Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Daniel Surya: Mendaratkan Indonesia ke Silicon Valley

Episode Date: September 8, 2022

Daniel Surya, Co-Founder dan CEO dari WIR Group, bercerita mengenai pencapaian, dinamika, dan tantangan perusahaannya dalam mengawinkan teknologi dengan bisnis selama 13 tahun lamanya. Dalam diskusi ini, Daniel menekankan bagaimana Metaverse Indonesia dapat memanifestasikan jati diri dan nilai-nilai kebangsaan. Akan tetapi, Daniel juga menaruh perhatiannya tentang apakah augmentasi dan virtualisasi realitas dapat berjalan seindah ekspektasinya. WIR Group merupakan sebuah induk perusahaan teknologi augmented reality (AR), virtual reality (VR), dan artificial intelligence (AI) terunggul di Asia Tenggara. Salah satu tonggak pencapaian WIR yaitu dimuat dalam “Metaverse Technology Companies to Watch in 2022” oleh Forbes Georgia, bersanding dengan Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, dan perusahaan-perusahaan global lainnya. WIR mengedepankan validasi, positivitas, dan pendidikan dalam menjaga integritas platform 3.0 yang dikembangkannya.  #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #DanielSurya --------------------------  Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/628119182045 Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: https://endgame.id/season2 https://endgame.id/season1 https://endgame.id/thetake Dengarkan juga di Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/72q1XjiuFViF2tx7IbQ5X5?si=B-l7hi7ET7uYmu6kbyhs7w Kunjungi dan subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu8fHdbHwJ1MFqf7Uz95aFw https://www.youtube.com/c/VisinemaPictures -------------------------

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for MISCADUTER-Intyreiberi from narrator Naurator Krenn Maint. Link Pemesanan is in description Now Back to the Show Hello, hello, time today we're coming with my name my my name my name isa, a people who are the founder of Weir, or We, Indonesian, Rock,

the company Metaverse. Daniel, thank you, thank you, Pagena, for Waduant and the undanguangelo. Tollong, be it's about the life, do. Uduh. Pahir, T. 21, May, in 71, you're six years younger than me. Wow, it's an honor, sir. So I'm from the family,

the number of the family, I'm the two of the other, we're three of our, all the way. Um, Iya, more, more focus in the world and in the health and

and so, um, so, so, the focus is, is to build something to help in many people. Maybe,

maybe, Our life we're three, the three-three are influenced to make something that, if you can, help in many of the people. But, even, I'm not getting,

so I'm layer 3-1-Mead-71, my son, and there's a year, and there Philip, who's six-torn with me. Now, the three-tigua-tie-n-a-a-a-a-company now,

before, pisa-pice, yeah, I'm back of the latar, in the back of the marketing management. So only that's just that, so I'm just because I'm from the kiddick. Because from the other,

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yeah, if there's school, school school to mowmongued, I'm at the other side, very smart, I'm sure you're in one, two, three, um, ambilier, one, more to finance,

so we're very much our, my and Ibu-sahean to give-a-nebushan for the other to learn, and one, and one,

I had from, we don't we can we can't be able to work with him. What? What? I'm a founder of the

of the Ruma'sakit Islam in Asia the doctorate, um, the, that's in Pekypacupakut, now, so, so he's focused on that, I learned a lot on the sysi investment from him and more of things that basis of edica business.

So he said, "'It's, no, you can, "'you know, you, "'if, if you, guys, I'm going to you guys, don't you go college, then I'm going to go college, then I'm going to get

there, no, there's hope, to be able to manage his future business. So, yeah, we're doing each other, ma'am, I, actually, I'm, back in the bidang,

marketing, and advertising. In the city of a global giant in corporate communication for 13 years. Before, at least, yeah, WPP, before, actually, this, make WIR with my kids and some of my friends I'm now. But before working in WPP, tellin a little, about the

program of the academic sandah, school in Germany. I was in Germany, in the Kota Hamburg, ambil marketing management, Why? Because again, like that's not get-tereema, Pat, I get-trimmed, not get-trimmed.

I said, I said, if you don't graduate, ya, you know, yeah, that. But, because I'm too active, Pagita, that's all active. I did, from the S-D, SMP,

university, that's the job at allan I mean, if there on the day Valentine's, I do it, the, at the, at the, I'm like that's how much.

How I think? Why, I think, why, people must be able to be able to be able to get in sales, that's, that's actually, I just know, there are people who have people who have talent different, then, then,

I was done, I'm going to in the company that Wela, hair care, shampoo, treatment, and, and, I'm,

I'm not in the retailing, so my clients, that was the people who are the people who are the people there, I'm going to be, because I'm going to be able to come from, and the people from there, we're going to be able to come from, we're learning, we're doing.

I've learned from from from from Wella, and I'm going to Garmin company there, there's name, Grid River, as a marketing manager, and, until, it's under the agency, landor associates.

In that's, I said, the bedang perfect, because why I can't be able to get people, and then I hobbying to get in something that's based on design. I used to think about

school design, but also not get-terrimed. I don't know what, because if we're getting, marketing. And, and, I enjoy really, and be able to be from

from many clients, There's a lot of people, we have a lot of the company, the under the company, the company, and the brand union. And from that, my and Phil,

and with some with some of the weir, but the the two-a- To-what- To do. That,

that we're, it's, it's, two, November 2009, but but inoperated it's about two years, so that's one, for me to resign from company

that's 13-year-year-old-careja. It's not gampang, and I'm thinking, what's what I do, but one that I think is, um, mya's I've said this, that's success, that's about me, that's

that's about me, that's success, like, that's always than I, that's always, but what he said, if you want success, the card of success for you, Daniel, is when your partner, more success than you, but you're more.

