Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - A. Setyo Wibowo: Plato, Negara Hancur dari Dalam, dan Otak yang Busuk Perlahan

Episode Date: October 8, 2026

Ada masa ketika anak-anak adalah tanah yang masih basah, dan setiap tangan yang menyentuhnya meninggalkan bekas yang lama sekali memudar.Dari sebuah kampung di Ambarawa, Romo Augustinus Setyo Wibowo, dosen Sekolah Tinggi Filsafat Driyarkara, menempuh jalan panjang lewat buku, seminari, hingga ruang kuliah di Roma dan Paris. Di sepanjang jalan itu, ia berkawan dengan para pemikir Yunani Klasik, dan dalam percakapan ini ia mengajak kita menyusuri jejak mereka.Kita kembali ke Athena, kota yang pandai berdebat dan pelan-pelan lupa untuk apa berdebat. Kita bertemu Sokrates yang memantik, bukan menggurui, lalu Platon yang percaya bahwa bangsa dibentuk sejak masa bermain. Kita mengikuti Aristoteles yang tinggal dua puluh tahun di Akademia, dan mendengar tafsir Romo tentang mengapa ia tak pernah memegang tongkat estafet itu.Dari Athena, percakapan bergerak ke hari ini: dialektika Hegel yang dipakai membaca perjalanan Indonesia, gua digital tempat kita duduk menatap bayang-bayang, dunia pascakebenaran, dan kecerdasan buatan yang membuat otak lebih nyaman tetapi belum tentu lebih hidup. Kita juga bicara tentang bakat yang perlu dirawat, tentang cinta tanah air sebagai modal, dan tentang penderitaan yang tak selalu bisa dihindari.Di ujung percakapan, ada harapan yang tidak bising, hanya tenang.Selamat menyimak.#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #SetyoWibowoLangsung ke bagian:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:00 - Guru-guru yang berjasa bagi Romo Setyo0:05:18 - Hobi membaca sejak kecil0:11:27 - Kuliah teologi di Roma dan Paris0:16:38 - Pengaruh Sokrates terhadap Platon0:18:21 - Filsafat politik di “The Republic”0:20:08 - Paideia: Filsafat pendidikan0:36:31 - Zeitgeist tumbuh kembang filsafat Yunani klasik0:42:49 - Bagaimana Platon mendidik Aristoteles0:56:14 - Alegori Gua Platon dan pascakebenaran1:08:27 - AI dan pembusukan otak (brain rot)1:31:17 - Penderitaan & Stoisisme------------------Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:https://books.endgame.idSudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:Goodreads------------------Episode lain yang mungkin Anda sukai:Tanah Jawa 300 Tahun yang Lalu - Peter CareyPendidikan Adalah Lentera Kita di Kala GelapYuval Noah Harari & Mark Solms: Dawn of Future Consciousness

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but if you're not to not be it, to not be the legacy Socrates this he's per-filsavat, he's been a book in the republic, he's, he's critiquation,

he's trying to something athena even though by Athena, I'm still did not get ridgarten so, then afterna, actually,

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name's, Pahadi, should al-marsh, guru-sejara. This is a guru that's like radio too, so, so, so,

so, he's going to, he's, he'd come, book, and come up book, go, but I'm going,

but I'm, he's, he's not-d- -d-le-murit-en, or not, that, yeah, yeah,

I, there, there, there, so, so, so, I'm-s-s-s-a-

, pa, I'm just one, one's one'satut, because I'm not pedulies. And, and, Pat, Gourin, too, and what's important, he's gawmonged, like. And if you're just, you know, the value's most, like, and he's alsoer because, one of the other than murid who, who, who, who's doneer in, and I'm chatat, that, about the story of Europe, about revolutionist, about, so. So, I don't know, from the kid, from here,

from the little, from there's unique, and I'm notherst by the character each-masting, yeah. Badan I was in past,

so, so, not can't be calhally, so, just, yeah, school just.

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or the topic, the, topic, the, he's, he only, he only,

he's, he, I'm about about about the era of Europe about the world abat partangahans revolution of France and then

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but I'm but I'm there one there one too guru BASA English Ibutin

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so, I'm getting-trick that, who, who, retic-grim-pormin-in-a- but I'm-l-d-l-d-l-d-l-l-cuh, and, I'm, the, and, you,

the, the, the, school. But I'm not I'm about he's about about he's about about about Bucco. Right. I'm a person

guru-Sdhdi. Yeah, I'm going to be a big. I think about because that's the school in a school in a

barrow, did not be it in Pase-an be that, and if you have to leave- and I'm not a carer,

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in the campon that langan can't compas. Wow. And until now, I think in the campong, I'm actually the one one of the gongan can't

yeah. So, the word of Rekh, that, you know, that's made me that's exposed with, oh, it's aque,

that's a bit, yeah, baca, yeah. And, and I'm, I'm, I'm going to be book, so I'd

even play out, even during the time to beck. So, man, so, maybe that's being the word about,

yeah, so not there's not there's a other than what, but I'm other, I'm not there too, and I'm sorry.

How much? Mubodayaka. Mubodayaka Baca, Baca. Suppalal more massive. Mugat,

people are people people now, more than people more than Baca. So, one that I'mati, I've discussed with some of the other than a geyska now, so much more.

So, there's some of a russ-balik, where, yeah, maybe not all, but there's a big of a small of the Genci who who's now to go book, yeah, I've got a book. I have a friend, Henry Manam Piring, who, has been book philosophy terrace, that's,

that's, that's it, that means, 500,000 more book, two. book, about about about yeah, so much than young people are you when people are you

about when they're doing to beca. I'm, I'm just around who, the French, yeah, that,

the, people, it's, people, even, I'm back, I'm going to last, I'm

to say, in subway, in metro, that, the, people, people, they're,

the, why, why in the pranches, because of the book. Yeah, because of the school, yeah, gurus, always have perean pyran of book, then, then,

then, you know, and then are good, the price, the price, there's always, the book, there's always in the pocket that

murrhy, and, yeah, what else, yeah, if, if you're, maybe, the,

yeah, I'm being, it's like, order of, that. It's uprolet. And they're always supplied. And they're going to be able to get to.

Yeah. Mingue in, Baca, five books. Yeah. Nutsi upon the audience. Maybe the result is, because again, we're going to beckett,

so, that's, if they're going to beck. Yeah. Backet an, if they're going to beck. Oh, yeah, in seminary, we've got,

we've been, we're in seminary, we're doing. We're, we're justerererer, we've got, yeah, Baca,

Siti, Nourbaya, and that'suhaas, that's a base, that's a base, uh, the basis of course, we're at the level, 1, 123, like to,

put upurpation of each, which is the people, so, there's, there's a good,

yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's, there's, kind of, the, uh,

the school, yeah, then, if, if, if, will, yeah,

can, will be, yeah, maybe, can, I've been I've been to India. in India,

the India, the money is very much. And they're not peduli with patent, copyright, and, and, and,

that support from the government? From the government. Okay. The city, if there's a book that's called

by the people from the world, it's, they're publicacation ulang, and they deal as in international. Yeah,

imbred kata, if it's not, it's about, the $30, $30, $40 in India, I think that's I remember that's about the book that I'm not in the same thing.

