Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Amadeus Driando: Indonesia's Food of Hope for the World

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

Yang sering dianggap jelata dan disepelekan bisa jadi salah satu sumber keberlanjutan bahkan kelangsungan hidup peradaban.  Dr. Amadeus Driando Ahnan-Winarno atau yang akrab disapa Driando, adalah seorang sciencepreneur yang berspesialisasi di teknologi fermentasi tempe. Dia juga merupakan co-founder sekaligus CTO dari startup teknologi makanan yang berbasis di London bernama Better Nature.  Driando hadir untuk menyerukan gerakan konsumsi protein nabati, memaparkan pandangan terhadap isu malnutrisi dan mengajak setiap anak muda untuk dapat saling menginspirasi lintas ranah dan generasi.  #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #TempeMovement --------------------------  Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/628119182045 Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: https://endgame.id/season2 https://endgame.id/season1 https://endgame.id/thetake Dengarkan juga di Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/72q1XjiuFViF2tx7IbQ5X5?si=B-l7hi7ET7uYmu6kbyhs7w Kunjungi dan subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu8fHdbHwJ1MFqf7Uz95aFw https://www.youtube.com/c/VisinemaPictures -------------------------

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and it's just Dutarchan TEPA is undangan TEMP is only one one on one on other

many like TEMP in Bidang that we have Gali, tetap the identity our that's

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and technology now, we can't find the identity Indonesia, in the past. This is NG. Hello,

Taman, we're coming Amadeus Driando Anan Wynarno, a one, TENP. Ando, thank you,

can't be Tell you, de. Perjalan'n'n'hid, since I'm born in Bogor, on 4 November, 2000. Right. So, I'm late,

November, 1992. But there's a new thing that, where, when I was still in condonging, the plowang I can be given slamat, that, about 55% because there's penderan.

From, from, I'm from policy. The mother, you know, not like, say, say, but I'm not

I'm not going to eat with my own. I'm going to be able to work. And I was like to do not like the dogging, from the very small. So, if you're just to press, so, so that's up there's giziness, but what I like, it's justro tempe, t'empe, t'o.

That's my, so... This is already predestant. It's, it's, already, from there. Now, so, from the timep this is about me In the

snack, my snack, Tempe Goring, still until now. The other than... Because of the M.Hourst, in Regina Pachis, Bogor, in Regina Pachis, Bogor, Kuh, which I'm going to get. From there, from the S-3, at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, in America. I'm going to again in Oxford

the time and now, now, now again, and again. And, and we'll take food science, again,

because I'm being, because I'm going to see sysparo gambarance, to scale up. Yeah. And, yeah, yeah,

there's been, there's a lot of ways, the reason that makes it Like, if I'm not to do this long as long as

life I, the person I'm not there's been there's been there. There's one,

there's gen canker that's the family. Kake, I have been operasy his own

his own in garassie room as as the doctor hewan so hegues trauma

because operation this and Pindh to the world to the

technology Pangan Indonesia and I'm born like to look at titic titic that I'm

see how what what what can we can't we can't risk of cancer. Because

many people in the people in the same this is important. The amount of other than

other than other than other than this isirate the thing the second is lingungan,

in Bogor, Jakarta, the Ketakarum, which is nominassi as a song the most the world. If I'm

running, Pagy, latian maraton, I have a lot of, what can be doing, what, that's not

like this, the land, sustainability. Tadability, and the last, equity, affordability. I have

Paman and Boudi my, and Baudet my, Duda, my, my, is a German, the people of my own Indonesian in Germany, they're in German, I don't have

a lot, but I'm being, I'm going to be a lot of it, so, it's about to the area that more the more in Indonesia, the most of the Raja Ampat,

especially the Dessa Sowingrae. After a few time, routine to turnerner, I, it's, them, my time myelotrissue, stunting.

Yes. In-situ, I'm at least my own privilege. If I'm not to do anything, at least not

trying to try to the power I'm in life my life is that that I'm and from the

problem with I'm doing I'm not even the time yeah, so that's okay, before we're

deep dive, why maratown hobby you? Yeah, I know Marathon When I was living in Massachusetts I'm going to entar-k

to New York Lagerie to New York City Marathon Wow, Marathon this, people are people who are doing, I can't, I can be able to

be a business but I'm going to six world major marathons. In which, in New York? In New York, Boston, Chicago,

Berlin, London, Tokyo. Now, if I'm going to promote Tempe, I run. I run.

I run. I run. On Tempe. I run for Tempe. I've run for Tempe. I've run for bacon. From the penit. I run for bacon.

I'm looking. If I'm trying to bring Tempe this because competition oligua global, even with the scale I'm as a person. So, so,

so, now, I've got, I've got. I've got. I've got. Oh, it's it's six and six. October, before,

in London. If you're in Indonesia in Marian, in Bali? Well, because I am shemot kaki for the London. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Not gampang up.

Yeah. Time's how? I'm the time. 45 minutes. I'm the... I'm probably... I'm the last. It's 6.

Because Berlin and Chicago, I'm larry two maraton in two mingue. Wow. Yeah. Sempotrauma, two years, and then,

then, now, back again. There, Is there not, not really not, is it? Can't consumcy tenpe

with efficiency lari? Or? There's not otot. Okay. Tempe, because sifat anti-oxidant

and it's, so, recovery ofot it is more more. Okay, VO2 max, yeah,

yeah. Okay. We've got to with Tundutankis and cabang olaragraga other, we always try to pasti-o-2-max, they're at 10.

Yeah. But I've never thought that Tempe that's been correlates with peningat of VO-2-max. If you know, in hindsight, yeah, I'm going to give them to them, that.

Yeah. Maybe it's not to the VO-2-max but, but it's up-acal because via the way of the recovery otot-it.

Yeah. So, it's about Tente. process of the Pemboater Pempe, that's like how much? So, so tempe, it's first time

did documentat about around 1,600-an in a surat cintini, which, this, this much,

some of the lontar, which, the transcript. D, where, and by, by,

by, did documentat by Pakubuono Kepat. So, when it was Pangeran, were just,

for the journal to make the desam bayat claten to be able the place my case

I'm that's didhendk it's sambal tumpang or sambal leto so that

so that after a long that was done for the people who for houndereran so

I'm sorry so gomass yeah the d'rach this this the range being

taken for granted because murg for granted because we're like, like that's like that

400 years that's time the first time it's not with kacang kedalai that we know but kedalai

hot, local, it's made in the area around there and in the kentara, like in Wunugiri

that's various, tempe kakak kak kak kak kak kak mati so. So, tempe

in the kind of from the Kedelai. Now, the process the Same, the benang-mererhan.

The concept muddhaugh is the memaeanour tempe how we're men'senang-kind heart byi-bae jamur tempe so they're tumbled to make sure. It's made make-en-bacuant bachuant it's more gizzi,

so it's just muddhaeat it's more than-a-mastek. Now, if we're looking par par par par par par paragin-tempe, they mean, they're using raggedy-servo-it-it-it. That, if we're zoomed with microscope. ... Inocylum.

