Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Andi Kristianto: Sehat, Cerdas, dan Bahagia Lewat Ekonomi Digital

Episode Date: April 14, 2022

CEO PT Telkomsel Ekosistem Digital atau INDICO, Andi Kristianto membahas berbagai aset yang dimiliki Indonesia sebagai ekonomi digital terbesar di Asia Tenggara dan kebijaksanaan yang didapat dari pengalamannya memimpin berbagai divisi dan inisiatif di Telkomsel selama 20 tahun. Bergerak dari pemahaman mendalam terhadap basis pengguna produk telekomunikasi di Indonesia, PT Telkomsel Ekosistem Digital atau INDICO lahir untuk menjadi “horizontal enabler” bagi berbagai ide dan solusi peningkatan kualitas hidup berbasis digital, dimulai dari pendidikan, kesehatan preventif, dan gaming. Sebuah kolaborasi dengan INDICO. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #BukaSemuaPeluang ----------------------- Saksikan dalam versi video: https://endgame.id/indico Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/6282133365263 Info pendaftaran program Master of Public Policy di SGPP Indonesia: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504

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...endorong, we're respect to people, and... ...derex with respect to people. And I'm not sure that... ...that much the caperatine respect people, because Bapac and my... ...and, you know, yeah,... ...and, uh, it's also, what, yeah, um, ...boughts...

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yeah, T-K, Aul-O-Lapult-A, because of the people, people who, yeah, Jai-Pura, that,

have had the water, and has a bigot, that's bigot, that's good, and that's the moment in the time of my life, but it's a lot of, but it's not, it's a lot more than, yeah, in Jaipora, and,

and, uh, what, yeah, gase momentum, that's morebiasa, back to Bandung, then, S&P, S.D, D, S.D.

S.D. Pryangan, B, Bandong, SMP, Negri, then SMA, Negri, Bandong. Then I'm at the time, I'm at the T.B. The story of the story of the story is when I'ma,

pa, my way to the filter is one, though, sir, I'm going to, I'm going to do with the curriculum there, not, there, no, I don't know, it's, oh, oh, it's hard if it's not, not really, but... Not-men-mighty, but, yeah, not-mintmating, that,

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but I'm like, but I'm also, I'm also, I'm about, I'm doing around. I like music traditional, so much, traditional, Bolajaro music, when you're small?

Not too, yeah, but I'm just just, I'm just gonna hearin, maybe because, I'm, I'm from, my mom, my wife, I'm from

Javent, I, from Javent, we, and, we're, we're, part, part, Moodik, you, Puy,

P, Puy, so, my, my, Mya's like to, like, like, uh, clenangue, clenegu, music traditional Jawa, and, because I'm in Bandung

so, oh, okay, I'm going to be loved, music, music, sunnac, you know, so, I'm going to, so, and, so, so, so, so, many, this, man, this, man, you,

pa, you, part, perform, maybe, one, two times, but, you know, performance great, and, and, and,

kind of, man, but, and, and, and, what, uh,

instrument traditional that's not gawed, like, bigot, like, serba logang, so if you're going to, to work, you're just to make a truck. So, there's a crew that's made, and there's crew logistic, that, so,

so, so, and, learn with people, with people who, from different, different, different, that, I'm not much,

that, I'm, that, I'm, when, when, that, when, then, I, when, I, like,

electrical engineering, majoring, telecommunication, but just when I'm I'm able soup that's actually far

that's fiber optics so that time it's not much it's already already but

but it's not much about in the last 90-an that yeah uh

bedgaining it's kind if you if if electrical engineering we can we'll learn

what yeah electron that's a ruse, the gaudits, like that, par. Fibre optics, this is better. Memangue cases of telecommunication, but information that's modulation

in frequency chayy, using laser, didbuck-tock the fiber optic that's set-cache, which in the dalam-in-necuitary, basically, just two, and some of the pantulan, that's just,

pure physics, not really electrical engineering, but, but I'm, but I'm, oh, I'm, I'm just when you're when you're this guy's, man,

I'm going to, last 98, a while 99, that's, still, embass Christmas, was so much, not, so it's not, I'm just trying to go to school,

that. Maybe, maybe that's, maybe, maybe, if I was going to work, like, like,

career board that in the campus, but, Rameoaned when I'ma'am-lawed-you-cours, too, when I wasu, it, so, I'ma-half, pa, that, six-bun-tus, I'm gonna, there, some, there, some, there, there, but,

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then, you know, telecom, then, hired people to give them to KPN two-tawn, in KPN Research, in, in Belanda, in Lentem. And then, and, yeah, that, somehow, I was, lest, like, we're two, went to, go to there, in KPN, and worked two-tourge two-tourge, in research.

Yeah. but justro in there, I first first time besentuhan with digital, that's there. So, back on the other than I tell too, it's, because I'm not so, because, because, so, it's not a lot of

it's important, so, they're both of course that's one project that's the bestowerer with Astronon, P. Astron, it's a company radio frequency for astronomy, so, but, so much case, this is, But that's actually, but astrasonry. So,

the thesis is the thesis is the way, if you're makingamati land, you can, astronomer, like, like, like in Boschai,

that, but we know, like, maybe photographers, photographer, know, if the camera, can,

can, there, and there, limitation, can, um, um, limaum of lensa,

there, there, there, there, there, there, the, to bea-astronome.

And then, they're also in the labagascarone, radio astronomy. They have project, the low-farrow, low-frequency array. So what they're doing, it's an antenna that's moreh, butan that's the name's antina dipole, it's maybe, antenna that's batang, it's, maybe, 40-centi. But if it's like,

a bit of a ruts-a-one, one-cabang, one-cabang, from... The... ...pusat the... ...that it, part, pa, that's in the same way, with configuration to Swiss,

one one's the other than to the other than to Belgiya, even one is the area, if I'm not the same, if I'm not so. That's the project long, I was, back, I know, the time, the project that launched. But, but that, that's what we need to be the telecommunication

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then, it's being a lot of light, like lens with diameter 1 km. Wow. I mean, physically, how we can't do it can't make lensa 1 kilometer,

but, but, with digitalization, it's that, that's what, yeah, digital, it can break through something that never never been able to thought previously, like,

I think, like, I think, wow, I said, wow, this... If you're... If you're... How much, man, pa, yeah, pa, yeah, if I'm not a parer astronaut, but ifahabler, is somehow, so, it's like, the telescope that's the below to be able to be able to

see from angle that that's different from the world, because there's pollution of the sky and soagery that, you know, that's right, but if you're from the world, but lens only only the way, it's about, yeah, the way, kind of, kind of, you know,

plus-minas, like, yeah, like, and then, and then, and then, I'm, it, and, it, and it's, it's, it's, yeah, telecommunication, so, so, and, you know, to use cases digital, astronomical, you know, because, I'm thinking, digital, when that, but, at all the,

I was that I was that. Okay, it's right. Then it's. Then you back? Back in 2000-Bah. Back to be there. By the way, in the States? Baja Blanda, or English?

But I, this, this, for me, this, this, is, like, I'ma-bye-an-a-pa-sha. I'm, from Indian-Nusia, to be there. If, if you're not, adaptation more much, yeah. For me, for me, Indonesia,

then, for the other than it's, what I'm, for you know, but I'm because, it's a lot of, but, it's, so, so, so, yeah, the, yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's, yeah, until now, I'm not...

