Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Connie Bakrie: Tunjukkan Taring, Pimpin dengan Integritas

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

Sempat bertatap muka dengan Putin, Connie Rahakundini Bakrie—analis militer, pertahanan, dan intelijen—membahas bagaimana posisi daya tawar Indonesia dapat menjadi berkah sekaligus kutukan, mengapa semangat nonblok harus kembali disemarakkan, hingga mempertanyakan apakah demokrasi harus kita tinggalkan? #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #ConnieBakrie ------------------------ Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/628119182045 Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: https://endgame.id/season2 https://endgame.id/season1 https://endgame.id/thetake Kunjungi dan subscribe: @SGPPIndonesia @VisinemaPictures

So sometimes, we're not bad blame or we're playing victim. I hate it. When we're playing victim, I agree. Because Indonesia, as big as hebat, seaggagher perkasa this, not panted to play in victim. Terutama, homatilat our wayang we're not. This is the land of our one, one. This is we're partankan and then we're survive.

Want one more than 2,000 years again, 2,000 years again. And that's only one that's important. integrity and the power of the power of course. Nothing else. Hello, teman, today we're getting on Connie Rhaakundini, Bakri, analysis of the power.

Connie, thank you very, can't be it's a honor. Telltain, de, background, like, on the day, on November, 6, 4. Beda 1,000. We're 8,000, 6.

So you're younger than me, okay. What's what? Yeah. My second is kind of a lot of Yeah. When I'm gonna'naker, yeah, when I'm scared

like, I'm gonna even, I'm gonna get in Indonesia why? Why? Because I was when I'm

playing with Papi, too, mine, he's not-caia, but we're not So if you, So if you've got up, Pappi, I brought up to the air Pesawah,

but I'm happy very playing layangangam, and to Reactor Atom Bandung that, reactor Trigal Mart. Because it's very beautiful, if it's very beautiful, if you're in front of that, it's like sumur, higot, turquah,

there, pager, the end, yeah, I'm notarer in there. So, so, so when everyone's people I'm not nuclear, radioactive. This is a lot of it. And then, you know, it's, now, that's papi.

So, papi, so, always brought book tebue to be what, not know, mathematical at the king of deva, that we've got got to get, and then with the book Einstein's. You know, he's very smart. And he can't tutupe mata with chiemba of book, he knows, this book from Germany, this book from Russia, this is American.

Yes. The paper is different, the smell. Yeah. I'm really, that's right? Because he's right, S-em-4. Because he's really, the other side, my mom, it's gifted.

He can see people, and then, like, if, like, Indigo, maybe more than Indigo, yeah. So, I was a little bit more than Mommy, you know, Mommy, per-a-court to because just for medium.

Actually, he's not yet carton. So, I've never, one day, there's a subat-papy, and I adore him so much, he's so ganteng-bent-b-blet-plawed, You know, Tau, she's called me, kākhan, man, she'll ramalonged me, gnaw, you know be able to be there, you're going to be able to.

You're not. That I'm still in a while. Wow, I'm still quite. And yes, that's what happened. From there my mom, to, my mom, to, be rentermenting cardo, or look at each other, I'm about 20, 30 years, they're from trauma, right? But for me, I'm just living, I can't really be able to be able to be able to be able to. there's like that

my mom, my mom, too, but I'm just, better about between religioitas and spirituality. So my mom always said, like, you'd better than

spiritual you instead of religion. So, I like, you know, the other people, I go anywhere. One day, I'm crazy with,

what, I, like, I'm going everywhere. There's, there's been a perampackal in Knox. What's the, where?

I'm in Irelandia. So, it's just so much I'm going to be there. I'm going to go to go to everything. Wow. Even in the time of Knotapan, that's because I'm going to beattahed by the same thing. Butch.

But maybe that's what I'm going to be there. Curia? Agaraguerre. I'm a graphic design. My background. I'm not going to go to Seneer Rupa. I'm a bit of frustration. I'm like, come back.

I'm going to come back. Or baby at ITB? My dad? Your dad? Yes. Nagear again. Papi, because Papi, too, because of the S-3a-Kanenna,

but he's the same with the relitian, because of the reactor cartiline in Georgia, so that's a lot of the UGM. Now, so I'm going to... I'm going to get to be... I'm going to get to be. I.T.B., not to beas. I'm going to go.

I'm going to... I'm going to beaqqqqqqqa. Compotis'i grafis. And I'm I'm part of someone. I'm up to tell you. I'm nearer Fanto. He's like to try to

why I'm trying who is myazong of Mr. Mishmoyo. This is the pendic story I, I'm going to keep in Pai Smoyo. That's the case in 1999.

So the minute 98 that, backer-bakan, I'm in, I'm in front of Mr. Pax, I'm here, I'm at least, me, I'm here. Bapae can't Puyanto,

telephone, Pa, there's the there what, there, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm in the carol of my father. Because, can, I'm going to be able to be able to be able to bea soon. That's, then, one day, I'm in front of the suburb. I'm in the same, too, so, did not.

Malmama, ma'amie telephone, come. This is, it's been bad-baccarrable, can't. Pinto, pinto, all, it's been in the carol. Two, yeah. No, no, no, 98, 9-6. Oh, did the sidang. Okay, yep. My bike that's right.

canvass. So I think I'm the most of the night, malam only only time just, not many people. Trenata, no, past time's getting, malaguerre, too, malas, people. I'm afraid. Yeah, that, tibba, I look. This, this, even moment of Tum Tuchan, sometimes, I'm nother.

I looked at a room. So I opened my window. Actually, I want to hear all right, there's, there what, some, rame, rame, this? You, why, quite fast, really, the Tentara is to buy outang. And then, oh, okay, And he's the borghumpeda, and I'm in the back of the background.

He's not going to say this simple. Then, the more. The other, the, I mean, the, she said, no, back the way the time. I was like, I'm like, like, catamper,

I was p.m. This, this is someone, to buyoutan just. I was crying. This is something wrong, that. So, the next day,

I checked U.I. Like to come back at school. I'm going to Pauwis. Papuiz, I'll resign, yeah, I'm going to be able to be able to do you. But, but he'sosos about defense. So, when I'm not going to let's say, I'm going to say this is the same, because that's curateaqaqaqa. Wow, in my room of my whatever,

sidang, or jihad, that's a lot. That's the activist, can't be EU. Wow, this, this, kaki-tangue, like. If you're in Suharto, yeah. Then you're going to go. Then, yeah. So, that's blest, yeah. Because I'm, I'm bookkuking, Thessico.

And so the judoialant to divining Indonesia. Yep. Ketka, it's when people are people asking, bribing penitent tenang military we're, yeah, man, soololololololololololos, soh, soh, soh, sohah, Suh, Suhto, sohato is abrid. It's finished. for the story's the polandah, hamla, this. I said, I said, I'm going to head up to camp

you when you're looking at the same. Bipo, when you were born out of the region America. And then he said, this must be launched in America, States. Where? I said, National Defense University. Which is my dream campus, I think I'd want to school at D&U, that.

Trenata, I gave briefing to the other than that's about Indonesian literary. So, it's facilitation by the deuce of America. Now, from, after that, after you're going to, for, for the Bureau of Security. And then, yeah, many, at SM, EU meetings.

