Empty Netters Podcast - Why Kirill Kaprizov Turned Down The Richest Contract in NHL History | Empty Netters EP 230

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

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Ice is ready and we are back with another episode of the empty netters podcast brought to you by BetMGM. I'm your host, Dan Powers, and with me, a man who will so frequently inconvenience himself to do something nice for another person, he would literally do your taxes if you ask him twice. Chris Powers. But don't ask me two times. Don't do it, as always. Don't do it. And then, you know it, back in the saddle. Producer Brian Baker, back with the boys.

How you doing? How you doing? We got a spicy episode today. Lots of things are brewing in the world. We're getting right into hot ice. And the first topic, Coral Caprizov hates the Minnesota Wild. Wow. Damn, Krill.

Damn, Krill. Savage stuff. Dude. Reports saying he turned down a record-breaking $128 million contract. Allegedly. would yeah right allegedly um would have made him the highest paid player in the league by a healthy margin do you believe it yes i don't believe it really i don't believe it i think it's bullshit after the shit that sway went through last summer all the misinformation good point can we can we fix the league

with misinformation from agents and gms alike why don't we just be honest. If I were an agent, I would go like this. Let's say my client did turn down something. I would literally just, I'd do a press conference. And I'd go, we got offered this by this, we turned it down. Won't tell you the reasons, but we turned it down. So what if that's what happened? What if they offered him 16? And he said, no. Then I think his agent should come out and say it. But I'm pretty sure what was the report that rebuked it? It was like, his agent was like, that is categorically false. Yeah, okay, okay. So that's what I'm saying. Like, this is, Yeah, someone's lying.

Somebody be lying. And it's always, somebody always be lying. Do you think, do you think that should extend to negotiations, Dan? Like, people go, people go, hey, this is what I'm offering you. Even, not even salary stuff, which happens all the time, but just like Facebook marketplace. I put something higher than I want to sell it for because I know that they're going to come in lower than I want and we're going to meet in the middle. Do you think we should just stop that as a society? Like, I should go, this is $20 and someone goes, agree.

Or not agree and good day. you're promoting getting rid of haggling. Yeah. Like we haggle over salary. I love haggling. It's like going to the gypsy market. Dude, yes. And you know what's crazy is in this country, we don't haggle that much.

But when you go elsewhere, dude, I will never forget in my entire life. And I was going to say, I won't say his name. I still won't, but nothing he did was illegal, so it doesn't matter. But when I went to T-O-1 for a bachelor party and with you. and we, someone went into the drugstore. No, we weren't in Tijuana. Didn't we stop? Were we in Baja?

Well, that was the bachelor party, but I thought we stopped on the way. Maybe we did. And he goes, he was buying, legally buying drugs over the counter that are not available over the counter in America. Yeah. And there's a pharmacist, dude. Like, it's a person. The pharmacy. And there's a pharmacist in like a white coat and we're like, we'll have this drug, please.

And they were like, this, no problem, $80. and he was like, 40. And I was like, wait, are you haggling at the store? Yeah.

Like, imagine going to Ralph's, dude. I was about to, I was about to say, I'm going to now advocate for, go to the grocery store, go to the checkout counter, have them scan all your stuff

and they go, $168, please, and you go like this, 140, best I can do it. 135, not budget. I wonder what people would say. And if, dude, you've just scanned everything.

And if they go, this is not a negotiation so you go, just lost yourself some business and you just walk out. Yeah, leave it all there. For that reason, I'm out. For that reason, I'm out.

Then they have to put all that stuff back. I wonder if we all started doing this more if people were like, this is getting crazy. Hagel more, dude. Maybe we should start haggle more. Yeah. Should start haggling for everything. Dude, I think that is...

Could be fun. I think that is genius. I think the krill issue is term. He is, how? Carol Caprizov, I believe, is 27, 28. He's just turned 28. I think he goes, he's 28 years old. He signs an eight-year deal right now.

That's it. Yep, but eight-year tickets are going away, by the way. So, like, seven-year ticket. That's it. But he signs a four. He pops off for four years, and then he's 32. He could sign another ticket. because it's going to be up so much.

Yeah. I don't know though, dude. Like, I don't know that he's getting... What would the number come down to if it was a four-year deal? Well, again, in four years, let's say Krill pops off, scores 50 plus goals a year for four straight years. I bet he signs for more. I'm not even kidding. Right, but I'm saying if he sends a four right now, it's not going to be at 16.

It's going to be at... Well, 13. That's the question, dude. Because I think if Minnesota goes like this, okay. Fuckface. Yeah. Flaming Dragon. Here's four years at 12 million.

I think he goes, no. Yeah. He wants four at 16 and then... And then he wants to sign... And then he wants to sign four at 24. Ten year deal, dude. I bet a 32-year-old krill, if he plays well, could sign a seven-year ticket. Some team would be willing to go, we will employ you until you're 39.

And dude, he wouldn't even touch the latter half of that contract. He'd be in a KHL by 35. he is he will get paid again though at 36 but you're saying for way less way less and it'd be like a two I think he fucks off then too I think he goes to the KHL after that right I'm I'm that's why I'm like time doesn't your deal and leave because he can get more money that's why he would sign another deal at 32 and then he still that he would sign till he's 40 or I guess 39 and then or like 36 like he could sign another four year deal I think he gets more money this way if he does Krill strikes me as the type of guy who is all about the Benjamins.

Me too. Dude, I love all the cats. I really don't think. I am not dissing the Minnesota Wild or I'm not trying to fire up any wild fans. I don't even know how you could fire them up. They're the most lovely people in the world. I am not here saying Krill doesn't care about the Wild. But I am here saying I think he cares more about the money than he cares about the team.

Yep. So Leon Drysaddles 14 AIV. the highest in the league. Yeah. As of right now. Matthews 13.25, McKinnon 12.6. Matthews done in 2027 and then Connor 12.5 done immediately.

Yeah. I have actually had a crazy tangent thought, Dan. Okay. The McDavid saga, 100% he was going to take time clearly. Like he was like, I want to think about this and whatever, and we're not going to get into that again right now. Yeah. But once the Krill number.

came out or this rumor came out it did make me think that there's a chance connor's camp was waiting for krill that this is a factor in connor's slow decision making because they're certainly not going to come in under krill i dude i i i tweeted the other did you see my tweet no i didn't i tweeted the other day that that exact thing and i was like this is a classic mexican canadian minnesota standoff yeah is what we've got going on They're both, both their agents are gone. Which is fair from Conner's team. Like, Krill's team going, I guess what Connor gets so I can come in.

I'm like, I actually, I'm going to be honest, I think it's dumb from Krill's team because I think there is more of a chance that Connor signs a little, a little bit more of a friendly, a friendlier deal. And you got to just get in there, brother. Because, dude, you can set it. Set it at 16 and then the oilers have to give Connor 16 and a half. Go set the market. Because if Connor goes, you know what, I don't want to pay more than my boy, I will also

take 14. Then the wild go, here's your 13 krill and shove it up your tailpipe. Dude. How important do you think this is for Minnesota to get done? The, he is so good. I agree. And he does so, I was about to say he's the best player by a mile. It's not by a mile. They actually have some very good players in that team. They're a very good team. But he is their best player. Yeah, and maybe by a mile. And he stirs that dream. Dude, he stirs, what's a Minnesota drink? He stirs like a, what's that sick Shandy beer, dude? What I'm talking about?

Minnesota, Shant, I don't know. I think he might be their best player by a Mide. Who is their next best player, Boldie? Boldie's nasty, dude. Yeah, he's nasty, nasty. But I think Krill's a lot. You think there's a mile between him and Matt, but he's not a mile. Not a mile.

Yeah. If you take Carole Caprizz off off this team, we saw. It is. They were a one-seed powerhouse. Yeah, it's quite bad. They nearly missed playoffs. Then he came back and almost beat Vegas. I was like, oh, shit, dude.

It's rattling to me the idea that there's a price that becomes too high. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because you got a guy who. Let's not forget, last contract, this dude went, pay me or I'm going to the KHL. It's a threat at all times. It's a threat at all times. But at any moment, he could leave.

It did feel like when they caved and gave him that bridge, he was like, I was never going to the KHL. Yeah. But it's like, you know, when you show the bluff. Yeah. Most people, you know, they take the bluff and they just dump it. And he goes, I had rags. Yeah. Fuck you.

To me, there's a chance that that was bullshit, but there's a chance it was real. So I think there's always, this is Jenny from Forest Cumb. You never quite have her. She's going to fuck off and get AIDS at any moments. Trying to hold, it's trying to catch water. Yeah. Bare hands. Truly.

