Empty Netters Podcast - The Panarin Trade Is Going To Turn A Playoff Team Into A Champion

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

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Welcome to the Empty Netters podcast. Can you believe what this has become? There was a full 48 hours where I felt like I was like literally Superman. Jumbo loves playing Fortnite, so he gets on the sticks. Did TR show you the sauna cycle or was that all year? Not I invented that. Almost a year now that I haven't taken a body check. That's kind of nice.

Finish tonight with some chicken fingers and a few Guinnesses ran into you guys. That's where this pod came to life. Ice is ready and we are back with another episode of the Meeffe. Netter's podcast brought to you by BetMGM. I'm your host, Dan Powers, and over here on the sticks, he's got so many people in the DMs asking if he's single, he might need to be on The Bachelor. Sean Buffini, that'll be gas. The man behind it all. And then over here to my left, my co-host, a man who wears so many ripped and tattered clothes, he has people asking if he's homeless. Chris Powers. The derelict campaign. I almost made a derelict joke. As always,

Is I don't want Now that I want you? I can't have you. I get it. You were doing a Magatu. You sounded like Owen Wilson now. You combined two things. You were doing Mugatu lines,

but you sounded like Owen. Oh, dude, I can't help it. I get it. I get it. We got a lot to get into today, folks. We've got some hot ice. We've got some games. We've got some... You're pointing at something.

Sean, we went to the King's Rangers game last night. Yeah. most popular ticket in L.A., apparently, who fucking knew. Shout to with Dami, thanks for the tickets. And Alec. And some guy we were walking out and he was like, empty dad, there's boys.

And we were like, oh, yeah, you know, Kingswater's a good game. Everyone's pumped up. A couple high-fives. We're about to leave through the garage. He shows us a picture of, oh, yeah, you showed us a picture of fries. The menu, yeah. He showed a picture of fries being extra, even though he was sitting down. And we were like, oh, it's fucking bullshit.

And then we were walking away, and he was like, I love that Sean guy. He's like, where's the Irish guy? I love that guy. Everybody loves Sean, then. You are, you're, you're, you've stolen the hearts of many. It's really fantastic. I'm flattered. I love to see it.

It was great. It's really good. I love that Sean guy. It's really good stuff. The savagery is well to say it to both of you to be like, the one that's missing is my favorite. Where's the other guy? You know, I get that a lot. It's the, in hockey talk now, everyone's just so sick of seeing me.

And they're like, where's, have Sean do hockey talk. I don't, I'm honestly, I'm not sure Sean could do hockey. No, they were playing hockey. They were, you know, slapping a puckering. They were doing that hockey. Yeah, they're doing that. I just expect pictures now, you know, like someone comes up and I sound like, uh-huh. And I start doing this.

And then that guy was like, no, no, and he's like, put his strong away. Where the fuck is Sean? Didn't realize. Didn't realize. Yeah. It's fucking incredible. It's tough. But a lot to get into.

Let's get into hot ice. topic, as CP said, we were at the Kings Rangers game. The Kings get a big win. The Rangers continue to struggle to slip in the standings. And the question of Artemmy Panarin keeps coming up. The breadman is gone. The bakery has moved locations. Closed up shop. The rent was too expensive in Manhattan. And the bakery is opening somewhere else. That's official. It is. 34-year-old Artami Panarin is not going to be a Ranger next year. Not going to be a Ranger this year. The Ranger, yeah, correct.

Well, it's the same year. Yeah, yeah, not going to be a Ranger soon. Yeah. New York's management has made statements that they're saying they're not going to give Artemey Panarin a new deal, which means he will be traded imminently around the winter classic. I said this. I think it was like the 27th, 28th, the December.

I was like, feel like we're seeing the last batch of games here for Panarin. Now, I'm not patting myself on the back because go. Go ahead. No, because we're talking a big batch now. It's the 21st of January. Yep. I mean, I think I looked it up like the baker's dozen. What is a batch? And it's like anywhere from like four to 20. Like the batch is big. So technically I'm right. But when did you say that exactly? I think I said it on the 27th of December. Because I just, I'm curious because there's a chance that something really fun happened. There's a chance something really fun happened. You said the 27th. Yeah. Okay. So then, ooh, they did have a couple games there. I don't know if you said it before. for the Islanders game. But let's say you didn't. One, two,

three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, yeah, dude, so if he gets traded suit, if he gets traded after 13 and it, which isn't a facetaker's dozen,

but I will be thrilled. We'll see, a batch is a group or quantity of items produced or processed together in a single run with no fixed number. It can be a dozen cookies, 50 t-shirts. So we're golden.

Like, I'm fine. He can trade it in three years. But it's a, it says a recipe might make a batch of 24 cookies. So we're going to say 24. 24 games. If he's traded within the 20, in 24 games,

if he's traded, then I'm correct. Yep. But it always felt clear that Panarin would be moved. Now, the question is where to? Again, 34 years old. He is an $11.6 million dollar cap hit.

So, with the new LTIR stuff, like it's, it's not going to be easy to make a move for Panarin. He's been an incredible player in the past and is always flirting around that 100 point mark in that 20, 23, 24 season. He had 120 points. Since then he's gone 89 in 80 games. And then this year he has 56 in 50. Panarin is fantastic. Yes.

19 goals, 37 assists this year. He's over a point per game. So, clearly, this is a very, very, very talented player. The question is, where does Panarin go? Okay, so the Rangers will, a couple things are going to happen. He has a full no move clause. I don't know if you just said that. I did not.

If he goes, here are the five to six teams I will go to. I doubt it's that high. But if he goes, here are the five teams I will go to, the Rangers can actually go. get more because they can go, oh, you want him? So do you, so do you, so do you. I got all these offers beat each other. But if Panarin goes, I will go there, because they're moving him, dude. They're moving. Oh, yeah. I don't know how many times that needs to be stated. Art timing Benarin is being trained. Right. Everyone knows that this is happening. So if he goes,

I will only go to that team, which is his right due to the contract, it hinders the Rangers big time because they're like, okay, what will you give us for him? You're the only team that will take them. They don't have to say that to the team, but there's just going to be no, they're going to be bluffing any like, well, beat that offer. And they're going to go, no. And then if they, if no one comes in, then you just have to take it. So they're hoping Panarin goes, I'll do you solid. These five teams all look good. But he could certainly go this one team. Also, the Rangers will be retaining 50% of his. Have to. Because you simply have to. Dropping that down to 5.8 is a manageable number for teams.

there are, I like three teams, you like another team so we can bring them all up. I'm going to start with this one, the Colorado Avalanche. There's been some rumors around there. This one isn't a need-based thing. Like this isn't like, oh man, we have a huge hole here in Panarin would fill that, which you see a lot at the deadline. Yeah. This is like, we are spoiled for riches, but we could get him too.

That'd be sick. And that would be sick. Yeah. And you know what? You know what I like this one? It was something I heard you say last night. You weren't even talking to me. I was dropping Eves.

And it's fucked up. You were like, it's pretty fucked up. It's fucked up. That's all I'm saying. You said Panarin going somewhere where he can play third fiddle, fifth fiddle, seventh fiddle would be incredible for him. He actually had a pretty good playoff two playoffs ago. Everybody's like, he sucks in playoffs.

He, you know, he was playing per game. And it's okay. But if he goes in there with no pressure at all, all and the a avs are a fucking crab wagoon and he's like, hey,

and they're like, hey, dude, get me a couple power play points maybe and like be a sneak weapon on the third

line. He'll go, great, that's awesome. Yeah. So that would be fantastic for the abs.

However, to make the money work, it will cost them someone they like a lot. I saw Samuel Gerard.

I saw Ross Colton get named. And that's just a question you have to ask yourself if you're Colorado. Like do I want to go fuck, lost Ross who can play wing, who can play center who everybody

loves, and Kittenen also pot me 20 goals. Yeah. For Panarin, does he make the difference, does his skill, because I'm sure Ross would tell you that Artemey Panarin is a more skillful NHL player than him, but does that skill bump

make the difference between changing the culture of something that has been absolutely cooking? Like I made the joke to you the other day. I wish that Bruins in 23 did nothing because I know everyone's making moves, but I'm like, who cares? You have something incredible here. Yeah. So that's the conversation with the aves.

