Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Baskara 'Hindia' Putra: Kata Siapa 2045 Itu Emas?

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

Baskara ‘Hindia’ Putra, musisi Indonesia yang terkenal karena gaya kepenulisan lagunya, membagikan pemikirannya tentang isu kesehatan mental, apa artinya menjadi masyarakat, dan pandangan distopia masa depan bangsa kita. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #BaskaraPutra ------------------------ Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: [e-mail] admissions.sgpp.ac.id wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: Indonesia Matters Wandering Scientists The Take Kunjungi dan subscribe: SGPP Indonesia Visinema Pictures

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like, look, the news political, glitit, glitit, glit, people who are, people who are displace

because, I. I, I've been bache once in Internet. Um, there's been saying, someone,

I'm saying, I mean, I'm saying, decommodify like, so much, yeah, so I think, like, yeah, diplomat the best of

a country is an athlete and soniman, so long, that's the end game. Hello, time, today we're in, we're coming

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from U.I, to, I had worked in some part of other before, before, I worked for a few years in British Council also, the time.

One of the team arts and culturedly. And then. And then before before I was, several times, I'm a lot of puttip, like,

if you know, if there's a project freelance that, so, there's kind of kind of kind of, like,

like, like, invite people, people, people, and, the,

and, the, and the, again, dousen, do you, want, not,

leapsan, part-time, or, like, and, I'm, I was I was really, before lulles, it's really,

it's a lot, yeah. Yeah. Um, what name, marketing and digital aginsy stuff, for that, then,

pivot to British Council, from there, pivot to music, so, so, yeah, yeah, the,

yeah, people, like, playing music, with no skill and all. Uh, I was in the first band I was at the British Council then started

once in a festival like that one of the same, it's just that's just a lot of not just to be in Jakarta and... When it's exposed with music how age is what?

Oma, if I was, if I was my mom's my my name music and my house, to play piano. So, from the little, it's exposed with music, so

so, so many musical influence I, what I'm even what I'm from my I've got from the kid when I'm from the car is D, in the mobile,

what name is, uh, denerin, Frank Sinatra, all the maceam, so, so, and kaka's-asya,

I think yeah, I think yeah, I think, I think, the, very talented that, that's, that's,

my brother, the, to, the, that's, actually, who, yeah,

yeah, he, yeah, if, if I, yeah, if, I'm,

not-sala-isd, who's got to ask-school guitar to be like some such as-dos-n-git-git-you-buttah to make-a-tare-in-tom-ed. And he is very talented in music. I, I'm going to try and try to medallameeer, and, like, be able-gare, because the room we're, like,

and, um, um,ers-gut-cite, like, like, the carolk guitar to laptop, so out-out-out-ed-at-ed-a-a-ed-a-ed-a-a---sha-. So he's like, they're going to beavernous, like, and every time like like to beaure guitar, maybe, he's sometimes to be harmless, just, while to toilet, mong, like, what, you're just like,

like, like, like, like, you're not like that, I'm going to have, and all that, so, so. So, like, it's kind of, so, like, put in-in, to, in-the-r-lour-rumah, so, so, I never, put put-as-per-per-sserious in,

what, what, in-it-it-it-a-old-mundalming music. Not-a-sha-to-sha, but I, you know, But it's a mucu. But it's like to beajar, to beaure, to beaure. Until,

after after 2018, releasean the two-in-a-old-lvan, the release-a-old-old-a-old-old-a-old-old-a-sha-hiz-a-old-old. There's also the music, PRAdaband. That was the first time I, I was,

I'm-mang-gung, and who, one-torn, too-re-re-re-ur-old-old-old-old. It's all-sat-sion-national. That's too, the way up the music live is there. Cobra, if you're in a lot more than before me,

maybe, more than it's more, like, it's more than, because, and, because, like,

the people who are people who are in being in Boredas, council, I'm in agency, we can't be able to, yeah. For,

he, for he, to work in macky, and, yeah, a set of suit that's always do-al-to-lank,

from, during, to-Map-Map, so, So that, even for belio, I was like, I was like, this is I'm not working, like, this is like,

this is not, not the work-a-bener-en-ren, so I was very grateful, like, moment they were seeing as music in the pangung, that's, that's, just, that's,

I'm gonna' from there, I'm thinking like, this, I've got on the label music, but when that, I'm still.