...itone. ...buttoeunununununun. Beto. Inoculumia is spora spora jamur tempe. The most the most

but in Indonesia like keju in Prancus in the Indonesia is kind of kind of kind of kind of

kind of time. So, so it's there's one person one-Nen-Moyang that

iseng, oh, I'm bow-beckle ah, to the air-rebus, it, he mungus it put it,

it's been it, that it's, It's just two days, it's, why it's it's just

it's not, it's not enough. It's not. It's not. Because one one, ising,

it's because one isheng, it. It's been the It's like, it's like, there's a development but there's

there's been there. Now, in the permukes there's poran Rizopus, and now

we're, we want to make M.P. It's, okay, bay, baby

gemur this, that did ragi, it's like it, like it, oh, mawomeny, yeah, we're cupas, kacang, we're rebus. Oh, mawana,

yeah, da, we're, we're, we're we're not too panace, yeah, we're, we're, not, we're too bad assa, yeah, we're,

we're, we're, abasmack, tithur, in the room, we, yeah, we're, we're to make to doon or, or,

in industry, now, plastic. Oh, mawany, the room there, there, the endelan't, the, plasticn't,

the door, there's clas-celhsha like. Oh, mawomeny, about 1.5-day, 30-jamb, until 72-jamb. Yeah, then, then, it's, he, they're back in.

It's, he, he's bhaugia. So, it's quite. Like, this. Okay, this, can, many B-12. Yeah. And then, then, I've got,

been over a couple of about how rizopus it's, it, be-tambhacken, with bacteria, bacteria, other. Tell us.

So, the end-ug-ug-in'n't- to make Superman or not? So, yeah. So, so, so.

So, M-Pe-N-BATI one-Sathing one-one, that's-a-al- -lame-B-21- because vitamin B-12

is one Zat-Gizu-Zi that's-GISI- that-Pen-Pek-E-Sher-Pek-LATs, system-function human-normal, where if if people

not consume product hewani, where now veganism also is going to be there's even

involuntary vegan, people who are people who people who people who can't like

like I'm like like that's important to get a vitamin B12 TEMPE

this can be one can be one of the world this is one can't from

Indonesia but it's because it's because of it's because contamination because bacteria

that's used vitamin B12 this, there's citrobacter, propionibacter, there, klepsiala, this is,

it's actually, it's actually it's not, it's like to the network, it's like through the

trunct, it's like through the water, water, through the water, like,

and contamination like this can, can bea that's not yet in the industry of the modern

that's hygienis. So, this I've already been from 2018 with my team my time,

how we're jodoch can risopus as the jamour tempe in with bacteria this, so that tempe

tempi that's the produce can't the and condoan vitamin B12

it. For, the end it for the and the health and and the perjodohan this

can't, but what's the name it's a trodohan, because it's not, it's the first, it's got to meet in where, so like,

so, like, in laboratory, we see, okay, miscellarkey, they're both, me, need, date, like,

yeah, the place to be able, so, so, so they're, but, but this

only one bacteria, barue, barue, gizi, the gizee, the gizee which I'm

I work also omega-3. Omega-3, this is important for, like,

and again like, the bacteria omega-3 is like like the bacteria vitamin B-12,

but in the water. So, micro-alga. Al-Gat, but micro. Now, this also

be jododokkan with Rizopus. Wow. So, Tempe that has been evolutionary,

and nontin-Nutri- and nantin-n-n- texture like seafood alternative. Inspirations, modern, is traditional. Traditional,

kake I used, when I was little, if I didn't want to buy tempe kede, kedgenebos. Because it's more moreh,

it's made from apas, taho. And same, the health. And, not calh, the health. So,

so, it's not, the profile nutrissin's better. But what's the texture is very homogen,

like, daging, seafood. So, from the gapungan, like, to arifan local, technology this can be

like what? To end up after the time we'll see, tempe is like, puttenakan

mass before the non-d- -d-d-nats- two-day- very-day- very-sac- efficient,

because, if we can't be-sioning- with d'agging sapi, tempe conventional to-de-l-l-

protein-n-set- energy energy's setar. Zat-besin setar. Serat the shrapes

more more than thanate more more than the amount genu is more than the amount,

the salt more more than this isi from the cramah lingunganan to

make up protein that same reproducing protein that same TEMP this 4x

5x less less hemat energy 12 times more, more hemed in production gas effect of the house-cache.

And, the higher we know, it's more than more. And the use more than more. And the use more than much. We're doing that's a lot of production of from the backer for pachan, from the plant, it's not to mucked. This we're not being shortcut for consumption of manusia.

If we're going to puttaping that in Australia, that's one-sapy is one hectare. Yeah, can? Can you imagine if there's if there's a few yucat, how do you need to this,

this is in a lot of context, space that's more little bit more than the same part of the human beings. Right.

Right. Right. Okay, so it's multiplicity efficiency this is, uh, very,

it's very obvious very, right. Back to bacteria, this, I was, I, that there's one bacteria,

the name is Akhrmansia, in Sunafila. That's it, that, that's, with capacity that can't make up inflammation, can't make diabetes, cancer, and, and many things.

Amissitis. Yeah. That, is, can't, do, is it, with Rizopus, for,

so, the tempe this, this is really, temper, like, yeah. Well, this, I, because I've been

experiment, in a theory, I'm looking can't. So, the name-in-Mansia Musinifila. Artinia,

I mean, musin, such, musin, can, plapis salurant paneran, the air-liur

we're, that, too, musin. We're, we're, Like, again, the swasana gendid they're

like to be able to. Lampuant. Yeah, lampuinen. It's just, because, because maybe the

ammachemperisopus this, emmecha component that mousin. So, musin, like,

air liur. This, kind, is a, yeah. Yeah. Gell, it's,

jarringan, there's, there, and there's there, protein, carbohydrates, carboh-

activity, jamur-temperisopus, it, emmecah, carbohydrate, protein. So, it's

so Musini Villa this, first, not like. It's just so they're getting to meet, wow,

this, we're getting gel during, yeah. First, it's like, but, dole not

with jamur-tepe. And then, then, then, she's, she's, Dorman. Oh,

yeah, yeah, Dorman. So, yeah, DEMpe, there's, but,

but if, if it's the thing, this is, it's been to be probiotic to bankit in the salaroon

pencernan the end up but it's the same. But it's the mutiny, it's been in musin, yeah,

right? Not tabrackan, too. With that that's right. That's, that's the musin the

or Z.Giz that's the givin can be inginked the acermansia this is he had two

people, can be matit total, it's can be there's a good woman can be made probiotic.

So, he dormant, musin-habis, justro, be a manfought for us. Because, if the tempest it's been, it's just t'empey even, can't beerunctal quality. Because that's reaction

mirroof-reaction. So, it's just. But this is very, this is very, this is a theory. Wow, this is great. It's great, if they explore.

And if, And if it's just it's really can mean it's just humanity, not only the but it's all of the

yeah, functional food. Now, this is a little macro, if I look, if I see, consumption protein

in Indonesia, it's kind of 63 grams per person per day, yeah. Atas, the batas perkenan,

that it's in 58-a-gram. but still in the world. Yeah. Yeah, right now. Yeah, that's all, 68 to 70 gram per one per day. Even if I see in a

in a few of the other in Germany, 99 gram per day. Iceland, 133 gram per day per per one. We're going to to make up not only production, but productivity, productivity, protein,

through 10p and line, like, this is not zero-sum game. How do you know, how you know, to you can't make in from 63 grams per-or-a-a-a-hary to, and-aplagpest, so,

so that our mind-encher, that. Right. I mean, I think that's the component penting, but not everything.