Any thoughts on them? I love the pick. I think it's, you know, would he improve their wings? Absolutely. I think that top line is Lekinen and Natchez and then it's Colton and Olivesen. You got Parker Kelly, Gavin Brindley. I think Colorado is really good. Landy's out.

that's, you know, which is another reason. Yeah, fair. You know? I think it makes a ton of sense. The question I keep coming back to is the return. I think Brad Marchand is a great comp here as far as you have an older vet who is still very, very good. I think Panarin is a little more skilled than Marshan.

He's two or so years younger than Marshand was last year. Marci got a return of a conditional second, which became a first. If they went to the Stanley Cup, they did. there you go. I think Panarin is, wherever he goes, he's not getting an extension. Right. Yeah. Like a Panarin's going to go to UFA and he might sign with the team he's traded to. He might not. But I do think that this is a Martian situation where Panarin's not going anywhere. He has the no move, more of a no move than Brad did. Yep. And he is going to use it. Oh, I see. You mean not going anywhere. He's going where he wants. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Like I think he's going

where he chooses, frankly. So the return is one of those things where, you know, you're not going to see these teams that are given up an arm and a leg because they're fighting for it because it's really going to be like where he chooses and the team's going to know that he's choosing them. But I think he's getting them a first round pick for sure. This is a, you know, it's Artami Panera. Agree, agree.

Like, this is a first round pick. And then, yeah, to your point, like, what do the Rangers want back? I don't think the Rangers are going to ask for a right now guy if they're smart. I think they're they should be building up prospects. If they're able to move Panarin, if they're able or willing or want to move guys like Zabanajad and Trochec, they should be building for the future, in my opinion. So, yeah, I do wonder if it's a Colorado. And I know you've got to make the money work. and that's the big thing here because what's it going to be 5.

you know something or 5.8 if they do the 50% Colorado doesn't have that much cap space but they currently have 4.1 million in cap space and you know yeah a Ross Colton has a $4 million cap hit a and then if you go down you know Gavin Brindley is on a rookie deal and is RFA and there's just a lot of question marks of who you move. Yeah. Colorado is a great team. Florida is obviously a team that gets brought up all the time,

but we're going to get into that. So I don't even want to bring up Florida. I keep coming back to why, I mean, I really don't get it. It feels like every team in the league needs centers. Yeah, that's the most valuable position. I know, but it's funny when you think about, there are just simply more wings on a team than there are centers.

But it feels like everyone's got wings. Yeah. And every team needs centers. So you, I've heard a number of times that the Tampa Bay Lightning could use another center, but the Tampa Bay Lightning come up for me. Yeah, you like this one a lot. I think Tampa and Artemian Pernarine makes a ton of sense.

Are you, so the, let me bring up another team while we talk about this because this will help my conversation. Dallas Stars have been named a lot. Yeah. Okay. So they have the number two powerplay in their league right now. Panarin is great on the power play.

So that could make your power play even more lethal, which we see in playoffs can make such a difference, right? If you just, and remember, like, was it the Oilers series two years ago when, and credit to the Oilers, P.K. But remember when Dallas, like, didn't score on 20 power plays or whatever? And I'm like, okay, well, you lose. You're now out of playoffs. So you add a weapon like that.

That's amazing. They don't have a 2026 first to your point, but they have a first and second in 2027. Yeah. And due to the rental nature, likely of Panarin, anyone going, well, I don't want Panarin, I want to resign Robo. I'm like, you still can. You make the money work for the rest of this year. You bring in Panarin.

And then he goes, thank you so much. And you go, no problem. Resign Robo. Everyone's happy. Bob's your fucking uncle. The stars and the aves, we have long said are the two best teams in the league. And you go, why would they need Panar? And I'm like, because they're going to play.

they're trying to beat each other. They're trying to maximize the chances to beat each other. Is there a chance that Tampa doesn't need... Tampa's just humming along in the East. And who are you scared of if you're Tampa? Other than Florida getting sick again? Who are you scared up if you're Tampa? No one in the Atlantic.

And then the, no offense, but the canes? I'm like... Yeah, the canes. I think the canes are... I mean, I don't think... And I feel like Tampa fans would like to puff out their chest as is there right. But I don't think if you're Tampa, even with your success over the last several years, you're not allowed to say that you're not afraid of people because you lost in

the first round last year. I know it was to Florida, but you know, you're not allowed to say that. Yeah. You're not allowed to say that. Yep. So I think you should be slightly afraid of Carolina. Carolina is a good fucking team. Yep. So yeah, I don't think you're afraid. I don't think you're shaking in your boots. But I think you go. They're a good team. Yep. And if you can get better, Of course, get better. But I'm wondering if for the, I don't know what picks they have, but for the return, I guess we just see Tampa do that thing all the time where they add middle depth because they go, we're good, dude.

I don't need Panarin to make this work. And they might be right. They were right for a couple times. Yeah. They were right twice and they were wrong a few times after that. Yeah. But they're really interesting to me too. Okay, so then let's go to the Panthers.

Okay. The Panthers power play blows, which is crazy, but it's not good. 22nd in the league, Panarin would be a big help there. They don't have a first round pick in each of the next two drafts, so that's tricky. To me, I think that rules them out. And it rules out. New York can't afford to be like, we'll take a first round pick three years from now. Yeah, I'm like, excuse me.

That's crazy. Yep. And it rules out, because like you said at the top, the new rules are the salary cap continues into playoffs. For all the people that were kind of confused by LTIR, that's what was happening. You could put someone on LTIR, sign someone during the regular season with that money, that freed up money, then playoff start and the cap turns off. So then you just get to reactivate that guy and you're now that guy's contract over the cap. Yeah. This year, no dice.

So right now, Barkoff on LTIR, they have room. him to sign Panarin. Boom, bring him over. But then when playoffs come around, you can't bring Barkoff back. So if you're like, Barkoff's trending to play, then you can't sign Panarin. If Barkoff is done, done for this year, you can't. You could. And I personally think he's done, done.

I think it's fucking insane. We're both Boston Celtics fans. We're not huge basketball guys, but we're Boston Celtics fans. And we're kind of dealing with the same thing with Jason Tatum, who tore his Achilles. And everybody's being like, Southlix are second in the east. Like, let's get Tatum back. And I'm just like, I don't know if people can play this quickly after an Achilles injury. The Achilles injury is such an interesting one because we have seen such a jump in the technology of that surgery and how quickly people can come back.

But there's a difference between being recovered from said surgery and being ready to play in the playoffs. That's what's even crazy. I'm like, you're going to bring him back in playoffs. If there's a mutant who could do it, Alexander Barkov is one of them. but I'm not super sure. Was his ACL? Did he ACL and I believe so? And Tatum was Achilles.

I think it was more. Oh yeah, no. Barkoff is ACL. ACL, yeah, yeah. I think it was like ACL and MCL or something. Oh yeah, I think it was a ton of ligaments. But that actually, well, it's twofold. It makes you feel, Achilles is worse.

So it makes me feel a little bit better. But also in hockey, Achilles are just in the boot at least. Yeah. So I'm like, and I am well, whatever. But ACL and fucking Stanley Cup playoffs feels insane. So those are some teams being flowed. Those are some teams I'd be interested in if I was the breadman. Where do you...

I got a rogue one for you. Okay, hit me with the rogue one first. I got a rogue one for you. Anaheim ducks. Dude, New York West. Can you imagine? Yeah. That would be so sick.

