Taylor Kitsch Talks Friday Night Lights, His Hockey Fights, Red Wings Fandom, & Dark Wolf | EP.223
00:00So I went under the bumper in the front and hunkered in with the long lens.And that polar bear was coming straight at me.Ice is ready.And we are back with another episode of the Empty Netters podcast brought to you by BetMGM.I am your host, Dan Powers.And with me, a lot of people forget this, but I don't.For at least a year of his life, he wore one of those weird little Samuel L. Jackson scally caps.It was a Nike one.
00:31It was black and red and you look like a fool.Chris Powers.What?As always?That's not true.You remember that thing?That's not true.You don't remember that hat?
00:41No.Oh, it's still probably in your archive drawer in our parents' home.Oh, sorry, I know what you're talking about.Yeah.I didn't even know what that hat was.There's like a little kangled Nike hat.You wore it every day.Yeah.
00:55I had class.Not anymore.You are ass.Class or ass.You're ass.Dude, today is a special day.So one of the most certain I've ever been in my life that I was meant to be best friends with the person.Yeah.
01:15The interview that you are about to listen to is some of the most fun I've had doing this job.Without a doubt.Without a doubt.It was just all, it was so many things that I love all together.I know.Taylor Kitch is on the podcast.Many of you know him as Tim Riggins at Friday Night Lights.He is in Terminalist Dark Wolf coming out tomorrow when you're listening to this.
01:4327th of August.Amazon.It's just a phenomenal award-winning actor, a phenomenal award-winning person doing so many cool things.Talk about hockey.We talk about his career.We talk about his philanthropic work and just what a good guy is.Talk about life.Talk about life.
01:58Don't want to waste any time.Let's get right into it.Please enjoy this interview with Taylor Kitch.We are joined today by a Kelowna, British Columbia native who started playing hockey at age three.He was a point per game player for the Queens Park Pirates.Wow.He played junior hockey.Holy shit.
02:18Come on, dude.Play junior hockey in the BCHL for the Langley Hornets who also played juniors for the Bonneville Pontiacs, the Fernie Ghost Riders, the Southeast.Keep going.This is going to be the first.The whole interview, gentlemen.Yeah, yeah, yeah.If you win suitcase.The whole time.
02:36The whole time.Southbeast Blades and the Esteban Bruins had a knee injury at 20 that derailed his career when he pivotedto acting where he's been in countless hit movies and TV shows.Been nominated for 13 awards has won three of them to name a few nominated for the Critics' ChoiceAward for Best Supporting Actor in a Limited Series for Pain killers and won the Gold Derby Awardfor ensemble of the year for Friday Night Lights.Come on.But most importantly, he's my D partner.
03:05Let's go.There we go.Welcome to the empty-hettters podcast.There we go, gentlemen.Thanks for having me.That's an incredible intro, by the way.How many of those junior teams took you all the way back right there?Dude, I think this is going to be the whole, the majority of this interview, man.
03:21It's just like, I have stories for fucking days about ghost riders to a line brawl.against Weyburn Red Wings.One of my first games for Estevan was a lime brawl in Weyburn.I jumped, I don't think actually that wasn't the time I jumped the bench.But I think the more east you go, and this isn't like a jab to any of the leagues.Like obviously I wasn't good enough or didn't do enough to stay in most of them.Yeah.But it was like the grittier it got.
03:59Oh, that's a fact.That is a fact.So, and I would go, no problem for most of the time, but damn.Like, you're looking in warm up and you're like, oh, shit, who am I calling out?Right.Because it's inevitable.Oh, yeah.It's going to happen.
04:16Yeah.I promise you it's going to happen.Yeah.You also, so many of these teams have such legit names.Yeah.It's one of the best rosters I've ever seen.The Pontiacs, the Ghost Riders, the Blades, the Bruins, the Pirates.It's some pretty sick unies, too, Kitch.
04:28Oh, yeah.They had some six letters.The ghost riders are sweet.Ghost riders are sweet.The Pontiacs is great.I think I played nine or ten for Bonneville.Oh my God.We fucking.
04:43So I was 19 in Bonneville and I wasn't going to school, obviously.So you had to have a job or do something with your life.And I think Grant Stevenson was my roommate who played for the sharks.Yeah.Um, great dude. And, um, and Eric Lodge was our captain, incredible player. I think he wentCIA you or something. But good team, great guys. I remember being like the coach was like,hey, you guys got bingo night and then just walks out of the room. And I'm like, new, don't knowwhat's happening. And we're fucking going through. And I'm like, hey, man, who's, who's done bingo
05:25night here? I guess I'm on board. And then we.go, and I'm not kidding, man, you probably can't see 10 feet.There's so much smoke.Yeah.So we get into Bingo Night, and it's like I was a runner.So someone said like, oh, I won.I'm ripping down this, you know, huge aisle, making sure, clarifying all this.And then I say, yeah, you won or not.
05:54So that was like three hours.Yeah.I'm like running up and down aisles in this smoke-filled auditorium.No joke.We had practiced the next morning.All three of us coughing fit on the ice.Like gassed out after the first drill.And you're like, what is wrong with me?
06:18But that's one of my favorite memories, man.We have so many laughs up there too.Dude, I love that.You do that.And then 20 years later, you're in Only the Brave.and you're like, this is chump change, dude.Yeah, no shit.Training for this is nothing.
06:32But, man, you started playing hockey at three years old, which I love like any good Canadian boy does.And then I'll tell you, being a suitcase in juniors is impressive.Like, that's not something that happens.And that hit list is crazy.But also, I need people to know, you were no joke, dude.Like, you were a legit player putting up unbelievable points.And is it true?I want to hear the grind of being on all these.
06:57teams like you're talking about.But we heard that you got some D3 looks and some offers.Do you remember any of the schools that were barking up your tree?Yeah, I do.So I tore I had D1, a lot of D1 looks.Okay.Bro, when you were a 16 year old playing junior A, you were completely on the trackof like, I'm getting a D1 scholarship and I might like the league.
07:19Yeah, fuck yeah.I was up in trail, man.And it was like the most heartbreaking fucking moment.It was just a fork in the road momentwhere you're like, oh my God.So I played incredible.And Tim Fragel and the captain were my roommates.And great dudes, 20-year-old, 19-20-year-old guys.
07:40I was fighting, scoring, playing with these guys.Had an incredible exhibition games.And then a kid came down.He was a local from the dub.Wade Dubowitz was our goalie who was on the islanders.Oh, yeah.Really great, nice guy.We had a great team.
08:00And I was literally like playing the best hockey in my life.And if you've ever been to that Smoke Eater arena,I don't know if they've changed it.It's been a long time.But our dressing room and then the coach's room was right across the hall.And it was like the bleachers.It was like a mini closet.Yeah, he's Harry Potter in there.
08:21Yeah.Tiny.And we were after just like a.morning skate or something and I thought he was going to sign me.Fuck.And this is like late in exhibitions and I've been playing well like I said and he comes incalls me.I go in there and he's like, yeah, man, I want to thank you for coming.
08:40I want to, you know, I want to just, you know, you're a great kid.Go get stronger.Go maybe play junior B.And I was like, what is happening right now?I'm like first on the team and points in exhibition and I fought the guy you asked me tofight, beat the shit out of them at center ice.I'm 16.Yeah.
08:59Like you're doing all this.And you're buzzing.Buzin.And it was this kid that came down from the dub that was a local and I walked in the room.And I told them I went to the guys, my roommates that I was gone.And they literally thought I was joking.And packed my shit, went home and I was absolutely crushed.Oh, dude.
09:22That's your whole world has come to a screeching halt.in that moment. It's horrible. It really like everything does. And when you're like all legs inone basket, you're 16, you've said your goodbyes to your girl, to your fucking, your bestmates, you're like, hey, I failed every class. It don't matter. I'm going pro. It's like,everything is online at that point. And then he's like, hey, thanks for coming. Yeah. That return home iscrushing dagger.A seven-hour drive backfrom the court Moody.
09:59Oh my God.That was tough, man.That was tough.And then the next year they asked me back and I said no.No way.But yeah, it was a humansuitcase forever.I went and played, I think, two games
10:17with the Ghost Ridersand thenthey offered good, goodmoney.Yeah.And I was 19.Oh man.I had this fucking,
10:28no one knows these stories.Yeah.Yeah.I had this fucking F-150 rust box gray,dual tanks.God.And I think it was,I don't know what that drive was.
10:41It was like 10 hours from Bonneville to,what do you call it?Fernie.And so he puts me up an hotel.I get there.Oh, I had one.CD for this drive, by the way.You listen to it 25 times.
10:57What was it? Oh, my God.It's, I'm going to find the song.I can do it. I can give youobviously every lyric.It's a country song, old school.It's about singing under the stars.Doon, do it goes, oh my God.I'll figure it out. You'll get it.
11:14You'll get it. Ten hours.And listen to that fucking CD.God knows how many times.And they're like, okay, we're going to pay you like,a pretty good rate, whatever a month and all this.We're waiting for a billet.We're going to cut this kid, blah, blah, blah.But will you play with us sign here in good faith?
