Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Anindya Bakrie: Ubah Aset Jadi Pembuka Jalan Dekarbonisasi

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Gita Wirjawan dan bos Grup Bakrie, Anindya Novyan Bakrie, percaya akan andil besar sektor privat dalam menyongsong dekarbonisasi. Kedua optimis-realis tersebut membahas potensi strategis Indonesia sebagai jantung Revolusi Industri Hijau, bagaimana Bakrie & Brothers telah mengambil langkah inkremental untuk turut serta, juga mengajak generasi penerus bangsa untuk menjadi bagian dari perjalanan ini. Anin merupakan salah satu pebisnis, investor, dan filantropis paling kawakan di Indonesia. Saat ini, Ia menjabat sebagai CEO dan Presiden Direktur dari perusahaan keluarganya, Bakrie & Brothers, yang telah berdiri sejak 1942 — sebagai pemimpin generasi ketiga. Jabatan penting lainnya yang dimiliki Anin termasuk: Ketua Umum, Akuatik Indonesia; Ketua Dewan Pertimbangan, KADIN Indonesia; dan Ketua, APEC Business Advisory Council (ABAC) Indonesia. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #AnindyaBakrie ----------------------- Pustaka Terkait: "Regeneration: Ending the Climate Crisis in One Generation" (2021) "The Carbon Almanac: It's Not Too Late" (2022) ----------------------- Pahami Episode Ini Lebih Baik: https://sgpp.me/eps157notes ----------------------- Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: [e-mail] https://admissions.sgpp.ac.id https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: Daring Entrepreneurs | Wandering Scientists | The Take Kunjungi dan subscribe: SGPP Indonesia | Visinema Pictures

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there's been so much bickickickick, so that, so, so, gend- genn't,

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right of Kame, yeah, Nenna, to from Sumatra Uttara, last name Nassutihon. Lalu, then, if you Mourney, Jawa.

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you know-doch up, then. SMA, PL. Catholic, but, yeah, can, lucky, but. But, that's all, you know, so, education, this is important.

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there's there, if you, yeah, or, like, team sepac-b-b-b-a- -boh-a-te-a-te-te-te-te-a-pment,

also can't even can't even 11 people. Yeah, right? So, it's got kind of now, to generation the four. So, that's the, what, the same thing, what, yeah, and it's quite local, bro, we know, so.

So, so, three SMA, because the schoolhs' not a school international, yeah, because bundle, too, they'd give, like, to the U.N.N.A.

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there's it is it is not much, activism is up, Right, right? Because they're in there,

because they're thinking, they're a little bit more than I can't not be able to English, but many people. So, yeah, it's just, wow, it's not that, we're going to be

playing in a colam big, that's, from there, yeah, it's, ah, ah, in the school,

God, Kibuita, too, uh, North Western. Yep. Gambil what, yeah,

you know, yeah, it's not, technique, but the technique, but with the technique industry, that's right, I'm thinking, yeah, can.

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second World Trade Center, that's. Yeah, at least, uh, competitive. You're, this. Oh, this. Oh, this is all, this. Yeah, right. And, and,

and maybe, it's hard at least, right, uh, big, yeah, can. If, did itum the number of the week, it's more than, minimum wage, that,

that's there, there's there's that's about how much, 97, yeah, yeah, like asex-asic, we're, we're thinking, yeah,

like, yeah, like, Wall Street, sure, pull, so, back,

brother, that, that's, from, we've got, to be, to give to give to creditors,

so, so, and, why, why, why, Well, well, well, well, if we're like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, can, back, yeah, can,

well, you know, like, good, like, for restructure. But, we'll look, waddu, not gampen, but, but we're all, yeah, right, so, I think, that's,

yeah, don't, you know, bad, so, so we're going to come from, they're going to, they're back again,

too, So, al-hmmilghil-a-lap, al-lars, al-lars, yeah, ah, I guess school at Stanford Business School. I'm pretty happy. Sorry, pause-bentara. Yes. Yon-up or bo-cap? That's...

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it's going to gety. But if you know, if you, it's, it's, this, this,

this, there's science yeah, behind all of this, this, So, because that's the debate that's, what, what, traditionalism, Muslim, school. Christian, Catholic.

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to be in-law, because, yeah, well, if, when I'm going to bea-bucked, because, and, when, after, after, you know, after IPA. Yeah, because,

you know, you said, yeah, you know, if I was a P. If I'm, it's, wow, gila, it's just too, Ipa in PL,

but, but from there's it's because of the people, okay, this is good, but this catac in the temporung you gotta go outside, merantau, right? Yeah, so, so. So, so, the way that, because, because,

we're lepotting, we're going to St. Petersburg. This is not St. Petersburg, this isia, this, in Florida, me. Diajaroid, the language, so, the language,

so, the way, the one, this isbeck, head-to-head, that's, Because it's hard. Because of course again, school has been competitive and good. But from there, it's been going to be able to be able to be able to be.

Industry, then, work, crisis, back. But it's just this this day, that,

that, what, what, abadi, is, um, that, that's also that that's,

what, yeah, yeah, we're, yeah, yeah, yeah, if,

if, if there, Rejeky, but for school because of the notep, yeah, right? So, yeah. So, it's great, yeah. That's, well, that's, it's a good, because,

because, even if we're from, we can, can, can't be a bit more, and what, and, for what we need to doke from from from, from, so, bro. I want to ask,

one more. I'm gonna'am about Abokap, with um, yeah. that, how they can't that's how much of course. And you've been talking to,

that you look at it as a lot of, what, yeah, one thing that's one thing that's the kakelou, or, emang, not know how much, from it, like, this is important, not every person can be Ronaldo, not every person can't be messy, not, so that's everyone can, so upon everyone can be it's just to be it's not even though

it's true, bro, Gita. So, yeah, so on the way from the way that there's a little, that if you're saying that if you're just too, just too, musty, mempine, from behind, even more than back. Even more than more than the last night. That's what was that I'm the most too. From the father, from the father, right? You, you, you, man, you know,

most of the same now, right? Yeah, right? That's one, too. But, but, the backer than more than do you know, to act. But, but

discussion still perjalan. And we also look, from the syshi-ah, yeah, Arta, we've got never, Isilah, bribut, because they've been,

because they've been doing, it's all right, Awalya, it'sa'u'u'a. There's a lot of the way. Masal of nancy, so on the entrepreneur, sila, but it's like that. And, and it's justa'ampeaked that

that it's, not even, you know, people can't live alone. And if you're suxas, or other not success, what's the ruckusely? Yeah. And then, and soambon, and that's up, what, but, but what's success, but the way that's not, less success, that's, that's less success, and, what, and what,

the co-bersamman this, did, from the first, from the same, same, but, did taser from but but but butes but we're just to work to work for and we're looking at least. Right. Right. And, right? Lally crisis 2008 Yeah. Right. Not only economy. Social, politic

to be there. So, so yeah, we think we're just, we're just-la, we're compact just, we're just, we're just being-ass, this will pass. This will pass, yeah, So, so mucha-it-it-it-it-hapes-hap-later. It helps to be together and separated when it comes to that point.

So, yeah, that's going to... Because, this, man, many-bagnac. In-kela-t, it's not compact. There with k-a-kak. And, sering-kali, what, yeah, group that's-b-b-b-one-tru-un. more than three-hmmreys, yeah, right? Yeah. Maybe, some of one attribute-ne is

the contidacquackan, antar-siblings, yeah, right? But I'm looking at you compact, I think, testify to that. Yeah. And, and you,

the third generation, that's like, yeah, that's the place, that's more than, more than, without, without, without,

without, with the power of, yeah, yeah, And that's And it's about And it's corrective-you-you-upac-you-lawed-lawed-law, and I'm sure-and-a-d-a-d-d-a-de-law, I'm sure-a-a-a-a-a-a-could.