When I think about teams that have picks and prospects, teams that is New York West, and a team that I think is pretty solid down. the middle with Leo Carlson, who will get to Mason McTavish and Mikhail Granland. Plenty again. And then you go, oh, whoa, you add Artemi Panarin and you go, hey, you remember Chris Kreider and Jacob Trouba and Frank Petrono? Okay. So it seems like the obvious one that's staring us in the face, but I'm like,

guys, that's, you know, the ducks are back into third in the Pacific. they're a playoff team and that that is even one Chris where I'm like the ducks could sign him or could trade for him and then also be like

stay hey do you want a two year deal dude the ducks I'm looking at the lines are so stacked it's insane I agree looking at the lines being like where does he play and I'm not saying they wouldn't find a spot for him they of course would but it's actually nuts

how loaded they are and I now love this. I now love this. Their pick's not even going to be that good. Do they have their first round pick? Yes. Yeah. Like, trade your pick. You're going to make playoffs. To me, it's not going to be that good. Trade your pick. You don't need new, you have no space for new young guys. The ducks are, yeah, I think it's a super interesting move. And the ducks are currently dealing with the fact that Leo Frank and Troy Terry are all.

out. I know. And I'm like, maybe you make a move for Panarin who helps you get through this time period where those boys are hurt. And so I was going to say of these teams, those are all interesting to me. If I'm Brad, where do you want him to go? But I now know your answer. The Ducks? Yeah. Correct. Same, too. You just convinced me. I want him to go to the Ducks. I want him to go to the Ducks. And then I would, I would be thrilled for hockey. So let's say he can't go to the Ducks. I'm going to ask for your next second best. I would be thrilled if it's abs or stars just for the chaos. The Central is fucking mental.

And the Wilde got Quinn. And I'm like, go, dude. You want to you two get them. Let's go to war. An arms race in the Central will be fun to watch. Really cool. Because Florida, Florida, we're going to get, we're going to get some Florida thing later. But Florida just doesn't, not right now.

Not right now. Not right now. Yeah, I don't see it. I just don't see how they can do it. Yep. It's one of those funny things where we almost, we were kind of saying the same thing with Vegas and Rasmus Anderson. We were like, how are they going to make this deal? And, you know, they did it with and good for them. But, uh, yeah, I, I, I, Florida not having first round

picks for, for this year and next. I don't see how New York could accept that. Yeah. So, yeah. So who's your next? Oh yeah, you said central too. So yeah. Yeah. But ducks, dude. Okay, ducks. I like the ducks. There's also, there's also a part of me with how, uh, Lucy Goosey, the Met has been and Pitt is just like Oh, that'd be crazy. Panarin to Pittsburgh would be really cool. I just don't see any world where the New York Rangers trade a player to the Pittsburgh Penguins.

But they're so out of it that it's like, maybe... I hate when people do that. But it's the Marcy Florida thing. Panarin popping over there. Dude, make the old boys club. Just let him fucking run. Dude, him playing with Sid? What are you insane?

That would be unbelievable. Oh, man, dude. Also, do it now, ducks. Do it now. I looked it up to in there. There is a freeze during Illinois. You know, you can't make any trades. Okay.

So do it now. I don't want to come back and we're all jet lagged and you got to figure out of shit. I forgot to fucking trade for Panera and I forgot to set my alarm. Do it now. Yeah? Do it now. Do it now. We just talked about the Anaheim Ducks and Leo Carlson.

We're going to get into some Swedish blues. Yep. Leo Carlson and Jonas Brodine now likely to miss the Olympics. Forring a miracle for Team Sweden. so it looks very, very unlikely. How devastating is this for Sweden and the Olympics? It is devastating. You've lost your number one center.

Yep. And you've lost, God, a player that I absolutely love in Jonas Brodine. You know, we talked about there were a couple of quote unquote snubs for Sweden. And Ekholm was a surprise. Now you wonder, is this obviously Ekholm immediately gets popped back into the lineup. But I think this absolutely sucks. For so many reasons. Yes, it does. But I would say you went to, and you know, Macklin-Colabini is fucking lit, Liddy-Mittie this year out of nowhere. And Leo Carson was

kind of on that track. My point was going to be Leo Carlson wasn't playing on the Four Nations team last year. And you were pretty pumped about your team. You know what I'm saying? You want a Leo Carlson. I feel like Sweden would be like we underperformed in four nations. Oh, yes, they did, but I don't think they had to. Like, I think that was a good team that could. I think they underperformed based on their ability. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I think Leo Carlson was being game managed all year last year. And then this year he was unleashed and was a top five player in the league for a large stretch. So yeah, I think everything about last year and Leo Carlson's involvement, you throw out the window. because you're like, he is obviously our best center on this. Oh my God, you're crushed because you lost your once. I'm just saying they still have a good team because I looked at their roster last year at Four Nations and went without him and no like this. This is a good team.

But again, my point, they then underperformed. So I'm like, maybe they weren't that good. And now you're about to be way better because Leo Carlson's your number one center. And then not so fast. Now you stink again. Well, take it easy. Well, which one is it? Yeah.

Watch your fucking mouth. So yeah, they are crushed. They just want fucking gold in World Junior. All right. Oh, true. So fucking relax. They should call those guys out. I agree.

Dude. Bring them up now. Bring that whole team. Get them in. What if you brought that whole team to Olympics? You go full 1980 miracle season and you go, we're not playing the pros. We're playing these boys. Canada might win nine.

Not this one. Could you imagine that story? It would be the most insane moment in hockey history. We got to do that, dude. Someone should. That should be the rule. If you win world juniors, that team has to go to Olympics that year. So it's actually, on Olympic year, it feels like a weird punishment.

It's a curse to win World Junior because you're like, fuck, now these boys are going to Olympics. Obviously, that's a huge blow for Sweden. It's, I hate it. But they've got great players that they can pull up, bring in, put on that roster. How devastating is it for the players? I think that's my big one. We talked about Barcobs injury and the first thing you and I both said was, fuck, he's going to miss Olympics. I wasn't even thinking about the Panthers season because the Panthers were so stacked.

And you're like, oh my God, they'll figure it out. Immediately I was like, God damn it, he misses Olympics now. We don't get to watch Alexander Barkov in the Olympics. We've bitched and moaned so many times how we've been waiting 12 years to get NHL players back in the Olympics. And because we want to see the best players in the league playing for their nation. And we lost Barkov. And now I'm fucking pissed. Obviously, I have massive ties to Sweden and I'm rooting for Sweden in a lot of ways of

when they're not playing the U.S. And to not be able to see Leo Carlson in this Olympics, I'm like, fuck that that I have to wait four years to see him play. And for Jonas, this is probably his last one. I know, dude, that one sucks worse for me. And it's like, it's so crushing, man. I hate it. 32, yeah.

Yeah, it's one of those where you're like, God, we should do this more often. I know. Because it really sucks. And it makes you kind of appreciate how special it actually is. because with what I hope happens, with more foreign nations and more international stuff, this will feel less. We never get to see these guys.

But it is cool that the Olympics is a thing, and you don't get a lot of cracks out. So yeah, that's a blow. I think if you're named to an Olympic roster and then you get hurt and you're replaced, I think you should be on the team's roster. So if you meddle, you get a medal. I think it should be like an injured reserve in the Olympics. That's really cool. I like that a lot. Let's make that a rule. You don't even have to travel because I was just thinking, I was like, they should still get to go. They're on the team. And you, and you, if you got named to the team in the first place. And then you get hurt. You should be put on IR for the Olympic team. And in that, they go, you cannot play. Like you've been put on IR, but you are on this roster. So we're going to, you're going to get a medal if we meddle. You're a part of this team. You're going to be on the group chat. Yep. And you can go if you want.

But, you know, if you're rehabbing, you're like, I'd rather stay home and rehab. That's fine. Yep. But I think that they should be on the team. So you think at home's going in? I would guess. And then forward? I have no, I don't, I can't, off the top of my head. So the big snubs that came out right away were, um, William Eklon, who's having a great run and, and Mojo.

But they're both wings. Yeah. So I don't know. But then, um, Mikhail Backland, uh, play center. It's got to be backland, probably. For the position,

maybe, but I don't know. I can't remember if they have an, like, you know, you got to aim an extra forward.

I can't remember if they have another center on the roster, in which case I would go Moja. I'm just playing so well. Get them in,

especially because I'm like, for, but that's what I was saying. Like, those are great fucking players. Like, they're,

that's what I mean. So obviously Sweden is devastating. So here's my other take, Dan. There are, there are, um, two devastations and two devastations

and two elations. Team Sweden, devastated. The two players. Devastated. Ducks fans, wild fans. Elated, if I'm them. If I'm a Ducks fan, I could not be happier that Leo Carlson isn't limping to the Olympics with a knock.

