Empty Netters Podcast - Is Quinn Hughes Tough Enough To Win A Title? w/ James Wisniewski | EP.217

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

James Wisniewski is coming to you from the 9th green at Hidden Creek from the Pro Athlete Golf Tour. The boys finally sat down with Wiz to have a chat about what an elite defenseman looks like in today's NHL. Could Quinn Hughes be on the move? Can you win with a smaller blueliner? Plus, they share some hilarious stories of what went down over the weekend in Jersey. And the beer league hotline has inspired some stinky debate. NEW EPISODES EVERY TUESDAY & THURSDAY! PRESENTED by BetMGM. Download the BETMGM app and use code “NETTERS” and enjoy up to $1500 in bonus bets if you lose your first wager! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: True Classic. Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at trueclassic.com/[NETTERS]! #trueclassicpod 00:00 Intro 01:19 James Wisniewski 53:31 PAGT Stories 1:15:32 Beer League Hotline 1:24:23 Blind Ranking Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The coach would be coming in and whatever. He's stretching in front of me, middle splits with his chest on the ground. Chest on ground. Middle split. Fucking Christ. I'm like only my wife can do that. Ice is ready and we are back with another episode of the Empty Netters podcast brought to you by BedMGM. I am your host, Dan Powers.

And alongside me is a man with the flattest ass in hockey. Chris Powers. How are we doing? Oh, as always. What a disaster. What a disaster. Change the course of my whole career. Change the course of my entire career down. I'll tell you what. It was on blast this weekend at the pro-athlete golf tour where there was a bunch of hockey guys playing golf and every one of us had hockey butt and then there was you. And one of the great hockey butts with power, coursing through, coursing through right-handed one-timers is the one and the only James the Wiz. Wisniewski.

We've been dying to get him on the pod for a full interview. This isn't even the full interview yet. That is to come. But man, Wizz has a little third chair action. Fantastic. So we're going to kick it right to our chat with James Wuzniewski so you can hear that, enjoy that. And then we will get back into some of the fun stuff. But enjoy Wizz right now.

All right, we're here. Was this nine? Yeah, this is nine. This is nine. And the ninth green at Hidden Creek. Just finished round two. Wow, the sun also just came out. This is great.

Hey. Because we're not. even going to get into golf, but I will say incredible venue. This was a sick set up with all the, with everything they had for us. Honestly, it couldn't get any better. Insane. The, um, the establishments with like the hospitality. What a joke.

Servers. Everything has been next level. Food. I mean, chef has been incredible. Like, it just having, and then be able to like, you know, like the night golf and stuff like that, like just to be able to with the boys, you know what I mean? Like, you don't have to leave. We're here. The one's here. Like, nobody's around. And hey, is it true?

I heard one of the chefs was out with. you boys last night. I wasn't out last night. Oh, yeah. No, no, he went to bed at tent. Got rested up for the tournament. That's all time. You remember last year when we were barefoot golfing and you almost fucking murdered Giz?

Yes. Yes. That was awesome. He actually kind of, he always deserves it. Yeah. That was mine. No, no. Hey, now Giz is actually like, he's so cool.

He's doing like commercials with page and like chest bumping her and stuff. I'm like, he doesn't even answer my text anymore because he's so famous now. He's too big time. We're getting big time, but I get it. But, you know, whatever. Dude, we had a few off-season conversations that I wanted to hit you with. And as a great defenseman in the NHL, I want to discuss the style of defensemen that's taking over the league right now

with this, you know, the young. fast, puck-moving guys like Quinn, like Kail, like Lane Hudson, guys like that. And if we start on Quinn, before we even get into the shape of the league, do you think there is a world with all the rumblings where we see Quinn move and maybe join the brothers in New Jersey? And if so, does that destroy Vancouver? What do they need to get back for that? What do you see with that situation? If you want my personal opinion, I don't think you win a cup with that, that man.

Oh, interesting. This is okay. Now, now, now, now, now he is a fucking hell of a defenseman. Yes. I don't think he's next level to make you, now take a guy like Zach Werenski. Yep. He is next level. Yes.

You win with that, that guy. What's the difference in your mind? Yeah. Because I think people will look at that. Because you're going to see like they're somewhat the same player. You agree. But Zach is like 6'4, like 210. So it's, it is size.

Size a little bit. He's like, what, 5.10? Saying, I'm like, are we headed that way? And I'm not, like, listen, listen, like, I am not a ginormous person. I was 5.11 and a half. Yeah. Whatever, but I. They couldn't list you at six?

Yeah, can we get? Can we get that half inch? Half inch is so important. They couldn't list you at six? Literally, Chelly was like my ultimate, like, um, like idle growing up. And then he was like listed at six foot, like 195. Oh, you're much bigger than Shelley. I stood next to him.

I could eat an apple off the top of his head. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, how's this guy? This guy gets six foot. Can I not get 5'11? He gets 6 foot. I'm always listed 5'11. I might be the only person in history to actually went down. Yeah, yeah.

I'm actually not 511. I'm 511 and 5'8s if you actually really want to go deep into it. That's more than a half. If we're checking it at home. And I went downwards. That is bullshit. Is it libel or slant? There's something in print.

Like I think you need to sue the league. Like I heard you said you're like six inches, but it's probably five. Yeah, right, but you go up. Of course, dude, you go up. That's how the world works. We were having this conversation before we came down here, and it's like, listen, yeah, you, and I know Colorado won, so we'll caveat that, but you've got guys like Quinn, you've got guys like Kale, Adam Fox, Lane Hudson, these like guys that are winning the Norris Street. I know Lane hasn't won yet, but he probably will. All these guys that are the new shape of elite defensemen in the league.

you look at cup winners and they have guys like Gustav Forsling and Aaron Eckblad and they have guys like Shea Theodore and Petrangelo Seth Jones A Slavin type, I know they didn't win but like Jacob Slaving where I'm like okay that's who I want Slavin's not really the offensive type

You wouldn't even put him on the second power plate But like Is there a better shutdown guy in the league? How big is he? Six four Dude What I just talked about? What I just talked about? Exactly And it's also like

Is there a guy in the league that people don't want to be going down on more, probably not. He is such a shutdown guy. He's like smooth a skater. Yep. Makes a great first pass. I'm not saying that he can't contribute.

Yes. But like me and you talked about this privately and I'll say it on air. I don't think the Bouchard at $10.5 million is the right play. Yeah. If you want to fucking win, that is not the guy that you're going to sign to go to the next. level. You're eating up a ton of salary. You have dry-sidal and McDavid. And I'm not taking credit away from him by being like a really good offensive defenseman. Yeah. But he's eaten up 10.5 million of your salary where you could have a legit, if you needed, like, I need a power play dude, but he's not

that good other than that. Sign a $5 million dollar power play guy. And then you have five and a half million for a shutdown guy. Now you got 2D for one for the price of like two for price of one. And in the era where we're playing four forwards and 1D on the power play, like do we really need to be playing a defenseman of 10 mil a year to be playing PP with fucking Leon and Connor? Probably not. I would have 40 points in the NHL right now if I was playing with those two on the power play. How many second assists you would have? Just like here. Yeah. In your own zone ways. Do some cool. Literally in your own D zone, you just pass it to them on the And then they go, do, do, do, go ahead.

I pick the puck up behind the net, give it telling me on. Go around the net, pass it, backdoor tapping. You're sitting on the bench, you're like, like, fuck, I got a set to Nick. Second assist. I didn't even get a plus. Yeah, yeah. And I got a second assist. I'm on the bench, actually, and I got a second on that.

You're like, yeah, oh, shit. I got a second assist. Mine the score sheet on that one? Nice. But I even talking with my girls that were recruiting for Ohio State is they, like, what's your style of play? I'm like, the only time that you're actually. defenseman is off a faceoff. Other than that, if you want to go play forward, that shift, like in the offensive zone,

yeah. Our forward should no responsibility to be able to back you up. So what you're getting at, it's like three forwards and two rovers or three forwards, a rover and a defenseman. Like one of them stay at home, you mean, or something? Yeah, yeah, got you. So one of them stay at home defenseman and the other ones is kind of like a rover. I would say Werenski is as a rover.

I'll put it this way. Like him and Seth, like they broke my records in Columbus. Yeah. When I was like watching them, like, play, it was like 2019 or whatever,

they had a two on one. The two of them. The two of them. I was like, what the fuck is playing defense? Yeah, I was like, it was a two on one.

It was like, Wurinsky over to Seth goes, they scored. I'm like, what? It's a beer league game. That's what happens to Dan and I. That's what I'm saying.

And they make me play D and Virling. And Dan, I'm just like in the ozone. I'm like, what is going on? But like, that's the game now. Yeah. It's just skating and just you set up in the face off and then play. Well, let me ask you because I actually think that's a cool concept where it's like, hey, don't be so stuck to your spot.

But when you're coaching and in general, but specifically to your team, are you, do you have to tell the Rover defenseman know who's out there on forward, though? Because not everyone can cover back for you. or do you hold your team to that standard where you're like, you need to be able to cover back? That's a great question. Yes.

Yeah. But if you have those rover forwards, usually they're not going out with your fourth line or third line. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. If that makes sense. Yes, it does. You know what I'm saying?

So, but at the same time, they're probably playing against their top two lines. So. It's like, be careful, you know? Yeah. And I guess that comes with it just knowing the instincts. Like no one to go, no one to go. Just no one to go.

