Empty Netters Podcast - Bloody Nate Dogg Is The Scariest Sight In The NHL w/ Alec Martinez

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

Alec Martinez joins for his first Netters after dark where the boys watched the Avs take a commanding 3-1 series lead over the Wild. Nate took some friendly fire but didn’t let the busted nose stop him. Even with the goalie change, Blackwood had the answers to all the questions and Minnesota needs to climb a mountain if they want to survive. Chapters: 0:00 - Intro 4:11 - Colorado Takes 3-1 Series Lead Over Minnesota 33:36 - Can Buffalo Take Momentum in Game 4? 44:10 - Ducks and Vegas Tied up 2-2 54:33 - NHL Trade Rumors PRESENTED by BetMGM. Download the BETMGM app and use code “NETTERS” and enjoy up to $1500 in bonus bets if you lose your first wager! Thanks to our Sponsors! BetMGM: Use bonus code NETTERS when signing up to receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your first bet loses. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US) 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR) 21+ only. Please Gamble Responsibly. See BetMGM.com for Terms. First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Bonus bets are non-withdrawable. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. This promotional offer is not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. You don’t have to be on this journey alone. Find support and have someone with you in therapy.  Sign up and get 10% off at https://betterhelp.com/netters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the Empty Netters podcast. Can you believe what this has become? There was a full 48 hours where I felt like I was like literally Superman. Jumbo loves playing Fortnite, so he gets on the sticks. Did TR show you the sauna cycle or was that all year? No, no, I invented that. Almost a year now that I haven't taken a body check. That's kind of nice.

So we are back. We are horned up and we are going deep. Finish tonight with some chicken fingers and a few guineasas and ran into you guys. That's where this pod came to life. Ice is ready and we're back with another episode of the MG Natters podcast brought to you by BetMGM. I'm your host, Dan Powers, on the sticks, Dr. Watkins. Hey, O. CP to my left now.

I'm always to your left. But not across the desk because that is Alec Martinez joining us again. Here we are. We just watched Game 4, Aves Wild, Aves take care of business up to everyone. Marty, how you feel I'm filled with your first netters after dark? I'm pretty excited here. I had to fight some traffic. I was reverse commuting it, though.

So it was great. You see all the suckers? You see all the suckers going to the other way? Actually, it wasn't, no, it wasn't bad. There were parking spots outside and I'd have to park a mile away. So big. Yeah. That's huge.

That is huge. Hopefully someone hasn't broken out of my car. Hey, there's been some shit going on in Venice. Have you seen this? No. Oh, dude. Literally? I mean, was that Saturday?

Are you talking about the past like 100 years? Yeah, yeah. 100 years. It's actually. I know. I know. I'm quite aware. for it.

Drugs are popular in Venice. Yeah. The drugs are popular in Venice. Yeah, yeah. They've always have been. It's crazy. There's been a lot of extra madness this weekend, like some stabbing, some guy with a machete walking around, almost cut some guys on.

Yeah, tell him about Friday night. But I was, the other day, I was out in my little back courtyard on the stationary bike, because that's all I got cooking right now. You know, I just bike, take this thing off bike. So I'm out there, and I'm like 20 minutes in. And the whole time, there's been a, uh, hell of my little bit. helicopter circles happens all the time in Venice. There's just like a police helicopter buzz in the tower and it's like whatever.

It's allowed, but I'm fine. And I have been out for probably 20 minutes. It's giving you a little extra juice. Yeah. They chase him me. Yeah, right. Exactly. Just tell yourself that, dude.

So who needs a Peloton, dude, but I've got the cops after me. Dude, that should be an option on the Peloton. I'll go police helicopter, actually. It's like GTA, right? Yeah. Do you want Becky's Coastal Cruise or do you want this police getaway with 10 kilos of blow? God, yes. So I got like 20 more minutes.

I'm trying to stay out there. And the police, I'm in 246 on my street. And it goes like this. The police helicopter gets on the megaphone. And it's like, attention. This is the LAPD. Will the people in 256 come out with your weapons down and your hands up? Weapons down.

This is the LAP. And I'm outside and I'm like, should maybe go inside right now. Think this ride is over. You go answer at the time, though, you're like, oh, do I have time to me? Yeah. So I go. One more interval? Yeah.

I run inside. And I was like, I could get to work now. You know, so I shower up. And that was the day I was going to roll a blade. So I was like, oh, I'll get a rollerblade. But I was like, how do I get out of here? Because I now have to run through the back alleys. Like Chris busts out his front door with his cast that looks like a gun on rollerblades.

Dude, if you were out of there with blades on, like they're chasing. There he is. No question. That's all. He did not put his weapon down. What a way to get away from the cops, by the way. On blades. Blades?

Just blading away. You are a hero. Dude, you're ripping down the freeway. All of a sudden, you pop out the driver's side door, put the blades down, your ghost riding the whip, and then just let the car go into the cop cars and then veer off to the side. You'd probably make blades as popular as OJ made the Bronco. A hundred white Bronco. Bauer owes me $10 million.

The 2026. Bauer hits us up and he's like, can you guys come up with an ad for the ad for the of new Bauer-Vapor Flylights, and I'm like, oh, can I? The Bauer-Vaporin getaways. They're incredible. So, yeah, good. I'm glad. Welcome to Venice. Welcome back to Venice. Cool. It's good to be here.

All right, we've got a lot to get into. Like I said, we're going to start with this game. Avs win. What did that end up? 4-2? It ended 5-2 because it was 5. This was a weird case where sometimes they say the game was more of a blow-up than the score because it's a tight game, but one team controlled. Sometimes they say it's a blowout.

but it was actually tight. This one was interesting where I felt like Colorado dominated for such long stretches, but when we were all set and done, the score does feel not fair to the wild. You know, like, 5-2 feels mean, but I was like, you did get crushed for a lot of that game. Yeah, we were talking about it. It's like there's been a lot of kind of lopsided shots-wise games. Yeah, yes, dude. Like I said, Vegas gave up 12 shots of Utah, lost the game.

Tampa Montreal. Yeah, Tampa Montreal. Like, I don't know. That's playoff hockey, though. It's weird, right? Like you can get outplayed a lot, but if you have the timely goals or the timely plays, big saves, things like that, well, then it can, you know, land in your favor somehow. And I remember there were certain games like you get out of there and you're like, how the hell did we win that one? Or the opposite, how did we not, you know?

Yeah. But that's just hockey, I guess, maybe in general, not just playoffs. But, but yeah, I don't know. I thought, I mean, Colorado was so good. Oh, my God. Dude, I think from eight minutes left in the first till like nine minutes left in the second, the wild didn't have a shot. Like there was a stretch there.

I was like, oh my God. They went up one nothing with the power play goal. And I think shots at the time were like 10 to 3. Yeah. And it's like, listen, who cares? It's about quality, you know, quantity sometimes. Montreal will tell you that. But it was the second it got tied up and the game.

still felt that lopsided, I found myself being like, Minnesota, you are not going to win this game. Yeah. If you keep playing like this. And then what was it in the first? They had like in the first period or maybe into the second, they had like four power plays already. And it was like they scored on that, they scored their first goal was power play goal. But like they kept getting there was the was it Caprizo or Terra single? Like someone got cross checked in the back. Yeah. And they got another power play. It was correct. Because that was Kelly. He was pissed. And I was. And I was like I did not like that call and I was like you fucking have to score on this powerplay now or you are dead because it was just lobsided and they didn't and they died they had the other one today the um too many

men did you see that one or were you driving i was driving dude that one i would i should see if you can find it ev maybe there is that was one of those ones where it's like kale's coming off so bernsey jumps but kale's not that far it's not egregious but you know like oh if the play sings around it hits bernsey then it's call the play did swing but it just didn't come up the wall and bernsey's started backing up. So it was kind of like, what? And the bench was going insane. They were like, well, this is how we change every single time. But I was like, oh my God. Yeah. That was a tricky one too. But yeah, you're right. Because the Kelly was pissed about the crossjack. The bench was was pissed about the too many men to come out of that with no goals. You're like, fuck. Oh,

it's just like, it's a momentum killer, dude. And it was like, I'm impressed the game was as as close as it was for as as long as it was. And we can get into the ins and outs of the game. But before that, we talked about this morning. I want your take on this. We agreed this morning that of all the teams left in playoffs, I think the Wild are maybe the only team that could beat the Aves three games in a row. But I, after watching that game, I'm not changing my mind, but I am declaring them dead. Oh, what do you think? I don't know.