It's, I don't know what you do about this guy. And my point is, if you fucking give this dude like 20 mil, if you just go, fuck it, want to take it off, take it all. Take it all. They finally got all that dead cap off the books, you know, like Eric was talking about. And they're like, you're a krill, take it all. And like, what's, listen, I'm a background. I am not willing to say that this guy's injury prone just yet. He played 75 games just two years ago.

But like 67 before that, 41 last year, if you guys, if you give this dude the bag, what's stopping him from getting fat and lazy? Yeah, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. I don't know enough. I'm not close enough to Krill or the wild to know if this guy was like, no, no. He is so committed. He's all in.

But I also, I don't, I'm telling you right now from a pretty close watcher. I'm looking through the windows. Yeah. Doesn't seem like he's that dialed. And everyone knows there's always the fear. Yes. I think going into the summer, wild fans were like, oh, I hope we take care of this quick. And here we are, folks.

It's September 17th. Dude, can we get into this real quick? Yeah. Do you trust? No. Do you... Hey, listen to me, pal. Not as far as I can throw it.

Do you think that you try, and I'm going to put a caveat in here before you even answer. I know you answer, but you can re-answer. I guess you don't even care about the caveat. Do you trust non-goly Russians? No, you're taking me there. You're making me say it online? Because you're making me say it publicly? Putin's listening, dude.

You be careful. I have started to feel recently. That if they're not a goalie. Because the goalies... Oh. Bazie, Bob, chesty, soroken. They're all signing long-term deals. They're amazing.

They're winning cups. They want to win. Yeah. I'm starting to get a little spooked by the Ruskis. Dude, we are careening towards another Cold War, which could get hot, by the way. And I don't know what it is, but just let's be honest. there's a there's been a few players recently who are phenomenal phenomenal phenomenal players but the second playoff start

maybe not doing that great you're not getting paid anymore yeah got a couple of brutal situations where guys are fucked off to the khl at a moment's notice who's the last who's the last Russian skater you trusted kutcherov you trust kutche you trust kooch I trust You said trusted. Oh, you don't trust him anymore. No.

I do not. I will not have that on record. But I do think that the past couple of years in the playoffs have been a little spooky. It could be Datsu. Could be all the way back to Datsu. Could be all the way back to Pavel Datsu. Yeah. That's true.

Because I'm with you, dude. The Kovilchuk is like. That's the scariest situation of all time. Yeah. And that almost ended a franchise. Like at any moment. That man signed a 10-year deal and then went like this. Thanks for the money.

Goodbye. There's things in place to prevent it, but only so far, dude. Like, to your point, Krill could go eight years, 120, 16-mill A-A-A-V, thanks, and then go, I don't care. And then they go, well, what do you mean? And he goes, I literally, what I mean is, what I mean is. I do not care about playing for the wild, dude. Let me try to say this in a way you understand. I got my money.

I don't care anymore. I'm leaving, dude. And they go, what are you going to do? Go home to Russia? And he goes, yes. Or not even that. Or it just goes like this. I.

That's what you're going to do. Da. You betcha. Watch me. Watch me take this thing all the way over to Russia. I think it's either that or he just goes like this. I'm chilling now. We can't trust him.

We cannot trust him. I'm not saying we don't trust him. No, no, I am saying that. No, no. We do not trust. We're just a little spooked. We're spooked. We're spooked.

Because we don't trust him. And he would be spooked if you trusted him. Here's the thing. We're going to get into some trade situations. But before we do that, we're talking about the Minnesota Wild. I do believe there is a dangerous game, friendo, in the space of paying him too much in case anything like this happens. Or, by the way, and like I pull. up their cap space, they have four mil

right now, and like his nine will come off, obviously. But the, not to like drag the oilers again, but we, you don't want to be like completely invested in this top heavy thing. The Leafs, I would look, leave the lawyers on for a second. The Leafs, the big four, we're all making over 10 mil, knock it out of the first round.

Like, this isn't what you want. No. If you can avoid. Exactly. If you're going to go, it's going to take 18. I'm like, dude. Look at the Cains. Look at Florida. Like, look and this is what you want to model it after. Yep. So giving someone so much money is scary. Scary is Spooksville, USA.

So before we flip the script, which I think is what you're about to do. Well, yeah, I was just going to say, like a 16 mill. You can live with that? I can live with. And there are a lot of people who say he's not worth it. I can live with 16.

Eight by 16 right now. Yeah. It's brutal. It's brutal. It is brutal. But at the same time, I'm like, all right, you know, like I'm looking at the wild.

They don't have anything that insane. outside of that. It's like he, Matt Boldy is making seven mill till 2030. Yeah. You know, Eric Seneck,

5.25. Rossi, five for three more years. And you got fucking Faber on that beautiful 8.5. Spurgeons, only 7.5. So like,

if he's done one outlier, you can live, but I don't, I really don't think you can go above this. If this turns into a full-on panic, because this is what we wanted to get into.

The Wild need this. Yes. This, we're talking Minnesota here. We lost the North Stars. We got the Wild. The Wild never really did. They never flirted with a cup too much. And now all of a sudden you've got all these great players like we just mentioned.

You got a great goalie. And you've got, you lucked into this guy, Krill Caprizov, who is, by many people's standards, maybe even ours included, a top 10 player in the NHL. Yeah. you can't lose that guy. You can't. But you also can't pay him too much and potentially destroy yourselves for the next eight years.

And you can't lose him for free. And you certainly can't lose him. Before you flip the script, because I wanted to bring this up, this is from Elliot Friedman on 32 Thoughts. Yeah. He says, Caprizov was on the ice at a captain's skate when the news broke

and it was kind of awkward. They go back into the room and they're all looking at their phones. And this report comes out. I heard, this is him talking, I heard Caprizov was embarrassed about that. Caprizov is probably a little bit upset that this got out too. Last week in Vegas, media week, you saw the reaction of the players when we were talking about the story. They were shocked that that kind of offer got turned down.

So, and Friedman says, imagine what's going on in the room. That, I think, can't be under overstated. Like the, the, that must have been fucking insane that you think you're having these, true or not, they're having some discussions. Yeah. You're like, whatever, I'm at the captain's gate. Yeah. All is well. Excited to be here.

Hey, boys, I'm here to win. And then they come in the room and it says, Corill told the wild to fuck off for 16 AAV. And you're like, taking your pads off. And you're like, hey, sorry. Literally everyone looks up. Dude, someone presses pause on the music. Yep. And you're like, all the captains are bringing up doing all these quotes now because they're

an ass and he goes, he's here to win, he's here to win, he's here to win. Doesn't sound like it. And if, dude, it's the only reason I brought those quotes up is because you're talking about overpay. I think you hear all those contracts on the wild. I think it's awkward if he gets 18. Like now you're just sitting in the room and you're like, hey dude, we all take these deals. Dude, if you get, you're getting 18 million. If you get 16, you're already making significantly more than double Matt Bolty. Double. I'm like, what the fuck, dude? And it's not his fault. It's not his fault that he had a great year. on his extension summer when the cap went out.

Like, that's fine. But just the numbers start to get weird in the room a little bit. Yeah. Okay, so if you can't, if you don't want to lose him for free, let's flip the script. Let's just, let's flip the script. Let's figure out ways that we can wet the beak. Let's wet the beak a little.

What would Bill do? What would you do? I think that there are things that Minnesota can do. Yeah, because like we said, this is a hockey town. It says Minneapolis. Yep. They love their hockey. Yep.

That barn is electric. This state, like when you think of Minnesota and sports, you think of hockey. We need the wild to be good. The wild being good is good for the image. So we need to keep krill, but we can't pay him more than 16. Yeah, that's capped. What do you do? Well, first, my, let's get the beak do.

My knee jerk was like bringing, of all teams, dude, he should be equipped. Not that Minneapolis is beautiful, especially in the summer, but just like, it's cold. Russia's cold. I was like, of all places, it's not that different from his homeland. How do we make Minnesota feel more like home to him? That was my first Nijia. Oh, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you want to, you want to bring stuff into Minnesota. I was trying to bring stuff, I was trying to bring, uh, D'Linky.

Yeah. When we turn Dallas into Helsinki. Yes, too. You want to turn Minnesota into Moscow. Yeah. Minyoscoo. Mini Oskow. Mini Oskow.

So, you mean the gas, obviously, but get some gas over here, get some rush to gas. That feels easy. Oh, yeah, Russia. But then I was thinking, then I was thinking, there's, There's going to be some. Baker's Spring. No, St. Peters, thank you.