Yep. So. The question is, how we can increase the protein in the in the way of the continuation,

sustainability, based resets by EAD LANSET. So, EIT is organization non-profit that is in FAA, WHO, and Lenset,

journal ilumia that's very known for nutrition public health, in a method study and merumuskin the listal planetary health diet. Mencary polo

Makan like what for health and health and world. So, it's so so it can be partying with good, but the effect the end up peniacet

chronicis, then greenhouse gas emission that's very big. This is what we want to learni. Now,

they makecour consumption of every country. With ambang batas this, who's

who's been people who who are people who are people who are much, it's always 5,000

percent. Contonness like this. Deging sapi is one one one of sustainable

because for one burger needs to one and other and other. And even,

it's there's there components component that if it even

Inflammation, this is a car from various penicicits, like, Alzheimer, diabetes, obesity, cancer, and other, and other. Yeah. So, so. There's a problem of oxygen, too.

Inflammation, too. So how we can't menue gizzi, but, but, and, and, and then perusack

Indonesia, it's nez- they've been left, but he's past. Now, if we can't, from, three,

gram per- gram per per-ohra consumption Tempe that 10% more more than

than the douging from douging from 8% more than from more than

than tahu from 8% so if we can see this this

this is many this many people are many of happy so so there

there is there is there Right, we, the country that like that, yeah,

yeah, do, like that. But, this is India put a position strategic to make a chance. This is

a success success case we, success who case we, we don't be able to be able to because tempe,

because consumption it's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. 10%. Because Rata-a-Rat-Pit

per capita per per-tapet per-tour-trait. So, per-hary-ne-d-d-d-d-bram. it's how to be it, if I'm gonna three tempe per day, that's, that's,

kira, kira, protein. Now, dis-standard... Single digit or double digit? Double. Double. Wow.

Double. Because, portion of the rata-rata-a-tank, 84 gram. 84 gram. Yeah, if we're to-sratusin-d-d-dicket, yeah,

so, per cent-a-gampan protein t-mpe to be-p-pso-and-ggram protein. So, So, it's two digits, medicated 20 grams. From total intake per-orang per-hary. Yeah.

Gila. Okay, now, this is, this, like, this. We're kind of, this, we're going to look phenomenal, impossible meat, beyond meat, could be.

Is it, it's like, like, burger patty, or, like, like, like, like,

it's. It's the same. It's like, udang, that. Yeah, because, Now,

I'm, the work my time that we're in the new that. Plan-based food, startup.

So, in the company that I did in 2018, we we've seen this why we're

to be in between impossible and beyond beyond that's the aspect the alamiannian the

question is to be the wholeamian, technology fermentation tempe as a process, not only one of the food, to manate quality that is like product impossible and beyond. If you're using, the product impossible and beyond,

when they were launching in America, I was really, you know, y'bbing. I've been eating burger, or where, yeah, I also, I just do not. So they're, and the concept is, formulation. Okay.

this isolate protein, protein hamper murny that's from kedeleil, we're coming, this, this is protein, texture's, oh, it's, it's juicy,

coconut oil, minia, but, but, but, but, juice bit, or impossible, oh, we have

IP, to make-production hemoglobin nabati, we're just in, we're just, we, we're,

it, It's the lasagna, from the jammer or yeast extract, so, so, burger, it's important for for Marathon Runner. Yeah, right, he's meant transport oxygen

in the area of our of our oxygen. Yeah. Now, if we can look, process formulation this, d'bending can with Tempe, tempe is very exotic, so, yeah.

We just, we'll just, we'll just, we're just, It's maraud the texture. The first of the tuxelium which is the material, he

merubate so it's texture so it's so there's kent. And, just,

we're jodok with the jamur oncom. Oncum, can, the coloran colorna that's,

that's, it's a colorna, peris d'aging gilling. Beto. So, so,

so, so, we're playing puzzle, the kind of caravan local this is to

look at lens technology to make make sure product that's relevant.

How long again before we can make sure we can make sure method

for this can be like the like the like the like the kind of

like other without without concopati or compromi this

yeah the need yeah yeah yeah this I'm

I'm doing work on resets bernilay $5 million with startup I'm Better Nature in English then institution research number one in Estonia TFTEK

then 2 startup microalga and encapsulation in Spanol three months I have to be there this time resettiness until 2025

step menjodh genuhr and microalga to make texture make the next door

and make prototype product percibobao pilot production percibobao up uj consumer private tasting

that's three time so we're looking we're 225 but I'm still I'm still not not

the point where I think, okay, this is never ever ever to be able to

do you. And it's good. And it's, right. Yeah. Okay, this,

you know, this, you know, the process to make perkyer the time. Yeah.

But we also have to be under-resied, the perbatask. Not only only in the middle

but, but in already. There's a got a to how we can make-stream and substream.

Because if we we can import to the lay that's three-juta per year. Three-juta, production national

a little at one-a-one so. Consumsion just $4-juta-an per-tour-t four-juta-ton. Sucur-s we can

do, consumsi-tempe the so that's the protein is from 63 to 100 grams, yeah, we have to answer, can, 5,000, or, to 10,000 metric ton of production and consumption to delea, each time.

D. From production national, 1,000, or 5,000, or even to 10, socialization to eat TMP, or consumption TMP, or consumption TMP, agar the POMP protein, this, the case

in your lifetime. That's important very, the word of the last. No, no, no, no, this, this is not instant. This is not instant.

It takes planning and long-term thinking. So, the joban I can be able to be from the point of my mind and pengu-usaha

and also the result of discussion. So, So, through Tempe movement, and melancho nature also, we're trying many things.

For example, yeah, we have hypotesis awal. If demand we're taking from the

added value and potency margin it, will be more mugure for the producers and penanam

to make production. Because the kindlal is, the relative, more soilid

to do not it's rather than the community other like the people who

but I'm fluctuative and rentan to the time the I'm talking and I'm also

with the importer to Delai because because people people need to

this import that's there's that berlang that we've we've

made that is made prototype supply chain new for for the

product who have the value the value of the potential globalization

that's different. The product is simple, it's the tapung tempe. But, the topung

tempe that we're making, the protein is 45% serat 14% this, this

relative and... The bagucus The base. The base. The base. We're

to try to Delai, percioban local, varietas man is ideal. Trenata Grobogan.

From, from, this, Grobogan this, more more more

variety of imports than we're important we're analysis. There's potential co-ungulant in there. Now,

we're just between borgue borgue kind of, like, well, this supply more, we're

we're gonna there's a certain, because it's systeming. We know that, oh, we're just

monopop this, this, we're, so, so, we're doing, we're doing

this, but we're We can look at the commodity that the export ideal, not tempe mentah again, not tempe beku again,

tep peck, the best-being-to-kind industry pang-global who, who are many-rame want to make more-re-reli-reli-reli-ty-

demand-n-stique-be-busty demand-tur-bucti-lore. But with quality-te-te-cust-to-like that's-in-y-ole-on-import- that. So, And this also, I still

be able to learn, so I haven't able to say this is real, but I see a plowang in here. And the plowang, the other than, if we look at fermentation tempe as a process, so tempe is not the macan-in-a-the-te-a-tem-a-tall-tem-a-tall-pocket.