Just trying to be like, I can play, I can play, I can play. I was going to say he's so young that I'm kind of like, dude, he's fine. Don't matter. It would be, but just don't matter, dude. Stay, buddy, stay home, get rest. What a break this is about to be for you. Yeah, two weeks off. We are trying to make playoffs.

Minnesota Wild, you are in the arms race battle of your lives. The Wild are definitely. Because Brodeans had injury troubles in the past. Dude, stay at home. Yeah. Kick the shoes off. I'm telling you, it sucks for the players, but if I was a fan of either of those teams, I'd be like, yes. Yeah.

So good. So, so good. One quick hitter Olympic thing that just was announced, Seth Jones. after the Olympic rosters were named, then plays in the Winter Classic against the Rangers, and people were talking about the Adam Fox snubbing,

and that was hilarious, and then that they injure Seth Jones. They took him out. They took him out. Cruise missile strike. So Seth Jones is now out, and Jackson Lacombe has been named in.

I, not to pat myself on the back. And you were obviously swirling around this, too, When we picked our rosters, I picked him. He was named, I picked him over Seth. And obviously I was wrong. They took Seth. But it was cool to see how, presumably how close he was. Right.

Like, I think when you don't make it, because it was a lot, I mean, there's so much talent in that defensive pool for the U.S. When he doesn't make it, you think, well, he was probably a few guys away, a few guys out. And with this decision, it feels more like, no, that was, he was in the convo big, big, big time down the stretch. And I think I love the pick I love the pick because there's guys that do I don't have to have this whole conversation again

but there are guys that are quick puck moving guys and there are bigger body guys that can control a game and fucking eat minutes which is what he's been doing in Anaheim all year we talked to Kreider he said people don't understand how good this kid is I am pumped I am pumped about this

Me too I mean we don't need to go into a deep I I absolutely love Jackson Lecombe I've been saying this for years. I know you have two, like you just said. But like, yeah, I mean, dude, six goals, 25 assists, 31 points and 49 games as a defenseman.

And I, I mean, like that is, this is one of those things where I feel like a lot of people go, how do you not take Lane Hudson? Lane Hudson is 52 fucking points in 50 games. And I'm like, I get it. But I need people to understand that Jackson Lecombe is no slouch. Is 52 more than 31? Yes, literally it is.

But don't forget that Jackson Lachombe is six-two and is incredible defensively. Has to defend McDavid and McKinnon and Crosby and Marner. Yeah. It's going to be hell out there. But I do always want to bring up in these situations, like, because I know that Lane Hudson himself, I know that Lane Hudson fans. I know that Lane Hudson's dad is probably making a stink about this. But, yeah, Jackson Lachom is fantastic and is a significant two-way defenseman.

There are reasons for these picks. But pumped for Jackson, that's amazing. Last bit of hot ice. This was an interesting take that came up. We've talked a lot about injuries here. We've talked a lot about contenders here, trade targets here, Sasha Barkov and the Florida Panthers have come up. We were talking to a former NHLer yesterday.

Not going to say who, because we're going to talk to him, see if he wants this take of his out there. But he made a great point about the Florida Panthers. I've been saying for months now. We both said at the beginning of the year. All the Panthers need to do is manage. Yeah. All they need to do this season is manage.

Don't get too far out of the race. Currently, they are, with two games in hand on Boston, they are five points back from a playoff spot. So that's not nothing. Yeah. As we've said before, it's like, all right, you guys like, you got to win games here. But like, in my opinion, like we said, they're fine.

Four game sample size, if they win four straight, like they are right back in there in the playoff race. Cachuk is back in the lineup now. Great this, great that, blah, blah, blah. This former NHLer said to us yesterday, if Alexander Barkov is out, like, if they're talking to team doctors, if they're talking to him, which I believe. And they're like, you are not playing this year. This guy said the Florida Panthers should tank and miss playoffs.

Because without Barkoff, they can't win the cup. They can make a run, they can get a couple rounds, whatever, but it'll be too much to win the cup without that caliber player. Yeah. I think. And let's keep going. The take is because some time off for these players, given that they are all under contract on this team, would be very, very, very beneficial to this Florida Panthers roster and how much hockey that they have played. And to the point that you would go, because that's usually the fear, well, you know, we're never going to get this group again. Like, where are we going to, you know, we're going to lose some guys.

Yeah. Wrong. You're losing nobody. And the point would be literally the second they are, Matt, the second the regular season ends and they are out, hammer the future next year for the Panthers to win the cup. Yeah. Because it's the same team and that couldn't win the cup, but they'll just be rested and back and ready and pissed that they got robbed of a three peat because of injuries. Yes. I love the take. I personally believe

Barcoff is not coming back. I personally believe he should not come back just due to writ fear. Like, I mean, how old is he dead? Barkov's only 30. That's what I'm saying. Like, you have plenty of incredible Barcoff. You're under contract until 2030. I'm like, please don't like re-injure Alexander Barkoff's knee. So I believe he will not come back. I believe he should not

come back. And I agree. And this one's tricky because I don't want to piss off the Panthers because I love all those boys and they are capable of anything. But I think I agree the team as currently constructed can't win the cup without him

only because I'm honestly think they could maybe win the East but keep in mind think about what he does to Cooch you know how all people are like every time I stroke off Cooch they go oh zero points against Barkoff in 15 games you know

if you run into a Tampa or a God willing a Aves or or wild or stars down the line, that one is a tough swing for me without a dude who is capable of what he's capable of what he's done to McDavid, what he's done to Coutreau.

Yeah. No, I think it's a very fascinating... So to give people some context, this Florida Panthers group, here are players who are UFA or RFA next year. A.J. Greer, Cole Schwint, Thomas Nosec, Luke Coonan, and Samiskevich, Samiskevich, RFA.

then you've got Tobias Bjornfoot and Donovan Sabrango are a face, guys that you probably don't know of because they're younger guys who are, you know, jumping up into an avonap. And Jeff Petrie is UFA as well. Then the big ones are both goalies, Bob and Teresoff. So no disrespect to any of those players. The, like, very, very valuable players that have been listed there are Bob. and that's it. Yeah. Like,

Sam Scavich is obviously a guy that you're bringing back, but he's RFA. Like, you will bring him back. And again, AJ Greer, Schwint, Nosick,

Koon. Like, those guys play massive roles. Yeah, huge. But they would be the first to tell you. Like, yeah,

we're fourth-line guys. Like, we're grinders and they might come back on this exact same deal or, you know, whatever. Everything you just said is like, yeah,

man, this team is young. The one for me, is Bob. Bob is 37 years old. Yeah. Can't be wasting Bob years. Now, Bob's $10 million is coming off the books. He didn't give him cheaper. Dude, I wouldn't be shocked if Bob was like, I'll sign a year, a one year deal for $2 million. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, it's going to be incredible. Everyone's taken less. Bob looks amazing still. I wouldn't be shocked if Bob could play till he's 40. I mean, Would you, would you, if you, if you're the Panthers,

and you go, Barkoff's out, we're going to miss playoffs. We want to miss playoffs. Yeah. Would you go, Bob, stop playing right now. We're going to say you're hurt and literally just take the rest of the year off. And we're going to sign you again. Depending on what Bob wants, if Bob's like, I could use that rest. Yeah.

I'm like, bro, literally, go to go to Cancun. Yeah. We good, bro. It's super interesting, man. And I know that these players are like, are you fucking crazy? Like, no, we're trying to win a cup this year. And I'm like, of course. So let me be very fucking clear.

I don't think the players want to do this at all. In fact, I know they don't. They want three-pee. More than anything. But I am saying it was an interesting take. Because Alexander Barkoff is so fucking important, man. I mean, there were Oilers fans last year who were trying to shit on him being like, Barkoff hasn't done anything.