11:31And I'm like, yeah, man, let's go.And so, oh, man.So we went on a fucking road trip.I think it was a back to back.We're in their bar and they come to ours.I'm not pumping my own tires,but I laid a fucking kid out so bad therethat his stick ended up in like third, fourth row
11:52in the fucking building.And then I had to obviously fight.But it was, man, I had a good time.And then all of a sudden he's just like,hey, we're not paying you what we promise.And I just packed my shit, drove home.BAL.Same CD again.
12:07Same CD.Fernie to back to Port Moody.And then I was like trying to convince other junior teams to give me a try.And that was tough.and then I calledI was like cold calling teams dudethis is crazyyeah that's so tough
12:30and then the Estevan coachwho was really good to meobviously he saidyeah come on out we got a card for youand that wasa totally different style of stickfor sure I could skate really wellthat was like my biggest attribute
12:49but and good shot but manI had Brad Haroffyou can look this guy upyeah toughest guy I've ever played withone of top three for surehe was my roommate in Estabandhe's the coach of Regina I thinkyeah yeah yeah shit wow
13:09dude this guy was smaller than mehair would cover his numbersholy shit and I rememberlikeNo joke, probably.He was coming up and down from the dub.If I remember correctly, the nicest fucking guy.And I played on his line.
13:30So, God damn, how tough was I?Yeah, seriously.This guy would skate, and he's no joke, like 510, 165.He would, if I remember, but he was, he was smaller than me for sure.We would play in Flynn Flon, which is a gong.show. Yeah. And we'd had security on our bus. And I didn't know any of this shit existed,except in like slap shot. At Medcan, we know that life's greatest moments are built on afoundation of good health, from the big milestones to the quiet winds. That's why our annual
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14:31Yeah.And Brad would go by their bench and like literally stop, talk to their heavyweightand just politely ask them to come over the bench.And I would skate by him and be like, oh, my God.Yeah, like, what are you doing?This is going to be, and obviously a line brawl would break out, but it was, he was just a beauty of a guy, man.And really, really tough guy.And then, of course, I got traded to Manitoba.
15:04I think I was right off a reserve, which was incredible.Yeah.Man, that was actually some of the most fun I ever had playing.Because at that point, I'm like, shit.Enjoy it.Yeah.They paid, I think,a thousand bucks a week or something.
15:24And really good people.Great.I still am in contact with my billet girl.Like they became sisters at the time to me.Dack.Started with D their last name.But anyways,they're great people.
15:40But we had a fucking blast playing there, man.And then how I got back to the BCJ was my best mate,still my best mate of 30 years.Clark. He played a cup of coffee with the Red Wings, which is another great fucking story,which is obviously my team growing up. Yeah, yeah. And he was a fighter when he was 18 on LangleyHornets and then played 19 as an assistant captain, I think. And then 20, no one would touch this guy,man. Yeah, fuck. Tough guy. And so he ended up getting a four-eyed scully to Iona college. Andhe was our captain, really good dudes.
16:22And he's one of my best mates now.And man, he called Rick Lans, who was our coach.And he's like, I got to, we got one.I think you could have like four 20 year olds on a team or something at the time.And so he's like, you got to bring kitchen.You'll love him.And I was training like a fucking madman, knowing it's my last year.Yeah, yeah.
16:45And I came out of the gate so hot, fighting.me and Clarkie would, I mean, he would take the heavyweights and I'd take middle heavies.And, man, I remember in Chilawak.I won't tell too many crazy stories.No, this is amazing.This is fantastic.These are the war stories.So we're in the whack.
17:05And there's a guy named Bobby Henderson.You can look him up.He's a coach now, I think.Great dude.His dad's a great hockey mind.Great guy.He held my older brother out, who played in the whack, my older brother.who's a sick player.
17:20And so we didn't like the whack.It's 40 minutes away, not even.And they had a shithole barn at the time.No joke.We're getting candy, fucking fruit thrown at us in warm-ups and shit.Incredible.Our goalie stopped on the blue line and stretching,eating the skittles that were thrown at us.
17:45Another good buddy of my Lucas friends.and I'm setting this up because it's worth it.Yeah, yeah.Lucas Brands and who went to Mancato on a full ride.Beauty of a guy.A bleeder though.Yeah.And he'll tell you even now, he has no right dropping the gloves.
18:05So it would be like Clark, me, this kid named Mack Rines,and maybe another guy that would even like entertain the idea of dropping the midst.So we weren't a tough team.except for Clarkie.And he was the toughest guy in the league.And so we had like some stature,but we're in the whack,and they run our goalie.
18:31And I'm in the back corner for some reason.I don't even know why,because I was a right wingerand I should have been with my D man.But they fucking run our goalie.Fuck, now you got no choice.He drops his gloves.Yeah.
18:46He had no right.dropping, but he had to.He knows the code, obviously.He's getting absolutely pummeled by this guy.And he had blonde hair, and it literally looks like you dipped his head in red pink.And fucking put him back up.And so I look across my zone, and there's Bobby Henderson.And he's a heavyweight in the league.
19:13Yeah.And he was a fighter in junior.or be at 14 or 15 years old.So this kid could fucking chuck them.I drop my gloves across the fucking zone and make eye contact with Henderson.And I'm like, I got to go.My girlfriend at the time is in the stands.And I look over and my two other line mates, one kid from the dub, just came down from the Vancouver Giants, will not fight.
19:46Yeah.Yeah.The other guy, I won't name them because it's really like, it's fucking sacrilegious what they did.This is go time, dude.I'm skating over to Bobby Henderson, take off my bucket.He takes off his, it's a long skate.Yeah.Yeah, you've got a lot of time to think about it.
20:05He's got 20 plus pounds on me.He's a big boy and probably a hundred more fights than I had.So I'm like, all right, I'm in one.And it's right in front of our bench.I look over and those two forwards jump over onto our bench.No, dude.Come on.Yes.
20:25Oh, my.So now it's five on three.And I, Clark is on the bench and he's trying to push over the forwards to back to go fight.Do your job.Get out there.He's trying to chuck him over the back on the, you can't make this shit up.Yeah.No.
20:44I broke my nose.And the refs are holding, there's another kid, God bless him, getting absolutely pumped.And Brandon was his name.So we're getting absolutely smoked.You can't even see the Hornet on my jersey.There's so much blood on it.Yeah, you're leaking for sure.I got Bobby well too.
21:07And it was more of a draw, I think, and I could be flattering myself.But we're so tired because the refs are holding the other guys.He's like, are you fucking good, Kitch?Are you good?Yeah, yeah.I'm like, yeah, man, I'm good.I'm fucking good.Yeah, please.
21:23So much blood.And I go down in the tunnel.We had a great trainer.And it's mayhem, right?The crowd's loving and all this.And I'm in the tunnel and the trainer comes and I'm standing there, like obviously jazzed up.Yeah.Yeah.
21:39And I'm screaming up into our bench at the two guys that went on that jumped the boards.At the two cowards.Yes.Like truly.And so the trainer comes and he puts his...Oh, fuck.I hate this part.Right here.
21:56And he's like, just fucking take a breath.Yeah.And he just put it like it wasn't a crazy break like Tim Hunter or something.But it was like you could hear it and feel it.Oh, yeah.So the beauty was I'm down in the tunnel getting my nose done.And obviously Clarkie's up next.Yeah, oh shit.
22:17Dude, he went berserk.Center ice draw.And all I hear, I hear it all happening.Yeah.And the fans are like the ooing and awing.And then it gets quiet.Yeah.Which is like he grabbed their toughest guy, hammers them, goes into their bench,
22:42tries to fucking grab their next tough guy and bring him over.And then we had that Mack Ryan's kid who was fighting too.And then we lost.I think we got smoked that night.And then we played him the next night.Yeah, fuck.In Langley, no fights.Yeah.
23:01Everyone's broken, dude.We were fucking broken.I remember having, like, the best black guys you've ever seen.Yeah, for sure.And I'm so proud of them.And, dude, I got on that bus, and I ripped those guys in front of the whole team.It's so fucking hard, man.Oh, I would have, I would have lampooned.
23:19I can't leave him back to play.They should have hitchhiked tone.Yeah, totally.Yeah, so what happened was the kid got cut from the dub.He got snipped.And he was a sick player, but he's just, once you do that,and then I think they kept, Glenn was the other guy.I won't say his last name.
23:36You know who you are.Yeah, Glenn.Dude, going for a change when there's a line bra going on is some of the most spineshit I've ever heard in my life.It's unacceptable.In the whack, too.Yeah, exactly.Of all places, you know, this is a rival.
23:54You play eight times.Yeah.Right, dude.Come on.So, that's one of my favorite craziest.My girlfriend was bawling her eyes out, by the way.That's why I mentioned.Yeah, she's fucking sideways.
24:05Yeah.She sees the blood on the jersey and she's like, he's dying.Yeah, he's literally bleeding out there.I'm dead.I'm dead.It's ridiculous.And even Bobby, the next time I saw him, he was like, that's a, howof a tilt.
