Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Amando Lasabuda: Solusi Iklim Tertimbun di Bawah Kaki Kita?

Episode Date: May 16, 2023

Pada bulan Apri 2023 lalu, European Space Agency (ESA) mengeluarkan sebuah artikel bertajuk “Revealing invisible Himalaya glacier loss.” ESA mengulas hasil studi yang mengungkapkan bahwa pencairan gletser di Himalaya, sebagai salah satu akibat dari perubahan iklim, ternyata jauh lebih parah daripada yang selama ini diprediksikan. Penaksiran yang lebih rendah daripada fenomena yang sebenarnya terjadi (disebut ‘underestimation’) dalam pemodelan perubahan iklim dan dampak ikutannya menyimpan ancaman tersembunyi bagi masa depan kehidupan. Jika target iklim yang kita punya sejak Kesepakatan Paris masih jauh dari kata tercapai, bagaimana jadinya bila proyeksi perubahan iklim yang dijadikan acuan ternyata meleset dan kita telah terlambat untuk berbenah diri? Sehingga, kualitas data yang digunakan untuk pemodelan iklim memegang peranan fundamental dalam menghasilkan proyeksi perubahan iklim yang lebih representatif dan akurat—sebab ”garbage in, garbage out.” Amando Lasabuda, geolog Indonesia yang berkiprah di UiT The Arctic University of Norway, berusaha untuk menjawab tantangan tersebut melalui penelitian paleogeografi yang berhasil memenangkan hibah 4,2 triliun rupiah dari Marie Skłodowska-Curie Global Postdoc Fellowship 2023. Dalam percakapan ini, Amando menerangkan signifikansi temuannya kelak bagi studi perubahan iklim. “Tanpa adanya paleogeografi yang kredibel, maka model iklim masa depan pun akan penuh dengan ketidakpastian,” jelasnya. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #PerubahanIklim ------------------------ Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: [e-mail] https://admissions.sgpp.ac.id https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: Wandering Scientists The Take International Guests Kunjungi dan subscribe: SGPP Indonesia Visinema Pictures

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I'm sure. People are in other countries will be able to be able to beckxed to be a bit of the country. I'm not too much. I think, I'm going to beaer more than the country. It's good.

So, it's. So, it's, is important to be to be able to be because in the future we're in the future and that's there's input

that if there's if there's if there's reliable, we're not we can't model can't implement the next that's bad modeling can't

not can't say because input the inputing that's not too is more detailed or more good. This is the endgame. Hello, Tumann,

today we're in here we're talking Amando Lassabuda who are a researcher or scholar in Uythik University of Norway. Mando, thank you very

because, thank you very, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, about the about the latter

blackanganganda. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, my, first from three

I'm from the other. I'm from the family I'm used to be able to. I'm my mom's say that mom's not ganti hordey, not ganti sofa,

sopac you're supposed I'm thinking oh, this is a lot, this is the one of my family, and I guess. And my dad's, I'm from the

the other than the other than before I'm out of the SD because of the same because of the same. My dad from where? Aya, from Mane. Aya in Sulawesi, Sulawesi, Uttar.

Ibu, there are Batak, but in Jakarta. So, from the story, before Pamit to Norway, I met with my dad, I said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said,

He mustik, he mustik, he mustik, that's good, that's from there, there's also, I think, I think, I'm getting from the world of my own, not in the form of material, but in a form of trust. From, from the little, I'd be cast, I'm a trust, forcian. Uh,

When I was D. To Australia to learn to beaure BASA English, to give them to be able to beaugh. Then, then, per die from there. No, no, no, ever so, no, ever, when I'm saying. When I'm, um, yeah, uh,

Nek-Kos, long in the ESA BANDU, so. So, I'd lose SMP, Langell, it's just, you can't quite like that's on the that's about the the United States of the it's the same. It's not. Abbas to go to Mastiqueb, al-B all-bul-ul-ul-illah

think-two, I've been given, with the people, to send, to Houston, to Texas to include conference. I even know, actually, what, conference, like, presentationing-y-you-hmm,

also, like the more than the more than I'm like that. But they're saying, you know, that's just, you know, I'm going to hear you presentation, what, I'm going to be a student volunteer, like, kind of idea just to be exposed to how, the, a, a, a, a, out of the country, that's, you know, to be conference. So, that's what I'm really,

really, that's what I'm trying to trust, to be able to, to, can survive. and trust this is that I'm by-bye-being responsibility so I'm I'm sure that's I give up good if I'm

so I'm pastically my dad's-lawful-me-lawful to give me to trust and shuckers-sukor, al-Malah to be T. And from ITB, I'm sorry, I'm delus, then I'm going to...

Why is the geophysics? Geophysics, this is because actually the background of oil and gas. Okay. Gess. There's titipan? No, no. They're who show this way,

because they're background that, this kind of, this, this, I thinkness, LFTM, Faculty, Technology, permutankan, partamangang. There's other than, in Technique, Physica, I've been many questions,

also, like, good because, what's the way carapal, with accusation data lapangangans, then, and then will look at outcrop many. And I think,

wow, this is much traveling, I'm just, I'm like, I'm going to see, and I'm going to. So, I'm going to. So, I'm going to

gology, while even, yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, maybe, big, Kemi-Mahue, yeah, in Norway.