It's also, you know, also, the world of, on the technology capal, technology pesawatt-terbang,

like, the whole things that amoeuvic curiosity a person a child, like, history, technology,

alam, so, so, so, just, just it's being, and then,

and then, and, and, so much, , We've got to beauntleting a lot of course of massive. And India, too,

they, if you're, with a cartas that quality-ne, because because they can't be able to sell with a raga and abat also. That's the keybjacking. From the busat, tentoing,

also, be together with the people to make-advocation or, yeah, to hibou-lake to bach. And it's, it's,

and people, people, India, and and I'm going to talk about it. Yeah, it's like, because because of being able to beckonation. If we're back a book, can we go, we're like to

penulis'n. What he's thinking, what he's called, what he tells us, and all the way. I'm going to beca Christi. Siap. Novel novel, novel, yeah, detective, like,

but although, it's hard, yeah, novel, sulid, yeah, but, but, but, but, but, from, from, from,

from, the SDI, SMI, level it's that's that's bad, that's bad, that's right, that's umri-pooro, yeah, detective that. If you, if you're going to, take S-1, to, then, then, then, then, that's, it's, it's, to be able to Parisis, then to Italy, then to France,

then, then, matter of it, that's how much, that, that's how much, so. So, that's, right, right? So, it's been, it's done by the atasan I, to Roma, I'm from a S-1 theology. I'maith, in the best of course of Bazao, yeah. Now, I've been courses in Baza-Pranches in Jakarta, so that's getting to Italy,

it's just a biterlegged, yeah. Lullough, I'm going to learn theology bays. I'm also many of the math, about human rights, about theology of peaceation, yeah. The only-in-il-it-lac-allocan. And then I'm actually,

I'm sure that's about to Oxford, yeah. I was in the citadena to think of most to Oxford, I'm going to work at Oxford, in Cambridge, then the UTIS, yeah,

and the lilynees and the wayn't even. And then came up and upon I'm unciled from my attention. Sotomayor, so you're to be Paris just. How many?

I've got to, I've got to, I'm going to be able to I'm to Paris, I'm at it's just, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're just ta'at, yeah, but in rom-oromboe, but, but when I'm

back, I'm afraid, too. Okay. Alice, oh, this can sorbon, yeah? Mampo, yeah. I'm not, I'm not-brani, so I, actually, I'm going to institute Catholic de Paris, uh,

the parderan, so, and, so, so, so, document, I'm not, I'm going to give you to say, you know, you'll be able to study, you know, if you're not, you're going to be able to beaiccass, I'm saying, that's based in Jakarta, I'm in Italy,

the way of Italy, I'm just test Bashae-Bass-Bas-Pranchis. I'm taking course, intensive, yeah. Al-hmmdul-Dil-Lulose. So, I'm just a person for sure, ma'am, ma'am. Only a month to move to Italy to Parisis, one of course, and then, once, yes,

yes, S-1, the one person, name's Lysons. Lysons, then, Mertes. D'A. D'A. D'A. S.2, it, only, two, yeah,

Lysons, and Maitris. I'm using Lysons at the Institute of Couturid de Paris. The, of the program, joint program, with Universities Rene Descartes, from Pueit. I'm able it,

so much like double-aigrisis, because in France, the system is the schwarzisannes, they're not, not, not, not-bisagellas-it-as-a-ta-sa-a-a-so-a-paw-paw-can. Now, with a join-jorn program, I have had aijas-ne-a-kard, in Poitie. With that, then, then, there was open,

I was going to sorbon. So, I'm going to go to Sorbonne, and then, I'm going to. What? What? What? So I wasaulogy, Yeah, which is the French's, yeah.

But then I'm also, how bad, and I'm like, stress, yeah? I can, I know, but stress, can not-enac-you-can-hack, I can't work-d-stress, I'ma-low-brat,

tangyh, but don't stress, now, so, because when I was sorbon, I'm being UNA. Okay. I'm going to shift

That's just as well, mechat just, Abil Yunani, Amble Master Yunani, Matrisen, there. There's bisoniccan, to pivot to Yunani? Mugin, yeah,

so, sometimes, there's Romo, we're talking, we'll talk, where, like, that's, maybe, maybe, from,

from the people, there's, why, you, ample call you , take, the most the most,

the most, the most, the same, the, the, There's like that's about the same. Yeah, in the way of course I'm not brandy ambil the same as far as I'm.

So, then I putuskutnik, and I'masuke, but I'm going to. Then you're focused to Plataun. Focussing to Plataun. Fordusts. Plathom, yeah, biardtine. That's why, platoon, can, dasar, Philisapat, can Plato. So even if we've been

If we've been about philosoph Era current like Jacques-Rong-Sier that's much I've read, want to, it's probably merdued it to Plato. Entah to make uplautie Plata, or not to be able to be Platon.

Anyway, all philosoph have to beaute Plato. And, and I'm going to make up to Platon that, I'm also to make sure to make suref, philosoph modern, from their

their own, oh, he's the nature of Plato's like this. He's like this. So, yeah, so in the history of my story. Telling the effect of Socrates. Yeah, there's Plato. Socrates is a

of a philosopher first, for the world in the United, in the Arab just unique he didn't not even what He's, he's a wargaara He's athena

He's quite, he's got to beauteuble with He's like he's got to beapeuticcée, but he's justlauging, berdialectica, in the art of Mayetique Because he can Beardiscusi, like Bidan that's helping malhering penitouan So he, he's not,

not even makeajerkargan Pekawan, but it's only provocation people until to haemalemate, that's about it out of the world with it. With question. Socrates,

it's just, ask you. Yeah. And I think about, you know, can't put up. And I think, Plato,

you know, or people, people, people, is, kind of banksawan. He, class bankhawan

in, where in, in, Latina. And normally, the, the, normalness, yeah,

most of class politic, like, Now, socrates, I think that's the whole, I think that's allotation of Plato, yeah, then he'll be reminded of philosophy, and, too, to bealt around, like, that's about stuartes. People that's the same, they're not, like, that's, they're not, by democracy, in Athena,

yeah, and that's the last I think Plato, memotuskane, memotusk his life for philosophic. He'll belewerepulik. Bucco, many, yeah, 40s, yeah. That's about politics. What's plus minuses it,

the republic? The Republic, that's, politics that's comprehensive. He's about about pedignazeges political. He talks about regime, regime politic.

Plus-minus'ness, so, because the book this is controversial, yeah. Because there's a lot of regime philosoph-raja, the people of bishops who are people who are

to beaqsana for a person that's a good. Kalpoper, for example, open societies and its enemies, it's the time of Pover, that Platon is initiator totalitarianism. Because system Philoferraja

is totalitarian, like, that. Romo Magis also, many people, many people, many people, but if I'm going to beaacabuuu. But if I'm not, I'm not in there. I'm more than, I'm not in there.

I'm more than, that Plato, is philosoph. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. Yeah.

idea about the big a bigotic, idea of the idea that's like, like, like, tawharan horizon just. Yeah, if you want to be able, okay, you're going to be a direct to get the horizon, but if you're not per se, yeah, not can't be what about also, idea that. So, so, um, so, um, so, yeah, so, yeah, so, yeah, so, I'm not necessarily platin as a initiator totalitarianism. I, uh, I'm more than let Platon as philosoph, um, and, um, um, and, um,

What's interesting, there's controversy, there's also, it's the power of the about philosophy, and the education. So, this is that always I've said and I'm going to say, so I'm saying, which is, Ida, yeah, so the pediguan is,

the pediguan, is, or paidia, or paidia, permian, so. So, paidi, pedagogy, that is process toa- деревan, so that's just to bea-negary that we're here, wow.

Now, I've said, I've been lured up, back, Pam, Paidiya, so. So, the pedicine, the part of Plato, is when children is still. Fundidication hasrat, yeah. So, how much has-hat an act to doorientation to something that good.

Can, kids, you can, you know, in a world, member-terberian, yeah, the world, massaract, like, if, with gadget,

H-hap, that situation, that's what's about him puttchap. If he's in the environment of coped, yeah, hasratennaut like chopet. If he's in the linguonginguangang, that's like, like, to be it. He's like, yeah, he can dendrooing to do, like, that.

Maka, how much make make hashrat this to be a way to beaerhs. So, by the level, or K-S-PAT, that's-PATO, that's the PADCANNEDA, Napu-Napu-Macomac-A, or,

if in the barrared, the hearterat can't and catacotan can't casketan. If you're in Baja Freud, so this is theolah. Rasa niquat and the fear of pain

this, this is the way that's a lot of agaarion. L'u-Lat-Lan-Las-Kal-Pak-Kataka-K because, he said, Pek-Musike-K. Musique, that is artes, yeah, Pooysi, there's a drama, there's music, there's music, there's

theater, doongeng, that's what you're going to be given, that's that it's about, that's notherat this, the feeling and the the fear of irrational, to be it's a lot, to the kind of. So, so that's the middle, so that's not that's too crass, yeah, dar-der-dur, but but but yeah, but yeah, but yeah, but too, uh, uh, per-huh, uh, per-huh, then they're not, not.