And I'm like, you guys. have no idea what he's doing. Do you not, honestly, do you not realize or see what he is doing to Leon and Connor? It's obvious how good he is. So winning a cup without Alexander Barkov is such an impossibly tall task. The Panthers want to win a cup more than anything, but if they were to miss playoffs, I promise you in hindsight, after they would go, that actually was nice. They don't want that, but I promise you if it happened, they would all go, well,

silver lining is this is kind of nice. Thinking about this group not having to play through a playoff and having a full summer and then coming back next year, everyone is truly fresh as lettuce for the first time in four years. That would be terrifying if I'm in the East. I'm like, oh my God, this team, it's frankly, it's like Colorado this year. Yeah. That's what it would feel. And I won 80 games. So it's very, very interesting. So just something to think about. Insane. Let's take an ad break and we'll come back. The NHL season. is cooking. We're almost at Olympics. There's hockey coming out my ears,

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it was not the best week for the men with PhDs. Daniel! Gentlemen, the Mega Palet was started off as a Greek tragedy. It was utterly disgrace. Mega parley.

Terrible. 13 game recap. Sabers, no. Flyers, no. Iles, no. Mammoth, yes. Habs, yes. Devils, no, Professor Feeney.

Turns out they were not due. It was a bold, it was a bold, bold prediction. That was the one that I audibly, audibly reacted to and was like, what the fuck are you doing, Sean? No, Professor Feeney. They were not right.

Professor Feeney was a bit out of his mind on that one. Put it out of his mind. Penns, no, caps, no, jets, no. Jesus Christ. Delicious finish. Then, Bruins, yes, oilers, yes, knights, yes, ducklings, yes. Six, seven, gentlemen, six, seven. I swear, every time there are 13 games, we go six, seven, it's uncanny.

I think it's only the second time we have. Six, seven, gentlemen. I think this is only the second time we've been under 500. That's possibly true. Which is good, yes, but not great. Actually, I said this the other day. It makes me wonder why we don't just bet $20 on everything. No, no, no, Smee, no.

We would be in the black. We'd be up $80, not living on a beach. That's true. It's not the point. We are trying to live on a beach. Life on the line, parley. Recap. We said, get your act together.

You and you bamboozled us. I bamboozled us, but really, did I bamboozle us, or did the islanders bamboozle me? by losing to the fucking flames. Jesus fucking Christ! It was not great. Oilers, yes, aisles, no. Habs, yes, Keynes, yes,

who of course beat the devils, who of course beat the devils. Three and one, we were right there, though. We were right there. I feel quite nicely about the incoming life on the line. And what I also feel quite nice about is the Friday Fade. yet again the Friday fade cashes its check

and the unlikely unlikely victory that we've somehow got was the blues over the Tampa Bay Lightning going for a record record 10 what was it 10 straight wins 11 straight wins 12 franchise record of 12 blues money line check please

thank you unbelievable fade work sitting on Friday night and looking at the blues beating the lightning, ending their streak and knowing it was the Friday. So many people came into our messages saying, what is, what the fuck are you doing cursing our team? And I said, well, it's the Friday Fade. It's the Fade. It's the Fade. It was not the typical empty net as mush. It was simply the Friday Fade. Gigorous Friday Fade Slate this week. Gynormous. So many games.

Here's what we're looking at. Nights at Leifes, bolts at hawks, blues at stars, flyers at Avs, caps at flames, devils at Canucks, rags at sharks, ducklings at Cracken. Daniel, there are a few interesting games to me, but there are ones that people are going to say are a fade but aren't. Like the Devils at Canucks are two terrible hockey teams, though there's on a fade. The fade is about a team that you know must win. The team has to win, so you have to take the other side. The blues at Stars is interesting, but the blues are up against a double up and the fade doesn't have a face to double up so I don't I don't know how that works and the stars have been terrible.

The stars are terrible. The flyers, excuse me, the stars are not terrible. They have been, they have been terrible. I think there is one clear, unfortunately, there is a clear choice that feels as though it can't. The fade is doomed. The fade is doomed. The fade is doomed. I, frankly, the sharks have been so good and the Rangers are so terrible. They're so shit. that it could be there. I feel that that could arguably be a fade. Rangers on a West Coast road trip. In dead last place.

They're in dead last place. The sharks are in third place in the Pacific, I believe. No, the ducks are, but the sharks are looking absolutely brilliant. I think that could be a fade. But I fear that people will call us cowards for not fading the cover of avalanche at home. At home against the Philadelphia flies. The Philadelphia flies. The Philadelphia flies have lost.

Nearly a thousand games in a row, it appears. I... And they now head to the mountains to face the Colorado avalanche, who quite literally have lost once at home. I just, it feels, I mean... But Daniel, it would spit in the face of the fade itself to not fade the flyers because they could literally never win at Colorado. They cannot do it.

Aren't we fading the avalanche? Well, yes, we would fade the avalanche, but we would select with the fade. the flies. Yes. I feel as though we have no choice. As delicious. I'd like to, can I, may I?

Sprinkle. Just sprinkle a caveat fade on. The Rangers beating the sharks. But the official Friday fade will indeed be the Philadelphia Flyers taking down the Colorado avalanche at home. And that's that. And that's that because respect the fade. And if I may, I might.

wager that it's in extra time. Interesting. An overtime victory. If I may. Overtime victory for the Philadelphia Flyers. I love it. That brings us to the Saturday Selly. Now, we had selected Leon Drysaitle.

I, he left the team. I have an addendum on this. Okay. Well, the news was that Drysaitle left the team for personal reasons. Day of the game, we tweeted out that the bet had been. changed because we cannot have a Saturday Selly who is not in attendance. So the bet had been changed to Connor McDavid because we were staying in the same game. Then the Oilers absolutely ragdob the Canucks 6-0, yet McDavid did not score, which feels impossibly. I was not

consulted on that switch, so therefore the Saturday Selly of last week is a wash. Is a wash. Well, our selection had to leave the team due to personal reasons, therefore the bet It was cancelled. It was a push. A push. I love a push. It was a push. So, this Saturday, Daniel, this Saturday, some that I've had my eye on, David Parsonak playing at home.

You know I love a home, Selly, against the Habs. He has 20 goals and 34 career games against the Habs. He seems to always play well. It's a rivalry game. They get fired up. Let me stop you there, sir. Certainly. Done.

Done. Bang! I feel as though David Parsonak is due. He looks primed. for a goal. He loves a game against the Habs. It's going to be an absolutely amazing tilt. Atmosphere through the roof. I believe that is a booking and a half. David Pasternak, anytime goal scorer, Saturday Selly against the Habs on Saturday. Incredible. Now the Sunday hat trick parley. Now last week we had the Wings Money Line a De Brinket point and the under 6.5. Well, the Wings won, gentlemen. De Brinket

had a goal and an assist. The game winner, in fact. Absolutely sharp. The Wings did win four to three. What does four plus three equal? Professor Feeney? You're asking to do math? Yes, yes, sir.

You have a PhD, good man. Jesus Christ. I am the producer of a hockey podcast. All right. What does four plus three? Let me just do some. Carry the one. Carry the one.

The seven. And Daniel, is seven greater than or less than six point five? It is unfortunately greater than and... Ballucks! We are dead. Balllicks! Two legs again and if two legs was medicine we'd be Mary fucking Poppins. The Sunday slate.

Avs at Leif's, Devils at Crackin, Knights at Sends, Penns at Canucks, Panthers at Hawks, Ducklings at Flames. I love Vegas Money Line, Jack Eichel, Point, and you sir can select the under or the over. At Sends, we will, the Sends burned us on the over last week. They will, they shan't do it again, under 6.5. Under 6.5. Leg number one, Vegas, money line, leg number two. Did you say Jack? Jack. Jack Point.

Leg number three, under 6.5. Brilliant. Yes, sir. We should get back on track now. I have good news, gentlemen. Only nine games on the Saturday, States. On the live on the beach, there's only nine. Which means the beach is less nice, but we could do it.