In Norway, S-2, the University of Bergen, S-Sysk, atre University of Norway, atromsok. It's not, in the places where, three?

Dool-D-Wan, Rathes, because, I'm not, not, not, not, from the school

money-gratis. Living-cost, has been payer. At the living-cost, it, can, actually,

it's got to it's got to what, we're like what, we're just, kind of, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, just I'm just, I think that's that's right now. It's been from the UNAGESA. So, I'm going to be able to S2.

After, after, then, did the U.S.S.2, I mean, did work in MIGAS in Norway. There's a... There's a small, rock source in Bergen. That's long as a year. It was from intern,

it was as a intern, three-bun, then they look with the care of my I was there's already that's like to work, the way of the time 2015, it's been crash

right, by the price. I'm going to be released and it's all right, that's all right, four months in Indonesia, try, car,

to try, S-3, al-hmulah, God, and get-in-a-Rabia, and kept in service oil company from Jakarta,

and get-trimed in Norway this. And, and because the because of Norway-you, just again, you know, just again,

not, with Norway. Aftering S-3 in Tromso, that's not, but from never heard, I've heard,

and I'm going to googling, who, two-jam from the plane to be because, just because

I'm not, I'm sure, the rest of there, maybe, yeah, it's, I'm going to

get to the U. When that, start of 2015, then, then lus, 2018, So three years, I was three

And I'm from from a new year ago, that's called. So, right. Yeah, first-gen, like, the shillan, first-generation PhD. There's niline, gays, from the idea, or Ibu? That's, that's been given to,

for menuking curiosity. And if they, or they make a belief of the opinion, to you've given to you've given to you. What's the question? I think it's the style of the yeah, I'm just, but I'm just to keep in monitor in telephoon or in what, and I'm also

and I'm also make uphergay to percian that. And there value, again, that you're probably able, you know, just to be sure, just I'm just, I'm going to, and that's just to be able. And that's, I'm application can't as 3 I'll use S3, then I'll continue post up at UIT that we're

offering, this is a project about numerical modeling. Can't? I'm at the mentaling, can, I'm sure, I'm going to learn just, can. And, yeah,

yeah, can beplacary then, actually, you know, then, then. And then, tell us a little,

yeah, about what what's what you're about this is kind of if you're not alien sedimentology yeah can tell you

yeah this is in geology sedimentology that the old because it's because evolution the way

evolutioning that's so for to find reservoir oil and gas and all much now now

now now I'm more I'm more to regional geology that's tectonic all that, like numerical modeling. And this also, that's the way of course. Yes,

thank you, ma'aricuree. That's right. Thank you. That's. That's, uh, menang Marie Curie, this is also in geology, uh, to model-in-biology, uh, biology, masaumphal, that's, that's, how, um, so yeah, um, um, um, um, the problemalant, um, the climate-in-neclims can be used for the commodelan, the climate of the idea. idea that.

Okay, maybe we can't come to the problem of climate that's as as a gampangamap, we're taking the conclusion

from alteration diogenetic that, the contribution manusia to have

rubyclim, than the world of the abandah the human, that's how much each and each. It's the way that the person is very important in

contribution of the commasance global this, and it must be sure everyone, everyone, it's, to,

to, to bring up emissions, and from a lot of, and from, and from, and from, also has contributed.

If we're from from biology, we're also learning how events, event of mass lampau, it's, how much respond Bumi to have happened

global. Inchara technical a little, there's a lot of PETM, Valiosin, EOSin, thermal maximum,

that's, around 56, years ago, the, the, Bumee, it's, more,

5-8-gat-Celsus. That, That's researcher, too, I'm more than let's see, the event that. So, really, like, how much, the world of the same

geology how, geology, how much, from diversity, all that's being able to be learning. At some point,

we're really back to we're going to we're going to this event that before had done. That's,

that's like being be coming, research. But, but 5-60 years ago, that can contribute to be

more than the from the human's right? Now, if we can, if we can, what we can't, what's about, there's one here, there's here,

yeah. Here, that's that's that's that's that can can't

but but what is here, manusia, not just too too rubebett because this majority of

1,600 gigatons carbon, that atmosphere this isbucked by the atmosphere this is about the human so. Yeah, okay.

This, I only want to say, I'm going to reconciliation the two pananguant to be. If you're from, we're going to be sure time, right, right. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it's. But, it's, but, but, but,

but, but, but, but, graphic, what, namans of global that's that's that's been like that's really, you know, that's contribution, yeah, that has been able to, we're having, but

the power of manusia, can, maybe, maybe, maybe, several thousand years, yeah, industrialization that's the most men-lucked to the last,

and, two-hundred-tacker, yeah, okay, like, we can ...an industrialists that's active, for the last, right? But before 200 years last, that industrialization

dampak peradap to the environment, too. I'm going to be too much, right? Yeah. Is it true, dampak to the environment and in fact that's been

200 years ago. That's more from the same along, that's the way. Yeah, if we're goulding-in'-wit-in-law-a-gag-dik-a-d-d-dik-a-dug-dik-i-a-a-cub- here's what we're about repot-report because of the abut because of the this isabot-as-isabot, not human-law. This is a point-in-lawing. I'm not-ta-a-lawed.