Yeah, I like that answer. It is interesting, though, because it's like this new D-man has taken over the league. But really, I'm racking my brain right now other than kale, which was that year specifically was insane when he won everything. But it's like those guys aren't winning cups. It's even if you go to Tampa, like Hedman, yes. We were talking about it the other day. I think since, what was it, Johnny? Since 2021, Hedman is.

is like third in the NHL in points. Is that true? Wow, that's epic. He's also one of the best shutdown guys in the league. How big is he? Big, six, five.

And then you also, you look at Washington, the year Washington wins. Carlson, great offensive guy, but he's also responsible. It's not the, you know, it's different.

And I keep saying about size. And it's not about like, I'm not talking about toughness. It's just sure mass. leaning on you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Not getting pushed around

in the front of the net. I'll play tough, but I'm 511. I'm 6 foot. I'm 6 foot. I play that like 208. Yeah. But I'm not 6.4.

220 and leaning on you. Yes. Yeah. I might play, I'm tougher than those dudes. Yep. Yep. But they're just fucking sure mass and their skating ability is so bad.

Yeah. So good. Like think about all those guys. Carlson. Um, headman, Jones, um, help me out here. Guys that are getting up in the rush. Yeah, well, just like guys that are just like kind of like both ways. Like, Petro.

Shai Theodore is a really good one last. You know what I'm saying? Like those guys are like like 6-2, between 6-1 and 6-4. Yeah. They're just sure size. Yeah, yeah. And just lean, like just strong, you know. I have enjoyed.

the, because growing up we went to a ton of college hockey games because we know from New England hockey East was so fun. It was a cheaper ticket for my parents. Werensky again, I think, I think Werensky might be if he wasn't in Columbus. Yeah, I would have given him the Norris this year. I've said, how many times I said that? I would have given him the Norse this year. If they'd made playoffs, I thought he should have been a fucking heart finalist. Yeah. Like that team being like, we're in the playoffs and Zach Rwrenski is dominating. Dominating. It was insane. Like if he was like on a big market group, yeah, yeah. He'd be talked about all the time. All the time.

So what I was going to say is watching college hockey young. Yeah, yeah, what does he got? Philip Polack. You guys can probably guess the order I'm going to say top five boysquers in 20-21. From a defenseman. One, Kale, two, Quinn, three headman? Three, three, three, Wurinsky. Because he didn't hurt, though.

He hasn't played as many games. He has so many injuries. Point per game, he'd be there. Oh, wow. Yeah, good for him. Fox is 6-1, right? Yeah. Six-one-ish.

yeah right yeah that actually he he he kind of did have negative like because they were talking about like him like because he was up in up in the uh honorable mention for norris uh like three years ago yeah yeah he won one you know and then it's yeah i mean like chely doesn't love him yeah he doesn't thinks he has square wheels and i know but he had a bad four nations yeah he might he might be like Fox to Shelley is like kind of my Quinn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just my opinion.

Like, dude, this kid is unbelievable. He's way better than me. I'm not saying anything. Yeah. I'm just saying as an all around game as a winner, I don't think that's your,

that's not your Zadano Chara. Right. Your number one D man. Chara and you're like, oh man, I'm going to. Next to each other. Correct. You're like, I'm going to put Quinn to shut you down. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, what? Yeah. So here's what I wanted to ask. I have enjoyed, the reason I brought up college, I have enjoyed the shift, at least on forward to guys being smaller, faster, there's less clutch and grab, and a Clayton Keller, a Jack Hughes can like thrive, whereas maybe in the 90s there just get beaten to a pulp and don't survive.

I worry, though, about the defensemen trying to make that transition where we're like, we can have a five, nine tiny waterbug defenseman. And I'm like, I don't know that that will ever work. really. I don't know. Again, we're going back to Scy. Again, yeah. Look at Florida's D. It was a wrecking crew. Eckblad Jones. What's that? I was saying, Seth. Mika La. Mikula. Like, but they all can move. Coolly. What I'm saying like, and then look at like when Vancouver struggled, you can't cancel, like they're on a smaller side. Yeah, yeah. You have to look at like your front end can, like, it should be like this.

It should be a download slope. Oh, I like this. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, think about like other than Barbrofsky because the guy's fucking dumby. Like, here's my stalemate for, dude, for four years. This guy, like, would do split. What were you saying?

Yeah, what were you saying he would do a middle split and then, and then fold this? During, like, so, like, literally, this is Bob. Yeah. And we'd be talking about, like, um, like the coach would be coming in and whatever. He's stretching in front of me, middle splits with his chest on the ground. Chest on ground. Middle split. fucking Christ.

Like, only my wife can do that. Dude, Wiz proposes to Bob. I'm like, I'm actually kind of like getting a little bit of blood flow going here. Especially when he gets the long hair gone too and it's flipping up. I'm like, don't look me in the eye. Don't look me in the eye.

With walks in the locker, he's like, Bob, you're looking pretty good today. But like Bob's like, but he's still six, six one. Yeah, yeah. You know, he's not tiny. God, is that? I thought he was actually tall in that. But again, if you look at like literally successful teams,

It's a down slope like that. Goley's 6'4. You know, and then your D are... Defenseman 6.3, 6.1, 621, 6, 1, 62, 61. Yeah, and then your forwards can be a little smaller. Yeah, that's fine, but if they're little water bugs, it's fine. Now, especially now. Especially now.

Because there's no clutching grabbing. Exactly. I'm not saying that you have a bunch of small guys, but I'm just saying, like, if your top player is 510, like, Crosby, 510, 511. Yep. You know what I mean? Like, those kind of guys, like, you don't need to be, six for like Joe Thorntons and like grinding.

Because it's, it's, well, it's just, it's the Bouchard point you made. And it's like, we're not dog in Evan Bouchard. But it is, the guy's way better than me.

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just saying, but I guarantee you right now, if you gave me two months of like, actually getting my fat ass in shape, I could run the fucking bar plate. Yeah,

I believe there's no question. I believe that. I believe that. I'm being serious because I got to skate like every day. I'm like, it's not like I haven't skated. Yeah. With the women's eye.

You give me, three months get in the shape. You're like, all right, tighten your shit up, you're fat fuck. And I'm like, okay. You know, like, all right, I got it. I got, okay, oh, okay. Like get, you're running our power pipe.

No problem. Yeah. So it's, but to that point, like you were saying, with the money breakdown, it is like, man, it's like we're given teams are given these, we talk about it all the time. It's this new standard contract for this type of defenseman. Charlie McAvoy is on this deal.

That's another... How big is Maccoylegged. How big is McAvoy? Six-two-two-twenty. Yeah. Laying out McDavid at four nations. Changing the whole game. Do you get what I'm saying?

Yes, I do. You get this concept again? Like I said, it's a slope like this. Yep. It's a slope like this. Then do whatever you want. Do whatever you want. Whatever.

Yep. I mean, I'll say you can be tiny, but like, you know, like you guys are fine. You get the blend. You get the forward. Yeah. But yeah, it's like we're seeing this type, it's like that 9.5. right? Noah Dobson just signed it. All these guys are on a similar deal.

Kandre just signed it. Dahlene, he's gonna. I don't like that deal. You're worried about that one, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like that deal at all. But he does add toughness because they have fucking zero toughness. Yeah, they got boldest shit. And he's big.

He's tough as shit. I think people don't realize how big he is. He's six four. He's huge. I agree. That's what I'm saying. I don't think that's what I'm saying. that guy's

when he signed that he's probably laughing at his agent you know what I mean like ha ha got him yeah got you bitch he was like with a ski match

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah give me seven for 49 they're like okay you're like what holy shit I thought they're gonna count it I was kidding yeah you know we all laugh about

Darnell Nurse signed his deal and that I think a lot of Edmonton fans are like that's a bad deal whether it is or is not but that kind of shit too. And that set this standard.

It's like this is the deal that all these guys are fucking signing. Yeah. Always. Yeah, grab that. Grab that. Grab that. Grab that. I just wanted to say, because we were talking about this the other day, Jackson Blake just signs long term. Keandre Miller long term. Carolina is signing long term guys to keep players. Yes. Like that's a trend too, right?

Yes. Stank of it. The last few years now has had this narrative that guys don't want to stay. So all these contracts that they're signing are guys per term. So they stick around and stay there. Yeah, try to build something. So who was the Who was the, their four that they signed for?

Eilers. Eilers. Yeah. How many goals do you have? He had 30. No, no, no. No, Nikolai. Who are you talking about?

The guy who was on their team or they're a free agent? No, their free agent. Yeah, Eilers. Did he do you have 26? Yes, sir. I think he had 30. I think he had like 31 and 33. His playoff goals I know are very low.

This year? Yeah. I'm guessing 26, 27. I thought he had like a 31, 33 year. Nope, it's 26. 24. Wow. Okay, guys.

Look at this guy. dude. Come on. Guys. I'm usually the stock guy. Guys, guys, guys. Who's their free agent that nobody has signed right now? Jack Rossovic.

Fucking 22 goals. Yeah. You signed this motherfucker for 49 million. You could probably re-sign Roscovic with 22 goals. He had two more goals. Yeah. That's insane. That's insane.

First seven and a half million and then you let him go to free agency. They get caught up in social media hype. It's insane. I'm serious. Hold on, hold on, hold on. If, like, that, that's not Nick's career high. He's a good player. No, I get that.