Diversification of bachu, this also can do-laken. with narration that, after the fermentation Tempe, technology Indonesia, any,

whatever commodity is more good. Profil nutrition more, the benefit, the health care, the more better than

more than the product, there's so I'm seeing, I'm looking potensy. But, but there's

there, dimensions, the way in the world kind of kind of I'm going Pankan.

So, I'm just, I'm just, I'm I'm going to learn. Kiyakinan of you, how it's how it's disruptive.

Because we're really, maysakinked d'ry, and we've seen that many disrupts this a year, right in,

which is very to be-bukty, and life and and like, my and. Yeah.

Keeakinan I, so 1,000 per mil. So, So, it's not a project under the project

I have acuey. It's just 50 years again, embankinging revolution the revolution

of the if we're when it was from Italy, popular in America, in New York

and it's dilipat in Chicago deep dish that. In Japan there's pizza that

kind of eat in Indonesia, so Ramen, sushi. When the food this has been

evolution and and menjebaden, why? Utomay is a but the time. But, but to the

end we're about we're 2030, 20, 2045, 2050, urgency, food, health,

ramalinkungan and der-gankau. That, we can get to get an person

ever ever did get used before. People, people, or long, will know

how much be good-per- and tempe will be evolution because this is a process,

make commodit the need, and mempuked people to make production and make-re- production with the material

with their. I'm back-and- people. I'm going to traveling to be different different

different different different back-local. Like, to Grenada in the Kepoan Kavana,

you've got Kempke with Kajit-Hitam. We go to Nigeria, we'll we can eat soup wot, some kind of semurrna, soup, did with kacang fava bean.

And nutrition is not a lot more than with chedalek. Nutruging. There's agam, it's gantung with the bachu-nobaccoe. But benang merhna is, whatever that di-fermentation,

the value-baiknavian, the value that not-d-d-dinkin-khaned to run. That's also can beertimanked, if we're not-battasance to be massok to the other or to

make production to the other. Alternative line is there can be better than that. It's been there's a

amount of, it's very can't can't get to carean nutrition. Right, yeah,

with the bann backu whatever. Now, so far, this scalability is how much? To be what you

have been since 2018, yeah? Yeah. So, so, the, The only thing is I'm looking two

different. Tempe movement didirical with my dad and my mother that's all of the amount of pang in in 2014. This is there? There's a day.

It's not. Abas. And... U-uicea, how old is now, 88. And this. And this...

And this... Wow, to write a book, a one book, or more. And this, this, every

food in Indonesia, he has there are people who are people who manduamentasikan. Sondtare, I'm going to pick one,

so, so, so, so, so, Kemp. Oh, yeah,

he, one of inspiration of the life, I'm now, and then,

and, so, so, so, so, Tempe movement, this is, Tempe is a meal is a a manna that makes a great way of people

in other, in the world, and reproductions, making a lot of the environment, and there's-janko. As a good-and-lanko, we're trying to try. Collaboration is the intinion.

Restaurant, okay, make fine dining tempe, the table, with the tautsitra tempe, okay. Um, with the par patine, okay, we're

trying to try genis tempe new, do you know, to be a other people, now, is 13,

comearing we have been in two two two different people, and it, and it's different,

and it's, this is, dissemination, illu, memos, them, so, so,

the, the, the, um, workshop Tempe, the, the way, the way

Two mingue Lago, I was to get to beassed gnajaroid people, it's justerhan. But for people who don't

ever may have ever to be made, this is a stimulation the manned this transparent this,

the alami this, mehate can this, and this is in Indonesia a thousand years.

Now, scalability this is to menuu vision, every country have different

different different different, I'm In the middle of the I've been I'm going to this is a

non-profit organization and even Tempe Movement now is 501C3 non-profit organization in Oregon because we have

there's a bank campaign movement in America but I also I'm looking the showan

Tempe Movement this is format geracan where okay we don't we don't

we're quarterly KPIs but but it's very active in onboard which is better

you know it's okay yeah yeah yeah so you know so now that

we're too much too too too short-termism yeah yeah yeah

yeah there people who people people of the years

just too we're just too we're not we're we're just

more creativity we're our vision, creation, ideation, and everything, it's becoming keren't. Hey, man. Sorry, sorry, I'm going to. Thank you, thank you, but thank you.

Thank you, I, I mean, I'm going to understand. Yeah, so, I mean, my-day-shaeckelsay and kake-shae from 2014, with a lot, maju, and why? Because, first, we're, first, we're, we're not sure, we're not sure we're trying to contribute to the community.

We're three, we like the culture Indonesia, the kyaan Indonesia. Kempat, we're looking people who are people. So, sometimes, this impulsive, but it's very dynamic,

misalmonds. Musim's difficult to menaceped to get-ikin, the governor can't be able to come. There, not, solution?

Oh, in there there's what? It's a lot of. Okay. So, so. So, so. So, sir. Tempe genis-baru can be massar

as far as, as well as their so. So, so it's not there's not there

kortelik KPIs, but this this is just always ajaration collaboration, collaboration,

and this what I'm making me seeing, timepe movement for me for mehbassan. This is

I'm going to turnpe movement is a hubbouran. Now, on the other. Oh, yeah,

and this also, there's there's, there's America, Southan, to beampi temple in Bogor,

who's where we're, oh, want to beaure, make Tempe that's master class, kattain, okay, silh. And from pertukaran energy like this, we're gonna, okay, we're, one in Africa, South, one in Indonesia,

we're actually, we're gonna do the same, to presently can't opsi of the more good, that's, and, and, really, oh, they're business,

not, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, But we look at a gracaan global that's been over control.

Now, in the other other, there's something that I can't I can't do now, that's before I can't be able to be

doing that. Dullo, when I was going to getar to three countries, there's, many who

would be ask, oh, then I can't buy to buy to be my and, and I'm

this I just, I'm just I've got to make it. Yeah, I, I'm I've got, but I can't buy where? Oh, it's

people need to put a question that's good, peredarrant that's quick. Now, wudududeked two-natured. This is Fotech startup

which I'm where I'm not brencana. And this is for-profit. And this is for-profit. Yeah. And, this is really did not be around

because it's competition biotechnology at University of Cambridge, win the first with ID Tempe

this and then the idea only can be used to make the company and

I'm gonna what that that's up at that's $250 pounds Yeah, yeah

well yeah but but but but but yeah

but validasinia but validasin we're people people who appreciate

idea we're like I'm from I from my Chris from business

and then Chris, Chris, it's a person Hong Kong that's from school from school

at work in Oxford. I was going to be school in America, get to meet in Cambridge. We're

there's light like, there's a big, this business is the business is a lot of science yeah.