Yeah, actually, there's been able to say, but maybe more than it's, because I'm going to take S-3, can I'm comparative study. Because I'm gemes, if we're going to bring S-3, that's the people in the cabupatine. what's what's what's about what's because of what's because of what's you must be love to love a concept

that when I wasa back the story client about state power so that client to say that element about a lot of democracy is simple there's democracy there, there's economy and military two two that are intervening which one which

and he said the country will be powerful when I was school I'm know that element of themagy I bantahed theory client that and by the way client this is who's advisor to the United States

when I'm Vietnam. So I was when I'm to make up a newfoundingue, people who's got to be able to puttyka? people have been able to be able to America. I said, why not? So, because I'm going to make a little bit more. So, I'm a bit more than, I'm sorry, I'm I'ma from there by mehams. I'maq. Ami 5, my sponsor, for penitian justu,

from English. If not, we can't not get to go to study IDF. Right. The person who was manhung. Among, are you sure? We don't have diplomatic relations. When I was still,

I'm still aistri General Bintang 3. Which is very, past it's just a new. Yeah, I'm going. And that's, strong will. Wow. Okay, a second way a bit.

What's your view about normalization? This is there's a lot of people who have been normalization with Israel. I'm from first, I said, I'm agonged very with the mantuant of the manthum of the blue,

he can be able to think, and it's, and it's, Abraham Accord. Yeah, Abraham Accord. It's can make sure that, for this is the same is that's like wei because i'm trying to arrange haemee meeting, mengundang dosain or manan,

dosain that I'm known in israel. So when I was told me, we got to get to gregoran. So, they're going to be able to be passport. That's America or Europe. Yeah. And then,

and then somebody's up to be able to out from UA. Because, Malesed bacharer, and then I'maugh, then you're like paup, yeah, so it's like pakem, now, this is that I can't be able to, not be able to keeperoyant thinking.

And when we're making the quacket of our thinking that, we're sure, we can't do you. Yeah. What's the way? Spakat. And, and, and, and,

and, if it's as a place that's a place with idea, idea, idea that innovative, yeah, right?

Yeah, right? in context technology and yeah. That's okay. So, after the a lot of the same we're going to beapeutic, yeah? What's being taken,

it's about about Taiwan, like, Laudcina, South, like, Ukraine, like, Ukraine. We're maybe from Ukraine, too, de. But, don't kakit, if I'm going to be dead, yeah? Yeah. From, I expect this, too. Okay.

Okay. If I've gotha, I've gotha, because of Ukraine, yeah, NATO's country that's just memperlebar the power of the power of it. Why, there musty be there. There's what ancamancemany. Memang, why, why Russia, that. Lallu, Tupon, wanted to be able to show, uh, Putin, want to be able to be able to, you know, Russia, jama.

All right. And it's, to be honest. To be honest. I mean, I, I, that, I, too, care, like, like, we mean, it's allah, what, But but, but Butch, but they're ban, pohont de ban for competition, sanctioned

their $4,000, like you're magic. And he still survive. Utomia, especially, Kutte, it, is, right, the world that, we're the the world that's too, right, and it's the same to other.

Yeah. Lalo, he still, I said, I said, I'll say, I've gottening. Because, why, he can't do you guys make sure we've been the same person, Sukarno,

Bredi-dicari, that's right. When we're d'hantam whatever, we can't be able to beaute Russia. I'mala ingin'eminged up redikari it, how you have that confidence, but, but the, you know, it's just the tautomans. I mean, the jailin it's, it's very many.

In one side, I'm looking, I'm not, what, yeah, Zelenskyy, this can't be a penjad of the war. Because I'm a leader, we can't you become a leader, we can't have to getcha cita-cita. But, but when it's been buning your people and we have to have limited, if you've got to have limit,

yeah, it's similar to suicidal. That's, and I'm from, and there's one that people are who are who you're too close with Dubosurusia, maybe the suburb, or if I'ma,

or if I'm still in Valdai, I'm part of Valdai, I'm sorry, I'm just, I'm just with Dubus of Ukraine. He came to my house, so much the way, we're just to the same, we're going to be able to be around my house.

Because I've been trying to understand what I'm going to beaqq, this, and it's. But one thing I said, you know, you have access to Zelensky? Please tell my word, yeah? This I'm going to say, he's not going to bea. He didn't say, oh, 30 years later again, we're going to be able to. No way, I said. No, I said, you must be able to be able to bejewan,

like Bung Tomo. He's like Bung Tomo who's up. He'll translate to BASA UKRAINA. And then, no, no, no, come on, come on. Sukarno is not Zelensky. We never

Mitae back. We're not different. Yeah, from there's just just marra. Yeah, no, it's not about. But what's the important, don't this. I'maugia.

I'maiccairang people to look more. So, yeah. So, people, so, man, to say, because Israel. I'm going to be able to

I'm bela Israel also. But I'm just a story of the story of it. Not as simple that. Yeah. Yeah. That's wrong. It's not. Yeah, it's notep a French, UK.

Can't be that? What do you? It's... ...meanspike can what in the thinkeran under the era that kental with political correctness. Just to if I'm giving thempickation my mind and I

I'm notar, people are you know, the political correctness just to do you, yeah, like now, like, now. It's not much. People are saying they're byer with Russia,

like, oh, much, like, that's amusing, that's much, yeah. But, but, but, again, talk, Taiwan. Taiwan, everyone's rebut about

about, what, NANDES, what, about 11-des, line, like, that, to beotototot. And,

and, and, and, and, and, and the, that's, it's not

maybe, that's not can't much China. , Because when he was Andi when we had to end up at least in front of course I'm asking, are you sure

once you take it you cannot enter even China Sementara China is a future word I'm going to know So I'm going to So I'm going to say to Taiwan But it's always When I see issue

Rame I'm going to invite school about Laotina Southan in China So that's why I know bettool They are very strong. They have all the evidence that's the taranulius,

as in the postidosis doctrine. The problem is now, document all archip that's in Taiwan. So, I'm gonna make sure that America that's, trying to talk mutine Taiwan,

because it's a bit more because. I'm going back to Ukraine. We'll go to Taiwan but this, narration that's the

narration about America NATO, from the smirang in Europe, barred. Pendepanan ideology democracy,

this is all can a lot of all right. Panangana, how is, this, this, this, this,

there's, don't matter, Pat, I, don't know, Pa, Gita, I don't believe

democracy anymore. Why? When, I get to meet Deloan Arbride, in Bratislava. When they had international security meetings. Then I'm saying that's about it.

The world's just about it. Simple just about the willing, United States and allies, the rest of the world, more hit, more pute, more orange, more green, you are coalition of the non-willing. I said, no, we're non-block.

We're not. We're different, no-li-line. Oh, no, no, no-li-li-law. The list of the world, not we're against the other than we're against us. Kira kitherto, I'm like that. Wow, from there I'm going to say, wow, negara that's going to sell, democracy, to where it's. Now, kitherto, Russia. Why, when Russia malcolm, whatever, all the other than it?

He's given to sanction so much big. Resorting the same period of the president, Biden. dollar in the back in the back in 2001 that's been nihilk. It's actually the problem Russia, but, can the whole of the world has to be ego, which, I mean, the ego of your nation's interest. Then you're not in democracy.

Yeah. When, when, you know, democracy? That's when, I'm going to say, same, rata, same, what, yeah, I'm a person. I'm more believe in Malaka, lo. I can't tell Malacca it's been born. Can you imagine? He has been down, the time time down, so the same-a-rata just. So, the concept of it's just a lot.

When we're having... ...weller a unhing, ...the-cichick-cichil, but many, it will be able to be able to one small, one big, one-one, one-one-cass-a-cuit, one very tiny. Because the big,

it's about time just about, when it's the time, when it's when it's about. This is now. One billion people people controlling 7. Do you think democracy is working? I don't think so.