Dude, okay. Let's get the fucking Kremlin. Let's redesign. Let's redesign the Mall of America as the Kremlin. So then he's driving around and instead of seeing this monstrosity that stands for the U.S. of A. Can you imagine if all of a sudden the Mall America was the Kremlin? That would be fucking gas.

It's like, and dude, that looks cool as a lot. This massive structure. That looks cool as hell. Just sticking out. We redesigned them all of America. Dude, you gaslight him. As the crap. There was a lot of gas talking.

We just make him think he's there. Yeah. And he's like, what's going on here? All of a sudden, a lot of new vodka companies are manufactured in Russia. Russian vodka. I love Russian vodka. Let's get a ton of vodka. Let's get some caviar in there.

Oh, good one, dude. Let's go like, if we stocked Russian vodka. Yeah. and Kremlin Mall of America. And then, I guess, like, caviar happy hours. Caviar happy hours. Caviar happy hours.

Across state rules. Statewide caviar happy hour. I think people would like that? Yes, we turn, what are things we get some stroganov? All right. Oh, okay, okay, okay, go, go. Minnesota State Fair. Oh, good one, dude.

Minnesota State Fair. State Fair happens, end of the, summer, like right before training. We Russian influence the fuck out of the state fair. We get stroganov up in here. Yep. We get vodka tents. We get bear fights.

Bear fights. Get the cows out. And we bring in bears and Bengal tigers. And we just turn the state fair into a Russian state fair. Here's an idea too. Here's another idea. We just, we got to start bribing him. You're talking about the Mall America.

How about this? New owner of the Mall America. Krill, here's your 8x16. Also, here's the deed to the Mall America. You own the Mall America. Make him the owner. Dude, yes. Oh, Dan.

This is where he gets the rest of his money. Yeah. So he goes 16. I got another one for you. Minnesota State Fair. We're talking about Minnesota State Fair. Sweet Marr this cookies. You a fan.

A cash cow. You a fan of, you're a fan of a cash bear. You're a fan of the Minnesota State Fair? Sweet Martha's cookies. They make over 400 grand a day. They bring it about $5 million a year. Upwards of... Upwards of...

Yeah, sorry, $5 million a year. Just at the State Fair. It's two weeks. Two weeks. Five mil. Give them 50% of Sweet Martha's. Done. You want that 16 to go up to 18?

50% of sweet marthes. Because you can even take less now. Takes 14, and I go, but you got Sweet Martha's. You also own Mall of America, which looks like the Kremlin. Now, how about the twins? Do you want the twins? Who cares about the Twins? Who cares about the Minnesota Twins? Krill Capriza signs an 8 by $16 million contract and also is now the owner of the Minnesota.

Minority owner. Minority owner of the twins. Boom. Easy. That's so much revenue, dude. What about Target? Oh, my God. There's targets everywhere. You get to shop at Target for free for the rest of your life.

What about Justin Jefferson? can he be boys with him? A guaranteed friendship with Justin Jefferson. Actually, you get Jefferson's chains. Justin Jefferson gets to give you a chain. No, because see, now we're taking from Justin Jefferson. Oh, yeah, right. The Vikings can't lose him either.

Yeah. Okay, guaranteed friendship. Jefferson gets some Russian gas. You get box seats at every Minnesota Vikings game. You are a minority owner of the twins, because who cares? Yep. Guaranteed friendship with Justin Jefferson. Kremlin is redesigned.

Mall of America is redesigned to look like the Kremlin. Free target shopping for the rest of your life. Half, 50% of Sweet Martha's cookies. And the Minnesota State Fair is now the Minnesota-Russia State Fair. The Mini-Osco. It is now the Mini-Oscoo State Festival. Mini-Oskow. Mini-Oskow is St. Petersburg.

St. Paul is now St. Petersburg. It's so good, dude. St. Paulersburg, dude. St. Paulersburg. Mini-O-Ska St. Paulersburg. That is now... Twin cities, dude.

That is how we keep Kriel Caprize off. I do not see how he turns this down. And I don't see how Minnesota has any issue with this. Dude, because if you do, you just lost Crow for free, you idiot. Yeah, and you're going to get a cut. Yes. Dude, speaking of that, Dan, by the way, this got me thinking, because you were saying, like, God, if he literally won't sign, unless it's a realistic number, you have to trade it.

Yeah. But you had said to me off camera that the, that Matthew Kachuk trade in Calgary did not go well. It's a tough reality. So, like, all right, we're going to transition into trades. Yeah. Like, let's say this happens. All the trades that we're shearing include two first round picks, a player and a prospect. Like, it's, this would be a Matthew Kachuk level trade.

Yeah. This would be huge. Massive. So if we're talking that trade, let's be real. And there were other factors. Johnny Goodrell left, RIPR boy. Yep. But the flames have been on a downward trajectory since that trade.

They're coming up a little bit now. But you know what I mean. You look at the Panthers versus the flames. Obviously, that worked out much better for the Panthers. So if you're Minnesota and you're like, yeah, we're going to have to trade them. Sorry, like, this is how it is. This is kind of spooky, dude. Like, this is a spooky possibility.

Yeah, because you've got to think to yourself, if we make this trade, we are fucked. Like, we're going to miss the playoffs and this is, like, we're, we're dead. So what is a trade? Like, what's a team where you could possibly see this working out? Well, here's what, there's two ways to look at this that I find fascinating. One is, what would even be, like literally riff some trades that you would go, okay, if you're the wild. You go, that wasn't, we're not fucked now.

Yeah. Okay. And you don't have to be, like, I don't need one for every team, but I'm thinking you need a star back, a fucking legitimate star back, and multiple firsts. And what's fucked, well, actually, so here's what's interesting. And like, even that is fucked because, like, you're getting a late round pick probably and they're like, it's a bust. Here's what's interesting. Huberto and Wegar went to Calgary because they signed in Calgary.

Yeah. So that is, that trade still confuses me to this day. I know. Like, on paper, like, it's crazy how much of a haul, uh, Calgary got. Yeah. You mentioned a star and let's stay on that train because I brought up. Oh, okay. What's another guy, a hundred point guy that we've been here in trade talks with and it's Jason Robertson.

And part of me is like if you just did like a left wing for left wing swap. But what people keep forgetting is whoever trades for krill is going to have to pay him 16 to 18 mil a year. Yeah, yeah. Well, okay, so hold on. Get like, if the, ignore all the money for a second. Yeah. If you are the wild and you're trading krill to the stars, because we'll just stay on that. Yeah.

You would need Jason Robertson and what? To not feel like you fucked this. If I'm the wild. Like, what's your ask? I mean, I'm, if I'm being completely honest, I'm, like, if I'm Dallas and they're like, we want Robertson, I'm like, okay, give us krill. Oh, and if I'm the wild, I go, you must be outside. your damn mind.

Yes, okay, but let's talk about that, dude. Like, Jason Robertson is three years younger. Yep, that's a good point. And in the last three years has played 82 games, 82 games, and 82 games, and has had 80 points, 80 points, 1009. So if I'm Dallas, I go, fuck yourself. He's better. Yeah, right.

He is the better player. So, like, that is one where I'm like, because I said to you earlier, obviously, everyone, calm down. But like if the only way I swallow this is like a if if the wild went, hey, Edmonton, Connor doesn't want to be there, Krill doesn't want to be here. One for one, swap a roo. Obviously, Edmonton would be like, get bent side. Outrifting.

Like they would go, okay, we'll do Connor for Krill plus two first round picks. Yep. And Minnesota would be like, no, you're fucking high. So like, this is one of those situations where the player is so. contentious because Minnesota and most people, we've got a lot of people in our DMs who have been like he's not worth 16 million year. And I'm like, if he's healthy, you are fucking mental if you do not think he is worth that. He definitely is. But there is the butt to it. The health is a huge thing, but he's just so significantly over a point per game.

Oh, he's disgusting. He's disgusting. And he's got 50 goal potential, which is insane, even more. But like, let's just be realistic. He's got 50 goal potential, consistent 50 goals. potential. He's been over point per game every second of his life since he was 51 in 55 and his and with 27 goals. I probably over glaze Krill, to be honest, but no joke, dude, I would not take anything less back than obviously swap an equivalent. Yeah. Like one of those guys we named in the top tens. Also, I don't think you do. I think Krill was a lock MVP through 40 games last year. lock. So I pretty much trade any of those top tens, taking all money and everything out of it. And if it's not a top 10, which drops into a Jason Robertson range, I'm like, I wouldn't even take a Jason

Robertson and their first, because I'm like, your first is going to be bad because you now have krill and your team is good. And that's essentially such a shot in the dark for me. I would take a Jason Roberts level player and I would be demanding like a stank of it. Or like one of your young guy, so I'm like, I'm taking him too. Yeah, so I'm the wild. So Carolina is, just because you brought up St. England, Carolina is one of the teams people have been saying, I think it was Michael Russo was like Carolina is a team that is sniffing.