I'm just like, I'm just like, like 24-jamb-jamb-jame just, if, if, if you're not going to get to get, but music, but it's not,

like, there, momentum, yeah, so, yeah, leave of fate just, I'm with one

my one of my one on my same-one-you- doing label our same-e- and then- -lety-out-

and the project-the-out-the- project-the-a-tete-a- Now, yeah, yeah, yeah, label, label, legal, that's serious, management serious. So far, so good. So far, so good. Yeah, there's like any other small company.

Cuma, yeah, can't even, yeah, can't even, you know, that's. And then, you, what, can't be able to bea from the other than the other. Why? Narasiness to be it.

If I'm not really, the answer one of the same place, because I can't use like that just as well, I mean, that, like, in band first I, we know, we've been doing social, political,

that area, that, from, from people, from people, from mysiswa, from, from, yeah,

people, a day-a-a-a-a-hap, if I can't lose a lau-cinta. Cima, but we don't have been able to be able to-allam in the campus, all the same-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-campus-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ssssal. Yeah, I just-ssl-sal. Manusia, I'm quite, I'm sure, but I'm sure, but there's a lot of experience that emotion perfectly, and, yeah, I'm thinking, rather than I'm going to do it first and foremost for me,

but it's just, when it's out, many who's not that's all. So that's the things that's that's that. like that's that's how like what's how we're looking at beauty in things that's every day, can actually. I'm going to be able to use a lago. I think that's what I'm going to say, what the same thing, which is how it's, like. It's kind of what, which is.

Has every, we go through, Yeah. Tema that's the time of the time. What's the thing is the issue of the temmation? Most of the time, if India, because the majority, the story personal. And inner turmoil,

the basa-krenna, if in the internet, mostly about... I don't know. I'm not saying, I'm going to mental health. I'm saying... What I'm saying, is my mental health, it's not mental health in general, but how I feel about things,

but it's just. But, it's true, it's not, it's not, what I'm saying, yeah. In the album first, it's very specific, that, what, yeah, it's, what, name, yeah, I'm, I'm, like, I'm gonna, like, monging, um, what, name, all the ups and downs,

so, young adult, that, living in a big city, in Indonesia, all of, with, and a real-a-a-a-clic-cule, like, oh, I don't know when, and byer this, to the other, and in the album the time of the same time, psychologue, and still, still,

I'm still, still, I'm still, I'm still, I'm going to step back that, like, there's, there, the, ackarer that, that, before, don't, before, before I'm, until I'm under-upus,

and, rather than, back, there's, many, there's, that, that's, that's macro, the mental state, not, maybe, not just I, of the people of my, and I think I need to address that, at least in my personal point of view,

that's. So, it's the, album the two, you know, basically, but still, also, also, I'm going to talk about my mental state, but, just, I'm trying, why I'm stressed really, yeah, every time, like, there's something that's been a good thing, and it's like, yeah, it's like, yeah. Al-Qaeda, like, prial-monginging in the way,

what's just with me only, but also, but with my people with my people of my in the same of the same way, so on the last one-two-lank to beck, so it's a bit more than, so, I mean, like, yeah, things that are, what, name, in the album, that's about.

— — —'n't you're the problem. Mental health. I, I, I, say, —, I've been bacaewee, there's a — —-an-one-in-one-allelel-halt issue,

It's like, I'mitify like, so much So, I'm just a lot, and I can't even say, because I can't say yeah, because I'm because I'm really, there's about, there's always, there,

and, and, for me, and for me, and, for me, it's , it's just, it's beeneped, this, am empowerment, or, or, actually, this kind of topic, I mean, it's up to level like, kind of, I'm sometimes, I'm, I think this is not empowerment,

like, it's the same, naherashinessesinessesiness, that like, you too, you too, there's a problem. You know, you know, you're doing, so, but in the same thing, but I'm in the same thing, I can't say, because, for me, we're talking about the politically correct term to say that kind of things just, because internet, because media social,

that. Maybe from the time of Steve Wonder, they've already, they've already, but, jama, there's label, oh, this, it's going to be mottal health, that. But, but, but, but, the last there's the title

like, the title of the topic like, what, name, like, topic topic mental health,

that's about, I mean, about, the deteriorating of mental health as a person, or whatever, but I

think, it's, it's, it's, so, really, so, this,

this, can't be impiris, yeah? That's, that, when, if we're, if we're

what, the most , That's kind of cancer, and the heart heart to maybe diabetes. Cardiovascular. But,

if we're back from the doctor general in some of the other in other countries, just through, depression, anxiety, even suicide. This can

bungusan, from bumsan small, which is called mental health. This is called disease But,

But is this is the symptoms from the same thing that's true that's just that's the thing that's the thing that's I think so because how can you feel okay when the word that you're living on right now is not okay, that's like...