Okay, there, other, there's two commentar, maybe. The first, the first, the first, I'm not different. I'm in fact, democracy,

is it's actually predisposion of the power to each hand of many. But, but not only just the power

but attribute line like education, model, integrity and line, line. Now, this

many people are in the country major major that's the right that's just through

already seen the paradoxes which, which they're making to make attribution to the

hands of many but they can't redistribusically and line line, right, line. Right.

Just true, this is an extra, but like a kind of like in like in long as being being

being in dictatorship. But if you look at the where they see, it's, it's

redistribusically indigigues, integrity, social value, monetary capital, and the quotan too, because there

people, there's people, And bi-harmoniscan multiragican, multi-ethnis, multi-religy, it's maybe merupacisting from something that is smangetkaed by democracy liberal, so it's a bit paradoxical, if you're not...

Paradoxical, uter-utermenicum, maybe Singapore is... I'm not makingcheel can't Singapore, but he, he's kind of little. Yeah. And then, then, one-lane, that. Siap. Can't beainked, yeah. So I think, why, because, because of the other than what we'reaes, yeah,

because of the system of the rejaan. Because of the system, now we're going to politics, now we're not a carajan too. It's at, it's at, it's the, it's the way that democracy is bejalan. But what I see, that's, really, behind the screen is krechaan too. Yeah. This is the first one. Hidden kingdom.

Okay, back again, okay, okay. That's the one of the first. So, so that's noting-cadonged, it's purely from the catamata of the endepanedpanan ideology, kind?

Yeah, right? Yeah, can? It relates to your observation, where, the, yeah, can, proxie it, yeah,

not? Lahan that's, do you have to feel sorry for them, or Marrah, Lama, if I'm like that. Yeah, if I'm still at titic marat. Yeah, to the leader.

Yeah, to the leader. Yeah, to the leader. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and if, if you're, and if you're, if you're back,

the story, not ever there indication since Putin until the end of the end up that he's, like what

what's the narrator narrator in the barat. Yeah, right. Right. Right. Right.

Right. And not there, It's a certainrongue for he, to, to, to, make sure, he's, more memastikin, yeah,

I've got cast a warning to you. This, this, this, buffer state, and you've got to the eastern back, nine. And, this, kind of,

nimbeng, with, with the smangue, that's been, which, though, it's not, not-not-not-not-to-not-to-custas in the Buccares, when Ukraine and Georgia, he'd be-minted to include in NATO.

Aftering the consequences we've seen, right? Now, this is not in permukkaan, in conventional or mainstream media. Even the people think of people like Jeffrey Sach, then, many, like, like, like, manton, Robert Gates.

It's, you've got, it's been making-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-susidel. In a simple word, it's suicidal. Because Ukraine is the bufferer, not much, not we're going to do you, but if I'm going to be able to be able to be able to do. But if it's a technology a-oh, that's the technology a-as-a-huh, that's just the problem. Yeah, right? This is, man, be very careful with statement to rebel Ukraine also,

because it's a big firing to us, though. Somehow, in one of titic, that. I'm also, I'm going to beckon't, that we're going to depend on, you know, we're going to beckoncant. because, because of the same, people who are you've been overlooking in the world, almost, in the world, right?

In fact that's why I'm saying, I'm going to research, how do you have to build up France's in Asia-Pacific? Why, he must be building three armada, New Zealand, Australia, then, in the way uprored Africa, even it's been going to be able to.

He said, he said, he said, he said, 100 people. Can you imagine? You have to protect 1,700 people with the the two. the two-hmmed-hmm that's the other than I've ever look.

So, I'm going to be back the last year, people are people are, yeah, 30% the land, and what do you know

and the world, and the world, that's juster-hanna that can be done, one land, one-bath, we're-

or they, when they can make, they can't make them come to be- because, you can't be

so, so, so, I'm, sometimes, I'm, So that's why, if I've got, I've got to be able to beanguanguant-lawed.

That's I'm going to from when. So, because there's a podcast, this is Pang Lime, Pilihan, CIRB. Which is, really, not that... But this is logical. This is obvious. Yeah, because I'm going to say how much the power of the power of light. And, Pat, I'm going to talk.

And, Pat, I'm saying book. Don't, yeah. Like that's like, like, like that's about, like, defending Indonesia, or I've done, I've done two books. One other, the other than, power, and negaten, Indian, Diab. That, that's the, right. Now, I think, okay. To make the kids'nughey, I'm trying to make aquaed down the furor.

It's actually biography, but very light. Intingia, I'm going to be able to think that the powerlant to hard. In the same, goa, gaua, that's about about 8,000 years. The most of the oldest, 65 years. When I was back, Gita. People, what's going to be diara? They're trying to learn. Yeah, they're so shocked.

I was so shocked. It's sultan. It's, can't sultan Kerala, to be a lot. He, who's the first time. We're going to bring up to the country. So. So. So, the, krejaan that, Bantan, that the bansans.

It's like Venice. It's built, too, with canals, khanal, india, It's like that Karatah, right? Imagine, we've got to be able to have important. Trade, truth, and then

the military or whatever you name it, the power of maritime, to protect your trade route only. That's. Okay. We're going to Taiwan, to many times,

Ukraine, this will be long? Or... Lama, it's... I've heard your prediction. But I want you to say it again. because I think I'm in Europe, not pern't ever as a bit more than

a reason. And for me, Russia, this is the Pimping President that's all right on the country. He finished with himself. He will do everything for the country. And he's been adored with the people.

So, there's a problem of Prudence. So, because if there's idea that's going to be jatuck up. Oh, it's, it's a mimpie best. Mipi best. Not even. They're not. If you want to mimpickegarean.

HALU, that. If you want to make up Putin can't be runo because it's not because of the symbol we're like weharkar no. Bungarno it's not just memberdakakka can but symbol it's the same. Now, that I sense

we're looking Putin or Rakhet R Usia may have puttin today. Pembebas. Don't wrong, not Rakeet R Usia from us. Many of the people have started Ura, and many people that, that's notherggyn,

that's not much, that's not. Because, why, people, the people of the people who are The people of the Ura, that's the same-scentiment underground in Asia, the most of the same. That's right. But they're not being not brainy to-mow. Yeah, right.

Now, this if I'm going to say, because, why, this, I'm saying, because, why I'm thinking, well, many people, think, we're thinking, we're not so much. But, many of the people are just a joan campus, yeah? Yeah. So, militiaeal that's a man, yeah, can, he's not want to speak up,

that. That's what we think. We're about it. We're going to be, what? To give, what? Enlightenment, yeah? If you can't get rid, because it's because there's a lot.

Because there's one of things. But I think, this is what I think. This is what I reside. This is the result of my result. This is the standpoint of my. So, I'm going to say, I said, the people of the United States is suicidal.

Mr. Patya is about, I'maul really, so I'm playing with the dubes, like, it's just people, not just people, not yet not going to be

away, just going to be I've been through all of this, and I've been through all of this, and I think, that's what's different about you. You don't care. Yeah.

Yeah, right? Nothing intimidates you. Yeah, right? No. And that, it's a better. Now, predi when, how's like?

How about the ego that's all right? Or Zelenskyy's sadder to be it's up, I'm sorry, I'm sure, because if you're just making sure

to makegela to make sure, that's the same badm with FTCs and and other, and then, and then, where the money we're

we're looking, we're looking, and, and the mass of the world, and that's number one. Number two,

I'm more than Zelenski that, When weptych, the 20th, the 20th, I know, betwixtu men, you too, ad-duh, d-alik, and president, and everyone, we're going to beaum in 20th, imagine, suxed in the day first,

he'd kirim-lopolde, and he said, active-and-you-a-activity, because Russia made-racket to Poland-Dia. That's a person, gila. ...padda. ...pudcertained, upon. Biden, tibat, he bide, he was bigak, too, if I'm going to bea-uh-boh-uh-uh.