If you make a trade with Carolina and I'm the wild, I go, it's going to cost you Svetchnikov two first round picks and... I don't need. the picks though like it's just not I do they're just so bad picks like I want your it doesn't matter I want your prospect it doesn't you've already started to develop like we talk about dude everyone overvalues that first round pick like use the picks on players but every team NGM overvalues them so I do want the picks because saying we have two first round picks to then later trade or use to use like it is you need him yeah I don't hate that like are you fucking

stupid are you telling me that like you if you were like yeah give me fetching What do you want, Svetnikov and then like three prospects? I would want Svechnikov and, yeah. Like I would want guys that are playing that I'm like, I know what I'm getting here versus pick 32. You would be laughed out of the NHL if you did that trade and you value prospects over the picks. Because the picks, as we always say, dude, this is just how delusional people are. You've got to think about fans. You've got to think about everything.

That first round pick could be Connor McDade. Not at 32. Yes, it could. Like, that is how people value first-time picks. I know, but they're, I think that they're wildly mistaken. Correct. But they are objectively more correct than your prospect, because we would already know. Right.

That's my point. Sorry. It's the mystery box. Yes. But I want, like, I don't want a guy in the age. I want Jackson Blake. I go like this, Svetchnikov and Jackson Blake. The mystery box is better than Jackson Blake, respectfully to Jackson Blake.

The mystery box is better than Jackson Blake. At 32, I disagree. But you're wrong. No. Yes, you are. Like, this isn't, I'm not disrespectful. No, no, that's the point. The mystery box is better because it could be.

But the percentage is so low. It doesn't matter. The fact that there is a percentage. Like we know. Okay, then you're right. The mystery box is better, but the expected value is worse. So I'm taking expected value. I mean, okay, fine.

But let's look up the last 30. No, no, no. That's fair. But my point is you are wrong because people value the what could be more. The trade is your best point. Like, since they are also, since everyone else. is also dumb, I can then trade the dumb thing to them and they can have the bad Mr. Rocks.

But the thing that I keep going back to is like, this fucking guy is clearly being like, give me 16 to 18 mil year. Yeah. For however many years it is, it doesn't matter. So we've also heard fucking Baker's Rangers brought up. Yes. And we've got these fucking idiot morons reporting like, oh, well, he's actually quite close with Igor Shisterkin and our Jeremy Panarin and Vladislavlov Gavakov. And I'm like, oh, get the fuck out of your Russian players in the league are tight.

That's fucking crazy. Dumb. But also, credit to him. Larry Brooks came out and it was like, if you think that it's a good move for the New York Rangers who are nowhere near competing for a Stanley Cup right now, to trade two first-round picks and a prospect and likely a player. And good player. To get Kriel Capriza of who they will then pay 16 to 18 mil a year.

and then also we'll have to pay Artemi Panera next year. You are fucking crazy. And you think that that is good for the team. And I agree with that. He's such an interesting guy where I'm like, dude, who, like, what team is actively and happily going to go, here's 18 mil a year? Yeah. And have it not fist fuck your franchise. Baker, you want him?

We got Rempi. We're good. He's right. Krill and Rampi out there together. Do you imagine? That would be sick. It'd be incredible. Here's my question, Dan.

Because you're right, that's a big number. And someone's going to pay it, obviously. My question is, if he's getting moved, which I highly doubt, to be honest. But if he's getting moved, what? How much is a title worth to a GM, to a fan base? Because for me, and this is coming from a Boston fan. across all the four major sports who was born at the right time that got a ton of success. So I'm extremely spoiled.

But the model of coming in and doing what is necessary to win a title and then mortgaging some future, I am so fine with because the titles are what I remember. It's not, I don't remember going off. We were so good. Like I look back on the Bruins post 2011 and go, that was a disaster that we were so close a bunch of times. But I'm like, who cares, dude? We lost.

Like, you need to capitalize on the. those wins. The Stanley Cup is the hardest trophy to win, so you can't necessarily buy a title guaranteed, right, which sometimes in other sports it feels like you can. But long-winded way of saying, Krill has one more year left at nine. Yeah. We keep being like, well, eventually someone's got to pay him 16. I completely agree. But if you swung a trade for him, that cost a lot, obviously, you just heard me ranting and raving about how much it would cost, a star, prospect, blah, blah, Picks, if you traded for him as a rental only and just let him leave, you spent all that capital to just let him walk for free, but you won the cup this year, that is worth it to me.

And Krill at nine, there are a few teams. Carolina, frankly, is one of them. They have 10-milled cap space right now. And I go, dude, you have been to the Eastern Commerce Finals over and over and over and over. And I'm like this, trade away your picks and figure out the package that makes it work, get krill there as a rental and then he leaves and then I go Tulski you're a fucking genius

you won the cup and now you're like I are not going to win the next year I'm like who cares? Dude I want to give him the floor Baker had a good idea what you got Baker The avs bro dude I would I would they have I think 1.3 in mill in cap space I would trade

Martin Natchis and you know first round pick and be like and I would be like and I do not need a contract on the table Yeah. What is Natchez making? 6.5. It wouldn't, like, you'd have to maneuver. You'd have to free up like 2 mil. Not even, 6.5.1. Yeah, yeah.

A mill. Yeah. Like, you'd have to maneuver a little bit to make it work, but you can easily do that. Yeah, no, that's no problem. I would straight up go, here's Natris, here's a first round pick and a prospect. Give me krill for one season. Maybe we'll figure it out in the summer. But, like, you add krill to that Aves team? Dude, and I, though, I mean, yes, dude. Yes, a thousand times over. And, yeah, I guess because the wild. That's a good question for our Colorado Avalanche fan, friends.

If you go Martin Natchez, a first round pick, and a good prospect for one year of krill, do you win the cup? Probably I would. This is what I'm saying, dude. Probably I would. If I was teams in the NHL watching this go down, I would be kicking tires on what do I need to do to pry krill out of there as a literal rental. I'm not even worrying about the fucking like ramifications of how are we going to fit him later. I'm like, you're not. Literally win the cup this year and then fucking deal with it elsewhere.

That's very intriguing to me. Super. Wow. Going to be wild, pun intended to see how this all shakes out. 100% it is. Moving on, staying in hot ice. We got to get to the latest captain announcement in the NHL. J.T. Miller announced captain of the New York Rangers.

Knee jerk reaction. I was... That's your captain, Baker. I was... Should have been remy. Should have been remy, dude. Should have been Johnny Quick. Should have been...

I actually, we were talking to Laz. Lazz said he thought it would have been Trocheque. I actually like... That would have been pretty cool. Trochecich felt like the choice to me. But how come? Like he said that too, obviously, and he's way more dialed in. But why do you guys say that?

Trocheque, just like, when things got bad, Trochevich felt like the solid rock foundation. I mean, I guess I would hear that, especially if Ladd, or excuse me, Ladd, if Laz agrees. And I'm not saying it's always a tenure thing, but I'm like, I guess I just don't know what they're like in the room. Mika is like the Rangers. I know he had a bad year, but I'm like, he's your boy. Even Adam Fox, who's young, but like feels like a McAvoy type thing where you're like, wasn't that your captain in waiting eventually?

to the point that I'm, it seems to me so similar to the, the Rangers and the Bs are so similar right now and they're, it's crazy. Like they're going through, they were good, they're going through hard times, but they have pieces at each position that you believe in, that to build around elite pieces, that I don't know why they're not doing the Bruins thing too right now,

where it's like we don't have a captain, which they obviously were doing, it's fine and someone will grow into the role. I think there's a couple guys, on the bees that had a better argument for it, like you kind of really swung me on the pasta thing than maybe some of the Rangers guys do. And if they had made it Trocheck or Fox, I'd be like, all good. But this reeked to me of a, just, you know, you're good, like a couple alternates and we're fine here. The fact that J.T. Miller comes in. And I ignore for a second everything about

him, the person that's been said about the time in Vancouver, whatever. Literally, I'm just talking like straight up hockey, him coming in and then being like captain. It was shocking to me. Because it's not one of those, you traded for Ray Bork and people pull their letter off their sweater and give it to him. Yeah. I was like, what, dude? So I was blown away by that announcement. It didn't shock me that much.