This feels getable. Professor Feeney start us off Sabres at Isles Professor Feeney I don't feel good about it either But I'll go with Isles Yes yes yes Daniel Mammoth at Preds She'll take the Willie Mammoth

Christopher Habs at Bruins Bean Town dirty water Yes sir Boston Bruins Professor Feeney canes at sense I'll have to take canes Yes not again Feeley Not again I do it twice in a rough

Daniel bolts at jackets. I will take the bolts. Yes, sir. Christopher, wings at jets? Give me the wings. Jets have been great, but give me the wings. I feel it in the air. I love it.

Daniel, or excuse me, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Fees at Blues. I'll take kings. Yes, yes. Daniel, Panthers at Wild, what a game. What's a game. I think the Wild would get their acts together, even though the Panthers need wins. I like the Wild. I like the Wild.

caps at oilers Christopher I want the caps I do want the caps in this one I want the caps in this one live on a beach parley Iles I feel terrible about that I don't I don't like the way that went at all listen to this I feel better about this as I did last okay all right I was good good Iles mammoth

Bruins canes bolts wings kings wild caps take the opposite of everything that's what Daniel's saying No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying, but I don't feel good. All right, life on the line, parley. Christopher, take us away. Alternate or just go? Just go.

Just go. What did we do last time? We alternated. No. I think we should do that again. Okay, but I shall go first. Yeah. Because you went first.

Last time, I shall go first this time. Leg number one of the Life on the Line, Parley. Here we go, Christopher. The Tampa Point Street. has given them a jolt Cooch can score and he can pass surely Columbus will be struck by a bolt

like they've got a rod coming out of their ass 10 for money line leg one Oh fucking hell Next game Long time foes And as the saying goes

You should never bet with emotion With the habs and bees You can guarantee Bad blood runs as deep as the ocean With young studs in net And the stage all set A matchup we look forward to the most Lane will get his cookies

But call your bookie Because the win will go to the hosts Boston Moneyline and throw in a pasta goal Oh leg three I'm leg three Yes yes Yes

You're up You fucking twice Leg number three The mammoth are ready For wild card war And lately they've been enjoying good fortune They've already beaten the Preds

once before But once not enough For a Mormon The mammoth money line Fucking Dear fucking Christ One's not enough for a Mormon Awful, terrible

Our fourth leg Sorry The canes are running away And the east they say Has never been more up for grabs But the team in the capital Is very flappable And lately

have been looking quite drab They've been taking their lumps And the sands need a bump but in this one the result seems quite clear Bussie's the best goalie alive Sends can never survive To the home fans

Make sure you've got a beer Cain's Money Line Cain's Bruins Mammoth bolts Life on the line Get it done gentlemen Get it done one time Your life is on the line

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Yeah. I dare you. It was a good discussion. These are the important discussions. These are the things that divide the internet. Yep. What do you got for us today? I had an interaction with a person, with a friend of mine.

Oh boy. Who potentially is no longer a friend of mine. Oh, God. This is that serious. I'm hoping this isn't dramatic. What is the smallest Venmo? Oh. That you two could receive.

receive and then maintain a friendship with that person. I actually, I was like concerned that I was going to be like, you're being ridiculous. I couldn't be more on your side here. This topic is so intense for me. Wait, which side of it were you on? Were you the one requesting or the one being requested? I was being requested.

Oh, thank God. Thank God. Yeah, I was recrower. Dude, I was snapping off pennies, dude. I'm okay I have some caveats here but I just want to know baseline I'm going to go on a journey here as well

when Venmo first came out and everyone started getting Venmo and the term I'll Venmo you or Venmo me became just common lexicon in conversation I was so offended I hated it I thought people who were doing that and used Venmo were cheap skates and penny pinchers and it was driving me nuts. I have come around to thinking that Venmo is an incredibly convenient and good tool.

I'm glad we have Venmo. Not as good as Cash. Wait, are we still sponsored by Cash App? Nope. Okay, yeah, then it's better than Cash App. It's way better than Cash Out. Thank. Whoops.

Yeah, it's a very convenient and good tool. I'm glad we have it. I do still think the existence of Venmo in the right circles has led to bad things because I, with my good friends who I see all the time, I believe in the you get me, I'll get you. Leave a penny take a piece. And I think it's a bummer that I can't even, if we're at the pub and I go, I'll get this round. I don't like it when my close, close friends go, I'll Venmo you. Because I'm like, no, it's fine. I got this one.

I like doing that for my friends. It's the same as, you know, during Christmas, you exchange gifts to meet your family. Now, the net, like, cost is probably the same because everybody's buying gifts for everybody else. But you still feel good because you've given a gift. Yes. So if you're buying a drink for somebody, it's like, I still feel good because I know you're going to get one in the future. but it's like I get to gift this to you now. I just...

Sean's the goat. I... The amount of fucking times that this guy comes through with the... Perfect. Is it come from Ireland? Where does it come from Paris? The perfect analogy. It's just, that is exactly what it is.

It's gift exchanging. Yeah. And it bums me out because here's what's happened. I'm not going to name any names, but I have good friends. who every time they get a round, I wake up the next morning or that night and I see a Venmo from them

and now I'm like, I'm not buying you rounds anymore. Yeah, because you're always Venmo and me. And the thing is, like, I have friends, I have friends who are the, I get this one, you get the next one, and I have friends who are the Venmo and we'll figure it out. What's hard is when there's a group setting, it always dissolves to the Venmo and figure it out

because nobody wants to be, well, I'll get this one, knowing that they're not going to get the next one. And it's like, it kind of leaves everyone with a sour taste in their mouth. So it's kind of thing where it's like, if there's just one Venmo person in the whole group, everyone has to be a Venmo person. Yeah, right. You've made me a Venmo person.

It's tough. So I went like this. I was on a similar arc with Dan where I thought, and I just mean any, the ease of transferring funds, the rise of that, Venmo, Zelle, or whatever you want. I hated it at first because I was such a leave, a penny, take a penny guy with my friend. friends, then I was like, actually, this is genius and it saved the world because now you can just pay simply pay for what you got. Like everyone's good. I will also add real quick, though, because I am definitely this, but you are even worse than me. You and I are both in massive debt

as far as the friend, take a penny leave it. Yeah, I leave a lot of them, dude. I know, I know for sure in my adult life, I am picking up more tabs. and buying, you know, ordering for like a big group. And then I just never get, never get tapped back. And so I'm definitely in debt. You are insignificant. So for that reason, you should be like Venmo's amazing. Yes.

Well, but I think it's because we have been let down by our friends. Well, I'm not sure. How much of that psychologically is like true? Because I have a conspiracy theory, because I know a lot of people who feel the same way. I don't know anyone who's like, yeah, I benefit a lot from this system.

Yeah, I'm a mooch. So I don't know if you just feel like when you lose $10, does it feel more, do you feel that more than when you gain $10? And so everyone is in a status status where they're like, it's like the poker thing, right? Like you remember every bad beat you've ever had.

Yeah. Remember any pots you take down. Yeah. I know every single bad comment anyone has ever left on any of our videos. Yeah. I don't remember any of the nice ones. I Chris doesn't even know this

I once over a three month period this is similar to the sneeze chart I kept a log of our I think I expanded it out to like 20 of our closest friends and I was checking the till

no wonder people want to be a Venmo person with you no no I was doing this because I we were doing to take a penny, leave a penny. Yeah. And it was absurd how much he picked up the tab and I picked up the tab.

And it wasn't coming out in the wash. It was like, oh. I have never shared this information. And I did not share it with the group because it would have done nothing good. Yeah, yeah. But it was, I had a suspicion. Because I had that thought that you just said. I was like, am I just clocking the times where I feel like, oh, guys, you know,

I invited everyone over to the house and we had a bar. barbecue and I went to the grocery store and spent $500 on food and drink and no one paid me. And then next weekend, no one hosted a barbecue at their place. I was like, am I just thinking about that too much or is that happening? So I clocked it over three months and I was like, no, it's happening. At what level? How much money does somebody need to owe you before you're like, I'm not doing this anymore? Yes.

Yes. Literally, okay. Before I'm not doing it anymore, if you, if you, owe me $250, I'm probably not picking up your tab. Wow. I'm not picking up your tab. You could owe me $50,000, and I would still not say anything. Oh, yeah.