Okay, we can, and I know, that I'm that, okay, melo the

Tempe movement, I'm I'm in the Kempi, then it's it's a lot of automatically will be a

startup Tempe global, will be people who are people who are people who people who bring them to

the world fashion, but it's a biterate some people, it's like this, this I have

like this, now, with startup this, with funding that sustainable, this is I learn that,

oh, innovation, in the perjodohan risopus, vitamin B12, omega-3, with pendandangan this, rencana reset that rapy, this can't deborak batasasan almea that beforemere that I'd be able to doerkan. Now, from here, I also learn,

not only innovat, but the endinging is product market fit, soing-girden-er-gaining, like, okay, I'm-bent-you-bue, da-da-da, this, I'm-de-da-da-day. From there, it's

sustainability in a financial, where innovation the next year. Now, this I'm learning. Wow, it's not too.

PhD, I need to be able to learn how much it's not. I'm going to learn again. And I'm actually because I'm going to

do you know, okay, if I'm going to be the endpac social, priority number one, Indonesia. I'm just be thinking, how,

yeah? Okay, now we can't donate revenue. Okay, but the

department has more more than the same thing this year. Okay, as the industry Pangan,

every day we release plastic we're we're not we can't this, without plastic,

but can't be the other because the time not back,

we're we're okay, we're we're so, so if people

buy product we're two two-kally, the brad plastic that's we're going to

keep up to beersiked from the carbon we're doing. So, so I'm under-hattickan

that we don't be able to superna, but okay, as we can, as maximum possible in every

path. So, scalability is, beda different. Bede. Bidda.

Bidda. You know, you've, you, the, intinionion about that you have been about business model you're

global. It's not local. Tampas disadari, maybe, but you've got to be able to get-kind business model your

hulu that's the most Kaya. Is it in Brazil? Producent the dollar-the-ter-besat in the world? 34%

from total 350-juta-ton per-tour-tour- America, 32% from total 35,000 million tons, this plug-and-play. Yeah, right?

Just true, I'm not sure, I'm not even, I'm going to Indonesia. Yeah, right? Because the caterbatasance hulun. But I'm just a bit, if this dhast in the agarangara-majou,

because they've got passok in hulunia, and raw material, that will be acuan. And, And what else if militantism to be related movement this,

it's more than to increase. It's all right. Tashanan, it's been at least in various countries, in Indonesia.

And, and it's a path, so, so, so, I know, pabric,

PAMP the impusor, the main from the world, the world, the world, yeah, oh,

in Belanda, in Europe, in Canada, the America, utah in the United. But I'm

seeing the time before the Japan, in Japan in Japan with people who are

that's real from the country to Japan. I mean I'm not this is important to be

for the free, for contributions devisa, for a scam new,

channel new, and with idealism Kendele local still still

still but it but it but the part of the puzzle this one-per-one,

they're doing-cumpul-can. Come-mary who has been able to go-gurk to China. Now, I'm with startup that's based on English, that operational, we're-

Why in English? Because in here, product market fit that was- grant from the English. Yeah,

but, but English, it, but, mimpin, from the innovation of the

money, so, it's They said, this capital of plant-based food. Dullo, I first time, I was like, in Indonesia, we've been built supply chain, we try export. Then I think, wow, gila, this is just a-brew-ablish-dur-dil-hand. Okay, we're boughed demand here.

Baru, we're building supply chain prototype that I said, for tepung-tempe. So, there's a-nank-hulun-n-n-nug-hug-plug. Pluck, so it's play. So, smart. Yeah. So, wow, I think scalability is this is a lot more realistic

from what I think. Oh, shuckold. IP's how about? Now, this is, IPE, I have to be able to investor- Parfis, just to get it. Inventor of the Indonesian, I'm number one. Assignee of my company,

where I'm the person's-in-same-threbesar. Now, from here, we've already five patents. It's already the word intellectual property organization. We can't be looked at the website. We're trying to make sure to make gemboc,

gembock, the gembock, the gemboch the endopementation product, not efficient, and not visible. So, okay,

the intifermintasit tempe is what, oh, it's so, modification upurant particle that's okay

we're lock that's okay the fermentation thing thing the temperamentation what yeah oh

penesuoying condition for judoan so okay so that so it's like so there

not thinking to more focus to software than hardware so just

focus to IP it's so more than more than the operation. It's. It's just a lot of it.

Because if hardware in the Dunya Tempe are machine people make, and other, and, like, and software is,

temperature pertumbuance, then, humidity, the, the, the, the,

hygiene, the, people, who, people, people, and, we're,

we're, and we're, and, we're the because trade secret, because trade secret, it's more so little

in the lineage. Wow. Okay. It's, it's, and this, I see there's prospect to make global-can

brand. Not only Tempe, but brand Indonesia. Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Talk about that. Brand building for Indonesia is

from the Tempe. Yeah. If I'm in myruth I, I'm talking about brand and branding, I always want to make sure can content that's accurate in it. Because, I mean, if only narration,

many people can't make sure. And narration can't messatkan. So, I always want to mottomacan. Now, on Indonesia, I don't know why. From, from the S.D., if I could upacara every day, in the Senate, I always,

if I keep singing Indonesia right, I, I'm I'm going to singe, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to say every senen. Now, until I'm at law to be law country, I always know, I want to live in Indonesia at the end up again, and the

panguilion of life I am, is a bit of course, in area that I glutee, to include, memosue, this. Because, because the best

I'm the people who can't be able to see. So, I'm really there's a question of

some kind of after I'm, I'm in America I'm back, my eyes my own, Massachusetts with

the rapihanes, with the new the the way major majean, there's there's a

cummuh, yeah, in a way, visual, I'm running, I'm renung-wark, wow, I'm naive

really, yeah, I'm gonna move this in in the world in life I'm in front of my mind-in-a-a-a-sac-saleing

educating and inspirations lintas-generation. Because if only one generation only one-one- that, I think, I don't

think that's to that's up to. From there, my mindset I, okay, how, how, The smangathe can be tular can and it

can get used. Wudutin'bh, not a pa-a-a-a-a-pacut. But, the smangathe is as one of pin domino that can't to go to-sano. And, in this, I, I see,

see, I'm going to look the potency Indonesia. In America, I'm looking the definition American dream. Temen, my, I'ma-Kos-sai, like,

where, okay, some people have people have if you have a little-o-k, if you're a great-carus, can't-success, can't-puner mobile. That's the most I hear.

Indonesian Dream, can be biased, yeah, because of the co-gauling I, Indonesia Dream, more people who think about to give them back, okay, if I've got

success, I'm going to help community, this sector this. That, that, I'm in-milike-ne-n-lake-negare-lain. and my friends from India,

and from Tibet, and from China, it's not so much Indonesia who people who people who need. This is,

optimism I'm, and the aspect pangan, this is one one of one one of puzzle. So,

actually, Tempe movement, the garrackan this, essencein' it's not only not just

the human, not only process technology, but mental. I'm looking at M-B as a philosophy

philosophy where, first something that's something that is that's not, you know, people, people,

people, mampu, chadangang- plan B, plan Z, malas. If we're looking,

if we're, because, is important. Something that is being given given a lot of it,

it's, it's already by the people, by the people who's, is debate by the

other, can be publicas can be repulcation, can be rankum. T.M.B. is, is not abjective.