I'm not-ta-a-there-a-cubing, there's some from what I'm from here, you're going to, that. If you're going to, if you're talking, the time-tectonics, I'm the same a drift pectonic right? Yeah, that's the mechanism, that's, right now, but if you're still gonna be it's gonna be able to the timescale, so

so it's not, so I'm not too not too much, I'm not too much, the idea the idea, the idea. No, I see, I think, is because this isbaped by manucia, yeah, I only amympay, because, why there's still there, people who

people who are there's a little that's embanked by manuasion but more than be given over the amount. Maybe we're more education through programs like NGME this. There's been much message that

to be given to other. In fact, what? And, what do you know, realism to create the ...incapain carbon neutrality in 2050. In Indonesia or in the world?

In the universe, wow. In the universe, it's not going to be it's going to beaerasana, because I'm based on Norway 12 years, so I'm being much becaged in Norway, how they're planning to make up to target that. And they're 2050, they're going to be in 2030, We have carbon-neutral, EV-o-o-o-to-one-a-1-5-1-d3-5 what-n-namarant, it's already electric now.

And, yeah, really, they're not much of the energy, we're going to be able to be able. Renewable, that's true, hydro and energy. 30% electricity from hydro, oil and gas, export, And then the the other than $1. the oil fund is the $1.4 trillion dollars.

That's when I'm going to be able to be it. That's if you're going to pay upang $400 million, Norway can't payer with with, bare, three countries to Indonesia, it's all right? More than PDB in Indonesia, India, yeah.

Yeah, right? But that's It's notary that's Norway that's called Proproduction But he They're made sure They're

They're menjewal Alleroyal People's Other people But they're They're It's important Influxin'

For the Pets 1.2 1,000 beryl per per day, is the same in the 90s when we're like Jaya Jaze-Jay-Nay-Nak. That's more.

But, but... But, but... Norway, we know that we have resource line, the fossil, which, that's hydropower,

and that must be in Indonesia also do it's, what we're using. I look at, geothermal, this actually, it's just because it's ring of fire

Taduction zone from the Ujumatra Sampi Gawah, it's all it must be genjut that's just about about 20 years. We'll, we'll send us out of our country,

we're using, from renewables. You've got longed in Norway. In front you, what's what has made that's been in Norway to Norway, you have a lot of respect this, this can

need to beerlucked Nurate's evening that He's like that He's a producer fossil that because he brandy

to make a decision to puttussan to not to buildigate fossil just to

make some that's much and ramahlingum that is, that is

in the budaa their or in the DNA of their or whatever

What's what? What's what? What's the worded? Norwegie, it's just five million people, paris. So, depending 200, how much, today, Indonesia. So, maybe it can't be more than five million people. And they're always rational, I think. As long as I think. As long as I was a person, they're not practical and rational. So, if there are there that It's just because of the same. If you're going to say, in Indonesia, yeah.

So, it's very practical. So if it's the best-being, yeah, all the workmen are, you know, with climate neutral, target, and be supported

with the country. Now, so, so, for Norway in fact, neutrality in 2013, is,

is a thing very realistic. But, that's almost for the world. Not too realistic. I want to make up a paradox where,

if I'm peratir, people who have been bergumoring narrations sustainability, that's not majority of

population in the planet to minority. And maybe they need to be macklingerati one other which is the which is the

which is the planet which is the matter of the one of the same being the mainpank to find food. That's what I often I say

narracy modernization. How can't make them can make them modernization? And, and,

to be sure, for everyone can be the narration sustainability, he, or or a country,

has to be able to beaiccure modern. Right. Now, this is I look, modernization for the other and the world of the same, with capacity

build per-tawn per-tawn in Indonesia 3,000 megawatt. India, 14,000 megawatt per year. It's moucunuching a long

for the country that's very for the world that's like like India and Indonesia to be moderned. If you're making the kind of, modernization, it's maybe

related with electrification as big,000 kilowatt-hour per-oran. Now, India and Indonesia is just more than 1,000 kilowatt-hour per-per-person.

To make from 1,000-kilwatt-hour to 5,000, it's 93 years, and then again, and that's 203 years, this is 207 years, that's the time. This is not easy to reconsidering the two narrations. Aged jave. It's really.

If it's about developing country, with that it's been to make sure, ketchuping the other, I don't know how many years ago, I thought about it was about to 10 years I think that's 10.20, but I'm going to get up to 50. Wow, I'm going to be more than pessimistic. Yeah. Indonesia,

each time, only can't even make up to 1,000 megawatt, or less. Yeah, can't be, we're going to be, we're not going to be. Now, to make electrification from 1,000 kilowatt-hour per-of-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-lis-m.