Uh, and not, don't be celsius, don't be able to, yeah, story, yeah, yeah,

uh, uh, particularly, with, with, uh, platon, very critical,

yeah, uh, that's, yeah, that's, the, dewa, dewa,

dewa, who are that's good to be a war, just about what's the other than if they have image that illahy that's like that. Yeah. Telling about pahawan, hero, about dewa-dewe that's good,

poise, drama, also as to beesuagued with the usia of the because, the cat, Plata, the child, is like, if he's,

still, the landlap, still, it's just as badusage, it's just to build up it, with the landa a lot of us to

beaerhacken to be it. We have got to goblow a little about this. Yeah. I want to try to in in context Indonesia, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Which, 90% of the capital of town that's not be a

big. And I always say, and it's so little to we're to we're

for people who can't can't to knowla, the education of the good. So, we have a lot of the school, but I was going to say,

I'm going to say, quality of our our own ma'amph, it's still very big up to be taken, in a much perkechalian, but, but there's a lot of jute of guru and dosan, with gaij two-k.

It's, is hard, for the other for us to us to do you can't really, to help the character and this is what we can't with presumption

that's it, 90% of the of the capital of time it's not so it's so it's to be hard to to help with the

people who dollaan by abocations of Plato if you. Yeah, if you're cached from the same Right, right, we're in the same time in the same, we're still as well.

We're still, but I'm not sure, if I'm not sure, if I'm not sure, Gajie, that's not allowed, or I'm not. So, if it's just with inflation, the ability to put anorapot macan on the table with gage with gage whatever upro. It's more than the same way, yeah. It's just due to be sure that. So, I'm not sure that guru

I'm going to beware of mewaxe. Yeah, because one that was PDIP, that's a lot of the but the only way that's a bit more than you're sederhanate. They're focus to gajar, yeah, gajar, like that, not anehy, that's,

like, So, so good book, so that's So, but we're just that's just like, yeah, we're not even if we're so much to be amankan,

and then the government, and then you there's about there's there's something, if that we're

doing, yeah, plan, it should be so it's yeah, yeah, also,

like, who's in the concern to the penediction, so that's right, so that's not going to be able to, I'm not going to be sure that's a certain, reformation, agamah is like to bejuremberate, I know, I'm curiously-asasies, that massifely, agamization in schoola-schoola-in-in-unctonging, like it's like, not, for the good for bigottency,

autonomy, because all you, all the issue, then you, have been able to be able to not, yeah, we've got, can't get we've got, not there isuagam, people, people,

people, be able to beck, people, yeah. Yeah, this is being topic perdebatan, but I'm going to data data that simple,

but it's just imperis. For the other of the number 15th. That's what the number 15th. Okay. The way is. Okay. The other way upcourn't.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, it's not. And number 69 from 81st of 81st of one of the water, and if we're down, and if we're looking at perinkat

from 5,000-a-campus in Indonesia, yeah, yeah, there's one that's under the world. Yeah, because of the time. Yeah, because of the other than I'm going,

yeah, campus we're so, but but why? But why isle like this? I think it. I'm hypertetical to, not speculatist

this way. This is. This is. This is. Because multiplication that can be buhack can by guru is

more more than multiplication that can beuacan by the people to beaq. The people are people or three people,

that's a better than it's has to be per back to be able to be partangualked if he wants to begaj $30,000 per-bun. But if you're gajun, well, I'd like to be able to do notarra. Yeah. At any, it's just a good one. In the Danantara, I got gaijee $40,000,

but if I'm back to Ambarawa to, I'maja as a grader as a student, maybe gajiny's just $2. Yeah, while I have passion, I have passion to be a good but I have put in mind the time with 2.8. But with 40 million,

I'm trying to make sure I'm not too passionate but I'm not too passionate. I'm sorry, that's nothered. That's very structural, I'm not, I'm supposed, not, Pa, we're? Mampu, so.

So, this, maybe there's unsur a slavarker. Yeah, can, angleran $900 trillion. Yeah. I, I, I, I've got to doork

to work experiment. If we got to $30 trillion per-bun per boulan, a $360 trillion, total of our $900 trillion. And I'm very sure we can be able to be taking on the wrong-jewap. If guru that's the quality of the quality is a realtor that will be correlates

Peningot Pagery, in Codos, where the Poundaput, where in the place GURU ish, right. But it's true, because in Europe, can, in France, it, too, not Gajurang-Kal, yeah. But they're, they're not very much, like, that.

Oh, it's very much. They can't. They can't buy a book, they can't, travel, you know. So, gajingy-ne-a-a-to-stander, like, that, right? Dossens, I'm just,

also, doesn't, not much, Gatchu-Rank-Garang-Cy-Rank, not much, yeah, for the cost. But, but, you know, Profesiness is the and he's got support from the the people.

So, I have a teman, who, who's here in Jakarta, uh, penitil the he, he,

to know, they, uh, Sustre Sustre Ursulin in Indonesia. This is, Sustre Sustra that L, too,

how they're coming He, too, they're, too, that'sridae, the wife in Kewan, to make sure, to make sure,

the way of the United States, for penitian that's in catamata, what's the important, Ursulin in Indonesia, yeah, but for French, yeah. But, penitian, it's. So, I'm so much,

yeah, gajy that's right, yeah. Because in France, it's also, then, if you're the gaiapag, then with the gauce of the way of the other than the other. Yeah, I'm going to do with it. Now, I don't know how to,

kind of, you know, nabrake. If you're going to, you know, to find out of it, you know, the end of the magican. Yeah. Yeah, right. Uh, you know, this is a good thing publicing of publicing

to make recalibration, bejave. But if we have been up down, maybe we need to work but what we're trying to make up, how much to make up the same thing. Because, at the end of the way, it's

a lot, complain that, that the guru-anat-naut-ness as much better better, yeah, past the wakil people can't be able to beckxed

in the area or even And I'm I'm looking I'm looking at least in 3-5 years we can't beauching because if we're talking

about we're emasasan the size it's only can't be 20 years after each one after each person that's justicuptu not.

Not a biggian just so much of course it's just like that's but it's just only that's just time that we're mampu and

want to give guru ascukes to give you to put your can't put in the other than he's sure he's justra

he's very quality he's very mampo to make attribut attributes that attribute that's essential especially that's imagination

like Pahadi do you do you ambition and good news and I'm sure I'm saying sometimes I'm

do you know what I'm think about the SMPP that gurus like gawoods muter to my

and then and then and then and then I'm yeah I'm kind of

I thinkerner too too though um um um can go

P.R. Bordeu yeah so a some of a much of a umathe, there's a model social, there's a model economy number one, misgazic,

then the money, and then model buddhaia, how much the market, and model symbolic. So it's, that's in France, that in the country maju, it's also

there's problem on the peddican for an anna of banglia, the end of the country that's always rendah, so, Bordeaux is the

the Pranches, L'Ona, Ecole, Prioriters, so on a school, priority, so that's a young of Bangaliyu that,

the people, Maruko, Arab, Al Jazeera, they're from the education of the program national, yeah,

begi-up. In the pinkir-kota, did work, facilities, good, guru, with the time after the day dididic, and then it's the 50-50 just.

Not be able to as well as. Because, because when they're lullos from the school and the middle, can't have been in campus, yeah. Beda again, can, the story if at the campus, yeah, so, get-mue people from different,

so, so, survive-a-and-da, that's, it's not, still has been termed and then and then you're from school because of school that and you can survive in campus and then

you're looking ah you immigrant and you're immigrants they're from French from the country from the country from or from

or from from the alamat also you're from that you're from so you so that so when they have to

blending to that'ser that that that's the result of 50 50 that that's

in the prasus, that habitus'n't good, yeah, acclimsia, now, because if I'm buying a day in Indonesia, to give gage to guru, that's one component just. Now, there are things that are

things that can't make sure, or to be rampant, process perubhanes that the thing that's not, but it's not a lot of it. I agree,

that's true, that, that's true, yeah. Because if we're going to be the other, but in, it's,

it's, it's, it's true. What's the thing? Yeah. With two. Yeah. Gagy honorer,

the kendari, to, 400,000. Yeah, if I'm being, how much it's been about it. With 400,000. Cueh. I mean,

in, where did yayasan Canisius, which in Semarang, not the Canisius, Jakarta, yeah. In desa, yeah, can yasan,

we had also had also put in guru honorer, yeah. Uh, the gajus is that $250,000, yeah.