So he said, no, no, no, that's too far too. Right now. Right. Correct. Yeah. So, so, the right. So, so, the intingia, we can't

– we're having to beaqq. And that's what I'm going to be able to be able to speak, that we have to try and make sure, we need to beauntled Genoaugh-Convinceon-Hawks. Because, it's very important, a person-in-in-le-in-Negarer-N-D-Raw-N-D-Kegarach, with making-suset, that's not know what, can't.

So if you know, like that's about it, I'm like you know, like, to bea-b-b-couldered on the Hox. It's dangerous, that's dangerous. I have a badang, this is the economy or to beaung. If we're looking, the rise of the korek of the country that's in America, this is over more than 4%

in the last. It's not from 0.25% to 4.25%. If we think, utang the government of America-Serickat, that's already $30 trillion. If we're going to be able to make sure the government of Europe, the U.S.S. Merrillic NATO,

that's only $20 trillion. Total, collectively, $50 trillion. Dikalikil can't a more than, Sucu Bucan per year, that's the payahs to beacul per time, that's just $2 trillion per year. 4%x000x-cali-drillion dollars. This ischay will beascaircant by the people whoas in time

so closely. In atas, the problem in German to find bagucus musim-dingin and also heating. Yeah, right? if we're about people with them to be sure they're just more than making sure make sure

but that's also with rationing that has been done and more expensive not much but but that's not the permukaan

is the payah from from the and this if I'm think I'mgillat $2 trillion dollars that has to pickul that's far more better than

the penningan military industrial complex Of course, $2,000. Yeah. Why's who's over $2,000? Not only got to be able. It's not even though. This is not possible be able to get riddenedapot.

I mean, that's the way that it can't make sure or be lanjutely or the warang this, not Biden, not Zelensky, not Putin, but Holtz,

but justro, gubernur of the Central America States. Wow, this is interesting. Yeah, right? Right. Right. Because if it's not,

because, if they're allot with propaganda and other than other, with keyakiness, because if I look at it, North Stream, it's not even can't change it in time. How?

Norseum is to German. Germany is to keep Nord Stream, it's not even though, yeah, same way, it's not even though, it's not true. This, this, I think,

that's not peraturpikovir of my life, but that, but that, so, in fact, hopefully, Governer, Because this is like Biden, it's about people,

it's never-in-zeroed in January all the money dollar in 2001 to back. It's kind of one of one one way, or rampock, or if not, not, we're rampok again again in different models,

and, and, and, I know, this, I'm going to, this, I know, this, I'm going to, this, this, can, this, this has been,

the existence of two diets, It's the war It's the same dayat Antarrault and America Sericat and scale or intensities diet That's about It's not

Like what we're It's kind of Diet Antara Tijuana Russia and America America Serica And NATO

And NATO too And NATO is Holi-owned subsidiary America-Sirited Yeah He's where He's belog, It's belog.

So, What is the What is What is justro Medecatkan Russia with Thailand. And this will,

if I think I think that's the way, for the United States, and also for the importance of America Sericat, menhick up to the Asia Pacific. That's possible, tomorrow, I'm going to be able to San Francisco. To find out of the United States. Part of the United States. And the Faldae meeting that,

the last meeting is the termination President Putin is the world without a superpower. The best of the best of Russia Russia is not only China but how much Russia is it's not even the way to be givenated by the by the West, I just say, I'm still the same way can't.

If we're really, yeah, the power of India, so, mottie, is, I think, I'm not the world. He's right. He's just like that's about it. The power of Indonesia. Briggs, l'angap, double-eye. Yeah, right?

That's great. Kereen, really. And that justu can't be able to beckonlequin the world. Pertanion of my, okay. There's been with me and made sure of us. We're not going to say, if we're doing the person.

But we can't be able to ragged to go through. Because the, because of the, it's, it's a bit, that has to be able to do you. That's what I'm going to have to do. Okay.

We're still in a lot of action. Taiwan. Yeah. Pandangana. How did I say that's said that's about Taiwan, if it's if, if, came down to make sure that, it's trying gara, it's, it's trying to make mandala-perang.

So, so. So, so, there's a lot of reason. There, there's not, there's a lot. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people. This is kind of much of the things like to munching in the air crue. Kriakera what's the same way to be able to be able to bempin

Taiwan or any countries in Asia who want and be retinidad because it is a suicidal. Come on. I'm going. I see. I see the penningan America and Tyeongk,

the kaiwan. It's not is discount the way of the economy Taiwan. This is there's a company that's

the SMC yeah. That's which is super, super-changy for the people, and the

Hong Kong, of all the world. If I see, I see, I'm look, Taiwan is

as a proxy or the place part, the part- part-the- part-the-cay-an in

the time because if I calculates, to make relocation to relocation TNC, to TNC, to the UNAVIC,

it's not even because of the U.S.S.C. Because capacity in America States to ensure, or even to inshore, the kanguancehancean that's still it takes time. But if you're bazaat Taiwan,

it's just to be it. If someone who can't makeutuskan to be around that that's really, actually they're going to because now

the GDP Russia and Ukraine, how much, but Taiwan plus China wow, that's how many times times. Seven.

Taiwan and Taiwan and Taiwan and Kanka has 20 trillion more. Yeah, that's it. That's not possible. It's not possible.

So, that's possible suicidal. But, back to TSM, I, when I was back to see, I'm going to get to be

police, Pelosi, I'm going to how much more than you yeah, they're safe to that's right, just so don't yet, because it's

probably infrastructure lunac that's them madai and we're aspercepate that. It takes time.

Tyeongk a year, it's not because they're years ahead, so it's that that will be

time, to be there's in the Masing Mastik Sisi from Pacific. Now I see

I think, what I'm what, what I'mipinan in the time, this is a collective like what we're sacksickan since Congress, some time. Now, it,

it, it's, can't be able to see that how much people, it's, loyalists,

loyalists. Yeah, can, so, so, the insur, and patronage, that's more than meritocracy.

Like, what we're sacksigues for 40 years last, since Deng, from 2008. That's maybe can't bring uphackan flashpoint that's actually

maybe in Taiwan. Because it's based on loyalty patronasse, not based on rationality garis meritocracy. But that's a Taiwan story. At the other side,

it's also can't hit-ledgna-slatting South. That's, that's. So, that's, I'm from from from the way from the world

Southan, to bechaic, and look at the time of the archive. And look like what's the name of the arm of the airship, that. And, you know, this is justulah. Bukty's there in-mana, Buka, that's not that. So, because America said we wantchannel policy,

but he's been brought to China policy, sometimes I'meran, why we're all just around all the panguiting this that should be, we're going to speak up, And soarer's too small, I've been talking about, that's been clear,

yeah, right? Because, the example of being, now, came on you say, Melo Pasir, it's a mili

Australian. Many people are more, oh, no, that's the kind of that's all right, that's got, fine,

I'm percied it, because we're from the last the Pernigal of Landa and all the people, the Sultan, Krihajaan,

Indonesia, has today today's the problem is, there's not aircrafts? Because if they're in 206 before Maséi, they're still pegan. Apalagi dynasty song, it's, the krajaan, in which, in fact, I think I'm notep, so they even have been able to logistic list, then, coming from the fact, if you know, plowlarsia, and other, so the factor, if you're going to be sure, complete. But I'ma.