24:16Yeah.That's when you know it was,yeah,when you're getting the respectfrom the other,yeah,when the other guy,that goddamn,
24:22nice full.Like, holy shit.But yeah, man,it was such a journey.And I think with all that,you hear,or how stubborn I am,man,
24:31I just won't quit.And that's reallyshaped me for my career,man.It's always the guythat just outworkedor out preppedor whatever it is.
24:40And no contingency planafter thatafter I,went and started studying acting. So, um, yeah, that was the journey, man. I owe so much to the game,man. God. Dude, it's the best. It's the, it's the greatest school you can go to. There's no doubt about it.It really is. Yeah, it really is. It really is. And it's the cliche of the losses is whatshapes you, but it's truly the downs that it's what you're capable of, you know. Yeah. No doubt aboutit. I, uh, I don't want you to, uh, to dish any trade secrets, but I do have to ask,
25:12Can you share with us your lace secret, your skate lace secret?Oh, yeah, of course.Did I tell you this?No.How do you know this?Dude, we go deep, brother.We go deep.Fucking rights.
25:26So anybody, any kids watching this, I love a tight, tight skate up top.And so when you tie up your laces, you go once through and around.All you got to do to keep them that tight the whole game, go twice around and then do your bunny ears.Yes, dude.Okay.How this could change everything.And obviously I used wax laces.I don't think.
25:56Yeah, yeah, you have to.Like, come on.But yeah, that was the way, man.That's, I still do it.Was this just trial and error?Or did someone teach you this?Someone when I, man, it goes all the way.My dad wasn't around.
26:09So I had like usually the coach or something.one time I skates when I was super young.Yeah.And he did it and taught me that.And I kept it ever since, man.It's fucking huge.It's epic.I heard it worked like you can do this on your dress shoes at weddings.
26:25Yeah, do it all my dress shoes, my moto boots.Fuck yeah.No brainer, dude.Yeah.No brain.There's nothing worse than an untied shoe lace.So we're cutting this out.It's huge.
26:35And dude, you, like we said at the top, obviously you got to do Team Lemieux with the All-Starcelebrity shootout. Yeah, that was fucked up. Yeah, dude. And you, you know, we saw the one-on-oneyou had with Wayno and, yeah, come on. Dude, and you're, you know, boys with a bunch of the guys,but you're sitting on Hank's pod. We did the, um, L.A. skate this past year for the Wildfirescharity. That was so fun. How, how cool has it been that when you kind of go, okay, I'm doneplaying juniors, that part of my life is over? How cool has it been to kind of have hockeycome back into your life so fully? More fucking stories. Um,I love this shit, by the way.
27:13I never talk about this.Obviously, that top 100, it was the Century Game or something.Remember that?Yeah, it was insane.So sick.So I had Yuri Curry on my right and Larry Robinson on my left in the dressing room.And Robitai's a good friend.He's an amazing guy.
27:32You guys know.Yeah, yeah.Luke's the best.He really is, man.And he should be way cockier, to be honest.That's so true, actually.The way he walks around out.Here's a good little anecdote.
27:46Obviously, Eisenman was my everything.And so he asked me to play in the 100-year anniversary of the game.And it was like, God knows how many Hall of Famers in that game, right?I think it was like in the 20s.It was insane, dude.Oh, yeah.It was so crazy.And I still talk to Pronger all the time and who sent me a Canada jersey that's downstairs,
28:08all signed from the Olympics.But so Luke calls or texts and he's like, hey, here's the Century game.Are you like interested?And I'm like, is Eisman playing?And he's like, he's not committed yet, but you know, we're trying.And then I'm like, well, let me know if Eisman's playing and I'm probably in.And he's like, are you serious?And I'm like, Luke, I'm probably in, obviously.
28:38But I'd love to play.if Eisenman's in, can you please make themon my team and I'm fucking in.And he's like, okay, I'm getting back to you.And he sends me like a few weekspasses by and asks me again.I'm like, all right, I'm in.But is Eisenman playing?
28:55Like, what's going on?And he goes, you do knowI'm the highest scoring right winger to ever playthe game, don't you?And I go, no, no, I know,but is 19 going to dress?Yeah.And just this back and forth
29:09It was amazing.Yeah.And so he obviously didn't.And I was in warm up.And Ray Bork, like, pokes the back of my knee.And he's like, shit, kid, you can skate.Where'd you play?And I'm like, oh, my God.
29:27I'm telling this story.And I'm like, you don't want to know.But I'm Canadian, so I had no choice to learn to skate early.And he just started laughing.And then sackache was really sweet.And then Niedemeyer, who was one of my idols growing up,I gave him a sick apple on his goal.And he was a beauty.
29:50And then Robinson didn't know I could play in the dressing roomright when I sat down.Yeah.And he's rooting through his bag.Nicest guy.And obviously a fucking legend.And he's like, do you know about the double sticks tape?And I'm like kind of pacifying the conversation.
30:09And I'm like, yeah?And he's like, listen, tape your stick with this is going to change your game forever.And I'm like, if Larry Robinson's telling me to tape it with this.And I'm like, I don't use black, but you have white double side?He goes, no, no, you're going to use black.And so I tape a bit of my stick with it.And he's like re-engaging later.He's like, I told you, I was right.
30:36Wasn't I?Yeah, yeah.I changed your game.sticky tape and I was like it's just a good story but they were so nice and Lemieux was incrediblethat was legendary man just it's been incredible to like get a call from the NHL and be likehey will you you know interview Gratz or I've got all these right here about 40signed Grasci card like literally all in here there's probably 24five signed ones in there.
31:10I got four grand jerseys.He's such a gentleman.God, he's been nice to me.And oh, anyways, I'm going to go one more story and it's unbelievable.So after the game, I'm in the box watching the actual All-Star game.And I'm like probably four beers in.A little buzzy.And there's no bathroom in the box.
31:35And I opened the door.and Steve Eisenman is therejust like this about to knockand I was buzzed up enoughyou just hugged himI was gonna say she just grabbed himand I was likewhy the fuck didn't you skate
31:54I didn't say anything before thatand he's and I'm like oh yeahcome on in man come on in he was with his wifeand one of his daughtersand we ended up talking foreverand he was just an amazing guyand he's like man if I knew it meant that much to youI would have skated
32:13and he's likeI did see itI went up to Forsberg who was a legendhe was growing upobviously I fucking hated Coloradobeing a Red Wings fanbut it was I went up to himand those crazy blue eyes
32:29and just that beardand he started taking it like seriouslythe last couple shifts because we were downyeah yeah he's stillHe's still a weapon, eh?He's in great shape still.It's crazy.Just ridiculous.
32:41Yeah.And I went up and I was just like, hey, man, I'm going to put my ego aside and justsay, I just grew up watching you.You're a legend.And he's like, I'm sorry to disappoint.And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, man.I'm not saying that.It's just these guys were the best in the world.
32:58Yep.Yeah.And this is, I think, why Eisenman didn't skate either because they hadn't played infour, five, eight years.And they're like, they're not the same player.And it's just, it's, I don't know.I get it, though.Yeah.
33:12Same.Same.But it's, but they can't get what it means to us to even see them.You know what I'm saying?Like, I don't care.I don't need anything.Just be it on the same sheet.I just wanted one sauce over to Stevie.
33:23Oh, can you imagine?Oh, God.God.I texted them.I texted them this year.And it's unreal.I got all the Red Wings gear for,um,
33:36I think I was wearing red wings.I was wearing Red Wings glove in our game.Yeah, you did.You had those red gloves in.And so I'm all Red Wings out now.I have all head to toe.And I sent him my new pants and all this, this video.And I'm like, if you want early 40s washed up D-Man,
33:55that'll fight anything that moves and blocks shots on the Red Wings,let me know.Yeah, I'm in.And I'll sign a fucking PTO.It's okay.Yep.And he goes,Just as a legend, he's just like, the Red Wings plane is en route, send your address.
34:14Just a legend, man.Just such a good dude.It's so awesome.That shit means a lot to me, man.I think to play in that charity game was incredible.Obviously, I got a lot of friends, the lost houses there.And from my manager, didn't lose it, but she was booted out for a while.And obviously, Pratt, tell her, these guys.
34:34but yeah to be a part of it and to go skate around with other legends and raise money come onwe had a blast we had a blast it was such a good event and and it was put together so quickly andit came it was so unreal uh my uh it's similar to the your bork story we're in the we go out forlike the wheel around skate and then we went into the team room and gassing some beers before wewent out and Steve correll came up to me and he was like heyI got to ask, is this stuff fun for you guys?Like, do you enjoy this or is it like kind of annoying?And in that moment, I realized Steve thought that I was an NHL guy.
35:13And I was just like, no, it's so cool, man.Like, we love it doing this stuff for you guys.I was like, oh, God.You do, you know.Yeah, yeah.I was like, that was an ego boost.I love that.The best.
35:27Dude, well, I mean, it's like, it's so interesting looking at how elite your career is.especially when you know how important hockey was to you.And like you said, you go off to New York, you get into modeling, you get into acting school.But you had a grind, brother.Like your stretch was insane.I mean, you have those stories of sleeping on the subway until the security guard kicked you off.And, you know, then you get into your, you get a couple of good breaks.And then Friday night lights comes around.