It's 70-a? Yeah, no, not even 10-0. Oh, 90-1. Okay. Gagi Sarjana, it was $350,000. Yeah. Now, this honorer,

it's got 100, not too much, but, but, can, but it's juster much more, yeah, situation honor. Yeah, Daya-belie, it's more down.

This, we can see it, but, maybe, I'm going back to you know because Abate 6th Masei, Raja Cyrus

from Persia Yonia, and then Dium, stable, then, in 2009, 10 Masehi,

Darius, from Persia, nearang. And, but there's continued, the Pekyllis, Yunanis,

then, then, Ceres, the, and, And he's the right? Darius, 50 years.

Between Persia what's being what yeah? Kegylaan Persia to be sure to be sure and

can be hypotessate can peace and stability that's overhauled after 50 years in part of Pertikaian in 2014, before I see?

That's been correlations not socrates, people of the people people people Aristotle and everything. Yeah, so Persia is

imperial that the and I think normal, yeah, if a suburb that's ambitin is expansion that they're

not going to only, they're having police police Yunani, particularly in the bottom

Athena and Sparta so, so police is independent, but yeah, but when there's

there's there's there's there, Now, the menangang, the Marathon, that's the panes of Marathon, it's, of course, it's made, but,

but, too-utama, the menangue, at Ceresas, yeah, 480, yeah. Because, that, Ceres, then, after the Uttarst, and then, Sparta, in Thermo-Filea, then, and then, then, after, they finally,

I'm outena. Now, A lot of the people they're not able to be because, make them get rid all right. Atena did get

to the polo with their capal, they're living with the world, the world, they're going to be hathom

and catam. And kallah. And that makes prestige Athena making bigger And I think that Persia, after Serses, yeah, it's a day, maybe because

because they're two times, they're still empire, yeah, but then, the United, it's like, exis, and Athena,

prestige's more great, because he, if they, if they, yeah, now, Athena, this, maybe,

maritime, so, so, they have been a lot of, so, So that's got a packaac many so much Thenu-gown

To build gudonging gudonging That's still there Peningalance that It's because of Two-Kalang Menang to Persia that Lullo-N-Lawian

Socrates That's in era Whena, Atena Tenta, yeah, Yeah, Lourbiasa, hebet, like, then

Percas, 450-an, that's puncak democracy, Kaya, like, and in Athena,

because of democracy, monsolish, soaps, so much the intellectual, from the world, not people, they're from other, they're doing, they're doing

rethorica. Because when, when, uh, tradition of war, there's not there, there's not there again,

there's not again, and the other, the other, the people, the laba, democrasy. Enth, that's,

the DPR, namainna, yeah, or, either, the, the, the,

the, the, They're from a group, they need to form sovis. Now, maybe Socrates, is, gregatant, yeah, with, this, I'm going to say, like, yeah, like, yeah, in Sofism, like, it's like, it's been really, it's been able to operate, like, like, like, like, from the time we're,

post-truth, that, yeah, all, all back. Now, socrates, I'm still dialectical, where he's not be pretenses to beaure, he's not even though, he's not, he's not sure, I'm asking, I'm going to get riddenial-perangue, if you're coming, if you're going to ask us,

and then when I say, well, in the, in fact, come, What? I'm not know, why I'm going to ask you, because this is what I'm going to get into. This is a lot of people, jankal, yeah, because dialectica Socratic, this is diabetica that aporetic, Jalenbuntu. So, he also makes them bacheling, to make sure,

melancher, so that's the gendril, that has to beckoning, but we're having to beckxed, what? It's, what? It's, I mean, so, that's what? I'm just about I'm from

reshapotan, Lacas about the bradian and one other again about the other than dialogue now

that's like that until the element there's there's not there there so we

usually we can mean because because because because oh, I'm

more than this so I think there's because Socrates that's because

he's both bigsana then, to be religiouslysmat, he's got to beaitha, he's been curate republic, yeah,

he, he, he, and he, he, maywarking, yeah, yeah,

lewate conversation too, with the booker, though, in the book even, yeah,

didn't be heard from athena, so, then, then, then, then,

yeah, can't, Because ofophis, whenboat, it's overal like, like, Atena, too, arreid,

yeah, corruption, artia, can't be arreying. And, also, yeah, the money, too, yeah, and,

actually, when, Filippe, the, yeah, that's, that's, that's,

the, there's, there's, there's, there's, how, how, how,

how, Socrates, Plato, to be able to beaacus, the same of the result of the resulta. So how do you, so how does it? So, so that's, I think, 380-an, will be made edicton academia.

So, the situs is out of the out of the area, and now, now that's just like a cabin, basically. I've been trying it, so on the... So, this is before maséhy. So before...

Before he, yeah, but so... So, before masi. So... So... Aristotle's, I think I think I'm ayesar in academia. Wapto-it-coulde, there's also school her rhetorica, but I don't know why,

he'd be given it to academia, and 20-tawn, he'd beleger in academia, with the murid of Platon, who, and then, who later, who, the topos of medial-platonism, talk-d-de-No-Platonism, yeah.

Now, uh, precisely how what we've been We have we have the text, even text that's written Aristotle, he's got to be able to, that, that's,

that we're not because it's so. So, so, so so, so that's, the academia, it's, it's,

it's, can't beauchelous murid the brilliant. Why, he not can't think about Ploton?

Successi to the Pemmines in academia that, yeah, the alasan sederina, because Arisotelis is not a humani. I see.

He's a good. Yeah, there's a question of the land. Yeah, who's from from from from other,

not, not, maybe there's administrative, so, then, later, after I'm

this, this is making Pellasas, back people, people, come to come to people from

people from, From there, then, after that's putaton after he's still, then the penang of Platon itself. Then, when he's got it, he's going to come to Atlanta, and then did a school that's name, liqueu. But, again, the process what he has done to beacare, we don't have info. We've got to mingung a little bit of Kaliurang about how many about it.

For Alexandria. Yeah. Oh, from the pastime. The pressur. It's been debunkered by Julius Caesar. And then, general, general, after Julius Caesar, until the other one of the polymat

the known from Persia. Namannes Shappur, in the abat the 3, after Maséhy. Okay. Pouhan or a rations-a-buck-a-buck-pun. Because in Alexandria, the purupestakhanes had 700,

which, which, that's that's very good to beinquent to make sure reactivation in Persia which is a manifesto

in Baital Hickma in the abat the 8 until abat the 13 and that they're very very romantic

with with the polandes with Paula Piquin Ares before Masaei 4'000 secan

before Masae Now, how, how much? Alur wisdom, that's from the United, to some extent, to Mesir, to beaubo-tolemy, then to beersia. Now, that's how much?

Yeah. I'm sure, disclaimer, I didn't have info that's very specific about this. So, so, that I was that's after academia, after Elipos, yeah, yep, man

and then, school-a-scoling that, like, kind of, like, keelangangue reputations, yeah, because, not there's no longer independentsy police, yeah,

so it's under the power of Alexander Agung. Now, then, the state of the Uthena, pindah, then to, school-scula, but, like,

it's like, the hellan of relevancy, like that people, people who are people who are the same, to academia, to Lyceum, but what's the same, after that is the period Alexander Ragu, we

have had been period Romawi, that you know said that, Mepakar repart Alksandria, but just don't remember, there's general

other, general sula, if not that when he came to Atena, he's who, the book of course books of Arisoteras. It's.