He's always being, yeah, never-a-a-a-d-a-de-old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, manorah, yeah, can't bea-a-nue-n. Yeah, and the other, you're-gredin. The third is the other people. Yeah, right to the ground. Let's not do that. So the only way to do it is, is to redo it again.

So we're going to transformasi. Yeah, don't. Yeah, if we're not, we're doing the other than, people say, the dogium's, yeah, is, down. Right. So, so we have to continue to transform ourselves.

First, and the other, gingsy, too, gingsy, I'm like that's like that's like, okay, okay, soapagat. So, the point is a little bit. Mumpu, we're going to be able to be. Yeah, can, model not only sumer-daya financial,

but can give education, at you have roof, so you can plan ahead, so you can land ahead, so, it's, it's, to what's, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

and yeah, muddh and we can't puttraked through, you know, like, you know, if you're going to go through three years,

um, same, yeah, group you? Bed, bro. Patsy bedat. Because, because,

but more, yeah. Pasty. More, more, manja, yeah. Yeah, because,

yeah, bro, when you are on the winning streaks. Yeah. Yeah, You think it's going to last forever? Like that's like,

like the time, got to be given, they're thinking, wow, the world's right, until after they're, they've got to be able to get meekin. Yeah, right? But, but, it, yeah, maybe education of the person of the other than you, business is very, very tough. Yeah, never underestimating.

Very tough, yeah, right? So exactly. what you can count is, when you're done, you better get up. When you're trying again, you better learn from the past. And one that's what they're giving up. You may not be able to settle it today.

It's okay. But, okay, but, okay, that's always told us, if you can't, let's say, buy, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, give you look at least, give me a look at, maybe. But then maybe China's right, right,

maybe they're more bigger bigger. And, yeah, 97, it was pretty bad, bro. Very bad. A lot of people. 2008, wow, complete, so. So, so, so we think,

we think, yeah, we're just just sure just because, because, the, because, the, the, business of the money, I can't, economy, politics, social, it's just, right? Yeah, yeah, can't, so much, yeah, yeah.

So, if we're gonna be able to be just, just, saty-santy-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-shrou-lac-lac-a-a-a-cuh-lac-a-cuh. If, like, we're not-using, we're not-usat. Tomorrow is going to be as bad, now just stay cool, stay calm. Now, now you you're called for the for the group

you know, the way that? What you want to? What you want to do? Or what you're doing? For the benefit of their names, you know?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're not can't be from the context Indonesia or to come on to bro. Yeah. And we're like

in, yeah, as a group, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, people have to make up. Mimpypah, 5, want to be able to be matinee,

you know? Adil, macmour, maju, baritabat, you know? Now, Kakee,

it's been based in 2002, bro, so, so, so, so, so,

so, so, it's, it, that, that, that, because,

because, because, because, you know, the time autodidac, not can't, uh, yeah,

uh, yeah, because we're think, uh, group we're bycuh, with various

asset, uh, but we see, but here in, yeah, 75%

fossil fuel with hydrocarbon. Emmangue and it's not the uh, not means from the world,

even must be able to from the same place, yeah, even like, bro. So-hmmrength, bro. So-called, yeah, can't start-industrial revolution, yeah, can't?

Steam engine, like, whatever, like. Lalo, then, then, they're still using ice, yeah, right? But, yeah, they're going to be able to build electricity in the way they know. Yeah. Well, yeah, mom, ma'amang, ada,

this, we must be able to survive, for industry revolution and also the third, the third digitalization, the fourth yeah, this is with what, AI, IoT, machine learning, we need, but back again, the other than four-frey-five,

we're here, we're going to do. Abis to, like asexic gomombed, so I'm going to, so I'm going to get up to group that were four years ago, formally. beforeumia, we've goth, back back,

this is the concept of private equity so, so it's brought over we're gbonging bribuant, pay money, chary do it, and all rightem al-hmillah,

for 20 years, yeah, well, in telecom, media technology. But, but, now, as a group,

what do we want to do? They're, they want to do? Din, Din, Din, Dan, then, Dan. What's there, Din, that's there, Din. Yeah, that we're part-can, but we make energy more efficient, but anyway, this finite resources also. Yeah, right?

Yeah, kind of, we're going to give-manyan. Wow, it's true. I said, I'm like, this, you know, Now, energy is what's like? 80 gigawatt? Rattano would be to be a lot

150 gigawatt. Now, we should be efficient in the 80 analogy basis, but yeah, we're going to do the rest the other 270 gigawatt

whatever, that's okay, yeah, we're back back in the task, yeah. Now, there's in jagain the same long,

there's in the same thing new. Now, the way, new, I'm new new, new. Do you know,

playing telecom, media, technology, yeah, that's been being used to know. Pioner.

Pioner, for Unicorn, bro. Pioner, also for Nungsleap too, bro. So,

so, so, probably, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, that'sassment

of your same, or assessment of your too, that's the kind of the other than more than you know.

Yeah. First, it's like a kinginioning. Yeah. But, also, maybe, this, bro. DNA's even sure for, what, what, what, that's trying new things, innovate, being an engineer, you kind of like problems,

you know, there's problems, what's the... Not too many, though. Yeah, right? But not too many, you know. And then, yeah, I don't know whether it's going to work or not, but at least we've got to try. But the beauty of this, what's so-called green industrial revolution,

is nobody, for certainty, knows exactly what to do. Nobody, yeah. And then, so this is going to tell just to tell just if it's the long. Because this, because this is, it's been meant, get to do. And then we're going to say, if this, if you know what I'm going to make up to do, we're going to say,

yeah, there's going to be $5,000 to dollar per capita. Top. But anything that dreams to, what, uh, five-lipat, in,

in the time, in 20 years, there has to be some industrialization going on, it has to be, right? This is, right? And we're going to be, and we're going to.

And we're, you know? okay we're not okay we don't know exactly we have to do it despite the industrialization manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing

manufacturing for GDP yeah because it's almost 30 now down 20 because it's better yeah we're going to go to say this so we can do something yeah, yeah, we've got to say so what we have to be

we have to be industrialist but we do we do, but we do, but we're not, back, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, right, now, this is more menacquette, right, what do we do, we're doing? Now, this is, yeah, we're just, we're thinking,

we know, we don't know, must try, yeah, but, but we're not, but we're supposed to make industrialization, so we make industry, yeah? Okay. Now, but where do we start? with RAD carbonization this, then, then, then, then, then, now, then we're just, yeah,

I'm trying, I'm going to, why bus? Oh, when I bus? Oh, when I was known from 15 years ago because they made, what, that, because they made a battery for, what I was the time, and I'm sorry, with the people BYU, the Pimpinan.

Oh, now, heabat, oh, what, heabatting, that's the same. Before, battery for phone. Now, battery for car, same, same. Well, okay. So where should I start? Oh, try bus. Yeah, wow, okay, de. So, yeah, well, yeah, we'd do. Now, why does it's interesting, bro, we're gonna'etka, because it's increasing public awareness.

So until now, this, we're looking at issue decarbonization, sustainability, the problem is, how to bellow the basis that down to earth. Now, bus that, we're just, we've got to be able to, in Tart Jakarta. Total has Jakarta, but total trust Jakarta, but if it's actually

more than London. This one, yeah. So, it's not herring if we're just going to see, polusinesses. Now, only with the work 16thuland, we know, it's done gankut 15 million people. So, so we're going to be able to

the first love of EV is actually here. But for wheelers or two-wheelers. Now, thenfuterns, operator's hemat 85% for OPEX-N. CO2 emission, it's already heathed. If not wrong, it's 5,500 Juta-U-2.