35:58And like I was saying, our mutual friend, Scott said that your tape was the most chills moment.of all time that he's ever seen because you delivered the Texas Forever line.So what was that feeling of relief like for you when you were like, you know, you leave the gameof hockey, you decide to dabble into this new world, which is, let's be honest, as competitiveas elite level hockey.And after what looks like you're like, Jesus Christ, am I fucking homeless?And then all of a sudden you land this role.What was that feeling?
36:29And were you truly drinking Lone Star during the tape?Is that a true story?100%.100%.was. I think it was a tall boy too.Yeah. And obviously Pete Berg,who directed, I've donelike six or seven projects with,
36:42um,he,uh,loved it. And he still has the tape.I haven't seen it since I sent it out.But, um,yeah,man,
36:50that journey,again,it goes to like the lack of contingency,the stubbornness.Being that young and not really,you're,there's no time to be like,woe is me because you're still young,
37:02energetic.And you're like,all right, this is part of my fucking journey.And then I was homeless and a guy named Chris Forberg said, he's like, okay, you've actuallybeen in class for six plus months and you've taken it seriously.There's a manager that would be interested in reping you.Do you want a meeting?And I'm like, of course.
37:25Like, fuck me.Let's go.And then 10 minutes into this meeting, she was like, okay, what do you want to do?Like, what if you could be anybody that you look up to?or what kind of career.And I just like, I want to do character-driven character movies that are like worth telling,stories worth telling.I, indie's all day.
37:46Yeah.And that was kind of the rest is history.One person believes in you gives you that opportunity.And then you make the most of that opportunity, you know?And that's kind of been the whole story.And I think even now, man, that's like, I feel.I'm really, really proud of the career and the journey and all this, the ups and downs and what I've done.But it's like, I'm prepping for a role that starts in eight weeks and you're still scared shitless and fuck, it keeps you so honest, man.
38:19And it's like a little $7 million movie, but it's going to be a banger.And I'm like to sign on to that is just like, it's, I got the book right here.It's based off this book, 11 Days in Hell, but it's a true story.But it's, I'm proud, man.I'm proud of it.And the grind doesn't really stop.Yeah.Yeah.
38:40Dude, didn't you say, I think you said it was Jeff Bridges maybe, who told you like every day I still wake up telling me, expecting the call that's like, you know, you're done here.Yeah.Yeah, man.We're shooting only the brave.And it's, Roland's turned into an amazing guy, amazing friend for me.And he helped me.And my father died when I was doing American Prime Abel.and he was almost my glorified neighbor on on uh just down the street in uh Santa Fe and uh no joke man
39:12that guy is two beautiful daughters right now that are pretty young and uh cath his wife and i wouldshow up to my house and he'd be waiting on my house my stoop just to chat yeah that's awesome anduh we just sit there he's sober and uh we would sit there have a couple waters by the fire and justchat about it and what's going on andall that. So he was anamazing influence and still is andBridges, man. It was me, Bridgesand Brolin in between our
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41:27And just a fucking legend.Really, really sweet man.And obviously just has his camera on set all the time taking these black and beautiful black and whites.And he wants to talk music all day.He sings actually in that show.But great, great guy.Connolly was awesome.James Badge Dale is still a really close friend.
41:50He's a fucking incredible actor.I'm trying to get him to try to work with him every chance I can.So that was a great Joe Kaczynski who directed is a good friendBut yeah man that was a great fucking timeYeah I betIt's interesting you know looking back at the Friday Night Lights daysYou've said a few times that that era is some of the most freeYou've ever felt working because you didn't give a shit about the ratings and all that
42:17Why was that?I was ignorant to it allI obviously we didn't have these every 10 secondsgetting on social fucking media, which was huge to not have.Yeah.Yeah, you're just, Pete said a real great example for the crew and cast to be free and take ownership of your character.And the precedent he sets with improv and lack of rehearsals to keep things alive and natural lighting.So you go to set, no rehearsals, you got three roaming cameras at all times.
42:55you're in the fucking Riggins house,which is like no joke we've had to likecut half a day because they had to smoke it out because of bugs.Yeah.Like it was legit disgusting in there.Yeah.And people were getting sick.And it was like,
43:12it's the true Riggins house.And it's like the freedom to be like,you know,I love a prop.I love an activity when I'm working.And it's like obviously Riggins is drinking 24-7 for the most part.So I would always have either a football in my hand or a beer or pouring a beer.And no one is there to be like, I don't know.
43:33I don't know if you should be doing this or that.We had no policing, no real like 90% of the time.The writers weren't around because it was in Austin and they were in L.A.And so it was just so free in the sense of creativity.Our camera crew had the utmost freedom for the most part.I would do a scene with fucking seven Saracenand be like, hey man, I'm just going to do push-ups in this sceneI'm going to do this whole scene doing fucking push-ups
44:04And he's like, uh, okayYeah, yeahAnd then I'm doing the fucking scene just doing push-upsWhen we're talking about hunting or somethingAnd it's like every scene it was like improvAnd that's where 30 or seven and six camefrom is the hockey lingo.Yeah, I totally did.
44:23I, when the first time I watched that show and you were throwing seven and six round, I waslike, I wonder if Taylor played hockey.And that was the first time I looked it up and I was like, yeah, yeah, that makessense.There you go.Yeah, all the, I mean, obviously Texas Forever was written.The no regrets is me.When I think we're in Mexico and I'm on the bed whining that we haven't gotten drunk or
44:46this is no fun.I've got, I want regrets.to something.That whole little monologue is improv.Well, dude, you let out a few hockey lingoes.Like, you mentioned it earlier.Like, when you were, I think you're talking to Billy and you say Rip Club, which isvery much a hockey thing.
45:06Oh, dude.And I was like, yeah, I was like, whoa, what the fuck?He just said Rip Club.This is fantastic.Billy, Derek Phillips is still one of my better friends still, man.He's a beauty of a guy.and we just loved working with each other.I got him in Terminalist, season one.
45:24Yeah, yeah.A little role in that.He's a great character actor, great dude,and we just loved working with each other and push each other.There's a fucking scene, I'll tell you, real quick, about where he's shirtless eatingat the island in the house, and it's a big episode because it's Riggins' dad.And I come into the fucking living room.and he's been like dieting and working out a bit and this and that he probably down to like three mountain doos a day uh because he would hammer mountain dews and darts every fucking chance he got and so i walk it this is we're filming this scene and i think someone puts eggs on the table or something he's eating breakfast and i go into this tangent that's unwritten being like billy i can't
46:18You can't eat this food. Your body's disgusting. This is a fucking joke. Go put a shirt on.And he's looking at me, not even as Billy Wiggins anymore.Derek Phillips is looking back at me like, you son of a fucking bitch.How did you? And so we called Cut and he's like, really?Yeah.You're gonna fucking oust me on TV like and I was just like that's the kind of relationship.we had man such a great dude but oh that was an amazing time and you will never have that back you knowyeah yeah lightning in a bottle everyone was on killing it with their within their role and the freedom
47:02and the lack of like critics we're being told every other fucking day we're going to another networkor this is our last episode or you're always like all right just make the best of it let's justhave fun and enjoy it and and i think that comes throughYeah, it's like you said, too, it's the stage in your career, the age you were, the era without so much social media and how amazing that whole process was, that was lightning in a bottle, I can imagine.It's like, and you're right.It's, it sucks to say it's like the specifics that will never happen again.Yes.Unbelievable.
47:36Yeah, and that shit, I wouldn't be sitting here without F&L, you know, so they've asked me to come back, but P knows the answer.Jason Ketoms, who's the showrunner.Yeah, yeah.show running the next one and he pitched a great pitch and I love those guys obviously but it's justnot the challenge I'm looking for and it just it just doesn't it feels like we ended on a greatnote and you'll just never get that magic back again yeah yeah absolutely no I hear that for surekids you talked about this with Hank a little bit so sorry to ask you again but I just think it's so coolyou are a self-proclaimed but I'm here to make it official today a professional photographer
48:13it's pretty awesome what you're able to do.And we, like we said, grew up in Maine.A lot of our buddies are hunters up there.And I was just never interested because I didn't like the end result.But listening to you and reading a bunch of stuff from you,the way you track the animals and you have like five second window to get this shothas me so intrigued.So what about that especially, but just nature in general,
48:36speaks to you so much?Yeah, man.It's changed my life.I mean, I grew up in a trailer park that was surrounding.by mountains.And my mom had three jobs,is two older bros,and so I would be by myself a ton,
48:52and which shapes a lot of you,as you know,you're nine,ten, doing your own laundry,playing road hockey,as many kids as you can find.And I'd literally go door to doorand hit the other single wides
49:05and see if they want to come play stick.Yeah.That was my upbringing.We had two frozen ponds,like 100 yards,away, which was incredible.That's where I learned to skate.But nature to me, man, is a savior.
49:22It really does help me clear my head.It's, you know, I say one every 40 times I'm out there in the Madison Valley or whereverbackcountry tracking wolves.It's more about, you're going to get an encounter one every 40 times, is what I'm saying.But it's like, it's more about the chase and being in the moment.If you're lucky enough to have a moment with these wolves,the high is more than anything I have in my life.It's a beautiful thing to be.