Shula, S-Y-L-A. So he's that's the last monthuscripts Aristotle's that's that's not there, which, which, the, the, we have had not had, we have had chadetetan chadetotas. That's, because,

what's what, like, dictat, like, that's what, that's the same in Roma, then, later,

by Andronikos Rodes, so, version of the firstly now. now, then the bookbuckabstari that's brought to, where's the pastime, that I'm going to be able to be sure

that, that's true, that's the point my point I was, how much like Indonesia that can't show ushousan to learn, mongulking book, and then,

and, and, and, to be a stifatian. Aristotelian, But that's, if I'm for re-investigation, axiom, mary-investigation, the truth of the existence before.

Let's, let's see, what's the way. I don't know what? Cemburu with my friends, I'm from Japan, from Korea. When I studied disorban, yeah, and we're at, or seminar, or, or, seminar, not,

if, if, if, we're, we're, we're, I can, I've got to Blas, I'm about the Bratown, or BASA English, like it, with the same of the United. That's, who's, you know,

have you've, you've, you've, you've got, we've got to have termed Platon. From what?

From what? Oh, Korea, South, Japan, Japan, it's had put a terman full from

Platon's in 70-an. Yeah, we're, and, and, And some of the term of the book of classic, that's kind, can, it's like to beaicaccagan, can?

It's not, not even, not there's not that way. So, that's, that's, that's, because there's a hausan. There's unsur panasarant

that, and, to make uphebackan, and, that's from the job of the people, because,

they're from, like what, and ganges as a buncha, yeah, yeah, that we've got to have been like this, gina, yeah, like,

yeah, time in order about, yeah, like, yeah, that's emironser, that's

that, that, that's back, that, now, now, now, now,

we, we, we, I, say, I, I'm, I'm gonna

send out, I'm gonna three, but, but, that's gratisian, yeah, and there'shamein'n

canisius. But I'll imagine yeah, like philosophy, right, there's people, there's a lot of, there who can't

be able to work, if you can't make sure, yeah, have imagination about the banks that's about,

philosophy, there, there's demania aristoteles, termination, there's, there's, there's,

there's people, but, but, you can't, there'sumaka, but, you can, Because that, partikilir.

How much more than rumourgant of Romo several times, in context Frederick Hegel in the abat the 19 did bunkus in Indonesia in context the penitreation of him.

Dialectica, ma'am, yeah. So, I can't ask Philisabotilmood also, Dialectica, yeah, Hegel, that, he was, he was a much, and that's about it's about it's about it's about how much.

so much of the same, that's about how much the reality, that's really, same, and he can't have a concepti that's there, there's a thesis, past he'll comecelsk, and tithesis, then, thesis, and then, then, then, lulled, and, thesis, which, which, which, is,

thesis since then it will come out of the thesis and then there's been a get back so forth soapalas

yeah, there's the yeah there's aubbush so, so that process that certain

there's there's that there's there that's there's still there's there that there's

again, yeah, there's much there optimism yeah trueism yeah sometimes

people who people people be able to be able to how we can to how much more how much as far as far as in Indonesia

I'm sometimes, I'm going to underhandicemen, so I'm going to, call on total, colonialism, that's thesis, antithesis is a goodieckeran. From,

the pertemone thesis and thesis munculeleh, the name name is regime Orde Lama. Now, Orde Lama, this, is a thesis

new. Theirriness, I was the landlameh is economy awut-awutan, inflation, I'm a bit of my, my book my book my book, my father, not just as it's not enough. Yeah,

bread that's not just so that should be sampled with jagu. Lally, yeah, and if I heard of the father of my mother, that is all right, that's bulgur.

Bulgur, butlott, yeah, I'm going to hear of the people. Yeah, I'm not told that. So it'suron-and-cura-cura-it-a-cure, but politics-be-bass. Thesis-olde-laping, antithesis, which is Orde-Barrou.

So if it's not a good-Barrie, munculting a new-the-bara-it-a-lawful, that's a good thing, that would be a lot of it, namely order-bara. D'amanyed-bago, economic is, I'm a good, I'ma-beckonan-bagoos. I, I'm not.

I'm not how much of it's up. Economy is good, but politically repressive. Demo-demo-demo, not-bo-boh, many activists, did-crapubes, even, to talk-tok-tok-nashol, that, did-crapin, bigot-in. Now, the time-O-D-Degesion, this tessis-hantit-tis-in, which we've seen-tesis,

which we've got to bea-nambed, Namah reformation. Now, how much. Yeah, economy so-so, la, not as much as well as far ase-old. If you're, well, there's a lot of the same, but, but not rungam,

so, so, so, so, so, but, yeah, like this. Politic, d'billang, the reformation, there's a goodbebasin,

I'merer, I'merasen, I'merasical, but, yeah, And that's about like in Europe democracy, not even yeah. So, no, because of politics, soso, economy

soso, now, reformation as a bit of a synthesis, this is this, there's a thesis there's reformation. Antitesis's what? Because we're still in it, we don't know, yeah. So, Agil, that's

kacemate Hegel, is, can only be good if it's just a good thing, yeah, Then-bacetism. But if we're still emasemes, we're still speculative. So, it's just so antithesis that's true, like that's what we're saying, economy we're doing to be able to. 8%?

1%? Wow, it's great. Hebat so. Economic we're doing. And democracy our, we're going to be able to. Right, right, politics, that's the way of course. Yeah, like weaschap. Or, so-so-so-so-so-so-so-in-o-o-o-in-e-economy making

un-sept, the-bebasin-a-bac-cap-bebis also making. We're going to be able to know. But, but, you know, ma'am, yesquip, if, if you're not a d'unusin-sha-n-n-n-y-sep, it's a good, There'saithesis. So, in order Dehurt Hegel, it's rational. It's kind ofcathiaan,

be sure of it. So, not visual thinking, but it's true that's like that. I'm looking distribution cognizant. It's important

really, from Sabang to M.R. I've been to look at the distribution cognition, socucupness. And that's safety net,

garing the same-a-man that can't even even irisphorice that's right. Ironis, yeah. We're in the era MedSos,

in era internet, yeah. Ironis really. Now, this topic of the next to post-truth. But I've, I've, in

book I, in, I'm garis-bawhi how many the company technology that's that's the lastelot

that's cross that's using amplification for polarisashi not democratization idah so information ter democratization

but idea id not democratization model not democratization so idea so idea

the polaris model perolization impris we can see how efficient ketimpanking and kithing in the

country that's new becoming, mishkin, becoming mishk, and and englontoran by the technology,

not use to be able to name, for the important moderation content that's absolutely and

relative and relative and it's becoming be able to so much. So, they've got whasahed

the fact that's parisation, sensationalization that's not being the importance of making make sure that's for the oil and shampo but the idea

model not ter democratization so we're so we're to redistribusy cognizy but if if idea

that's true, and justru, disinformation, more disinformation, misinformation, it's termination, disinformation, it's more distributed,

so it's so much polarisization the parliusation and model. What, what we've said this

can't, this, I'm confirmation analysis I'm about era I've been in the Kanishasya Kanishasius, yeah, about critical thinking. How much, we need to be meditigant

now, this critical thinking, can be able to becite. Lowe, because I, yeah, the, I'm, I'm in this, I'm using, I, I'm using GUEGELAIN, I'm from there. Yeah, and he's been a lot of it, there's there, there's gothawar-hut-hub,

there's um-o-hut-hub, they're atlantae, their way, they're in-nachtap, there, and in-d-d-d-d-d-ing, there, and in-d-d-d-baw-a-baw-a-tank, there, like, tembock, and there,

buddak, that brought back-barrang, and in-gaw-d-a-u-un. Then, from the ap-ung-un, then, from the barang, then, and then, because, because bud-and-a-l-lars-is-is-it, He thinks, bayang, bayang, that's the right, now,

and then, he's been able to beaverse. He beabased, and then he just had, oh, it's from, barang, barang, they're brought buddak, so it's not reality. Reality is to this. Now, Lleuton said, if someone that wants to be russarerousa, nae, yeah, persusapayah,

out from go, then he will be able to be able to beware. He's like that he's not He can't look back backpayang down Bayang bayang boyang boyang Poyang bayang boyang pinatang Then after that he'll look at benda benda real The Indeanedan in the world

