Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - ‘Bapak Satelit Indonesia’: Kita Harus Bangun Industri Antariksa - Adi Rahman Adiwoso

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:https://books.endgame.idSudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes------------------Semua tahu kekayaan alam yang ada di dalam dan di atas tanah air Indonesia. Namun siapa benar-benar memahami sejarah, kekuatan, dan potensi kita… di ruang angkasa?Endgame menghadirkan Adi Rahman Adiwoso, pimpinan Pasifik Satelit Nusantara, untuk membahas ekosistem antariksa di Indonesia dari perspektif industri.Adi secara khusus menekankan pentingnya kedaulatan antariksa bagi Indonesia. Ia juga menerangkan besarnya peluang ekonomi luar angkasa (space economy) jika dapat dimanfaatkan secara maksimal.Sebuah topik yang undernarrated, tetapi sangat penting untuk dibahas.#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #AdiRahmanAdiwoso------------------Episode lain yang mungkin Anda sukai:https://youtu.be/1eD_sZEzSCAhttps://youtu.be/woPxrqw4-qYhttps://youtu.be/6BMIM5iwI9s------------------

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we're not putting a PD, because we have a industry, yeah? Hello, my, man, we're the time. And today we're in Bapak, Adi Rahman, Adiwoso as a founder and pinpinan of PSN or Pacific satellite

Musantara. Bro, Mas Adi. Thank you. Yeah, bro. Satak. Tell you, yeah, masa keel.

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It's a long story. It's about it's about it's about it. Maybe if you're looking at least, I'm going to be able, yeah. I guess I was going to be able to. Not because he's ketua. Jama'amakas in Somerang. So, yeah, he's did did give himmenaned

Pasucan, cadang of officers. Because that's a friend of the SMA, But but he, but he's after Indonesia Dukkah, the same General Jatikus, all, did ask to, want to be able to learn because of U.S. H.S. M. A.S. I. I.S. I. I. Pili. He wants to do not. He's not. He did not

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because when it was there was a boat to beaubank, in the middle of the middle of it, there. Mya's my age of, what, maybe, the time of the, what, what name, what name, Russia and America, Soviet Union, and Mexico, that's back,

that's, I was to give, made, carnavall, the, what name, uh, cosmonaut. Um,

for a year, there's portrait, so, so, I'm, Slah Sputnik. Yeah, Stah Sputnik,

maybe, 57, like, like wiki-toky, with all kinds of, with a helmet, they've been from paper. If you, if you're, I'm going,

wow, what happened? That's like, so, that, so, that, so,

there, here, here, here, almost one, I'm basically ,

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lucuia, every time I was back to I, in Swedenia, in Baja, I was Swedish, so, my first language was Swedish. So, then to Cairo, there's a school in Indonesia, now, then I'm going to go to Syria. So it's very difficult time.

But, but then, to come back, to go to India, London, and then, then, then,

then, and then, then, life, to be used to be used to with people, not,

not, not, not, not, not, not, not, value,

value, from, people, people, people, people, that's and

and there's not gurus'u-gurunes also different cultureing I'm different I'm music I don't know I'm, I'm musical

I'm used to know Ambrosius Mozart and all the same in the way of the school of German, thenal the history of Europe that's so that what's the dynamic,

so, then, after Pange Doolhur, that's also a new year. So I was going to do with a lured, Bruder Honor, and I was in class two SMA. He said,

if you're not sangue in PL, I'd turn in one class, so class two ESMA, the report, the first, Mara myra, I'm the world Mara, I'm sure,

when I was D, I'd be able to be able to 10, but men'll be able to listen to this, then I'm, oh, I'm not sure, I'm 7, okay, I'm safe. Now, then, then, then, then, then, America, the, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, la, there's, so, so,

so, so, because because of Europe because I'm in Europe if I'm in America, I'm part-time. So, so I'm going to keep the longah

that's if I'm in Indonesia, I'm going to say, so much, yeah. So, independence becomes one body And then I'm I'm under the

the University and I'm going to that's when I'm going toesan't why I'm able aeronautics and aerospace that, when IA.S. I was just a lot of dutte-bassarer, that the U-Darra. He just only had only the child of a man, and he's

like he pernobank. So, he's going to be able to beck. So, I'm going to ask you to be able to be. So that's it's it's it's that's up. Um, what I'm, um, um, um, the time,

I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, yeah, there's, there's, um, come back

my case, man, he, he, he was, he was, he was, he,

he, he, maintenance engineer in, uh, Kati, Pacific, by the,

that, long, long time, so, so, compounding, that, yeah,

B'an, B'an, the, , So, so interesting, yeah, at the time, yeah. So I'm going to be aeronautics airspace. Now, they're able to be able to university. Keddinginan, because that's in Indiana.

No, no, no, no, the power of course, yeah, the time of it, so. So, how much, so. Before, never, never been able to. No, there's. Then, then, after me, I'm going to bea, And then, then, one day, I was done with five semester. So, the semester the last year

it, it's jatucketember, December. Now, I was, when I was trying, to try summer job, yeah, I'll have to try to do it. So I'd be taught him to doze. Now, Hughes, at the time, that's the other than what I'm like that. From the time,

I'm hitting interference from the microwave that's here. So, again, from there, I'm going to know space. Now, the puttuland, by the time I was, I was under in S2, in several universities. Yeah, and I'm at all thex,

Stanford, MIT, Princeton. Now, then, you know, that I'd be taken me, they'd give us to have given. Asol, bali, work. No, yeah? They're not, not, that's. But they're saying, if you're going to, so, they're going to be able to,

yeah, musi, musi muda, did give up, and, it's just a gampang. It's just, so, end, I'm going to be able to sabbatic leave to do it. After that, after that's in school,

and in the time in Caltech, because in the area of Los Angeles, Greeteria, and can't work 20 hours a week. If I'm at MIT, the snowing's 1 meter or Stanford, musty try to live, then,

the problem, blah, blah, like, so I'm going to, I'm going to, so I'm doing. But, I'm not, but I'm not, yeah, at that time, I'm not, at that time, I'm not,

I don't know the difference, anything. They're good schools anyway. Damn good school. Yeah. I was looking at some, oh, man, and I think it's nice. Yeah. Mineski and stuff, it's nice. Getska, not even ski there.

Cuma just a shower only. But then, yeah, then, it's all the same. But I'm not. But I don't know how much our people, we're young, we're meddick. We're ename. And everyone's school in the other country, but everyone's up to learn. Tidapen.

Tried not ever to be able to be able to be able to... Why? Not comfortable just, yeah. While upon, when I'm uprored 28, I back, 29, that's 21-torn, I lived in the world of the country. And I'm not as well...

So, that it's... It's... ...itoward process green card, process citizenship, because I've done like to work on different different industry in Heusercraft also. So I'm into say you to think. After one week, I'm going to go, I'm going to come.

If I'm going to come. If I'm noty, I'm too late. But he, the person is very wise. You're going to come to Indonesia. I gage six months. So I'd give him to Indonesia to gage in six months.