49:54I've been this far, man.I've been two feet from a wild wolf that's never seen a human being.And it's almost pissed himself, barked at me, and ran up the mountain.Yeah, God, that's so crazy.Then the rest of the packs joined and barked at me while I was trying to get a shot.But it's like, this is a crazy photo.I'm going to show you, but this is a pack.This is wild wolves seven weeks old in the back country.
50:23And I think you can see them there.Oh, my God, dude.Look at his eyes, dude.Yeah, is that real?Yeah, they're all born with blue eyes and deaf and blind.And then they started obviously seen at six, seven weeks.And that was one of the moments of my life, man, that was like,We heard these, we're literally walking around this one area, backcountry, and we heard whimperings.
50:51And we weren't even like, we weren't even on wolves.We had no idea where they were.And they obviously they want a water source, den close to the water source.And so we were around this little creek and we heard this whimpering under this stage.And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.And then I called my buddy over.and there's eight pups that were waiting and we just stood back for like less than a minute.And I had my 35 mil, which I never track with because it's always long lens.
51:28And lucky enough, I had that fucking 35.And that was a moment I'll never forget.And their first howls was incredible.But I went and done polar bears up in Churchill, Manitoba.which I highly recommend.There's an amazing guide up there named Drew that's fucking incredible.But wolves, I got to learn, so I get, you know, Montana they say there's three things youshouldn't talk about.
51:56It's wolves, religion, and politics.And obviously wolves are, you know, pretty polarizing here.But I get to work.I'm lucky enough to understudy and work with the world-renowned biologist named Mike Phillips.And he reintroduced the wolves into Yellowstone in 1995.And then I get to work with his right-hand man named Doug Smith,who ran Yellowstone Wolves for 29 years.And so I'll go on Ted Turner's ranch, which is incredible 114,000 acres.
52:31Damn.And he's an incredible conservationist.And Mike Phillips runs this ranch for him, his foundation.And I'll go, there's, it's called the Bear Tric.pack, the pack of wolves on his ranch.And we'll go out there and just sit and he'll have a cigar and he'll just tell me alland everything I need to know about wolves and what's going on and what's happening.And then he'll be like, oh, wait.
52:56And the bear trap pack will just start howling.And you're sitting on this lawn chair creek or feet in the creek and you're just likelistening to these howling wolves.And I got 70 years of experience teaching me.Yeah.So it's been incredible being in nature and doing that, man.You guys, I'll tell you, and I mean it, if you guys want to come track, you're more than welcome to come.And you need a few days because it's so hard to figure out where they are.
53:26But if we get, if we can get into them, I promise you we'll get as tight as we can.So down.Yeah, it's the easiest sell of my life.So down.Easyest sell of my life.What's best winter?Yeah, what's that?What's best winter?
53:39So we can see the tracks.Winter's incredible.Obviously, it's easier to track when it's blanket of snow and white.But early, when they have the pups, it's pretty good too because they got to be pretty active to feed them.And wolves can eat up to 20, 21 to 2 pounds in a feed because they got to take it back and feed the pups.But so they're pretty active.And you still have snow on the ground and it's not fucking minus 400.Yeah.
54:09And we said earlier, I'm a bitch.So, okay, so spring it is.Oh, my God.Either would be amazing.Well, dude, it's like your passion for nature and the outdoors and things like this,I feel like translates also to your passion in characters with all the projects you do.And, you know, we named a bunch.But, you know, if you have iconic roles and things like Waco, true detective,
54:32primeval, like you mentioned earlier, which, by the way, is it true?You had a shattered bone in your foot during the film of that?Dude.Studio your new foundation.Use PDF spaces to generate a presentation.Grab your docs, your permits, your moves.AI levels of your pitch gets it in a groove.Choose a template with your timeless cool.
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55:16Yes, you guys did your fucking research.I appreciate that.Banana bread was unreal, by the way.I had real banana bread sombrero and I can't remember my fourth horse.But yeah, man, I was doing, there's a, when I go into that skinning camp.Oh, yeah.So that was, that was a crazy sequence and a lot of rehearsal.And, um, and it's just a stunt gone wrong, man.
55:47And, uh, the guy landed on my foot and we called cut.And it's probably a 30, 40 second action take, which is a lot.And, um, did you know immediately?Yeah.I had a shooting pain up my groin and I looked to, uh, his name's Papa Dashnaw, or legendary stuntcoordinator.Uh, his, his son.J.J. Dashnaw has been with me
56:10since Battleship, actually.He was my guy on Lone Survivor, Waco, Battleship.Man, he's going to stunt coordinate this next movie,but he's great dude. And I went up to Papa Dash,and I was like, dude, my foot's broken.Yeah.And he looks at me and he goes white in the face.He goes, Kitch, don't fuck with me.
56:30Yeah.Don't fuck with me like that.And I'm like, it's broken.Yeah.Something's wrong.And then the medic,They call the medic and I finish the sequence.You were an animal.
56:44You were an animal.And he literally takes me into my trailer and he sprays bio freeze on it.And I'm like, no, no, it's broken.I don't know if you heard me.The bone is broken.Yeah.And so I go to Bozeman, come back home, foot specialist.He goes, okay, it's going to heal on its own.
57:06You're in a boot for six weeks.fine. Go back to work, shoot for six weeks, and then I'm going to get the boot off and get thefull green light for more stunts and all this stuff. And he takes the x-ray and he's like,what time is it? It's 11 a.m. I need you in surgery by like one. Dude. And I'm like, don'tfuck with me. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. And he's like, I got it the next morning. And he's,he called me and he's like, do you want a pin in it? And that may not take if you're going to be movingaround a lot or I cut it out and we do bone wax and I'm like cut it out man yeah and so we cut the bone outright here I'll move up this whole bone from the top of your big toe down is gone it's just gone
57:55it's just fucking gone crazy get it out get it out it's what you got to do sometimes so yeah that wastough man and then I was obviously in a boot for so much of it but that role was kind of myBraveheart. I learned a lot about the native community. I was doing a lot of native sweats, which was incredible. I got, I started this nonprofit. We put a sweat lodge up there with the shaman that taught me a shit ton for prime evil. I went down to the Shoshonee reservation in Wind River and was lucky enough to talk with some elders and really truly kind of embrace that community. And more importantly, they embrace me, which is,Incredible, man.So a lot of that is sunk in.I got crazy stories about that.And it helped me a lot with my dad passed.I was fly fishing up in West Yellowstone and got a call.
58:52And he had 48 hours left.So I booted up to Colonna and had a day and a half with him, really.And he passed on Father's Day.And then I was back on set Tuesday morning.And I don't know if this may be where you got.the story about banana bread, but Pete came up to me and he was like, hey, it's the scene withBridger at the gate.Yeah.
59:15And he's like, Kitch, you want banana bread?Do you want to walk in with banana bread?Do you want to be on banana bread or no banana bread?And I'm like, I want to ride them in.And so we have Wranglers with all the horses, obviously.And he sends the Wrangler, I think his name's BJ or AJ.really good dudeand he was incredible with me
59:40manhe would off camera be under the horsepulling me off the horseand so he would take all my weightso50% of the timeme getting off the horsethere's a 6 foot 6
59:566 cowboy under that horsegrabbing my bootand letting my boot takehe's taking my weightyeahwhat a fucking lessonI fucking I fuckinghad a moment on that set and broke down for like 30 minutes and a lot of the guys didn't know what i mean
01:00:13it just happened on sunday at like three he passed and uh you know uh really really beautiful crewa lot of guys that were older came up to me and told me their their stories about their father anduh pete was great and and um yeah man and this whole thing to go full circle with it just learning alot about the native community and everything is kind of circular and full circle and has a meaning.So it allowed me to mourn them the way you should, you know. So it was a beautiful experience,if you can call it that. And that show will always hold a heavy piece. Yeah, I bet,I bet. Almost a bit of a blessing to be on that set with that community during that time.Truly. Truly. And, you know, the first AD was amazing. They sent me.
01:01:03me home after that because I was kind of a mess after that scene. But that when I broke down,I got to my trailer. I broke down around like 2.30, whatever. And I got to my trailer and I lookedat my phone. It was my oldest brother, Damon. And he's like, my dad raised cars and was a big,bagpipe player, incredible player. And I saw him twice my last 19 years, the last 19 years. AndAnd he said his name, his race name, basically, we called him Gouy.Yeah.Yeah.So my whole upbringing, it wasn't dad, it was Gouy.
01:01:42Yeah.And so he's like, Gouy got cremated.And the exact time he got cremated is when I fucking went down on set.Holy shit.So there's all these crazy parallels.Yeah.But yeah, it was an incredible time, man.That one was a heavy one.
01:02:00And again, I'm playing a guy mourning the loss of my fans.family.Yeah, seriously.So, yeah, it was, I mean, life imitating art and vice versa.Yeah.It's amazing.Well, I mean, I do want to get into, you've got the amazing character of Ben Edwards coming back.Yeah, yeah.