Oh, yeah, I, yeah, I'm sorry, oh, yeah, I'm sorry, back to, but, so, just, there, can, there, can, be there, there's people, there, there's, yeah, there's, They're mumpur, I'm coming from

English, not-n't-gamous, you know, so I'm not boulda-bara, sir asbisani as, if I'm just, if I'm just about people I'm going to switch to the English, be a BAT, and we're also like that, but we're going to be able to switch just, English, that, but,

be chanda-a-kind of a bit, but, but not. But not there culture shock or what, that, uh, uh, not, yeah, home-sick, is, it's like, so, so, so, so, yeah, so, so, um,

so, we're getting for granted, like, like, like, like, we're, we're just about

because, but it's , but it's, just we can't get out, or not, sometimes,

too, in New New August, yeah, yeah, I'm, yeah, the, man, the, man, it's, So, okay.

Maten, Patat. Yeah, but that's. Haring, ma'am. Haring, ma'am. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's... I mean, that, you know, that's... Test to Bremian.

If he said, yeah, back. Then, back to Tel-Hom-Sell. Back to, back, yeah, back, back to Tel-Hom-Mell. When that, first time, implementation 3-G, I, I'm taking the team that trialing 3-G.

Okay. 3G is the technology first that's the consumer can makemate broadband soottened. We have had H&G and GPRS beforem, yeah, besail, but,

so, if at leastulner, if, that's really, it's really-G, so, Pat, so, bet, like, trial, to, until implementation, now, After implementation, I'm, I'm in-you-lawed-business development.

Now, I'm being made project leader for Langit Music, Pa. So, so... 2007, Pat, that's the layenance music streaming, that's like Spotify, sir, but, but, but, but, but, before Spotify, even before Android phone, and the story's interesting,

because, tell-comsial, so that's serious in music, that's because it's a line-backtone, you know, pa. Now, this, if you're a little reflect, like that, right, right, but, actually, just, like, in Korea.

Then, in Indonesia, and why not-laku, can't, simply, simple. Why, people want to buy layan music? He, he, really, not-dener, that's, for, maybe, some of the market, it's,

it's not. If, if I'm buying music, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to be, but, but, but I think, but it's value, that people that's about, from the music that people's like, when they're talking about,

like, that's like that, in the past Indonesia. And, the betteran, moment in, when in the a while 2000-an, in 2004, 2005, that,

industry music, can, like, this, jat-jat-jat-jot-jat-a-paping, There's never in napster, lime wire, but that's where we can't buy in the outside. It's, it's, it's, if it's from, if you're in the early 90-hand,

it's 100%, just 10%, but it's not 10%, it's just like, you know, it's just, like, jatting, you know, I've ever, you know, but, what, pa, in the world, that, that,

that, right, the ring backtone, it, can, But in the same thinglepon that's just boring, nut, nut, nut, that, but, like, disilliping player music, that's not too too. But, but, it's really, really,

it's really, made industry music so, like, to, like, menmuck upas, like, not can't be bajack, and, and, and, so, it's just about the problem of economism, but, but, so,

reach out with, artist is reach out with the person who's more than and that's interesting, it's also, you know, if I saw, if I look at, if I saw, I think, if, I think,

create economic value from the careering, can, have to, uh, put, 20 lago, can, paris, if not, can't, you can't do you know, but if, no, man,

but if, right, but, right, back, then, that's really, It's up-a-a-up-a-a-so-referent that's good, or referent that's got, got, but, that, yeah, that's about, so, yeah, it's not that it's, and it's also,

back, back, back, reflecting, the fact of the fact, the asset telecommunication, it, is, what, yeah, be a, it's just, to, to, to open opportunity new, right? Not yet we can't get up,

astronomy, can, music, can. Yeah, we're talking about what, like, oh, that's what, that's, that's, so I'm, that, so, I'm going to be, like, what, that,

so, so, so, yeah, so, so, so, I, this,

, this, , this, this, this, it's, this, , it's, lead region, so I'm lead region Jawa Tengah, Jokja, in 2011.

So, in the lapangana, and it's made me, I'm saying, this, this, this is, but in Jakarta and in Bandung just, you know,

that, not just can't be over-diversed Indonesia, you, that, that's a diversity, Indonesia, that. This, I just said,

to Jav, I, but, I'm juster to Jolla, that, that in Javah, in the Jaram, that's the language, the Koranian, like, so on the other than, but you know, the Koranah, Khaelotka, Allah, Khaelawarra,

Krahra, it's different, like, so, it's like, so yeah, yeah, like, like, I'm saying, I think, there's one moment, I'd do with a teman outlet in Ketamatat, in Kavapaten, Batang, in the Kallongan, there, part, gawgaw, greg,

Then there's billboard, that's if we're in the bigot-based, it's like in Jakarta, it's, but when we're going to be able to, that's not, but I'm going to bea-emotional it's not attached, like, so, like, in Panturae, that's as a-poas-no,

that's not, sappore, that's, that, that's what, that's what, that's what for me, that's what for me, And... That's three-torn after it's got to make up on, Twitter, and

some disruptsions other, you know? You know, there's many, yeah, the other things, because of disrupts, disrupses like that,

which, which is access, in telephone. Yeah. Yeah. That's all right. Right. Right.

Yeah. I'm like the impact is, but it's more than first-tier cities, yeah, if I can look at first-tier cities, that's why, Patta when I was in Jawa-Tennaugia, that's, man, it's been decadest to 100% at that, yeah. Yeah, what I'm lucied to,

that out of Jawa, it's 100% in the Bada'i-Tenna, that's... And when, yeah, that's why, yeah? If in Jakarta, it's, I'm sorry, but that's just, if that's about in fact that, okay. I'll see why in the world, because people, for in the way,

hypothetically, sir, yeah, spending power's, well, the way of the way of the life's relatively more than, so to let's make money for telecoated, it's a lot of, more. And, you know, it's, I'm going to work in tambang, where, you know,

if it's been made gay, when it's been given broadband, wow, that's, whatever, Twitter, Facebook, that, that's, that's right-bott-tangue, yeah, right, the segment in the and the muddha, adopt it, but I'm being ballyang-it-a-hanging,

like, like, if I'mar-humed-a-hang-a-hang-a-hang-hsai, paa, in Javah,ah, ma'a, he's-a-hast-a-tac-a-lac-a-lac-a-l-a-l-cac-a-l-could. So, it's the same thing, that made up to make up. There's a lot of the other that's going to be it back. Now, maybe, it's not the case in, but that's the time that,

like, that's about it. Then, after you're going to go to-manyahu? Now, after in Jawa-Tenna, I'm back, can'tar-Pusat, I, from Indonesia, now, maybe this one that's one that's interesting, too, Patelcomsale, that, Pat, I'm going to, I'm not quite, time, in Asia,

who's implementat-pate, and arguably number two or number three in the world, so, but actually, right, can, the people in a country that maybe,

what, what, private, yeah, post-bend, yeah, still, there. That's what,

that year, prepaid, did not by, telecom, saw. 97, that's at all of it. And it's, from post-paid,

from the logican, the logican, you know, people, the time, the time, people, and people, and people,

and people, people, that's, what, what's, it's, you know, that's, that's,

that's one, from, many, the past the last part, the part, the other, part,

because, post-P-P-P-P-P-T-T, like like casir, like, like, like calculator in the end, like, like, again, like, prepare it, not, so, so, after people hangy, he has to try, can, the person is, how much saldo you? He's stilling, pa, you know, ma'am.