But I'm okay, T'i said Cawkesma Quaid. Allasan what? Why? Asian, not delabot can't? In your view. If you're,

because we've, from the first, can't have been made to form of patta-partahanan. So, it's just rules. But the question is, why Indonesia,

not deliq. At least, as a dialogue, partner. Why, yeah? I just like this. I've been in Delhi-Diloh-Tiloh-T-Law-T-T-Law-T-W-T-tie-W-W-W-

are the military, the military, the military. And the military is the military. And the world is the war. In fact, they're going to beauchat, that's the power, that's the power of the world, and America. Then I'm asking,

what? For what we know, the threat of communications or al-aliki, that can, miscellarperus, or to move to the detects, that he can do

do what's about what's about about about from malacca. They're going to do what's see military projection to palaka later. Let's say

wait a minute matter, yeah. Malacca can't have been here why you not libatin Indonesia Navy? No,

no say Indonesia Indonesia's Indonesian Navy just and I'm back. And I'm sorry because I'm sure we're

because okay. Because your Navy is not capable as us. I'm I'm inundational

I'm like that why I'ma why I'm always I'm sure even more than I'm like even more than I'm thinkerer than national Indonesia

we're going to be in the world but all the enemy we're in the world so that's the army of Republic of Indonesia come back in

the Ruebong Karno there's pride there's a project of power that we're just going to where Today, right, we're being too. We're going to be sure about TNI,

musi, it's been binguble, and what, it's been binguangucus. But like that in France, he, it's done to come up to the military yeah, oh, we're not doing military operations. We are doing military operations other than war. The language Indonesia,

operation, military, slain. If we like we can't, if we're in front of our own, it's 14th or 12, intinioning will be viviap, They're not, pa. Like, like that's inunding the world, which is, like, China, Southan, some of don't think,

that's free water, yeah. Maka, we're right to be right to be inunding today. Come back, I said, I'll say about agreement in G20, which 20%, 30% of the world that will beelendunging and the water-naut-naut-naut.

Who who will beuling who? Who who can say that's bad or not? If Indonesia not have to counter that issue, we can't even if you can't even counter, we're not, we can't counter, and that's a lot of buchingan.

Mucka, not even with AIMO, not yet yet, but if we're imagining, we can you imagine, we must have to have a commampoon check the water and land, and other than, yeah, don't, if we can, we can, the area our, they're not safe,

they're not as far ashehr, I'm sorry, MENTRI, KALHCA, Bougat, Boothitin, Nurbia. Butan, So, So we're the other than we're about the other than we're

they're in order for our their own living in front our own to the world. Now, we're not who not against bellar-negara but I'm not I'm not I'm not...

And, I'm not bolley, we're not we're in fact that someone who says to say that if we're going to say that Ukraine survive because because Belan Negarangue

or no, they survive because supporting from NATO to this day, yeah? Like that's right after the U-Ukraine from the And that's all right in the bent of utang. In fact that's not in front of freelance, even before I've got to check

Utang English to America Sericat for bantuan for the World War II That's already It's been last year 2020 Barunas Kempanin, only two years Lowe

Now Bertul or not it's Buttul at the gannia But, So maybe point is the peninsentering takes a long time. And, and what else,

if you're bungus in context PDB Ukraine that and the money, and the money from America the United States to Ukraine. It's, if it, if it's, if it's, about, 30, 20, then they'll only have been

paying... Poultry-tank. At the expense of the sechateraan, and that's not in calculation. And this, I'm going to come up in context Indonesia, how Indonesia is how to do what, yeah, militarization?

This, can, there's maybe in Kubu that's, this, this, maybe, the importance of military-industrial complex. But, there's a lot of the cubu, this is true, niscay, has to do it because of the national. Now, this is to seeimbangans. Ujumann,

whatever, titic caseimbanger that has must be in batas compempower fiscal. Yes. Yeah, right?

But if we're talking to say, I'm going to, it's integrity actually. Because, I think, today,

this, the peshaping our plan our is, doing, with the things, with the

integrity, I'm sorry to say, yes, yeah. Because, if, like this. We're going to look at the power projection. Where are you going to go with your military? Apaka, if we're going to have the area of the southern south not man, yeah, it's been to be able to be able to routine, yeah, not

sessacaly, not because, oh, there's a good thing that's not so, so. So, it's routine. Apocca, miscarry the area of the Philippines or the area, uh, uh, uh, uh, that's right? that's right. And that's about about the quality of brown water navy, which is 200 nautical miles to the same. Padal right now,

I'm talking about there's been there's been in arnold, we're in green water, which is projection we're also in asian water. This, if we're looking at water, because the most important to be from the concept of quatown law. Because automatically it's undergantara

in the atas. Then, if we're looking at the president, And president jukovic, he's a doer, like, he's a man. He's who he's made, he's a lot. He's called. He's called. In the KAN, in the capital, I'm still

not yet, it's not a lot. So I wonder, who's the priority of the country. In other than I'm notherstaking, Indonesia, it's just as well as well-projection. Yeah. The first, power projection. The two, asset. Asset, is alut sista. Alt-ut-at-at-at-a-sisting-signat.

The three, is readiness. So much more so that I'maughal Indonesia, no more than the world No more secaned in the atasrael Come on, it's a hallucination Because why He's up to Turkey We're back from Turkey to London

We can't look at it like from London We can't even if we're looking at Spanish, what do you say that? Spaniol to Spaniol to get up Lapa negat. Yeah, it's just like that Yeah, it's just like that. It's just like, I'mgantara that has a frigate, Indonesia has not as much of that.

That's just, if we're going toot-pocket because we're not quite. The second, okay, we have that's as well as we're going to be able to firepower. Ready, not? You know. You can't have a few people of the warsawatt-tempur. But when we can't be able to be able to be able to be able to be a lot.

You're not ready for war. Now, that's, I think, three things that need to be integrity. Tamping, we're going to buy Wea, we all if we want to get if you want to get ridges very fast, playing the VINCHA.

It's great a lot of VINN. But, can we're like to talk about a country the one of the Republic of Indonesia that has to survive a thousand years ago, like, that's one thing. The two, people were the nanny why is it to ask you to mega

talk about Kali Niamat? I'm saying, maw to meh to meh. I mean, you know, please, he's a palawan national. So, I'm going to bea-wachiwati, and then we're going to bea-a-a-a-half-a-half-a-half-a-half-a-half-a-pment. And Jepharah, it's a tiny little sultanate somewhere. Bayankan-can, he, so much a country that provides

China needs for capal-capal-dagang, and China needs for cap-a-cap-pal-purn. Indonesia, now, today, today, P. Not can't can't carap war for China We're not able to be Okay But the end-un-unctu-unctus, can

If there's catersabatassan This, this, right Challenged So I like the way You always coming back because you're economician Yeah, but not Backer back But I think it's a lot

Can't buy a couple Yeah, but the money But there's there's been from where It's, there's a lot of It's, or BLEC? Yeah, okay, but I'm going to answer? That's not only of course I'm thinking, how much of Indonesia,

with tantangangue, geopolitic and other than I predictsica, then, and then again, we're going to be like what I'm, we're going to be like that. I can't be able to say that. Because for me, I'm not yet,

I'm not yet, I'm going to get back, that's great. I used to buy a barraigate, can build a couple capaselan, maybe mini-capal induc, to protect our interests. Why?

But even though, now now is now that's now because of the Uyghurans, which is not overnight too, not because of the war Ukraine, because it's already already already, it's not long, I'm going to be like that can't but, who's in the country who's decided, that one

is very important, this is the second one, this is the third one. So for me now, it's a defense. Because that's the power. I'maumptu. Permimpin has been able to prioritize this, right? For sometasenar Foratis

Not as high-priotas Yeah, right? Maybe also There's a problemiky And the same That's the investasies That's more bi-givoumation Dibanding military

Diplomacy is Stick versus Kerr, right? Yeah, yeah. So, when we're gonna'am. So, when we're gonna'clock It's not diplomacy. Yeah. Doesn't work diplomacy that way.