Now I'm going to be able to be able to digital How can't be able to be able to allegory this Now, I'm going to analysis first Because I can't make confirmation Bapa Dullo yeah So we're every day, can becawaping up a Phae what, it's all right, and it's all right, right,

and we're going to this video, we're not, not, we're not, but, yeah, the thing,

the person, polarization that, so there, there's video demo, there, video,

there, there, and then, Jokow, Wob, Mok, about, while,

this, can, AI, now, all, all of, yeah. So,

so, This is to see what's the creator of the way. Why why he's making video like that? And if we're more critical again, we're also to work with. We're not, we're trying to, there's already, there data, data, like. To then,

to knowy that, why video that's uprored that's that that's been analyzed. And, The last that's that's about allotism and algorithm

and algorithm that's there who are who are big tech they're they're who are

who are who they're like to be asal usul from the

world we have this and so so that that they're

that they're that they're that they're making to with with

polarization and because that it's because it's And it's It's hard Because now,

They're notpoy Evening constitutionally Thegare Yeah So, It's... It's... ...and

And they're gonnaampoey constitution, and everything. And they're to thinkal in bubble. Yeah. Yeah, bubble that's

more elitist, and... Yeah. ...simacen can be minimatic and disjateraan ...tant ...taped

to be... ...shapapen ...that... ...shapeneralization. ... There's a new-veudalism. Oh, yeah. So, now, the down the feudal, feudal, that they're

if they had, if they had, if they had, now, they're now, the land digital, that platform, platform. But I have a theory that's pretty much mendassar. This is only can be helped if there romo that many, ...

in a discursus in a work-i, in a bit of the time in a-a-bada, in-school, in-cantor, in-pacar-Ikan, or what,

the-monging like this. Now, this, back to the theory that was that that's,

if you, that's, if you're from the capital-Rumat-Gas, from Sabang to Mroke,

not-pun- not-pun- -s-s-s-sult- to-it-cult- we can't dootomicon what we're what we're going to be in the context of the development of innovation technology but if there guru in school that's noth

like Rommo's saying, and there three-and-juta and dosen, can't talk about the same, beattie-hapalagued with the biggaping, don't look at HP more than two-jams a day, yeah, right, then, and then,

and then, and then, Regulation also what's has also has to be able to be itonot. So I can't even didig, myasasua in time

when you're having, on the two to four fours, Rowe. There are you There's one

there's one If there if I look data that's Rata in Indonesia, nine to Yeah, that in the

G. In Joggi, it's, That's from us, eight, right, right, nine time, Romo. I'm going to be able to. If I'm going to be able to be able to beckhundred. And the same time, tick-tok, yeah. And then I said, you know, what's going to be able to do, yeah, people are like to massac,

the food, do you look, and people who are going to make up a lot, in photo, d'lid, yeah, why not, bacae platoos republic just, but I said, that's the fact that, that we have we have been around like,

like, like, like, socrates, like, so I'm interpolae people. I think, if there's three-and-juta Socrates, so it's, right, right?

But, but, the majority of three-and-juta guru and dosan, not Socratic. Yeah, right? To be asked

the question, the question-an- yeah, like, Paddi, that, he's not-per-purner- but,

But the topic is the story. I'monged French, rumpah, and everything. But I've, yeah, I've been thinking, junker-balik, what, yeah, solution that's the most pragmatic. Guru? Yeah, guru, because guru, he has had been

authority, and the child is, mannought, yeah? Ta'at, yeah, with guru. So, if, if, good, betel, so, the kids, can't be able, be able to be able. And, men, men, young, Um, um, um, in Indonesia, um,

to bea-lis-a-lott. Yeah. Inund, uh, with the amount of 70-oddhut-old, or 75-juta, that's a lot more than to the depot. I'm not going to look at, the heartaping to be there. If you're at least-of-umor-15-year,

because of the impugation IQ, PENicatinect that's up to 16 Yeah, right? So it's a guru if we're saying we're saying we're going to reformation. Now, now, post-truth, it's kind of kind of

with incapacitistas people to to make-indar-opening with facta, and, other, what other, which can be

doing to be abate incapacitazitas, to be-cad-a-cath- facta-to-re-re-a-fac-a-lary opinion. So, there there's

one that's like this because of course because the matter to be able to not like so on

facta, but there are three asal usul yeah, so there because

psychologous yeah so that manusia that's fundamentally not too rational

yeah so so that because confirmation bias yeah if you've always had a good-you-upon-you-ap-pastly,

but if you're not, but if you're not-and-a-chow-y, there's an repetition effect, because it's always, if I, if I was from little, from the kiddicklander, Rinso, Rinso, that. Rinsu was in-sendip, too, but, until now, so if I'm to supermarkets,

I'm trying to be sabun, much, many brands, that I'll be Rinsau. There's, what other? Sampo Hito. It'sarer. There's many of the tombay. There's many much macsychologous

that's really not a macklok that's rational. That's the point of the point of the two. Why post-truths more regal? Because as far sociologous, yeah, that algorithm of metisos. Every person has had a, have a. Ponyp. So, many, much of the data

to be able to be that's sopacet, It's the last. And then, this is not look, this is also for me, because I'm atrialism, for us, postmodernism. That's,

it's, it's, it's, how much, intellectual. Yeah, so, this is not only

only the house, but intellectual. Mulay this too, relativist, because there there's,

there's, there's, so, so, so, I'm bringing problem to this,

not the, not the, this one one, one, one, What? AI.

Oh, yeah, yeah, so. So, yeah. So, yeah. Mackinnery that, yeah. With, it's more than machine. Yeah, promos, a few more than brain rot.

Mungo, so, this, this, this is the quateration yeah, about phenomena METSOS and AI

this, so there's the name name is brain rot, or pustook in artifisc, not figurative, but in artifixic. So I think many people have that people have been access

like TikTok or YouTube, that's kind of we're excited, yeah. Ah, this know, this, this noton information, and I'm noton information, this and gnaturned forayvajibusely, and ganty-gant-trued, and ganti, yeah, we're excited too. We're excited, too. Dopamine, it, it, out, there, hormone that, we can't be it'sen-excited.

Now, now, now, that, we get to, we're going to, Like, like, like, like, goadone? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's something that's something that's worth of, something that's something that you're doing. Achirn't, take it again.

Dapotapot again. Now, imagine if you're not, that's not enough, that, you know, that's still in the cycle of the dapaline, gethapy did, ditha, resh, see what, the hearting again,

so that's not going to be able. Otak, it's beenbeenang, it's that, if we're learning, that if we're doing something new, so the trampillan, yeah,

I'm not able to bea sepidah, now, when I'm, when I'm, it's aimbing, it's going to, Baca book.

It's not much It's hard. There's what I'm sorry. It's really, this is what? But, it's all right. When we're

doing, synapsis terbentok. Or, the olaraga. The point of physical motoric, yeah.

Now, if the little only haus with dopamine, though, that's not there's been

not there's not puttok so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

Because there's manusia that's that's just like, that's the image of the matrix but I'm thinking, wow, this, this, this, he's not only the consumer passive from big tech, it's,

just to do you for dopursuil to buy to give them to give them making money. There's book that's written by Jonathan Hyde.

Named. Namedousous generation, yeah. Yeah, one of many points that's about how much the time we're in the time we're not too much protective for the cat's making

activity, if we're going to to becha, like, becha, like, sapi, godo-amette. Remain in the sungue, yeah, man in the yeah, not-pourke-not-panked-ponged. But if, if the time of now, the people are more protective to have notherstic.

Yeah. Yeah. But, they're not protective on the activity on-line-neigh-on-in-in-in-a-a-a-pac-a-pac-a-pac-a-pac-a-pac-a-pac-a-pac-a-pac-camp. Right, people,

not-not-hap-hap-hap-hpahed, not-paw-paw-upon-paw-paw-upon-a-paw-a-paw-a-pac-pac-a-tall-a-tis-a-tall-a-tas-a-old-hals-old, and that, and that's-a-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-nation. The last, that's-hung-a-namb-laping, in-haping. the other's MP. There's before you, there's film Adolescence in Netflix, there's film, what other than from Korea, same, the theme of the same.