It's hard, but, but it's just, it's the way, it's really, it's more more than, it's the thing, yeah, beyond, you know, better, yeah, and top-up. Now, this, this, can, Penetration people who have been account bank

in Indonesia kind of per capita, maybe more than maybe unique, unique that's probably sparrowing

yeah, so far away region, but but people telecomsera now, 70,

million, more than a superpower so, so, people, not have account bank,

but they have private and they make issue ulang cell routine, so,

so, so if you want, visibility to the data buy, We're too, like we know, we're more than, that's the third.

That's the same idea, the three, that's the three, is the distribution, pa. Pripet that, it, so, made it so, so, what, what, uh, what, up, that's what, that's what, that's the, that's the, so, people, this, pa, belaj, from FMCG, for distribution, for CDMP, yeah,

to, give-courage, distribution how, merchandising, promosy, so it's from, from from from Cig, So how about how about how about how do you learn CDMP? But, but it's like that. So now telcomcel have 300,000 physical outlets, Pat, Pat, Pat, Pat. And that's 514,000. Maybe if I'm not at Telcomcelal, I don't know, the country has 414, but we're doing...

300,000? 300,000 plus... Physical outlast, if digital, there are a jute-a-and, this physical outlast, there. And we're like create one... of the work, I mean, I mean, what's the other than, $300,000, that's like creating one way of this.

And, so we're just, we're doing, like, character of people, and, that's about, I was, I was going to sell strategy, I, I, with, with, now,

CEO, Telcomsell, Mr. DMP, we're, like, we can't, we can't, I'mc-and-a-haping.

from there, from there's from SMCG to en-rouped. Now, from there, I'm going to sell strategy, then, then, p-and-alletrableau, now, in the same thing, lean-star-ups. Wow, it's now, in the world, be good-grat, that, that, if we're, that's...

that's established, and, you know, that P&L, like, start-ups, so, metric-in-in-gene. There's what, there's a... KPI, that, but... KPI, that. book, like, wow, wow, well, that's, wow, it's really,

measure what matters, it, wow, this, turned like, yeah, kind of, how, yeah, very, so,

customer-oriented, if, revenue, before, before, what, how much, how much,

product, market, trade, now, from, from, I, did, think,

to, need, to lead, PMI, , , you, , part, venture arm,

, yeah, from sales. Now, we have to come up to the year's that I'm 15 portfolios, and I'm going... Okay, venture investing. Yes, corporate ventures.

Abis it to, I'm going to be a separate strategy and strategic investment. And now I'm going to Mindaiko, yeah. Yeah. Missy Indico, is for eduttec, healthcare, and games,

to gaming. Right, right. So, we're... We're... We're... ...theatel is, hashtag is what, embookas 501? So, we're empowering Indonesia

and enabling businesses, because we're learning, this, it's reflexioning ...bagnet, asset that's it that's that this is for telco, for business telco,

for prepay. but it's just as well as well. I've been there's been a personal my personality, then, then, music, then video, for sure, games, we've got, we've got to be in the game from the first. And, um, at the time in TelcomSail,

that's, I also, I do, it's so, like, e-ports, like, we, we're running, in telecom cell, to, the, friends in the Dunya Games, to run around 3,000 tournaments, per-boulan.

So, it's, man. to community, so I'm so so I'm from the time of the time of the time that's the interaction. 3,000 games per month? Tournament, sir, yeah. Per-bun-bun-a-pourgut. So, we know,

not just gamers'y, what, yeah? Tornetta, there's a new, that's, like, sir, so, like, so, not just who, at the, at, at, at, you know, at the YouTube, that, we're, we're, and, it's, there,

there's a real profession, so, engagement is like that. So, engagement is like that. Now, why we can't be that because we can't from Indonesia, from the city-gedymba-kot-keet-kut-kent. That's what we're making, oh, yeah, this is this, it's anewan community games, this, and that's the nature of telecoms. Now, back to Indico, and from there we can look, okay,

this, this, like, assets telecom-cell this, but, like, it can't be on it, if in-down telecom-sail just, yeah, maybe business this is just value-adit services telco, this, we can't get into the ecosystem, that we can't know, we're going to get into the ecosystem,

we're not going to know what we don't know, so we don't know, so we don't know, so we don't know, so, not can't get inovation so, so that's,

so, so, the combination of horizontal platform that's holding, then we have put up people, vertical, Tavet, Edutek, Kunti, and Majamojo, that's games.

Yeah, more to come. If we're going to be. If we're going to be able, this is a lot of this. This barrier to entry that's really, yeah, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, but,

one of the player who, yeah, way, in games, that, agap, Tencent. Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah. Many of them.

But many who's not success, too, what can be differentiation for telecomcell, to be successful. If we're in, in value chain business games, that, telecomcell is the quat in, man,

pa, in the alat, so, so, we're going to be able to be about about games, that is digital, something that is if you can buyer by PULSA,

if, if, if, man, If like, like, now, now, now, now, now, with the creator digital, in Indonesia, with penetration,

credit card, like, maybe, like, kind of, like, kind of, penetration credit card's in there, that's all,

that's all, people, people, can't connect credit card to, or play store, or, yeah,

So that's right, right? So that's at the same, we can be able to pay up with the company. That's the very, the end. We're really, yeah, that's been more than the end.

It's been a lot of the end. From there's been a lot of years. Right, right, now, maybe, it's rame as there, but, but by the policy,

it's still quite, but if we're talking first tier, second tier, third, tier, four-tier, From there, that's at the end, that's at the end, Pa, back, back, there's value chain in developers' games.

Now, this long tail, really, what we're saying, this, yeah, maybe one success is the result of, many, it's gagged, success, also in the past one,

not to the other, success, like, games in Indonesia, it's, like, game community, people are people, in the internet, in the internet, you know, 30 minutes, play, done, right, that, that's all right, sooo, sooo, sooo. So,

so when in Korea, Japan, it's, maybe, the high-end games, which, many graphics, and sogain. And in the United States, it's one of the games which is a, you know, that's not too many-bebany resource, so, so, that's, what, you know, what, you know, what, bandwidth, great, that, not, like, like that. The thing, what's the most of the,

it's true. And it proves, we're getting to, like, oh, in Indonesia, it's a granular understanding from 1,000 people,

141, oh, yeah, games that's something that's something with with our so we're to

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of the description. Now back to the show. In hilir it, how, this is, there's,

there can, there's a lot of people, people, too, by their, right? How much to be more to tip-itit-can so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Agarararararararer, but-but-but-y-like, yeah. Yeah, right. This, sir, sir, Pat, um, but, for generations,

but generation, game's like, oh, do, abasin' time, so, but I'm being game-fi-eimification

to, man, Right, right. Right, right, that's right. So, like, that's, I'm like, that's my age 11-year-old, man, man, that's, kind of,

kind of, like, like, like, it's, he, look, , and I'm, maybe,

I, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, so, so, kind of,

maybe, interaction, and, for the hulunuching, to, that's about, to, that's more... Yeah, make-gamification something constructive.

Right, and there's some of the games local, we're like we're doing, one of the games developers from local, in Indonesia, games are great, but the portion of the local is still, but, just one,

if we're trying to try to draw on, that, that's reflecting our history, if in Japan, in Japan, we're quite, But many of stories,

from page of pageant learning, that's like we can't get up here. That's interesting, and I'm going to look, like, like, like, e-sports,

right, yeah, can't be prestation, could get up, got, that, yeah,

got, the, had, the, yeah, like, like castors, like,

like, castors, that, commentator, like, like, commentator, like,

like, the game's, it, , by some developers games exclusive, one-torn, two-torn. It's umayn't, painkan. This is, before we take A-TRAX and healthcare, but you said about payment.