Yeah. For me, for me, it's just so hard, not get triggered, not to, not to get-read-in-lieter, Soresor, because of the time's right. So it's the word word word, so trigger.

Bucat TV, trigger too. Pindac channel other, if you're just like, too, to have been a TV cable or layman in the room,

book a channel outpun, stressor too, I mean, I mean, everything has gone worse, and, like,

the sense of, it's just, so, so I'm going to be able to me, and he's about, something, um, to give up, visually, yeah,

yeah, like, what, namah, what, name-naum, like, gradually, perlhan, the roomana, it's more,

more, more, and so, not as clear, too, not as a clear, so, we're going to see what,

we're in the end of getting, like, kind of, yeah, or not about when I'm going to get if I'm going to be able to project this,

my gaijoo is going to be able to be able to the before. It's more, and I'm going to beauntick, not, I'm not psycholog, too, but I, I think, Anabel, and Alisa Gembale just as, just as it's not, not that's not, it's not,

how everyone in my age see ourselves, at least internally. it's just, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, actually, feel okay after. You know, you know, yeah, ownership taking is, on the issue, issue like this, or this isue like this? Um, okay.

Uh, can, uh, can't recantrunkingingian, this is making more than, yeah, And it's not to beckon that's the longer even more than eveninging. Evening to

even redepotten the kinkinian with mortgage the next that's more than that's more than new. Now,

this ownership taking peradap issue this is, is, is quite, in the calang of the world,

the generation of your generation. Yeah, if I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah,

I'm sure, because, the album now, you know, you know, or can't be able to be a gembatan, for the importance of

people, to be able to be able to be myriad of, after that, how much, but I'm, I can't even why this is something like that, like,

like we said, in the generation, this is something that, the ownership taking is big about, topic, topic,

like, yeah, first, like, this, this, this is, always being, umongan, the day

If you have a few times of the But if it is to be given medium to move on the other than? Or actually do something about it? Yeah. It's kind of narrating how, and that's like,

what name, there, or not, people who can't start the conversation? Like, like, okay, what can we do about this? Yeah, that's. Right.

Because what, the, who, you know, you know, you know, or people who'd be heard in the Spotify or, or where.

he t'uble in the time he, kakana, kakana, kakana, kak, kak, kak, kāna, konga, konging, konga, konging, konging, about this issue that you've got an issue that you're angat. Now, this iskushes, and, the end upgum

this, has to be political ownership taking. Because if, without political ownership taking, the cramca the law-undang, not can't can't be used toisperation you,

and the people whoas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ...that, this, mental health, this is a bigue,

this, kind of be pertain. Yeah, right? Yeah. But, what I'm some say this,

maybe, maybe, ag, ag, yeah, not even social media. Because social media, to make up to

communicate with us as much 8 million people. Tampa communication is done with predecessor our own, that's just a number of 70 million.

This is a ring times I say name's, the same as a story. Now, we're like, we're kind of

from the story because of the because of thechara. Because of the plus-needed and minuses. For us, for we can't live more biggisanship. Now, I'm not a bit more speculative, I'm not with deficiency and themhame on history,

this can't beambung with the unsure how we're more than we're more than the kinkinion that's making we can't about the more biggaping the more than the time this is the same thing that you're saying in the mental health problems

yeah, right? I'm going to monging in it more than I'm afraid that I might get too political but there's one thing that I'm going to be too political but there's one thing that I've been made and for me too much, before. It's been the media social

There's one of one There's one-hmmed-safeated He posted something on social media And it garnered a real attentioner many From the, from the He's the same, technically, the label it's still GENZ

if, if, yeah, if they're still GENZI, because now, SMA first voter next voter next, that, means, is it, maybe, is, maybe, is, yeah? Masi, yeah. So, there, like, bruntem-in-ne-in-y-untar,

that's the social media users with people who are the same time someone who's going to be talking about, you know, you not know, like, you know, like, 20 years ago, what's the same, blah, blah, blah,

that. Back on something that's the way to the capital we're, that's not too long, that's like recent history, that. People already not know, now,

people, people, people, I mean, how we're, if we're, if we're, serious again, about the bigotka

about what's like that's one, two, three level level, level, yeah,

on the what, name, like first-voter voter just, they're really, kind of,

yeah, if if, not, not, not the mind that's either,

yeah, yeah, yeah, they're, not know context, not know what, so,

not know the ID, d'n, the, B, d'n't, the one, apparent

, And that's just one of the back back back I, I'ma with demography of B, in social media because, because the A, I'm raceda, that's not to know something that's been in the era he had already when they're still

as they're making this year. And, yeah, it's, it's exhausting, to open social media and see people quarrel about everything right now. I, too, I've got to watch news for nine years. I'm not back a coran. I'm not on top of the TV.