I'm like, because of this, how powerful is, you know, how brawag, this, that you're not playing, because they're wrong, or the talko that's not even, because I've got, I had to be able to picket. Yeah. Carrot, I do, I'm going to,

if you're still, okay, but if you're not, I'm calling stick I. Because, because I'm not at the stick, I'm notta. Now, if in the world, the stick that is the last thing. Yeah. That's the other.

That's true. Okay, if we look, if we look, $800 million dollars a year for defense. Engapleh, like, 3% of GDP. Indonesia has been up to 3% of GDP. J. Jolla.

Yeah. Now, this is about it if you're going to be naikin from 1.1 to 3%. This is, this, some game, which. Man who's it's it,

I-k-N, BLT, Pessawatt-T, well, that's what I mean. Yeah, that's I'm wondering, why, if I'm not, if I'm not in Bucat-Negara, the end of course,

the year-N-24, yeah, can? With, I'm not-ca-kequat-Maritim our team our, with Kogafilhan 1 and Kogafil-Han 3, in, in the Laudan-Satant to protect

Natuna or, to, or, to, whatever, in the area of course. Who, who meant-un-entucked it. because, president I think I'm not

because of the element actually it's the functioned national security council we don't have it we have it we have sometimes kind of think he's like some kind of NSE

or Wantanas that's actually he did did give president Sukarno as national security council that's the president too, when the president

sometimes I'm being about this example just why Putin Faldi Club? why did the claim of the thinkers from all around the world So, if I thought

if I'm thinking Valdai that's only no no no no There's there, Canada, there, there, there's from Cambridge, from Oxford. What's really, he wants to hear? What's, if Russia has done this or ber-finkered that, we're, in order, that, that's just a leveled thinker. In our, thinker like I,

had metering, get-in-call again, if the ministering, the ministering, what, you know, you're going to be. I'm going to beck, because we're doing. Because we're the door. You can't be a little, I'm just, I'm just like that's just like I'm just going to say. If you're going to say, I'm going to say, what's the point? But what I'm going to say to him? You don't know, you're not going to be able to think Sukarno.

Do you think Sukarno more than meredicti in Indonesia, not because of the power of thinking and his belief? There's what about? Companies are not run by bureaucracy. They're run by ideas. Exactly. We're talking about that's at one time. I'm going to be able to quad. Yes.

Mungian, it's not, I'm not being asked to talk about because the perception centralitance to have been up here, a year,

this. This is a... This is... This is... ...gina, can, if we're, looking...

Interconnectedness between India with ASEAN, it's small, if we can't... ...if... ...if... the economy,

and things of small, so much, the way of the law of China southam, semestinia, for India, but they're still they're liabot-can

with Australia. They're more more more than be more think that Malacca it is national interest in India, but it but it's not

to manifestation in partagangangang between India, they're not, they're going to important crucial or existential

But but not not yet yet yet data, from data if we look at home economy between India and Asia Tengara is,

in fact that's in part of investment, and far more more than the other than Hacian. Bacan Kethan Ketka

is a major big of the big for all of Asia Pacific, that's one, that's boutan. Now,

this is the logic that has to be Pake, yeah. Yeah, If you don't know, Asian, if we're just the peopletic there. Or maybe Asian

not even ASEAN not want to beaic gombo. Bucan, now we're going to look. Now, try to look at Asian with the hearty, and jukewarm how ASEAN is going to work? Asian is, which is simple only, I just give you one just a par. It's already in the negathear and

landatangani the Five Power Defense Arrangement. Meaning, something happened with Malaysia. UK, and people come down. Something happened to Singapore or Brune,

so, there's more more than more the countries instead of we are as one community. So, I said I said,

that's been even if you're even if you can't be able perdama that because he'd come and thinking that

yes, the country to have to live with the sub-dampingingan one, the buffer zone

and each-masing and and same ascent. and as well as far with the same ashen with the same as far as repugue because once he's still FPDA

yeah, it's justa to make our sake our own, because the reason is blue, I'm UK, that the UK, that's the FDA. Now, unless they're

they want to say, okay, because we're very careful to our community, it's rather more important, we're looking, we're not, be able to bea it's like that's like that's like we're in here

we're in the area of the media you are menack, you're menac, you know dara blue, yeah, right, so that but what's saderana it? Because this, this is derrana it. It's,mestine the centralitans here, can, so much, and... Gap, we can't.

Gap, we can't. ASEAN, to have three pillars. Pilaralalal other, jane, is there. economic, I'm not going to be it's why? Why? It's a high hanging fruit. Because that's... We have Navy to Navy talk, there are Minister of Defense to Minister of Defense talk, only talk,

what, miscarriage of realizations? For example, okay, Indonesia, that's the fact that we're only three years, just seven, if we can't operate in the kawasang. Yeah, it's not can't be. Navy-to-o-o-ooperations to protect the waters, that's as simple one unsul just not can't be able. Because it's not the uproar-upinging the cover-up is whatever,

excuse-ness, it's been made. That's what the centralities. That's the same thing. Okay. Okay, if we're, if we're, if we're, if we're, if we're, if we're, if we're, if we're nottornment for military, in a percentage, is a big.

But, anything that's not aneur. in the absolute. Not agorough. For the existence of their if there's flashpoint. Not gnarrow, in the opinion that's in fact that

I'm looking at their small, while the percentage of the penglontoron is very much, if it's not the law China,

this is a lot of existential, right, the power of the country to Singapore, like Singapore in banding

Indonesia that's more than Indonesia that's They're like that's notting, but they're notting. Okay, but there's a betterbatassan too, but... But it's another confidence. The other confidence, the two, the Pinternery Singapore, he's also in the ranky industry of the world.

So, this is interesting, this. When we're going to build a quatowning a quatowning pertananan, and we know how many, like, in the, in the, at least in 300, that's the world. That we can't actually actue. It's, brachy, barrican this, with us, but we can produce what in PTA,

what, D, for the, for the, which is the market, to where they sell the war thatempsetemps. There are deal, deal that, I mean, I think, if we're doing with integrity, then, defense budget, it is, what,

So that's a suburb of the world-youvagan. This is that I'm like to make sure. So we're talking about about power projections, but to build up to build uproletes like we can't be able to be able to becered in the world like that. I'm. Pa-am. So, so, so.

But, man, but it's a bit of a point-profit. So that's just like now, if we want to make up, let's just like China, you know, France, Australia, America, just about. Just think we think we need to, we must have put in what. Okay, la, I'mgap. We're going to, if we're going,

what can't technology the current that can't be able? Drone, capacity of drone. Dron, now, can playloads can be so much, But like that's But we're like power projection We're just going to be ablecheting This is like we're talking about Like in we're doing,

we're doing that's a lot of We're back to Russia To be able to beckarer, to Redikarian. I'm Yes, Okay Okay, now, this

If we're looking, Not know, yeah, if you're willing Flashpoint Antoine with Taiwan and Malau China I'm I'm more I'm more

can't happen to be there's one if it's true, that Taiwan not Lauceana Southan. I don't know

how far virassat just a million in Asia Tengara, scale of per-economian

$3.3 trillion dollars that's not it's not gampangang be robek. So, it's actually

inherently there's about, somebatas whatever, yeah, to be robeck from the right

by bulebe or what. But, but in intrinsic, this is centrality. Yeah, right. Exist. Yeah.

And just through, this is aughtn't for we to, we need, that's just to be able to. Yeah, can.

Thebersatuan our, and ketanguhan our too. Yes. Yeah, and I'm look,

justro, the owners, this is, this is, in the in the engage with us, not to make us. Borking us.