If I saw phenomena payment, digital payment, yeah, in Tionk, this gila. Three-tourn-old-lars, two-kally from PDB. Yeah. I just three-five from PDB, $65 to $70 trillion dollars. And if I look at payment in here, it's just per-sepullo-hand

from PDB our PDAB we. It's kind of gila, because of SACTAB. Apollary, if we extrapolation to 10 years, or even 8-town-lige, where our PEDs our economy our economy our, that's up to be three-lap. If you're still in 7,8,000, it's going to be able to be able to,

right, that's good enough. That's been thinking, for the importance of digitalization by TelcomSell, for more be a pern in payment. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, but...

How about? Yeah. We're there, there's... ...that it's from... ...that it's from... ...that we're... ...but we're... ...but we're...

if I'm not so single-merchant, single-purpose, just to be used to be able to the only the same thing. But if you're like electronic money, we have first T-Cache, P-KACS that's now being linked-a-ta. That's also to move our innovation to break-through, yeah, not just the appare,

if you were the example of what, like in China, we chat, then, likeinginging people, like, people who'd be able to make sure. Bair tip to Porter. All right. All right.

It's very big. But right. Three times in economy in one time, digital payment. That's kind of okay, it's been made up but really, really,

and this is, and it's the same the other like in other like Indonesia, upside is a per-10, from PDB,

made three-a-d-d-d-d- two-kally from PDB from PDB just, it's got, that, it's 20x-l-liped multiples. And that's, and it's kind of a pipa, pipa communication. Yeah, telcomsail can be pern in there, and digitalization it also. If I, yeah, I see, but,

one is, penetration from the al-a-dial digital, because, Right, right, right? What's what I said I said, if I'm like, if you're creative, have idea, innovative,

a use case digital businesses, but not can't be monetization because no other than there's alat buyar that, it's hard, for anyone who want to be creative, that's one. But, if just if just alat-bayar-a-just, yeah, yeah, uh,

yeah, uh, yeah, uh, yeah, uh, on top of it, what am I, vintech, can, it's more, um, more than, that's, that's a opportunity that's quite quite quite. Telecom, so far, from the catamata, Pulsa, as a lot of the way of it,

it's already, it's already, it's great, but if I look in the world, payment, is still so much. If we look sectors that's disrupting, anguplas,

anguplotation, anguplas, but the other, that's many, that's been there's been for theanian,

energy, real estate, and carri-wisata, that's just, you've got, you've got, 5% from PDB, pertanian peternacan,

14% from PDB. But if, from jasa money-a-uangan to be, the ratioing, it's just about 40%,

40% while in the in the country be a bigamang that's about PDB, so the upside to be 60%

that's already $700 million dollars per time. So if we're in connectivity, just the pipakness just to be atur for the thinginning

one either, vertical, which is, or can be disruptsy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

if, we're atas. We've got from there, we're there's already, there's there, 2G, there's 3G, 4G, some time, and 5G, we're, we're going to be made with use cases that's been able to but, it's connectivity,

that's on the atasn't there platform, you know, that maybe selective on the digital platformer and digital services. But if digital services, we're engaged with the ecosystem, we're going to think that

If we're still in digital services, well, too, it's too, uh, but if you're just, if the platform, how to make, um, asset connectivity, can, can be dimmati by more ecosystem, yeah,

in Indonesia, that, that's, it's my ecosystem, how to make difference, you, back a little, back to,

back, have money, have capital, now, it's not too, not too, pa, maybe 10 years, then, what's the difference, you know, kind of, for telecompsial, we're going to be able to from, this, many,

like, like, the 300,000 alt-that, that we know characteristics, it's very interesting for, it's O2-O. Apopin, particularly, you know, can games, can edutect,

can help tech, can agri-tec, we're, we're, have got to have been Agri, Pa, yeah. We've got put in TNC, selen TMI and Indico, we also have putt NACCEPORMSE, PACTAR, PANCEL, Innovation Center, Accelerator,

we've spent very focused on the area around Agri, that. Problem to solve it, but, but many the problem to solve it, but, but... But, basically, it's got pentop in, if, if, if, if, if, if...

If you're... ...mendalcan... ...that ...that are... ...not to beerer... ...not ...are... where it's where it's, creative, like, business model,

apocas, or whatever, like, kind of the maybe more than hiliering to the even to the

hululun it's problematic. Right, right, from the productivity, that's that's that that's and it's

it's really to be puttabilization to be able to game change. Right, we're, we're talking edutek,

The way? The way... Wow, this is that... We have a key, pa, yeah. In the Bawawaw here, this is... ...that we're focusing... If we're going to start-ups in the

eduttec, that, if it's already, it's rame, like, that, kind of, it's just about, right to play telcomsel, but, it's actually in the

actually, maybe, it's about, learning, but we're more more than upscaling and rescaling so much, sir and time. So, man. I'm interesting, sir, that,

that's trying to try to break through through, that, that there, many mentor, or or, or, who are entrepreneur, like, Mr. Barista, he has

business, maybe, the day coffee, yeah, maybe, in benefit, yeah, But, but the knowledge is like to be it, actually, actually, so there's mentor who has knowledge

and there are people who are being to learn knowledge that. Yeah, now, now, but it's more than to be, like, maybe, like, maybe, you know, like, YouTube, how can you, how much who's giving content, and what's the question of, maybe, maybe, but maybe, but after a video, maybe not, maybe not,

There's models MOC, that's massive online course, like DEMI Coursera and, and there's, there's syllabus, they're going to beckoning, but, past or not, we're not talking. But, kind of,

it's, but, but, but, it's, more, more, deep-get,

between, and the mentor, and what, it, it, it's, matters, that,

that, that, that, that, who, and, good, if,

that's important to be entrepreneur, that's also great, you know, now, this we're going to be from from there, from from barista, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, we're trying, we're trying to try,

there's some other people who, maybe, MBA, and so many, and, so many, but, but, but, but, but, that's-saling, sir, sir, sir, sir, That's from our own from our own. If we're going to be able to be able to say, maybe we're going to be more than I.

But, things like, what, yeah, maybe, if this, I'm as a big of, if in Indonesia,

can, if we're, we're, in US, I've, I've been learning in US, culture, how we're,

sometimes I'm not if, there's, to docent, to learn, right, right? When in the US, right, not that's not, you, bachadal, you, bachia,

well, blah, you, baca, in class, there's, no, the discussion, you know, so, and the discussion, that's, you know, and I'm not,

I'm, I'm con, but, you're, but you're, kind of, how much, how much, the idea, that's the idea,

that I'm not said, now, that's the, that's kind of, that, that, that, that,

that, that, that, can be bridging it, so that's more than, I mean, I'm sure digital can bridge that, that's right. Wow. I'm looking for, that's the low-hanging fruit, is the the sort of vocation.