I'm going to get info to be the amount of primary, palacu. Apocal, or, policy. Charang,

I'm probably I'm going to take from Twitter only on the current events. So, so. So,

so, I'm going to be able to Baca, Baca Baca, I'm going to And I'm going to Vennomenae

that's the only yeah, this is like Bermuda, like, phenomenon of people who look at HAPE

for 10 time, many people, people, people, Kanker. Yeah. And that

many content that's good, but content that's that's much more more than

that's I'm sure Eveningal-heapal-hap. Of course, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You've got to do you, pa. Narrue, really. I'm not-nobaccoe, but,

one-a-pullan, but one-bun-buck-buck-buck-bac-bac-bac-twekut. It's a-duron-a-due-lily, that's a lot-per-send-n't-a-pregnus. I'm-a-pac-lure-a-old. Yeah. Because I think my generation, including me, me, included, we are terminally online now, and many work like that.

Say, okay. Terminally online, is okay, while the people the technology and creator content that, that's, it's, that's,

because, exactly explicit, or implicit, they can have been moral contract, social contract, financial contract,

and everything, and, I'm not, look at the the way of the the way of the contract that'shastasically that'shaught can

it. Yeah, right? So, so it's the end-ugulashin the way, it's that's allang. Yeah, if we're looking at conventional media

now, yeah, it's kind of with what what I've said sensationalization and festivalization. Apal

media digital which is more than how else without without any of the peckon and penicaping. For this, this, a lot of our lives our lives, we're more than,

more than show up. Yeah, right? I'm sorry, is, right? I'm not sure, ma'am, is it fair to blame the audience, like, you know, the people, that's, that's, yeah, that's, that's, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, it's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Gampang, because arous just, but not just as far as far as financial, but quite in fact that's the same technology. But I think if people are people like you and thenasical narrations,

a lot of the way, and that's like this, yeah, there's a lot of and succour-sucur, and succour, percapable in room, it's been able to be able.

Yeah. And, then, percalation in school. then, after that, RTRW, but what's the other than khanors. But what we're looking at, I'm talking about you guys, people who are people who are penedictal

just with S2 and S3, it's under amnesia historic, and it's from, the more than immunities cognitive, not can't amissuehantar facta from fiction. Yeah, can, be it's just gampanguechap

with hoax. It's just gawks. Now, it's true. Bung. Beto. Patcha of the benarant this, it's not only the level

non-elit, but at least. Tadiness, I think in non-elite just, because they're not berpenedican or not

as per-pendidication like the elite. But the elite just, it's been rentan with things like this. So, this

is that can't becker this is very malignant. Yeah, And if we don't have, that if we're not only underlidim, yeah,

wala-walam. Why, why can't be it, because media literacy we're dead or how, I mean, like, if you said, the elite just, I'm thinking, I'm,

I'm, I'm definisical, that's not as much just, just, but, literacy, if,

more comprehensive, it, it, has, is how much more people can't beacus, and mitigated

that's theutrashy or semestinia. But if we're definisicing literacy only as a batas he can't be because he can't menafsir

and he can't mitigate or manage risk. That's not literacy. So we're So we're just like Yeah, we're sure

But that's the ideal is like To tell, this is the source Yeah, is it credible or not, that? But, but But, but one, people of technology, the people of content

That, if I'm in front whatever has been done sopapot, whatever, whatever is that's rationalization the catapata you're like spectacle, popularization,

sensationalization, yeah, right? But, the kind of for them to increase intellectualization, it's not quite.

And this this isambung to be a bit of many many times, domain, not domain but domain

the domain social, domain economy, domain technology, domain political, domain policy, domain spiritual, domain and, and, and, and, the other than, we've got to see how much internet

that's not equalization the society, justru, melitization, right? So, the 0.1% that, it's, proportionately, far more than economy, which is the last 99.5%.