In the dalamia it's, it's not, it's not, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna put it.

And, it's just being, maybe, because from the perjazzan, there's a inferiorism,

there's a matter, oh, the other we're like this, we're like that.

In other, in our own in Indonesia in this, there's been quite quality. Like, construction social, ked-dakaten

with the world. So simple, that, macegah in America. If we're, if we're not a day,

setarer with consummsy 15 batang rock. Public health, kesepian, kedatatting with the people,

cariffan local Indonesia, Yeah. Makanan, food diversities, SDM, and the smangat abansan this.

So, philosophy Tempe this, I'm, I'm looking, this can be revolution mental and the bank-kittan.

So, focus just with the quality intrinsic that we know. And, two,

Tempe is like, it's like to make, yes, something that'sererai, which

didn't be resatue, this, this one, it's just something more better better. If there's

oh yeah like Lidi like Liddi so much like this Cepo Liddi it's more more than

this is a mcelium yeah something that because TEMP is a lot like kacang Icaccaurro also

can be different being ever been being better than than that than I'm

think that many people can be able from TEMP in and TEMP this Tempe is only one

one of the other On the other side on the other than other that's like

we're going to keep people, still percue identity our that's being reset

by R&D by Nenek Moean our years ago not get and don't get

putus adaptatis with with with the technology technology technology

and we can find we can find the identity Indonesia and

optimism, I'm really good. You can't see, brand this brand this is like Apple. That's

manna, manufacture not did do not it's not it, but it's known as

brand America that. You know global? Do you envision that? Junejure, I perccia.

So, it's, so, maybe, Mimpi big this, yeah,

maybe not for Couping each people, yeah. Like, Okay, I said.

I'm going to turn. What's the thing? What you've been what you've been about? I used like to watch book biography.

So, I like, I like, I'm still. I'm going to be Mr. I'm back to talk about. Yumbung.

Nambung. I'm not. It's really. This is, this is, it's, this has been potential.

So, I'm supposed to be that. That's the person. The end up the, and

laboratory of your more to Claten to gogur like to Oxford like to where that that's Indonesianis

but it is global with capacity with the granada Africa South Japan

I'm notherasica how this how this is the amount of the smeguant with the smeguart with the social equity, even equality with how

this is associations with the down, but this just to make up the above for the

coefficient ratio more to be, this, this is the cabang is very, and this

culmination or to manifestation in one book that's a bit, not more than five-hruv. Beto. Kren, can? And ample, also, five-hruf. Yeah, manasawar about that. That's not, that's not. If that's not, the tempe.

This is, this, you? Ando. Okay. We're going to go over you, 2004-5, yeah. How do you see the future? 2005. Because if you focus to IP,

this can can be abacabang, to many derivative that moorahed and it's in percay with the perkyan with perenni-bacteri maybe not with omega,

maybe just with the other and other, but it can also can bekemanked miscellium that better, to bebeanking, much, like, for this,

gila, you're going to be chabang with, not only not just, but, but, and then, and then, much, much.

Tell it. So, yeah. So, 2045, I mean, I'm a lot of important, because

100-year Indonesia, and I'm, I remember, I, in book, Thinking Fast and slow, Daniel Kahnemann,

it, the, penent-an, the amount, so, important, so, so-p-s-

and, this, we're, we're, we're a So, it's very important momentum this.

Now, if you're in 4, I'm going to do a few what will be doing the world because this,

because it's 50 million people, in the world, we're going to give them. That's 10.

10 million population people who have we're going to get to be money. So,

this, with potency crisis eclim, every time, capacity production we're going to

per cent. Population our more than more than 1%. Yeah. Every bit more 1,000, we're more

more than capacity to give us. Now, 2004, inucus to what? Boredasurk

Pets in Food. So, I-passed food, he made study that named the long-food movement. Manalysis

three ancaman in the main in 2004, in a three trends. Trend one is Internet of Things but Internet of agricultural things. So, it's tractors and

other than other. Yeah, it's very much. It's been banged to beangackan. But there's dynamica power that's been up. As well, we know, right? Now,

Big Titans, IT, that, can, if, without perindunging regulation, it's just to with the other, with mindset, ya-ud, it's just, it's extract demand just.

This is ancaman one. Anciman two, now we talk about quality of the social media, air quality index in Jakarta. People are now, how much the good-huggested the water is

that's the other and, that's also, it's like this. So, politicization, militarization, it's been

risk. And the three is, because when, then the algorithm for interface we'll

use the use, it's very change, it's just the system pangue can be able to

make more than it's more transparent. So, now, three this that are that are

thinking how how much the way it. But, but with three the time,

there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there,

there I'm trying to puttaken 14 opportunities this, the end of the two. Protection, innovation. Protection this, from, so, that's policy that's

that's melanchoes local, then, system pajack that's legal, miscellity for the person sublacement, it's protection.

Then innovation, this is more that, more than I'm the more than I'm more than more than I'm trying the IP IP which is the most strategis.

There's also investations in sectors of sector this, so much it. So, really, two this, if I'm seeing,

yeah, so bettakesy to survive, innovation is to thrive. So, we're not we're not, we're,

de, before, we're, after we're after we're We're not to thrive, we want to, if we're not just, not maty just, not matter, want to be bough, or be a bit more, now, this is here, I look,

diggumed with the Resortesources Institute, the point of the most strategic to make this, and to embattice this is one, the man that's that's used to use. So, food waste, it's, it's, We've got to becared. Tempe Gembous, d'emps,

d'emps, taping. IP's not digali, but it's not optimisation resopus that's going to be able to be here.

This I've been being, this is a alternative dairy, right, now, out milk, soy milk, almond milk,

all have been peris, that's all can be made So, there from that. Then, disarrant can

also, for the polo for more more than I'm sure, I'm mutuskan to to America because when I

took at a chance at Harvard, um, ampire to talk serba-adannel like,

there's a ruck, it's got, it's, the protein bar for building. Dooling,

I'm doing, so, that's the, that, that's, that's,

the to because I reset bodybuilding. Wow, gila, this tangy very protein bar this, I have to belajured. Trenata, after I've been after I've been

five years in program PhD-Nia, the pola the most more than abati, sayur, buah, di-irnging the olaraga,

30-minute per day, restirate that's enough, to be-hupan-social that's-ehat. At the, in the,

the power, I'm-s-s-sai-sue. In-complex-sai. It's, and the, and the fruit, all the local,

Indonesia, it's a punition. And Tempe is a component important. So, the problem

diet, Indonesia is strategic. For that, point point next point that, in the end up,

in the termed that's, oh, the end up, the, the, it's

there, but if TEMP, that's more sustainable, why with me with me. For 245, for food equity, that's supported by long food movement this,

Indonesia has had a plowang intrinsic that's not to outsource from outside. Technology's, this, this, this is just in here. We're protecting IP, as far technology, as far reputation, and in the way of it. Technology, yeah, maybe, this is what I'm doing

work reputations this like we we're doing work from 2015 so that

tempe it's being un-unachable intangible cultural editage this

this is this we're a little bit but this one this one one-and-

because tempe just is not too too timepe to the day-

should be chanakhaned the tempi is a process that that they can't cap'n't tapet in any

anywhere, in the country man up put tempe with kacang local, people know fermentation

tempe that's technology Indonesia. Don't like one one of one one of the nonah

in Copenhagen that. I'm sure, you have who have IPing. Yeah.