That's the rule of time-n-mnil-6-1-6-1. Yeah, we're on. We have to work. We have to work, we're going, five-cali-lipat. From 70-skian-gwatt to 350,000 megawatt, we'll hitonging. Knaecaner can't 280,000 megawatt.

Yeah, divide three, yeah, more than 90-year. Wow. Well, that, well, man. Well, I mean,

I'm like PR. So, for practice, or anyone to be able to reconciliation two narrations two narrations.

Norway, not putture. Because, because America, Europe, the U.S. in the U.T.

not really because they, population, the population is small and the mapanamity too.

How, Amandah? They're, they, they, not-cautriquitasker. Now, in Norway, he's like to make sure wind turbines swimming farm, so. So, research

reset frontier is, now, like, moving the wind turbine to to go to area offshore. And that's challenging because Norway, Norway, dutup with Ice Age, 20,000 years ago, that. That's, to... I'ma'amariari that's actually in the program mariqui, I'm actually, I'm going to be able to be curie, pa.

The first is in Germany, and the other than in Norway, and the other than in Norway. Now, the German and by the Norway, this, I'm going to beaugh about, how, the, structure foundation from the wind turbine that, in offshore Norway.

That's also got to, that proposal that's different, topic research is better, and al-blah, blah, d'all get to bea-married. I'm going to beaming to make two. The other two of the other than I'm going to get to the other than the first of the only time, that's not long,

I've got to get an appointment in Australia. When I said I've got a problem that in German, I said, to say, how do you want to be able, or, what, nancy, or what? Then I'd ask, can, how, I'm going to do you, the other

in Australia this. I've got to be able to do you know, I'm not know what do you know what? Proposal. That's just a day, yeah, you know, it's got to be it. But justro, I think, even we're exploring the unknown,

right? Justro, juster, there, I'm not getting, well-loss, that's high-gain, but it's,

it's, so, I'm la-daped. So, yeah, so I, I'll be in Australia. Yeah, next September this I'm going to Australia. What's the study in Australia? That researches in Arctic, in Berensi,

so I'm modelled-gen, so I'm modelled-combeau, that's the way to be it's about, and sediment transport also in Arctic. So, so the contribution, the impact of climate change, too, that. Tried to be able to be able to be it. In the data, in the data, I'm going to the data seismic, data below-permuccaan, with data, data sumur,

paleranaboran tapas-pantay, and there's data that will be combinacification. Nanty, I'll be given as input numerical modeling my, to model-to-mobarance in Arctic, there. Emmang, I'm, I'm resetted in the Arctic. some of a couple of the small bar. if you've ever heard of the pool of polar bear in spalbard. So, so if you're all right, so many of the field

geology, must be brought rifle, because we're a big of a bit more. What, the name is, the penitance coring geology, that's description. Nanty, we'll look, look, look. It's not, I'll have to look at it. five. Three I've got in there's also.

Wow, that's true too. We know. Naipal, too, to be in-dating 80% 80% so much. So how do? We're always summer,

so, so, so. So, so. So, so. Maybe 2, 3, yeah, in below 5.

This, this, the, hypothesis your related regarding the article on the Arctic

Arctic Mercury that's I'm not too I'm going to make you make sure I'm making what name this

but this is it's not if it's when they're being able to beperin to be able to

deceleration the speed to urbaniclim whatever But but byproducts, with the bi-products this, because you can also can't beaweathering

exploration that can be done for fossil too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How? So, Artic is, it's important to be explore,

to model-k, because in the future, we're, trend modeling. And it's there's input that reliable from the paleogeography, geologian, how because, can circularses along, from from the flow hathrowne, or other than

Gulfstream, whatever, water circulation. Now, that, if there, if there, paleogeography, that's reliable, we're not even not we can model can't make a claim the same. Modelsen the modeling can't not quite inputing that's not too

good. Now, the reason is I want input the first that's good, which is really comprehensive so that we can model can come down to the amount to the

global this. How do you think the impact on the impact on the global? It can be more or not as farra as as far as

it's not as far as before. Before I'm in English, I'm in a year, it's, it's been a heatwave, 40 degrees Wow. The real feel more

more than, it's really, really, it's really the room lab computer, d'bukes, the windowed,

oh, it's, eboh, so it's, really, real, if it's really, And if it's going to go right So, if we're going to act now.

There's a lot of thing. If I see, I'm going to be able to look at, if we're looking at Greta Thunberg. Yeah, he followers in Instagram to probably 20-and-juta. But if I look Kylie Jenner, followers, followers, the more than 300 and one, one, one, pro-posil.

Now, that's not just to come, can, in a way of human's way of the world, as a certain way. If we're, if we're really, want pro-environment and stuff, why not, just to the can't, yeah, can't,

why not, like weilin'y in the room. But the gai of the human's soot-soilid, to germane-can our aspirations to get our aspirations to get neutrality. Yeah, right? That's it.