Lomay-an, yeah, right? Jut-ton. Jut-ton. So, yeah, can. So, we're going, wow. And, that's up, the same-hmmed from diesel.

So, the most important thing is the public awareness. From there, back to the , yeah, this, yeah,

this, yeah, okay, but it's, it's, than that, that's, that's a little,

okay, but that's, that's all. Now, all, long story, short, we're back to

DNA we're, we're industrialists. This is proof of concept. How do we scale it? Yeah, want no, just one. We can't make fabric. Now,

we can make fabric, we can, bro. In magelang. Targeting, the end up here this year, production is 3,000 per time. Bus and truck.

For the gambar, bro, context of, the number, bus in Indonesia, is 200, though, so you can do the math if they can Lekalikin

$100,000, and $20 billion. but, if that's $5. if you're going to make sure, so on, so on, okay. So, we're going to ask you know, we're going to be too see. We always do worse,

you know, let's not do that. So, so now, so. So, yeah, can't be able to be able to earners, yeah, can't, how to supply it? It's just. The other, it's got a group that has a bigotubus. It's already a lot of people.

People are people who are you sadder. Why not we can't be making? That's, it's just a factor. So, so, we're going to be able to be able to be able to beware. BASAP. This technology that you've got to beaing in Magelang. This is a pre-existing paradigm that you have to group?

what you have to do you have? So, good question, bro. Sojournalization, for the purpose of the group's more big. Because, artiness, it can be efficient, you know,

so. Now, so weimpin, bro, because battery all we can make in it out, but we're doing because,

battery, because battery, it's, the class-tingy-in-in-in-d-gut-a-oh. But-but-a-a-pot-a-pot-a-poh. But if we've got battery, we've got it's right. But now, we're back on the way, this one. Now, from back to the family. They said, yeah, done, yeah, can.

So, the stiland-a-otopards, we're up to-pots. We're raping for the pasted-depan, there. So, so, what else can we do? Yeah, right? D.D., mulled, d.molid, maybe, that's the power fired, maybe we should something else, yeah, right?

And, what, it looks like wind is really interesting technology. Because, what, the name an anemone, yeah, now, people still don't believe really, that, but

like in Salawesi-Salatan, in Papua, that's huge, that, right? Now, yeah, we've said, we're trying, we're trying, yeah, From here, right here's here.

And then, please, let me know if too many of the story. But we're going to, eh, we're, we're in the time that, the time that, Habibi, too, in Batheap, we've been, uh, industrial park. Ah, we can't make, yeah, can. But, uh, so, it's not zero, la. Yeah, as near as possible, that.

In short, we have to the Swahasia we'll try to use the wind energy but we're still in 100 kilos to make we have gas filled for energy. But energy this, we're using what? We're using so-called battery materials.

So, so much morehood, Now, we're not yet yet, that's the better than industrial revolution before now, we're not doing. If you're doing, the first and the two, it's centralization from it, from the consumption. Y, we're we're going to beaum

to becky blinders, that's, you know, making steel, the jaguarant, you know, go, to, go to, where, Detroit? Now, now, maybe we can do it in the park. So maybe we can do it in an island as big as Sulawesi. Now, but in short, if we can't discuss,

you know, but we need a lot of technology, and which we need a lot of STEM and engineers, students. And plus, the bigiuch is, like, population is, we do everything right. That's, you know, it's been clean. Economy is high, you know? Ecology is safe. But, after that, people not efficient,

the people making babies. Wow, more than it, how many? how much, this is what I'm discussion, what I'm talking about about it makes sense. Bawarer to multi-planetary species

to, but it kind of makes sense, you know, right, it kind of makes sense, you know, right? But this is not going to be overpopulation only, but events of extinction, or near-extinction. That's it must multi-planetary.

But, okay, Okay, now, this is green narrative, this, narration, you know, this is now that's not it's good, right? This is not manisuck, this, this,

it's, it's, it's, it's, that it's, to make you optimism, to, not only, to scale up, but,

to vertical vertical like that truck or what? You look at this. As far as something technologically scientifically, Indonesia, this is,

or, like, we're we're just to, we're just to, to make upcocisi, to acosisi IT from where. You'll look,

if you're, can't, be it, or, you can't, be it back to the bububurned just. So, It's very, really, bro.

Because this is the topic of the pedigues. In the problem. In fact of the question. Now, because we must have this time. What we don't have is time. If we have all the time in the world, all the resources in the world, we can be better than the way of the thinking.

This is one step back, that's back, what do we have below the ground? we have natural resources that's more than borgasher, and nickel is one thing copper is another thing then, and then other thing.

So, so, we're very much blessed. I'm not going to beckar, maybe I can't be sure, for the cost of battery, do not, why I'm going to be able to-doin, we're just one of the technology,

it's just one of the technology, it's kind of, we can't, like, two-giv-watt-hour, we're, and don't under-Sty. copper. Above the ground, like renewable energy potential. Yeah, we have to have 500 gigawatt.

This we've been saying, you've got to look at it, you know, this is a great, right? This, no-termal, wind, solar, and, all the much. Then, biodiversity, bro. That,

there's an angkani, there's going to say, 80 gigatons, CO2, potential carbon capture. Now, I'm going to think asar, bro. This is, this, this, if I'm not wrong. 80s. 80s per time, or in a total? Total.

Okay. Because emissy per time, can, 35, 3,000. So, that. That's got, 35, 36. Yeah, right. Now, so, if you're not, Singat-a what we have, what we have gothicity we're more than enough. To make electricity,

to make sure-satton-in-in-in-in-in-out. But, can, battery is one of the things. We just one of the things. We're just a lot of dollars a year. A lot of it, like, bignia-old. Now, so, now, coming back, We did we did we did we did we can't think about what? We think about what?

Uh-huh. Yeah, can't take care. Now, do it. We can't even get back, bro. Yeah, right? Not like America that calhama China, he made inflation reduction act. I'm going to print one trillion. Sia, you know, got.

And I'm not able to beck, bro. So, yeah, we must be back by with people. Because that's geopolitic, there's important, how much, that, bro, you know, bro, punia. That's the other Sisi Technology.

Yeah, one of the company that's talk to, if you're that's, example, Huawei, like,

Huawei, has 100,000 engineer, 2,000 PhD. Yeah, how we're going to be able to say, bro.

And this, we don't not, we're nother, we can't, To public, but we can't back to this. We must be able to beacquilaboration, even peracquisition.

But, but before we're to get that, this, where, this, this, this, this, new, the world of class-tingy. Well, in the United States, and very soon in America. Now, in China, we must be punday-pand-a-k, if, if, you must, you must,

top, nickel, copper, we're not, but I'm going to be it's not, you're like, what's the, what name, in Indonesia, ajarin our people, right? We must be quick, because one day we have an aspiration to make it on our own. But we must be thinking, bro, how we can't we can make it on the wrong? Yeah, can't, setaw, I'm going to be able to take it in APEC, right? I'ma, wow, wow, we'll get America, like, I'm sorry,

China. He's making APEC there China, they make there IPF. Good. But we're beabase active, bro. Constitutionally. Now, this we must be able to be because there's been able to be

into-entuck, there. But I agree, we have to be inorganic until we can develop our own engineers to design. One's one one. I'm notheritakutnik. That's about the one who'sa tehanin. Take a look at this.

We're going to beacar, but beacca, but yeah, solution, bro. Yeah, can, the problem how, this, public policy can't be not diacin can,

yeah, this is, can, but don't go to the room our country, but, But, but I think half of the energy production we need should probably come from there. Now, what I'm going to, I see, that, that's the thorium that, in bubble, right?