And he's going to have a good year, but you are right. But Jack had 21 or 20 the year before. Why are you not bringing him back? And at one year deal and they got 22? I guarantee you he would have done a four year at four million. Yeah. And now you're laughing. Because he's like, 20-something goals at four million.

And like think about how tradable that is if you need to do it. That's so tradable. Like, why aren't we doing more deals like that? It's crazy. It's fucking crazy. I don't understand it. Like, no, no, you fucking go to free agency. I'm going to sign this guy with 24 goals for seven and a half.

Yeah, yeah. It's nuts is, it's every team. What? And it's every year. Like, again, we're not sewer on any guy because it's a word, like we say, right, get your money. I love it. The tanners you know deal in Boston. The best trip in the world is when you're on, when you're on the ice.

It's like, fucking Wisnuski, you're the most overpaid player. I'm like, thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate that. I appreciate that so much. So funny. It's like, best serve to hear.

Do you want me to be the most underpaid player in the world? Nope. Yeah. It's fucking great. I'll take this. I'll take this. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

Okay. My family appreciates that. So we're talking about Werenstki and Columbus of, let's kind of go through divisions. I think we are, we are exiting this era that was, especially in like, Heavy East? Yes.

In the Atlantic and the Met, there were teams that were like, They ain't going anywhere. Heavy East. But now we saw Montreal make the playoffs last year. Washington, Boston, Tampa, like all these teams. Pittsburgh. Yep.

They're getting older. Of the teams. Hold on. Hold on. Do you mind down? Please. Please. We're signing. I want to hear.

We're signing in fucking NHL history. Eric Carlson to fucking Pittsburgh. God. And do. You have Latang doing the same fucking thing. And that was Dubis's like big movie. Where was? Like he came in.

This is why would you, why would you sign Eric Carlson. You have Latang doing the exact same thing. This is why I've been saying he's got to be on here. We said this exact same thing. What are you doing? When they made that trade, I went, that's the worst trade. I've ever seen in my entire life. Pittsburgh fans called me the biggest idiot.

They were like, take this fucking losers' mic away. And what have they done since? Miss the playoffs every fucking year. What? Listen, Eric Carlson, again, way better player than I ever was. But I'm just saying, like, why would you, a huge sign? for no, like you have LaTang. Again, you're on the power play

with Crosby and Malkin. It was just, and for that money, whiz. That's what I was saying. I was like, are you nuts? You just coughed up 10% of your salary cap. For a player you had already. Also making seven. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's 20% for the same guy. When they did their, like, God, Jesus. When they made that trade. It wasn't like slated. Did San Jose retain on that a little bit? I don't care I'm pretty sure their cap hit is 10 mil

I think he had an $11 million contract If they were to like sign like a slaving For that kind of like 100 Duh Because you have Littang and slave it And the best part was Wiss It was Dubis coming in from Toronto He was like I'm going to take some time away from hockey for a little bit

That immediately signs in Pitt And his big first move is trading for Eric Carson To try to save the end of the cross beer So you do that, and then they have their big, we're bringing back all the boys. Like, Crosby signs in the same deal. They bring back Malkin. They bring back Lattang. All these guys making so much.

Cool, just finished last in the Metropolitan. Like, they literally almost. I'm not going to lie. They didn't finish last in the Mets. Did they literally? Buddy, they were, they were fighting horrible. San Jose retained $1.5 million. Yeah, he's on an 11.5 million.

What a joke. But it plays 10, but they still pay 10. We're talking about that. People are right now, they're being like, yeah, we're trying to trade him. And I'm like, to who? Like, unless he is like, yeah, I'll go and play in Chicago and die. Right. Yeah.

But, like, he's like, I want to win a cup. And I'm like, remember when Phoenix was just like eating up like Pavil Datsuk's fucking salary? Yeah, yeah. He's over in Russia playing that. I forgot about that. Like, people are trained for Shay Weber's dead deal. He hasn't played in 10 years. It was like literally Pronger and Dadsook.

Phoenix is like, yeah, we're stacked. I'll take it. No, they're not playing for you. We just need to get to the salary for them. So funny. It looks amazing now, though. Like, Seth Jones being paid $7 million. Now winning a cup, he's a $10 million player.

Correct. Yeah, Chicago has $2.5 million retained. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's crazy now. Billy Zito is doing a good job. But that's what I keep saying. If anyone is going to trade for Carlson, they need to retain 50% at least.

Because he is going to say, I don't see Eric Carlson. It won't be 50%. If it's going to be a cup team, it's going to be, you're right. It's going to 50%. Like, think about it. Because here's my thing. Eric Carlson's not going to Chicago. He's not going to go, yeah, let me just go die somewhere for two years.

I just think he wants to win. He never has. I get it. You know? So if he's saying that. He's thinking, like, I got Balkan, Crosby. I'm going here.

Yep. That's what he thought. Good for him. Yeah. Great defense. I mean, I just, I'm just saying like, listen, Eric, I'm not talking about like you as a player. I'm talking about, like, the signing because you have Latent. You know what I'm saying? It's just opposite. It's opposite. Just go to a different, like, you already have you. Dude, well, to circle it all the way back to your Bouchard point, I never get when a team has a McDavid and a dry saddle, a Crosby and Malkin, you aren't lacking for offense at all. So I'm like, why are you trying to get a defense? Why are you like, we need more offense from the bat? I'm like, no, you actually need to play D. This is, this is pointless to say. This is pointless to say because it's done and they signed him. I said right after the cup, the smartest thing, Ed, Ed,

could do is trade Evan Bouchard. The value that he had as a restricted free agent because of exactly what he's been saying and we look at the problems that's keeping them. Somebody else can do his job without like half the price. I think I thought they could have got an immense return. Okay, I'll give you an example. You sign Evan Bouchard,

but you can't cite Cory Perry for two million? What the fuck? You let Warren Fogel go. You lose Holloway and Broberg. Warren Perry might have been their best forward. Yeah, special playoffs. Yeah, exactly. Special playoffs.

And I'm not saying he's asking for 5 million where it like eats away. He wants a whole money, yeah. Two. But it's, I'm also, it's situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I just don't understand. It's crazy.

I don't understand like. It's situational too, right? Because I'm not saying, oh, Evan Bouchard's not good for that. He's amazing for that team. But the problem is Leon's making fucking 13.25 million. Connor's making 11 and a half or whatever, and he's about to make 15.

Minimum. So it's like, you. You just, there's, oh, there's only so much. I don't care how much the cap's going up, guys. There's only so much money. We've never seen it until, what, this last year, no team has won with someone making $10 million or more than $10.5 million. That's obviously going to change.

But you've got now three guys making more than that. And you've also got nurse making nine and a half. It's like, they needed, they needed to make smart decisions. And they're a well-run team. They've been in the cup the last two years. got two of the best three players in the world on their team. Yes, but they aren't winning. So there needs to be something that has to be done.

You guys would know better than me because I haven't looked at like, you know, like I obviously watch hockey or whatever. But like was there a somewhat offensive defenseman and free agent that's like five, six million dollar player on the market? This past summer. This past summer. It's a great question. My point is, could you trade Bouchard?

for a first round pick and a good grinding, third line, whatever. A guy that I, when you keep saying this, a guy that I think about who, if you put him on Edmonton's, Shane Gostaspeer. Put Shane Gostaspeer on that, Edmonton. He's left-handed. It's a problem. That is a problem. It's a very, very good point. Bush is right-handed.

And then you have McDavid, right-handed, boom. You know what I mean? That's a very good point. That's why I was kind of highly tall. Like, right-handed. Dude, it's actually such a crazy thing. So, like, literally, right-handed defensemen are highly touted. But I understand.

But I'm just saying, was there a $5 million defenseman on the market-ish that I'd be like, fuck. We have to trade him, but we can sign this guy four years, 20 million. Yeah, none that I could think of. No. None this past summer that were on the market. So there wasn't. But literally, you had to be fucking Ray Charles in order not to run that fucking power plant in Edmonton.

I agree. But you're like, eh. Go ahead. Oh, I'll be a relief pass. Here, Dreisidel. Easy. Oh, shit. Here, Big David.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, no, I'm with you. I'm kidding. I'm a fat old dude. Give me two months I could run their powerplay the whole year. I'm not going to disagree with you. Swear to God, I could run their power play. I'm not going to disagree.

I just go like this here, McDavid. Yeah. Oh, one timer? Bam. Hammered. You know what I mean? Yeah. Easy.

Easy. So I passed to Nick David or I pound a one timer. That's pretty sick. That's not. Yeah. 10 and a half a million dollars and it's just my opinion like I said I'm not dogging on him I'm talking about the contract for the team yes he's situation he's unful believable player he's unreal I'm just talking about for the team it's not good dude he's way better than me whatever

like like way better than I ever what like he's unbelievable but I'm just saying for the team for money to win yep I don't know if that's the best I think we were saying it on the bus right like they got they only got him for four years at that. If they had signed him for eight, I'm like, okay, like this is too much now, but at least you have term. They got rinsed on both ends, more than they should have paid him for way less years.