A team like Minnesota, like, I don't know. We were talking about like the weirdness of a series. Yeah. I guess like in the preview, right? We talked about Minnesota being hard skill. Like, I think maybe the reason you say that is because I think that they're the most different out of any of the other team. They are. Most unique, I couldn't agree more.

Okay. So it's like, does that make sense? Yeah, that's cool. I don't know. They just, they have this element that, I don't know, they could do it. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

I don't. But then again, it's like you go back and forth and it's like, well, Colorado, like they're so damn good. I know. You know, I don't know. To me, I don't think they're dead. I still think they get another win. I do too. I think this is going seven still.

I just think I personally think their chances of winning might be gone now. Because you now have to go back to Denver and you have to win. Yep. And then come back and protect Homa and then go back to Denver again. Like that is just such a tall task. The seven is, so how hard is it when you go? Because I always say if I'm going to be down 3-1, which you don't want to be, I actually prefer to be the lower seat because of what he described.

because I get to go to their place and maybe there don't have the intensity we have because our backs are against the wall, we have three losses. You steal game five on the road, then you get the home game six. And then game seven is kind of a toss-up. Yeah, that's actually what we had in 14.

Yeah, right. Because I think we did with San Jose. Yeah, because we started there. And the whole idea is like, yeah, let's just, let's steal one on the road, come back to our own building. Win at home. And then game seven's just whatever.

It doesn't matter. Yeah, it's like, yeah. All right, we'll just take a crack at this. Yeah. So I kind of hear you. Yeah, you come home and it's like you have a little bit of pressure to finish it off. And then all of a sudden, like, you lose that game and then you start, those thoughts start keeping in your mind. It's like, it's kind of, yeah.

It's so situational though, right? Because like I think about 24 Florida when Edmonton storms all the way back, I think Florida is like, thank God we're home. True. They said that too. Yeah. Like they are, they did not want to be playing that game at Roger. Obviously, it's situational, like I said. But it's like, that one is definitely a like, no, I want to be home for this.

That pressure is so real, though. Like, you're like, I can't, like, I cannot live the rest of my life knowing that we were the team that blew it. Yeah. You know, like, dude, they put up as soon, I don't know if you guys were still watching as soon as that game ended. They were like, Colorado has not lost, like, with 3-1 series lead, like, they have not lost since 2003 or whatever. You know, and you're just like, get this away from me. Yeah. That's why the players don't watch shit like this.

I'm talking about it in the playoffs. I'm like do not like a, I mean for a lot of different reasons. Like I'm like, I don't even want to think about hockey. Yeah. On a non-game. Yeah. Correct. You know?

But yeah, I just, I don't want. I don't want to know all that stuff. Uh, agree completely. My, my other. So I, I will again say I do think it is. I think it's too much. The series is over. No.

Well, yes. Yes. According to me. I think it's decided. It's not over. Over would mean it's over in five. I think it's decided, but I do think it's going to go seven still. Like, I, I mean, Minnesota looked, the fact that they got that first power play goal after last game, and it's like the power play's going.

That's so big for them. I just couldn't believe they couldn't fucking bury tonight. And I said it to you both. Bednar looks like a fucking genius with that goalie switch. Okay, let's do that now. Let's do the goal. Valdsted was nasty too, by the-nasty. Nasty.

Especially in the second, like, he had. The radio guy was going bananas. And I'm like, I'm trying to like, kept on saying, like, left to right on your radio dial. And I'm like, what does this guy? Yeah, it's like. I love that. That's an OG radio guy. It's like in knocked up when he's like throwing the dice on the dance floor.

He's like, he's throwing the dice way too much. And he's like, it's all he's got. You know? And I was like, that's what I was thinking of the radio guy. You know, it's like, hey, man, you got to come up with. We heard you. Yeah, we heard you. Go on left to right across your radio.

And it's like, I heard it. I heard it. No, but. yeah I mean he's that's a ballsy play he kept them in there dude that flurry was crazy it truly like

and even um who was it EJ maybe somebody was kind of the cadre goal somebody was kind of like oh and while he got off his angle a little bit there

and I was like dude first of all like the shot got ricochet you know he's like tracking the puck and kicked back to Godre it wasn't his fault

and second of all he's made 1,000 incredible days in a row yeah it's cut him so slack if you're Walston in this game you've got to kind of be like

you fucking guys get some more shots on that, please, fuck it Christ. Man, it's, he, and he was fighting something in a good way, like double, triple deflections, like getting shoulders up and everything. And I'm with you, Dan, the onslaught was hard to watch. But, dude, to your point earlier, playoffs, if you just hang around, though, especially a team of Scarys Minnesota, you just hang around. And that's a kind of, that's Minnesota style, too. You just hang around, you grind a team down, you play physical on them, you, I mean, you know, Heinz, too. He's one of the most defensive-minded,

I would say conservative coaches probably in the league, right? Yeah, definitely. He's like the modern day, not to this extent, but Lou Lamarillo, right? Like he's, that's, and I played for him in world championships and he was all about structure and all that. So like, that's scary, where it's like, yeah,

if they just kind of hang around, if they get one, then all of a sudden, I don't know. Yeah, definitely. But McBlackwood on the other end, though, answered every question. So that's the thing that sucks is like, to your point, they, we got a one,

one game, Ross Colton gets the go-ahead goal, and then Sturm scores pretty quickly after that, and that felt like this like wild team that's just like, they hang around, they fight. And in that moment, I was like, they're going to win. Like this is like that. It was one-one. They got the first lead. It gets tied up. They gave it up. They got it right back. They're going to get it. And then I thought Parker Kelly's goal is one that Walshead wants back. And that sucks because for me, this game was decided by two goalies who were playing very well, and one made a mistake. And game over.

Yeah. And if you're... It's kind of screened on it, though? It was a... He definitely caught it late. That's what I can't tell. It was a little fluttery? Yes.

Evan, can you get this full screen for us? Yeah, where did this goal happen? Keep going. It made it three, two. Yeah, right in the middle of the ice, too. Because I... He definitely just comes over like this, and it just goes over.

his shoulder. Here's Parker Kelly top of your screen. Like I can I could believe it's screened by one of those guys. Does Spalino screen wallsted? Yeah, like trying to block the shot. Yeah. And frankly, he must or this will be a good look. Oh, there's two. I think so, right? Because he doesn't

It sneaks by Bogo and I just don't. Yeah. He doesn't see it at all. I can't tell if it's his if it's his fault if he doesn't see it. That one angle kind of looks like a moving screen. Yeah, you know Zipping by both of them. Yeah. Dark jerseys, too, guys.

I know. That's a real thing. So, yeah, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there. But it kind of, it seemed like it came off Kelly's stick. Weird. He did. A little weird, too. He's, like, coming over.

I mean, great shot. He got a lot of wood on it, but like, yeah. No, that's wobbling for sure. So, yes. And with the way this series has been going, there's really no room for error for Walsett, unfortunately. Like, if he makes one mistake, he's like, great, now we lose. Yeah.

Like, yep. But, dude, I will say, whatever that stretch will, was at the end of the second, the shots I was saying to yours, shots were like 21 to 4. There was a two power plays from Minnesota that they kind of got some juice back. And then they started the third, great. When we were watching the third period, Minnesota was going. They had the first four scoring chances. In that window, Blackwood answered every question.

There was a couple crazy flurries in front of him that he was kicking out left and right. Definitely. So that, you know, that was a crazy, crazy coaching. Not crazy, ballsy coaching. I think we all agreed when we found out Blackwood was starting. We were like, wow. Yeah, you said you were like, shock about. Blackwood.