For that. Yeah, so. Yeah, so, this is, this is right, and play

really, yeah. Yeah. What's your end game? Yeah. So, But it's...

The end-ugn't-of-your-your-what-to-what-to-a-pend... Yeah, pendidig. So I... Back again, I'm not. Yeah, back. Back again, because I see, for process to make-majukan-banks-in-bansi.

...has-education. But, what I try to thinker-sendar-old-old. It's a kind of... ...justice penidiccan-a-old... ...bis-a-activity the class of the education that's the most effective I'm doing the most important and in better nature, I guest lecture to here.

I'm being done seminar, this seminar online. Maybe that's the most efficient for this. In the past, I always want to be professor at university, which is more intense, I'm trying to optimist for me. But, and game-game's, in context of the pediccan, and to instipers.

I mean, I think two-two two-two-same important. Because for I, as a person who being very inspired by

Bapa. Because Bapa because because of the business, yeah, entrepreneurship, and the

other way, and the other way, I'm not must be able to, I just, I think, like it's like

that. Kake's like that, I'm going to my people, skilling my, skilling I, if when didic it

like like it's like mensupply the material I'm

lamp lamp what's what's what's lamp that's that's

yeah that I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm so I

can't turn and to manage whatever same yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah if if if if I'm

I'm I'm to have percikan new. I have a new. If I'm

really, if I'm really inspiration, process inspiration is the same- will be able to this. This is because

other people want to be doing this. I'm trying inspired to make sure my life. And,

I'm in-game my, and my game I, to make using Indonesia as far priority number one.

And if can be contribucus in a global, it's important to do you're going to to keep bach,

I like to know-nulis. I, too, I've been bursa like, mulled, mong, how much

about about in Indonesia to, more be a budhubu because I read,

I'm trying to read book, it's that's getting divergency, the

people, yeah, and divergency is important, multidimensional. Yeah, right, and look, many, the kids people are not too multidimensional.

And, so, there's no other alasan. They're not able. Yeah, can't. Just, just a book that's different. Every day, like, , every week, every month, and,

there's panang, to how we can get to make divergency, as a vocation, or a pass or nashat people.

Good, for Divergency, yeah. If I'm not really reading book and menulis book, to, you're juster. It's, it, it's a lot of biannankan. I mean, I think, from, from heart, yeah. If, if,

anjing, to, try, menavisie superlugasue through the world, it's, to do it to do to do it.

What is what trigger our, we know, we need, because it, because there, from all the media, It's, it's, there.

Now, if you were the mentor, I was the book Psychology and Booku Self-Help. Because, after I'm going to be, yeah, oh, can't see, I'm not know, I'm going to know, like, even, you know, even when you're doing it, it's more, you know, to do you,

like, so, you know, but, but every person, but, but, I think, but, I'm going to be able to work, that, you know, oh, baca this, not be able to beres, it's, not it's just maybe we're

maybe that's not not much people who are not many people JNZ and strews

you mampu to make up to make up searching because because they're tregebock

or terble routine to put in TikTok on Instagram to 10 time a day

that's a day that's that I think that's It's very many times I'm going to say, since 2009, since it's not even if it's not the tumbled like, and share, with retweet,

that's canker, from the sysse that's made-sau, which makes retinitis, even virality that's not minging with how we can create divergency in the what do you think? What do you think?

It's a problem social searching, yeah. For me, there's some of the problem in the kind of thing, and there's many things that are that I'm thinking, as aandaynighing, set up in my life, when I'm going to be born,

I'd be born in this, I can't be able to make, yeah, born in Indonesia, suckan this, this, hobby, this, the, chita, the first thing.

If all this, there's what? That's what? Now, I'm in order to be. I'm from little, I hobby, I mean, puzzle power ranger,

puzzle, power ranger, like, puzzle, power. And, it's all right there. So, trigger, my time,

was the trigger S-1, I'm critis all this something. Why, why, why, there's not, there's no,

there's no, there's, there, care, Why, why, why, why, why do you know, from here? From here, I'm trying,

okay, I'm like, every day I'm sorry, I'm, my, the hand I'm my, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, so, I'm gonna, every day I'm gonna,

every day, I'm, my name, the kind of, but, contribution my, before I'm gonna' back.

In-suit, there, I, there, I'm, can't be able to do, I'm gonna be what, yeah? Getemullah

in Google, that, there diagram Ikigai, philosophy Japan, what what we're what expertise what's the

world is what we need to work, this exercise this, shhru-r-r-sit, behubunked with mehubbunking

titic, that, it was there kind of that's-sendire that, and in-situ I'm not

there's a think, I'm saying when I'm when I'm-Sem-M-A all-same so, so,

I'm-trap-an-a-Las-Las-an- I'm trying to. I'm going to embut signals this. So, every person not have to

think of people, but I'm not I'm not sure I'm good, when we're doing when we're

getting, yeah, I'm sorry, I, I'm going to get to put a pen pen to,

because the end of I'm going to use this. Yeah, ampun, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, the Bapatat, the Pankan, Indonesia,

to Yeah, pukes my my own-upraiser I'm going to operate to the end up again. And, turn-inathe my case, did

end up, and, and, and, the end-outa-shaeatheed to be able to this day. Reordained. Yeah. It's just, it's being, the podcast and game day

this the end up the time line there's time line. And I mean I think

life that life it's good, and soul searching that's not something that's

something that must beaqq but it's best that but that we're going to get to be because it

was a revolution because it very commuaskan to the tune of my life to the

future. You know you're using kata puzzle. This if you want to use the illustration that's been used by Gladwell, Malcolm Gladwell.

He's made up to puzzle with mystery. If I was like to look puzzle. If puzzle, the information is we're not. We're trying to find information.

But just true, if I look generation that's more than more than mystery, mystery. If mystery, information

is there, but they're not able to make sure that you're not that you're saying, the soul searching

that's still still done. It's but all there's there's there.

Yeah, right? So, yeah, if there's too much information. We can't

get used to make powering information that there to make sure to make

what what's what the right, and this has been

in the democratization information that's more than 10, 20, 30, 40, 40, 40, 10, 40, 40, 10, 40, 40, 10. but they're like, being wrong, that's,

that's, that's been able to be about, to make out of idea. That's what I always say, paradox, between democratization

information, dimb, democratisation idea. Yeah, right? Yeah. It's very, can? It's very. So, how we can

move from paradigm mystery into paradigm puzzle? If puzzle, to, if we're, to, keep in-n-n-n-n-cary-in-formation, that's not-a-to-bel-get-tow-ed.

If I'm just thinking, maybe, sometimes we don't always can't even know information. But what's important is, the way to conversy,

what we've got to know for this while we're even we're even if we're even if we're not, we're

think, the first of different, the thing is very important, the factor karen is factor that's important.