The take I have is the Rangers are leaning into bring back bullying. Yeah. I think they're making a conscious effort. Yeah, yeah. This team's soft. we need more grit. They want a captain who is going to motherfuck his teammates

relentlessly with no regard. Yeah, and just like that's how we some people like that. Some people like that. You're going to get called a little bitch if you don't practice hard now. Some players don't respond to that. Some players do respond to that.

And if that's the culture, they want to build, then yeah, like, do it. I genuinely think that that's what their vibe is. Like they're being like, we need someone who's going to have some piss and vinegar. the best out of the boys that way. Because sometimes I do think,

especially in the modern NHL with the player coaches and everything, sometimes it's a little bit like, rah, rah, we're at camp, it's all fun, and some of the accountability drops. Obviously, I think that can get ripped too far, but it is an option. It is a possible solve.

I just can't believe, dude, like, it's weird to me. Maybe I'm, like, I don't, I don't, there's a part of this, I just don't understand, but new guys, I know he'd been on the team as a young kid, guys getting named captain should be very rare in my opinion until they've been there for a while I think it's weird. I think it's weird. Oh yeah, you know, you've really made an impact on this.

Like you don't see floor obviously they would never strip the letters that are on those players, but if you don't see Florida Panthers being like, well, we got marshy and like immediately we need to move the letters around. It's like, dude, he's good. Like he can be vocal. If J.T. Miller wants to be a leader in that locker room, not wearing the sea wasn't stopping him at all from doing that. Yeah. You know, like he can just do that on his own, and I'm sure they would support it. So it was crazy to me that the organization, after having some questionable captain's picks in the recent past anyway. I know, it's true.

What? So, yeah, you're entering a weird era. Like, if this doesn't work and, like, you go, like, Truba, who you unceremoniously trade it away, and now this. It's interesting. Yeah. Interesting. So.

But I think it's, I truly, I think it's bring back bullying. I think that's their vibe. Yeah. They just want someone to be a motherfucker. Well, yeah, I guess not to get into it, but that, it was extra surprising for me because of whatever the fuck smoke was happening in Vancouver, all of that shit to come in and be like, anyway, that's our bore right there. And I'm like, oh, well, okay.

They're making a choice, dude. They made it. They certainly made it. We'll see. And I know he loves it there. So I'm sure he's going to give that roll everything he's got. Yeah, yeah. Rangers are going to be interesting this year, some of the bees.

Let's finish up with some Jonathan Tave's talk. Yep. What do you got for me? I was looking at NHL.com released their top storylines as camp starts today. And it was everything what you expect. McDavid contract, Crowe Contract, blah, blah, blah, Marner on Eichael's line, all stuff we've talked about a ton. But the one I saw on there that I was like, oh, interesting, was Jonathan Taze on the Jets.

And like, how excited everyone was for that. And I looked up, you know, their lines, like projected. lines. Right now he's in 2C between Profetti and Nyquist. I'm sure that could, you know, all of that's going to be up for grabs. Last season, he played, he was 34 years old, he played 53 games, went 15 goals, 16 assists, 31 points.

I love that he's back. Like, it's so sick. But what are you expecting out of him production-wise? And what do the Jets need out of him production-wise, if anything? Like, maybe the answer is nothing. This is a complete flyer. If we get anything great, if not,

we are still very good. Or are you like, no, dude. We lost dealer. It's like, we need some, there's points to be had here. I need, I need a little bit from Jonathan D-Dase. Yeah, yeah.

I always say, if you ain't making no money, I don't really give a shit. Yeah. And he's making $2 million. Yeah, so dude, all I need you to do is fucking win a couple D-Zone draws. Genuinely.

And make a joke in the locker. I need you to be able to take a shit and wipe your ass by yourself and, like, maybe get a couple of them. Keep the ayahuasca. keep the ayahuasca stash coming into the locker room. Dude, $2 million a year, that is less than some fourth-line players are making on some teams. I don't give a fuck what you do.

You come in here, hometown boy, bringing good vibes, fun story, maybe you get fucking 30 points, maybe. That's worth $2 million a year to me. So, like, there are so many people, a lot of Jets fans who are putting way too much stock into this situation. I'm like, the guys on fucking food stamps. Yeah. Who cares? He can't afford to eat. No, it's not that.

It's like, who cares what he fucking does? He's playing for you for free. We made this joke already, but he can be Hellebuck Sherpa. You know, like, I think that's, I think the real win there is Helibuck and Jonathan Taze really bond in their, in their wilderness retreat. Leadership, leadership, dude. That's what he needs to bring. He's lifted three cups. Like you said, dude, he got his mind right.

Yep. Now he's back. And give me his, give me his, how many goals are you going to score? Give me his stats, end of the year. Yeah, okay. Games, goals, assists. So I think what's tough about this team is like, yeah, they have him on second line. I don't like that.

Me neither. I think he should be your third line. Hondo P. I think it is tough that that is, looks like the role that this 37-year-old man is going to have to play. Who hasn't played in three fucking years? Literally, three fucking years. I pegged, I think I put Taves as over under at 48.5. Points.

Yeah. Or games. Points. Okay. If he plays, you know, 75 to 82. 48 and a half. And I could see the over. I could see him getting like 18 goals and 30 assists.

18 goals and like 38 assists. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like that's a very modest season for him. I mean, dude, he was an assist machine. I know, but like, dude, he's old. I mean, look at Cope. He was a comparable player to Kobe.

I know, but Copie's still in the rhythm. I think this, I think he's going to start really slow. Yeah, I could see that for sure. But at the same time, like, those last years, like the last year that you just read, dude, he was so fucked up. Yeah. Like, his body was so fucked up. But how about this? But now his body's right, his mind right.

Dude, how about this, though? He's healthy. Age 31, 2019, 2019, 2020. Yeah. 70 games, which I think was an injury. I think that just stopped because of COVID. Yeah. You know, 70 games, 18 goals, 42 assists.

Boom. But that's 31 years old and in like the prime of his life. Now you're asking him to get pretty close to that. But I think that was the beginning of his body failing him. His body is not failing him. He restructured it. Dude, he has the spirit of hookasine inside of him. He's a new man.

He is a new man. He's a new boy. He's been reborn. Yeah, he's a child. He's a young child. He's basically 25. How old do you think he is right now? He's 37.

No, but I think he's like, I think he's over. He's 37, but he's playing with the body of a 24-year-old. Yeah. That's exciting. Dude, he's in the prime of his life. So that means, Dan, we're about to get, that was a short, well, we're about to get a 47 game, because this is exactly what happened when he was 24. Okay.

47 games. No, no, no, no, no. This is what you've done. No, that's bullshit because you, that, you, that, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can't have a shortened season. Okay, 25? Yeah. He's 25.

Yeah. We're about to get 76 games, 28 goals, 40 assists, 68 points. Unbelievable. That is incredible. The Jets are going to win a cut. Jets Jets versus Aves with krill first round. Because that is a nightmare for Winnipeg. That's going to go fucking terribly for Winnipeg.

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Passed away yesterday at the age of 89, had just had his 89th birthday in August. Just a legend. True definition of that word, legend of the game out here. Watch the sting last night. I had to see it many times, but watch the sting again last night in honor of him. So I wanted to do a couple things Redford related. I love that.

First of all, I want to go through, we're going to do some movies that we've seen, rank the movies of his that we've seen, award some of his characters, discuss some of your misses, and then do something fun about the natural. I absolutely love that. Just to add,

true hero of mine one of the first actors I ever just saw and was totally captivated and then just loved following everything he's ever done guy's a fucking legend he's also a weapon

dude I'll tell you what man or female don't care who you're attracted to do yourself a favor Google young Robert Redford watch some of his older movies the guy was a stallion

he's such a stud dude and so cool and so like so there's so many the stories about he gets these early draws and people are like, oh shit, he is a shining star. Yeah, truly. Immediately is. Yeah.

Here's some of his greats that I haven't seen. I'm going to start there. These are my misses. Okay. Okay. And I'm going to actually, dude, I really got inspired to just plow through these. As you should. This month.