Now, this is maybe, with, with, it's not education. Yeah, right? And, capacity the other than the other thanapyga,

to make sure that's the other than modernization. Yeah, right, it's like, if I'm more than I'm doing withing, I'm going to think, sustainability. Yeah, right? But, if I'm noton, Instagram's Kali Jenner, it's more entertaining

than than the Instagram of the Gretta Thunberg, even though, while this narrations is very well-lawful-lawful-lawful-lawful-lawful-lawful, you know, to think about, how, to be the same thing to be in-due-upon-a-lawed-a-lawed-a-law.

It's right, right, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In other-lac-lac-lac-a-laping about, how to live-a-d-d-d-hurt.

Right, I'd like, . . Right, I'm in Europe, that's, that's the last year-a-oh-old-old-old. Yeah, it's about it, ability, like many of the abate the 22 and thenpacuble,

then to the other than in the world, abate to 18. Yeah, right, can, this is the reconsiliation. That's what I'm agen yes, I've been,

many people, people are, people who, people are not, enough, but, if it's been able to hearty neuraspora in the world

country, really, think in Indonesia, the land of, we're going to get to be able to get rid of facilities,

how, like, or a newfound in Indonesia, it's more than other, that's like, like, much, like, with the other, like, like, you know. You're one of

biologous that's very, in international, from Indonesia, and how, how about about the

of the number of English of the up large of literature in Indonesia, the time of technology inundahia in Indonesia well, I mean, round the住nation

if you're taking down China, India, Pakistan, oh, if I'm going to Norway just how much more than there's better than people. They're riding down to be. they're they're better like they're pedi-p-d-a-d-a-a-a-a-a-pd.

Yeah, but, although, if they're in the way of Indonesia, jagu-jago, heabat-hebate. Yeah. And, while, the people who are people who are people who are in

Kyi, so, but. So, it's, had been S-2 in Indonesia, then they've gottar S-2

again in Norway. And, when they're not, the chance to be taken, more than they're more than that's they're going to be it's up to be able to again, demy, because

you're making more people. People in the world's, I think, I'm going to be able to make sure believe, I'm not too believe with brain drain, so I think, I'm more than the way, it's good, it's good, good. Because we're going to be, brain, brain, maybe, I'm going to talk in short-term effect, but if we can we can't we can't look at some point,

yeah, but for the timeasantly, 20, 30, 30 years later, until, kere kirae, kreakera still in the world, they're going to come back to Indonesia. And that, of course, will be able to do that. As a society, yeah. If you're, if they're going to go to where, I'm going to say, I've got to talk about the concept

brain drain. He, that, musul can, for that, to be able. To be the concept brain circulation, or brain linkage. Yeah, right? Yeah, right, that's the concept that I'm not

sampeighted. It's putar, right? If brain this here to here, yeah, yeah, he's not even back here. But it's here, it's more big, that. And, and after 10, 20, 20,

time, yeah, brain that's can be more than to make a little bit for the beginning and that, yeah, it's just like this, and it's been to bea with,

not just Pakistan, and, even, Yonk, long and I'm going to be in Norway 2011, that still before many, masispo,

out of the New York, yeah, at that. I have been a lot of, I have to make sure, so, professors from there ,

and if some point there who, there's, if there's, oh, yeah, there's, there's,

there's, there's, if, if, China, India, yeah, you, oh, this,

okay, this, or, yeah, But but but but but I'm really, I think that's been able to make image that good.

I think that's also the people in the esporate of the world and there's going to be able to get some kind of people.

You've got to people who are people who are Indonesia. I'm always I'm trying, I'm trying to bring them

the better back. But, but again, back to take the observation to make up to make up

science. Thank you, shubleau. Thenes, then literature, then in technology, yeah, in the Bidangue

in other, yeah, right? Pumain in here, in Indonesia, that, I don't know

how much, the perception is, it's just, manhue to the people, from Australia,

Lampah, that, how to, to change? It's, I'm not calais with geologists from the world from the world of the country, jagu, jagu, too, people in Indonesia.

But what's the current, the data geologian, openness to the data, that's who, who's who's who still more. If in Norway, because I, like, from Norway, base-ne, their philosophy is more people look at data, then, then, becomes more good. So, they're open-access, just. that order data

like order pizza, and then after that, after that's it, then they'll get you, and then they'll be able to work, it's really good to be able to. And that, in order to be sure sure that if it's,

if it's more than we can't be able to. You know, kind of, sometimes, I'm not sure I keep, the, more I'm going to, I know,

maybe, that's that's more, the power to eliminate to. The truth. So, It's more than that's up. It's right.

I'm actually from the time of the world in Norway. And one other, the key is, it's important, very. Bantuan, right. Norway,

before era energy transition rame, this orientation is oil and gas. And they're going to explore to, the more than the Arctic, the area Arctic. So,

from North Sea, to Berensi, area Arctic, it's, to make research center, name's archaques. I'm the first from the center that that's a national

initiative. There industry, academia, government also in the same, really, really coryok, that's like, gotong royong,

to, how we're exploring Arctic with the sustainable, the climate-friendly, the environment-friendly, because, because of the same, from the mammals' climateing

and it's not a lot more than challenge in Indonesia. We're kind of to come to Indonesia-timur, and this is exploration in the barat for fossils. Now, it must be there also, yeah, maybe there, but, but, I'm not gertil.