01:02:20Dude, Terminalist is a banger of a show.And we're getting the prequel story, Dark Wolf.You're getting to revisit that character.Something you said that I loved is you really like taking roles that scare the shit out of you.And that's such a powerful quote and message.And what is it about this character that you wanted to revisit?I think it stands from alone, right?I don't think anyone will top, you know, if you're playing a SEAL to be able to play Mike Murphy.
01:02:50And I'm super close with the Murphy family.Dan Marine, Johnny, the extended family.They were at the premiere in New York, which was fucking awesome.it's really the communityyou knoweven in we're shooting this in huntsvillethis next movieand marcus lettrell lives
01:03:10you know an hour away not evenso Marcus is like a brotherto me man he's he's the lone survivorand he's umso I'll be on his rancha shit ton while we're shooting thisbut anytime you know you can playand obviously Edwards is just so different
01:03:26and there's so much more storiesto tell and I think with Benwhen they pitch me to bring them back obviously it came out of fucking nowhere right like i signed aone season deal we know what happens at the end of season one and so when they called me it waspratt and digilio the showrunner head writer and they're like what do you want to do like areyou interested like you got carte blanche right it's not in the books and what kind of storydo you want to tell with ben and it was really about shining the light in the darkand the repercussion to service.
01:04:03And I take a lot of pride in that.And I think that's where we go with Ben.You start to see the cracks.And you start to see like how myopic this motherfucker really gets when he's in the fight.And everybody, and I mean everybody, is falling at the wayside of him.And he's still just moving forward.And I love that.And I love playing that part of him.
01:04:28It's not a, he's not a, he's not.Captain America kind of seal.He's very fucking flawed.He's kind of a mess.And he knows it.But I think he's still incredibly loyal and is a brother.And that's what's paramount to him.And that's kind of his North Star for the most part.
01:04:48And he makes mistakes.And you're going to see it.And I think the way he fights and how, fuck,there's some beautiful scenes in there.As much as this action is incredible.in it.We have some beautiful scenes that I think that community will hopefully see eye to eye withand relate to, really.
01:05:12Yeah, that's the fucking best, man.I can't wait.That's coming out the 27th, I think.Yeah, 27th, yeah.The first three come out and then it's one, one, one, one.But we're all so proud of it.And, you know, you got to tip the hat to everybody involved, really, of just like,obviously when you start a scene.
01:05:30There's growing pains.And we learn so much from season one.So we were lucky enough to kind of hit the ground running in our season.And I know Pratt's doing True Believer now.And I've seen a shit ton of that.And that looks fucking insane.The scope of True Believer, I will say, is out of control.Yeah.
01:05:51It's crazy.That's awesome.And we're like more we go into like the spy espionage of it.We're in Budapest, Switzerland, Germany.uh in the show and i love that part of it like that's a cool part of it too like i grew up lovingborn yeah yes dude fuck yeah so when you get to be that guy and just regular clothinggetting in a fucking crazy shootout in this tunnel in this epic city it's it's you know no actingrequired it's so fun so sad it's electric uh well kids we're gonna play a quick game with you before we
01:06:26get you out of here but just before we do that i wanted to give you the chance to um shout out ofwhat you just mentioned, which is How is Rich.Yeah, thank you, man.Which is so cool, man.It's, they're supporting veterans, people with substance use challenges, other trauma.I don't know if everyone certainly our listeners know what you went through with your sister.So if you're comfortable, just kind of given the backstory on that.And then, you know, talk about how easy it's been putting this together with taxes and everything.
01:06:49Oh, my God.I was literally on a call at 1.30 with our director, Megan, who's amazing.But, yeah, Howler's Ridge.It's dead center between Livingston and Bozeman, 7,000 feet up on this ridge.Obviously, we know I love wolves, so I just put them together.And wolves are very communal, and hopefully this is as well.But yeah, with my sister, yeah, not to go crazy deep, but she used for seven years and maybe a little more preteen.And she got clean at 1920.
01:07:26and I took a lot of time off and kind of had her under my wing for two years.She relapsed around six, seven times, Narcan twice in three days.And, you know, she's, I don't, she shouldn't be around, man, but she is and she's sober10 years almost now.Hell yeah.And her story is a fucking movie.Yeah.And so obviously the addiction part of that is really, really close to me.
01:07:54She's a nurse now and is incredible and kind of has that adventure that I have in me.And so she's always buzzing around.She did a trip around the world by herself when she got clean.So she's just an amazing message to not just addiction, but to women that have come through trauma as well.So she's an incredible example.And then, of course, the veteran community, which a lot of my buddies, Marcus will tell you,he's cleanpain killers are a big thing
01:08:27fentanyl patches are a big thingwith the vet communitymy sis was fentanylpillsand everything else to be honestbut her drug of choicewas fentanyl but it wasit just feels like an organic thing
01:08:42and then to go back to the nature part of itI think when you're usingyou know I called Marcus up one daywhen I didn't know where to goor take my sisand he's got a beautiful little ranchand he's just,these guys, man, it's like
01:08:59you ask for literally anything.It's not even a question.And he's just like,bring her here.There's no fentany.There's no drugs on this ranch, man.Bring her here.Well, at least we know we'll keep her sober
01:09:12and clean for 10 daysand we'll keep her busy.And he was amazing.And so it's like when you're using,I think the first thing,obviously, is to understandwhat your problem is.But also,
01:09:23So to take yourself out of that environment that you've created, right?So that's what this kind of represents, an environment of change and a safe place to kind of engage within yourself and whatever you're dealing with.And my family has never been the same after, you know, she came out with a lot of stuff.And so it's going to affect the families, too, hopefully in a positive way and help guys, women get up back on track.that's the plan man and it's called howlers ridge you can go to howlers ridgeorg and donate or you can volunteer you can help make a difference and that's the goal nextsummer eh we're trying yeah next summer we're we got two full-time vets up there right now and moreor actually we had a homeless vet up there for a while and then it's a hundred percent veteran
01:10:16bill right now it won't be when it's done just because it's tough yeah yeah um to keep itat that level.Yeah.And obviously, if I'm slinging a fucking hammer up there, I'm making shit worse.Yeah.Yeah.And way more unsafe.Yeah.
01:10:34That's so good.Which I try and do.I'll do the grunt work for sure.But yeah, thanks for bringing that out, man.Of course, man.It's such a beautiful thing.Yeah.Appreciate it.
01:10:44And you got the sweat lodge, eh?Didn't you've got the sweat lodge?Yeah.We just finished the sweat lodge like six weeks ago.And then it's, it's based.It's made out of Willows, and obviously the shaman and his wife built it with me.And it's incredible.I'm not whining here, but it's a lot of work.
01:11:06And so obviously when you finish the sweat lodge, he's like, all right, let's do a sweat.And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.You're like, I got nothing to give here, pal.I'm like fucking gassed out.He's like, all right, let's get in here for two hours.And it was a beautiful experience.And he's an amazing guy.And he's been 19 plus years, this guy has been working with veterans in and around Montana all over.
01:11:33And he's worked a lot with women and trauma, too.So it's a great fit.He's a great guy.And, you know, it's just a natural way to kind of break that vice.It really is a beautiful experience.And it all depends on how open you are, right?definitely if you're not open to shit it doesn't matter your religion anything socialnone of that matters when you're in that lodge so um it's a beautiful thing if you allow it to be
01:12:04yeah dude that that sweat must have been like fighting back-to-back nights at the whackyou're kidding me dude talk about being broken that's what we love it oh beautiful stuffwell it's amazing you're doing that man and uh to wrap you up like cp said we're gonna we'regoing to finish you off here with a game that we play with everyone. It's called passshoot score. Basically, it's a ranking system. We're going to give you three things. You've got torank them either pass, shoot, or score goes down the line. Passing's great, but shooting's better.Scoring is the ultimate goal. So scoring is going to be your favorite. These might be the hardestones we've ever made. So, yeah, yeah. These are going to, again, talk about being broken. These are
01:12:44going to break you. Yeah. Okay, great. Your first category is movies. So your pass shoot score isairplaneButch Cassidy and the Sundance KidOh my GodThis is impossibleYou've done your fucking researchAnd slap shotOh my God man
01:13:01This isI mean NewmanIs a massive influenceAnd obviouslyIs charitable workspeaks for itselfAirplane is where our humor comes fromI would do sleepovers
01:13:16With this guy named Keith Petersonwho was a great playerand then SlapshotRaise MeYeahPass airplaneI knowWhen he's going through the fucking terminal
01:13:30DudeAnd people are asking for charitable shitAnd he's rolling off their backYeahIt's fucking unbelievableI guess I'll passAirplaneShoot damn
01:13:47I'll shootfuckButch CassidyI'll shootButchWowAnd then I'll sayscore slap shot
01:14:00Hey it wasinfluential for us boysYeah I sure itNewman's in bothSoYeah rightI check both boxes thereSo that's okay
01:14:09Yeah I'm sticking with thatYeah I think that's goodThat's well doneMe tooMe tooOkay your next categoryIs your Christmas decorationsOh my God man
01:14:19Your 30 foot SantaYour Grinch'sor your gingerbread man.Also, Kitch, I need to know,are these fucking inflatables?Yes.You white trash motherfucker.I'm so trash, man.