So now I'm like, so now he fucks you again in four years. Yeah, that's the problem. That sucks. Guarantee you, if he doesn't win, he's fucking gone. Oh, yeah, also turned, by the way. And then signing, because the salary caps is probably

it'll be like four years for 12 minutes. That's what I'm saying. And if Connor sticks around, he's obviously going to sign, like I said, do you think it's going to be a question? Do you think, do you think, do you think, Edmonton's going to have a duplicate Wayne Gretzky type. They trade away

to two best players to ever live. I really think it I honestly, let's talk about this. I think this is going to happen. I have said so many times, and this is not because we live in L.A. Let's talk. Who do you think he's going to go for? If we saw the King's Ransom Part 2 and he got traded to L.A., it would be the greatest thing to happen to the NHL

in 50 years. It would be it would be the greatest story of all time. It's not the riots in it. Literally, except the riot. Edmonton would cease to exist. They would recover from that. I'm serious.

You can't. I'm being serious. I think they would have riot. Yeah, yeah, me too. Because, dude, the whole city burns out. This might be the most ignorant statement of all time because Wayne won how many cups there? Three. In the oil is four.

Four, four. Yeah. Wayne won four. Yes, one. Yeah. Yeah, one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right.

That's what I was thinking. Yeah, that's right. So, Wayne wins four cups there. He's the golden. on obviously. But they lost of Montreal or whatever.

There is a world where I think you could make the argument that as far as the stakes because they haven't won Connor might mean more to the city of Edmonton than Wayne did. Oh, I see what you mean.

Because like Wayne left to have it happen again. Right? Wayne left, they dipped into obscurity and they straight up were there. I know what was that? 2004, 6th when they went back to the hurricanes. Yeah.

It would be like our Lord and Savior. It would be like our Lord and Savior coming back and dying again. Exactly. Yeah. So I can't have it happen. If he leaves when they're on like the cusp of maybe being relevant again, it might be more catastrophic. Like it would be hard-fied. I think there would be that.

No, I think it might be. I think it might see. And these guys also Wayne, and I know he won like a million MVP's and shit, but Wayne, they never had to watch Wayne win. He never won again. If Connor goes somewhere and wins a cup. They trade Connor to Tampa. Two to three cups.

They will, it'll be all over. It'll be, yeah, dude. Connor gets, see you later. He gets traded to Dallas. Yeah, bang. They win the Stanley Cup. He's like, I'm gonna throw up. He's a poor, poor guy, because he's fucking unbelievable dude.

What a stick, too. And, oh, God, is he fucking good? He's so good. But penalty kill block shots. I'll have 80 points and still, motherfucker you all the game. And I apologize for knocking you the fuck out on that hit in Islanders. I apologize for Jamie, but you had your head.

head down on the boards. And guess what? He never fucking said anything to me. Like, that was a dirty hit. Like, dude, you just were like, I had to hit you. Yeah, yeah. Not my fault.

That's your fault. But literally, like, that's, like, that's my jam. Yeah, dude. That's how I build a team room. I love that. That's my jam. Yeah. Hey.

Now he might be like a second line centerman now. Now for sure. That's your fucking leader. That's who you fucking rally upon. Same with like Sam, like Bennett. Well, I think he just said that, right? Like Bennett? Yeah.

Barth, like literally that whole team is like Two-way The Panthers are made in a lab dude, It's a joke

It's insane They play hard They're big They're physical Loochich Thornton Horton was even A fucking beast

Yeah Yeah you said Thornt Chara Kelly was kind of a many sides To say McQade McQade I'm like Jesus Christ

Like Ferrence was a fucking animal Ferrence is tough Yeah Like I Chay Knight, Shane Knighty was on the team.

You know what I mean? Like, it was like... And Kevin Miller came in for a bit. He was a fucking animal. He was a freak. They were like, all right,

we'll beat you on the scoreboard. Heavy D. Do you guys want to do this too? Yeah. Yeah. Like they were like, that's like, to me that's like my old school.

I love that kind of team. You know what I mean? Like, just like, all right, we'll beat you on the ice. You guys want to fuck around? Or actually, if you get up three nothing,

you better not make it four because shit might get weird. Yeah, fuck. That's awesome. But okay, so what I was getting at, if we look at divisions and kind of like these teams coming up, I feel like the Atlantic. Yeah, that's how that's hilarious. Oh, my bad. No, no, this is when the show gets, is the best.

If we're looking at the divisions, in the Atlantic, I kind of feel like it's Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit, who are trying to come up. In the Met, it's probably what, Columbus and. Columbus didn't really make any big moves. But they're so young and they're so young. getting the beds out of it's so sad because if you think of like johnny goddrault and that team like the way they play oh the way they rally behind that but but but but so sad if they i mean i i've said a million times they got to make a trade for a goalie uh but you've got guys like kent you've got brindley there now to or did brindley just get dealt he just got dealt you'll think elvis can

you'll think Elvis can do it i don't i think he could maybe get them into playoffs but that's it i but i i think they're on the come up like they want to make playoffs next year right And then in the central, what? Utah is trying to get in. And yeah, yeah. In the Pacific, Utah. Not a fucking chip. We've got the ducks who are getting way better.

So it's like, what are these, of these teams? I'm interested. Who are you buying the most stock? I'm actually, I'm interested to see how Quinnville is going to motivate. Me too. They did some really good fucking moves. I think the ducks make playoff here. If you actually look at their lineup, you're like, God damn, they're fucking good.

They're gross. They're gross. And Doe's all sick. Their left side D is so young and so good. Who dies in the Pacific, though? Vancouver. Okay, so like, because you got Oilers, this year. Sorry, Roberto.

Roberto, I love you. I know you're spending a lot of money on that team. Aquilini is a buddy of mine. I'm sorry, but you're, no. And L.A. No, there's Kings Vegas. Vancouver owner. No, no, sorry.

But I'm saying, like, you don't eat, none of those you're going anywhere, right? L.A. didn't do anything. After the top three, it's wide open. After the top three. You try to be that. Vegas, Kings, Edmontton, and then it's wide. And then you try to be the wildcard team.

right there. Someone, not me. Not me. Not me. I think Anaheim's going to be the sneaker. I think Anaheim's going to be like... I think they're going to get in? Yeah, I agree.

I could see them also getting it as a fifth. I was a wild card. No, I think they might go above L.A. L.A., yeah. Really? Yeah. A lot of people are saying that. Also, not me, but there are some people who are saying that because of the turmoil,

quietly Edmonton could miss playoffs. I don't think that's possible. If you have Leon and Connor, there's no way they miss playoffs. But also remember two years ago, they were literally the worst team in the league through 20 games. Yeah. It's, you know. Well, all the, how healthy they get. Yeah.

I'm just saying, like, how do you do, like, game seven, game six? And then you come back, you're like, all right, we got it this year, boys. How could you possibly? With a straight face. With the same goalies, the same thing. Yeah, like, same dudes. You're like, yeah, you're going to turn it around. We got it, though.

Remember that? I don't know if you saw it was there was that clip. Like, duck hooking every drive. You're like, no, you got it. This one. Yeah, this one's going straight as an arrow, boy. Right down the cock. And you're like, yeah, I bet, buddy.

Probably not. There's that clip. I don't know if you've seen it from. They kept playing it this year of Hyman in the locker room after the last year where he's like, he's like, boys, this is the worst feeling in the world. I'm telling you, we're going to be right back here. And they did get back to the cup and they lost in one last game. Yeah, back to that same exact feeling.

And it's like, yeah, we were right back here. And you wonder, like, if you're that team, how do you sit there right now and go? Dude, it's hard. We're going to be right back here, boys. We're talking about rest, too. Like, don't forget, like, these guys play the longest summer. It's the fucking balls out.

hurt as fuck dude June something and then you're like it's not right in the high like the Florida Panthers are like at 11 at 11 until 5 a.m. Dude 500,000 dollar tab picked up you're like what? Yeah we know these guys are like no

yeah yeah yeah we had Sam Bennett on the show last week and you know it's like they were on their fucking party rip then he had his wedding and then Matthew Kachuk's wedding like two weeks later and I kind of as a joke, I was like, have you even been on the ice? And I was like, being like, of course, he hasn't. He's like, no.

I have. And I was like, yeah, you have no time. You've literally had no time. Most NHL guys don't start skating until like July 20th. Oh, okay. I think of August even. Yeah. Yeah, or August even.

Like, you're, get the fuck away. Yeah, whatever. Some of them are psychos, though. I mean, like, top is a lunatic. Like, top's been on the ice every day. All the end of playoffs, though. Yeah, but all the players now are also like, three months off.

But also, take a break. Get back on. But also all the guys are like fucking nerds though. Yeah. They're like playing PSB and shit. What else they do? I'm like, don't you want to drink on the beach? And they're like, no.

I want to say. And they went to B.U. during the Four Nations way to skate. I'd be like, hey, do you guys want to go for like a drink? They're like, no. No. I'm like, what? Do you mean alcohol?

And I'm like, yeah. Yes. Yeah. They're like, no. Do you want to have fun with your friends? And they're like this, no, I want to. I Uber eats to my, at the four seasons. And I'm like, what?

Go to a restaurant. You don't go to like Rousse Chris, Morton's and all this, like, cool stuff? Let's have a glass of wine. They're like, no. Wine's gross. Like, do you know the oil? That's alcohol. I can't drink for like 72 hours before a game.

I'm like, really? Holy shit. I was more like seven hours before a game. Just kidding. Just kidding. Can we rewind for one second? Because I feel like you'd have a really good like story or answer to this. But, you know, you guys were talking about Anaheim like a minute ago.

And you played for those like Blackhawks teams like right before they broke through. And this Ducks team is right there with Quimville. With the same coach, yeah. Like, when did it, like, did you know before, because you got dealt that year, right, in 2009? Yeah. So did you know that they were, like, right about to become what they were? Like, I feel like the Ducks might have that similar timeline. Yeah.