There's, it's, it's, there, too, to make one smagat that same, that, we're rockog barren and to be of different aspects, and stakeholders And then there is, and research, data we've given, we're trying,

can't even, we're looking to find, the new oil field in the lake in the Gulf of the Middle East, the more Indonesia. That's, in the pastime, Norway, I'm also,

we're making white paper, or paper, that's, so, so, there's a lot of, there's a person, there's geoscience, partisi,

paper, one's I've written about collaboration that that's more that's more than the first of my name, advisor,

one of the first one, the ex-KKKMegas Norway, director he's, he's, PhD, chip geologists also,

so, one, what, um, go, that, and, that's,

I'm going to, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, more-bias. Wow, wow,

really, beneless that's coming. Wow. If you're going to go back with people in New, yeah, maybe no, no,

to be in the other, that's right. That's right. To-sue. To be more more, the world, and,

the end of the country, like, Indonesia, with the population that's not small, 180,

jute. Scalal, that's important, right? Yeah, right. I'm ginkiri that in Indonesia,

there's a lot of people. But, in India, too, more than more. In China, it's more more. How much, so, there's a-rebuhran?

In New York. I, I, I, had to talk with a friend in English. It's, in English, there's only 3,000

people, but there 200,000 people. India, I, I know, maybe, 100, 150.

that's in the whole campus that's more more than maybe in America there's 450,000 people, there maybe 200,000

people, India, just 8,500 people, people, Indonesia. If we're we're just brain circulation,

or brain linkage, not brain rank, they they pursue science that's quite tachy in the timepacic in the places,

or in America or maybe in in Hongk or in Japan or in Australia or in Norway or anything we have to have a cuterbucka in a way

in a way and mental is important so really how much, that's about, that's about in the world quite, so.

not quite, but I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be able to. In the instant, there's, yeah, to be in Norway, and, it should, it's more, because,

when, in the time, the, studio, that can, it can't, yeah, yeah,

so, then, if there's, there can be, there can be, maybe, this, the,

mental is, Indonesia. Yeah, yeah, mental survival. Yeah, that's better than and more than people more than people more than people

to be more than when I was going to during this many people what name, media, and from where where I said

I want, I'm from the campus too, I said so I'm from ITB, I said, they said, they said, if they're going to

I'm, you to be a lot of the the impact of the way, you know, that's been talking about me. In the PPI, also, some of the PPI,

PPI, I'm hajukan to, I'm going to, collaboration, this is, this is the part of training for them,

so, so, so, more, communication, so, communication with PPI in

the U. Yeah, so I'm, to be there to there's there's so that's more than people, more than China again, China

who's beenang, grandin, that's more, there's more than it's more than, it's more, because if you're like, equivalent to

NSF that in America that, the National Science Foundation, because we're talking regional, in the Barat Champions League this, not even English and German or whatever,

this, we've, this, we've been the level of the one Europa, that's So that's the Yeah, that's the parisiness, who's the right here's the same,

whether the world that's green, what the way, the yeah, it's to be back. Not must be not just the other than we even, we're like

if the Champions League that did. That's, we must be many, the Merey, we're just maybe, a bit bit,

little, like, yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, It's about about there's about in Norway

in the U.S. consistent with respectasic, menangangka, and stuff like. But I want to share factoid in America. There are 450,000 people in school,

the schooled in all the campus. 200,000 people in India, 8,500 people, Indonesia. Now, in America, there's a visa, name is H-1B, for anyone who lus from universities or campus

to be able to be professional, the biggest in Silicon Valley, pay for the bank, pharmacy, and, um, the truth is, the majority of the

people, it's been brought to the people to the people. India, the representation is far in Hong Kong, 200,000, 4,000,

5,000, they can get 75% from all of each one B visa, visa professional. And then, Tijuana, can't Tijuana can't get 10%. Korea, maybe 2% to 3%. Yeah, no, no, but not ask, people who are going to say, but how much but it's innovation, yeah. They're who who, who, who, who,

uncollev innovations. What's interesting, why, Tyeongkok, not be able to get more than India. And then if I've learned,

two-douin-same, kind of, maybe people people people can be able to people India.

But the Indian is more jago gregap. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, I'malou like this. But they're maybe can be innovation, but they can articulation them.

So, because they're more than they're more than to be acuing. Okay, it's also to be able to say, people who are people who are going to be. But they're just 10%, India, got 75% from the visa. maybe almost in Europe, then we're just for they're still.

Back again, maybe to mental, you know, they're, they're just, it's, can, and then,

there's, there's a good kind of, there's a good, that's, that's, that's, I'll be,

I'll be, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, to, Where's more than making brawale,

so that's not-fail with the image-in-lawed from the people of India people. Now, maybe in the United States, need to be more thanpil. It's a lot. So, maybe,

the education kershear is important. But, the education soft skills. That's important. Or, maybe, it's even more important. And it can be educated in a row of tanga.