This, the end of the end, we're in, jettling, with the kata katerdashan artificial. That's just, the debate in the different,

not slasay, so, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

this, it's, I'm, things, things we're overing, still much mitigations how much more than how much more than what's about, can't make sure,

let's say, internet or media social that's more than, to be able to be able to, yeah, it's too, for me. Yeah, that's just, it's a lot of. Community visual, like, ruminat, you know, like, ributé, T, now. one of one of one of the one of the one of this,

for the one of the one for the, it wasponed it was good, it's just about, tibbe-tibre, in, baza, the baza-ableness, because, because of the sequence of, the AIME. Um, cuman, for me, I'm, um, But for me, I'm about it's contextual

with premise of the story that's about to be over but at this point argument that the internet and echo chamber about, what name is internet that?

Yeah, soniman in the world that's even, that's even being even being able to even like, I'm not pedule argument you're

using this technology and it's strong because the idea platform this, the idea, TARDCutip, things that they have that's

but who knows? I don't know, like, it's not even if you're gonna disqual-can like this engineing-a-emang-emang-lou-taught-diffion this, somebering from, what we're not-n't-a-penn-taught-a-so, we know, we're not-penaed, but, but now,

yeah, I'm not-a-lid-lac-lac-lac-a-n-n-n-l, like, you know, one-and-n-n-a-ttang-n-tang-n-a-t. So I'm sope-dispoping. I'm going to beckerdasance artificial. I'm looking at, maybe benefit-neigh-nebate-n't-but-n't-nobing. But this is not disruptive. And dislocating to-hadap,

not-a-lac-lac-all, not many people. What I'm seeing this as a problem that's is the important the people of the technology that's the gagabash so that they're

not multidisciplinary discussion and discursus in. Because they're the most pincere. They're really really pincere

really. They're soek very with a high buddha ahly social, aholding, aholding, a high economy,

a high spiritual, a high philosophy. And we we've got we can, we have AI this is a. that's about hypnosis

that's been by the people but if the if the gunnation I'm sorry aga-ag-a-un-un-un-unit moralitas-nia aga-a-a-unic

hat-a-a-a-a-unic apapap-pap-punusis hypnosis, this is a-pac-lustin-a-lustin will beckyckyre this can't malignan the

which is malign. because because of the hypnosis unique. Yeah, if you're making hypnosis this is

because he has been multidisplinar- there's there's an hope to utopia. Bahia,

and I've been, and I've said I've been internet has been elitisasi

AI this will be more perkerroletization that we've got to be it's the last this ispyrus. If you can't live geneal coefficient ratio

consensgain economy in the country maju, bebeang and niskin that's not there no way

that's stable in the bottom the sunjangangangings so. Yeah, back again how, how much

you know not can't menerer don't know when you're they're actually but they're actually, because endgame's, if they're

after they're doing the lago of their, they're going to make sure to make upy, gawrull, then they're discursus. Abis per discourses, without political ownership taking, it's hard. Because the next, who's making

sikap policy and politic, that is people who are not people who are not memaamie issue that relevant to the time, long. It's hard. Because Many people

to the other people or more than to be able to get back up. We're living on a sinking shape right now. We feel powerless really,

get the other than politics current, the kind of of the climate now, and look

to buy something, this, this everyday occurrence really, because, you know, because it's

basically, yeah. T'i feel like $50 dollars not sogeney, so, so now it's going to

out of the CISI, we feel powerless really powerless about that. I feel like to hear about it, like, to look, look at the media public, get rid of the media, glim, look at inflation,

and look at... Yeah. ...we feel really powerless about that. Yeah. The ideal is, like, after, what, name, the,

the, tando-cuter, like, because, because, because, because, because, He's just, not just it's just like, okay, what can we do about this?

What do we want to talk about? What? What do we do about this? Then how can we do about this? But, sometimes, kind of, it's already that's up to be able to be able to be able to. Yeah, yeah, what I'm going to let in film this,

what I'm reading this, what I'm going to hear the song, this, beener, I'm very much and I'm trying to be able to beckonement. That's that, that. because now, the shoreline's the end of the end uptayn't,

the end of the position right, it's not seen, the company, the company, that's like, so I think it's very understandable for me, personally,

like, to look people, this now, I'm, depressive, so, got, the outlook's,

yeah. You know, you're not in 4, five, no, no, because of the same-hmmingotting. I mean, yeah, every now and then,

still the fastest sinking city in the world, we've got to look. Six months then, out of the article like that that's got to be, from media, again,

and then, two months then, we'll get what, in the, the word of political, that, three months in, it's very hard.