Yeah, it was actually kind of sad because, like, everybody we grew up with, like, literally, Buflin, Brower, Seabro, Keith, Colin Frazier, Adam Burrish Ben Eager Like Craig Adams And got got traded But like Taves, Kane Lads on that team

Crawford LAD Oh How that was before that though Okay But my point is like all those guys Like we all played a little bit Like going into the From the minors

Into like Into like Chicago And I went from like Playing in Chicago go, we used to mess around being like, oh, looks like it's just like a seat day today. Yeah, yeah.

Because you look around, it was like, fucking empty. And I'd be like, oh, 18,000 fans, I'm like, fucking wear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they go like this, we sold out. And I'm like, watching, watching it home. There's 18,000 fans watching the TV. We were joking. Because literally, like, like, hold on, that is such an underrated joke.

Yeah, dude. Like that. Yeah. There's just the Nielsen rating. Dress like, it's a dress like a seat day today. Yeah, yeah. And we come out on Sundays at 5 p.m. Because we always do like Sunday. That's like a Chicago Blackhawk thing. Like Chicago gets Sundays 5 p.m.

And then most of the time we have Mondays off. So then we always would go to Stanleys, like the bar. Yeah. And so we'd come on the ice and be like, Jesus, fucking dress like a seat day today, I guess, boys. So good. All right, here we go. You know what I mean? But yeah, so the guy's like talking shit to me in the upper thing.

I'm like, yeah, fuck you too. You're like, I heard that. I heard that. I tried to get it through. Like, shot got blocked. You know what I mean? Like, literally. And then...

He's like trying to hide. You're like, you're the one guy up there. Yeah, yeah. But then we drafted Taves, Kane, and we just started, like, going like this. Yeah. But then it was almost to the point where, like, we were so stacked, but I wanted to my career to get elevated. Yeah.

I asked me, train. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You go, well, actually what happened was they signed Brian Campbell for the big money there, like seven years, seven million. When they had me, Keith, Seabrook, they signed a offensive defense. Was Hammer there yet? Yarmulson? No.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was Matt Walker, Keith, Seabrook, myself, Hammer, Sopold. Oh, yeah. You've read sople? Right. You've read soble? So you know what I mean?

Like it was just kind of like cramped a little bit. Like I didn't have a place, really. So like I asked for a trade. And then so then, you know, I got trade at Anheim. And then we got, we lost in the game seven to Detroit second round. Christ, yeah. And that was a fucking rip of a series. Holy shit.

And then they played Chicago. And then they beat Chicago the conference finals. So the following year is the whole me hitting Cibro. Oh, fuck. That was... Yeah, it's right. So supposedly, then the following year,

like, they're like, we're not going to sign it. You want to underserved a free agent, like you're too expensive, whatever. So Bob Murray told me, he goes, we almost traded you at the trade deadline for Cam Barker,

but they wanted too much. They wanted, they wanted you in a second round pick for Cam Barker. Yeah. And I'm like, Fuck you, dude. You should have just traded me for Camarker, and I wouldn't want a cup. I would have went back home, but that hit was after the trade.

Yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah. Fucking hell, that's crazy. I got suspended for eight years. Sorry, Steve, I love you, but. So, yeah. That's wild, dude. Holy shit. That's one of my favorite things about the sliding door stuff of the NHL guys' careers.

You never, like, you never hear, you know, but it's like so many different pathways that almost took place. Nuts. It's crazy. It's the funniest one. I don't even know if we have time for it, but we can wrap it up with it. You told us the story last year on the way home from this.

The fucking, the deal that almost should have happened in like your last contract of your year, you got like fucked out of a ton of money. Wasn't it like, you were talking about some guy who fucking signed with Edmonton for like the fattest contract ever.

I'm trying to remember what it was. He was on the plane, eh? And it was, yeah. Actually, I think you might be making this up. Wait, I got more money, do? No, it wasn't like someone fucked up a deal or anything, but it was like, we were talking about you, someone was trying to sign you.

Well, Columbus, so I wanted to, like when, this sounds really, when the, the Swedish defensemen signed in Buffalo for 10 years, 40 million. Who was it? Eler. Swedish defensemen signed in Buffalo. Ellen?

No, no, no, like 20 million. 2011. Yeah, I don't know. So it was me and him were like the top touted, like, do you mind look at him up? I fucking piss me off right now. Swedish defense from Ellen, L. L. L. Lers. I feel like I have to know this. We'll figure it out.

It was 10 years 40 million. He's signed in Buffalo. And then he's like the first year was 12 million. Yeah. With like a $10 million signing bonus. Airhoff. Yeah. Oh, well done.

Nice. Airhoff, yes. Yeah. He's not Swedish. He's German, isn't he? I don't know, but he's not big of a contract? Ten years, 40 million. Wow.

With Buffalo. And it was... What's crazy is that? It was front-loaded, like crazy. Like, 12 million, 12 million. Yeah. And then it was like the last, like, four years were like 500 grand. Yeah, yeah.

That was when you could do that. Yeah, right. And so I was like, Columbus, I was like, I'll... Give me that. I'll take 45 million for 10 years. And they're like, no, we'll give you that. And I'm like, no.

Fucking. Fuck. Yeah, fuck. I just luck because I got bought out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit, dude, that's awesome. Like, because you're thinking, like, you know, no, I'm 32 years old, 33, I will sign another four-year deal or whatever. Nope.

But that's maybe what I'm telling. Yeah, I think that's a fucking great story, first of all. But I think it was something like, it was towards the end of your career, there was, I remember it being, like, I remember it being, like you almost signed with a team for like one year. Do you want me to get somebody like somewhat fired? Yes. Yeah, sure. So the GM of the Tampa Bay Lightning.

Yep. The French dude. Oh, I think this is it. I think that. What's that? Like the guy who's now. He's a. He's a.

Breezeba? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I sign with ACC or C. Sorry. C.A. Yeah.

BCC. This is. This is it. This is the story. CAA. And my agent was like, when I got bought out, because I got, I tore my ACA, I was done. And this is the story. Yeah.

So he was like, I didn't get any, when I got bought out, I got nothing in free agency. And I'm like, what the, like, what the fuck? I'm 32, like, 33 years old. I'm like, I'm in good shape. Like, I just tore me a ACL. Like, give me a chance. Nothing. And then Tampa Bay offers me a PTO, but he gave me a, this is a story.

This is the story. It says contract in the, like my agent says you have a contract in the, in the drawer. 750,000 one year, yeah, one way. Because I'm like, I'm not signed a fucking two way contract. Like I'm done with that shit, like whatever. And so I'm like, fuck like, like, all right, I guess I'll sign that. And then Edmonton comes in. This is McDavid.

It's the second year. I remember this now, dude. This is a big, or, yeah, McDavid. It's second year. And the old coach for San Jose, that was, he was the head coach in Evanton, McClellan. McClellan. Call me, he goes, you need to come to, PTO, you need to come to Evanton, you need to come,

you need to come. And I'm like, can you guys offer me a contract, the jury? He's like, that's not legal. But like, we have the best player in the world. We have nobody. we have nobody just come but like Tampa Bay at that time

was like you have a deal cup runners yeah oh right true dude because they lost in the finals year before to fucking like the Chicago that's right yeah

so they're like we Eisenman wants a right-hand defenseman like I'm like well my agent says like I have a you know a deal in the drawer and then I get there that was during the World Cup thing

and that Russian that was holding out. Oh, dude. Was holding out. And then I got hurt. But then they signed him for a one-year deal for guess how much, guys? $750. $750.

And I got released the next day. Dude. And you said no to Edmonton, right? You were like, so. This is what I was saying. We were saying, like, if you had gone there, you would have fucking let the world on fire. They were giving you a $5.25 million. That's what I was talking about.

And then. And, let's win the cameras around? Yeah. And then, and then, and then guess what? Guess who they signed for a PTO that's still playing? No, dude. C.C.

C.C. Coney C C. That's right. Yes. That's who they signed for you. That would have been you. He would have signed a five-year deal. He would have gone there.

He would have fucking lit the world on fire when they had nobody. And McDavid had 100 points that year. They made it to the second round even. They made the playoffs and Tampa Bay didn't. Oh, dude. I'm his mad. Now that I remember the details, I'm as mad now as I was when I first heard this. But that is one of the...

It's because it's a specific what-if. Oh, my... And the reason it didn't happen is awful. Awful. Awful. It was just because of... Yes. Cunt.

Yeah. Fucking cunt. Yeah. Like, that's ridiculous. That's it. Oh, my God. He's just signed another big contract. Yeah, I sure did.

That's what I'm saying. Dude, that's been... With L.A. You'd be busy. You'd be playing. Or I might just retired right now. Someone... 41 years because I'm fat now, but like, yeah, whatever.

Cody is the best, but I think Cody just signed four years, four and a half. But like, by four and a half years. It's like, yeah. You can't sign four and a half years. No, no, no. I'm saying it was like he got released PTO and then he's still playing. And I am not. But anyways, I got to head to the airport.