Yeah, right? or in the slurahan, or in school, in whatever. How about it, from the level of the world? When I was before moving to Bandung, the family's ever before I'm going to endang the kids that little bit more able to be able to do that way. That's, after that, after that, they're giving nutritious meal, like to give up,

and I'm more than I'm more the same, I'm more than I'maubes and I'm thinking, that's really, like developed soft skill to be able, to teach, ripaq polis, megang spindle

that student my kiddial that I'm a little, yeah, I'm gawares, yeah, I'm going to be, yeah, like, but maybe from there modality to be able to be out of the country,

and from there, I can't be able to becara where, so it's like it's the level at the level of the bottom. You know, what's your end game? I'm looking at the last game. I, people, I'm going to challenge. It keeps me on my toes, I think.

So I think I'll keep trying to do where my learning curve is steep. It's the way that's already. I was a postdoc that first, I'm not least in Australia, in Sydney, is more regional. Maybe it will scale up, so global, that next thing.

It's the way that I'm going to bejure. If you're not, if you're not if you're going to ask you to learn, if I was going to be done, I said, like I said, like I said, I'm going to be more than, um, galley the world of the world of the United States. At some point,

it will, yeah, maybe it'll be in Indonesia. Now, for the importance of Indonesia, end in, there are some questions. Like,

you're going to give up. What, yeah, the way, you can't do you can be able to be even more than more than the more than I'm more than I'm so I think if you're atas 40 maybe it's just yeah-odeled

that I can give you can't give you a lot 40 who are kind of 40, that's kind of to be the future. That's that they, that has been mindset that's same. The men, people who segeneration, who's in diaspora, or in Indonesia, yeah,

in unumudan, can be able to be rational, what I said with Rwiji, people who are people who are practical, look, what's good, that's the same thing to beambil, that's the same, that's that, that's not belibut. Now, that, it's the lot of the way that.

because if climate change because of the same as what's the other than generation of 40, maybe just we're just we're having periscate and my age 3 years that will be making,

so it's must be really, generation muddhany that has to be taneming, back in the concept this. There's, there's got to

to do you know-gournesearch with the university or guru-gur-gur-in-in-Nusia should be done or how much? I'll see, I can't make, it's going to be able to be collaboration between the world and Indonesia so there, what, name,

knowledge transfer, that's, and the world is more quick, acceleration, that, I think, it can be done that will be done. That's, I look,

as shortcut. Because I'm because I'm overrored, there people in America, in a certain of a university that very much of course. He, too, there's a lot of scholars or

researcher from Indonesia, to move to be a collaboration with institutions or the company of medica in America. To be a stilitar. But, but, So that's gotowen there that's the backdoor in the

even though. Even there's peniceroon to where people Indonesia can't take PhD, in there and still in here. Lewet point out the door backangy.

And, it's true, the university that, it's more much easier more much more than to doign or collaborative research between the researcher and school that

because of the same the same who's full-time professor in there. Bore-biasa, and this is more than. The person, not peruble to be there.

To bea many of the lander. But I'm not too me look at the biagnan that's because of anah. Because if he's mingered, do it's in schoolas just like that's just.

Yeah, right. It's just. I was just too not the payer of money, I'm paying my own or my dad my own own.

Because I'm looking at it is more to investment than cost, that's right. And, al-hmm, I'm just

after lulose, can't be able to be part-reya, I think, it's not even sure they're not yet funding funding from the world the way, it's just to apply,

it's kind of, just can't make a proposal actually. It's just to bealajaril, because I'm from the small that's not a person who's not a loto,

who are people, the last I always say if you're if you're not understand, two times, but I'm not read,

I'm sure, but I'm sorry in 10 times I'm not I'm not really I'm always I think when I'm not I'm thinking I'm sorry I'm gonna hearty

problem yeah people people people who are people not even if you're gonna beaq not gonna bea yeah because opportunity cost

we if we're not we're doing it we're doing it we're doing after time in TikTok we can't do that's how to move up

that's about people that's like that and more about about about about about you. Buda Baca Bucu, is more than minimum, now. Because access to journal, access to book, is now, internet is over-biasa.

But that's, kind of peritual to make makelea-tiket from the access to journal. And, right, now, now, you know, open access, macken.

We, who, in Norway, if in Norway, have in Norway, has open access. in EU, it's just, it's about it's up on the EU. And, people in English, there's also, even to gaga,

the diamond open access, so free to publish, free to read, to submit. So, it's, it's not kind of, it's not the mallellowning

how much. From, from the people in Indonesia, or who, who's the many people, I mean social media. I'm playing social media, but how much

in social media. In social media, that's more than more than more than more than good back good. And tootama, people who are in academia in, it mustiness,

you must be able to make social media this as much, yeah, diseminaceing. Mekin many the people who know about research

we're, I also also, to be able to to be more active like, that, from

media sort of, um, uh, catac, or internet, or media TV.