To be like, like, like, okay, like it's like, like, at least, jama'u, can, like, oh,

maybe in the same people someone who's over I'm doing, what's the level, what, can be something about that, that, that. But,

but it's not that, the people who are, who's from working to system, yeah, so, so, sometimes,

we'll see, we're, we're doing, look, like, di, the, campus, it's about what, in the internet, and tibetabye's like how

it's like, yeah, it's not a lot more than, that's, I mean, that's, there's, you know, yeah, it's all, that, Indonesia, in general, but. Theema that's that's the same up to social justice. Elaboration, yeah.

Awalely, it was, yeah, I mean, there, still, the sameagued, like, we can do something about this, at least, if we cannot do something about this,

we want to let more and more people know that this problem persists, that I'm saying. I've seen that. In the lago, I'm doing music, in the band I. Lama,

it's out, too, Lama, it's upas, there's one moment, where we're, what, was there,

was five, gumped, in room my, night, just over drinks, like, the, , kind of the night.

Outer just, that, It's like, Patrick. Yeah, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not enough long time, yeah, gumpur, there's a greek, too, out of the other, like, I've got to monging in this, I've got to be, I've got to be able to, that's not doesn't change anything, will never change anything, that's just

level that's right. I'm like, like, nothing changes, that's what I'm saying? The country, can't move if,

anywhere, yeah, if the if the state and society that's been that's just

that's just that I'm that I'm don't even seemang. Oh, it's not seembang

that's right And one One of one of the samebankingatting. That's the samebangan That's the samebanka. I'm sure I'm sure that the more the

time, the more we can be democracy. Because I'm really, like as far I can be able to mowmong. Beto.

Sedicit what I'm still, I'm still be able to, whatever, Point, we don't know, pa, that's like, like, because there's

like that's about, because there's been there who's been talking about but what, but what's the way, that's the way, that's one of

many other other than other than, if we say, if we're talking about, public speech, if we're talking about opinion,

in public. But, yeah, certainly, not, below, like, in,

the, the, the, the end of, the way, I'm, I'm, I'm,

like, life, this, like the garis that's where. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of, because we don't know about what, so jave,

so you know, so, yeah, so, like, like, ibarathe, and then,

yeah, got to, or not, yeah, this, this, it's, it's not,

got to be, got to be, that, so, so, so. So, ,

or not. That's the eleneged or the samebanger and it's based and this is there manifestation in, maybe not there's no idea

for the penningation social, economy, buda, the world, linguang, technology, and line,

right, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, this is to occur

from the penanaman model. model because of the because of the sameapura. It's farerang. Yeah. Per-orang-naz-you-and-secara

total. Model-massuqa far more than and in a total because of people, Singapore is more be able to

than Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Filipina, Indonesia, and like, because the penagakan of the

Now, there's the fact that's the more than the more than more than the world social, the gungunguanguology, and other, right.

Yeah. Now, I want to ask what, what, what, you can be able to abate

the genuptuant you, fatig that isaq that isaq young, young men, when you know,

Because if you, if you know, because you know, because of the issue of issue, but, like, gawrol, while gawpies just, it's fatig. Yeah. Yeah, how we can be able to beck, by-all-it-it-all-it-all-it-all-it-all-it-all-a-locut, as far as far as-a-pullet-a-old. Yeah, I don't know how much. The policy needs to change, that's. I mean, I mean, the level that's structural, that, that, that, that, that, you know,

The power is farraudy people like me. And we feel like we never see that kind of change, that's about the time to be back. At least nothing substantial. But, that's just, yeah, has something that's been able to be able to structural

and we're making it's a substantial, like, For theidant, like, like, like, oh, like, oh, it's like, oh, like, oh, my way to look at the end. Because now, yeah, like, not ever had been able to be for the better,

that, or maybe there, just, not did not doxanaken with good, that. Maybe, the way, we're not too gampang

ber fixie. We're more more than than fictions. how much to beaughanour how much, to cognitive to imun

to bexie. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then, when we're, we'll... It's what we're

that's the, that's the thing, that's, from the facta, from the fact that ficts. Yeah. how much more people'satualization,

from different than specialization, or festivalization. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, like, like,

we've got to bea-boggitalization, like, there's actually, there's been clear-an, that, in, the, yeah, but, right, but, right, more than, than, yeah,

than, yeah, that's, that's, for, for audience, for anyone who's consume, but... But the mediums, I always feel like a gagasance that's good,

from people who are pinter, from people who are... Maybe actually credible to talk about something about that, that, that, that. Pemasana is leek. One thing we have to actue in, if we're talking about... if we're talking about...