Yeah, let's go. I was going to say, let's go. Let's go. Love you, too. But yeah, we'll see you again. Huge shout out to Wizz. fantastic stuff. Can't wait to have him on more often. It was great having him snap it around. He's just, he's a lightning rod, man. It's fantastic. Oh, dear. One of my, one of my favorite dudes

that we've ever got to meet. It was been so fun getting to know him because we met him at this tournament last year. So, uh, just what it, what are funny actually, hey, look at like that. Like, what a year. What a year of whiz. Um, incredible dude cannot wait to have him grace the mic more often with us. Truly amazing. We're going to take a quick ad break and then be right back. All right, babies, you already know that I'm going to talk to you about BetMGM. Without a doubt, the best betting sports book in the game, the best partner in the game. BetMGM is bringing you all the action no matter what season it is. Yes, we're a hockey show. We love hockey. We love sprinkling action on all the hockey games. We love those empty net bets. But they've got us covered wherever we are. It is the off season. We've got things going in every department you could ever imagine. Me, myself, I was sprinkling some action on BetMGM on the MMA, the UFC fights with. We've got things going in every department you could ever imagine. Me, me myself, I was sprinkling some action on bed MGM on the MGM on the MMA, the UFC fights with. Jason Demers this weekend. We won a little bit of money. We had some great stuff. I think we were four for four through the first four bets, all with great stuff on the BetMGM platform. Fantastic. And we've also got Big Fly Friday right now. You pick the guy in the MLB who hits the longest

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I know you're listening. What a production he put on again. The tournament grew, it basically doubled in size this year, Dan, and we're going to keep growing. It's going to get bigger and bigger. And all the newcomers that went, they said the same thing. Unbelievable time, unbelievable weekend. So it's fantastic. I'm so excited about the future of that. So massive thank you to the PAGT. Massive thank you to Calibur Golf. They were dialed. A yaker won the putter, won the, um, the flat stick award for the best putter at the tournament. Um,

massive thank you to surfside. Heroic effort from them. Incredible stuff from them. Yep. Massive shout out to par four app. You could stream the whole, the whole tournament on there. They were keeping the leaderboard showing everything. They have it dialed, man. That's a great operation they got cooking. So that was unbelievable. Start to finish, you, just a fantastic production. It's unbelievable.

I look forward to it every year. I can't wait to continue to be a part of it, to continue to see it grow. And yeah, you know, it's just funny how every year we go there and then guys that should have come that didn't come text us and they're like, oh my God, I'm so jealous. This looks amazing. Yeah, you're an idiot.

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We want to hit you guys with a few stories. The first one that I want to discuss, however, is something that came up. Johnny Laz came down with us, helped us out with some video stuff. Just love that guy. And he brought up a discussion at the Borgata. And it started with one Scott Hartnell, who was there at the tournament, played some great golf, had some great fun with us. but we were all in the bathroom, in the urinals before dinner. And Laz brought up the discussion of whether it is appropriate or not to fart at the urinal.

And I'm going to be honest, I could not believe Laz's take on this. And I think you were kind of with him. I was typical. I was very down the middle. What I said out loud was, he goes, is it acceptable to fart at the urinal? I said, absolutely. If you can't fart in the bathroom, where can you fart? Absolutely acceptable.

But where I was on his side was, do I do it? And I don't really. Even though I admit and believe passionately that it's acceptable, I'm not walking into an airport bathroom at a 10-wall urinal and just ripping ass. I'm not doing it. And I think that's not hypocritical. Like, I think I can live in that world where I personally don't do it, but I have no issue with it. Dude, you, we get into later in this episode, poop and fart shaming. Yeah.

And right now you're poop and fart shaming. No, no, I'm not. That's what I'm saying. Yes, you are, dude. If you have anything to say, if you have anything to say about this, I just like, listen. Can I just say, though, dude, I'm not shaming. I'm not shaming. You see, you have the words wrong.

That's my point. I'm not, if someone does it near me and I went like this, now I'm, I'm, I'm shaming them. I go, good for you, bro. That's awesome. And I'm genuinely happy for them. I'm poop and fart embarrassing. Like I'm, I am shamed. I feel shame. I don't, I don't not shame. I feel shame. That's a big difference. It's narratives like this, Chris, it's you having a platform and using your voice to say that there's, to even whisper that there's anything wrong with this. That's what I can't get behind. Because that's fair. Listen, do you need to, do you need to force it out and make, you know, pop a rib doing it? No, but it's like, listen, this is the time that it happens when you pee,

you fart. Yep. And amongst friends, no less, in a bathroom, if there is not a place to relieve yourself quietly and discreetly get rid of waste. That is what a bathroom is for. And if you're telling me that you one of the boys are going to be like, can't believe he just farted at the urn. I think you are a scumbach. I agree with you. There's where I agree with you. You're a piece of shit. I completely agree.

If anyone ever said that to someone that farted, I am 1,000% on your side. I'm like, dude. Couldn't believe it. What do you want to do? But I think Lazz was like that too. I don't think he was mad at the person who did it. I know, but it's, I'm challenging Lazz to be more open-minded because even bringing

it up. He did it up with a little tone. He was like, I can't believe that guy did that. Well, yeah. And his take was, he was like, you cannot do that. And I was like, what are you talking about? We had some unbelievable times. Better than that, guys, better than farting at the urine.

Let me tell my other small one, because the other two are bigger and funnier. This guy that we were having dinner with at the welcome party, this guy, Steve. And it's like a beautiful setup. That spread was actually insane, Dan, at the welcome party. Remember, like, up in that dining room and it was fucking, like, nuts. Lobster rolls, shrimp cocktail. There was filet mignon. There was chicken moulognees. It was so good.

So we go, Dan and I went to set up the pod in the sports book. So we come up and a lot of people have kind of already eaten. So we grab some plates and we're just jumping in. People are drinking and now having some desserts. And Dan, you sat in a different table. You know, you were with like JD maybe or somebody and the boys, but there was really only one seat there. So I was looking for a seat. So I kind of find DZ and there's this guy, Steve. But I didn't know him. And I sit down. And I sit down. next to him and he goes uh i was like anyone sitting here and he's like no man all you so i sit down and he introduced himself i say my name but just chris and he goes um he was like did i see you setting up a podcast and i was like yeah you sure did and he's like what's what's the pot about and i'm like oh it's about the league you know we come out here for this tournament um we we help put on the tournament and we just uh do the social media coverage of it and everything uh we always talking about hockey. Steve's like, that's so great. Oh my God, I love hockey shows. You know, like, I can't believe I don't, I don't know you guys. And I'm like, oh, yeah. He's like, what's,

what's your pod called? And I go, empty netters. Where do I find it? I go, it's on everything, man, Spotify, Apple, YouTube, and, you know, follow us on TikTok and Instagram. And he goes, oh, I'll follow you right now. Pulls up his IG, types in empty netters. And it just comes up following already. And I'm looking at down at the phone. It says following. And Steve looks up at me with like awe in his eyes and he goes, dude, I'm a big fan.

Steve? He's like, can we get a pick? And I'm like, hell yeah, he could get a pick. Steve. He didn't even know. Didn't even know. He didn't right next to him. Truly, seeing your face didn't clock with him. And then after he looked at, he was like, oh, wait, yeah, it's you. That guy was such a weapon. That man has three separate tattoos that are cover-ups

of former women's names. Dude, fuck, I wish we could tell that story. That is so funny. We were boozing later in the night, and he had three separate tattoos that he were like, yeah, this is actually a cover of it. Under it is a woman's names.

Wouldn't you like to know. Unbelievable. Dude, heard you met your big hero. Didn't even know it, dude. Didn't even know it. Remarkable. That was good. One of the great moments

of that story, or of that weekend, we are, you know, there's, there's truly no limit to the stuff we can do on this weekend, guys. It's so funny. We're there. We wake up in the morning.

There's, you know, go down. You have an unbelievable breakfast spread given to us by Hidden Creek in the Dormey Network. Delicious. But we golf. And then it's like after the tournament, we golf some more. And then you get some lunch. You're drinking. You're buzzing around.

We have options to go to Atlantic. Yeah. You have options to go to Atlantic City. have options to go to Jersey Shore, super close stuff. There's so many things. And one of the nights, we're having dinner, we're discussing all of the things that people are like, let's go to Casino, let's go to Margate, let's hit this club, let's do this, let's do that. We are with JD, Jason Demers, Michael Delzotto.

I mean, Wizz was there, Hartman was there like, Dennis Seidberg's there. We're all like doing the stuff. But the four of us, us to JD and Michael Delzato, we, we, just get so banged up. And we go out to the putting green, where they had set up like a nine-hole putting contest thing on the putting green. And it's dewy out there.

The grass is like kind of wet, which is affecting the putts, which is fun. We just get so banged up that we, for three hours, played various putting competitions. Like very, very, first we went through all nine holes,

and then again, so we played 18 holes a goal. And then it was like, all right, we're going to play it like pig. Like figure out how, like what you want to do and we'll put to this hole. And then it's like whoever's the lowest gets a P. So it's like reverse pig. It's like you want pig. Yeah.