01:14:37So trash.I get kids leaving cookies on my doorstep, man, in Christmas.That is, dude, we're a huge Christmas guys,so this fires me.We also go full Griswold.Like, it is a joke.It's a joke.I'm going to text you.
01:14:54I'm going to text you after this, the latest and greatest too.Oh, wow.We've got a new edition.I fucking love it.It's a 25 foot reindeer.Oh, my God.I'm going to score with Santa.30 foot, Santa, come on.
01:15:12Has to.By the way, that's not cheap.No.Like, I literally, literally called my business manager and was like, hey, I'm going tothis you're going to see this come up on the fucking amex here we just move some stuff aroundmake this work yeah uh okay definitely score with santa shoot grinch past gingerbread i think again ilike that's right i like it i like it he's on a fucking roll yeah god this is and what i'm fired up now isthis like come Christmas season we're all going to be chatting and yeah correct comparing all of
01:15:56our decorations 100% you got to show me what you guys are made up oh dude you'll love it oh yeah no doubtabout it dude like you're going to see me scale in the chimney up in made yeah great um all rightyour next category which we've teased a little bit through here is your photos oh god pass shoot scorethe wolf looking down the barrel that's your phone screen yep the eagle in the snowstorm at yellowOh, beautiful.And the polar bear in Alaska.Polar Bear Churchill, Manitoba.Oh, that was Manitoba.
01:16:31That was Manhattan.Okay.By the way, they have a curfew there, and there's a siren that goes off at 10p, meaning there'snobody doing the perimeter checks.Yeah.And polar bears will roam through that town.It's no joke.Was that the scariest moment of your fucking life, dude?
01:16:49That was like, they say, what is it?Black won't attend.Brown lay down, white, say good night.Yeah, say good night.That's what I'm saying.Like, that must have been the scariest moment of your life.When I first saw my first polar bear, it was, I'll never forget it.Yeah.
01:17:05Never forget it.Just in awe of these fucking animals.Incredible.Oh, my God.We called that white wolf.That was a female alpha.And we had watched her for probably 30 hours.So there's a little bit of more emotional attachment there.
01:17:26That's epic.And we were, we were fucking crab walking up this finger of these mountains.And you howl, right?And hopefully they howl back.And that's how you can learn a location.And I was howling and we were glassing that mountain range.And she howled back.And she was way up the mountain, almost at the top of these fingers.
01:17:51and she was howling and there's other wolves around and I had my camera on this rock and I was withone of my best mates and he was like oh she disappeared and I pulled focus to the top of this hillwhere if she disappeared and was coming to be curious of what was going on I had focuswhere she was going to pop up and of course she did and she came up to 40 yards she was away fromWow, dude.And she gave me five seconds and then walked away back into the drainage.So that is score for me.Yep.
01:18:29And we called her ghost.Yeah, perfect.Yeah.Yep.And then Eagle and a snowstorm was backcountry yellowstone.And that was eight hours.I was waiting on a carcass in my van, in my adventure band with my buddy who's here actuallynow, Kevin.
01:18:51We were playing Monopoly deal in the van.Sick.Sitting the best.So sick.We'll fucking crush anybody in Monopoly.Oh, wow.Okay.All right.
01:19:01We'll do it in studio one day and we'll fucking play some Monop.I take that game way too serious.It's so personal when you deal break me.Yes, it is.I take it so personal.You might as well kill my family, dude.I go fucking hard with that shit.It's like you play the deal break and then push in the VCR video cassette and there's my family.
01:19:27Yeah.And just pillaged in a corner and an attic.Yeah.That's what it is.Yeah. Correct.I really do.It's, I get mean.Yeah.
01:19:38And you have to.You have to win, to be honest.You have to win.And then I don't know if it was you or me that saw this black wolf come down, this drainage.But we get out of the van.And everybody has laughed.There's a blizzard now.Everybody has left.
01:19:56There's like maybe one other car, this guy out of Colorado and with his girlfriend.And Black Wolf comes, he's feeding on the carcass.And we're like, oh my God, this is incredible, man.We're like 30 yards from this beautiful wolf eating on this elk that had slipped and broke his legs the night before.and fucking we look down down uh i don't know down this beat up road 19 wolves oh my godcome crossing this road and i'm like grab cab and i'm like fucking grab that so he's gotfootage of his phone i had my long lens on my on the other guy's hood and that black wolf i thoughtwas part of the pack.
01:20:49And so that Black Wolf started like really low howls.No Bueno.Yeah, yeah.So he leaves and the 19 take over the carcass.The alpha pitch comes over and it's very tough to understand who the alpha is.You need time with a pack to understand.Yeah, yeah.And my guess,
01:21:17it was this alpha because the waythey greeted and thenthat alpha didn't evenlook at that carcassit went I have all this on videoby the way goes like10 feet off the carcassdialed into that black
01:21:33wolf andhe or shedoes they start communicatingand the wolves areeating and he callsthem off the carcass and theygo kill the black wolfHoly shit.
01:21:49Yeah, man.So I heard the pack get after this black wolf behind this big hill that went into the mountain.And so we're running down this road to try and go capture it.But they're way, way too far gone.But anyways, there's that eagle above the carcass in the snowstorm.And I was like, fuck, I can't go get that shot.I can't witness that.So I came back and I was just, it was incredible, a great moment.
01:22:23So I'll say, damn, the polar bear is the other one.That is a wild story for that ego shot, though.You would never guess that all that went down before that eagle shot.That's another fucked up story with that polar bear, man.I was with that guide and one of my best mates, Mark LaBelle, who's in Dirty Honey, the band.And we went up there and the polar bear, we were trying to get this silhouette of the polar bear.We were really far away.And so we part strategically thinking the polar bear is going to get behind the sun.
01:23:00And fucking lo and behold, man, this polar bear took our tracks of the van and was coming straight towards the van.And I asked Drew our biologist and our guide, I'm like, can I get out of the van?and he's like, don't leave the van within a meter.And so I went under the bumper in the frontand hunkered in with the long lensand that polar bear was coming straight at me.And I got the shot, man.I got the fucking shot.
01:23:30And lucky, a little bit of luck for sure.So that was an incredible encounter.I'll say polar bear shoot.No, I'm going to say eagle shoot.Pull a bear pass.Insane story.Damn.Yeah.
01:23:48All three.All three.But they're so beautiful, dude.You're doing, like, I mean, I know it's your passion anyway, but you are doing such a good job.Oh, it's fantastic.Thanks, man.Yeah.Thanks, dude.
01:23:58Yeah.I'm going to walk you into this bedroom real quick.Yeah, do it.Kev's staying in there, so God knows what's going to happen.But this is another story that's, I don't know if you can see this.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.Holy shit.Yeah, that was.
01:24:13So the most famous grizzly in the world died last year.Grizzly 319 of the Teton, queen of the Teton's.She had a lot of cubs, and one of her cubs is grizzly 610.And that's Grizzly 610 daughter.Wow.So that's the granddaughter of the most famous grizzly that ever lay.Insane.Well, dude, I mean, here's the thing.
01:24:39Like, I just moved into a new place and I need a ton of wall art.Yeah.I'm telling you, Kit's photos.going to be on my own. I'm going to auction these photos off for the charity. Oh,there you go. Boom. Perfect. Done. So give me $50,000 and I'll send you a polar bear photo.Perfect. Done. Go into a good cost. It's going to a good cause. Now you won't talk about all thesescripts and shit you got going. There you go. Like I got to shut my mouth. I mean, I feel like I do that.It'll be a little bit less than the 30 foot Santa. So that'll be fine.
01:25:11Yeah, totally. And I really won't.blame you if you go for the 30-footer.Yeah, yeah. That's a tough choice.Okay, Kit, here's your last categoryand you've mentioned all these guys already, so I know this one'sgoing to be hard for you. This categoryis Legends in their field.Pass shoot score.
01:25:30Steve Eiserman, Stevie Wonder.Score. Paul Newman.Oh, my God. I thought you were going to hockey players.No, no, no. Legends in their specific field.No, this is about to get a lot worse for you, too.Steve Eiserman, Paul Newman, Mike Phillips.this is fucking wrong.Hey, maybe we can let him go Hattie if he wants.
01:25:51Yeah, the triple score.We do allow one hat trick.So if you need to score all three, we get it.If I have a mentor, it's Phillips.Right.He's done so much for conservation.And he's got it, you can look him off on Spotify.He's got an incredible, he talks about not just wolves,
01:26:13but Gris in Alaskaand he's been doing it since the early 80sI was just on the Flying D Ranchfishing with them and just an amazing guyhe's taught me so much about wolvesand what's going on but Newmanhas had such a fuckinghuge effect on me
01:26:34I mean Stevie WhiteI can't he's the one-allbe-all man I was fucking sixswearing number 19.Was it your brother?I think you said.Like, how come you guyswere Wings fans?