Or, menedicts again. Or, menendid the time the proxy area again. Because, the endangu-toe the gaii-tahue because of them.

Yeah, not? We've got made notary-dagang-terbesar. Soluhrush-nessy-Tonga. So, I'm going to look at what we're doing podcast in this is important.

Because we, the matter of, emotionality is high. Yeah. Tibert, oh, China, right, right, China. It's not just, gulch, gina, not just, too. So, like this is, it's probably, because then we're getting told,

Indonesia, too, where to play can't be seen with position non-alignment. When G20th, it's been there's just about with the academician-negahs, for their academiciansing non-alignment, because, you know,

because, you know, the end up in the United Stateswark, that in UNESCO the USRasmecate so on the world of the world of our which is founding founder we're saying it's

be angap a concept even though it's late, but it's not making make sure, that's not true that, it's going to

live back into, we're making make book in the time in the five kottah in we, we're to, we're

to, and they're agate, and they're agate, and they're not I'm afraid, I'm gonna Many of the watered there's about it's about it's about it's about it's about it's about there's a time.

Ternata, not just hiesan, so as far as far as Bungano, it's up to be able to be able to beware. And then, the moment of Bumegha, the end up again. Then there tombac that mhapak that's humphab to atas to the prud of him.

Imagine, back, Bungano, too, with the thinking of living here even so much the bigotunctu-old, Now, this has to tell you know, because because they're bigot of the people who are the people who are making sure how much. And we're going to be able to be in the world February, we're going to be in France,

we're going to live on this. So, so much more than the sameatman is really something that has to be able to see that we're but not with someone with someone so far that's the important the people and the important thing we should

do with the same way and with gaghani karno, try that year how we we're doing about we're doing about how much we can't go to hell

America try hebate, bettut, right we're not we're not we're not we're going to? At the right time

but but But again, as you said, aptly, there's just non-aligned again. Why? So, I'm going to

podcast, Pat, our Gita, because Boretho, because Boreto, Trenata, I'm not saying, but I'm not said, but I'm not

saying, it's really, yeah. The level I'm going to, why, why, this is not-aligned movement.

It is out-of-date. I'm going out-of-date-a-pani. It's just just disobeyed-a-old-old-a-old-old-old-old-old-a-old-old-old-old-old-old-old-old-s. . with the conditions, but... Peruval of it's not much,

yet this, this is perang-dinkin, Co. Custasian is agarabar, and the other. And, the other, that's a way of being a matter, and it's something that's very bad.

Bayang-cano, in the 60s, said, said, fact, the fact-a-d-d-d-d-n-d-u-hust-a-lac-a-cust-a-a-cust-a-cuh-a-cuh-a-cuh-lust-a-clic. It happens, It happens, it happened, ASEAN-C-COMinitas,

because, that's got termed by FBDA, yeah, which then, it's also, then it's upholed by the quatness, which is, in, which is, in fact, I'm going to be a bigot, don't.

Now, then, what we're, why we're not, we're not trying to say, the same, here. If, not know, yeah, if, this, this is speculative,

in the art, if, if Australia, can be be able to be as a, the country that can'tal with caution and isolation.

So it's It's the It's the gaited Indonesia, it's kenthaled with caution. Yeah, right? You know, that's what we're going to beaugh as a dialogue partner. Yeah, right? But we're going to ask you to go ahead. I'm going to be it. I'm not too much more than the world. I mean, we're not too much. We're not going to beckoncum. But then, sometimes, kind of is it's true, you're not. I'm sorry. I'm not. Cauting. I'm not sure. E. E. Cotor. Conto, okay, You, you don't want to beauntary, people who are we're notping. Can't go, can't go back in August. Now, some, what, that's,

manusia capal, let's, we're just to derong just to-cena. We're not trying to, not know, yeah, the government, or the way of general, to, not be in Javanee. Morgh, ma'am, sir, pa. Yeah. I mean, what, yeah.

Yes. I mean, I'm just a lot of people, people are you guys in jacobes in international. Oh, but. At the pentas international. In Pentas international. In the land of the country, oh, ribut. Yeah, right.

To Cavanee. But, but when it's out, the airport, oh, it's, because not not can't be English. Right. Yeah, right. This, this, this is a digress a little, but maybe, maybe,

the point it. Can't be it, if there are 100, million people of the English. Behya. Angupe-la, five million from 100-juta,

like Connie. Like, yeah, I mean, projection of power we're better, you know? Yeah, right. But,

not, but, don't know, talk about, English, not just. Tugue, to be able, to bea-

talk, too, the most basic, the penguasan- basa. Because, if we can be barbassas,

we can be communication, we can be We can be buddhist, we can't be able to be what name'sa, then, we can't be able to behasa, the end uprogyllia, because peradabond is turdhistation in many things that have been articulations this long as well as well, it's been great, quite, because we're being very bad about English.

In the above 5%. Oh, it's true. Yeah. From the same. Yeah. That's from... in the more than 5% that's about 5%. Yeah.

Bebain, if you can't dole-Basasian, like, can't basa, can't be English, like... Yeah, French, like you? I'm like people. I'm petipe. I can relate this with, this, this, this, this, actuality, in where there are people in Flores, he, in two-bossed,

he, can't be able to bea-engris. Oh, yeah? We can lessen, And then she has beena in the number two. In fact that's the power of three. But not only he can't know how muchanaed on the table for six angueta cargaglia.

But he's now. I'm going to say, I'm going to be. Now, that's confidence. Yeah, not? Now, that's right. That's a manifestation that we can't. Now, it's not.

That's not, it's, it's. And it's uphurt Pactur posture Pertananed kind of Pactual Kek, Kek, and line, like. So, I'mkata about Knazziah So far as one thing

I'm saying, I'm sorry, if I'm just 5% But confidence too important, because if it's just a word that can't be able to bebashas, the elmune also There's much, can't

I look at lusans we're out. But what I said said, I said, why they're in campus, because not have confidence to speak up, to give up, and, don't say, making up thinking of the same thing, when you're being challenged, many of the people are going to drop,

or get to, or marrah, or madh, but, in fact, I think, that's true. We like the ability to agree to disagree. Yeah, yeah? Yes. If, I'm not sure to say, capacity to spakot, for not's important.

That's kind of that's kind of that's the kind of that's making while democracy. Yeah.

Imagine if you are able to listen to the opinion of your enemy of your the most disliked enemy of yours that

that's, that's with respect yeah yeah yeah, right? Right, okay

we walk out of here we agree to disagree. But you you've doneerin panang I've got to go to look. That's what happened with me with me with Minnesota of defense,

Mr. Prabhuassovian. This, I have to calligraphications. Because I'm, I'm really, really, really self-hand-again, but but I'm at one point, we understand his point of view, he understands my point of view, okay,

from there, I get back, I'm going to inform again to the Kementer of the Department of the Havana. If you see my track record, all the Minister of the Union of the War, I I'm still, I'm still down. Because I know, at the titic it,

I can't get to get to get to be able to be it. Now, the fact that's the bag of that's right, I'm not saying, I'm not being COVID below the first

that's going to get riddened. But, but you know, that you're not that you're not. So, so, if you're

out of this be reader, that's badger being great-pank, he'd be able to not-gomong, no, no, it's wrong. We're not.

We're not. to beersamara of our better so please just can't do you are right or you are right that's just right so. So, not be able to

not too, because one day the time will be able to make sure. And that's that's not even has been able to be ready to be norfolkgan the people.