If you come back Wow. He retired. He's a new year to be retired professor at MIT. And the other people who back salis is one of my my basic concern my mentor. So,

I'm going to be nice to human. It doesn't matter from where and all the same and there's a lot of things. He doesn't have got to interest I'm so I'm backeroyed by the other than I'm interested in Indonesia

I'm thinking very much I'm thinking in Indonesia and my career in Malaysia start that sorry interject this is more because this is the way this one or because

the world car in this it's challenging Very challenging. I was very challenging. I was either bekerjia at telecom when you have been a satellite or do something. Tantangamity that's going to be...

Yeah, and I know that if I'm gouged in Indonesia, I can always file a job. For some reason, I've never kept a lot of a job. I'm out of a job. I'm very, maybe, if I've seen, I've already 70 years, Two of the PEDA go to the GEDAW.

If I'm not supposed to, I'm going to be petanee. So I'm not going to be afraid. So I'm not going to beacut from the camera. And I know that if I'm going to come back to America or to comeana, I've been to advisor British Harrow Space and stuff like in between time. So for me, it was nothing to lose. I can be free. That's the free and

challenging. to be free, it's challenging. Technology company in Indonesia, startup, startup, 2008, doesn't exist in the Republic of Indonesia, can't.

Worker of a certain, and, again, we can, specialized computer, uh, begor-tall, mesin tabanas.

The computer application, that's now, maybe people's the time that's the time every time I've been able to the whole every time I'm going to beaubot in Indonesia, I'm going to, that's a small. And that's...

Totally indigenous. Totally indigenous. And, that, when, that, young, young, oldusan ITS, and stuff, and then,

I'm, brawny, you, sir, what do I have to lose? Try it. Now, the answer it is. Yeah, it's not.

Oh, but but abaculur, but but back up but also. But what's why it's not a lot of industrialization in Indonesia, to, not kental with manufacture, like, Taiwan, Korea, Taiwan, China, Tokyo, America. I hate to say this. The people are Indonesian, the like, shortcut. It's the world.

If we're not only I'm going to think of the same but more than the same carbidant it takes time it takes it takes, what, it takes, uh,

kirkugunan, uh, to gagalan, uh, jatoo-bangun, but, it's just on a sideline just on a sideline just a

I'm a petanee. I'm a petanee. I'm 20 years. I lose money. Only last eight years I make money. But, I can make money from the land

five hectare. I can. I have, I, I'm saying I'll give, yeah. Buha Marquisa, manis. Not there's

not, no, not, not promosy, but all fresh with them to take, anything I produce, they can't have enough supply. Wow.

So, it's... Babbuck, bell, you know, try, try, and I have to know, the landanness like what,

the worldannes like what, and it's pretty, oh, try, this, gag, yeah. But, I think, now,

look, if you can, if you can, if there are, people, pension, I'm going, don't,

don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, you're just,

I'm going to 20 years before you know. I'm going to try. I'm going to get to make sure you can. Because not even you can't. Cabe or bawang, and he's not, he's not, they, not. so.

So, so I see, to have, to have, to have core, inti, something, takes time, yeah.

If we, if we look, people who are people who can, the many natural resource, Natural resource. Yes. If they don't have national resource.

Korea doesn't have natural resources. Yeah. That's... But they're... But they're able to make mobile, motor. It's a lot of... You know, when it was a bubura-a-a-bub-a-bub-ur-a-bub-ur-a-cure-a-cure-a-could. It's just, just the weekend, he...

...perggy to restaurant, make it-enant. They're not... ...the-one... ...the-you... ...the-cina... ...the-the-inigran... we've got to see inigrant in America. They're making petaping.

The second stage, what is it? So, so they're doing. But they're still working with time of time. Forge, they're still inmate. Now, now, the other thanac-in-a-nac-in-a-cina-it-school-a-buhrer. Now, kre-tenth, they're about, they'd bea-hire-buy. No, you see. Industrialization.

Industry, confidence-in-a-know-hout-ty-ty-ty-ty. Confidence is how how if you don't know how you know how you, you're about menutupy the kakuranga if you're a politician

did tutupe in the people. But if you have core you, you, not any tithupe you, you're, you're,

you're, you're, I'm going to, you know, because to, To beape to beaugh, not there,

but there's still to beaure, and goagy, tenacity, commitment, yeah, apocke it. So, people always say, oh, do, the, a manac,

young, gina, gina, gina, not there, kestepotan, I've got to, I've never, I created. Not to, I'm going to,

I'm going to be called to Indonesia, There's no one of the company, Antarica Zero. The only one is the Ejerk, to work in telecom, or worked in a lot. So, for me, I think. Not, not much, the people.

Why? Why, why come? I'm not going to Indonesia? Sorry, yeah. Yeah. Now, this, this, I want to take, more structural, more structural, yeah.

You're product from, maybe, someone, who's not a person who can't unyuntic, ambisies, and imagination. Apakal, it's guru, or aunto, or mom, or someone, or who, back back to,

we've got to long longinged before, the power of course. Oh, guru? Not can't be underestimated. I'm just to you. So, until now, I, too, I'm always

make sure a student-in-tem with friends'-temens. I, S.D. Class 3-s. S.D. Class 3-7. Trenata, guru's ha, because I washd in 12-class-6, because of the age of 10, 12-12-tah, he's about from school school.

Now, after I, I did say, after that, he was able SH. So, jac-sat-tingy. So, now, he's not really, and the world's, the only-year-oldy, still still. At least, he's still, in-situ, he's not. When, he's, he's-gared, because he's just, yes, because he's-gmy-a-a-a. But I'm he's now from the area

from the school school guru to goofsha and then he's upronged his own and now I'm very

he's very he's very he did it he did it that he did it that he's the life that for me

that for me than I'm more than I'm from the time I'm from the time Now, there's, there's, there's, I'm just trying guru guru, guru hasing my, that's in school,

um, okay, la, but no, there's, but no-a-a-an-a-a-a-a-old. The, you know, school that's-a-same-a-law-law, at the time. With the, among the people-lawful, while-do-lure-old-out, now, maybe, maybe a bit. Aga-bbed, yeah. Wachtu. Wacht, we got, yeah.

If we're ribut. If we're going, if we go. Not a number of, the urusan, you rankingia, or not there. We're not, we're going to be able to be around. And, in the same. Oh, bribue to be around school of other. Oh, brantam to schoola line. Brantam all over there, they're not doing it. Yeah, it's the way, but in the way.

But, but, but, to, I'm going to be able to, what, what, name, called her, but do notherst, I'm going to ask you. I'm going to putt to go to rally. If you're going to go ahead. Yeah, well, I'm going to, but then,

the strap's up to say, I'm just down 30, to my, time time 3. But, but, do you know, so, by 2, with my friend my

my friend say, this, we're doing with 3rd 100, because, 1,000, the word, It's not much It's like that's

private less from Ruther 100 Now But he's He was He was He was making For me

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Phisica Haljabar, there was Gosswin, Wouin, that washington, that was that, And even from church, I'm relatively much as well as well. But it's made a different interpretation of the world.

So, that, it's a model big that I'm trying to nominate. I'm going to be able to say, to come to the part. I.S.A. I. I.S. 1........................................................................................................... ................ ............ One, one at MIT, but at Pardipurdy. Yeah, all.