...in the media social, you're saying, like, this isin the... ...isinesses of... ...isualing fictus... ...the post-trout... they're doing they're they're doing

spectacle's good I don't think like to make something so much as a spectacle it's also sartreter martha thing that's just like tool just like how we talk about AI,

at the end up the killer, he's never the killer, you know he just, he's just a lot, so, so it's just a lot So on. So, so much how much how much

about the gauasasan gagasan that good, and about what-nambon-a-topic that even really has been to be lampar to people. But again, again, that's the problem that's there's a lot, and there's a bit about, what, yeah,

the basa-a-a-bash-a-ad. There, some people, I'm seeing it with, I'm going to be able to be able to, that's the matrient is great. Actually, like, nothery, data is the journal, everything, jolite, shittations,

rapy. 12 minutes, not keros, like, not carascair, like, on the, one-o-t-t-a-t-a-t-a-tie-old,

which, ah, that's all very good. The scoring is very good, but, but, but, Ukraine, but but that's in terms of course,

the same people can't be able to be like that in here. I think of it, in front of it, in fact, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's made again, that's allan, what, what, name, that, what, that's, um, um,

did, um, and, and, what, It'sa that's the same-hapagint, it's the ficti, like the Fargitta-Balang, and it's hard-bucked,

maybe, for the people can differentiate fact between fiction, because, yeah, echo chamber, I've been looking at the data that, like, t-rata, in Twitter, people, people, and people, Republican,

not never, like, saling, besingungan in timeline. So, they're thinking they're winning the race, because every day in time line that's just, that's the time line that's the time they're looking, what they're looking, what, what name is, Biden and all the much, so that's,

so yeah, echo chamber just. If you, if you're, if you're just as, yeah, percapant or perdebatant to, it's often about ideology. And ideology, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, that's putture apoccur, whether that's whether or other than whether or not.

In this, the quackatiration to, discussion ideology just not perna chagin. There's not

know, they don't know, their own, they know, and if were, there's a common denominator

not ideology, power-sharing. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, if, common denominator

not ideology, more than we're more than more than we're more than under than meritocracy more. Yeah. Yeah. ...nealiener, what,

the, what, the, uh, colloquia, like that, yeah, past we still might be

maybe, maybe, how it's very hard for me to not feel like that this country is a scam. for me. I want you to feel optimistic. Yeah. How much, what we can't do you

be optimistic? Because you're just more more than I'm going to I'm still 29 years, 2045, we're musty-n't-you-old-cray-n't-a-cray-banked if, you're not.

If the sum of the pediccundicants far more than than if we're more than if we're more than nationalizationization that more than we can't whatever pun like to we can't be rank up until we're after

I'm back again again as as again as before people who arecumouser my life last people in industry music optimism of my own in the bit of especially in the bedang Kessenman still there, still has yet, yeah, seeing what's at what year

in the last year, and look at music, just as a person after what's been coming about the last. To some extent, while I'm not a person, but many people,

and people are people I'm not, people, that, I'm like, I can feel a bit optimistic, that about that.

But I feel like like, part of the past that, like, how I'm, like, how I'm making sure, outlooks

in general, one-two-hmming-hmm like to be able to be able to be better, this, this in the way, in the way in the way a lot of in the time, this, this has been, like,

mouattant, it's the same. But, the level of the that's the, that's the, that's the, that's in the past, which, that's, that's been able to, which, that, like, in industry that, like,

kind of, I don't, even, like, even not even more than a like thegare to build the same thing back in back several years that's the time

now, sir, yeah, music, but, but, and royalty, what,

the, the publishing or royalty penulies, that, there are under the country,

right, for say, it's, I got got to, but, but, but,

not ever had, whatever, whatever, to be able to facilitate it, so, It's just like like, like,

if you know, if you know, if you feel like, it's like to, it's like, the, what's the time, the time,

the time, and it's about, because, this is a other, we don't see, there's,

that's, that, that's, that, yeah, I mean, that, so,

yeah, so, yeah, to, to, to, like, oh,

we're, things will change, that, things will change, that, I'm just, I'm just, I'minting

maybe you can't be able to be able to think about long as sometimes stress episodic this is we're alami

and we're and we're makingingingingkan solution instant not not so that in life

not that's not that but I'm but I'm still be keyakingan that

the issue issue you to turn I agree then and the issue issue that

discursus can not just about just overrolete but if it interdiscused it's just I'm sure that will capture

in policy discussion and succour political discussions yeah and what that if that when that's

when bad it will be good that can help we're to we're back Is it's 2 years, 5 years, 10 years?

