? Like, he's your guy. Like, that's, you fucking love Big Ben? Or you're just kind of like he was the quarterback of the team I like. I mean, I don't think he's Tom Brady. No, no. But he was your boy.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Steph, though. Hard to beat. Are you still dialed with the Steelers or have L.A. teams kind of taken over?

I'm still a Steelers guy, for sure. I like the Rams, but Kenny Pickett's my boy now. Oh, okay. We're going. He's the man. That's big. That's really big. That's really big.

I did not expect it from this podcast. You don't think so? Trevor Moore is like, Kenny Pickett. That's the fucking guy. You don't think so? He's the future. I mean, listen, I'm... The fake slide was one of the most lit things

ever seen in my life. I know. And going from Pitt to Pittsburgh. Fuck off. What the fuck was his name? Who did was it Miles Garrett that tried to absolutely K-O. someone? Mason Rudolph. Rudolph. Oh, dude. That was insane. Remember that? That's right. That was

crazy. That's right. But we got Kenny Pickett, though. Do you hate the Pats? No. Oh, really? I feel like that was like we were going at it pretty good for a stretch there. No, I mean, like I'm like a football fan. You know I like the Steelers, but I also just like, love, I love Tom Brady. Yeah, okay.

I love that. And they got theirs. Yeah. Oh, dude, you guys were sick. Jesus Christ. Got some rings. Totally. You know, that's great.

Okay, next one. The category is you have a day off. Okay. Going to the beach with Murphy. Going bowling with Monique, a little date night. Playing World of Warcraft with your boys. You guys are making me sound cool in this podcast, man. Thank you.

Hey, dude, World Warcraft is cool as fuck, dude. About World of Warcraft was, I was in college, having graduated, like, we've talked about. And there was a World of Warcraft writing class. And so I thought, man, this is going to be easy. You know, I get to play a game. I never played it before. I was like, we'll play it. I got, like, a D-minus in that class.

I just, like, ended up playing the game all day. It was so fun. Dude, it's too tempting. It's right there. The whole class is just making you think of World of Warcraft. Totally. When was the last time you played? College.

Dude, get back into it. Is it fun? Listen, man, I, like, I got to say it is so electric. It's unbelievable. Like, I never thought it'd be something that I was into. It is electric. Yeah. Yeah, me and my roommate would just, like, it would just melt hours.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you don't, you blink. Yeah. Actually, you know what my big thing is? And I apologize in advance to the listeners, because I know I do this a lot. Me and my boy got the Harry Potter game. Oh, really? Dude, Trev.

Fucking gas. It is. it? Oh my God. Are you a Harry Potter fan? I'm not. Even if you're, okay. I'm not, but like, dude, it is one of the best video games I've ever played. Yeah, that was one of my first video games I ever played, like, way back in the day was like a Harry Potter video game. So I feel like that was probably a good goodish game. Yeah, maybe. This one's like open world. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, oh my God. That's really cool. And that is, I, I haven't in years played a video game where I,

I blink and it's been four hours and like, here I am. I don't know why I should do that now. Yeah, yeah. What are you still did? What are you playing now? No, the F1.

Oh, F1, yeah. Fuck, the game is so lit. It's so good. It's really fun. I'm a huge fan of the F1 game, but like Dan said,

very hard. Yeah. But hold on. He's got a... Oh, yeah, got a rank. If I can remember, I'm going to go past World War Crock

because I haven't played in so long. Great game. Well, hold on. Make it play F1. Beech with... Don't change it on me. Beach with Murphy. Beach with Murphy.

Bolling with Monique, playing Aflon with the boys. I mean, just so people don't think I'm a dork, I'm like still video games pass. Fine, five. And then I'll go.

Juice is listening. Yeah, yeah, he's fucking passed, dude. I know. Yeah, and now he has the edge on you. He's the competitive edge on you. Juice has been training all the time. Yeah.

I know it. I'm going to go shoot, uh, we'll go shoot bowling with Monique because it'd be a good time. Yeah, yeah. But she would come. with me to the beach with Murphy.

Yes. And we would have a ball. Now we get the whole team. Now we get the whole family. Now I get the whole team. It's a good move. That's great. Are you good at bowling?

Not really. It's just a fun time. It's all right. It's a fun time. I read that it was a nice thing for you guys to do in Toronto and the off nights. Yeah, we had a blast. Hit some bowling. Yeah.

And like, I thought you were bringing up because my dad joined a league. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. He joined a league like a couple years ago. I think he's since retired. But that was like all of a sudden happened in my family where people were going to the bowling alley. Yeah. Yeah.

Once a week. Oh shit. What the fuck. Yeah. No. Crazy. Here's a fun question for you. Do you know what candlestick bowling is?