Great school. Yeah. Okay. It's a good school. But, but, yeah, Indonesia, every time, only can't produce 250,000. Product STEM. Tyeongk.

4-5-Juta. India, 2,000. Asia, Tengara, 75,000. America, 800,000 per time. And what you have to charted in here is, if you know in Tengu, Chongqing, Shanghai, Talian, Wuhan, Beijing, that quality-outherstall. But if in the country, you can game the system.

So if we're school in Papua with school in Jawa, it's probably better, pendidikers. It's. It's, too, quite the amount of the way. in the if, if, if, it's, it's, it's very correlates

guru, who can't muting imaginations and ambition. If you, if you're not,

try to landat on Mars. It's just. Guru, it's just putugasken to Papua, the agamia

is siksaan. Yeah. Not a, some commitment to to makeembang our friends

our, soda, said, in Papua. stigma that that's still that's still so I'm like to

I'm like making badar-antariksa in Biak of Natural-Lang Now the the people not people

from the people at the biak that bekerja in SpacePort it or Bandar-A-Rixa that's hat mom. no, no, no,

the papangy here's now okay, the sonagny that has been to be made, but he's nothersts, so yeah, that he's the center of space excellence in Indonesia, Dibia.

If not, I'm not, I'm not, we're going to agap a different attitude to be Papua. No, Papua is our

citizen, our brotherhood, If it's too, if it's hard for the physically. But if we're in the heart of our hearty our space center like Kennedy Space Center, like Kennedy Space Center, that's killing, out of create industry, people, work on there. And it's going to take maybe 20 years.

But it's always there. If you're not, yeah, And the commitment as a good-kish-k-one this is not-un-quered. This is with bifurcation between NASA

and private. To-de-pend, to, for Antar-Rexha in Indonesia, the better more than the government, or hybrid, or

swastah. This is, leaders in Indonesia that make-a-mett-a-an-a-an-a-tah-a- it's very small. Yeah. The most of the most of the Auxa,

the most of the same is the same. The same is the same thing. But they're, the sameatness, the siphateing is asan. Sedgant, the world antarxat in the world, it's more controlled by the private sector.

How the best and the brightest? They're not going. Now, if you are the best and the brightest, that is aerospace industry in America, not can't work in NASA. Alan Musk paved the way. Bezos paved the way, much, much, people are paved the way.

Tom Mueller paved the way. Somewomenupe paved the way. Now, no, aerospace engineer who will be the last thing. It's, during, 20, 20, 20, 30 years old working in NASA, because of NASA, you probably play more like,

more than the best talents to SpaceX. The less good to NASA now, the best talent to create their own. Yeah. If you got SpaceX,

they got burned out. People get to be able to SpaceX not long. Because it's space work and work really, but they're having talent. So,

They have core competence that they're and said, I work in SpaceWax, I'm going to create something new. Datang, that's. Now, maybe, we're going to do you, Andrew Horowitz, Peter Thiel, and all the much. If you're looking startup that's the series C, it's pasty series B, series A, it's already Peter Tleau and A. PayPal, Mafia.

Yeah. And that's, they're all right, benerreux. Spending it's And it's big, the aerospace industry it's quite. Now, the way

Europe can't start from running. It's out from, which is true, in Europe, it's the per-belar-two. The Salatan and the north. Selatan, it,

there's a airbus, there talus. There, ESA, government. We look Nordic. Nano avionics, Kongsburg, GOM space,

space inventor in Latvia, in Norway, now they're breaking away. In one Finland, Finland, is because synthetic aperture radar satellite

that's one of the best in the world. It's from Finland. And they cut the price. Dhabi, because at the Uyrbos, Sarsar it was $120 million, one satellite, now the ISI from Finland

sold it for $20 million. Same capability. So, it's it to be parturisation in Europe and in Europe, and the German, it's more peccasah, there. There's, because, Dasa, Dosayoros, they're in the airbus.

They're not going to have been OHAB, now create new one. In India, in India, also did release, Kere 3 years ago. Gengaman Isro that was

now there's in-space. So, in-space, that's, that's, the industry, not Israel again. Industry is not

NASA-N-N-N-SP agency that's that the main-space agency. That's the commercial side. And Modi come up to private sector. Now, there are a lot of the start-apeutus. We've got to India to start-uping.

Start-up is, this is. May make satellite. And satellite's different. I thought that satellite is big. Satellite small, now is very, very powerful. With chips that are, with all the such. And people doesn't want to have a satellite. because cycle technology is quickly.

So if we're making satellite now, like we've been to launching the last time, maybe five years from now, we have to rethink the benefit the the amount. So, so, why can't make satellite 10 years?

You know? I'm not going to use the HP that five years ago. No, no. To the next. To be more, Leo, or Gio? Leo, more.

I, I'm not, now, now, we're very low orbit, VOL, VL. So that's right now,

continuously propulsion. That's the other than that's not quite that. That's not quite that. And not susa making satellite, not will, not susa. What else is for Indonesia, not be able?

No, no. Absolutely, not there. Do it? No. Hulus? Engineer? Can't get it? Yeah.

So, for five For the time, import talenta from outside. No. Local, it's enough. We're still in PSN that basically local. Yep.

Not there, people are people. I'm going to be buggin'a just. If you're saying, this, PSN, I'm in the young, in the above 30 years. Lurusan German,

Luson, Russian, Russia, Russian, American, Sousalian. Now, there's three my wife who's my name is a couple of

one in, what name is, Baihong University in Hangeau, one in Berlin Institute in Berlin, one in Georgia, Taek.

But, but for being able to be in India. Oh, Jouk. In fact, Jok,

infrastructure we're not there. This, this is in this is need to putluckment. So, if I'm going

to make rocket, One is so easily, it's so easily, it's commercial, military side. Apopun, fueling is, is, it's basically bad badadegh, that's basically it. Flammable and detonation, yeah. Now, this industry military our industry is basically by women.

And with all due to come and women and all of them, they're seeking project. Not creating an industry. So, continuation. Yeah, like, it's a continuation

trying to find. This only, this is the price price of this room. It's not. Now, for GPS it's,

if we can qualify GPS chip, space qualified is $3,000. When it's been it's coming Garmin, the carder is $800.

Bongar how much $800. is a chip from Sony 50 cents. That's the name's the name is the landmass how much, what are you? Idiot, what are you? Idiot factor.

At least half a cent, they're sold 3,000. The idea factor is 6,000 times. So, we have to look at the idea factor that's up by we're cutting the cost. We always use first principles. Yeah, not. Yeah.

He doesn't believe rules. and always, he has it like that, he has to know what, why is it like that? He has to be it. He has been able to be able to be it. Continuation, once again, sometimes is not there. There's, again, again, again, again. And so much industry a certain continuation

So we'll get Oh, we're going to make Opticals I'm going to Yes, military will need that But we don't look at military We'll look at what other commercial

To benefit If it can't If it can't continue If commercial can be sustainable than the project yeah One, one, one, one. So if not even

We have to make up the market So if I'm like that, I'm going to make satellite Okay, PatiWosso, how do you know, X, like market not there's been before.