Shocking to say. Here I'm listening to the radio again. How old am I? Good Lord. It's Christ. I'm picturing you're sitting on a screened-in porch. My rabbit ears just sticking up in there. I got a tinfoil hat on.

God damn it, dude. No, that was, I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a ballsy play by Bednar. But like, I brought it up earlier, too. Like, you don't know what's going on behind closed doors. Maybe, maybe Wedgwood's fighting something. Maybe, obviously, they're not going to say anything. But maybe the decision. was easy and then he just, you know, the coach speak to the media, but I don't know, there could

be something going on or maybe there's not. Maybe he truly was. I mean, he's played a ton of hockey. Yep. And we said this morning, don't forget, I mean, the mix in with the great game too, but he gave up six in game one and then gave up three in the first period, I think, in game three, you know, two of the three games, he was kind of getting lit up. So they were like, okay, maybe that's, maybe you need a rest. Maybe it's, maybe you, maybe you're dealing with something, whatever. But it wasn't like, he, he was posting three shoutouts in a row and like we're going to blackwood. I was like, well, he's giving up nine goals.

Well, Benar's comments, too, about, oh, this is what we've done all year. That's either an easy cop-out if there is something going on, or it's also the truth, you know, what they did all year. So, like, why would we, I mean, why would we- We like both guys? Yep, we like both guys. Going back to, like, I think Minnesota, if they want to win this, it's like, you were talking about the margins being raised within. Like, they need to win these next three games, like two-one. Yeah. No more in 3-2.

Yeah. Like the same way that the Kings played them and had to win, I think it doesn't matter. It's not the Kings or Minnesota. I think it's anyone. I love that. That's how you're going to have to beat this Colorado team. You have to limit them to one or two a game max. I frankly agree.

I mean, the one game they won was 5 to 1, right? Like it's... Other than the 9-6 game was a little crazy. But you're right. I mean, I stand... I think it was shocking that Blackwood started. it makes Bednar look like a genius. However, super curious who starts next game.

Because do you go, McKenzie just got the way, ride the hot hand, let's stay with him. Or do you go, no, this was a scheduled break for Wedgwood, now he's back in? I think it's either a really hard decision or it's really easy. Yeah, right. Either it's like pre-planned. Where if something, if it's pre-planned or if something's going on, well then, yeah, it's an easy decision. or there's nothing going on and that's, I don't know. But if he made the right decision now, I mean, he knows his guys.

Yeah. Maybe they just alternate. I don't know. I'm like, do it. Every again. Fuck it. I think, God, it will be interesting if he's not hurt. If he's not hurt and he's just like, hey, man, McKenzie played great.

You had given up whatever it was, a 10 goal. Yeah, I mean, like, he got yanked in, did he get yanked in one or did they keep? No, no. He ate them all. He gave up six and then he got yanked after three. in game three, I think. So, I mean, yeah, you could easily see Benner being like, dude, like, you're kind of leaky. We're going to just go, let's just get through this series.

But, I mean, again, but you don't know what's going on a lot. Like, imagine McKenzie just plays great and Wedgwood never gets the net back. And I'm like, whoa. Like, after that season and the beginning of this playoffs. You've kind of seen that before. Maybe not in the playoffs, but like, that's happened. For sure. For sure.

Definitely. Yeah, that was nuts. Again, that's a. tough one. There's a couple of things I want to get to in this game, but before that. One quick thing. I think each coach looks at it too. It's like each one individually and it's like, what

gives us the best chance to win tonight? Yeah. And I don't think that they look too much beyond that. I mean, there's a general play. Yeah, goalie, like in this situation, like maybe he's just saying like I just need to do whatever we can do to win

like let's win game four. Yeah, win game four. And then we'll reevaluate tomorrow and let you know future let future Alec worry about that I do that all the time. I think that's a great point. That's my fastball. I think it's a great point. Sorry, didn't mean interrupt. No, no, not at all.

I did want to touch on this quickly because I actually didn't I don't want to say I didn't know this, so I wasn't thinking about this. I keep thinking about this wild team and I'm like, Eric Seneck and Brodeen being out is brutal. Brutal. I keep forgetting that fucking Malinski and Lekininin are out for Colorado. Yes.

That is. scary. Are you kidding me? This team is this good without those guys? Because I don't think people are often enough putting enough respect on Lekinen's name. He is so good and so valuable for this team. And they're just rolling without them. How long has he been out? So I think it's kind of crazy. It's like if you're a wild fan, right, you want to be like, fuck. And Eric's an X so important. So is Brodine. But it is like if you bring that up, every avalanche fan has the ammo to be like this. Well, we're not, we don't have Lekinen or Molinsky, so like, holy shuck it. Yeah.

And I'm like, that's an appropriate suck it. Which is, um, and you, another testament to the abs and you love when this happens. Because dude, as a fan, when you're, when you have a cup contender team and you're like, please make a move at the deadline, you know, like, I want to make a run. And then you do, it's awesome. And then if that person just goose eggs in the playoffs, which it just happens, right? Like it's whatever. But as a fan, I'm telling you, you're just like, God damn.

Dude, we just traded away. It's like Matt Socarello in Dallas and he broke his arm, like the first game or something like that. Like, ugh. So you're like, what the fuck? And for the abs to go out and get Nick Waugh and cadre and have them both be just like doing so much for you contributing, it must be sick. Where you're like, yep, boom, this is what we did. We brought this depth immediate production. And this is why we did it.

Yeah. Yeah. God. It's insane. It's weird. Like you have those guys, like, I don't know, you can't even call, you can't call Lekin and a depth guy. But it's like, but when he's standing next to McKinnon, you're like, All right.

Anyone looks like a deaf guy next to that. He's next to McKinnon, you're like, you're a coast guy. I guess that's an unfair comment, but to say like both these teams have so much depth. Yeah. But their depth is also not depth in the regular season. Right. Yeah. It's whatever is above depth.

Yeah, we need a new word. But yeah, but yeah, I don't know. It's weird. But the one thing that I think really hurts Minnesota is Ericksonek. It did. It's becoming a real. real problem. He's so valuable. On the power play, like in front, he makes those little plays, but like faceoffs, man. Faceoffs, dude. Like so much of the playoffs comes down to that. Puck

possession. Like, it's, it's a huge difference. I think that's where they, they probably miss him the most. I mean, obviously, he brings a lot of other things, a little tenacity, a little grit. Yeah. Faceoffs is huge. It's such a big factor. He kills penalties, too. Like, he's, that's a brutal loss. And I can't tell because they're doing, I mean, obviously it's playoffs. They're doing the coach speak, but, you know, they're like, he's just not ready, but he was skating. You know, I can't quite read between the lines of like, oh, is he back next game? Or are they like, he's skating. He's actually dead.

You'll never see him again. I'm like, okay, fair enough. So, yeah, that's going to be tricky. I need to get into the Manson. Yep, great. Manson pulling out a shiv and trying to kill someone on the ice. No, obviously wasn't that dramatic. Straight prison break.

Yeah. Let's discuss that play. Okay. I, I actually seen a few Aves fans online being like that McCarran should have gone to the box for embellishment. Oh, and I don't like that take. So of the three of us, I live, was the most trying to be like, well, I might not have been that bad. And I haven't really got to look at the five seconds leading up to it. Because by the time the camera gets them, they're like bear hugging each other on the ground.

It's very weird tangle up, whatever. McCarron's lying on top of him. And how I was trying to rationalize it was he's just trying to just rabbit him in the face. You know, like, with his glove. Like a little jazz. Yeah, he's just like, get away from it. Manson has spoken. Okay, what did he said?

I butt ended him. Was it on purpose? No. Did I want to punch him in the head? I did want to punch him in the head. Yeah. It's like in my mind. I kind of respect that.

Me too. There's really not much for us to talk about it anymore. Yeah, that's like, yeah. And also the fact that he goes, I butt ended him. He's like, yeah. He owned it. He owned it. Good on him, honestly.