No. Oh, dude. That's a dude question. I didn't. Do you know a candlestick bowling? I do not. Okay. So this is a regional thing, I guess, I didn't know about.

But like where we grew up, especially in the little beach towns, Candlestick bowling is, get a picture for me. Yeah. It's like, the pins are like, they're, they're not bowling pins. They're way thinner cylindrical pins. And you bowl with, like, a cannonball size ball and it

with no holes in it yeah yeah it's like you just palm it and you like whip it and it's a new that's a popular thing it's in new england it's the only bowling we're from I never even seen I remember someone took me to like regular bowling

I was like the fuck is this and they're like this is bowling dude that's crazy yeah check it's insane I had no idea it was a regional thing but like it is the dumbest shit in the world now that I've bowled bowled Camelistic bowling is so dumb

but yeah like that's like do you get too not still? Yeah, yeah. You just get this little guy. But it's just like different pins. That's the only bowling I'd ever done. Can you get strikes? Like it seems no. Dude, dude, dead ass, no. Because it's like, it's, first of all, the ball, you, I mean,

you go and people are throwing the thing through the ceiling because it's so late. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're just like, you don't think about it. I've never, I haven't seen a strike in my entire life. But it looks too wide, like the pins. Like, it looks like you'd be like throwing a marble through Dewey's too. You know what I mean? Like, it looks too small. They're way too spaced out. It goes right to. It's crazy. Yeah, like, that's insane.

Candlestick bowling is so dumb. That is wild. Look at that shit, dude. It's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. But bowling is, like, bowling is low-key, one of those good, you know.

It's a pretty good time. I would rather, like, usually they have the bowling alley in the arcade. I'm usually in the arcade. I'm the guy that's kind of just, like, rip and Pac-Man or something. Yeah. But bowling's fun. It's like a good social thing, for sure. All right, here's your last one.

And this one's a bad one. So how do we want to do this one? Yeah, okay. So these are, the category is your toughest loss. So these are all bad things. What you put as pass is the easiest one to swallow. Score is the one you're like,

fuck, that is the worst loss. So it's kind of like reverses. Yeah. Whereas, okay. Game four lost this past season. Frozen 4 against North Dakota. The final, in the Quebec tournament

when you were playing international peewee this is a that's a fun question what was game four again remind me you guys were up fucking three goals oh that one

Jesus fucking Christ would have changed the entire series not to bring it up I was so mad dude like he said we were on the East Coast and I was like fucking raging in a hotel room and I was like

that was insane I know I'll go past the Quebec Don't no Trevor come on

Don't disrespect Quebec It was the final, dude I will not disrespect the Quebec tournament Like that was so fun But like You wanted that championship Though you were right there The kings are listening

Yeah I was like that fucking TV tournament I mean maybe Hmm I'll go Shoot Game 4 Yeah Because I think that

There was still time Yeah like we scored three so early And I We definitely Maybe took our foot off the gas Or whatever but I think that in everyone's head

you were like you know they could score three goals right like I don't think it was like a collapse as much as it was that's a really good team over there and

and it was so fast to your point we said the same thing I was like it was yeah like it wasn't yeah like we scored three so quick on them they scored three

right back obviously we should want it and then score yeah North Dakota North Dakota that one sucks just like right at the end of the game too

like it was God damn it yeah it was um God I remember so vividly how you guys and North Dakota, honestly, in those three years, you were both so good.

And that game was just such a like, whoever wins this is winning. So, fuck and I. Yeah, that was fun. Those good times, good times. Good times. Those were good times. All right, well, dude, we've taken up a ton of your time.

Before we let you go, is there anything you want to shout out, anyone you want to say what's up to, or anything you want to plug before we let you let you out of the summer and everything? No, not to much. I just appreciate you guys having me on shout out my mom's Big Ziti I guess Shout out Mom's Big Ziti I guess We're gonna get some of that

Yeah new baby Shout out Monique being a fucking hero Monique is a fucking hero She's been crushing it Been a blast You know It's been a good summer Dude new home

New baby This is exciting time Mason getting his PGA card In about 18 years Then we're living March I mean he rolled over today So the sky's the limit They tell you

If they roll over in three months That was today Yeah Yeah, it's today. Yeah. Wow, Mason getting a roll over today. I know. He's ahead of schedule.

Yeah. Shout out Mason. Yeah. Shout out Mason. Big shout out. Yeah. Big shout up. All right.

Well, dude, this has been an absolute blast. We're going to get you on a chilling at the far blue net. Oh, yeah. Beautiful. Can't wait. Make sure to wear your wool socks because it's cold. It's cold. It's cold.

All right. Beautiful stuff.