If you're the last time in English, who's, who's, who's, who, because he's made, it's got tolack the chintan. And, ternata, after police the, HP,

they're being, it's, it's, consuming toxic masculinity, So the idea, the guy is this is this, like that's the theory, Andrew Tate, who's that's on the other than, 80%, that's always

men's 20% of the other than, like, alfa, like, that's, now, the, the, I don't know it, I'm not the name, yeah, this, I'm not gonna be, I'm, like, with, Kethi, like, yeah,

I'm, this, I'm, this, which, I'm gonna, which, yeah, this, this, then, then, and thence, thence, well, that's just like, too, but in English, yeah.

So, I think, that there are films, film that that's going to be able to work, and I'm sure, and I'm sure, to look, yeah, to look at the situation this, because, it's true, yeah, that's been, that's been, that's not, that's quite,

protective, aty-h-h-h-h-hurtig, but, they're not, but, they're, I'm at the room, butahal, all the jatheightant is now there. NERIgh!

So, if people are not even intervention in the bedang in, now, we're going to be able to YouTube, but

to usuk, people also can't be able to learn on, yeah, we're, we can't be being,

where can't be d'n't. D'Lew, D'Uroup, we'd like, with people, did you know, not be able to,

no, and how, we're not, we're, we're not, we're And in the time 3rd night, then it's all right,

you're all right, you know, only can't see until 10 day Saturday, like that. Now, now,

not you know, not. Yeah, not. And I'm and I'm like, that's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, that past.

And, and creativity that, that's, that, decory with, not,

creativity that with, there, creak, yeah, better, like creativity or creativity

innovative. If you know, if you're not need a IQ high Q. But if you're innovative, it's a key

that's the job of people, or people, or people, or people, you have to make up creativity to be able

innovation. Not trick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the young, young people are people who's quite

bingong. Creativitus to, yeah, we're creative, but creativity, but creativeness, but it's not innovative. That's subtle, the difference.

Now, I'm going, this AI, this will be manifestation in automations that's more mingat ificalization did look by machine digital. Yeah, right?

we've gotomassi, we've gotomacur, gampang, ratio manufacture to come. Paran manufactur is very hard but not know how much

ratio it's up to be able to be the last year. And then-in-a-tallus, which had been 23% from population, turned to 18% of population. sector that's partan

from the economy to turn to 13% this I'm looking this is the same this is going to be in fact need to be able to be able to be

bad at kareya as much more stable, economy, political, social and all the but the more rentanan

meninkat because the padatat karea it's been even if it's If you, if it's impot-a-i,

with the same-hapinging it's-location, so that it's dislocation as much people. So what's going to make, you know, it's going to make an instability, economy, politic, social. This is, not, be a thesis-baru?

In context, Hegel. To make-buruk or to make-buy? Yeah. But I'm not advocation This ishindary We need to be Yeah, if it's not Dysopian

Berthit that, Yeah, man It's, because We're, we're only consumer, pure consummant. There's one person People's to

Compass, that that's interesting Yeah, so, yeah, so, in Europe, and America, it's 70% young young

is pessimistic with AI. They're I. because of the can'tjubljubljubljubljana, Indonesia, in Singapore,

too, is very optimistic with AI. They're going to AI. Lalu, the penulis this made up again

this, yeah, this is a kind of kind of people, people, Indonesia,

is optimis with AI, uh, even though even though, even though, we have a. We've got standpoint of what, for, let's say,

the regulation that he's made sure, and whether or Instagram or whatever, mayortar usia. If Australia, France, they can, they can't

platform, with the endang, and with, and with, what, the dendah that's big, yeah. Yeah,

because the server of Australia so that'serick, so if we can't negotiate, making the paraturalan be it, even though, it's going to be it. We're not putting the data or whatever, so.

So, we're, we're just, we're only pure consummen, we're really, data our, all the Australia, Google's Australia, we're not putting, how, what, what, what, and what can't

I'm I'm I'm going to be able to callusinacy that's out of the LLM yeah that's going to be

so that's if you're the POMP A.I. IQing is 78 hallucinacy that's out from AI not as

quality like if Socrates that's that's that's yeah yeah right this

this is very this is very very correct with cognizy AI isaughanation by-dasar-haphn

which ishaping with the quality hypnotis. If you're nothaphael, I think that's still okay, this narrations. But if you're hypnotis, non-socrates, yeah, we have to be able

with presumption that's a lotusinacination the same thing is the same thing is how much as the same thing that's not as a bit more than hypnotis it's now, want not want, yeah, we're

must one of the kind of to endary unintended consequences you have to it's gettingacted so that hallucinations be and

and, and, the I. A.I. this, generative to agentic. Agentic, loop.

He's been think and can't make-kerankaking and make-kerankaking lang-a-law-a-lac-lac-an-a-lac-an-a-lac-nach-n't. Man-an-an-sall. Then-in-sala, and... ...the-perbaiky.

With cyclos non-stop, but... ...asucan-you-as-you- In the In the same, it's all of the I'm like, like open AI,

making, what, making programs, like that, can, I'm, can, if you're, if it's,

they're going to still, but if it's going to be able to itself. It's like made, but it's come

not, not, not, about about gentr-backed, again, that's the future is for everyone, he's not going to be a certain person, super-sadest, for each other. So, then, every person,

like, an assistant, like, assistant private, like Siri, but who, but who's going to go-food, go-for, go-food, he'll be able to say, I'm going to answer,

I, like, okay, maybe, a lot of the but after you, but after or not, is it's, if you're in front of what, not? If you're making, then, then, then, from,

then, from, from, if you can, get back, if you can't, but if not, with the same thing, it's stop, yeah. Because, in the back, this is all about data. Oh, yeah.

Data center. Yeah. And the do you know. The other one is, like, not the problem, that, you know, that's, like, this is so, you know, you know,

that's a lot of under the water, yeah, that's been given to be able to, yeah, and, which is underdemean, because they're not ever to beca up, yeah, how many jute-liter, air, that you can't make up against this server,

yeah. In-belakang, it, can, business-gooding, really. So, and we, we, in, in the,

about, about, we're, we, So we're going to that we're not people. We're not upon. And I, but there is that can't make sure that if we're using AI,

that's the power of 15 times lipat, dbondinging Google search. So it's, maybe can't make make italmat can we are the underbattasan energy. Yeah, true. We're not, we're not. We're not really,

we can'tung, instead of the great findetic, to not with the consequence. Yeah. Now, I, I want to end up again? The fact of it is a lot of idea. I'm going to, I've beenrock,

or talenta. Because we started with education, I think we'd airing this, with education. The first, is a about abouteribumian that's great-bishop

so industrialization in Japan Pra and Pascha the World War II that's topang by people of people Japan not there bantuan from

out Japan Japan's up economy the world number 2, now number 5 but still top 10

the two, brain gain. Now, this is Australia. He won't open the people, people from people from people from people, from India, China, Canada, America, Singapore. Dibuca, up, up. Aikla, top 10.

The third, brain circulation. Circulation, circulation. This is Tioncok. Since 78, 178, they've got to give more than 9 million to the whole world. Belajar, the same, back industrialization. Now, number two, economy the best of the world.

The last, brain linkage in India. In 50 years, they're going to give him more than 7,000. German, English, America, Australia, majority of the majorities to learn STEM, but not want to India but we can't many people people people people people people people around India

Chanel dipimpin by the women of India Microsoft Satya Nadella Google Sundar Pichai Yeah, that Now we've been

We've been looking how banks to be mola talent or the I'm not yet Indonesia Bisa can't brain train Like Japan

because people tinder not as much because of the people. I'm looking at, brain gain and brain circulation. Brain linkage, we can't be able to be able

like India. Because diaspora we've got, it's the same $250,000. Don't, not many, yeah? The Hong Kongkaw, 9,000,

India, $2,000, we're 250,000. It's so hard to to givepacquhance to the importance of Indonesia to be able to get inemassan but brain gain, we want, we need to be able,

to get a talenta that's great from the world for we can be able to learn from them. Moreh if they're notting, we'll learn from than we're giving. But brain circulation, we also, want, not want to have get to give.