And we're just doing all this shit. And meanwhile, J.D. and DZ have a side bet going on from their golf earlier in the day. And I think it was J.D owed DZ like 200 bucks. so then DZ slowly Or was it reverse? Yeah And then slowly it gets clawed back Over the course of three hours

Of different putting games Till the second to last put DZ won and got even with JD And then we did like one more put Like the farewell long put And we're like all right let's get out of here And DZ was like should we head back To one of the houses and play some pool

And I was like fuck yeah Like a nice little nightcap We'll have one more drink We all get in our golf carts And drive we're going to JD's cottage that he's staying at and DZ's is one beyond and we just are all so hammered from being on this fucking putting green for so long playing these stupid games and now because of DZ's idea we're going to stay up a little bit longer and go play pool and we pull up dZ's in front in his

cart and we get up there and we just J.D pulls into his house we pull and be back and we just watch DZ continue to drive on and throw a P sign out of his golf cart that sandbagging son of a bitch. Dude, he just bamboozled us all into drinking and putting for three hours just so he could get even with JD and then fucking bailed on us to go play pool. Dude, my favorite was JD is pissed because he's fucking being sassy and he's winning. And then, dude, at one point, J.D. makes a good put and it looks like he could get in it in two. DZ hits a, it's not a great pot. So he's got, you know, like a six footer left that he's going to need. to make.

And then, but with Dan and I left. So first, maybe it was even like a 10 footer, dude. First, because we were keeping on, we're putting from like 90 feet away every hole, you know. So first, Dan putts one, and it's also not the best putt, and it's 11 feet away right behind DZ's. So now he'll get a literal perfect read. Then, as in J.D.,'s like, Jesus Christ, Dan, like, you're going to fucking, what are you want to give him a read?

Like, fuck off, you guys. And then I putt and hit DZ's ball. obliterate DZ's bell which knocks it like four feet forward so now it's like a six footer Dan hits his 11 footer

like just lips out gives him the read DZ drills the six foot and Jad he's like literally both of you are pigs fucking rat pigs and I fucking my bad

he was looking around being like this what is going on here what what what what sabotage performance is happening with this group right now but we turned on him though

remember he lipped that one down the hill and we're all three of us like go go go like just wanting his ball to like he's like shut the fuck off dude that was amazing it just turned into a to a shit show all timer and then gotta be my favorite our favorite story of the night oh without a doubt no one will be named of the weekend no one will be named and i'm not even going to say if this person was here there's a chance that that this person was not there and a story was being told but someone someone someone someone that we now are acquainted with, has an epic

kink, fetish. Well, that's, I think, kind of what we that's what we kind of surmised it was. Yeah. And, and we only want to talk about, I guess this is later in the app, but you want to talk about shit shaming, dude, we do not kink shame on the show. We do not kink shame on this show. But someone that

we have heard about, likes to do this when he goes on the road when he travels. I want to be very clear it was no one on this trip. So don't try to internet sleuth. Yeah, exactly. At the golf tournament.

It was someone else. So this person when he travels and he's alone in a hotel room you about tuck himself in. He goes like this. He will text his wife and go, hey, I'm about to crack stick tonight.

About to snap one around. I'm about to self-complete. Yeah. And she goes, okay, no problem. I'm ready. And then he has a device that he puts up his bottom. It is a remote control butt plug. And is being controlled on an app on his.

wife's phone that she is in charge of. So, dude, she's just up there. Zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom. I wonder how chaotic she is with it. Yeah, yeah. And he's, is she redline him for like a minute and then get him started. Get him started. Ease, ease, ease, ease, edge, edge, edge, edge, edge.

Dude, she, she, she, it's not even like confirmed. It's not even like they're on voice to be like, hey, dude, uh, you know, more now, less later. It's literally all up to her thousands of miles away. Boom, blah, blah, blah. And that'll do it, dude. That'll do it.

And nothing makes either of them happier. How about that? It's, I mean, it was mind-blowing stuff. Technology is a beautiful thing. And in a world in professional sports where infidelity happens every now and then, this is romantic as hell. Oh, dude.

This is fantastic. When he first said, I call my wife, I was like, this is crazy, but I respect it because you're so committed. But I thought he was going to be like, hey, talk, talk me through this, talk me through this bad boy. You know, but it was, it was so much better. Oh, so much better. So much more adventurous. And then he, the story proceeded to go on that we were, showed a picture of this gentleman doing a move that he calls the flying squirrel. that he does in the team locker room

where he gets in a handstand when he's up in the handstand with his front facing the shower head and positions his legs open so that the shower is going directly into his butthole. Outrageous to you have a golf glove on right now. Has that been on this whole time?

No, but I just put it on. It's like, what the fuck? Yeah, very weird. That is the fucking craziest shit. That is crazier than the two stories you just told combined. I had it out on the table. I was trying out.

Jesus Christ. I was drying out from the weekend. But yeah, this man does that. We're showed this picture. Everyone's laughing. And a few of us were kind of sitting there like, so this dude's got like an ass thing. Yeah.

He's into ass play is what's happening. And people were like, yeah, I guess. And I was like, you guess? This man has a remote controlled vibrating butt plug in his ass every night. And then he's also. just doing the flying squirrel in front of the boys in the shower? Like this guy's got a freak flag and he's waving it. Some guys didn't even want to see the pick.

They were like, no. Yeah, they were like, I'm good. I don't need to see that. I thought it was hilarious. Me too, I thought it was a move. I might try it. Yeah, it was incredible. Honestly, next batch party I'm on.

I might try that just before the first night out, you know? Like, okay, call someone in. Hey, like any extra shampoo in yours, come on in. And I'm upside down. Oh, gosh. But needless to say, they probably go. tour is just endless

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they've got to offer and try them out for yourself. You're not going to sacrifice comfort. It's going to fit in your budget and you are going to love them. We are back and it's time for some games. But before we do, I wanted to say two things. One, we were coming out of the golf tournament and I was flying to Boston and I was trying to make a bus to Maine and I needed the back. bags to come out on time and they were just like taken forever and I'm tweaking sitting next to the

fucking oversized bag thing waiting for my golf clubs and then some dude is waiting for his golf clubs too and he's come out first and in the moment I was like that motherfucker that rat fuck got his clubs before me and now he's kind of he probably wasn't even taking the bus but he would have made it and now I won't and I now hate that kid forever and then he turns around and looks at me and goes you run empty netters? And I go, yeah. He was like huge, huge fan of the show. And I was like, fuck, you're the man, dude.

I can't believe I just wished ill will upon you because you got your golf clubs first. So Andrew and Logan, sorry, I wished voodoo curses on you. You're actually the man and I hope you had a safe drive home. Second thing, Dan, you missed this. Did he not take your seat on the bus? No, D.T. He probably didn't. Well, actually, dude, I hope he did catch the bus. Like, I hope he also needed that bus and did make.

it because I missed it. I missed the bus by two minutes. You did actually miss it? Yeah, I had to wait for the next one. That sucks. Nightmare. Second thing, Dan, I haven't even showed you this yet. This came, you were gone. We get a letter in the mail. And it's from Colin, Colin Shelley. Okay? Okay. I opened it up and I was like, oh, cool. This is just like a cool, like, letter saying like, love the show or whatever. Look at this voice. Invitation to his wedding. Dan and I got invited to his wedding. But Colin, he got married on Saturday, July 26, it came that day. Like, I got the mail. I got the letter in the mail that day. They got married in Utah. Probably was sick. Probably was a sick wedding. And he said he's a big mammoth guy now,

got into hockey because of us, boys, got into hockey because of the Entrynetter show. Colin and Brooklyn got married. Utah, six o'clock in the evening. Looks like a lovely, lovely situation. But this is our first wedding invite, Dan. Yeah, that's huge. Dude, I want the boys in the office. This was the day of Flag and Lauren's going away. So I was telling everybody. And Billy and all the boys are like, dude, you got to go. Like, get on a plane right now. Can you imagine if I had shown up there?

Like, without answering this, I'd just pop in to the wedding. Yeah, I mean, that would have been sick. Oh, my God. I mean, if they're sending us, yeah, if they're sending us a wedding invites, they would have been happy. Damn. So anyway, Colin and Brooklyn, massive thank you for the invite and massive congratulations. We wish you nothing but happiness for the rest of your lives and go mammoth.

Hell yeah, that's amazing. Isn't that sick, dude? It's like actually so cool. I love it. God, we got to go. We'll have to do, hey, Colin, anniversary party, dude, next year. This time next year, next summer.

Hit us up. Now we're talking. Okay, Wags, Beerle-Cotline. One guy on our team is a big pregame shit guy. Me too. Literally cannot play without taking a dump first. I've got no issue with that.

But he always does it in the locker room bathroom, which absolutely carpet bombs the room are getting ready. We've asked him to shit at home before he comes. but he says the shit isn't properly cooked yet. Then we asked him a shit in the lobby bathroom at the rink to save us the punishment, but he says he prefers the privacy of the locker room shitter. Should we be forced to put up with this?

Dude, this guy sending this message in is a fucking baby. And a shit shamer, Dan. And a shit shamer and I hate shit shamers. I got to be completely honest with you, I fucking hate shit shamers. You hate shit shamers. And also, I'm going to tell you right now. Now, dude, during this Beer League hotline, I'm going to put you in the therapy chair, you are self-conscious about poop and farts. Because there's a shit-shamers everywhere.

And I'm like, oh, your farts, not you. Well, yours kind of on protein, but your universal you, your farts stink. So why would anyone go like this? Your fart stinks, pal. I'm like, fuck you. But, dude, I think that sometimes the boys are calling it out as a sign of respect and you always think it's a sign of disrespect or shame. That's interesting. That's very interesting. Sometimes when the boys are like, Jesus.