Yeah. I wanted to rabbit punch him in the head, and I fortunately had my stick in my hand. Yeah. I'm like, all right. But on the replay, it is the stick is so far out that it feels weird that he wouldn't know that I'm like, you were going to catch him here. I mean, we've all had those moments where the wires cross and you're just like, you know, you short circuit, you do something that you had a first inclination to do and you're like, oh, well, probably shouldn't have done that. Yep. That's probably what happened here.

It's just like, it is, the butt end is sticking out so far. So much that I'm like, you could have taken his eye out. Take it easy. What did you think in real time? Were you like, bro? I was, you know, you see that and you're like, I don't know if it was intentional or not, but it's fairly clear that he got him pretty good.

But I was like, what I, even more so than the play, like, I looked at his interview in between periods. And that's where I was like, I had a bigger woe in that. I'm like, ooh, like them's fighting words. That was crazy. I kind of.

Because I got that quote here too. Yeah, he goes, he said he's a dirty play. he's always been. Also, to Marty's point, this was in-game. Was it in-game? Yes, dude. Like, I'm pretty sure this, wasn't that between period? Yeah, like, that's what you do. Yeah, like, it was a between-period's interview. Like, that is fucking hilarious.

Could you guys see that? Hold on, hold on. He goes, if someone get you that clip into your locker room? Like, if you're on the aves, could you guys in lock? Would someone be like, dude, what he just said? Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, the video guy. He goes, he's a dirty player. He's always been not. very well respected. I love a yeah dude everyone fucking hates you they're all talking about it.

That kind of a chirp is so good. It's like there's a few things that get under a guy's skin and it's like you've changed. Yeah. Instant reaction, right? And then and then the boys are talking. And that's like the equivalent of the boys are talking. Yes, exactly. But that's like, that's why playoff hockey's awesome. And to me like would I have had this reaction when I was playing like I don't know but now that I'm not yeah I can actually just watch as a fan I was like oh holy that that was great yeah he actually said that do you think um well I mean maybe it was there was there was some festivities after the final whistle there too so it's probably not we probably haven't heard the end of that play yeah I think Nick Felino is yeah it's so terrible

yeah dude it's off what the anxiety the kids what are they saying oh what do you mean what are you saying yeah who's just the boys it's just the boys it's actually being like this he's not well, respect you. Yeah, everyone thinks that about him. Like, he's now like, what, what, am I dirty?

Am I ready? Am I going to say? I was like, what happens next game? Like, did the abs go after McCarron? Because they're like, fuck you, don't talk about him like that.

Or are they like, yeah, he is a comeback? I don't think the abs can go after McCarran after he got butt ended in the face. But, I mean, it's great drama. Yeah, I love it. Did you,

did you like the call? Like, the double minor. We left that after a long review with a double minor. Uh, I don't, I don't know. I think there's like, especially in the playoffs,

like we were talking about it earlier with some of that stuff. Like the, we were talking about kicking that Hartman out of the draw at the end of the game. Or like, too many men, it's like, each playoff series, like you're trying to feel out what you can get away with and what you can't and each crew is different. So like with that, I don't know. I always respect the refs trying to just prevent something.

from getting out of hand. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what it is. What it was. Because it's like there's that fine line where it's like, hey, you got to let the guys play. But like we just, we can't have, you know, a circus out here. Yeah.

Yeah. Dave Jackson said, uh, there's a double minor for attempted butt ending. If they cannot determine absolutely that the stick hit him, but the attempt was made, then the double minor is the proper call. I mean, this is the puck didn't cross the goal line conversation though. Like, do you think that's, no, no, no, just let's extrapolate the stick. I think this is a little more cut and dry. Don't you think it's worse, though, if they attempt to get him?

Like, that to me is, like, whether he got him or not. Attempted murder. Attempted murder is also life, pal. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Holy shit. Like, it's not your fault. You fucked it up and didn't get, didn't complete the job.

I tried. I just didn't do it. I tried to kill the guy. I didn't do it. I did try. Way more trouble. I mean, this feels cut and dry to me. Like, they think there was a clear attempted but end.

Manson's being like, I didn't mean to butt end him. But he butt ended him in the face. And if that is the rule, I'm like, yeah, it's a double minor. I'm kind of, it's one of those weird ones where I hope there's no suspension here. I actually agree. Because like, I think he's getting fine. Yeah. For sure.

Give him a nice fine. The maximal allowance or whatever. I'm so good at that. Which is funny because I actually saw something today in the, uh, Jesus. In the Habs game last night, uh, Jack I fucking suckered. Uh, who did he catch? like right on the button in the jaw. Oh, Greenway, right?

Didn't he? No, no, that was after the game. I don't think that was, I mean, it would have been Jack I too, but he, like, suckered someone in the chin with their gloves on and, like, knocked him down and out. And he got, like, a $3,000 fine. And someone online was talking about him being like,

that is not enough because that is, like, an incentive to keep doing that. Yeah, like, all this is is three grand. I'm like, keep fucking knocking guys out. And there are times where I'm like, if you butt in someone in the face and they're just like, fine, I'm kind of like,

we gotta make sure people aren't doing this more. But McCarron was fine, thankfully. Yeah. So I'm kind of like, give him a fine. He wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Like when he kind of came out of the scuffle and he had like a little neck. I was like, that's it. That's probably why the abs guys were saying to be embellished it.

Come on. Definitely. But also like if you've ever been butt ended. In the face, dude, you're reacting like, fuck. Am I? Yeah. Yeah. It hurts so bad.

But ends are horrible. Horrible. Especially like depending on the how the guy tapes is this day. or his knob? Like, I mean... Imagine Mark Stone, dude, you're clad to death. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, you're impaled by that thing.

No, but like, you know, if a guy doesn't shave the end down or something, there's like the little carbon fiber fragments, like that hurts, dude. Yeah, that is the worst, the worst. So, yeah, I'm hoping, I'm with you, dude, I'm hoping no additional punishment. It's funny. Nate got it worse from Friendly Fire. Dude, so that's what I wanted to say next. Nate, right off the beak, bro, that was insane.

And we were joking before in the live, this. morning. So you saw him swimming, obviously, in the pool. Do you see that? Yeah, yeah. So we were saying in a live this morning that every wild fan tonight should have had goggles on if they're sitting in the glass. That's a pretty good troll. Yeah. Oh, my God. And like, when I saw Nick get hit, well, when I first saw him get hit, I was like, oh, God, he just lost 17th. And this is a nightmare. Looks like it got him a little higher. So he's fine. I think it caught his nose. But I was like, can you imagine if Nate just took one off the face and he has to come out with a fucking bubble now? And I'm like, oh my God, get him a snorkel. Look at his fucking go. It's so funny.

But, dude, it made him scarier. He looked like a fucking dragon when he scored that empty netter. And he's got, like, the red nose. Like, blood still coming out. He's, like, on the bench, like, fucking huffing salts. And he, like, looks like he's seen God. He's like, he's an open wound, Nate. And he gone down.

I love it, though. That's a hockey god's giving you one after taking one off the dome. No, hell yes. A nice empty netter. No question. It's fantastic. Great play by nature. I thought he had it himself.

And when he spun around, I was like, you just passed that to know. It was a great pass. Yeah. It was a great pass. I didn't, we don't need to get into it because I love them. I did not like the play by Boldie though. What do you mean? Oh, oh, to turn that over.

The Wild had good possession in there. They had a great look right before that. I forget who had that shot, but someone wrung one right over the bar. And Boldy just kind of like put a weak one up the boards that Nate just like easily picked. Or I think Nate easily picked off. But anyway, game's done. Do you think this is still going seven? What did we say?

Or no, you weren't here. I said, we did like another one I said abs in seven, but I don't think it's going to seven anymore, I think abs. Okay, I think it is still. I think there's a little fight left. Yeah, I think they, I think Minnesota gets at least one, but yeah, I don't know.

That's a tough one. I know. I think, uh, we need it. If one team can do it. Yes. Many. Yes. They need Ericksonack back next game.