Now, that's the catania, bro. I know, I'll lead to what should we do with. Katania, radioactivity, more sedicate. Yeah, can't. And because, because of atmospheric, so level of pressure, so it's not quite that. And the other, like, and then the other, like, I'm going to be able to be able to.

But, at least, that, I'm doing a little bit of institution. So, so. So, if I'm the same thing, this, this, university, what I call it, mickering three things, bro. The one, they makeirin just. How do you value biodiversity? because that's right.

One. The two. Yeah, how to makeir one, bro? No, nuclear one, bro. I think it's right, bro. Yeah, that's what, AI, Singularity, IOT is how. Why, bro? We talked about bus.

Bus, that, one bus, there's 3,000 chips, bro. Three thousand chips in that one bus. So, if you're going to go autonomous, like Holy Grill. But on the way there, we have a couple of steps we want to go. what's what's name isle-mainte-management system to what, what's in-a-pahed-a-gienic, this, this is bad,

in-a-organic, this, this is-bisah, but must be croyok-a-a-law. You, you know-tary-monged, how we can't buy-a-5,000 to $25,000? Endapotaned-a-oh-est, right? Baseline our baseline, it, is, per-a-oan-a-6-p. But if, if we, we're-gobrol with pundit, you know, who's that's up and that's up and that's true and that's

happening, robotics, AI, energy storage, and genomics, this is from five that can accrue that's 100 to 200 trillion dollars.

But I'm grittyy-inia it, we're gonna just let'serunned, this accrual, this only to the country and majoring, to the Hongok and America even I've got to think about

it's going to be able to we're not going to belajure or acousy product product and get to how can't be able from this. From 200 trillion

and the half of AI 100 trillion in 10 to 15 years. So if you're talking about 5% from 100 trillion just to GDP our pre-existing yeah we're talking about

By the 10% growth, right? Yeah. That's gila, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for the peningotan, and redistribusy, chastraan,

then. And then the two, I'll look at, yeah, this I've been able to make sure mean, narrate sustainability,

this is too elitist. Yep, very. Yeah, really. Yeah, right. But, you know,

but, you know, but, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, this name's narration, development. This is not a reconsiliation, I'm not, I'm not a director of commasurer nuclear,

but if we're not a cuterbukaan on technology that scalable, that's clean, yeah, we're, yeah, we're not, we're not, we're gonna be able to be narrate sustainability or renewableity. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. I think I'm notherty goreliuship. Right. If I'm not yetralitis carbon tercapade, I'm more sure technology that's more

able to answer until 2000, but injelang 20, 2050, for 25% first and 25% to 2% to make 100% that.

That's policy. But the next seven years, We got a gang bust on this. Entrepreneurately. Yeah, right. But if you've got to make bus in Magelang, chassis'i's and everything, but battery is still from Cungo.

Yeah, has to have there's a problem, can, how you can't make batterying also, you know, if you, you know, if you're not, you know, if you're not... SMK, like, or universityas, who, you know, have to buy.

Technology. That's, like, in Cungco, like in America, like, where you've got to collaborate again? Right, right now, I'm coming from entrepreneurial bonoviour. But if you look at a lot of crazy

entrepreneurs came in there and failed first. Cool. Yeah. So about timing, man. Yeah, right. All about timing, man. Yeah, right.

Elon Musk, chairman, UID, but he's all right? But, yeah, yeah, same as, bro, like, you've got to try a lot of times, so. So, so back again, it must be encouraged a lot of entrepreneurs to try anywhere in the supply chain, number one, but the two,

for the ones, and maybe they're women, bro. you should you should you of those possibilities because until then we can be you know, you know,

you know, sedankan we must be making intellectual property, can and it's been because not not everything we're talking about when we're figuring it out when we're making, you know,

how to value biodiversity because we need it, we have some. And now, bro, bro, you know, you know, that's about mid-hmmed-lawed-lawed-landland, man-grove. Oh, that's good, I'm going to beaumonging. Oral, you know. But, yeah, how do you value, you know, laureate just to figure out if you can value land, you can value biodiversity. And that one, for us, it's a printing machine. This is apt-m-a-lawed, and this is maybe coincidental.

Because I'm not talking about three people who are talking about three people. The people who are young. The person of Chicago, tenured to University of Nortingham, tenured in Osaka, tenured at the Osaka University of Osaka, guru biology. I'm going to three-hmm. If you want mapping the rank of the program

for the world we're in, until 2004-5 and so-strospection, in the context of STEM, what's the one who you want prioritization? Great question. The, who's the...

Biobiversitus. Oh, that. Oh, that. You're going to beaum biodiversity, like, This is black box that's like that's

extreme amount of value. But this is right. We need to science that crap out of this. Yeah, right? But not there, we know we're not enough to be able to be quantification.

How can be unlocked. And bro, on this one, yeah. This one, yeah. This one, this, we need, like, like, like, like, my time my time about the way,

the way, kind of, or environment economics, also, you know, naturally in the beginning,

it's like two different things, you know. Now, we must have been sure , though, because, this,

they're not going to make it easy for us. Right. No way. No way. Yeah, I've got

grasasas salit only, we're, we're obo bop. No way. Apolague. Yeah. Because they needed

It's a court like a lot of course of course of different Indiciniae beda national determined carbon he's going to be able Now I'm notherst good Indonesia can play

role in this Yeah Yeah Yeah Mimpy Mimpy at Stanford There's Stanford School of Sustainability Now

Yeah, yeah Right Yeah, right I think this is the only thing They want to know In a nutshell That's technology to support it, but, but, but technology to support it, yes. Now, but the other, what's the other,

you know, people should be resigning, people who are people who are doing public policy. But, also, it's also, must be able to, playing it, because this is model, that. Now, before again, yeah, can, we're not, you know, that's national, that people's uprope

not even though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, like, voluntary, uh, carbon market is important. Because it's gonna be like we, wow, hebat, factor, jagu, this, this. Um, again?

Uh, uh, uh, you work genie what? Sorry, boss, there fossil, there, uh, what name is, hydrocarbon, me, yeah, right? Wow, I don't think I'm gonna buy your, uh, this.

credibility is not there. Yes, yes, you have to make this, you have to make, this, plan, and all that stuff. But I mean, I mean, voluntary carbon market that's also must be able to live and this. Not going to, because it's going to be it. Volunteericabler market, it's not just to go ahead, want to sell to people,

not you make money, net zero, it's all, it's good, bro. Now, this is also, I guess. There's a little, I guess. There is. There is a little, and... Yeah, the idea of the donging. I think, wow, wow, this isa

like we're like we're like we're like a lot of yeah, so that's a cop, like, like, Dubai, that's, he's, this is an artive, this is how we're going to play it, ajar, ask the Congo, ajar, the other one, that, that, Brazil. Yeah, right, what do we want to? So, yeah, okay, back us, we want to do.

So, everyone, okay, backus, we're going to, yeah, like, market access, can. Now, I just I just want to do, so this is the new G3, but C3, C3, C3, carbon 3. Just a thought, that's going. Gini, I'm going back to issue technology. If we've got to have a case, that this is not being done this is based. Full-us, we're not at least.

you have access to fullo's more than than the other than but if we're going to scale yeah, this is not able to one group just, not be able to be able to be. Yeah, not be able to be. Minimum 10 to 20 people are to think of scale, but if we're looking at

financing, this is only bang asing only not only that's-a-a-a-a-a-a-existing technology that's relevant to the pendingan you to the point, that's the way in Hong Kong, or in America, or in Europe. Yeah, you're dependent on international financing. But if I'm going to look at, structure economy or co-wangen our,

yeah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the world-huhsand-huhsand-huh. where, where the Uangue, that's around the PDAB, the ratio of 150-200% %? Yeah. At the start line just, we've got gopoh-gop-gop-n-ne.