Yeah, like, I said he said Steve Jobs, when he asked with John Scully, about, what, name is, what, iPhone? Not that, music that's a little,

iPod. iPod. It's sure to make market study, right? Yeah, no, no, there's not. There, no, no, market study.

Not there. It doesn't exist, yeah, how I make market research, He's kind of I've been I've been my best research my daughter you know what she likes

So I'll get you know what she likes. So I'm not ever using technology Antarctica to make make uperactivity Now it's a big

market So, we how do we what we harvest? What name to harvest? So, agriculture

is kind of no weather station or not know what, this is what, if, if we can be portrait

with multispectral and we can verifyification, to beaerifur, if this, if you're in 10 years, 5 days in the 5th of the panning. Soing, then, then you'll be mapping in the United States. You'll pannin'a now. What's just to be.

Yeah, like, the banal national is, so much. Mar-Narlam, marit, like, so. Set, when they're, before the next day, we take picture one week ago and picture now. We've got to do. We've got damage that's already now. Soingga, what name name name, what name, what name name, this location, location, we're looking, right?

So, what name name, though. Pasti, this, this, the most part-paren't this, the problem. There's there's the one, the next day, you've got to deploy your troops and the right position and the light location. Now, secondly, possibly they need to give communication.

So, the house, they're going to give communication. Communication is power. So you have to put fuel and you have to put generator. That's the first thing. To be able to provide law on conditional awareness

in there, the top, from there. From there, we're from, the first awareness, to watchable awareness, uh,

try, uh, people need to help. And then, the day of course there's, uh, emergency deployment.

The day, they're, they're, they're lapa. And, and, and, so,

and, space, too, so, so much, yeah, and, yeah,

and we can, now is the time to deploy people there, with, with, with the, imagining,

we have the other than the other than that's so, right. Now, we'll massang electric, everything, or passing the tank, on the side, must be not stable, right? That's not in the city,

you just use space as an image. And resolution is pretty good, it's still about, because now, can't know, and so much. So, so interpretation of now.

So, I see that we can make a separate, like, like that's right now. On the ground. Paddy, in the radar, the radars, matangue how much, if you're going to be able to get up, if you're going to beaum, like, so at any time, how many times,

how many productions of rice, how many productions, all we can't know that. That's all very simple. This is, this is, that's justalizant. But how much

to make the industrialization? Yeah. So, yeah. So, we're... Yeah. So, we're saying, I'm naked or how much. We'll make a sunlight.

We do this. We're doing this. We're still in the world of the degree. We now have Nvidia GPU. For image processing in our company, we spend a lot of money on that. Wow. To make make product,

product this, Bigging, but now. Now, many things that we're looking at microweather, we have 18 stations in Indonesia, and it's a high frequency. So, if we're in the rain satellite so that's the traffic that's been,

traffic's in dispersed. For us, we need to predict the weather in the next 15 minutes, 20 minutes, an hour. Tadine, we had data BAMKG, not-a-G, not-a-g-g-g, not-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ccccccccccccccc. So what we do, we take pictures from all the world. Wow. Now, we can predict within one hour, two hours, four hours.

Wow. And after 15 minutes before the rain happens, we've already rearranged traffic. Wow. That doesn't exist in the world. Because frequency tingi di di di-tropis. We have to probably the one other view. And again, we create that. And we don't.

We're going to start-marked. This, if you're going to scale, now, now, now, the time you want, what? Tried, for we, for we're going, internal. Tambang, we want, hutsan, MENT, so, if we're still, if we can predict,

that we can predict, we can predict, we can predict, we can't predict, but we're in the area, data, the area that we have AI is very, very powerful. Now, accuracy our accuracy our own 92% Wow.

This is the amount of Indonesia? We're just about, 20-an, can? Oh, for what? For what, this? For what, this? Forkastly, for what?

We don't even have one. We don't even have one. Now, okay. Now, okay. Now, we have satellite communication. Okay. We have PSN has three. So for the key for the picture that's because of the raw data

Degas, finesse picture. You don't have the algorithm. So we're now making. Wow. We've got to make satirite, we're making algorithms. Just do it. Because we're looking that with algorithm, we can do many things in this. So space is an enabler, very, very powerful enabler,

it's a lot of work. And that value is high-y-sacquare. Now, it's the World Economic Forum that, space can multiply up to 11 times, effect multiplier. So I see, if we're stupid, we can have five times multiplier, it's huge. So that's the way. I'm like that I'ma about about about about about about about about I feel lonely

I have to ask you this what keeps you going? Because gila, from 80s, 90s, now that's in 2002-2005 you're the only one loner, can? I'm not sure what I keep going on just every day or every morning I see

challenges and one-one I take just not there's something that I'm, I'm sure, that's not sure, so that's right. So, if I'm going, I'm sure, we can do it.

Sorry, more than... I'm more than... I'm not. I'm more sure. I'm more sure. Okay. Tatananan's,

it's the task I, now, make convince that anyone who's policy, that Indonesia is It's nothered. Not only nurtured.

But the bahcuhn't evener but intellectual power. The power is already. In the brain, it's already, in the place we're in place we're in universe, there. Tingal how we're going to beerackan. So, we're in a lot of one cusp to make, yeah.

Now, now, if the government, you know, I'm looking that this is an opportunity. Now, the problem is now.

What's opportunity? Satellite optic it was, the price $50,000, $60,000, $60,000,000, $15,000.

We can afford an error. Now, want not the government that risk. Or, you know, just how, how the people are

that the planarioning we can't make the industry in the country, they're going to take the risk, so they're not going to

get to be the play play the plan. Yeah, again, case like, like, like, I have to

create a market to, that. The part of the country to come, kind of the economy, it,

it's just be real. ingredients there. Decision to do that with the paint, there's not a rocket will fail. Many times. That's the story. But who who has

have independent access to space. Now, India is, now, there's a startup. He has only with 100-cuita-US-dollar can make a rocket flying. Reusable? No. Reusable?

is a tough one. It's small, small, small, but not rocket that's like space falcon nine, but we have to go to Leo. We have to move to go to Leo. And it again, people who are only, just only discipline can't for really, this is actually, uh,

rocketry is can be for, what, what, name, commercial civil in use, we have military user, dual use is, yeah? Space is dual use.

If the if the government says if the military has been like this kind of commerciality, they'll be

using, they'll be dual-use, I think, if there's this makes sense really, for for the national.

And this, we're not, we're not we're talking billion dollars. We're talking continuously funding. I say,

what level? 10, 15 million a year, continuously I can afford $15 million a year. Very easily. KAPEX's newbMN, jave, it's a lot.

Continuously. Tadigntar. T-Kolomater, now, in one kilometer. But if now, the military, I want, I'm going to be like enemy of the state. That's billions and billions and billions of dollars. We're not going to get there.

And no other than that capability not going to sell. That capability is not going. Just to be clear, this, this is to be clear. This is, to be clear. And indigenously. There's from here.

There's part that we buy from South Africa, from here. We're integrated. Great. Now, when we get integrated, the computer is, because of the brain on-board computer,

OBC. It's the brain. So, want to make in sensor what? That's how to handle the thermal, batteries,

kind of, transmission, all that. That's internet. Inundish, 8, it's done three.