I'm going to watch so many movies. As you should. Okay. I, Dan, have not seen Indecent Proposal. Oh, great one. I don't think I've seen a river runs through it I haven't seen out of Africa I haven't seen all the president's men

I haven't seen three days of the Condor I haven't seen the candidate and I haven't seen the chase Chase is early yeah chase is I think those are like the huge ones that I haven't seen yeah once he broke into film

downhill racer there's a few Oh, the way we were, I didn't see that either. Yeah, so those are my huge misses, which I will be plowing through. Do you have any omissions in your Redford catalog? My big one is three days in the condor. So maybe we could watch that together. That'd be gas. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

These are primarily like 70s movies. 70s, 80s was this fucking heyday. It was an absolute ripper. Okay. Here are the movies that I've seen that are worth mentioning, in my opinion. Okay. The Natural. Sneakers.

Spy game. The Great Gatsby. the Sting, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, the Horse Whisper, Avengers, he's in a couple, one of those or two.

Winter Soldier, and he's fantastic. Winter Soldier, and Endgame, I think. Technically. I believe he does show up in the game. Winter Soldier and Endgame. All is lost.

Last Castle. Sneaky Money. Last Castle, sneaky. Seeky money. Absolutely. Okay, give me your list. What have you seen? Probably all those.

Everything you said. My big ones that, like, I just fucking love Butch casting the Sundance Kid One of my all-timers Especially of that era The candidate

Gas Yeah I gotta see that one It looks sick All the President's men Gas Also looked sick The Great Gatsby Dude

His Gatsby It's the best Gatsby It's the best Gatsby It's the best Gatsby Love it But again The ones you said Natural's huge

Out of Africa's fucking amazing Yeah Street Pete's Dragon I didn't see Pete's Dragon Stude loves Pete Dragon. I actually loved, yeah, Pete Dragon is sick. He's good. Yep. But yeah, I don't know, I can't remember if you just said this. God, he's got so many fucking bangers.

All is lost. It was a sick fucking movie. Crazy movie. All is lost, crazy movie. A few dudes I'd watch not speak in a whole fucking movie. He barely talks to it. Like, he literally says like one line when he does his May Day. He's basically old man lost in a boat. But dude, the guy will get into like some of our awards here for Redford. But the dude was just such a fucking beast. won an Oscar for directing, won an honorary Oscar as well. Dude, nominated for one acting Oscar. Yeah, which is a true.

In The Sting, which is a fucking tragedy. I actually cannot believe that. I was reading about that last night. I was like, what? It's crazy. But yeah, he directed ordinary people, won an Oscar for it, won an honorary Oscar, as I said. The guy invented Sundance Film Festival.

He saved so much land. Huge skier. Massive skier. He has saved and rescued so much land in the state of Utah. environmentalist, just fucking beautiful, beautiful dude. And it was a really impactful seeing the film community, the entertainment community be like, goddamn. Yep.

But makes me so happy that he just lived such a long and beautiful life. Incredible. 89? Come on. 89. Fucking amazing. Top five in no order Redford movies that you've seen. Butch casting in Sundance Kid.

Yep. The natural. Yep. All the president's men. Spy game. Spy game God spy game is so good Spy game is so good

And I'm gonna go Out of Africa Wow Okay And I've seen less So it's a bit easier for me honestly The Sting One?

No order, no order The Sting The Natural Though I do think those are his two best movies God the natural is fucking Was Natural not on yours Huh? Was Natural not Oners?

It was my number two Oh, Sting, Natural. Big, you gotta watch that movie. I've seen the natural. Okay, good, good. I've seen the other ones, though. Sting, natural, Butch Cassidy, fuck.

Spy Game. Wow, you're going Spy Game, too. I think Spy Game is so awesome. Dude, Spy Game is the greatest crossover ever of, I've said many times. Brad Pitt is just turning into Robert. Yeah. Like, he looks more like him every day.

I know, the older he gets. And then, together in a movie. That's why. It was just like watching, like, father and son. Yeah. I was just like, fuck, this is. This is actually tough. Because from my last two spots, I'm between, from what I've seen, I'm between Gatsby,

Spy Game, and Sneakers. And that's really hard. That's tough. Give me Spy Game and... Gatsky's one of my favorite bullshit books. I don't only read fantasy books, but Gatsby's a school book. Give me Spy Game and Sneakers just because I'm such a, like, heisty guy. Yeah, fuck it.

Those are sick. It's great. Okay, let's give out some awards, Dan. I want... These are Redford characters. We were giving out MVP, which I think is like his coolest movie. No, no, it's character. Oh.

Like this is his, or not his coolest. This is his best character, however you want to define that. Then comeback player of the year, which is the something he did later. Yep. And then the Rocket Trophy for the hottest. Yeah, you're like, dude. When he was the hottest. Or just like that character is the hottest dude alive.

Yeah, that's fucking money. MVP, you got one? I genuinely do not know how you don't say the Sundance Kid Yeah Fuck Um He's so cool He is so cool

Like that is actually probably the answer I think in the conversation though When how late in the tenure Dan does it like what year did the movie have to come out for it to be comeback player of the year? Well he That's a tough one like he He never really went on that crazy of stretches. Like people, we were talking about it earlier.

Like, he, the natural came out for, it was the four year gap. Yep. And like, that's a pretty good pick. I know. Like Redford not in a movie for four years and then all of a sudden he comes out with Roy Hobbs. But he didn't do, he did, he took 86 to 90 off and came back with sneakers and a bunch of shit.

Yep. Yeah. So maybe, maybe natural's comeback. It might be the natural dude. But. Because he was kind of humming. Like, actually, let's do that. Natural comeback player of the year because not.

does the character come back, but also it's like, the 70s were his era. Yeah. And then he's like, by the way, he essentially like relaunched another Redford career. Oh, 100%. Okay, we're joint comeback player of the year on that. MVP, your Sundance kid, which is really good. I might go...

You haven't seen all the presidents, man. No. Crazy, dude. You know, I'm going to give a quick shout out to my boy Shady. He posted a really cool clip. Redford was in an episode a long time ago. of the Twilight Zone. Oh, I didn't see that episode, but I saw that he was in that.

Where he plays death. And he's like very, in a very comforting manner, he's welcoming this old woman into the afterlife. Yeah. And like showing her it's not that scary. And I was like, pretty pointed.

Yeah. Cool. That is lovely. Yeah, very lovely. Cool, give me Gatsby. MVP, I'm going Gatsby. I know it's a literary character, but I think he does Gatsby better

than anyone's ever done, including Leo. Yep. And he, when I watch him, he reminds me of the Gatsby I picture when reading the book, if that makes sense. I'm like, this fucking guy, dude, unbelievable. We got to watch three days of the condor. I'm sure there's a bunch of people who are going to be like, dude, that. You guys are insane.

Okay, and then the Rocket Trophy. The Rocket Trophy for me is a lock. Oh. Well, it's probably one I haven't seen. Fuck. No, I think you have seen it. What is it? It's John Gage, indecent proposal.

Oh, no, I haven't seen that one. He's a fucking weapon in that movie. See that one? That's Woody, too, right? Yeah. That's so sick. Mine's the sting, dude. Johnny Hooker.

Dude, he is just, he's in, like, that scally cap, and he's always, like, knocking it forward, so it lifts on his head, and he's got crazy suits on, and he's just the con man. He's wearing a tucks all the time. Him and Newman, just cooking with gas. Unbelievable movie.

Him and Newman in the same movie is fucking hot in that movie. Crazy. God damn it. But he's also coolest shit in pretty much every movie. Yeah. Okay. To close out Redford, we're going to do an exercise, which is the natural, which is I think my favorite... I'm so fired up about this. Sports movie of all time. The natural, I think, is my favorite sports movie of all time. And one of the greats of all time, no matter where you rank it.

Yeah. Unbelievable story. Roy Hobbs. Going to be the best there ever was. Shot on a train. Fenom pitcher. Yep. Phenon pitcher was truly going to be All that mattered to him. Being the best. Literally got shot by a tempterous. Shot in a train.

After striking out Babe Ruth. No. Yeah. He was on the train? I thought he got shot in a hotel. Oh, he shot in hotel room. Yeah. Striking out Babe Ruth.

He comes back to the game years later. Can't pitch. Like 35. Hits. Incredible hitter. On a last place team. Has some iconic moments. Knocks out the clock tower at Wrigley Field.

He rips the cover off the ball. against the pirates. Turns it into a ball string. Yeah. And then knocks out the light tower to win the pennant and save the team for pop. Incredible. If the natural was about hockey day, I want to know the guy's name.