Research dissemination to Indonesia through whatever people, whatever, yeah, usually, more than conference, or I have website and I'm going to win Rikuri this, I'll say I'll

will use popular science, so, so that more people who know about research and I think this is the smanget, this is the amount of academici, where, there's like this. There's a more than the more than you. There's a lot more than we can.

I'maughaned in the United. I see, tomorrow one of the point that I think I'm going to make like a vlog, but it's kind of with how I'm going to look aty or I'm going to get into data

because, can't be it bytok because it's not evening video. So, how video is it's been that there's science yeah, then they switch like time-lame,

later later, will be part-tarty, maybe plan-plan, like, more so much perhaps, the kind of, maybe that's the moment

to the way. Carbon neutrality for Indonesia, the last. How many, the lang-lank-lank. 20-50% in,

20-40-25% 2015. Yeah, yeah, how much about yeah, first time. Okay, la, modality already, like, optimism.

And then, if you're gonna, if you're, yeah, it's, I'm quite certain, even,

with the people, because this, kind of, collective effort, that's, not just from one line

down, from the from the government, from, in the academia, individual, to have to be what name a

about, what I'm making, uh, carbonelleraal this. Because I'm geologists, uh, I'm, um, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm, uh, I'm, being there's always there,

yeah, the limitation just we're just just, uh, in Norway, in Norway, even, while he's, not the,

uh, to, the, renewables, but they're really gunjot oil and gas not too. But with

mindset that's carbon neutral, green management, I think in Indonesia also be that but, but how

it's used for accelerations renewable that in fossil cell. So, so so I'm

so much from exploration fossil to be to people other, then

by the bettered. Now, this is the othered that's about the other but the other's more than the big of the small, from the tatan energy in a certain challenge not a little, tariff, if I think I, I, have to be more than to be able to be able. Because if you want to business in the

the price of the tariffin, yeah, the the important is to break-even, and sure-supor-supor, but to bea-supon-supor-supor-bis-present. But, many, that's complaint, because the tariff's not been even to make-even. This is not to give an incentive,

and this is a problem that structural on science, or scientists, or, or, the scientists, or, or, the incentive system that, it's not, for people, People are lumbah,

more than borgas, be able to be in profession that I don't know what I'm going to say what. Yeah, right? Now, this is more than the incentive. Panas Bummi, if I think I, incentive is to be commang-can

so this is more scale. Angin, if, I mean, I'm not sure, chopy. Solar, not too much moreh.

Because, if we can't if we can't subsidize, like we're doing in German and Germany. I'm going to write in one. But not nuclear.

Yeah, can? Nuclear is very scale and very clean. If, if I'm the issue of the amount,

I'm, I'm there's, because fatality fatality is much than the fatality of carbon. The number

of the nuclear not more than 3,000 to people, if you're based on carbon, per-tawning, it's $7,000 because of pollution. And now, now, technology is more than to be able to be able to make

so much more than you. How much? I'm open once, if if that's a good, yeah, why not? and already in analysis, implementations'all okay, well, okay, why not? As a complement from, we're still trying to do renewable study. So, yeah.

So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We explore all right. That's, right.

And then, yeah. And then, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gali, bat, yeah. or what, but that's the way. But that's the paradox if you're not the standard of modernization

it, it's just a lot of it's and to be able to scalability, need to something that's true. What other? Pesan, pesher, for generations mudda in Indonesia. Follow passion, do what you like, but I'm back

I'm back up again I'm like that's a good yeah, so much. Angela Darkwoods, has concept passionate, perseverance for long-term goal

that's important so I think that it should be done to be the kids young people, I'm also

people, because it really, model, because, consistent, perseverance, long-term

goal, not just short-term goal, yeah. That's like, I think I'm really, have to be, I'm not for young people who

can't have been great. Where? It's interesting, yeah. Sorry, from geology to human behavior. If from, from the scale,

I have had a lot of three years. I'm trying to I'm, I'm just as a educator, right, I think from the level family that's the most

family, the family, the way, to be taken from, it's, it's, it's, he has a time's a lot of the time, he has to have to have behavior. Because I always hang up my son of my name's, not lawan discussion, not lawan

discussion, partner discussion. I'm not going to be able to be. So, whatever that I tell, I guess tell. Although, maybe he's not gregoral, but I'monging just. At some point, he's mulling, man, why, ma'am. This is, pa, this is what? This is what? I'm going to ask.

I'm what I'm saying what I'm saying. I'm not I'm going to say I'm going to read. And that, in my opinion of me, yeah, it's good, I think I'm in Indonesia, because, because, if a lot of people, they're going to be able to say, you know, no-as-divis-divis-it.

But, actually, it's a challenge too for people to galley what we know. GASTAWAZE-KAS-TOW-A-ha-ha-ha-ta-ta-ta-ta-ha. because of the brain the brain is up, and the mind the brain maybe the same way, elements, element positive

also, so much, the human beingsia. Amen, you. Yeah. Moga. Yeah.

Moga. But, for the young, but for the young men, but for the other than you. Thank you, thank you, and that'saamanda

amanda scholar or researcher from Arctic University of Norway thank you this is endgame