This must have been able to be holistic, if I'm not really. Yeah. If we're really, we're going to gong entrepreneurship, which gila-gilaan, extraordinarily, technologically sophisticated,

to the front. Yeah, right? If, we're stuck with the baseline. 5-6% that. that's just. It's an interesting topic but we have to somehow

make a small step to get there to get there. Last thing is true same as well of course I don't have the solution but we think yeah

do it in the money there's there Like I'm in China, in America. Europe is hard. And they're like to make, there's a second edition. Yeah, but, but probably not, bro. Itani have something to offer,

so. So we better figure out this what that's the asset, asset hidden, one that's the biodiversity, and also untap renewable energy resources, to bring, and we're not even though, we're going to be, because,

because we can't be brought back in, because you're going to be brought in, you're stuck here, you're going. So, so, so, like, you're like, it's like, we're, okay, dagang, but, long,

but, later, but we must be firm enough, eh, that you can't be able to just, capital. Because, because, because, because, because of the scarcity, can capital and talent. Talent, talent, you must be able to be able to be.

You, right, you know, must be able to be. Now, because technology, bro, what, we can be able to be able to be able to be 10 time. But in the meantime, yeah, we must be, uh, you know, brought, brought money to make. And, yeah, Again, for FDI, bro, bro, bro.

Manton. That's the operative word. That's right. Now, the conclusion is, you know, pastime, bro. Because, barang, marang, this, they're in-bas, five-town, it's not been anything.

This, it's, it's, yeah, if, yeah, if, yeah, trying to shape an argument, you know, right? First, it's not easy. But, but the other, like that's the same is we should we've got. Mumpu, yeah, now we have role to play. Yeah, because they don't talk as much, you know.

And we have a scale to be around. When we're playing. To use, bro, that ASEAN this, this can't be underestimated, I see this big, bro. And not like you that's like one monetary unit, I think you always mention this, what, yeah,

people to people. It's been good, so, so got to be a very good. It's a good start, bro. Yeah, right. It's a very good start. I used to do hantam

with women from from from Europe. Why, you better, so union-not-not-so-bigus-kits-kut-you-law. I'm not just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we go to a meeting for the sake of meeting. No objective. Objective is just meeting,

but asking seringing that we're get-tom, the one, the one, the $72,000, and one, the $1,500, sanging-shring-srink-sring. So, if the endapotan $1,500, I'mong, the people, you know,

This is like that's like that's about you, but if you, you're notepardation 2,000, you're 10,000, you know, you're putting toding, tuting, you know, you can't declarations, there's union monetary, union immigration, and, like, but we're, but we're more sustainable for the importance of peace and stability. And that's a big one, bro. Beto, 700,000 million, mania, 3. Yeah. Yeah.

And I look, if we look at right, like they're, kind of puttip, rela, that's, we take it. Yeah. Yeah. This is a sea-an-gade, but not even in ad-dumbah, but, yeah, what other, yeah, and even being proxie. That's just, and Indonesia,

as a big of the country that's not-kechil, It's up to the people's up to the people. You know what? G20. You can't see what. And what? Hasic, me, the Asian, you know, we begin. Because, yeah, if you can, bro, if you can't be,

you know, because of market, okay, good. But now, last, last, become production pace for the world. Oh, this, this, this, this, yeah, right? But, yeah, but I don't know. I'm bull. Uh-huh.

that'salus not as well-futiousing, we're not going to be able to be production-based. Yeah, yeah. And rhetorica of shoring, re-shoring, frayshoring, yeah, yeah. Salaparker. Eveninged, thaninging can reality that there in the land.

Reality in the labang, this is not conducive for the importance of our, to getang-monding. Yeah, yeah. With scale that we're in-ginked. And if it's still-in-a-d-d-lip-deh. like, there.

there's worth of excellence. Sparks of excellence, but not widespread. And if not widespread, and if you're not wide spread, yeah, yeah, it's a badgayal, we're in the end of the day you want to talk about anything, is $4,500 per capita.

It's not like, what, this is a country, in a capital basis, yeah. And we're making some of the day We're making steps toward that. You are, you are. You're inspirational to other entrepreneurs. Yeah, same, bro.

And we're also, and we're saying it openly. Yeah, I'm like, this. Because this, because this is the problem is one, the boomie, 1.5, 2. this, let's not talk about this. You know, yeah, yeah, but, yeah, 1.5, 2-drajudice, yeah, like, you know, you don't get in A-C, you know, like, you're going to,

you're going to, but... Bahiazsche, that, bro, yeah, can't, casari, that? But, coming back, we're going to back, we're from where we're thinking, yeah, every challenge, especially existential challenge, which we have to deal with, there's something that's something that's something that's, yeah. We always believe in it.

Now, at least, everyone, not, there's no, this, this is a problem. Now, that's what we have to do. Now, I want to say, when we say, we're doing something to get there. Okay, thank you, bro. We're going to, but we'll see, yeah, Indonesia is, too, ma'an, bro. Because 20-year, okay, 20-d from now. We don't know how

the political situation is going to be, but maybe two sets of leadership. Now, I mean, I'd say 10 years and 10 years get to them. Now, let's count backward, but maybe depending on whatever it is, the 10 years this may not be the number number two,

but the rest of the people will be in their 50s, But I'm 30-a-old, right? Now, we're talking to be leaders, like what bro is doing in terms of what you're doing in terms of what's going to policy and that's important.

But, but, but I'm now, they're trying to believe that, oh, we can, we can, for,

for, maybe, maybe, like ASEAN, yeah, like, you know, you start to believe that, hey, you know, you can probably do it.

Now, this is more than how we can't believe in, what, FDI and stuff like that. But, also, yeah, we must be sure process, bro. Process, bro. Because, yeah, bro, if I'm going to share again. Okay, FDI, per hour per day, for the other than countries in ASEAN, Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, to $100 to $1,000,

Singapore is $1,000,000 $1,000,000 and Philippines, $100,000. But, the kisarraini is 100 to 400 for four or five countries that's and this,

and this is a function of ideology, not function from geography, not function of the sumberdai of the world, but function from the capatian ofcum.

And there is There's argument, reflex, is Singapore can 5.5 million, but this facta. FDA to Singapore, in 2001, it's 105 million dollars.

The recipient the number two in ASEAN, to Indonesia, only got up to 30 million dollars. From there, we can't see that the small argument, small country argument, collapses.

Now, this is hiccapy, not instantaneously, this isccate this is just like to the same. With incrementalism, it's not parable. But if we're not even though that we can't get 100, 200 million dollars per year, apathe, in context liquidities M2 that's bredar in all the world,

that's a big of $100 trillion. So, that, barren. Industrial Estate, Low, and there's the other, there's the time there's bachry, there's a.I, there's a bit of being this.

We're different. If that's a good idea. And that's, yeah, what, there's more than that. Right. Because, you know,

you can say whatever you want to say, but, but, not can't say they've been there's been there, no,

no, boss. And I'm check, bro, We did industrialization, Indonesia, $2. So, about it, 1718,

that's, to Singapore's a little in that. So, why, why, why, why,

can't, even, the land, too, and then, but, but, they're thinking

to be industrialized, he has, but, but, SDM's, but, B, bro. Yeah,

Bucle. Yeah, gila. Yeah, the intersection of talent and power in entrepreneurship, policy,

place of worship, and everything, academicism, it's clear. Meritocrasiness, too, you know, and I'm looking at, you're looking at work, you know,

you're still, and like you know what can't be done about the back your, and I'm thinking how, so, group other

too, I'm going to doyun, go on the talk about sustainability because this humanity's interest. And one other there, there's factoid

that I want to share with you. ASEAN or Southeast Asia is underperformed in the banking longok for 30 years. GDP per capita. ASEAN is 2.7 times.