And they will live long time. So, But it's proven it's been given it's been given this this is primary

need. Now, when the government this, more than you, want to import from here.

If you, there, there, there, there, there's permittance export

credit that's $2.3 billion U.S. dollar to buy satellite. That's a lot of money if we

that's more than enough. More than enough. And talk about two things. China, Europe, India. The other than they're going to be competitive.

America is space, yeah? Antaricza, yeah? Space. America still quite ahead compared to anybody. And the brain is there. But I wouldn't see, China is still maybe, I call it, one generation behind. But, but but, but they're very, very, very fast coming up.

So, so, I'm going up. their drone capability, their AI capability, themongkirkirkirkent their satellites that much more smarter, faster. And they're at, now, with trade surplus a trillion dollars a year, they can do anything they want.

Now, if they're not, it's not, But still, until, the western side. But, there's more than bad, this is more than bad,

this is more than ten. Yeah. But in general, now, startup rocket in China is more than ten. Banyap. Yeah,

more than ten. Yeah, there's been launched. Yeah, many. There's, there that's, there's been used to, reusable.

Reusable. Remarant, that, I was that's about the new space news. In 96 hours, they launched four rockets. Yeah. The four launched site, which is quite an impressive situation. Comearen, Japan launched in H3 failed.

So. Yeah, yeah, not can't be mungkiri, that, China, to, he, production 4.5 million products stem, so on. So, if they're going to musuri, quantum computing, There's a reusable and there's

There's a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, I asked from my friends from America America, the United States, who's very close friend, that he's just a startup. He already raised

almost a billion dollars, not even known. He has been 250 people. Very highly qualified people. Very highly qualified people. So I'm telling, what are you going? I need this, this, this, this,

these people. I'm looking for these people. There are not there. There are people. And now, every day, he's going to 500 to 500, highly qualified people. He has a diesel center in Silicon Valley. Facturing it in Texas. Now, there are some of the other things that he developed.

If they developed in America, it's going to export regime. He'd make a prussan, did Toulouse, he'd bekin in there. So even the American thing. So they are very advanced. But China, they throw people, they throw money, and if their failure rate is 20%, they still can survive. We don't even throw people.

We don't even throw money. I see people in Indonesia, I try to people. I try people in Indonesia, I try people that. Yeah, that's not true. I mean, I, I'm not going to get one, I've got to get one of the women of the of Samara in Russia, he is rocket and missile. There's still. She's working for me.

So, there's, there's, there's, there. But I'm aggris if I'm looking at, what, in China. Gila, juta-an, every year. And America also has been quite You're not yet. If I'm not sure.

If they'll be frogging in a different way. So, now, why, that's the radar of their, that's their, that's, that's, last year, but IHSA, they can track, they can lock multiple

objects, they can still search hundreds of objects. So that radarser's already locked, they must keep looking at the same thing. Quite advanced. Very, very advanced. Now, more advanced than the Russian. So your point is,

with efficiency, the biya that's much, more than than 20 years ago, the keyakiness of you, I'm going to industrialization to be related, not only satellite, but also rocket,

and, this is, this is, this is, this. This is, this is. This is. This is, I'm not necessarily like that,

now it's onkir to space that's more than satellites. Because of the current, rocket in the world is a few theory. Absolutely. So, there are two theories. Theorriinging a rocket that's big a lot. But if you're now now to throw 17 tons, in Leo, how many of the hundred satellites has to go at some time.

You know, man. I make it 400, 600 kilograms. I can control it. I know how to do it. So, we can't even be itchara starship at this. Make it do you do,

that you can't. From there, from there, now, to be it continuously, there's a person satellite, right? Yeah.

Produce it's what? We're 1 per-8 from Ecuador. We're, to 5,500 km per second. We are very large. To say the least. Say the least.

If we're, mashal. If we're now, if we're taking optic, to get a titic if we're taking polar system, that every 30 days. Gila. Berati, you have to have more than 30 solid to do that every day.

If you're equator, if we can't even if we're making Equator, maybe better So, yeah. So, mapping Indonesia is, if we're using the way It's probably a year. If we're putre in Ecuador, it's maybe four-bulon-kel.

So, we're position... Efficientity is. Now, position geographical, we are not in the north and south latitude. Even the orbital dynamic people, If you look, oh, why, you think, aquaator, why not think polar, yeah? Now, it's there a per bedaet equator, satellite equator, satellite polar, is better. Solar sensor, sun sensoriness has been able to be able to.

So those are little things that we have to be it. So, those are little things that we have, idiosyncrasy when we're making. Now, in Indonesia, who, who, who, maybe, who's less than 50 people. We have to get this. We're going to be the number of the number of it. And we'll have to be the satellite equator. This is, if I'm in terms of, it's very much NISTNs.

It's not. So, this is going to. This is going to be. It's going to be archivocin. So, light,itude, we're going to, so satellite we're not puter in equator. He's agate to be it. So it's going to be it.

It's like, it's going to be it. So if it's like it's like it's like it. that's 20 plus plus degrees. 2.8 billion people, pa. If we can create ecotorial system, I don't serve Indonesia, I serve 2.8 billion people. Why can we do it?

You, I'm not asking, where is the market? That's. Station, Bumi, for Leo, for Leo, to Ecuador, that's just has been brine, and in gana.

gila. So, if you're going to bellow ocean, absolutely. I'm very lonely, but sitting on a blue ocean. Oh, okay, okay. This, back again, I'll dig down on this.

You could have given up. You could have gone to the beach. you can pivot make a startup or you know how much to America because of the whole-a-tornly in a space

that not by many people but the value strategistening is that's true just every time I go to my office kind of talk to my office it's crazy yeah what we're doing yeah

but it's so exciting Every morning That's the time that's the time. We're over the same time 34 and 3⁄2 years. There's a 30 years. 25 years.

Very long. Why? Every single day we have a problem. Every single day is a challenge and every single day we have a dream. So this area not, no way

to make a startup. There is more thing to do because there's got there's there's and there's the other than there's people who's hired me I think they're very excited what they're doing suddenly they're making satellite want to make this

we're making, we're making what name's prototyping we're the name's flat set flat set is a satellite on the table function satellite but it's all right And we didn't spend $100 million. And then we're going to be done,

then we're going to be in this, this space qualified, this is going to be made from this. Then it costs millions of dollars. But the original thinking, and that is the people who are kids, so they're making. Every day, they don't sit in the office. They work their bus.

That, for me, that makes me wake up every morning. And I said, okay, I got to do this. And for me, no. For them. This is the center of innovation. Yeah. Karayana has been over the brinkato. Kareem is 10.

Wow. Talk about reusable, rocket tree. How about prospect to the front? And, and who's who will be the main? Okay. We're taking example of Falcon 9. Falcon 9 today is $70 million. $7.0.

If you're a lot of Falcon heavy. No, Falcon Heavy is quite expensive, $120 million. But look at Falcon 9, can, it's a workhorse. How much does it cost to launch your Falcon 9 today? Less than $25 million. Why? Stage 1. It's the one, that's the stage 1.