They're boys are like, Chris, that stinks. It's like, we're all laughing about the fact that your fart stinks. Yeah. But it's like, you always turtle shit. You're like, oh, God, I'm being insulted. And then you feel shame. Dan, can you tell, you don't have to if you don't want, but can you tell the most egregious shit shamer on earth who tried to attack you

at the restaurant or bar where you're at? Oh my God, dude. You don't have to, but that was like, I want that guy tared. and feathered, dude. I will absolutely tell this story. This was fucking, dude, that was in Florida. That was in Florida. Dude, we are in, so this is like a quick pause in this beer league hotline.

We're in Fort Lauderdale doing a watch party during the Stanley Cup. And we go to Tin Roof, which bar that we absolutely love. I have nothing but love for Tin Roof. This has nothing to do with Tin Roof. It has something to do with a specific man. But we're there early. Like the game has not started. The bar is not totally full yet.

And we're getting ready. We're getting ready for the game. We've been in Edmonton and Fort Lauderdale for over a week. Just eating, drinking, feeling horrible. My body's hanging by a thread. And we're about to do this watch party with all of these fans. And we had gone and eaten tacos before we came here. Like put down a base of dinner, went right through me.

And I had to use the restroom. So I went into the restroom, a lovely restroom, that is empty, completely empty, but there's a bathroom attendant there. And I go in to the stall and I sit down and I do my business and not two minutes into me doing it. Like, I'm not wrestling a bear in here. Like, I'm getting in and I'm getting out. But I'm in there for two minutes going to the bathroom. This fucking attendant, who barely speaks English, he's like screaming Creole at me. he is banging on the door and he's been like hey come on man come on man what are you doing what are you doing

and he's banging on the door and then he grabs fabrize and is over the door wags gassing me he's over the door of the stall reaches his hand over the door and is literally macing me with fabrize like spraying it in my face spraying it inside the stall in my face like spraying it all around and a dude walks into the bathroom while he's doing that. And to take a pee and the guy goes, what are you doing, man? And he was like, this guy, this guy, shitting, shitting in my bathroom. And the guy's like, yeah, it's a stall. It's what it's for.

Like, this guy blindly had my back. And I'm just like, Jesus Christ, dude. And I was like, give me a second, man. And he's just screaming. He comes over again after another like 45 seconds is banging on the door while I'm trying to wipe and clean myself up, spraying again. I eventually get out. and he's just like standing there shaking his head at me

and I was like, are you fucking crazy? Are you out of your mind, sir? What are you doing? That is appalling behavior. Dude, it was truly... It was your job to sit there, dude. It was insanity when he was doing... I just walked out.

Like, if you don't want to smell it, just step out of the bathroom for a second. I would have left no flush. I would have left no flush, dude. Boom. Oh, I should have done that. I should have done that. But it's so...

I did, I wash my hands for an egregiously long amount of time, just staring at him and then like made sure to not give him a tip. And I was just like, go fuck yourself. Demand more paper towels. Oh, dude, I could not believe what I was seeing. Like, I guess his take was, he was like, you're stinking up my bathroom and people are going to come in here think I got a unclean bath. And I'm like, what? Have you ever been in a bathroom, sir? Should you, hey, should you have given one flush?

Dude, I was. In your opinion? I was, you were there. I was in and out of that bathroom in less than five. minutes. Yeah, fair, fair. It's not like I was sitting there scrolling fucking Instagram. I was like, dude, I got to get back out of here and greet all of

these guests who are coming here to see me. Yeah, yeah. I think I wanted to be in there? You know, coming back, coming back to the Beer League hotline question, you should just buy him those poo-poo-ree things, so just spray before you... I shouldn't buy him. Fuck all wags. No, not him. Not him.

His job. No, no, the beer league died. Yeah. All right. That too. You should have it. To get back into Beer League hotline, this is bitch behavior by this guy. It's like you're going to shame your teammate for taking a dump pre-game. And like, dude, how much time are you spending in the locker room bathroom? If you were going to caveat this message by saying that the stink is so severe that it creeps out of the locker room bathroom and into the locker room.

That's how I was kind of taking it. Then, okay, maybe we have to have a conversation about this guy's health and his diet because that should not be happening. There's no way, in my opinion, that poop smell is going through that door and into the hockey locker room and overtaking the hockey locker room smell. That feels insane to me. Now, if that is happening, we have a larger issue and this guy needs to address it with bringing something like poop-perie or febrize to the game, something like that. But otherwise, I think you're being soft. Like, let the guy shit. At Medcan, we know that life's greatest moments are built on a foundation of good health, from the big milestones to the quiet winds.

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Any form of nice fragrance is acceptable. Yes, I wouldn't even need a new one every week. He could buy a candle every three months for the team. That's a reasonable investment. But you've got to bring it every week. You're not leaving a candle. Put in your bag. Yeah, just bring it.

Yeah. You idiot? I'm just saying that's not hard at all. I'm just saying if you're in your bag, you don't have to like remember to bring it every week. You're like, oh yeah, it's in the bottom of my bag somewhere. I forgot it was even in here. Yeah, but that's still bringing it every week. Yeah.

I think that is a solution. But again, it's, it's, I think we've done this before. There was something else, but it's like, I think you should be the one providing the candle, not the shitter. Like, if it's bothering you and you're sensitive nose so much. And I've got a sensitive nose. And I would never say something. something like this. And also, the, the suggestion of shitting at home before you come, shame on you, sir. Like, that is so ridiculous. Some of, some people have like 40 minute commutes to be your league.

You think his wife, you think his wife wants him to carpet bomb their place, dude? No, she's like, go to the fucking rink. That's, that's a factor. That's a factor too. But I think larger than that is, like, you're fucking with a guy's pregame routine, dude, fuck off. Like, don't, don't, don't, don't, you wouldn't want your pregame routine fucked with. Dan, this is crazy. I always come back to this. This is an anti-teammate behavior. I always come back to this with beer leagues.

This guy's like, that's my routine. And I'm like, okay, are you producing? Because if this guy is like, that's my routine and I'm good, then I'm like, yeah, let him shit. But if he is a dash three every night, and he's like, you can't mess with my flow, dude, I got to ruin the room before. I'm like, dude, you're terrible. This is no, you don't need this. I see the point you're making, but this is too drastic of one. If we're talking about you put your left skate on before your right skate and you're being a spaz about it and it's not working that is a mix up, not shitting before a game if you physically need to shit.

I'm not going to tell a guy to change that. I'm not going to tell a guy to skate around for three periods with a dump in his butt. That's crazy. That's crazy. Fair. Fair. Okay. Next up is our Bauer hockey blind ranking.

And this week, Dan, we are doing NHL video games. Wags. What do we got out the gate? Wayne Gretzky, 3D hockey. This one's nostalgic for me. Yeah, super nostalgic. It's a terrible video game. No, that's not true.

It's a great video game. Always a close game. Always a close game. I shout out the computer once. I literally shout out, me and Brett Hughes, we shout out the computer one time in Gretzky. And I think that's that literally impossible. I think we should have a Guinness Book of World Records for that.

It had great graphics elements. The goalie being a wall was cool. I can hear the guy's voice in my head. The 3V3 element was shocking and random. Listen, when you think about it as like a hockey video game, it's probably terrible. Like it was the NFL blitz of video games. Like it's an awful, awful, awful video game

as far as the realism to hockey. But it tried to be different. It dared to be different. And it was named after Wayne. So if you want to go two, I will live with that. Yeah, give me two. NHL 94. It can always be the one for me.

It's the, it's the, it's what everyone thinks of when they think of best hockey video games. It's, it's iconic. And frankly, man, I, this is tough because if we started going through year by year, if you're going to ask if I know the difference between NHL 15 and NHL 16, I don't know the difference. But I do know that NHL 94 sticks out to me. me and there's a reason they had like an arcade version of it in one of the most recent NHLs in the last like 10 years so it's clearly doing something right so it's one for me it's almost more fun to play at times it's just simpler you know I'm like I just want to play this

game with like turbo and hit and slap shot and just like fucking go they're on like you can hit a one time cheese and stuff it's dude one crazy one two out the gate but I love it give us one NHL hits to absolutely terrible game there's your blitz yeah dad terrible game people loved that game. No, no, fuck. Someone's going to get mad in the comments about this. It's funny. Like, I was waiting for this and I said Wayne Gretzky was like the NFL Blitz. But because I'm like, Wayne Gretzky 3D hockey already did the like, this is a weird version of a hockey game. Yeah. And then they made NFL hits and it's absolutely trash. Five. Five, yeah, I agree. It's five. It's a horrible video game. And I know that there are some people who are

like, what are you talking about? It was so sick. You could do this and you could do that. And I'm like, Okay, like, I don't give a fuck about that. It's a bad video game five. NHL 2004. Probably the best soundtrack, Dan. Probably the best soundtrack in a modern NHL game. I do remember that. I do remember that.

That's fair. For that reason alone, I might even go, it's three and four left. Yeah, I probably go three here, too. Has to be three. Has to be three. Like, I don't even know what will come. Again, maybe I'm not educated as I should be in NHL video games,

but like I don't even know what can come up next. And it doesn't matter. It's four. Yeah. Let's see what we get, though. Last but not least, NHL 2009. Oh, yeah, of course, 2009. Who the fuck remembers a thing about that, dude?

Like, it's fine at four. I think that's be a pro, Dan. I think that's be a pro for the first time. Well, you know what sucks, dude? Good feature. No, not a good. It's a good feature in theory. NHL has still not cracked a good be a promo.

There we go. It's just not good. But at least they have it. But it's, I mean, there's... O8 was bad, by the way. NHL 2008 was bad. So this was like a nice come up. Yeah.

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