Naikyngu Kyiang, 10x. That's because some of the other attribute of the one of the one first of the underinvestment education infrastructure, governance and cap, competition.

Now, competition is it to manifestly in perisiness. So it's perisinan that's done by Hong Kongk per 1,000 people dewasa. That's 9-10. They're makinglearned 10-10 I mean, Indonesia,

Philippina, 0.3. Singapore, 9. This asian, is the ratat only can give a reason 1 per 1% per 1%% 1,000 people, 10. Now, you're used in the other side.

You're on the other side of prisoning, can? If you, if you're in fact, three attributinginginging is correct. You're brady to take care of, so much than the other, maybe. The second, full-us.

Access to full-us for you more big, than than people we're more than we, or to be a lot of tarrant or in any other than the other than. And the three, I call it bureaucratic dead weight. It's maybe there, what, yeah, process bureaucracies that's been able to becky-ulang.

Now, now, if you're not disliked up as far as entrepreneurship in Indonesia, you yeah, maybe incrementalist the perkemonging. Discusy, bro, yeah? This is interesting, because I noted, you know, the first,

that's, you know, how the country like Singapore and the capatian hook can be, you know. The second, today, competition. Yeah, can.

You don't compete much. You don't, you get nervous. competition, if you look, if you look, if you're not, well, there's a lot of huming fruit, yeah, what, you know, bro, for this, for this, for, this, bro,

yeah, of course, leadership is very important to make a capacity of the law in the country demarcation, this, from the same time, and I will share my view, too, that's from where, bro? from where, bro? It's the same thing.

It's interesting too. If you don't mind to share a little bit, sorry, about. Nguerate, democracy. Kepartian Hukum and, what,

what, that's, the, the, I'm going to look, I'm going to get the

a absolute prerequisite to come to come down to, anywhere, in the Pankapura,

to be getting, the money, from Russia, from Africa, from Indonesia, from America, from Hong Kongk, from from where.

You're now, now in Singapore, I'm going to be Rolnsk, I'm in a month. Because there's too much money, do you know, too much cash chasing too many goods, I mean, too few goods. Yeah, right? And it's because there, it's been built

perception and reality that the rules work. Yeah, right? The rules for everyone. Not the rules for certain people. Yeah. Now, if you, if you, if you, if you have to be able to be it tangoaned with a way that bifathe, from up to the bottom, so set.

And that, if I'm in front of go, manifestation from intersexes of power and talenta. And this, this, not semata in context politics or policy, but in context entrepreneurship, in context academicism, in context, in the Singapore, in the same way, maybe carry, but he, too, yeah, had been the mainpinpinpinning

that's just, like, I want it to where? Now, the other, observation my own personal democracy, or democracy liberal, that's not asemate is definisicc in context the power

but it's also in context public goods yeah, if you look look welfare-n-cern health care

care-ne intellects koreen education is great moral value it's great social value-cure for allan that's

that's a if you're different if we're different if we're democryation we're not only only there's in definition okay,

the thing that's people people can't be critical, not be critical not can't give people room

especially opposition and media but like you in 10 years they've been they've been I'm going to becky

this but I'm got sick of it Now, you know, asal you're in the opusisies, you're pinter just, you're going to be able to be able to be with me. Because you're not able to be debat with me, yeah, sorry, I'm who are who still in the government,

opposition, digituin, media also, already gives space, that's awesome. And you're going to be able to be able to beaithiness, great, pediccuitality is great. That that's what, that's the definition of how much democracy liberal can't.

In the other than, cuspositions power just with pencoblosan. But public goods still don't redistribution. Now,

the capatian the law is, is, the point of the point of the people with the government,

to the people with the government. Ander Soponged Sopongedekyllogical advancement Social advancement

Cultural advancement Economic advancement That's important That's the axis Or what, yeah The middle Yeah, right

Yeah, right, that Yeah, right. That's, bro, why? Yeah, that's it, I must be many of the people who are people who are, I don't want to come to conclusion,

but we just hope, uh, uh, want to dedicate their time for public service, whoever they are, and also, uh, yeah, same, like we talked about

business. We're sharing, Vibati, from little, even, it's been doing, buy a ticket, gag, yeah, can.

Yeah, just the end up, they're going to be it, more so much more than there's a school that's there's a lot but you're unctuble you're from katek

where you're business because you're doing you're doing what you learn in what you've been learning what you learn in LORAT or PIL or what this kind of not much back up my

bop I'm going to not into kakek I'm going to kind of this kind of guru I have heard me what kind of who's talking or boughap or what

every person has that's every person has benefit that Now, now, for you know, right? If you're in front of two, the reason for you. I mean, for the three variable that, yeah, that's,

full-lose, mohawcary-dead, death weight and risk-taking. Fulus. If you fulus'n, you're guillership will mending. Yeah, right? If you're,

if you're going to bea-wanyuangy, you're tingle in the pulo-one, or tingle in the pulo manapun, you know, if you're to be cabang-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-bent-a-a-reli-a-reli-a-reli-dude-dus with the way of the way that's like it's like it's be it's a new jacques barrenzioz new

Bill Gates, new, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk's new but it's very structural that's the money brenardar teradipa any 40% per banked or asset per banked or asset per banked to paydbbaity than 40% theasar model

pergare medibia only percent the nega and thegare major maju is 150% to atas that's structural. if that's not, bro, yeah, the country that's in between is what, bro? I'm, I'm talking to,

the same personan to the other. I like your idea, but I'm really like to think of if you think, if people don't have a model, yeah, modality can't be sure,

you can't be able to say English. But it does not mean, what's very important in life, but if, yeah, if you're going to make,

like that's like agriculture-based, you know, the important, that's the same thing, yeah, yeah, he can get money, yeah, it's kind of working capital, like, right? Where do you look at, before you're up,

before you're going to be, the level of America, you know, Singapore, that you look, India or Brazil? India and Brazil. Yeah, Brazil. Yeah, I'm, I'm not,

I'm beinginginguio people in the people in Jakarta two-dewaned-you-n't-you-n't-clusive two-douin-dhaveniccited. But, who in Jakarta, access-ne to platform 1-T.

So, in Polaro-T, just maybe 5,000. Yeah, access to capital, that's better. Two-d-d-d-2-in-luted. But access-to-capital, If you know, if you got better than the idea in Jakarta, yeah,

yeah, yeah, can't? Now, that's, if, I'm not the word I'm, but it's not that's beenckxed up. But, it's not enough. Now, this, how many-income-wounder,

you, want to come, more, you're going to come upang or, or datting in FDI. Yeah, I'm thinking about it. Yeah, yeah. Because of the money, yeah. Because of the money, you know, not. Now, if I was, if we're in the first,

that I'm going to ask you. I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be able. You, you know, too, you know, that's not able to bemanlike entrepreneur. And then, but this, I'm going to mong, me. You've got two periods.

How much, that'spiration you, if you know what's about, you know, if you're going to beaugh-all, what's going to do. It's not going to do. More than upside now. Because, but why I'm

not going to be attracted other than my kids say, hey, look, you know, you gotta do something in this, a lot of people, that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, somebody, you know, look, look at, bro, I'm going to see,

check, can, data, data, do you? Inundas, 52, up to now, ever, men, men, not? Olympic. Wow, pa, not pan,

pa. Not per man, man, anybody except Batinton, 1, medall, no matter,

and, what's the time, the amount, the amount, and the man, can't,

nobody. In total, 37, sir, pa. That's, that's, that's good.

You know? Then, then, think, The other, think, okay, if that's like that medalli, too, and aquatic Indonesia, bro, the name's PRSI, can't, person in renan. Because, because in the bowelsa,

rena, india, water, polo, and open water. Wow, for this, this, 24, from 33 cabang, there 330 medalli. 50% is aquatic, you, pa. Oh, pantes. Singapore, in Singapore, because this isi-gay-gallang.