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Buffalo is dead. I'm just killing everybody. I actually think Buffalo needs to come out with a little bit of fight after that. You mean this? I mean a little bit of this fight. I did not like the way Greenway was getting fed knuckles. sandwiches for fucking dinner and didn't do anything. And no one really stepped, because you said to me during this game that this is the most

physical series, which I completely agree with. Yeah. And I'm with you. I think Buffalo might need to take a page out of this book if they want to even this baby up. Especially going into the Bell Center. Dude. Like that place is going to be buzzing. Yeah.

So like you got to come out. Like you got to come off the top ropes if you're, if you're Buffalo going in in this place. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, but it's also like it's a young team. They're figuring it out too. You know, this is the first time. You can't expect them to, you know, just know every situation and handle it accordingly.

I mean, you look at a veteran team. It's like a lot of guys, we'd be like, oh, you know, when I played on those teams, it's like, well, we wish we would have handled this differently, you know? But it's like, especially, I mean, they're going into, and you have to give Montreal credit. They've been unreal. But going into that building, like, there's so many ebbs and flows through a series. That's one of the things that I have down there. Yeah. Right?

And we talk about that all the time. but this is a prime example of that. Yeah. It's like you think that Buffalo and then didn't Lindy Ruff say some kind of along those lines like post game, right? But it's like you know that they're going back to the hotel. They're at the Ritz, you know, other than, you know, we've talked about that toilet before. Yeah. The greatest bathroom in the NHL.

Didn't we talk about that last time? Yeah. Yeah. No, but they're going back. They're going back to those meal rooms and they know. And they're all chat and they're like, we can't, like this can't happen again. So like, you know, especially. those, you know, Benson, all those guys that like to stir up a little bit.

Definitely. I could see them doing that. I think they got to come out. I think they got to piss off the fans. I think they got to try to get under Montreal's skin. Because they're both super skilled teams. Like they're, I think a big advantage Montreal had over Tampa is there's so much faster. There's so much quicker to puck's.

They're so much faster. I don't think that advantage is that clear in this series. I think Buffalo can match that. So it's like you can't. get slapped around like you did in that last game and then come out and not respond. I think they need to come out and be a little gritty, a little nasty, especially on away ice. And I mean, you have to steal one. Yeah.

This is like I, I, it's obviously it's only been two series, but the fact that Montreal's not lost two games in a row is huge. They always respond. You've got to try to match. Like, you've lost two in a row now, Buffalo. So like you have to respond now. So they have to come out fire. Yeah. And it's not even, even guys like Taylor.

agent tuck, just hit somebody, you know, get in the mixer a little bit, kelp you get going, I think is really important. But it is, it is a scary one because this Buffalo had, I guess Boston won that one game in Buffalo and game five. And it was like, oh, maybe the Bruins are coming back. But it really, they really were in control. So for a team without a lot of play of experience, this is their first like, yo, we have to win this game moment.

Is it hard to not be super jittery when you're coming out, gripping the stick for those games? I think, well, a little bit of both, actually. it's like sometimes you've got to remind yourself to calm down a little bit too like because coming out guns of blazing too much is definitely a problem too right but it's like finding this like calmness but but also this aggressive like the sense of urgency as I sound like a coach right now and it kills me saying it but yeah get pucks in deep no but it really is true like they're they're going into one of the toughest buildings I played there in the playoffs in COVID and it the oh fuck wow

blew the roof off that place. And there was like a third there or something like that. But yeah, you're going in there and it's like you have to play a solid road game. And I don't know, maybe I'm just old school, but I always think like run and gun is never going to get it done. Yeah. Like it might win you around. It might win you two, maybe three. It might even get you the final.

But like the physicality thing and little hits or physical plays like that that compound over a series. If I'm Buffalo, it's like we've got a lot of big bodies. Like we need to start doing that. And Montreal does too. But like we have to start doing that, especially in their building, if we're going to shut down them and take away their time and space. Yeah. Like again, a little bit of coach speak, but it's it's like an old adage because it is true, right?

Definitely. I don't know. The physicality thing, it's like that's why there's certain teams that are built for the playoffs and there's certain teams that are built for regular season. Yeah. And it's like you've got to play a mixture of both. Yeah. Right.

Dude, I, this is what I think is going on with Buffalo. Okay. I like this a lot. Yeah, I'm going to see. I like this a lot. I actually, I think, I think this is really sharp. So many of these guys have not played playoff hockey. Yep.

I think they were on a rip since December. Best team in the Atlantic. They won the Atlantic. And that's great. That's amazing. But regular season hockey. Then they get to playoffs. They go down to,

two nothing to Boston immediately. And they're playing a team that has a ton of playoff history, a lot of veterans on that team. A couple guys who just won a gold medal on that team. I know Buffalo does too. But they go down early to Boston. They're like, fuck me.

Storm back and win. But it's kind of like you're on fucking quailudes in that one. And you're like, holy shit! And then Boston goes up immediately again in game two and wins. And you're kind of like, fuck me. I think there was so much like, first hit of the fucking smelling salts round one that they won.

They're the better team for sure. Yeah. But they won that series and they're like fucking rights. One and six. Let's go. Now they're in round two looking at a great Montreal team. And I think for the first time in these playoffs they're going, wait a minute. We could go to the cup.

Yeah. Like I think they're looking at Montreal going, it's a great team. But so are we. Like we just beat Boston and six. we were the best team in the Atlantic. We've beat this team in the regular season, plenty of times. We can beat them, and then we go up against Carolina, who is a wagon, but Carolina's got all their Carolina? Like, I think genuinely, Buffalo is, this team is in that locker room and they're looking around and they're realizing, not only can we win this series, but we could actually go to the Stanley fucking cup.

And I think the reality of playoff hockey is like really hitting them of like, this isn't just a fun like, fucking rights, Buffalo made it to playoffs. They're being like, wait a minute, this could be a cup run. so holy shit and I think that this game is going to be a big test of that of like are you ready for this moment? Because you can't go down 3-1 and you're playing in probably the hardest barn in the league to play in

against a very scrappy good Canadians team so I'm super excited to see how they play but I genuinely think that mentality is what's hitting them right now dude you know what I like about this take there must be a cool or there must be a real jump when you make get to round two. Because I think like round one, making playoffs is sick. But round one, you're like, okay, like we're in playoffs. Let's see what happens. Getting out of round one, you're like, okay, now we're going. Like, let's fucking try to make a bid at it. Yeah. I think like first round,

there's a few teams that this sounds terrible, but probably don't have a chance to go. Oh, definitely a long way. Agree completely. But then once you get to the second round, it's like all those teams are eliminated. Everyone here could win. Yeah. And anyone could win. Yeah. I like your point too. I would ask you or I'll pose you a couple of, question. Please. Are you saying that you think that they've been riding high since December and they haven't faced enough adversity yet?

Like, do you, because there's a difference between, like, they haven't had their back against the wall yet. Yeah. And that's a very different feeling going into a game. Yeah. In a position like that, then, you know, they, they weren't ever really, you know, they handled the series with Boston, right? Yes.

Yes, they did. What I think. And then all of a sudden, they're running into their biggest test yet. and it'll be interesting to see how they handle that. Especially with a young group. Yes. Right. So I don't think it's so much that they haven't.

I think you just said it perfectly. But I don't think it's so much that they haven't faced adversity. I think it's the reality of the situation is kind of hitting them for the first time. Because as they were rolling and they were climbing the ranks, there was definitely a vibe of like playing with house money. Right. Like they, dude, we were talking about firing Lindy and October. October they started so bad. Like they were awful for a stretch.

And it was like, here we go. Same old sabers. And obviously that's when like the wit clips come out of like zero point zero chance of them making playoffs. And then they're just rolling. And I think the vibes were so high that they weren't even thinking about like, oh my God, like this is this is the team that we were, we always knew we were going to be at the start of the season.

So I think they were just buzzing. And then we hit that point on this show where we were like, they're in. Like this isn't a playoff race anymore. They're in. emphatically. And yeah, now, again, I think reality is the word. I think now the reality is hit of like, no, no, guys, we didn't just make playoffs. We are in playoffs and we have a chance to go to the Stanley Cup.

So lock the fuck in. Yeah. That is what I think is the moment. And what I love about this series and any Habs fan who would disagree with this, I mean, I might eat crow if they have been the next two games, like fucking by five goals. What I love about this series is if Buffalo comes out as you're listening, tonight and wins 5-1, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Yeah.