I want to know his backstory. I got to come up with his name. Yeah, we are going to come up with his name, his backstory, and those big tent pole moments throughout who he plays for, who he played for, and the big tent pole moments. Yeah. Name. Okay, let's figure out.

name. It's got to be Roy Hobbs is a great. I think we got to stick to the model. Two-syllable name. Yeah. Roy Hobbs. Great baseball name. Right? Or do you not, do you think it's only great because of the move? No, Roy Hobbs is a great baseball name. Or is it like, so it's not, we can't do Gordon? We can't do Gordon. We got to stick to the model because otherwise we're out of control here. Two syllables. Okay. Roy Hobbs. His name has got to be, I like Ken. Ken. This is an old school movie. It's not taking place today. Couldn't take place today. Yep, yep, yep. I like Ken. I like Ken. Bob, but you're going to say Bobby? I don't hate Bob.

Bob's just a little like, yeah, Bob. What about Brian, dude? What about Brian? Two syllables, you fucking idiot. I'm just saying, that's a sick name. That's a sick name. Brian Baker, hockey. I don't like Joe.

I don't hate Joe, though. What about Jim? Oh, Joe is interesting. What about Jim? Jim. Jim doesn't be like a hockey name. Jim feels like baseball. Yeah, or like football, right?

Yeah. I can see a gym football player. Let's come back to the name. Okay, we've got to come up with the story here. So he's a, where's he from? He's Canadian. Because like, Rojobs from the farm, dude. Yeah.

I think he's got to be from Western Canada. What? Because I don't think he's from, he's not from like Vancouver, but he's not from Montreal or anything like that. Central to Western Canada. I don't care where he's from. He's Canadian. Yep. What happens to this guy?

He's playing. Oh, Barnes is a good last name. Yeah, Barnes is great. That's actually what his last thing. Luke Barnes. Luke Barnes. Boom. Boom.

Luke Barnes. is our character. Luke Barnes, Canadian. Country Canadian. Country bread Canadian. Sick at hockey. Absolute hammer shot. Right?

Because he can't be a goalie who then becomes a skater. No, he's a player. I think he flies, dude. I think he flies. He skates like the wind. Skates like the fucking wind. Yeah, he scores, but he scores.

He's almost like McDavid, dude. He scores because he just has people on their heels all the time. Oh, dude, I actually, dude, I think I maybe love. this, Dan. Okay. To keep, I think post whatever happens to injure him, he comes back as a defenseman because

he doesn't think he has the motor anymore. Yeah. But he's, because of his skating ability, he's like a Bobby Orr-style defenseman. Yeah. That is changing the game the way Bobby did, the way K.O. and Quinn are doing. Yep. Because he can move like that, which no one could move like that on the blue line before. Love.

Luke, Hugh, Luke Barnes, Canadian, is he playing in the, here's a genuine question for you. I don't want to backtrack us, but can we not do Barnes because Birdie Barnes in Mystery Alaska? We can't have another hockey player with the same last name. This is, isn't he Burns? Barnes, we're okay. It is Bertie Burns. Good job. Luke Barnes, we're okay.

Is he playing juniors? I think he has to be playing junior hockey. Like, he's nasty in the job. Yeah, this thing needs to happen before like a draft can happen. Yeah, I think he's in the dub. And this movie takes. place in the in the 80s. Yep.

So like this wouldn't have been crazy news everywhere that everyone knows about it. So Luke Barnes is a junior's phenom. Disgusting. He's playing for a medicine hat. Yep. And he's fucking buzzing. He's, uh, like summer or something. He's in a camp or whatever training meets a, meets a tempterist.

And she, wait, we're, it's another female act of violence? I guess she doesn't have to get shot. Yeah, well, they'd be too, the natural. We're going to follow a model here, but we're not going to just like... What would happen to a Western Canadian kid that would derail his whole career? That significantly. He doesn't come back to least. He's like 35. Yeah.

I think he has to get shot, dude. Maybe he might he maybe stabbed. I feel like he would get stabbed in Canada. Yeah, definitely. Pitchfork. Pitchfork. Someone on the farm. There's a dispute on the farm.

It's a shovel. The dispute on the farm, he gets pitchforked. Right through the gut. Damn. Or does it blow his knee out? Knees to come back from. I think he gets, I think he gets pitched fork, dude.

No, I think he's got to get cut. Okay, he gets cut. He wants this to be real. He gets stabbed. And he gets stabbed in a dispute at a bar. Or. Because he's 16. Yeah, you're right.

And he's a phenom. So, like, some of the older boys are bringing his. No, no, no. Hobbs was. This is cocky. I don't think he was cocky. He was certain of himself. He didn't say that.

He knew. He knew he was the goat. Dude, he was telling people to watch their mouth, Mr. Like he was a gentleman. Yeah, yeah, he's a gentleman. Luke Barnes is a gentleman too. Yeah. I think Luke Barnes was standing up for his lady.

His lady or a lady. Yep. Standing up for someone and he gets knifed in a bar. Stabbed. And because we never really get this story from Hollis, but like something goes bad, dude. Like there's an infection. He misses a couple years.

Yeah, yeah. Misses his draft year because he's still recovering from this injury. Then he's like, oh, I'm kicking around. Well, he had to go back and work on the farm for his dad because they... All the hospital bills. Thinks he's given up hockey. Yeah. He does.

He gives up hockey because all the hospital bills, his dad's going to lose the house, he needs to go help him. Dad passes away. He takes over the farm. But now he's got the finances under control. Yep. And he goes, maybe I'll give hockey to the shot. I'm 32. And they go, dude, people don't start playing your age.

they fucking retire, pal. Yeah, he's, to stay strong on the farm, he's fucking ripping shots. Yeah. Now all of a sudden he's a sniper. He's an absolute sniper. With a hammer slap shot from the blue line. Great, great slap shot from the blue line. And he's tough.

Where does he go? He's tough because he's been working on the land. He's strong as an ox. Where do you go at 32 asking for a friend to try to make the show again? We've got a team in Canada. that's about to have to relocate because they're going to miss the playoffs for what league though the NHL oh oh he's he tries out he gets a PTO yeah team in Canada is about to miss the playoffs for the 10th straight year they're going to relocate to the states yes dude it's going to absolutely

devastate yeah winnipeg's gone the way out yeah going to atlanta it's a ricochet shot yeah it's going to devastate this this area the town the fans and they're they're struggling they're looking for anything. And he shows up in the summer for a PTO. And they go, what are you doing, pal? You're 32 years. No idea who you are. And he comes in on that blue line. Their hot shot young, you know, high draft pick comes down and practice on a one-on-one and gets fucking buried. Yep. Still, they still cut him at the start of camp. No, no, no. He just gets sent down. Yeah, that's what I mean. Well, he signs. He signs. Yeah, sorry, signs. Yeah, yeah, signs. But they go, you're sent down, dude. And also they go, they go, dude, we don't

need another enforcer and he's like dude I can do more than that give me some pee pee pee time yeah so they get him on the PT dude he's fucking pass but one one blue line guy gets hurt remember bump Bailey runs bump Bailey dies bump Bailey literally runs through a wall so one gets her someone tears her ACL and they go and they go call him up but they go he was a puck mover yeah we we don't need another fucking enforcer and Luke goes dude give me a shot let me run the pee he's fucking throwing the biscuit around like nothing anyone has ever seen and when it looks like oh yeah, he's got some vision, but can he shoot the puck?

All of a sudden, someone feathers one through the slot, gets him at the point, one T-clapper, misses the net. And they go, ah, fuck. But then someone takes a closer look. It's an MVP moment, most valuable primate moments. It looks like he's ripped the twine. That's his knock-to-cover off the ball moment.

So his game-winning goal, or power play goal, goes in through the net. Yeah. And they go, he missed the net, and they go, oh, shit. Maybe puck's broken, too. No way, save that. Save that. See, those moments in the natural didn't look ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, puck broken.

We don't want this to look ridiculous. Okay. This is a serious drama, dude. So then he skates, then it turns out he can break the puck out too because he skates like the win. Yeah. What is his, he goes into a slump because he meets a girl and he's distracted, you know, and whatever.

Or no, the girl brings him out of the slump. He goes into a slump because he meets the other chick. Yeah. All of a sudden he is like, I think he gets a, uh, he's going to win the Norris. He's going to win the Norris, but something happens to derail him. What's his vice? that, like, fucks him up. Video games?

He's like, the boys are ripping vids. This is sick. No, that could be natural-esque. Finds a girl, dude. Goes into a slump. But he meets a girl, not a Canadian girl. Yeah, America. He meets a girl on the road, dude.