01:26:47Yeah, yeah.Yeah, my bro.And he's Cranbrook, B.C.,which is not far from Ketown.That's cool.Dude, I got to tell you,I obviously, like Chris said,we grew up in Maine,
01:26:56but I was a Wings fan toobecause of Lidstrom.So, like, I was all inon these teams you're talking about.So nasty.It was fucking the best.I mean, Listram,he's, I know Bobby Orr,
01:27:08it wasn't my time,obviously, but he's got to be.How many Norse'sDoes Lidsstrom have seven?I think so.I think Bobby has eight.Bobby won eight in a row.And I,
01:27:19Yeah.Get out of here.Yeah.Eight in a row.Bobby is eight in a row.Yeah.And dude,I forget who the guy is,
01:27:26but one of the great stories is Bobby was rookie year.He came in second in Norris voting.And the guy who won goes,I'm glad I won this now because that kid's going to win the next 10.And then Bobby won the next eight.And then retired.Yeah.Oh my God.
01:27:39Fucking crazy.Okay.Okay.So Littstrom, seven?I think Litschum has six or seven.I think it's like one.Yeah, seven.I was like he has won less, I think.
01:27:48So I'll tell you a great hockey story to close it out.My best name, I was doing Friday Night Lights and my best friend, Clarkie, the aforementioned guy that murdered everyone in the whack after I got smashed.He calls me and he was fighting for Laredo.Oh, yeah.Dude, these are a fucking crazy pulse of these teams, by the way.Laredo Bucks.And I only know this because he was on there.And I think he had 23 fights in 40-something games.
01:28:23Insane.And he calls me and he's like, you're not going to fucking believe this.I have a main camp tryout with the Red Wings.And I'm like, you're right.Yeah, I don't believe this at all.I don't believe it.I don't believe it.And he just got an agent.
01:28:42And of course he did.He wasn't lying.And so he's in Joe Lewis Arena.Oh my God.And those F&L days, you had to say, hey, I want two days off.I'm going here for the weekend.Let me go.You need them to be like, yeah, you're allowed to go.
01:29:01Write you up.Literally write it up.I didn't tell anyone.I just fucking went.And he was telling me these storiesIt's going to go back to LidstromSo he goes and fights DowneyAnd knocks him out
01:29:17You can look allDowney will tell you this storyHe took Clarkie under his wingActually afterThis is the NHLThis is the type of guysThey're in the show rightYou get knocked out
01:29:29And you take the guyThat knocked you out under your wingLike who does that in any other sportNo nothingAnd so the AHL tough guy, he's got to fight the AHL tough guy now.So he knocks him out.And he's calling me and he's like, I don't know what's happening, but I'm lucky.I'm the luckiest fucking guy on the planet.
01:29:53Like, I had no right in knocking Downey out.I had no right in knocking this guy out.And he had great flow, the HL guy.and like literally straight hair down his back.I don't know his name, but anyway, now Clark's the guy.Yep.He's the guy.Yeah, yeah.
01:30:14And he was telling me he was playing with Datsuk, Hasick, Lidstrom, Holmstrom.Yeah.And I think they won the fucking cup that year.He was 08 or 09.Yeah, that must have been 08.Beat the Gcross.There's 08.They beat Cid.
01:30:31And so he was so nervous.his first laphebales in the cornerand takes out BabcockOh my fucking God dudeTakes him outAnd they laugh it off
01:30:46And all this kind of shitAnd he's so now he'sLike everyone's doing a little bit of a bag skateAt the end of the thingAnd he's nervous still like nerves are likeJust eating him upHe's in a Red Wings practiceFucking Jersey
01:31:00He doesn't even understand what's happeningthrows up in his gloveDoes he put it on?Rows up in his glovetrainercomes over, waves him to the benchand he goes, this is your last set.Yeah.
01:31:18Gives him a new set of mitts.Doesn't throw up again.But he fights,I don't know if it was the Downey fightor the HL guy,but Lidstrom comes to the box.and gives him his gear, and he goes out of fucking kid.That's fucking awesome.
01:31:39Oh, my God.I mean, I got chill.Me too, dude.I can't believe that.Same, holy fuck, man.Isn't that rad, man?That's the coolest thing of all the guys to come over, too.Coolest thing we were right.
01:31:50Mr. Perfect.Holy shit.Yeah, Mr. Perfect, man.He really was.Oh, that is unreal.And then I got to see Eisenman in the, in the, I totally embarrassed myself,but shamelessly was,yelling his name in the in the tunnel.
01:32:07But yeah.When you were there for the camp,when he just bailed on the F&L set.Bailed.God.Fucking all time, dude.Absolutely epic.Unbelievable.
01:32:18Dude, the last thing we're going to do,and then truly, we're done, I promise.All good, man.I'm having a blast.We do this thing called Career Haddy with all the boys,and we asked them to pick their three favorite goals of their career,and I know that you could do that.but we're going to take it to the current career and do three favorite roles.
01:32:37So what are your three favorite characters?Yeah, it doesn't need to be ranked,but just three favorite characters you've played.Shit.I'm going on all these long diatribs.But that's the best.Like,that's,
01:32:54now we know why you're making these picks.Yeah.Kevin Carter was massive because that got me.I went and understudied Jeff Lipski in L.A.,who's still an amazing photographer and learned to shoot on film.and that really was amazing role for mejust because I've neverI just learned so much on the camera
01:33:17and that's stuck with me to literally todayI'd say yeah that's so sadI'm unbelievableI'd say Kev is in therethat was a wildwild shoot manit was in South Africawe was shooting in like the townships
01:33:33there's like true true violenceand I learned a lotwhich is a beauty of my job.So it was about the first re-electionwhere Mandalay got electedand these guys are war photographers.Great book called The Bang Bang Club and movie.But the book is incredible.
01:33:51Lone Survivor,obviously with the SEAL communityand Marcus and Ray Mendozaand all these guys that are in my life now,had no idea about a lot ofjust everything that they go through and the type of guys they are.And then,fuck,
01:34:16I learned so much on normal heart.Oh,great one.Yeah,I was actually,I'm not going to throw normal heart in there becauseWaco was where,six months Prap Man,
01:34:31and Waco was the turn for meas an actor,like to,learn my process and what makes me go and and that was the scary scary role and i was judgingkoresh for the first three months of the six so i hadn't it was like a big border of like i didn'thave a full engagement and i was really judging him which was it's quite easy to do and i talked toi'd call one of the dowdows who directed it at like two in the morning and i'm like trying toask all these questions and then a month before the shoot I called my manager and I tried to get off.
01:35:14I tried to fucking get off.Yeah.I was like, hey, I know there's going to be a repercussion, but if you can get me off this shoot,I can't do this anymore.I don't want to do it.It's too much.It's too much pressure.I don't know what's going to happen.
01:35:28I'm out.And she's like, I'll make some calls tomorrow.Yeah.But you got to give me.me some time here and you've got to take some time and obviously I'm very grateful.This is a.Yeah, yeah.No, I can tell.
01:35:46Yeah, this is from Dan Murphy for Lone Survivor, which is cool.And then that was a real article from Waco.But as an actor, that really, really just created a whole world for me to dive into andunderstand myself through the process and blah, blah, blah.but it was so I'll sayLone Wacoand Kev CarterThat fires me up to here
01:36:15Because I I fucking loved WacoAnd I for your careerThat that trailerWas the first time where I was likeHoly fucking shit this guy is completely transformedLike the trailer was spookyYeahAnd I was like damn Taylor looks insane
01:36:30Dude you're yourYou're fucking singing lesson storyFor thatIt killed me tooDude.Amidst that role, like that story.Talk about like an ego, like, humbling moment, man.Dude, you're trying to sign the piano.
01:36:52Yeah.Next to like Celine Dion, Ariana Grande.Oh, that was so funny.Oh, my God.I forgot about that.Man, what a time.Yeah.I mean, literally I have these.
01:37:07crazy, crazy monologues in this next one.And I'm still panicking, but I literally go back to Waco being like, fuck, if you can do those.Yeah, for sure.Just monologues and learn the Bible inside out and five, seven minute monologues, then I can do this.So it helps.But yeah, still scared shitless with this one.Yeah.No.
01:37:31Good.Good.Meas you care, dude.Yeah, totally.You know?Well, buddy, we could fucking talk to you for 10 hours here.Truly, man.But we can't thank you enough for coming on.
01:37:39This has been a blast before we let you jump off.Is there anything you want to plug or shout out?No, man, I just want to say thanks for taking the time with Howler's Ridge, and I really appreciate you guys doing research.You know, I'll do, you know, massive journalists that don't do half the research you guys do.So I appreciate it, truly, man.These can be a little grueling at times.Yeah.And this is an actor whining about press.
01:38:07But yeah, I really do appreciate it.So thanks.And I'm all yours next time.Let's go again.Fuck it.Dude.Well, we're tracking wolves.Let's track some wolves.
01:38:16Yeah, 100%.Bring it on, man.Bring it on, truly.Fuck the spring.Let's do it in the world.Come on, Dan.Let's go.I want to be in the shit.
01:38:24Yeah, exactly.Me too.Oh, well, dude, thank you so much, brother.This was a fucking blast.Wow.That was unbelievable.Taylor Kitch is unbelievable.I would do that with him.
01:38:36every day of the weekif he wanted. I can't wait to go toMontana and track wolves. Same.Unreal, legendary guy,fantastic episode. That'sgoing to do it for us today. We will see youon Thursday when we getinto the weeds on Youngblood
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