To French, to Italy, to America, Japan, Tijuana, Australia, and other than other, how much? This is for emasance, and thesis new Indonesia. So,

but it's really in era reformation this, kind of, so there's been people, and people, people,

and it's been through the actually, we're, yeah. Only, then, then, when,

when we're to come back to get to be also, because I, because I'm , because I'm Romo,

I've, I've, I'm sure, So that's up, so on to come to you. I'm not about it. I'm not. I'm sure. But if I see my

my team's in the ITB or in where, they're, they've, they've studied so good, in France, yeah, laboratory, kren, like, that,

to come to campus, or if you to lippy, yeah, politics, politics, this is the federal, so, so,

and, not, not, So that's Sooterseruneration, I'm going to get because it will be it's always impact. But then we also have to make sure beaic system

campus our, ecosystem of our ownterian our people who have learned and who have motivation this, this, it's upak, and kapake with with power of good. Don't, if you're going to, when when I'm going to, oh, it's just so much more so much more than I'm

I'm going to learn fielsafeut. I said to them, now don't go along then you're going to be a lot of situation in here or long, pull down to gogy-gegeal, meaning you're cumulking the way to beaure, can I'm realistic, though, they're in awam, they're buttoe of money, butto what you, you know,

you'll try postdoc, do you know, if you're going to, if you're going to be I'm not really plus of Indonesia, I'm from I'm from Africa, Europe, Timor, or America Latin, or other, yeah,

or other, yeah, the Nile plus Indonesia, we, that's into, that's all, that, that's not,

that's all the , I mean, like I mean, even, even more than, much, I'm, thinking to come

if you, they're out of India, they, yeah, not buy a roundtrip. That's, So this is the potential that's greatest, if you're the people who's about,

so we're doing, but also, you know, help the perfect ecosystem so, yeah, we can't be able to be able to be it. Can, say, the people,

they're heepad, tibed, in the world, before, when, when you're going to come up, campus,

get on to, here, so, so, so, I'm, I'm thinking, the,

people, I'm sure, but as muchempsestinia because of Microsoft name's Wahyungi see. CEO's Google in Mountain View

Naman Bamang. Yeah, right? From the Sondar Pichai or Satya Nadela. That's right because not

it's going to be the landmun, in the can'torship, in Seattle, in Microsoft, not spupu'i, in Bangalore,

Mm-hmm, Mantan gurunia, Yucerat, schoolh, yeah, right? And if he's in India, he'd think,

I'm going to invest for Microsoft, minimum $40 million $40, in than if he beckonjung to Jakarta, because no

there's, there's tali emosy. Yeah, right, that, yeah, nambong to what I'm going

to what I'm want to say, If they can postdoc, if they can't work dog, if they can't be a lot of Google, in Alibaba, so that's a lot of it, it's very embankhaka. And it's inspiration to more able to makele linkage and brain circulation. So, so, in the United States, who are in the United States who are who are who, who are being able to be able, and the other, can't even,

also they're justo-you-you-they-cure, they're very hard, but there's always there, but from the lingungan that I know when I study, or what I'm sorry to me, they're trying to be a lot more than there, there's a lotteroom, yeah, in Freiburg. Yeah. Paken BASA German, yeah, and

the litigntice about Nietzsche, Mampo, we're that, mampo. And then, when I think, I think that I do not do you know how much. I'm like this. Cajian. Bro, this is how to the importance of the young young young young,

ager, for them to clisahed or penderitaan. That's only merponged and not to call. Yeah, this I want to be about how the young young to be stoic,

stoicism. How much? So, so we're going to make sure. Yeah, so we're going to be able to Hegel, yeah. When we're not, no, no, no, no, no. So, yeah. So, yeah, okay, la. Penderita is,

something that, you, yeah, not, not, not, not we can't, not be it's not, in one moment there's a lot of the problem and sometimes, it's necessary I'm sorry. I didn't tell you about about my experience.

When I was master, I've already I've written, this, Plato, this 120 halmen. I've given to the bimbingen. Madame,

this I've done setis master's not alone to do you see. Oh, yeah, still, I've been also, I'm sorry, I'm going to be,

Madame, what, Stiot? This is, but, but, you know, but also, I'm going to be like, like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm sorry, bad, bad, ma'am. Wow.

Abis, then, then, I'm, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and then, then, there's, there's, you know, and, you know, and, then, then,

I, did, I, did get to-campus, marra, I'm gonna, yeah, I'm out of the other. I'm I'm a lot of English. I've already learned about people, I've got to use

many people, I'm doing my name's between myself. I'm I'm not coming from my name. I'm sorry I'm not out of grammar. I'm sorry, I'm not. Stress. I'm I'm really, but still, so much like, my career intellectual, I can't have this,

because, the tessy's my, so, until, actually, Romo Rector in the room, to, that's, then I'm gonna get in

back, then I'm gonna be out, and I'm gonna' again, I'm gonna, so, so, so, so, I'm gonna, to,

many, to be the, so, so, I'm gonna, I can't, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be,

If she's I can't say, I can't say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, Madam, I'm sorry, this is I corrective. So,

I've got to say, back the backerickness, so I'm going to ask you, and maybe he's got to look, to see, my own,

yeah, yeah, I, yeah, back, so, I, I'm back, I, back, then,

and then, after the, a week. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, then we'll be able to, so, I'll just, I'll ask, like, so. Trenica, if you're not, because, if you're not, but maybe, they don't buy-a-alaman or two-halamand,

and maybe, the basingingh, can, cuckoo, yeah. Can I have also, a student, yeah, if I'm not-basket, grammaring is better, but bachel it's not-enak, like, it, like, cuck-pug, like, now, maybe, yeah, but, yeah, but, if, if,

did you're okay lullus ujian with a good and he's always being a friend bad manned bad even

bad even he's being even in the same the way to get to meet with loup brisong that's the

the most the best in the person madame that I can't connect with and I can't

beeminging with him being being in this I'm whatever you can't whatever you so peasant whatever we

somehow will come. Cauta. because because of the sameara. because of the world because of the time, whatever. Penderitant will come.

Yeah, hadapi. And, and if you have energy, have the energy, have the energy, have the power, lawan, what's it,

but sometimes if not there, sometimes, there's been sometimes, there's something that's just in,

in telan. Shinar, what, that's what? Theoramom, think, it's not the penitania? Peneditism. Why? I'm sure that

penitin't kegall. Yeah, I'm back to jatid my, maybe because the keyakinant if,

if, salip, it's not not a katek if, if, in the iman we,

so, so, ... unstable. Persk paraphrie, even tussen and... ...there allowed... ...this showing, two years, ten years, it's been true. But if we have注意 that...

...pendridae, that's not last. And we're making it... ...it can have been carquatant. What is it for a certain... ...injad... ...and... Indonesia, I'ma

I'maughan I'm nothurti Indonesia I'm noticmati budaia our that's gaying

yeah so sometimes not serious we're kind of that's it's for me that's what

I'm because that I'm that I'm I'm I'm I'm a lot I'm

I'm a lot I'm I'm in Italy, the French yeah If like that's, But it's like that's,

guyang, that's, yeah, gaieng, that's going, yeah. But we also, what, be serious, yeah, to make upay can't that's the same now, so, so, that political,

like this, runyam, yeah, economy, like this, like, so, as I, I can, contributory, to make up,

at a level that I've got to do you. And I have to have people, we're serious, but we can't even get in, we can't be cullinar with us, that's, it's a bigelioring. It's not as much of Pranches,

not seabat America. But whatever, I'm chinty the country this. In here, I'm betubes, and in here I'm being here, and in here I'm up, the people, yeah, that's in the next to me,

They can't say, the way of the way, or maybe more than than India more than the more than the other than, there's a lot. There's a person, Romo? The other,

uh, uh, no, no, no, soar-biasa. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's the Romo Steelewibowo, Pam Red, Basis, and Dosen in STF. Thank you.