Stage 2nd is debunk. Stage 1st, it was it. That's the time only got it's about 10xed 40xed. Our year was in the North Carolina Lysan, he made, he's made to 23xed $50 million. He depreciate at 40 is almost 1.5 million. Second stage cost is $3.4 million. So he's left for Bushman cost.

He said all the cost is no more than $20 million, $25 million. He's judging $70 million. Okay. If people, if they're like $20 million, every time. So, he's $40,000,000 dollars and he's charging $60 million. So, he's not going to get-negear,

bottom line that's not going to do the next generation. See, Elon, you know, can't begin that. So everybody is now chasing reusable. Reusable is, it's mengoranging cost. Now, just two, one thing, and reusable. Reusable, it, the, carerine, that, that's not burn all the fuel,

so that's a result of the speed that's maximum. He has to use fuel this to make sure. Now, now, what did give in Jeff Besos, New Glen, Blue Origin, that, Newland, that. Just true, basically, very little burnings. So, he can basically almost depleted. Like that's Sobottombside.

But, more than the same. But more than the starship. Now, the same way-as-able, because they can reuse this bottom line, which is the most expensive. That's the most expensive. It's the same thing.

It's just tank-fueled They're They're like that's They're gonna'embourger Because that's It's the rocket cone that It's from very very special metal

mineral, namenium It costs $2 million dollar Just a cone Because it's a cone because it's heat. heat, but it's not much much better than material. So, they're trying to.

If that, if they're going to be able to, but it's too big, if they're going to be able to, they have to shield, heavy, and all, but all of all but that's all the first thing. It's all they can do the other than they can't do.

The other than they can't try, Blue Origin, to try, and then second stage there's shield so, so the gunna,

it's just the it's just the shield it's. But we'll see to, to lowerang cost. But if if rocket

that's little, rocket that's in the 1 ton, the 700 kilometers many so many people. In Europe, maybe start-up, there are 3-4-biji.

Korea, now, there's inno space. He's in Brazil. In India, there 2. One, the 1st,000 is Skyrout. And in China, there are 4-5 biji. Yeah.

That's mehebate, there's from New Zealand. Yeah. Peterback, that last year, the stock, now it's $30 billion. Gila. And he is not a rocket scientist.

Beto. Yeah. So, so. You know him? Peter Beck. Do you know him? Peter Beck? Yeah, no.

So, Kit'sai, I'm going to copy what he worked on the Mariah launch pad, Bandarant, Trixia, that's on the area. It's only 4.8 hectare. And it's not expensive.

So you're suggesting, the future-a-Rexha-Rex-Indon Asia is more than rocket-reusable. Yeah. Rocket-kechle, it costs $5-6 million. It takes a lot of technology to try to recover $5.6 million. If you can recover $20, $30 million, it's worth a lot of fun. Yeah, maybe one time will be able to be able to be.

For I see, for me, But for 8th, And, really, there's There's something that's about, you do with something available. Can you make a production line, not? Yep.

It's Jiva industry, not Jeeva Reset. So, that's what, so, that's kind of, so, we need. And this is, You asked me why I wake up every morning. Because we can't do you get up every morning.

We can't. You need to do. For everything. Military. Navigasy. Weather. We have weather. Navigasy.

Multi-spectral. Hypopal. Signal intelligence. Domain awareness. Then we're maybe there. Nanty in the future LIDAR. And for signal intelligence just, you have the first little bit more than a formation.

at least three, yeah. So, we're the plan on the first time. To launch a hundred satellite in twenty twenty seven, another hundred in twenty twenty eight. Now, there's been about fifteen to twenty-five, um, from... ...theirc probably twelve thousand, yeah. Because SpaceX, it's startling,

$10,000. But every day, five of them is falling to Earth. This is a risk that's how much? Oh, many. Baja Baxter. It's not going to be able to be able to. If you're going to be able to, it's going to be able to be able.

So, so much, the risk of it. So, yeah, we're going to say September. It's, can, there, APOJ, that, the most part of, jane, you know, is borgiae that's bums. Peri jay, it's on the Bermi. Peri J is 500 kilometers. Every time we hit perjeejee,

there's how dangerous it is. And this is backal the more than, if you're going to be able to be able to... The same person paying is 1.3 million... 1.3 million satellites already at the U. Assume 10% just, it's been able to be...

What, what, the... ...itimawan astronomy, ...bren'ty kreact. They cannot see the sky. Not because of the sky like that's gotasgow. Yeah, if they're looking at least garis, garis, garis, garris, so. That's how much.

Yeah, now, that's, it's not, has to be batisive, can. Now, now, the start-matom, the generation first, the coloraning, gurned, gusack, so, they're going to russack, so gung-warning that, but, again, yeah, Yeah, if you're like the computer, if you're going to be able to be able to be able to be able to beaurengasah.

If I'm going to be able to optical satellite, maybe one rocket keachalight could be, now, you know what about, optical satellite, that, maybe this is going to be with, that 2 km resolution 1 meter to I could probably launch 20-30 of them in one single small satellite not there's number not

there's not to be a biterbathes that but what? But it's like that has been about it? Many, because it can be this, yeah? It's not. It's not even than 100,000.

Oh, because of it. Not going to be it. It's not. It's not. There's altitude, can. Right. 400, soo-10-kilometer. One ring that, one altitude, that,

can be given to many, man. Now, let's say, one-l-cuitte-t, $1,000, $4,000. Now, how far? $4,000, like, one-string. If you have 10 rings, yeah. 40,000. 40,000.

But, can, you know, who'd be $1.2,000? Yeah, probably not going to fly. We say we say we has PASN-I-440. Wadu, I'm doing marra-in some of the government. What's what? I was right with them, pa.

We're not under lawleting. Sovereign right, not sovereignty. That we have access to ecotorial plane. Wow, I'm going to marrain, too, with the Prime Minister, before you. I mean, sirpapuil who want to pay in, it's fine, it's filing of Indonesia,

not filing of Adi-Wosso. Wow. is a protecting our own access to space can. Muggen, can't be. There will be. There will be sometimes. Some of the work with people who are people who are people. In other than, hypothetically.

Three years? Wow. Yeah. It requires a... different way of to look at the how much better better than that's different.

But not, not impossible. And this is up in the way to buy rackett. Yeah. For the point, at one of the time, there's two.

We're, if we're talking James Webb, it costs a $10 billion, $10 years to build. But it's science. You pay for exploring the science. if in Indonesia,

not even if you're not yet, people who are you getting to get, so much, so, we're making something that's very much. How do you buy Indonesia? It's very little-like, now.

Now, now, if we're not sure, GSM-Indo, we're top-bottomed 10 of the lowest art pool in the world. You know, you know, you know, you know, Arpoo, $2,000, $3,000, right? In America, Arpunner, it's worth, the $1,000, and so, they said, they said, they're going, $1,000, it's okay. This is one gigabyte, it's $1,000, $3,000, $2,000.