Okay, this is about the tatanan dunia, yeah. From from 45 to the 8,9 to can bipolar. 8-9-1,

from the one-u-a-u-polarity in unipolarity it's much to make a multilateralization because there's one one, as a police, jacsa, haqqqin, and all-and-somewhan

but since the 2000-an, this multipolar because there there, there'sk, India, Indonesia, Russia, and

and, and, paradoxically, with multipolaritas, more subalitualization. Yeah, right? It's justa, I'm going to because

I've got got to be me, I'm not a TK again, which one yeah, I've got got a good, so it's, what, yeah, era that's kindle with revisionism.

Yeah, right? So, So yeah, Tijuana, Pekugent Tataraned Dunya Yeah, I can't be Guitin'Atouran lo, because I've got to put in,

because I've got value that you have toormaty. Now, with gontok-gontokan like this, with the we're making multilateralization, the end-un-un-in-juk-nion, economy, yeah, it's, it's hard.

And, this we have to do-upy-upon, that, to make make sure-mank-allelitalization, it's not as gampang-uping we can't from 2000s, from 2000s.

After we're going to bilateralization or pluralitarization. Yeah, right? Yeah. And for the important bilateralization,

it's productivitazation that's the most important. Because if I'm jaid bagu in a 1.25 bachu, you know,

you're in a time just 5 bagu, tellap, you, right? Yeah, right? This,

yeah. This, this. This, this. This, this. This, this. we're really, want to defendants our time.

This is there kail that's for the important important industrialization too, right, in the

if it's people, you know, people, do you want to make an industrialization

in the country if we can't make up the productivity but we can't be a lot

productivity our, we're just $24,000 per person per person. Singapore,

$191,000 $1. Per person per per-it-it-it-it-it-sense. It makes complete sense. Because... Yeah.

...drear to work-to-examined engineering, bang-un-un-scrup-necchek, or chip-ne-a-a-at-a-a-a-up. For rocket, or missile, or whatever. Now, that, if, I think, I think, to be a biggian, from the people... ...secure-in-all-old. I'm notaric as,

we're talking about... about the carata-upon-and-a-invassi with the workers. There, can't have been there that? There's no one who's not that the power of the people who are people who are more productive than we than we're. I, too, when everyone who's people who are people who are export, bussar-besan, and I'm to China, I'm to fabric of the carata-aping. It's like a museum.

They where, in Africa, where they have who's a passport that's, because of the passport like we're, but the passport like we're, because of the person who's just, it's a person who's. And I'd ask you to tell me, to the chairman of it. Why, you know,

not make this with Indonesia? Why, you're more people than people, the people who are more than the people's Indonesia? Addu, this, the answer to be it, but I have to say, but I have said, the factor productivity,

he said, can't be able to, but Indonesia, in the world of the Islam. There's the world in the slat in 5thu. Okay? Subuoka, he's not. Baggian zuhur, there's who. Soilat dhuhuha, what?

He's illam. And if you're quick, pa, three minutes. No. Abis, he'll roboc. Nogh all right. Nogh all right. Yeah, can't dood. T'hah, yeah?

Then, duhah, then there's dhah, then, asar, illang again. How much time that's been made, with the lawal while in the same. you're in the peterset must make sure that's that's justerner.

And we're just trying to look to see us. So if productivity, I'm going to more more than MAMI first. Religious or spirituality. Spirituality. Or spirituality.

Dapot. Dapot. Dapot. That's. So. Sometimes, kind of we're not bad it I hate it,

kittal, I hate it, I agree. Indonesia as big ashebath, seaggagherst, this gregas, this gendous to playing victim. Terutama,

hormat we like with our wayang wea people who that. So, I'm going to take figure of this one

and I can be aphaluan national, and I can be with the person with the U.S. And then we're

not being mrs. Nangxedra and the word, it's not not being power, I'm have ushap we have been because of them to beaughan national

than the world. Now, what I'm doing with usherment with andri, our national resets our ship our ship, we'll have to be with Andreya and Portugal. We'll have to be it at one time yamatt.

So, really, can't why we need to be going to get it in the world there? Yeah, but we don't have a choice. Now, this is I want I said.

About how much we have to be able butpoo, butpoo, but also hasiped I'm the last time after after after question. No, because,

because we can okay, we can be romantic with the past our time, but we also have objective, right, which is always to be the front.

But, but what we have what we can't do, we can't be correlated with watak or character. In some of Israel,

Singapore, there's wajib militar. Yeah. Panagant you how? Wachim military that 1,000% are conscript, it's actually, yeah. In Israel, wacip military is done

since they detect, since they're still in S&P. Ketawak is, this is the only people, the IQ's the most important, they're coming to be fighter. Yeah. The person, the only, the IQ is the biggest, can't have been parloratemps.

Yeah. The two, they're who's up in India Maya. The other than the other than the other than the three To the other than the other than the other Forata the other than the other The other than the past, the other, like, that. It's been able to detect

So, conscript it's really, really we're telling us He is what, and what? Makhly, we're not seeing as a lot of people who are gawed Because he's underappetoratism In our, we're not, So, it's called, but what's the same But it's, the budget is very But the part of the answer is that I'm

can't ask you? Can't we know, yeah, background yeah. Don't we can't know how the background of what? It's always a day, when I was born, I'm going to be able to bea my dad. I'mu who knows who's what?

I'maacist, like, ISIS, like, in Asia Tengar. Want pingsang? It's, right, right, right, right, we're making them, and we bring We know, we know what? It's like that's the same. I'm like when I'm gonna'uera,

suragam's more than the same word more than the entire than the entire, sentathingatine little, this is where they, and we're just, so, sometimes, what, yeah, that I say, yeah, if I'm gonna say,

to, comealil, integrity, I'm, I don't want to pay that, but, but if we're, but we're, weimping the government, this, mempinkin the, communityan,

this, with integrity, we can't people who's human beings that's right, as well as the same thing. Because now we're conscript, but by the other other than I don't know.

What else? Now, can't be bad any not, between the Belanegara and the gada, and the clad of partai? If we're not aty-hati, we're building,

people to act they're saling to kill the sodrares and then, not themunum musso from the outside. And that's the PR we're peser

Wow Wow Endgame Yes Where do you see in Indonesia It's got to be in the question of the integrity Who has been

Bacapegated That's been Buccoecoecoe that can beaucing that can't if we're not talking about it We're still

back with the position Geography we're Rupa that if we is the same-game, it's about my endgame, it's upbucked people, wawasan people, this is the one-sathing, this is we're partanked, and then we'll survive.

Want 1,000 years, 2,000 years ago, and that's one that's required. Integrity and the compampuant to use the power of thinking of the future. Nothing else. Okay, subset, from the question the last year.

how to to make for careaumocratization with the bestrivation that we can't be able to the hands of many but also integrity, pedigris, model and attributes

attributes other. Mengingit that this catampangangu in a lot of in mishkin. Mening ignore the world of democracy, because democracy, to, in fact,

is just one concept that's not done to be it's about example yeah if you're talking about weirang in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in where? It's been meantarking how many people in the world if that's what we're going to we're going to be democracies.

So, I think that's it. How much to make our country that's the one time, have pride and integrity with the values that we're not not going to say. It's, well, I think back democracy to

because democracy is more not works for me when I'm not about Russia like America's not democratic at all. not that's not about democracy. You can't take money people in the samebarang, be gas

on the pay of the samebarang. You're actually, actually, I must be that. But, yeah, I'm thinking, democracy is a bitagherst democracy. It's important. How much we're learning

from all the other things in the world this to be and the most important, and the the mainlinement, because I believe that's how about how much the kesthetraan, pemberataan, yeah, can, the good-addilance, it's

really, really delivered, not like today, one billion people driving 7.6 billion people. This is unfair. Top. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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