American. They get on the road. They go to L.A. And some fucking ho. From America. Some hoe comes in and just distracts it. Yeah. And he's like, geez.

throws everything in jeopardy. So then Canadian girl comes back. Dude, the girl he defended at the bar. The bar comes back. The girl. defended at the bar and got stabbed for, comes back and goes, I never forgot what you did for me? That's his clock tower moment. What's

this clock tower moment? Because it can't be breaking a puck, you're right. But like something has to happen where you're like, oh my gosh. The best player in the league, the Connor McDavid in the league puts them through the glass. He puts him through the glass with a hip check. Yeah. Throws it, throws it into, they go, no one can keep up with this guy. Yeah, he takes everybody wide. He takes everybody wide.

He takes everybody wide. He's crazy. And he crosses over. He looks unbelievable. He finds those legs again, and he fucking hip checks this. Through the glass. Team wins. He gets out of his slump. They are buzzing. They are about to make playoffs. But they're one game left in the regular season. If they don't make playoffs, the Jets are going to Atlanta.

Yeah. Last game in the regs season, they need a win. They need a huge win. Roy Hobbs bus open the light tower, dude. How did they win the game? That's something that Luke Barnes does. Yeah. That busts open the fucking light tower.

Yeah. What's the light tower moment? I think it's like, no, that's too really underlies. I think it's like, Um, it could be like water bottle related, you know, something could happen to the lights. The lights could go out. Tommy Olson scored a penalty shot goal with the lights out one time. Yeah, that was crazy.

That was nasty. Um, maybe he like blocks a shot in a crazy way. Ooh, ooh, I do like, because his brat breaks first. I do think he should block a shot. Yeah. And something should happen. Like he blocks a shot in his side and, you know, he's like, oh, dude, he definitely lays down, blocks a shot.

a shot. And they're like, bro, your spleen is hanging out. We stitch that spleen together. You're barely putting that back together, pal. He blocks a shot. And it looks like it catches him in the stomach. And everyone's like, oh, like, what's the worst that could happen, dude? He lifts up his shirt.

He's got internal bleeding because of the lacerations that happened to his spleen, all that. And he's just like, he's red. And they're like, what the fuck, dude? And then he needs to score a goal to win the game. I think it's a, I think he gets hauled down on a breakway, dude. Penalty shot. He intercepts a pass in the D zone, gets sprung.

Yeah, Charlie Connolly. Gets hauled down on a breakway, falls on his side again. He can like barely move to it. Yeah, yeah. They hooked him because they hook him. They hook them right there. Now he's like ripped up and he's bleeding. Someone goes, Luke, we got to take, we got to get that looked out.

You can't. Can't shoot. And he goes, I can still play. Yep. Takes a slap shot from the center ice. He can't skate, but he can shoot. He goes out there. and I don't want him to rely on the shot.

I want him to find the feet one last one last one. Yeah, yeah. Finds his speed. He makes, I think he makes like a nasty deke move. A fake slap shot. Yeah, he fakes the slap shot. Nasty deke.

But then he... Water bottle. Yeah. Gets him, goes one way, back the other. Backhand top cheese water. Water bottle explodes. Cap comes off the water bottle. Water goes everywhere.

They win. Jets stay. Jet stay. He goes to hospital. Unbelievable. He plays with his kid. He teaches his kid hockey. The natural.

The Luke Barnes story. That's tremendous, dude. Baker, would you go see that? Yeah. Are we going to call it the natural, though? Good question. I think we call it the natural, too. The natural.

Yeah, and probably. Make Anna DeArmus the love's interest and I'm in. Yeah. Easy, dude. Which one? There are plenty. Hold on.

There are plenty. of Anna de Armas types in Western Canada. I assure you. No, she's the hoe. She's the hoe that distracts. No. Yeah. Anna's too lovely.

She's not talking about a girl like that. I agree. Fuck you. She ain't no. You don't think she's a distraction? You don't think she's certainly a distraction, but not in a bad kind. She's a good kind of. God, dude.

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If you haven't played this game before, it's where CP and I pick two players. Their names are going to connect with a nice sound. what was a good one we had recently one dand did was brandon car logan cature brandon car logan kutcheon brandon carlogan cuchure brandon carlogan catured brandon car logan catured do it like that we're going to give a little description of each player see if cp can guess it i got the connection here we go are you ready sir i am see if you can beat me at home here's your player a top five selection in the n hl draft with his first team he played well but didn't blow people's minds. It wasn't until he was traded that he emerged as a top 20 player in the league

becoming an elite goal score as well as consistently getting Selke votes. When he then went undrafted and immediately blew people away with his elite skill and playmaking, earning one of the best nicknames in the NHL, playing with two certified Hall of Famers before a shocking trade, and then just two years later, signing a blockbuster deal with an original 16. Okay, so there wasn't a very good break there. Yes, there absolutely was. It was. And then the first guy is a top five pick who didn't do that well in his first team. Didn't blow people's minds. And has now become a top 20 player and getting Selky votes.

And elite goal score. Oh, and he's an elite goal score. Then we have a guy who was undrafted, has a great nickname. And was immediately phenomenal. Undrafted, immediately phenomenal, great nickname, and played with two Hall of Famers, but then was shockingly traded. And then just two years later signed a blockbuster deal

with an original 16. Okay. Okay, so undrafted dude who is nasty right-of-way's... Well, well, that first guy's top-five pick. I know, I'm just trying to think, like I'm trying to get one of them. Undrafted dude who's nasty right away,

unbelievable nickname, and then played with two, on a line with two Hall of Famers? Oh, it doesn't matter, yeah. Sometimes he did, yes. Certainly played with one of those guys guys and had a great vibe. Yep. Vibe. Yep.

And then was part of a block, a shocking trade. And then is now, and then signed a big deal. Right? Yep. Okay. First guy, top five pick, now elite goal score and Selke votes. Oh, but trade it, right? Top five pick traded.

elite goal score, Selke votes. Top five pick, but now elite goal score and Selke votes. Okay, elite goal score and Selke votes now, I'm kind of thinking who have been traded. Maybe was Markstone traded? When was Markstone drafted? Never won the Selke, obviously. Yep.

Elite, elite goal score, Selke votes is interesting. Can I have a hint on time, on eras for these guys? You don't have to say what years exactly. The first guy is in his prime right now. Right now, okay. The second guy is still quite good, but definitely not his prime. Second guy's still quite good. Second guy undrafted stud, played with two lawfamers, huge trade, signed a big ticket.

Don't forget the nickname part on the second guy. one of the best nicknames in the NHL. Yeah, that one, I'm pissed that I'm not, like, I'm not getting that right away. Can give more nicknames. That's the second guy, right? More clues. First guy's in his prime. First guy's in his prime.

On a new team. Doing great. It's fantastic. Is the team he was traded on, traded from, and his current team in the same conference? Yes. Yes. Okay. Oh, yeah.

Oh, big time. And he's in his prime right now. So he wasn't drafted that long ago. Top five pick, elite goal score, Selky votes. Also just signed a great new deal with said team. With new team. With new team. What position does he play?

Wing. He's a wing. Wing, Selky votes. Oh, yeah. Jesus, dude. Oh, yeah. You're fucking drowning right now. I literally couldn't even.

Yeah, so let me give you some more clues. Who? The first guy, the team who was. traded from and two are both in the same division. Okay. And then what's the second clue is the undrafted guy? Undrafted guy immediately was nasty, played with two certified Hall of Flamers, both of which who are still in the NHL. One more recently has become into the NHL. That should help you. One of the Hall of Famers.

Undrafted signed a big ticket with an original six team where he is currently at men consider the best player on. said team. I forgot the original six team. Has a great nickname. Okay, big ticket on the original six teams. Let me think about that. People are screaming at you listening to this right now. I know. I got the Rangers. There's no one with a big ticket on that team. It's patently false. Nope. No one has a lot of money on that team except for breadman. Oh, fuck. Okay. You know what's funny? I thought I had the first guy early. And then I was like, there's no name that goes with that at all. But there sure is. But I now see why it does. Because it does perfectly. It does perfectly. Yeah. Okay. So I originally

on the first guy was on Sam Reinhert. And I was really hitting the H in it that I saw. So I went off of him because I was like, well, it's not him. Yeah. But now I realize that it is Sam Rine Art Terry Panarin. So you said that's so crazy But like it's I was trying to hit the A. Sam Ryan Artemmy Paneran. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sam Ryan Artemey Panarin, folks.

Great, great one. Really, really good. Hey, you got there eventually and I'm proud of you. I forgot that he was undrafted. Yeah. That's why I was like, I'm not even close to that one. It's insane. Who the fuck?

That is sick. Yeah. It's good shit. Very good, Dan. Great job, C.P. Baker. Great job, everybody. Unbelievable episode.

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