And you're still young. Yeah, right? And I'm seeing, yeah, there's, like, for the examples of the big, in the country our country that's-in-Nagued,

where they're success-buck-a-encers, men's actually intersexes between talenta and power. Yeah, right? If I'm not, I think, we're not, to find intersection between talent and power.

not only for the governance, but also leadership. For the keypentingan be a vertical, apache, entrepreneurship, like, buddaya, like policy, like politic, like,

whatever. Now, if we're focused to how, how, so, so, the intersection of talent

and power this, more can be a lot, so badang. Yeah. What else? Pessan,

as far as, as a goodyuan. I'm just, I'm just like, I'm not even if I'm not even if I'm the conversation I'm not know, maybe even if there's a set set of frustration from people who are like this, this like outlook is jelegged. Not too. I'm not sure. I'm not because you're a great storyteller.

Yeah. We're a great storyteller. And, without storytelling, the country not can't be able to be we're not can't be deroging. India is jago ber donging. Singapore is jagu bedonging.

Yeah, right? America, jago bur donging. And if you're in Asia, I thinkagued jago doggot dunging India. If I'm in terms of 2, it's Singapore. Bucan, not Korea, not Japan, not Hong Kong. It's a lot of.

With scale of 5. With scale, 5.5,000, people, people, do you're in general. Because of the people, people who's hardigrapherst. And the people areculting articulacation the cerdasance.

Very true. Yeah, can? Yeah. Just you know, emosiness and kentakognizement. And what you're notarcican, it's kind. With heart and cognizant.

And I think the commasuan manusia that can be a. Q and IQing the IQing gosso. That's maybe the first thing that I have in mind too, past the first time, like,

kind of, like, pinded up music. Pernah, like, to ask, because I'm music, I said, because I like to tell it. In music, I have a time, three minutes, can't tell 10 years. It will not happen in films. It will not happen in books. But just music, but just music do-on,

can have time five minutes. You can't tell, people from the last until and not to get to get to get to get relatively, I'm saying, like, storytale. I'm saying, like, storytale, yeah, I'm going to be able to,

in general matter of music, and maybe promosy music. It's, I don't know how much to-examination, It's actually can't bechontow with muatant story-telling with what-namating, what-naman-law-en-a-factive,

not-hast-a-must-a-music, yeah. But for me, like, logica, like, big artists the time-secarang, global, or national, that's good, and it's just to be-conto,

like, you want to be-eem-efficient, it's like, it's like, that's, that's it, that's, that it's, that, people are people's like politicalis from a or the country B, but he's always

like athlete what name a athlete NBA he's always remember like music Korea, I think like diplomat the best from a country

is an athlete and a man always because because form of entertainment just sometimes I'm saying more much more

be able to be better than more universal to all But butlerism and that'slatism

to be externalization without the quality economy. Of course, that's it. So, focus to fulus. So,

the story you're in the issue whatever, that's how, that's up issue, that's up

that's with the end upas people to find fulus. And, lookalus, like that we've been that's about the time

if you're less. Yeah. It's more general justice that will be more than there's democracy, it's more more than there can't be general if there's peneguagment if you're not enough to be optimistic.

I'm, yeah. Yeah, I am optimistic in, I'm saying, it's the endangooning what I'm saying. I'm optimistic. maybe I'm not losta yeah, I'm nothergues, I'm notherst, I'm not

the graphicing, like, I'm like, I'm trying to bein'unuchsia every day, that's wrong, that's wrong, for me, yeah, you should be critical just, you should think about this. You should be patriotic.

But patriotism it's just it's just there's just as far asinifestation in critical thinking yeah so much as a person to critis

it's been manifestation from patriotism yeah if people that's been people who just memuji muji just

without capacity to be critiqu that is that patriotism that's partier yeah yeah

so you sound critical but you're actually being patriotic. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, what, yeah, it's, basically compete with, what, the other industry,

some other countries, we know, just, like, in, yeah, in, in general, that, yeah, that's, yeah, that, yeah, that, yeah, I don't think that, yeah, yeah,

I don't think that, yeah, yeah, we, we've, I can't expect again that's up under not be critical because, I'm saying, because, you know,

there's, there's, there's, there's been kind of, like, like, I'm like that.

Yeah, like, that's, like, that's, in the long run, I think, yeah,

I'm going to see, that's, in music, too, many who must be behind,

that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's, that's the

, that's the I agree. Keep at it, man. Don't give up. Amin. Yeah? Thank you, boss. Thank you, sir. It's been cool. Tumontemann, that's Pras Kareputra, musici korek, from Indonesia. Thank you.