Wow, that's, well, that. If I'm like, what name is what I'm notrasy, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, it's very hard. Now, in India that's just, which is now, like, kalang-cabut with the phone India, that valuation is about 300 million, what's it, 300 billion, I was it, 30 billion, or 35 billion,

still pretty big valuation. And have the people have been like 100, 200,000 yeah. Gio and 400 million. But geo is one of the cheapest in the world. Gila.

And they backward engineer. Yeah. So, they buy the people where do you make product that kind of. Yeah, because at the end of the day, how do you can afford? That's, that.

It's... I was back. It's... consumer can afford, technology has to challenge. So, if it's the technology to, it's more

superior. Because now, but now, economic warfare, now, defense now become more expensive than offense. With drone.

It's changing. Now, now, now, now, must try, you don't hit a drone that costs $50,000 with missile hymers that cost a million dollars.

It's not. Fighter jets, not backallevant to the different. That's not too, F-47 that's made to make from America's secret.

I think so. And aircraft carrier is already, relevancy's not as well. I just, I've been back back in one of military

news that coming in. It's a flying aircraft carrier. So, China, J. how much, he's

it, he's can't unmaned at 15,000 15,000 feet or that that's drone's rousandrude

turnt, hypersonicic's turin so so so so, flying aircraft carrier

not not aircraft carrier already by the sea but flying P.S.M. P.S.M. To bein'n'n'n' drone,

is? No. Why? Drone, there's two. Platform, and the name of the line of sight communication. We can be on line of communication. Dron's not.

Will, sila, let's turneruner, the drone's, what name, land drone, but we make bilosn. Beyond line of sight, because it's putto a satellite. There's a drone that quadcopter, there's a drone that's going to be able to bein'n. It doesn't matter. If you're doing droid, yeah,

the way that's not too, you're going to travel from here, but you want to control it from here to the tourwain in Papua. Then you need to salarive. That's... This is. This, if, I think,

I'm notarated. It's not a narrate for the importance of national. Yeah, like, I'm going to... But, maybe, 20 years ago, It's a lotasicant. But if you're more much because cost efficiency

yeah. Yeah. So, you can make money, you can make money, I don't know. And we need capital for the capital, for the camp continuous

building the capability. Because if we're not not just to move in the next generation technology, yeah, we can't be the same, and this is obsolete by the time.

And this, the procession's in the so much, so it's just, so reinventing it. And to be inventing that, we can't be able to be able to beaing people. Because people are now second generation, that's got to be the first generation,

because he's going to be there. Apoller, if we have to go to the same pace, the other than the same page, the last. Yeah, I see, glitia. If this pace economy, 235, it's $1.8 trillion, can we make a billion dollars? Stupid thing, yeah. If you've been before 40, India wants to make $100 billion out of the space economy.

If you're there, we're still dreaming of one billion. I'm 110, 100th of commampone India. Because India has already put up on program in there. And Ministry of Space India is at the prime minister office. From the first, because they've looked at the strategic value. Now, what's the name is New Zealand? Five million people have been minister of space. Yeah.

Indonesia, they're credulcan. Because Peter Beck and line, line. Yeah. It's been, Because of critical minerals in the planet to planet other Apalagia. Apalagation between America and China

is more than, it, I guess, there's a question. There's one that I was going to say, which is the world's controls Terra, controls Terra, controls humanity. Yeah. If you were better, about 17-18, who's who controlled air,

control Terra. But now, now, maybe, Yeah, yeah, right under the other controlera Yeah, I have a problem Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, beto. Bro,

how we can't make in production, product stem, from 250,000 one to one, 1,000. If I'm, if there's PSN

100 bji. Okay, if, if, maybe, not. But, but,

but in the field that same, there's, I'm, I'm, I'm not so I'm not so much. I'm not as a great an association. But,

not that's not going to make ecosystems to contact terricsa. I want to ask to people who are young, this. If I'm still, I'm talking, I'm getting kataping

with Professor Roset from Pence in Surabaya, PSN is an academy. That's out of PSN to actually, they're creating I'm like, okay, if I have to lose and make it's a lot, and they can't live, it's going to build.

At least, they're going to have demand, can? Demand, turnerap, and the other than a lot of mac that people are, oh, I want to pay me want to work. I have opportunity to be there. Now, can, the kids who are going to make sense that, they're going to come to. PLN. As to telcom.

What other? Pabric. Pabric, fabric, fabric, soaping manager. Yeah, right? Now, fabric, as awet, jagging machines,

how many innovate? If you're not, you know, they're saying, not being innovative. Startup, we're with all heart with people

startup, is duplicating what outside. Not a startup that's just, but I'm working. Just, one-one-one,

that's-one, that's really, highly impact to be curious. Top. Top. Indigenous, it's that's deep-and-a-some-some-some-a-smart.

That's the world's killer app. Yeah, yeah. Now, so, it's important that's because of health, but why not get-trusin? Some of the people who've been moved to the COVID that's not. For the whole-hout-hout-all-hall-l-h-h-G-S.

BPGS, right? BPJS, payment, and all the same. MCU-U-in-up-up-n-re-per-in-n-repar. If it's-all-a-all-all-all-it-all-all-all-all-all-. the whole Indonesian population has the health data. Don't bejewal to pharmacy, yeah. But that's, now one,

the BBCS is, is the jantoo. And we just heard from Prof. WICO, that, that, that, that, the, of, Indonesia, one year's 1,000, there's 1,000. Wow.

But in the same thing is 100,000. Lebeye. In Beijing, two roomsacit, 45,000. And, and the same the effect what?

He's making clab jantung, he's making opal jantum, so yeah, so they're not much because they're, at the, there's a past. Same with stamp.

If, if they're not, if they're, there's, they can be able to create, That's the top of the answer to the answer to the answer. I think that creation of the challenges that,

because we're going to have to be able to have industry, hillirisation the president's subpoenaed with all kinds. It's a lot of times. It's a mackerel. It's a lot of course, it's not true. Now, now, industry industry chemistry chemistry,

from material, like the way to beaum, because, byproduct of hillyization, it's not only gold and the tobacco, but nickel, won, buannes,

rare rot, out, out, out, and all that, all the same. Apache, there now, that's going to make,

economic value? Pasti had economic value. But, but still, with the bigas-baghed-a-a-a-a-a-a-cli-a-a-cli-a-cli-a-cli-a-cli-a-cli-a-cane. But the little, America, now, catacutant with China because rare-a-are-a-cragal. We're not going to regulation. There are for base metals, precious metals.

But for noble metal, and rare, or, it's not there. No, that's not. If you're not a chemical. Okay, dey-d-lings-kis-go-deh. I try to figure out to take what namanamon to make, I don't know. What, for? Bratilium.

Thorium. No, no one other. I think for magnetic, high, magnet, and this is a fucking rarest, because this magnet. Magnet, the time and it was not going to be able to be. Now, it's been able to. So, all these things,

creating value, this musty-in-yptainment, to create demand we're about stamp. We're supply demand. We're sub-bikin stamp, because you're stem, want to work in the money.

Physica morni. Worked at bank. There's, there's been a lot. Many who can't be bank. Because there's no, there's a astronomy. We're gend,

we're gregn't, we're gregnui, very powerful. Gila. The most of it. It's just. It's, Gaping.