Like this series feels very unpredictable to me, in a fun way. For me, it just rides or dies with the Buffalo goaltending. When they get, when they're getting a great goaltending from Alex Lyon, I'm like, oh, shit, you might win. And then when he's like, I'm a backup. I'm like, oh, yeah, you're a Lou Lowe. I think you got to go with Lion one more time. God, it's so tough. I think so, too, though.

I just, yeah. It's shit, though, because you then put UPL in a brutal situation. Oh. If he, if Lion gets rung up and then you go with U. Remember the Be the Be the Beast did that to Sway? Yeah. They blew the best record. Like Sway gets game seven.

You have not played yet. Here you go. There you go. Like what? Jump on this grenade. Jesus Christ. Help us, please. Help us.

Okay, Vegas Ducks 2-2. Thoughts. Yeah, I want your thoughts because I thought Vegas game three was the best they've looked since Utah game six. And I was like, oh yeah, there they are. Now we're in trouble. I think it's the best they looked in all of players. Yeah, that's what you said.

too. Yeah, 100%. Like, I mean, yeah, they were firing on all cylinders. Like, Marner obviously was insane. Howden scored again because he scores every game. He scores every game. It's the easiest bet in the world right now. But they were, they, I mean, you look at like the start that they had in the building. Shea Theodore scored the second shift to the game, his first. Yeah. And then Braden McNaft comes down with the change up. Yeah. And fools those to all on that, which was, which was awesome. But I've seen that guy do that like a hundred times. practice. The fact that he pulled it out in a playoff game. That's so sick. But yeah, I think it was their best one that they've played all year. And I think, I mean, Stoney said it in the media too.

Like, I think they know that they, other than that game, they probably haven't played their best hockey in the playoffs. Yeah, they've been pretty open about that. What's been interesting. But yeah, obviously losing him, you know, not having him last game was, you know, that's a big blow to the room. But yeah, I don't know. This is an interesting one. I mean, yeah, it's. The ducks are so good, too. Like, I think the good thing, we go back to the physicality thing. Yeah. After game two, I was like, I thought that they, it was weird.

The ducks are like a better version of Utah, right? These exact same thing. Yes, I totally agree. They're a better version of Utah. And it's like, you look at that series and they wanted to kill each other. Yeah. And then I was there for game three. You guys were there, game four.

Like, I don't know if you noticed the same thing, but I couldn't believe how many hits or checks weren't finished. Like there's so much, there's so much just skating away. And I'm like, where's this going? Yeah. Where did this go? Like the last round was like that. And from both sides.

Yes. Yeah, definitely. They're rolling off a lot of stuff too. You notice that a lot with the ducks. Like they're making, not shying away from it. Yeah. But they're making plays and like actively like spinning off to be like, I'm not getting in the mixer here.

And you wonder if that's conscious because it's definitely, it's noticeably less physical than Utah, Vegas, which is interesting. And like Colorado, Minnesota, you know. Right. Like, holy shit. Oh, my God, yeah. I feel like that Vegas is playing too much of the Ducks game. Oh, cool.

Yeah, yeah. Than their own. Yep. Yeah. And that's hard, right? Because especially when, when you're a team that is more physical, you play more of the grind cycle, like all that, it's real easy to get into the running gun.

Yeah. You know? And I think, and that's not totally unfair to, or that's not totally fair to say about the ducks because I think the ducks can play that way too. But like they are a rush team. They're offensive. They carry a ton of speed up the middle like Utah did. Obviously that until, well, I guess first three games, their power play was struggling because Vegas's PK was so good. But yeah, I don't know, it's real easy to slip into that run and gun. Yeah. And I feel like it takes like an active effort to not do that. Yeah. I think it's true. No, I think it's so true.

I'm going to be totally wrong. I don't know. We all can be so wrong in this shit. It's unbelievable. But I think I was maybe not as similar as the Buffalo thing. But I think the ducks are also kind of in a situation where they go up against the oilers. Yeah. And then they beat them in six.

And like the ducks are probably kind of feeling right now like, oh shit, dude. Like, can we go on a little run here? You know, like that's, that feeling is very exciting, especially from a team that you're not entirely sure was thinking we could get to the Western conference final in the beginning of the playoffs. Yeah. But it's like now you're going up against a great Vegas team and you're tied to two, too. And I've just never seen anything as exciting as

this Ducks team. You've got great veterans who are like kind of helping the room but it's like it's unreal that it's Leo Beckett Lacombeckham. Like all their young guys are fucking bawling for them. This is wild. It's so fun to watch. We were saying joke and they

their second power play is just like five other sick young dudes. I'm like What the fuck, dude? This is insane. Their roster's wild. I think they're one of the most fun teams to watch. I love it. Couldn't agree more.

I worked a couple of the games when they played Vegas. I worked the broadcast in season, and they were awesome games. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know. I still think like the physicality thing. And like you mean Vegas needs to, Vegas asserts that they win, essentially. I'm kind of with you.

I was riding high on the duck. coming off. I was like, holy shit after the Edmonton thing, and Vegas was like kind of whatever. I thought they were going to lose to Utah at a point there. So I was like, I think the ducks will do this. But Vegas is getting closer to their game, in my opinion, where I'm like, oh, like, if the ducks can maybe steal

five, okay, but if not, I think you're in trouble. That's the other thing, too, is that the longer these games go, or the longer a series goes, or maybe the longer Vegas advances, like, they get scarier and scary. I know. It's like, it's like the, like pulling someone out to the deep end.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like that's what they're doing. You know, they're just slowly. Yeah. But I think like you had a good point too about like the reality thing with the ducks and the buffalo. Yeah.

Like there has to be this sense of like realization where it's like, oh shit. Like we have a shot at this. Definitely. Like in 12, I remember, I think I told the story last time I was on here. Yeah. But we had that. I think it was like Kyle Cliff. and Trevor Lewis and I'm like aging or dating ourselves but we were coming back after

I think we had just knocked off van and the president's trophy and it's like you go into that series you're like all right the president trophy Vancouver blah blah blah you're like let's just try to win this one right and then all of a sudden like you do handle and I remember like us looking around and we're like holy shit like do we actually do yeah do we actually we have a chance of doing this. And not that you don't believe it beforehand, but it's like, it's almost like this, this belief that has to be validated by your experience. Yeah. Or like, yeah, you know, like, it's no different than like having, you need to have success to build confidence. It doesn't just happen like that. And I feel like both those teams

are going through that. Definitely. And the coaches, I bet you are pounding that. Just to say that, dude, 100%. Because this torch journey's been incredible. I can't believe we're here. And we talked about this a few days ago off camera. If you, if Vegas gets through, they, and I let's say it's Colorado, I think there was a stretch if you're the abs that you were going, this is actually amazing. We just have to get through two rounds and then play whatever fucking idiot comes out of that Pacific situation, you know? And now though, if it's Vegas and Marner's leading the playoffs and points and Carter Har's playing pretty good, you're like, damn it. I guess this was not, I was not expecting this. And so I'm with.

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with probably my favorite discussion in the world is just fucking trade shit. Let's just chop it up. I wanted to bring this up with you too because I saw a bunch of shit hitting the airwaves on Twitter today. And it's always nice to give fans of teams who aren't in the playoffs

something to talk about. But the top one for me that I want to talk to you both about is Dallas. Dallas, let me read you this, is facing a current cap space is about $1 million. Okay? Not very much. Not a lot of room, folks. They have Jason Robertson, who's about to be RFA, Michael Bunting, it's going to be UFA, Jamie Ben, only a mill coming off the books.

They also have to resign Maverick Bork. and that's pretty much it. Otherwise, it's kind of all like low minimum contracts. But with only a mill and Robertson currently making 7.7 and everything we're hearing is that he wants what Rantanin is making or more. What did Rantinan get? Rantin is making 12 million flat. So you're just a little under doubling what Robertson already makes.