So, we musty know-nobu. We've got j-joundt, we're number 16 or what, so-b-a-l-l-l-grain, we're-all-to-be-sin. As a-hull, and also, what-l-l-l-rond. And, you, we'll try, let's make GBAN. So, we'll be able to, okay, yeah, 20-3-2, we must be-nang. One medalli-Mas, one medalli-pera,

one of the bronze. Was more. No way, Jose. Not, but you're dreaming. You're doing it because you're not going to be there anymore. No, no, no. I think we've got to do something, you know. And I think it can be done.

Because we still have time, because we're still in 2022. Not a lot. But, but we're going, we must be sure to be cacao data with science, yeah, right? Now, yeah, you're looking, yeah,

Joseph Schuling, he won't know, wrong, wrong. Kna Lain, the Michael Phelps, yeah, and, okay, this, this, we know,

we're doing, this, little old, this, one, the last one, y'all one, boss,

he's never in Singapore, man, he's in Texas. He's alma mater, my mother, U. U.T. Austin, Longhorn.

Yeah. Oh, if you're right, you're right. The best line in the U.S. Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, one. Do you all of it. Yeah. Then I'm going to check again, let's talk again.

The last round the world you're trying, that, though. 2008-year-12, there's a lot of, there's name. Ranomi, Gromy, Gromy Joyo, bro. Okay. He, that's repratate, people, pro. Cuma, the U. The U.S. the U.

Planda, like. So I'm already I'm still right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, I understand. I'm going to know, that number one, yeah, the pillar of the scouting the musi must be good, then we're doing development must be good,

and we're going to be able to but, but in the meantime, we, we'll try, like, something a little bit different. But for 2022, we must have done that, that's all. So, so, that we'll try, that's about that's about it's about that's about

Indonesia, because it's for other people, maybe it will work for us too. We'll work for us, too. We'll start, at sea game's level, there's name, Mast Nia Rewolf, in German. One other, there's Felix, he's in Kualumpur, and the two of the two of the German, so we don't know,

we don't know, we'll, we'll say, we'll say, we'll, we're young, they're 18, right? Let's let's let's do them. Now, but I'm not at-hawk, but I'm not yet into naturalization yet. Because, I'm not too far, like, for now. I may change my position, but but but I think,

if I've got to bechaed data, science that we don't need to win in everything, because this is 50 medalli. We've got to look, we're looking at least. We're looking like we're. 175 that's up to be right now I look at least

that's like that's like that maybe kup kupu but dad because if gaya freestyle and backstroke it's how much it's going to be

long as long as there's been anomaly you're more the time your own than normal so I'm thinking

okay let's just have me on this this what name is this, Dada Dupu. and by the way, in 2003, we're just

this is the other than you. This is a man, women, 7 to 13-12-1-19-year-old, okay? So that means, with all due respect, we've got musty to be there, now, how, how, how,

how that? Pari to, 80-20. Now, you still going to have to dwell, but 20-80 to get in. Now, the government has not

renang to, even if it's not everything, but renangu, it's a business of the national 1-day-17, so there's there, and so much. So, we're going to zoom to there, bro. And then I'm going to look, bro, this, bro, this, bro,

open water, swimming. All right, wow, I'm, yeah, the area, said, this must be a swimming pool, Olympic size, and, like, Now, okay, in the meantime,

we're like, for Olympic size pool, open water swimming, don't remember. Because I think, one of the medalline can be able to open water swimming. And, and it's not really

big, but endurance. So, so, things that were a good with, you, yeah, scouting, we're bringing, and then, and then,

and then, high performance. But we're, we're like to beckyre how much more than infrastructure and just like how we can get the best coaches so. So, yeah,

it's, well, this is, the thing that's, likenation, international diplomacy, not only only the, the, uh, the, uh, the, and again, but also in business, yeah, can,

like, what, like, KADIN, APEC, or, what, the World Economic Forum, but, this is it's important, bro. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to be in the hand.

Chairman, I'm going to be part of your financing and investment committee. Oh, ho, thank you very much. That's right. I'm going to look at the two tips from where, so you know, so that you're going to be. It's about investment committee in FINA, because of the robotics.

Now, from there's it, we're getting this, how, how much structure of the money, yeah, can. So, so in-called, to make a support, to make an update. What do we have to do to get there? Now,

that's, yeah, rather, this, what is it's not, look, yeah. But, from there, we can be able to, but, in short, bro, we feel we can do it. We may not be able to do everything.

But if we're up, but if we're going to get a little, bro. 9 years ago, we're not only, yeah, we're doing the number of bata, we're able to. Sumerum up still never able to. Now,

then, this can make this, bro, if this is, then the people, the people, it's really, I love, bro.

Because now, the most, yeah, it's, mehakingin the person, boss. Like, Yeah, boss, but, after that, we're going to be Joseph's schooling.

Yeah. But after that, what you're going to do? Oh, that doesn't matter that. We'll think about it later. That's not that, bro. Now, if it's, it's not. Now, this, yeah, we can't, go, go, go, go.

It's, oh, I don't know, for, what I'm going to be. Yeah, can. Because of, pernang, and, you know, water polo, on cat. Probably, no, bro. Oh, should have ajarin' time of time, bro. If you, if you're like, if I'm in a day, yeah, yeah, can't be in 4.30,

it's not in a lot. I'm in a lot of time. Yeah, because brocita, I'm going to. Yeah, like. Yeah, well, but. I'm not too. I'm baddam this.

Now, that I got a lot more. That's, you know. You, why? You, why, because of homegrown, talent, talent local the top of the top of the last now, now, now, not yet more than you've been,

nutritioning is, well, more good, now, so-called democratize this, we must be so-called democratize this, but at least we're not, we're using database. So, yeah,

we've said, we've said, a database, a lot of the same as far as a database, so that's people, not only from national federation, to love going to apply, because of connection, all the same. Some can input, they've got to performance, bro. In any given, what, name, event or gai. At that, at that, we can't see, but it's not, but it's,

but, it must be able to talk to you know, with Mr. Mr. Mentery, not only mentor, but also education. This is because it's because of the people, bro. Like, people. Don't say people, there's been a bit of penjap, that's going to be able to be able to bea. Because we need a lot of bibit, and it's not enough of bibit, but to be able to bea bit,

but this is like an outlier kind of game, all you need is five good guys. Oh, that's been to buy five, at 10. You, if you can't get three medalli, in Brisbane, yeah, in 3rd, Paris, 2004, LA, 2008, that's gile, that's gile, that's. That's my mujid jacet,

I mean, miracle. Because, so, it's all hanging fruit, anguplas, panahan with, and, akk,

and the other, the other, other, there's one other, the hanging fruit. Slantar. That's right. I was a bit more than tipi

that's one of the top, or surfing, serving. Serving. Serving. This is a lot of relative, yeah, you only

only need in laudette every day. Yeah, bettun. You want to take it 150 or 1.90 or 2.10. It matters, but not as significant like Renan and he has to he has to make sure

2008 in LA he already he would be able to do two to four prime medalli murah

rough really yeah and I and I'm too commentar that this

is very underappreciated this this cabang olarag that has made you know not? Louis Hamilton

in Bali in a little bit of Ulluatu only to be able to serve in the other you know, you not peru Bufu in Indonesia but Lewis Hamilton F1 too, he's just a week

in a quarter, in any, this because slantchar, he's one in there. Chris Hamsworth, every year to beaulah. And then, Kelly Slater,

and the, who, who, who, who, Mark Holland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a week, two Bally.