I agree. I would never say anything. I would be like, well. But you'll stop offering a day, like, I'm not going to. Yeah, it's, you know, I'm not going to not invite you over to the barbecue, but I'm probably not, when I go up to the bar and I'm going, John, beer, Chris, beer. If I look at Dave, boom, who owes me $250, which I wouldn't know that I'm not that fucking petty. But if I know, like, if Dave owes me $1,000, I'm probably not going, Dave, can I get you a beer?

Actually, yeah, I would. Because again, I'm fucking beer, who cares? But I'm probably not picking up Dave's dinner. For $50K. I'll buy anyone a beer. You could owe me $50K and I'll still buy you a beer. If you owe me that money, I'm going to your house and you're making a barbecue for me. Dude, I just sit down for dinner every day.

I literally go to your house for dinner with no text. At that point, show up. It's for dinner. At that point, it's systemic and you're like, well, I'm taking advantage of that. Because he's clearly not doing anything. So I'm just going to keep going over for dinner. Okay. But your original question was minimal amount though.

Yes, yes. Right. I reckon like if it's less than what I can buy like a Snickers with. Okay. Yeah. I'm like if it's, I mean, because Snickers can get expensive. I think they're like $3 in the liquor store across the way. I'm like at $3, if someone memos me for $3, I'd be like,

whatever, but it's like, I won't be friendship ending. If someone memos me for like a dollar in 25 cents, I'm like, chill. Chill. And dude. I think it, I think it's, we keep adding caveats here. If it's a paper amount, $5. Although I know in the U.S. you have a $1 bill and a $2 bill, I guess. But $5, it seems like a good amount.

I think it's $50 for me for one person. $50. If someone who demos you for under $50, you will... No, no, for me to Venmo someone. Oh, but like, if they request you like $39. Yeah, you wouldn't be like... If someone requested me $39. Oh, oh, no, I'm saying for me to send the request to you.

Like if you and I are going up to a stand and we get... And I'm like, I'll get this one. Yeah. And it's $80, I go, I don't give a shit. Yeah. Like, I'll happily buy that for you. Yeah. If it's $120, I'm like, I might Venmo you $60.

I see, I see. But if I get a Venmo request, I think less than $20. Maybe $25. Enrages you. No, it doesn't enrage me. The fire of 10,000 suns burns the people. Less than 10, I am enraged. Less than 10, I'm like, are you fucking shitting me?

And I actually will call someone out. AJ. AJ, Audino. AJ, I knew it. They're always talking about you, AJ. AJ Audino, our dear, dear friend, this fucking guy is so generous and so amazing and so kind. But he would randomly be like, he's like, hey, I'm going to the bagel shop. You want anything?

And I'd be like, yeah, sure, I'll take a diet Dr. Pepper. And I would then get a Venmo for like 325. And I'd be like, what are you doing, AJ? It was crazy. It is a weird thing because I always want to pay back my debts, no matter how small. they are. But it's like there are friends who I'm like, I, if I'm in this thing where I'm constantly buying things for them and then they Venmo request me for any amount, I'm like, all right, chill. Like it's okay. Yeah. But then there is a kind of thing. If, if this is one of those people

who's like already established that they're a big Venmo person, then I'm like, well, I want to pay back my death. I won't be that annoyed if they're like Venmo requesting me for $2. Yeah. But it's kind of like, I know that this is that person's, you know, financial methods. Yeah. So it's kind of expected. I don't know how much I would be the minimum for me to Venmo request somebody. I have to think about that. He's high for me because if we went to dinner and it was like, hey, if we had an $80 dinner, I'd be like, yeah, you want to split it like 40? But that doesn't feel that weird to me.

Yeah. But I'm with you. So, no, that's a great point. If we're sitting down at dinner, I think it's, there's something to me about buying stuff on the fly. I know. That I'm like, right, if you have the time to process it, You're sitting down, the bill comes.

You have the mathematics labeled out on a piece of paper. Like, it makes it more convenient. Whereas if you're just, like, at a stand somewhere at a game or something, it's just kind of like, I don't want to have to figure this out right now. That's what I was thinking. If we're at a sports game and we go and we get a couple of beers and a, you know, bag of peanuts. And yeah, it's like $78. We're holding, juggling the food.

We got to get back to our seats and I'm like, I don't care. It's fine. I'll get this one. And the only time when you'd really have is like when you've gone home. but at that point, it just feels weird to be just like, hey, remember that time I bought you that, like, Coke earlier? Dude, you got, so there's two things. There's actually three things that I want to hit on, and then we can be done.

One, the, for me, the minimum amount, um, extends into, you know, you know, do you know the app split-wise? Yeah. Venmo has a split-wise function now, but basically it's like you're on a group trip and you put all the people who are on the trip, and then you can add costs.

You're like groceries. Yeah. And then you can say, this was split by everybody. But then you're like, that one dinner, that was just Chris Dan and Sean. So you can click. Right. And then split-wise simplifies the Venmo's.

So it's like, it'll just add everything up and go, you just Venmo him this, you Venmo him, that. And now everyone's even. And if you use code netters, you'll get. Shut off split-wise. Yeah. It's absolutely brilliant. I got to check the say. It's awesome.

And Venmo has a split-wise function. I'm just calling it that. But they have a function to do this now. We'll call it a simplify function. Simplify function. Hey, Venmo, if you're looking for sponsors. And the, so sometimes it'll go, at the end of it, it'll go, Chris, you owe Sean.

Like, we've each spent $1,200 over a Bachelor Party weekend, right? Across various things, but it's now adding everything up. So then it's like, after all the math, Chris, you owe Sean 250. And I'm like, no. Because like the fee. Because like, so even with a split-wise where I feel like I've just spent 12 grand. And then at the end it goes, Dan owes you seven bucks. I just go delete.

Because I'm like, who cares? It does have a habit of always kind of evening egg. What's good about that is at least you know. Yeah. At least you're like, yeah, yeah. Like go for it and delete it if you're like, I don't care about $7. But you don't know that in the end, out of the wash, you are only owed $7 until you do all that shit. There are people, though, who in the back of their mind would just be thinking about the $7 every time they look at you.

You fucking pig. I fucking hate you. All right. So the two things are, if you, and you hit this earlier, if someone says, can I get you blank? Can I get you a drink? Can I get you a breakfast sandwich? You can't. If you fucking Venmovia after that, say, say, I don't know the exact phrasing I want. I'm craving.

But I'm like, if the offer of a thing, a small thing, like if you go, can I get your car? I'm not going to go. Yeah. Oh yeah, dude. But like the offer of a coffee. Interesting. I'm like, dude, you will be paying for this. I do think we need to get back to buying single drinks for people or a single coffee is not something that we Venmo.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Although with the price of inflation now, who knows what the price of a drink or a coffee is going to be in a couple of years? Yeah, it could be rinsed. And then last one, how late can a Venmo be? I'm so glad you asked this because I forget a lot. I hit you. I hit you three months later.

I'm going to start purposefully like Venmo requesting things a year on the date. Oh, dude, it's such a good. I have been the victim of both sides of this. or I suppose not the victim, excuse me. I have been on the wrong side of both sides of this. So I went golfing with a friend recently at his country club, and it was amazing. I had a great time.

We had a dinner at the club after, and I paid for nothing while I was there. And I left going to, going, I wonder what the situation was there. Now, in my mind, I was like, I'm going to get a Venmo for dinner. There's no way dinner is free. Yeah. But at some country clubs, guests golf for free.

Like, if you were a member, you're like, you can bring a guest for free or, you know, you can bring a guest up to so many times for free a year, blah, blah, blah. Others have greens fees. When you get to the halfway houses and, you know, like the snack stands and stuff, sometimes those are free. Sometimes they're not. So we're drinking on the course. we're doing this, we're doing that.

And I'm like, I don't know if a tab is being kept. I don't know if there is a greens fee. I don't know what's going on. But zero discussion was had about said cost. So I was like, okay, that's interesting. Two weeks go by and said friend was like, hey, you want to come golfing again? And I was like, fuck yeah. So I went golfing again.