Yeah. And I'm sitting here being like, you I they have to do something is right one million include the cap going up I think I no no no it doesn't

I found one that was hold on but I think the cap is not like what is it going up or here hold on here we go their cap space projected next year is 11 that's not even going to cover Robertson's contract

yeah and they probably have like four or five roster guys they need to fill other than that. So who on the team makes three or four and who on the team makes six or seven? Great question. So, you know what I'm getting here. I sure do. I sure do. Matt Dushain makes 4.5 for the next three years starting next year. Uh, Foxa makes two for two, well, let's say we're talking next year for two more years. Sam Steele makes 2.1. Um, I can get rid of him.

Nope. Esa Lindel makes 5.2. And, I mean, here's the big one. Harley, starting next year, makes 10.5. He currently makes 4. But starting next season, that jumps up to 10.5. So you've got Hayeskin and making 8.4, Lindel making 5.2, Harley making 10.5.

And Lubushkin making 3.25. Yeah. Well, I think it just comes down to, they got to make a decision on what they want to do with Robertson. Yeah, because he can get to them. I mean, that's the obvious answer, but it's also a complicated answer. It's a complicated question. Yeah.

Like there was such a long time where I was like, obviously you resign this guy. Dude, the Jason Robertson disrespect from his own team should be studied. It's unbelievable. I've never understood what happened. Not a day goes by without people talking about if they're going to sign him. But as we're looking at it, I'm genuinely like, I don't know how they sign him. Sure, truly. because he's, hold on, 26.

God, he's 26. He's 26 years old. So, like, this is his ticket. This is his seven-year deal. This is when he gets as much as he can possibly get. So, I mean, my, I mean, the Tyler Sagan 9.8 Mill is so brutal. Yeah. So brutal.

What happened to him again? He played. He played... He did, right? Yeah, is that what happened? I think so. I think it's actually better than, like, degenerative hip stuff, which... Well, I mean, the fact that matters, he's 34 years old, and let me read you guys this.

Because I love Sakes. Are you going to WebMD? Yeah. Is that what you're doing? According to Claude, it says that Sagan... No. Sagan's games played this year 27, the year before that 20, the year before that, 68. like he's

banged up he's a banged a lot of hockey he's played a ton of hockey he's been playing since he was 19 years old 74 games when he was 19 like he's he's played a ton of hockey but he is banged up

and he's making damn near 10 million year yeah you need something from him if he's gonna if he's gonna get that money because I don't think you're you're not trading that right like who is taking Tyler Shagin's 9.8 million dollars even like how many years does he have left

next year will be his last. Last. Yeah. I guess maybe if someone took half the salary or something, or if you kept half the salary, maybe you could be like, hey, yeah, if he can play. Listen, I'm not looking for answers. Can they LTIR him? Oh, probably.

If he's fucked. Yes. If it's that bad. If it is that bad, yes, they could. Yeah. But I haven't heard anything about them. But you still have a problem. Yeah, exactly.

So again, I'm not looking for answers from you guys, but it's just Dallas became such a fascinating topic for me because I'm like, I've said to you both, I think an Austin Matthews trade and a Connor McDavid trade should be absolutely sniffed by other teams in the league. Yeah. And Robertson's a pretty good chip. Yes, sir. If I am Dallas, I am calling Bowman yesterday and I'm offering Robertson hints and two first round picks for Connor McDavid. God, and hints.

Yeah, I mean, you have to. Yeah, true. Robertson's not going to get it alone. I wouldn't think. And I'm sure there's a lot of Dallas fans who would be like that's too much. But if you put Connor McDavid on that Dallas team, you don't think that they're probably getting past.

They're so good. God. Well, yeah, what is cool is there will be some sort of fireworks. Has to be. They just has to be. They just has to be. Because I think Robertson's camp has a pretty good argument to go, give me 12.

Someone will give me 12 if you guys. How many points do you have this year? He had 96. Yeah. And he missed a little bit of time too. Yeah. He had 96 and then he's had 45, 35, 35, 29, 46, 41 goals in the last five, that's his goals in the last five years. I'm like, he's unbelievable.

You can have $12 million for sure. So something will happen there. I actually am really interested in what the sharks do now that they got second overall. Like, do they pick again? Just take. Or they try to package that? you go, okay, let's move this for something massive and then like accelerate our playoff window. Because you have guys. Like even Mesa looked so good by the end of the year. I was like, do you need

another second overall pick? Well, I said that the ducks were one of the most fun teams to watch in the league. The sharks, I might take my take back. Yeah, yeah. Like, they're number two. Dude, we all, we joked about the sharks are, they are so trick-or-treat too. Like, they can beat, and we've talked to talk to talk about it all the time. They can beat any team in the league and lose to any team in the league at any given night. They were the most fun team. They were the most difficult team in the world to bet on. Yeah.

But they were such a fun team to watch. It's crazy. Well, I worked the broadcast with Chicago when they were playing. And so it was like, Bedsie versus Celebrini. And it was like, I was so giddy before the game. And I'm like, I'm just playing into this narrative. Totally. The former player in me, I was like, I can't stand that I'm thinking this way right now.

But no, they're fun. But back to the Dallas thing. So I think it comes down to it's like, do we utilize Robertson for a chip? Yeah, right. Or love that. Or do we keep him and gut the depth of our team? Yeah. That's hard.

Dude, right? It is hard because if, and this is the toxic thoughts, but you go, all everyone says is depth is how you win, actually, right? Like the bottom six wins playoffs. Top six wins, regular season games, bottom six wins, playoff game, playoff series, all that stuff. But I think if you're Dallas, you are struggling with, we've had the best depth for the last five years and we lose every time. So I could see the logic of going, you know what, screw the depth. Let's get a huge chip and try to win that way, which is doable.

Obviously, you can win that way, but it is crazy to kind of buck that trend that you've worked so hard to construct. Also, if you're in Jim Nell's shoes, like you say, all right, well, we've come up short, past, you know, X amount of years, right? I mean, probably six, seven. And they've been in the mix every year. We are in our window. Yeah, yeah. We are in our window.

And maybe he's thinking, I have to change something. Because clearly something, and I have to do something big. Marty, thank you for saying what no one else will. Yeah. It is, like, 100% that is correct. I'm just like spitballing if I'm him and thinking, like, we've come so close so many times. Like maybe this is the perfect opportunity where we have to make a big splash. I don't know.

I mean, I also say that and act like Brandon wasn't a gigantic splash. Hey, Douse, do something one time. It's like, holy shit. We got rain. But you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like they tried that. And yeah, maybe I don't know. That's easy for me to say I'm not sitting in that hot seat.

But it's like it's one of those centers, right? Like it's go get a, because I think you're both. I mean, we were talking this on text, but I think you're both right. That's where the headspace goes, where you go, okay, fine, fuck this. I'm going to go get Matthews or McDavid, and we'll see what happens.

Yeah. And I'm like, okay, that sounds awesome. Going back to the Ducks, because we were talking about how much fun there to watch. This is my last, I think, very fun topic here. I said, round one, we were watching Tampa play. Darren Radish, has obviously had a great year.

And for whatever reason, right-shot defensemen are fucking, like, gold. in the league because there's none of them. Radish just had a monster year is a UFA. And I was looking at the sharks. When we're talking about, do they trade the second pick? They need defense so bad. And I was like, oh, they're going to throw a bag at radish for sure they have to.

Then we're watching the ducks. And I did not realize this. The ducks have Goudis. They just traded for Carlson and Truba who are all UFA. Oh, they all are. Wow. All are? All are USA.

What's that dollar amount? They are 20 million bucks? 15? 20 on the dot. Eight for Carlson, eight for Truba and four for Goethearts. Sharp. Hey,

I said if there was one thing that I wanted to be, it was prepared. Fucking all. And I just got. This guy was an account. A outrageously lucky. Don't forget.

Yeah. Fucking math guy over here. Oh, yeah. But. Just a nerd. All of them are about to be UFA. But again, Carlson 36, Truba 32, Goudis 35, saw a report today that apparently Carlson and the Ducks are already talking about an extension.