Hanying only for surfing just. And this, if I'm in front of my God, jam, a cabang oloraga, wow, if we can't be able to hang, run, surfing, the tankis,

panana, and with the kajir, the podium, that. Yeah, it's, it's, from 330 medalli

that, feeling is, if we can get 10, yeah, in 10-a-a-old-old, yeah, in a good target, like, yeah, how, how, how, what, yeah, what, what, that's really interesting, this,

argument very much so, for, what, serving, yeah. This, there's gingsy-gensian, too, yeah, right? Yeah, can, we're allharaggaining, same, yeah, like, we're, We want to get ASEAN, yeah, to G20, and what I'm like, to, yeah, to G20, and, what, what,

implication for social, what, right, that's huge, and I think, yeah, what that's the experience, bro, in, what, Burtangkis? Udh, borgh, it's, that, that's a little bit, that, that you are already almost there, that, you're already almost there,

that, you were, we've done system sponsor. System sponsor, to do you do collective. We've got to be able to

individual. Collective, that means, you want to fall, you get it almost same. So,

we're getting from sponsor, we're back the rata. So you, so you, so you, get,

that you, then, then I'm doing the individual, so, the sponsor, can be

I'ma bit. I'ma this, oh, wow, that's just like, yeah, about 5 pager, it's just like, you know, right? And, that's the one, the system sponsor, which I'm, I'm think I'm not structural.

Two, we can't we can't make of it. It's important, you know, but... Penting, bro, you, if you're when you're gonna be able, you, moan-mafav, yeah,

because you're just the end up to dole, that's the good for the good. If you're going to be able, double to gander, you need to collaborate. So, the second, IQ, the second one, the first,

the same. The same thing we've done is PO2 max, how you can't get covered. If you blue-tangis, that's, who, that's menututut can rubber set.

Seringk, wow, wow, one, two, two, one. Set two, one. Now, you know, you've got to be able to get ridgiveness. If you're going to bellow. So, we'll see if O2MXs'n't the up to 60. Soapy you, the, um, with the recovery of your, too, beckonan. Now, if that's okay, that's the thing.

of the whole, but tunduptuant and everything we're sultan but also, though we're doing, from collective to individual then we're doing. Then we're just handpick that we're handpick

who, Ysan Molana, Anthony Ginting with Jonathan Christie. That's so, the putry, the first,

yeah, we're, we're d'AX, and, Sandra Asan, and, and, I'm going to run you

because this data science everything. Yeah, like that, bro. Like, what name is? Moneyball. Moneyball. Moneyball. Yeah, moneyball, right.

Yeah, money ball, right. And, just sure, we didn't reinvent the wheel. We, we know, we don't know. No, that's top, to. Thinkerin, today, can, Keseatraan, witherangang and with the bestilance. Yeah, right?

You check the, B.O.2, that, The second is the other than the sponsor? Sponsorahua Max and the ceddasan. IQ. IQ, you know, you know, if you're not. If you're not, because you're just,

like, if you're going to be renang you. You know, you're maybe to try the sudut that. But in general, yeah, that's true, if this, endurance. It's interesting.

And, and, even, if it's the reason for, to get, yeah, yeah, that's not the

tabang olaker that you want teakunin, yeah. But one other, bro, one, two other than what, about the IQ. Level education, like I don't think we tried IQ. Level education is,

the aspirations, if you're, if you're going to, if I talk to people, you know, if, if, if I'm going to be a-nang, it's been kind, but, so, I'm not sure about that, but... But, but... But, the big, the amount of the menacea-annibal,

and well-educated and well-off. Yeah, yes. Middle-class, like, at least. Yeah, yeah. If you, if you're not all of the middle class to be it's not many the middle low. So that's the main thing. And also, yeah, it's like that day, bro.

About 180 million people. We need to have good big bits, like, aquitle of. Maritime. Yeah, maritime. This, the people who still, there. Because of the water swimming, we can do something, blah. this is almost like inspired by your story thaty, that's slantir, right?

Yeah. Wow, slantir, I'm, I'm, go call option. Yeah, can? I'm going to be there. And yeah, relative, yeah. You not perlue. Yeah, if you're going to travel, competition international,

I'm going to be ASEAP. Sometimes, in Hawaii just. But if you blow tankis, Copenhagen, where there's flight that's from Copenhagen, right? Thenh, right? French, Belanda, Canada,

that's much. It's a lot more. It's not. You're going to be to America, like you Rupa, right? From Australia. One, bro, I'm going to ask you.

This is we're playing with the ideas. Taddy, we talked, there's two, right? First, Tad, T'amak, wejaya, okay, the APN, we must see look, yeah, we must see it too, like, again,

too, gang, that's not bohong, And the two, co-schooling, to give-a-schooling to do, but for beauty, right? Now, but we're not, bro,

if you can convince what the name-names, yeah, of course, yeah? Because it's not a levy, it's not a lazy. Maw-Maw-maw, no,

you know, you're not, you're not, you know, nimb up, on the column, in Kohl-in-N-N-N-A-N-N-A-N-N-B-Pek-Betrerere , bro.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the way is it's the way to be able to be it's the well, you can't get in America, you if you're in America,

you're going to be able to the getarance in the colam, that. You, if you, if you're if you're not in one minute, 100 meters, yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, right, yeah,

yeah, that's standard that's, you're, that's, 100 meters. Yeah. And what, yeah, competition's right here's right. In here, if we're going to bring competition,

we must be in gomonging, get, let's make, you know, what, namay, there's, there's a lot of, and then there's, you know, the festival aquatic, that's where in there, it's, so, it's,

so, it's the way, the way, right, same time, yeah, that's a lot, the ad hoc, playing with the data, but, but, people, Indonesia, and it goes to your narrative,

at least if they're in the world, kind of care-kira, yeah, kira-kira, kind of America and Australia this, kira, probably not be able to bea-increous, bro. Yeah, right? Don't beckery. And, renang, it, yeah, you can still do a good job in school.

It's right, sook, okay, yeah. Australia, is good, program aleragana, all across, and more deep. But if you're going to to try excellence

yeah, maybe America. Yeah. Yeah. To be able to end upto people are because they're

quite homogenous in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Bro, we've got about many. Geopolitic, entrepreneurship,

the family, and, pediggan, sustainability and oleraga. Benang-merhnappes.

Yeah. Yeah. Probably what, probably, bro, because it's from the latter-belakang entrepreneurship. The first, yeah, at the end of the day, maybe coming back and technolog, how to do more with less. So I'm thinking, it must be creative,

cerdas, that's the same, the same name's collaboration, but essentially, whatever you do, or business-as-activism, yeah, we must be it's-it-a-n't-niquir-created, what we've got-punit, and how do we work things out? The second, I see, I'm looking, you know, what I'm going to be resilient, yeah,

because Armao-blank, fail fast, fail big, fail early, whatever, but must be you've got to gel-up. Because one thing for sure, you definitely, you'll definitely, you'll definitely. You've got to succeed, definitely. And then you fall again. And then you fall again.

Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah, that did, but, yeah, that was the way, right? Now, why I, I'm bad at work under Godder by, by saying, gila, you spend too much time, this, in a russan, what, la, like, tech-economic forum.

I said, if, if, not, not only jarringan. Who's going to control the narrative? We have their own narrative. And it's not like we're sad. We should have a lot to do. So, yeah. So, yeah.

And at the end, you just have to be, hopeful, optimistic. I mean, humble. And then we talked, bro. This thing will pass if it's got today. And, yeah. Don't settle for anything. but you are your dream.

Thank you, bro. Thank you for your time. Onward and upward. No. Honored to be here. Likewise. Yeah. That's,

An India Bakri from group Bakri. Thank you. This is N-G. This is Endgame.