This ishapes. She's just in Princeton. Taddinga, physical-mourney. Yeah. He'd gagged. They gave up. Because he said, I could not solve this problem, and I went to another friend,

he can solve in five minutes. That's my friend. Yeah, santa. The person, Sri Lanka. Now, in Silicon Valley. That's gila, that. But, yeah, this mythos that. Mythos that's the same parquet,

that's the demand that not to stem. But it's the same for the same for the same. Abric of the caraparma, back there's a lot of people who understand pharmacy. And not pharmacy degree chemicals-biologicals, etc. That's a highly complicated vision. And so that I have I'm the other than I'm going to be able to San Diego when I'm married with the American

he's now is the head from from from what? Novartis who in Denmark? Novartis in Denmark, yeah? He's now takinga San Diego, what's the work?

Belie in startup. Wow. For Nordratis. So he's really in the very, very edge. He's microbiologists, PhD microbiologists. The project is just looking up new and then... Innovation. And he said, okay, this one I believe.

I finally believe this, value this much, that's the same. It's the same thing, it's one, one thing that's absolutely, I'm not know. But, that, what, what, it's, what name name, it's the same thinking, yeah.

This, this is the last time time. Is it? Is it? Am I'm going to be about about I. I'm going to A.I. Google,

can, has been close-le-one- Spacchus that will go public. Bercal-a-cali said, we'll make

data center in space. AI, this can the energy-in-an-an-er-gian America, now, the infrastructure is abas.

Chau. It's just 1,000-3-3-3-1-3-3-7-1. Hongk, that's 1,000 700 giga. So, it's one of the way they're to nalip, they're going to space. Pertanian is, that's real,

then, and then, Indonesia, must be around the gambaran. Okay, I, week long, there was a man, um, and we invested in him.

He's one of the most prominent, one of the prominent guy in space. And nobody knows he sits 48 hours, He'll see let's the new space base

solar panel like aluminum foil and it produced one kilowattatt hour 300 on the ground on the ground on the ground

the ground the amount the transportation And it's so thin. It's so thin. There's in there. It's not there's no water. There's no way nothing.

Soing that they can stretch one kilometer by one kilometer. One spacecraft can produce a hundred one or something like that. And it can and it costs him maybe Less than a million dollars.

And then you put a data center in there. You put your computing capability in the same energy. You have a laser designator the above because bandwidth is a big big. So you do that. 20 years from now

to 20 years is still more expensive in space than ground. Estimated 20 years from now space is cheaper than ground. I'm like to look at the solar panel So I'm not kidding you If I'm not kidding you If I'm not

If I'm going to put up to make It's up to be made This is made in America Yes Wow This is one of the same way To get to the United States One meter

Lebarned It's one kilometer Roling is 1 kilometer Roling it's 1 km So like gulungan kine It's one meter one kilometer. It's really,

then to handle intermittent, how it's? What's the dark? Yeah, not right. It's right. Keep facing just, keep facing the sun just if they're synchronization. Yeah, he could mutter just.

But I'm going to, can't be able to. They said, problem is, I said, this is not the water. So you have to mutate, laminating that's good enough to laminating. Nanty gendella

another, that actually is kacafeelang in mataheim, but the matahariness is absorbed by the solar panel. You don't... It's a true, too, yeah. So, you know, there's not, caca film,

in mobile, yeah? To take the heat out, can? You take the radiation out. Why didn't you absorb the radiation to become electricity? And you put it in every single window you have. So sweet.

If you're not up, if you're going to beaumple in cost. Jattings 400 per kilowatt-cham, you, you're buying it. You're going to be a hundred, $1,600, $1,500. If you want to make $1,000,000,000. If you know, don't think like before. Because, they've said, the efficiency I don't like efficiency,

I'm not like solar panel biancyon 15% the efficiency is 1% 000% but I produce 300% per kilowatt

Wow Yeah He brought To make it Like that Like that If you know If

people emergency they're Like a blanket that Like a mask tipis They like that

Just like that Now I'm This thing this is one kilowatt. This is the samestitist like this. This is the same thing. I can tell you one thing.

A friend of mine and myself invested in a startup 24 months ago. It went 11 times because of that. Lucky you. But that's a byproduct of space. Yeah. But that's kind of innovation

if it's been transfer to Indonesia, digunakan, byrdayakan in Indonesia. And then he's building a factory Addu 10 hectare on the standard and just pumping it out of laager. He thinks about building a satellite

a thousand satellite a month. All robotics. Testing is totally AI. So I've seen this factory being built. Then I said, I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be it. But we're going to be able to ending this, we're going to be able to be able to compass, don't, we're not from the first. We're not from compas just.

Enact that's kind of when I'm not atollusan IT, B, ITS, U.S, U.U.S, U. and other, can make like this. Bysa. Bysa. Absolutely, I'm now much more optimistic. Because of cost efficiency is, yeah. Deployment mechanism.

We deploy 100 kilowatt hour to maybe if they're no bigger than your pantah. Rata. No. and thinking, yeah,

if I'm going to Indonesia, you're in Indonesia. You're a lot. Mimpy, like, Mimpy, ba'u. I've seen it real. I've seen it real. I've talked about

times. Biagia making a iPhone, iPhone, in China, this is $10. Probably. Probably. Really? Really?

But I've got to beaubourg, yeah, yeah, I've got to beaubrikan. Look, look at the cost, right? But that order's a magnitude that we have to write in Indonesia. So, we can really,

can make sure, can make industrialization. Bucan nanom sawit and nambang just. How long does it last, yeah? But even, I don't even,

I don't even, I'm not talking about saviotka, it's wrong, up to the end uprored the end. We are the biggest producer of the world and we should take every from road to the real end.

Until down, down. Plus, abyss, abyss, right. Not there's no matter of industry salit that's the oiled in the world. Yeah. Don't have,

we must be, we should be good at it. Anyway, There's what? Well, in Indonesia, well, in Indonesia 72 years going strong.

I hope it doesn't take another 72 years to get better. And if we're in the situation, percied that the country

to kaiaraa. We are robbing our kind of sustainable sustainable, what is sustainable? What's to be? Man power, yeah. Men power we have to get educated.

Educated is meaning, but degree, guru, has been good, education has good, democracy. Democracy is, as well, they call it the majority.

If the majority is not very well educated, what is it? We go to a stupid nation, I think of investment investment to human power investment hope

to the young young people to continue to try beyond their capability and there from BBC too,

the Adi from BBC was really, but I'm really, I'm dream

very high very big and don't be frightened for failure That I'm sure I'm sure. And I'm sure, and I'm sure

people are the people really, umperbuquerque situation, conditions, even making the next generation. Your time is over. Our time is over.

The next generation of the 20, 25 years, if we're not beretian, the country, it can be a lot is too, we need good leadership, we need good policy, we need clean and transparent way. If not, yeah?

In good distribution of public goods. Yeah. Too much of corbannia. Not nice. And I do I in your lifetime, launch pad DiBiak. Thank you. I will try to honch you to if you don't help me. But thank you.

But thank you very much, bro. Yes, my. Thank you're much, bro. Teman, that's... Adiwaso, scientist from PSN. Thank you.