Anguplagely barista. I don't know how barista that's already been able to be able to but I'm going to bea-mahomany, the number of wisetawan international that's in Indonesia, the first-upon, before COVID. No, there's al-sum that can't go to $150,000,000, with the development infrastructure that's that big, Singapore just with Malaysia,

masing-mash-mastings can $23, $25, per time. Mastard, we can't $150,000. But although the number of our own of the Southwara, right? Yeah, that's been extrapolation, right? the number of the multplicitist's like how if you're going to be in 15,000, 150,000, then, and they're thinking,

how to, not only he's about he's being barista, but how to he can be able to learn in English, so if if people get, he'd in the language English, he can't answer. That low-hanging fruit, too. But, but not the number of concierge, a number of receptionist, tour guide, supir,

who have used, what, yeah, have proficiency ofhasa international. Whether that's mandarin, English, and line, line. This edutek, this, this is really gila. We're talking about,

puloan, maybe, more than 100, jute. And, and the number of the energy that's be redacted,

anguptly, micro-M-KM, from 150, 50 to 80,000 to 80 million. Keseecheran, too, can change. That's from edutek that low-level, that's, now, then we'll move to deep tech, artificial intelligence,

then philosophy or what. Banyl, can, can, can be able to do not. Banyl, ma'am. That's like one of the one of the one of the last thing we're looking, that, that's like, that's goody-bucked-buck. Yeah, because pandemic, so, because of the pandemic, it's a bit more than... Oh, god.

It's great, pa, that's right, pa, that's right, and how much, yeah, that, maybe, you know, not just a matter, title, that's about, vocation is... No, but, sir, sir, pa.

So, that's... No, it's-to-3, that's-th-and-it-it-it-it-it-it-it- that, but if he can... ...punuch... ...punuch-you-be-cuh-cuh... ...pun-the-a-l-l-lion to... to make copy just, but you can't be communification.

That's like, in Indonesia, there's been many people who have idea, but not all of them can't have access to the money. The kind of the

communication is, or the less capacity of communication international. So, what he has, that's, not, it's not,

can't be born to be able to be being. I'm feeling, right. Yeah, I've just, I've been about, the start-sart-start-up that's great-notice

not only idea but because he can't English, he can't make fundraising. Yeah, right? But, but I'm not that in Polo Rote, not there are people who have idea that same. Even more brilliant, but he can't be able to English. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, that, how, people in plosok in 514 the Kota, in Indonesia, that's all of us can't. And it's just to pipa-in just Ciccara digital, so as much as people in Indonesia can passiv as in international. It's beener, man, it's interesting, but I mean, it's something that,

oh, not sophisticated, it's very simple. Simple, right, and I'm looking, yeah, it's so young, like, people in the area that, that idea is brilliant, but he can't be able to beerday-and to be able to be able to make. But it's because he's not know

communication with VC from Silicon Valley how much. Yeah, he doesn't know who's going to talk that. Right. But, right. That's, I mean, I'm saying, yeah, something that's very,

if we're looking at the world, invest, Maybe it's 10 years, oh, where the past are like that? But now, okay. But now, it's... Because there's been a lot of things that success. But, but... But it, it's...

...isimmed, me, to allure... ...plosop. And that, perantel commsell, too, is borgia. ...emarabye. ...meratacan the, yeah. That, that, that... ...that, that, that... ...what, for...

...that, what, that, you, what, uh, what, uh... What's, what we're in telecomcial is creating sense of purpose that's back when we're back. If we were back infrastructure, we're looking at there's a bu bu can leapon, anathe who's being taken TKI in Taiwan, Hong Kong, not just, then we're going to look, ah, that's something, that's money, can be.

So, wow, that's it, so, wow, that's going to beaum of it. And now, now, it's going to be like this, wow, it's going to be like this. That's it, that's going to be it. That's right now, that's the platforming on the platforming on the same. If you're going to say, now, content is, content that's can't make-credasked

Banka, that can be made health can, which can menace, yeah, can, game, self-care, and education. Yeah, yeah, that's for people can, can,

get benefit, that, two sides, from, from the catamata, can't get service that's too much to be delivered, with digital, it's just so much.

And from the catamata innovator too, sir, but, what's the asset of telecomsail it, is, it's not having to reinventing the wheel, so, so, so, cost of customer acquisitions

with, we're 100, 000 people, not just not, not us from from talking about, like, yeah, all things like, We'll take some time.

But I'm quite confident we can, like, like, miscellar propensity, that's like, that's from, from, like, from, from, register, until he's paid, it's kind of final-neciful. That's we can make, it's more effective and efficient, with asset that telomsel has.

Connectivity, for sure, one of it. But the platform that we can try to bring to engage with ecosystem, that's the that's the dreamy, I'm maybe, I'm thinking, in some minutes of the last, what can't think the philosophy of, or telecom cell, or people are solar-lainer,

to the end up the future, it will be gaseer, more than connectivity, to be content. Because, this, you know, we're just, though. We're, we're not.

right now, right? It's important, right? But it's just proven, right? Just, yeah, just the kind of, from 4G to 5G, so that's missy the same thing,

just sofittication is just this, but it's going to be content, if, that's, that can not only be scale up, up, but up, great and that's monetizable.

Right, right. Now, the whole thing we're can look at, if we're looking at industry teleco, you know, it's vertical

business telco, right, now, now, now, now, I'm the point I'm

right, right, that's, from I'm saying that's, the way, the basis, the asset, then,

it's just, this, this, this, this, maybe, maybe, maybe, I'm,

maybe, I'm, I, like, it's, too, too much more than we'll be able to learn. Because telco also is also,

but content itself, not, not success, so much, yeah, many lessons learned from there. So, so, it's open up with ecosystem

to, we're in collaboration, to do, that, if, if, services, services, digital services,

or content, content, content, that value-ed, not just to the innovator but to, the, community-loas,

but to, in Indonesia. Now, if we can't... We can't... Comparation between the world of Europe with America-Serick. Europe, this,

more than we're more than in connectivity. If you're connected-itiveness. If America, software... Yeah. But valuations... Jol more like here, right here, and in here, if we look,

the purusan purses hardware, not say the name, the company communications, gajajah. just about it's pivoted in 20, 30 years the last year, but not.

But they're, first mover's advantage to, you're all right-biasa-old from, right, they've got to their platform-ne, they're who have

back-bone-ne, they're who, but why not be gossock, just who's here, the jago gosok. And this is the trillion-an-dolars. Right, If I'm like, this is culture

like the past Europe. But it'serat in Europe, it's quite R&D's about, but maybe the cyclos it's too, panangangued. R&D is more than software.

I'm sorry, yeah. Aga, aga, a little generalization. But, this is important, if I'm in terms of, for all of the usaan telecommunication. And, predixies myriots,

the majority of the same is more than. Right. They're probably more wrangul, like the importance of the support to make a software to the front. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And content. Content, right.

Yeah, right. Because it's been-inilay as a thesis that more monetizable, more than more than more mingotivation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

Because benefit for the penitment or who, that's more than the service is more than maybe pivoting, if you're more than if you're more than, maybe, the speederrouping is 5, 10,000, if this, it's really, it's quite, in design from the first up, if it's, it, it, it's, it's,

and, even, even, even, ibaratheen startup, that, if you're gonna be able to if, if you're gonna, don't, long, don't, getar the time, like, so, yeah, so, so, so, so, so, and then it's been, mindset, maybe investor who's also, he's,

while the founders, this persistent, to know what dream-in' about content that's all the same, that's fine, that's kind of, I think, like, that. I think, I think, I, I think, I'm thinking, people,

people, there are many, people, there's not, not, and, but, but, full-luss. Yeah, access to, access to full-us, and... It's not, but full-us,

is that's not quite telecomsel, but in other telecomsel. Yeah, but as far as, it's interesting, man, man, to make surest of making funnobligate, but I'm not. Buttul. Mugly, with a bahasa. If I'm notartheck, too, many, like, that's been doing-laken.