You got to keep one of those. Have to. For the veteran presence. So what's interesting, looking at their lines, Truba plays with Lacombe. Second line is Carlson and Mitchikoff. I look at Lecombe. I think Lecombe is unbelievable. He's nasty.

He's nasty. And we talk about Taves McCar, unbelievable pairing. He's a horse, too. He's a fucking Clydesdale, Marley. He's a Clydesdale. Yes. There's not very many of them.

Like, I guess I'm biased because he's my buddy and was my D-partner, but like Alex Petrangelo was that. Yeah, Drew Dowdy is that. Like guys that you can ride for 25 to 30 minutes

and especially in the playoffs. And like, there's what, maybe like six or seven of them in the league, maybe? Yeah. I do what's funny? It's probably more like three or four.

Yeah. Well, What's funny is two of them are on Minnesota in favor of views. Yeah, they both fucking eat 30 a game. I'm like, what the fuck? But I look at that period. But Lecombe is like that. Absolutely.

And I was saying last night watching the game, I was like, they've got, if I am Verbeek, might be number one after resigning Leo and Cutter, who are there up, by the way. Okay. My number one objective is finding a guy to play with Lecombe for the next seven years. and as I was like, oh, San Jose should go for radish, that's another one where I'm like, not a bad guy to put to, he's, I think he's 29. Are you saying you give up that second overall pick for, right? No, no, no, I was going to say. No, no, no, I'm saying radish is probably someone the ducks are going to look at.

Right shot defensemen, they need someone to play with the colon. I didn't know if you meant like to trade his rights or something. Oh, no, no, no, no. Like that is no, no, no. I think radish is going to be a target, but I, I am curious because, I think they have 40 mil next year. 40 million, dude. But dude, you forget.

Got to sign some studs, though. Oh, yeah. I mean, you have RFA's in Cutter and Leo. And, like, I mean. We'll just call it half. Yeah, right? Half is gone. Like, half is gone to them.

But you still have 20. Yep, still have 20. Give it all your badge. Because you're probably not given those guys over 10 at that age, right? Or are you? You might give it to Leo. Yeah. I mean, Leo is like,

you know, you were talking about it last week. Like he's fucking, he is your franchise. By the way, I caught like flack online about that. So, do you see this? People didn't like the Kopitar comparison. And I'm like, take a compliment. It was hilarious.

Like, oh, well, he skates better. He's more offensively talented, this and that. And it's like, all right. I think it's like the recency bias. Like they don't. And like the whole, but I guess it was, Ducks fans so they should, but they inherently just don't like any L.A. King. It's like, what do you want me to say? You want me to call him Wayne Gretzky?

Like, yeah. Like, no, I thought that was a pretty damn good compliment. If anyone called me, Anj Kopitar and anything in life, I'd be like this. Score. Huge. Yeah. That is so funny. We talked about it. It's, it's a bunch of 24-year-olds who didn't watch Kopee play in the beginning. Like, they're, they're looking at Kopee from this past year. And they're like, he's faster than him. And I'm like, no shit. He's fast than him right now. But it is, yeah, like, Leo is your franchise guy. Like, that is, and what's also funny, we talked about this.

Verbeek literally went, he's like Anja Kopitar when they drafted him. Yeah, right. So I'm like, yeah. What the fuck. But the accounting major strikes again. It wasn't math, but similar. Yeah, nailed that one. I didn't know that.

So this is my question for you guys. Let it, let's say it's half. Okay. They give him 12. So then you have 18. Yeah. John Carlson is 36, but dude, he had, 60 points this year and was the 12th highest scoring defenseman in the league.

That's crazy. I don't think he's going to take that much of a haircut. He'll probably sign a two-year deal, maybe three. But like if I'm him, I'm not being like this, yeah, I'll take like $2 million a year. I think I'd be like, give me $8 again. Yeah, like I'm fucking nasty. Like, what do you think about that? You never know with him.

Like, he's made great money. But like, he is still a top defenseman in the league. It's hilarious. Yeah, he probably. I think he got, it's kind of what happened to Florida. Yeah, that's what I was right about to say. I think he maybe takes a little bit less. He probably sees the potential in that room and how much fun.

I bet you it's like you go into a room like that. It's young, it's invigorate. I mean, I don't know the guy I'm not in the room, but like you see that. And then all of a sudden, like, you know, you go to or you're in Washington forever, your mainstay, right? And then you get, whether it was a surprise or not, but Washington is where are they at, you know, like is over retiring, is not? They're a little bit in flux, and then all of a sudden you go to this young and up-and-coming team that is now all of a sudden in the second round.

Cuenville's here. Like, why wouldn't you want to stay? You're in Newport. You live in Newport Beach. Yeah, yeah, you're living at the beach after, yeah. 100% did. Living in the cold in D.C. for the past, you know, 15 years. It's crazy.

Yeah. I mean, I don't think that he takes, like, the hometown discount, but I don't think that he's asking for something crazy. Yeah, I think we're on the same page. He's got a family too, and then all of a sudden, you know. Right. I'll close it out with this because it is, when you hear the 40 million number, it's crazy. But the ducks have to, these are UFAs and RFAs that they have to deal with. Ross Johnson, UFA.

He currently makes 1.1. Yep. Not that big of a deal. Carter-Gote, RFA. Leo Carlson, RFA. Huge deals. Ian Moore, RFA. Here comes, yeah.

Then you have Jansen Harkins and Jeff Field, best player who is ever late. Do you have to pay Jeff B.L. 20 million. You have to pay Jeff Field with it's unbony, $20 million in your cap. So all of those guys. That guy's nasty. He's nasty, he's so much jam. It's unbelievable. We joke about it every game. I'm like, he's the most, he is so

impactful every single game. It's fucking mental. Who is he? He's like 29, isn't he? Yes, he is. He's like, I think he's going to get a good little deal. Like, he's a fucking very important player for his team. I did a breakdown of the game winner when they played Montreal and they're building at the end of the year. And I called them a young

guy and I felt bad afterward because I really thought he was, you know, and he's not old by any means, but like the, if anyone, like the spinnerama pass that he made to Cutter Gochay was so nasty. I'm like, how did he know this? He's like so impactful for them. It's unbelievable. Okay. And then John Carlson U.F.A., Jacob Truba U.F.A., Radca Gutus U.F.A., Pavill-Mitchikov RFA, Olin Zellweger RFA, and Tyson-Hinez. So they actually have no money. It's like they have so much money, but I'm like, they have to resign their entire team. So the ducks are going to be fun this summer

to see what happens. Yeah, but the RFA is like they're not going to, unless it's Cutter Goce, like they're probably not going to command. You just don't, it's simple like economics and negotiations, right? Correct. Correct.

Like, I mean, Gochay had, what, did you have 40 some? 41. Yeah, 41. Yeah. So him and Leo will, I would imagine. They will utilize this system. Yes.

Like I had an agent that told me, said the system is designed to give the teams the upper hand until you turn 27. Yeah. And once you earn that right, then the leverage flips. Yes. And so these teams aren't stupid. Actually, I know the guy who does it. You did all my contract. Jeff Solomon. Yeah. Yeah. No, but it is interesting. And I actually, just to go back to Lacombe, look, Lecombe was RFA too, and he signed his big ticket, starts at nine next year. It's very fascinating that Leo, Cutter, Lecombe, Olin and Pavel Minchikoff were all RFA's and the combs

the one they took care of first. Yeah, true. Because I think it's a test, I think all of them are going to be back, but I think it's a testament, again, to how good he is. Like that is like a... Force. Yeah, that's exactly it. They know that these guys don't come around. They know a horse when they see. Like they see that. They know a fucking horse with them. And they're like, you're going to play 30 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's like, he signs

that and they're like, oh, buddy. It's incredible. I'm going to ride you all the way to the cup, pal. It's going to be great. All right, I got nothing left. Those are the big ones that I really wanted to dig into. It's going to be a great summer. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Marty, it's always great to have you. Thanks for having me, guys.

It's great to have him for Netters After Dark. Yes. It's very quiet. It's very quiet in here. Tuck into these two games tonight. Have a blast. We'll keep chatting hockey all week. You know where to find us.

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