In the Dunea Pempe too, I'm trying to make Mue TEMPE Keren. If you're not it, they're

not going to be lyrik so. So, the definition Kren is important. And I'm

because in my life one of one of the definition krennna is, if we

product productivity in art work. Not only about the work, but it's

it, but malhering karek. Now, this is in bountcum my output my output

my, should be better than from my input I. I'm learn like this I'm trying

so I'm process, so I'm more like, I'm okay, because the last time that's right, the

result of the laptop this it's more than value laptop this. Okay,

I'm going to go, want to be going to be going to be input and output and output that,

and if you think that really, I mean, I'm really I'm sure, I think, it's really

so, it's really revolution mentalitas I'm, I'm, this, this,

this, this is, this long as time when you can't when you're

going to make the countering because, that's the catch word.

And if want to talk productivity, what you're doing to the key of the importance of our capacity

to make up productivity. Ibarate it's like if we're saying if we can't five bagu in a

day, and we can get 25 bachu in one hour, productivity our productivity to make

400% that. It's can protect our our own inflation, resetsy, de-globalization,

polarization, apopunned. Inflation will go to 90% but if productivity 9, 400% we're protected. And if this,

I'm bunkus in the per bandingan Indonesia, productivity is $24,000 per-one per-one. Singapore,

$170,000 per-of-a-one. How much for, to to be able to 50, 150, 150, $170,000.

Yeah, maybe with with eating tempe. So, so, protein we're getting

increased. So, the decerdasan we're making and the capacity to

think, to be think, to be mouarra this may be able to beelier that

multidimensional. That, that, would be will be will be it, with the PNICATES, right?

Yeah. I see data BAPENAS, target GDP in the 2045, it has to be four-cally-lipat. Yeah. Now, we've been about 2024,

it's about 23 years from now. That can be the energy the most productive, it's already generation that's new, that's now is born,

that's been to be it's important to make sure from the generation from this as cerdas possible. And this

is it be connected with gizi stunting. One of one one of the most of the effect from stanting is cognitive. And,

statistics this is about 38% children in Indonesia that stenting. With population Indonesia

that's around 270 jute, this, population the kids of Indonesia, is, it's more

less per three. Now, one of three from three this stunting mirabing with, like,

bygank, Jakarta. So, this many of people, everyone, all of them, all of them.

It's stunting all, two, more, that, that's, that's stinting in Indonesia. And effect

that's the generation Lalu, is there has been generation now. And,

Right. That's right. Which is, about 54% the power that's working that's stunting. So,

sometimes, if in some sector, in several people, where, like, we're in a

waitress, like, it's not it's not it, person what, that can be effect stunting.

Now, the time if it's not the if it's about productivity. Now,

And, but it's and there's there's a time in the one of the potential the stardassan

our time too, that's, it's been to this one day this is, did happen with the

right or not. When the the perlacu or not, it's ususue or

not, impae asi ase, as it's pretty what. Now, T.M. Pluangue,

the money, to be making making to get-gown, and to and the health and

decadassan with a way of the way of the way, and I'm think it, this component

important. So, okay, like, for the way to work, work more smart, not just hard,

get to, work, work on, more than one time, that's important, that's important.

But, potensy per person, it has been to be able to be sure that's possible

and that that's the most I'm the I was I was I was to beckon- because of TMPAC. Wow. This is the last, this.

This is, if we look, this, prospect for TMP is to be per-perman, to run emissy carbon. This is tangible, and we look at PPM, particles per molecule

in 20, 30, time, Dashaat so from 280 to 420-a-. Yeah, it's like how it's how it's how it. I'm more optimistic. If we're really, really, we'll have, narrative,

in a massive, yeah. And I'm looking, it's like it's more doable from than just about about the problem of climate. Because it's the endala in narration of the world of climate So, so-cantic,

that's the kindlanty is, it's a lot of political ownership taking. Yeah, right? If we can't, if we can't look politicians

like they're not themmahmy or, it's not them'll be able, and we're always very be able to

get in the narration muda to more than this. Sucur-sure, they want, to put into political view.

for you can live on a agenda that's more than can't even show you're doing it's tangible very much. Not just there political ownership taking if hillyernered, this is already perkia and people have been looking at, eh, emmuck, this, it's, it, ruff,

bonus is, the linguongan will be more, or more than, more than, more than, this is more game-chaming. Maybe. Like it's more hope in here. That's the

that I want I want to hear of people don't make emissy carbon. It's hard. If he's like to make

Ferrari, yeah, he will buy Ferrari. And, the possibility Ferrari want to make

mobile electric. It's very so, right. And the after I'm overal

that I'm more more than technology than policy. Because policy

is correlation with political. And, the ownership taking in politics, it's not for the importance of improvement in effect. Yeah, we have to be more to be able to be exponentiality in innovation technology.

And you're not the right characterization. I always think, wow, I'm not like to be able to layer, if I'm going to landscape technology global. But I'm just that. From, I've got a book, abundance, reset. Why, why, we can't angered because of the

because of the same-technology, the same technology, the technology, we've seen. The COVID, we've got, the glomang, part, the part of the time, now, more than, technology, and, I think,

technology is the key-in-na. But I also, I think, the thing to gumbung-kind of technology in the context of Harapan. Maybe the makedness what I'm...

Mentalt Tempe. But, but, I'm trying Makan because I'm trying to communicate. I'm

trying to make curation in different different different places. In Indonesia, the Kota New York, in America,

in the Kota London, in the UK, then in India, in Mumbai. Harapan this,

people can't and it's there. And solusiness are in the and I'm looking at this, and I'm looking, TEMPE is, because of discussion

technology and harapan, I'm just thinking if TEMPE is that technology, not just a technology, you're a technologist. I'm looking at you as a technologist. Not a food specialist, not a soup food scientist. And this is, no, prospect

to, to build brand equity for the for the people and the not can underestimate

if done right, yeah. But if if I'm thought I'm for sure the efficiency

to take to the focus to IPing and because non-IP the upke

yeah, right right uncertainty is more more than capex and it's

capec and I'm, I've got, kind of I've got to be there. I'm not really Zona Naman I'm gonna but I'm gonna

stay there Yeah, just like scale out IP yeah Yeah There's again Pussan-Pan

last, Mandu? Yeah, I mean, I mean, maybe, if I'm gonna for the

Pimersa endgame this, I want to for optimis, optimistic

is that is of other the other life that and that's we're okay,

either realistic or pessimist. But, optimism is un-nular, and if not that's that it's

that's it's it's to do it so it's so it to be being,

to be behind with the media, media, It's something that's something that's the thing that's something that's

trying to bring that's not great, this is something and I'm going to ask everyone who know, the other things like Tempe.

There's a, some, there's a lot of, let's go, there, some, there who's the time, there who end up technology,

partanian, this, model business, this, algorithm baru, who, who are people not know

with philosophy Indonesia, who's who's humbunked titic, our each let's go we're going together

with different different can't sometimes but that but that we're

too, and because we're we're going on the genetka, genetlai, and it's

better than it's So, it's really, I want to wrangul, like fermentation tempe merangul, bee-jigia, for together, like that. Unsolved. Yeah.

Gila. One and a half-hour-mongued T-Pek. This is... ...enaric again. Thank you very. Thank you. So, one of the co-harmatant.

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