But the most low-hanging, is a bad-hast. How, how, so, minimum, 180-juta, people in Indonesia, to be can be able to international. If that's a lot of the solese.

Seless, that. I'm going to look, growth opportunities. Yeah, yeah. The kind of we've got monged about about edutek. If you're going to

indica. If you're going to look, here, now, the if you're in the value chain

of, cure, it's a that's now that's in the area that's in the area, but that's right, and the young young young young, now, can awareness to have the healthiness too, more, you know, and more, what, yeah,

more than, like, well, like, now, it's not, and then we're going to make this,

they're making, if they're, okay, if I'm going to, that's the lifestyle of the generation that's right now, so I see,

well, this is Vita, we're taking, so it's more than, it's been, from prevention and care, that's built, to area that that,

that's lifestyle, and hopefully, this is, this, can't be from-a-mana-man, like, there's a discussion, like,

in-insure-Tek, you've, already, has been made sure, yeah, not just in the cure-n-n-in-a-er-n-n-er-n-n-er-n-s. that,

that's like that's who, oh, I'm going to buyer premium not ever, what, uh, back, not perverse to room

that's rugue amat, like, like, malangin other, kind of, kind of, kind of, like,

get, oh, I'm going to, oh, to go, to the area, care, and preventive, that,

so, so, so, activity, so, activity, not just the, but,

activity, like that's like in other, like that, that's going to be covered. Oh, do, there's waccana, wacana to area that. So, so, it's more health-tech, not just the cure only, but be more to care and prevention. But if you're going to acroo to some of the psychology,

one of the Jonathan Haidt. He, he, he, took, to be the Kalanganerati Z, and millennial, too, they're too much of communication, one-same other than, yeah, right? Yeah, right? They're not communicating with

generation of the Penderu. Ibarat-cata, they're not learn from the history. Asmation they're not from the sechart, the more much more bigiak-sana. Now, this, he's been argumentation, this is,

casus depression and anxiety that's more than the more than more than the same thing. So, sir, sir. I mean, I've got to go ahead with one of one of one's one my friend's like, venture capital, like, the pandemic,

is what, that's the concern, yeah, I engaged with founders founder, who's the same-in-in-uped-n't-purned crisis. He was born in 2009-198.

If like I, you've got to be able to be able to be, when, you know, crisis, economic. They've got to be like this, it's like this is just that I'm going to, it's just, from from the casehattal until, how should I do?

If in the massa-mast-growing, it's all kinds of like that, like that's okay, but if it's just like this, wisdom, you know what I've said. So, that's from the history, that's, can, be learned from wisdom. That's, if, if, one of the book,

there, one of the leader, there, there, There's a wartime leader, there's a more time leader, they're saying, back the way of the movie. Blerizing. Yeah, it's better. Yeah, that's really, so. So, yeah, now that,

right. And it's just to be summing, like, the importance of healthcare and edutek, to, how, mitigating risk, the resulting of depressive or anxiety. That's relevant,

so, that's really. So, yeah. I mean, not just physical, but also mind, not just cure, but also care and prevention that's one of the one thing, sir. One of the rank of my opinion, for you know, for the importance of digitalization to the front, in the way, not as far as telecom cell just.

This, can, there dichotomy, this, between fiber and wireless. Yeah. is is complementary supplemental or competitive zero sum game

or can be doroong two-doin in a sure of the same if it's complementary

because now there's terminology it's long fiber short wireless so 3G, that's the time to the speed so how much

can't have bandwidth more great, like, kind of, so that we can't makemating access video or broadband and other, it's more than more than the speed, but, but,

but, so, people, until now, 4G only, that's just, like, if people want to look at YouTube or Zoom or what, it's, for the big, for the use case is, Now, the fifti,

this is there's three, that I see. One, it's, there's one, there's a bit more speed more, and the other than, so, application, like augmented reality, virtual reality, holographic, that's,

it's really, but that, but use cases, yeah, not so massive, like, now. Yeah. The second, that's latency, pat.

Latency, it's, so, ping-ponging, that's, this, this, this is not much about speed, speed-speed not too much, but, like,

like, like self-driving cars. Self-driving cars, or self-driving airplane, maybe, in the front, beloc-kir, now, that's... Beloc-kiris, even, though, while the pipa-kinesh dead, the belok-kidthes, that's... It's a... Mission-critical kind of services,

so, so... Games, it's, that's the most of the latency, at least, interaction, interaction, it's, it, that, gungue-boggling, that, that, that, that's... That, that's... ...that it's... When, when we talk latency, it's not just

about technology radiom, but architecture decorer matters. So, how much hope-hop in the middle. That's why it's the way, for sure, you know, it's too hard. It's too hard to put in. Because it's a quick-cutan, but not to runging hope, also,

also, you know, important. So now, the discussion is not just fibers, but now, lasers, free-space lasers. Because, like I said I said, fiber optics, it's, kind, um, the ambiasan and pemantulan. So, if there's,

there's, there, there's, there, there's, like, but, but if, laser, it's, there's, right,

there's, already, come back, or there, there's, there's, there, so, but,

so, more, more, the, , the higher. That's the 2, the latency is the third, that's ubiquity of devices. This is a lot more than,

so, yeah, but yeah, it's just a lotanournics, pa, that's, you know, because... Because the design of telecommunication generation-in-a-law, you know, for this. And the handphone, we're, when you're gonna charge, yeah, we're always at the cargaret, or the person can't charge in. But if you're gonnaeat, but if you're in-toded, or in-cargo,

or in the perkebunan, battery has been over the charge. Now, that's, so that's the thing. And it's worth to solve by one. Now, back to the question of Baparke, actually, the need-beautil, combination of speed-latency

and economics of scale that, it's, made, more ideal, that, if, the, if the top-or-O-Tic, even,

to the-d-gat-Mug-at-le-le-to-le-le-le-le-le-le-le-le-least, ma-reli-less, ma-reless, Just right. So right now, now, even if we're at the speed big to the room, like that, while in the room, right, right, wireless is the last mile, like, now, we're at the end,

but we can, in, in, in, the, and, the more than frequency, back, coverage it's,

so, so, so, maybe, maybe, maybe, how to make it's how much about how much because of the galley's what that's how much, how to make it's about it,

so, but it's more economicalis. That's, so, man, so Ghali, can capex heavy, yeah? Right, right. And it's a real estate play, too, and it's a real estate play, too, and if like if you want upgrade, from 4G to 5G,

the number of tiann't, more much. More, more. More, more. So it becomes a much more worrisome CAPEX play. Mm-hmm. Yeah. If you're about satellite, how? Um, yes, a satellite is,

it's interesting, like, here, you know, that's actually, in latency, because, can, you know, far, yeah, it's, yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, it's, maybe, uh, in, more, the, uh, the, More so that's more... So, maybe ping-ponging is more...

...pendek, like, I think, technology will be... Like, like, like, lasers to space... ...minkin but it's worth a while to be able to... ...that it's getting... ...theidlapar satellite to the other than this... ...that it's... ...that it's going to be a breakthrough, sir, I think, pa, to the...

Okay, we're going to go on the Mascar the Mondea... ...biasn we're at the... ...bushung about about Indonesia in 2004-5. Yeah, 100-tallon Indonesia, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, you've got almost upur 70, yeah.

But, but, but, you know, the plan of Indico to mongongonging on the time of the far-despan in 2004, or, or, as a common,

digitalization? I think, Everyone is one of the most populous country. As a pastar, it's not even in debate, like, there's a lot. But how to make sure, but how much more productive? The hashtag telecommercial, to becapsych, we've got all the way of the way.