The same thing happened. We didn't do dinner this time, but I was like, what is happening? And I want to be clear, I could have, should have been like, What's, is this, what, is this free? Yeah. What do I owe you for that and let them, yeah. About three weeks after that. So like end of the month, we'll call it.

I got a Venmo for like $800. And I was like, okay, that there was probably $200 to $250 worth of greens fees. And then all of those drinks and snacks were clearly on a tab. And I was like, that is totally fine with me. And I can't wait to come golfing with you again. And I will pay all that money. but I didn't know. So I was like, I imagine that Venmo came in so late because he was doing his,

it's like the end of the month, he gets his bill from the course. And he was like looking at, okay, this is when Dan came, blah, blah, blah. That was a little late for my liking without any conversation. If there had been like a, hey, by the way, I'm putting all this stuff on a tab at the end of the month, I'll tally it up and send you Venmo. I'd be like, oh, got it. But if it's going to be that late, I think, think you got to give people a warning. So the other side, I don't even know if I want to say this

on the show, but I won't say the event. There was an event had earlier, or in the end of summer, here in L.A. with all of our friends. And I, at the end of it, I picked up the tab and it was like fucking $3,500. And I was like, I, we got a Venmo. Yeah, we got it. Yeah. And I was not the only person

in charge of said event. And in talking to other person, I was like, we got to send these Venmos. And we just didn't. And it's been fucking four months. And I'm like, I can't send those vamos now.

It's done. So like, I'm just eating that bill because I feel so embarrassed to be like, do you guys remember back in October when we did, said thing, can you all give me like 50 bucks? And it was... So collectively, are you at $3,500?

Yeah. I'd be sending those... That's my opinion has changed. I'd be nickel and timing every single. There is no statute of limitations. Yeah. That is crazy. But it's my fault.

I've waited too long. I can't do it. How much are you guys getting paid? I can't afford to be getting out of $3,500. This is a disaster. I've been financial ruin because of this. You remember when I was out of the office for a few days? I had to sell a kidney.

Yeah. Literally, I was like, Holy fucking Jesus Christ. So yeah, I do think... You waited too long. I waited way too long. It's my fault. If I was part of that,

I would be totally okay with you Venmo requesting me. I would not think anything of it. You know what? Shout out Sam Barrett. I brought up this to Sam who was at said event and he looked at me and he was like,

obviously Venmo us. And I was like, I appreciate you. But I feel too embarrassed. I fucked up. My boy party. He's friends with Dan, too. my boy party and I, he will just Venmo me every now and then for like an Uber he takes.

Like he's, he's like in San Francisco having a night out on Saturday and he'll Uber home and it's like 17 bucks and he'll Venmo me 1781 for my Uber home and I just go pay. And I do it back to him. Like I will just send him fucking rogue Venmos. And he's like, pay. Okay, sounds good. I recommend. High recommend.

That's a good friendship. That's a great friendship. It's so good. Venmo, I mean, listen, it's a great tool, but you got it. There's etiquette. Be careful. There's Venmo. I do like the idea of like if you're your check, if you don't just get a receipt,

if you get a check, if you get a bill at your table with that's in a little tray, then Venmo's completely on the table regardless of the price. Yeah, yeah. I like it. But if you're like standing up and doing something, yeah. Similar to fries. Yeah, similar to fries. Similar to fries.

Standing up, we're good, dude. Sitting down, Venmo, fine. Yeah, I'm done with this rule. Boom. Yeah. I love it. See, Pete. Do you have a game for us?

I have a game for us. Okay. This game is called What's the Connection? I love this game. So everybody's favorite game, I ask you ten trivia questions. Nine of them have answers, and the tenth question is, what connects those nine answers? One time, all the answers were the names of famous movie and TV dogs. One time it was all Marvel's, all comic book here.

Dan, are you ready? I sure am. Question number one. If you ask who is the best number blank in NHL history, there is a common answer. But it's tricky because another legend from the same franchise wore this number as well, but he gave it up to the former for his retirement ceremony. What number is it? Okay.

The give-up number? Yep. Okay, I'm going to say seven. Ray Bork for Lasbosito, Sean. And I cannot, you know. Say the answer. Of course. Yeah.

I cannot say the answers because it'll give it away. Number two. Question number two. I'm doing an impression. Soft hands. You don't shoot the puck to your teammates. You sail it to them. You don't stop the pass.

You accept it. Cradle it. Concentration, not strength. Gordon Bomb Bay. was teaching his players using what during this scene. We're going to say an egg. Question number three. There are several ways you can get a delay of game penalty in the NHL.

I feel like I already know the connection. One of them is shooting the puck over the glass from your defensive zone. Another is if any player other than the goalie uses their what to make the puck unplayable. I'm going to say hand, but it might be glove. Question number four. Five of these have played in NHL history. Three from Sweden, one from Canada, and one from the U.S. Easily the most successful one, or easily the most successful is one of the three from Sweden.

It was like they had telepathy. Oh, twins. Twins, Basil. Question number five. In the 2020-21 shortened NHL season, the divisions were changed. due to COVID restrictions. There was East, West, Central, and What? Which featured all the Canadian teams.

Shit. That'll come to me. We'll come back to it. Put that blank down. Yeah. Question number six. During TV timeouts, NHL teams have an ice crew that zip around the rink while the players go to their benches.

Despite their name, it's not ice they are getting rid of. What is it? Oh, snow. Question number seven. This player has. had a penalty shot with 19 seconds left of the 2012 Winter Classic to tie the game at three all against the Rangers as a member of the Flyers, but Hank saved it. This was a very popular Flyers player, but he was also a very popular Sabres player before that. He is now a current GM.

What was the first name that people called him by? Hmm. Damn. I think I don't remember this one. You'll get it. Put that blank though. Will I? Question number eight. Fire shootout player in the winner classic. We were at Buffalo Wild Wings together in Newington watching this game. Were we real?

And he's a coach now? Current GM. Oh, he's a GM. Well, I don't want to say yet. I'll give you that hit later though. Question number eight. A hockey rink is surrounded by boards, and that is usually the term for them. A puck can be rimmed around the boards or you can check someone against the end boards,

but sometimes they are called by another name. usually when a forward is standing near the hash marks on the half blank. Got it. Wall. That's for eight. Question number nine. The HL affiliate of the Carolina Hurricanes is in Chicago. Their mascot is named Skates.

He's only a five-hour drive from the professional basketball mascot in Minnesota, whose name is crunch. They would probably be friends because Skates is also a blank. Okay, which ones do you not, which ones do you think you know, and which ones do you not know and do you know the connection? I think I know the connection. So I've got seven hand. This is awesome.

I've got seven egg, hand, twins, north, snow. Oh, you got? I got north. I believe it's Danny Breyer. So Danny, Wall. And nine, I'm guessing, is Wolf. And the connection is Game of Fame. Thrones? That is correct, Dan.

Is wolf correct? Yes, it is. Okay, that was a full-on guess. I don't know either of those. The Chicago Wolves, the H.L. affiliate. There you go. So, that's great. The twins is a crazy clue. Yeah. Like, that's deep thrones knowledge.

Well, there was some easy, there was going to be... Even egg. Like, I feel like, if you are unfamiliar with Dunkin the Egg and you haven't watched a night of the Seven Kingdoms yet, that would be a good one, too. I shouldn't have put those two first. I, to be honest, I actually thought after 7 an egg, it might have been Harry Potter because Harry wears 7 in Quidditch and 7 is the most magical number and egg is the clue in the dragon egg, yep, correct. But then that's just great.

Great clues. Excellent job, Dan. Wow. Fantastic stuff. Fantastic stuff. Fantastic episode. Oh, yeah. Great, great stuff from everybody, Sean.

You're incredible as always. Thank you. We've got awesome interviews coming for you. you next week. Fun stuff. NHL players hopping on the show. We've got Olympics coming down the pipe. So be ready for tons of coverage of that. Let's have a great weekend. Let's hit all these bets. Let's enjoy ourselves. And while we do it, skate hard.