We've got all over the whole lot. How can empower Indonesia, enabling business of the people of Indonesia. How much... I like, I'm from... I'm from here, I'm from... I'm from... ...me, from... ...me...

...mebought people in Indonesia, ...that, sir, pa, ...the, business is the world. That, ma... ...that, how, so, ...that, like, tellcom, that, ...that, we're about...

...indonauts... ...andininin today, ...and we're... ...andah, ...andahs... ...andthug... ...tunggall-Ika, to, in course, ... ...that, you, ... ...that, if, ...that, you're... to the essence behind.

And we must appreciate, not because we're in a lot of good, and then asic in the city of great, like, but opportunity in the world, it's the opportunity in the world, it's in the second tier, third tier, the city in Indonesia,

that's big-bred-a-buck-botted, how we've made, we've got innovator that to be polo-rotte, to, so, so, and, not use rebutan to the quota,

to be, to be, to be, to be, that's like that's that's that's that's just, well, just the same-asem, understanding, that I said that I said that I said, you know,

and then we're saying, okay, the way's not being like this. Opportunity is this is like this. That, that in one the partanian is can't, maybe, the other, that,

maybe, that's, it, that's, it, not a matter, how we can't get inso, how we can't be able to and that, the other than that's so, man, so can open up opportunities

and more productive, so, so don't just look at Indonesia to market, that's, that, that, because, you know, can't be productive, and we think really be a perron Indico, this, so, it's, them, bough,

that, we're, the, that, relevant, that, we're able, to as many, people, people, people, people,

people, people, that, I said, that, I said, that I said, that, that, that's like, okay, if I'd say,

Andy, try to put 10 content, maybe I'd say 10, that I know in about, I'm going to be, kind of, it's interesting, but if I'm, but if I'm maybe, uh,

in, in, in, the, the, two, 40, city, I will come with a very,

creative, solution, that's, that's, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's, the, you know,

2025, it's just that. So, so, access to capital, Bangu Narration. But Bangu Narration is one, but how do you, but how much executions

to help some, what, um, innovator, to be able to to bring in Indonesia more

and make appreciatesi the best of Indonesia, yeah. Yeah. The point of talenta,

how do you? To, we can't compete. I'm notaractoids, or data point. Productivitist our productivity, that's only $24,000 per person per time, goods and services. That's also be adjusted with the day of buy, d'bondingingingan Singapore, at $170,000 per person per year.

I thinker. I believe that connectivity and content, that's, with the thing to gendonkrak, the number of the number of this, the number of the bigger, how to we can, ascephabot maybe, catch up,

even melampoee, the number of the number, from, from the way. How do you? Men, I'm, I'm, one, is,

the edutek, in the art, we've done, we've been discussing panang, about edutic, about this isa this isaacus, this is the

really, the basis of the pasta that's vocation, but real capability to solve that's like that's the impact, that kind of, that the key to, that we'll break, too, that's one. But, also, I'm not thinking

about, I don't want to be able to be education, single time, but, you know, that's already, but, yeah, but, that, how, how much, you know, the other than the to give to be able to contextual as a because it's a quick way, because of the time we're going to, I'm going to,

so I'm going to go, I'm going to go, so I've got to do. I'm going to work at Telcom, cell, in telecom, and so again. Now, maybe, it's going to be five years, there's a new, so it's,

so it's up to the other and the cuneuneune if I'm more than contextual, I'm the situation, I mean, I always like with the the way of the way, the way of the American,

because, you know, you've been to be able to get all the information when, at the class, it's discussion, debate, so critical, so, so that's making the context of it, and, saling,

I'm having to, that, that's, that, that, So that's a combination of, kind of making contextualization and meditualization,

and meditering content content digital that's been put forward with platforms, and connectivity, to be able to be able to learn. Because maybe not perfor you need to give you. Maybe there's a person, innovator, maybe they've got to know to move from where,

and then she's got to be in the key there opportunity this, he's looking at the vital, oh, it's really, yeah, and that's, oh, there's like this. And it's been inspirations to people. I think, that, that, that's, I think, that,

that's, ma'u. If there's a cuterbukkaan. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. To be able to puttie from anywhere. Yeah.

To be participation. Yeah. not only from the other than the other, but from the best, you're welcome here. Yeah. Yeah. In adieu, Singapore, has been mutiqued, even, Tionk, has been from out of the other,

be able to go to there, with other people from there. Europe, has done all that same, and, and, yeah, right? He just through ... ...

And so, for you know, to us can't be able to be able to participate in here so we'll be able to act, not we're not to be able to. Competition that's a good, if, if you're, if you're, because if, if, if, not, I'm not, I'm not, so, what, is it,

so, so, so, in the kandang, like that's about, I think, he'll be like a lot, like. Right, that they're not like that. Right, right. Yeah, so, that's a lot, so that's a lot.

That's, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, but I'm, I'm not sure that, this maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, but, yeah, yeah, that, that, don't, you, you, you, you, so, you, so, you, and a y'em,

yeah, so, gaian, like, gaian, like, Like that, like that's right, so that's like that, oh, in the world, it's, that, and, and, uh, what, the business is, that's been in the world, now, now, now, because,

the, uh, the, uh, the market's just, or, you know, or, this is just, it, like, bluery, that, so,

yeah, talent in Indonesia, also, should, so, So that, I mean, why not, that's We're not, that's about about the book, Right of a Lifetime.

Yeah. Pandangany's how, relevancy with the experience you're in TelcomSell, and the importance of our to the United, how much, right of lifetime, that's about Disney,

about, everyone, all of course, but for me, for me, for me, for me, there's people who, Why can, you can't be a career 20 years in a company. But Bob Aiger, you can't, Bob Aiger, you know,

you can't. More than 20 years. Well, can, Wolfebruin'pinsk, yeah, pa, yeah, but more than 20 years, but the other. And then, the other, the discussion in Bob Aiger, is Empathetic Leader, like, he, is a people who,

there's been people who, there's been people who, leader, too, leader, is flamboyan, like that's like, like, like, wow, like, or stuff, wow, blah, bock, blah, but, but, people like, model, like Bob Eiger, maybe Satyana Dele, like, empathetic leader,

that's, so, this, so, it's not a problem, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, back to style of the style of, but, but, maybe, then, and, and, and, story in the, wow, that, that, I'm like lesseners. If I'm like, if we're actually talking about discussion,

that's not just Disney, d'Ixar, this Steve Jobs, but the hubbunan-bye that's the good between Bob Eiger and Steve Jobs, it turned out of opportunity for Disney's also, we talked about discussion,

but, but what, yeah? Dabet Lucas, Debt, Markle. That's, wow, I said, this, this, win-win,

Real win-win that's from what, from what, from what, from what, from what, from what, kind of win-win, that kind of like that. Mewan, can't be a lot of, to make uphackan Disney's Indonesia? I think, but, you know, in context that, you know, that's,

that's, you know, the company, can'try lookas film, for Marvel, for Pixar, but differenti or asset that'sat by Disney that's been

put put in a lot of so much more than more than the other than if I'm like, if telecomsale also telecomsale is also what? Telcomsail is there connectivity, no other

who ragged, but we can't we can't just connectivity, that asset that we've on top from from the process we're doing, we need to make connectivity that matters

like what I said We've been when we paid, bangun AC 300,000 outlets that's in the way that's how to how much more than, but it's the olangue it's more, but it's a chance 300,000 outlet, it's a opportunity that's very

O2O, that, online to offline. Not all business digital can be digital, just just model two-jampole only, sometimes, there are many things real that have to do happen in the lapangin, interaction people or e-commerce, can't buy-bel-a-bri-can-a-counter,

but that's what I think that's the same sell in 514 quota, I believe we can make a difference, that's not just invest, give, and then, all right? and there's there's assets that can be leveraged. And how much the way is, to people also can't make manifest-assette that, win-win, for being more creative, more, what, yeah,

more, can make impact, for Indonesia. That's my view. This is my view. This is one observation. Amazon. He has been a company, name's EWS. that's

that's more than the WAPAX. And it's not possible for that not be spin-off in, maybe, in time, the time, because,

there's, there's a lot of personal cell. That's what, that can be better telecom cell. What's the, And it's just like, if you're like, if you're still

there's still up there, but if you're trying source of growth, yeah, it's just to make sure, telco, also, it's still, it's been long, pa,

yeah, been 15, 20, 20, now, many, yeah, legacy, maybe, maybe,

melambatn't the probably, maybe 45-year, eropal, eropal, over there, Europe, I'm,

from 10 years last, that, yeah, If I see, one of the business that's one of the because if you're

when you're doing we're doing business that's not there's yeah, who's just, but if we engage with people,

like, other investor, and other investor that, you know, lead diligence and invest, co-invest,

like, like, like, like, the maja mojo in, we can, we can invest with,

so, so, yeah. So, this is that there's external, which is the way, but but it's making, you know, what, yeah,

signal, that, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, that's that's built with telecomsale, that that's the concept hypothetical leverage asset telecomsatheel, that's beener to be there, now, that's what, that, that, I think, that, I mean, I'm saying, so,

so, so, so, so, so, so, not can't be able to be it. Now, now, now, now, is it like, it's about, like, I'm not like, back to the story

just, nine, nine, five, it's, ah, innovator that's that is

telecom, that, that's, it's, it's not going to be going to work work

technology wireless, AMP, S&MT, jamsmpt, there's just some, but still still, but maybe, it's just like it's just like it's just like it's like to make sure,

yeah, like, yesaping 70,000, reach out, and, and, and, contributions telecom cell around can, it's all right, that,

yeah, and, yeah, we have to find that much, I think, yeah, yeah,

W. Yeah, in the way in the way in the but I don't know how he's to dole jasa to competitor of Amazon yeah, right, just who not think that business model

this is just who is being behemoth, the reassang of the that's the story of the so, so Jeff Bezos, that's in the in the in the kotakin working in the API

this, this is really, it's really about, it's in API API-in, but yeah, see what happens, I'm going to be it's like, yeah, I'm going to be the more than what's the same.

From the digital, from the same, and that's going to beaughan or valuations that's more great, and what you know, and if you're also, that they can't make jasasasar,

that can be able by competitors telecomsail and that's all right. That's the metaphor or analogies that's the same, than what we've seen in the Amazon and AWS. Now, if it's already

can't be a given, it's just, you know, independency, or autonomy, and existensity of the other than, can be more because, because

the future is digital. Right, but, but, maybe we're competitor in value chain that this, but,

but, it's very, we're, we're, for collaboration in value change the other than why not, why not, because I see that, it's very, very, very possible, sir.

There's a lot of question again, this. This, can, Indico, has been guluti-care, edutect, and games? Yeah. There's a commonsense, did happen? Very much.

In time, yeah. Very possible, yeah. Okay. And, if, then, if, what keeps you awake? what's what, what, what's what's the cause of the world,

for the existence of Indico to the time? In fact, we're going to move to 2004-5. Yeah, what could go wrong? Maybe, this, this, man, this, can long-term game, you know, part, long-term game, that. Now, this, kind of, kind, if in

in the... about if you're going to be... ...that's scaling, it's, can, metric-in-a-dang-pendek, kre-kir-a-kir-k, now, this can beck-sabarant, need to be able to findle.

If digital, yeah, it'll be tagging revenue with net income, but funnel to do you can't have to be-bun-upon, you know, So before to the user's

make is it, user's payer or not? More than the product market feeder or not? Problem statement that's the long-in-lawing that's consistent, not the product that's developed? Producting, this, economy, is what? So, so, um, so. But to stichomah, that's kind of,

I'm not just about the telecom cell just, but everyone that's related to ecosystem digital this, must, have, what, yeah, to have, have, to, to, this, it's, it's, it, game that, in 2004-5, that, we're, still,

must, 25, time, like, that, that's, that roadmaping, must be bangun, how much as long as long as saling, saling, saling, saling, like, find win-win,

like, I think, more than you. I see, I've seen, you've got, competitive and strategic advantage. Because,

because, that's about in the digital, it's the topang by the

members, that's in theucous seven-time. Yeah, right? Because they have to do with the same month. Nice. ...dalenk, you know, ... ...you know,

...theidterect in the subut that's the same, that's a strategic advantage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Okay, like, in one-pike, if we're trebucked with cyclos seven-tourn, we're maybe... ...but, yeah, but that's risk to placet-ne is more... ...theircings...

...their... Because we can't cherubo. Or maybe can't be cherubo if we're with the cyclos 7 years. Sedanagan, not too much not too much. You, you're in 3rd4. You've got to be able to run.

Must have IQ, has what, has to be it. Not that. Ammanha like that. So, it justro, more can't make sure can't scionario for anyone,

to be able to be able to think as far strategist and bijectana. That, if, I think I'm not as a good discounted. That's a strategic advantage that's an interesting, ma'amacus, too, feedbacking. Because if, if you're, for sure, that's, now, now, we're making combinations on connectivity that there's cyclous seven-tallon-a-tallon-y-that-semount.

Now, as I've been, like, platform, oh, yeah, I'm going to be able to, but if it's services, but usually, be cyclos-siclus, too, kind of. Yeah, like what's what's the in a lot of the other than it's because it's been amazhackanak and to

make crystallization of the market model. And that not, that, in the U.S.C.T.S. You have much more patient capital. Hmm. The other is, much less impatient, the modalities. That's in Indonesia, or is it?

In Indonesia. If, no, this. Okay, now, this, we're, okay, let, let, we're just another. Because of the structural in Indonesia, which I've already is a wordar. Um...

Uang bredar to redar to our PDAB that's only 45%. Um... ...ketechal as far as PDB that in the Dengar and GANRA maju that in at a 100%. Now, the more than the redarer than, more than more than more...

...itual, it's more sad. Yeah, right? Yeah. Now, that... Structural. for Indonesia. If you're about the money brenuant 100%

from PDB, the people who are there's not need toar-ulang model in 12,000, he can't be able to be 20-30-tile. Like Amazon, Microsoft,

kind at the time, they're topang by institutions that, anguplag, lembaga, the bank of pension, or data-pensune

that you, you'll pay just, you back in, you back in 20-30-town. Enact, too. Yeah, right? He can't be able-legged, not

not to belemouth. Because if he's been he's trapped with cycle of seven-tawn, the more risk to pleset-neut. That's right. That's interesting, right. There's another, sir. There's another, Andrew.

That's more than I'm going to share. Wow, because, for me, like, you, now, it's, like, all right, Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am. I'maqa, this is a a time of discussion that's very

man. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to be here, man. Amen, amen. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, thank you.

Thank you, Thank you. That's, Andy Christianto, Pimpinan from Indico. Thank you. This is NG. This is NG.