But, you know, yeah, that's, it's been gungue I, too, Dan. No, yeah, I think, why, that's, not, yeah, and not, yeah. And, and the, and the,

Isa? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, many a lot of the of the things I'm going to craft, so what's in what's going to do do, because,

my mom is, yeah, you know, the value, that to value, to, to keep the people are still

but, but, but I have been influenced me from for the business, jagain the other-a-being the other because you can't see people who's really

looking other than you but if you see you can't, it's something wrong with you, they're saying. So, that I've got to hear ya, so. But that's in the down, though?

Yeah, I don't know. Philosophy that's been to doxeran to make success can adde and the men and Right. Yeah.

I was, like, why? I'm going to do. What I'm going to do. I'm going to make sense, if I'm going to make a success, maybe that's my own. What if? If, if they'd want more,

because I always like that. But I just know that my dad's I also said to say to the other different, so. When Michael back, he's got to

be able to do not, to make a good thing, Or is sceptic? Surprisingly, not solead, sir, maybe I was a bit of a bit of a bit of a but, but, but, but, you know, there was a crisis in the

the, at the time in the, after the 2008, and then there was a crisis in company. The company was fine, but you know, with big company, there's conflict and politics, but I'm there's a moment, there's one moment, I'm actually, like, this is the moment of my

but the most of the same thing is, I think, the cat's a caring and passion that, I mean, I'm really, I'm really sure with my sister-adik's-saia, right? When I was, you know, the other, there's conflict. But I think, if I was my mind, if I was my father so that's something that he's something that he's that's what he's about that,

my mom, I'm, I just know, yeah, all right, I'm, I've never given anything, so long I've never pre-order, yeah, Pagita, pre-ordering, I'm asking the same thing to the atas, I'm going to layakkan, I'm going to beware of two of these.

I'm, I'm being like, I'm not, I'm not pre-order. I'm like, I like to like to like, because of the other than I'm like, Indonesian, and like two people, so there must be a purpose that must be

a purpose that must be back in, and I can think this, I'm sure that there's a process of the education that's not long. Yeah, it's, I said, okay, let me do it. But I said, like, Mike,

this, if this, if this, if, just right. I'm like, I'm like, if I'm, if I'm, I'm going to get back, I'm just, I'm just back, play play, still, but I'm still, that's because I'm going to commit, you have to comment as a business.

Up and down, you have to commit, you have to commit, you've got, yeah, yeah, tabungan, it's, you know, invest, and, and Mike, big endang the computer vision. So the wierousa is a better, better. Balinged reality, AR.

Then Mike, no, augmented reality, AR. Well, no, no, no. Who's the same? A con-receivable, Mike, I said that. Yeah, but... Combination is so much, so, tech is important to be to be a big of the life of manusia.

Brand, it's always, you can, how to make sure how much more than tech, but you can make sure, but it's a good, perfect, with the team that's a perfect combination. It's a perfect combination. Yeah, I have a

can't, maybe, connection with brands. I know there's a little bit of many of them in making engagement with consumers. And most of them, possibly, and efficiency,

and efficiency, and the speed, that's all the different, that's been derived with the technology. And it's to be not only weird, but there,

there, ojole, there, there, even, even, and that's

maybe, we're at one I'm thinking, I'm, maybe, I'm going to my time,

there, There's still up, but there's a start-up, but... There's, but... ...that's... So, I'm... So I said, with Mike, you know, ...dapotin the brand, it's grow, yeah. So I'm, maybe, you take over, this, the opposition, you know,

the opposition, that... Uh, ah, pa, but, yeah, it's... ...that, yeah, but, yeah, it's... Then, how... ...the business model that makes this sustainable? What, that? Because weir, to make solutions for brand,

so that they're getting engagement that more than can measure by using platform AR, but have used to use handphones. Phone or the light, the, not only on the screen, that we can look, the lighter, to be medium, it's the

business model is simple, B2B. And 2009, the smartphone has already. It's pervasive, then. Then we're looking, Okay, Indonesia, ARHRRRat Reality,

for tracking, take image, take on a content, in a medium, um, kota two, quota three, internet the one's not as bad as good now, what should we do? So, we think, many solutions, one of the one of the mini-market,

let's go to, the, you know, but, but we, we know, not, Marabal and to be immersive, the future will be immersive.

Internet is going to be because we're from the internet that's the buzzing being, if connect, like, web 1.0. Just can't be citesic, there's anything, we can't get able to, not able to upload, that's just we're happy, happy, then, then, then, after,

to, we're going to be able to participate. Yeah, we're going to see, This is 2D, but there will be 3D. because, nantiveness from the internet it will make manusia offline live in, not just gives data,

but bethutal, but live in the world online and immersive, with O2O. And that, we look from the first, even we're not bribed as... Biccarat like now. If, during, we'd say, it's always it's... A.N.N.A.B.N., we're not.

So. So, yeah, for consumers, for brands. From B2B to B2C business, revenue sharing. Belajer, but I'm going to be able to B2B, that's not able to scalable, you know, and I'm tired, every time, get project,

and then, yeah, yeah, must be how much, revenue sharing, yeah, probably B2B2C. Bealger, ma,

I'm in the process of learning, of learning, even until today, so that's. Yeah, endless. Yeah, endless, ma'am. And then, it's been wringing it? Hello,

my, I've seen often, I'm talk about for Indonesia more than in 2004, right. Why it's from

from where? Maybe one one of one one of my idea, public policy. Now, that's the

important public policy. To change is definitely also policies, right. And to to deliver it, it's the technology,

but too much, and putto policy. Now, the problem to beaumachming-in-cathes to make-actualisation solutions for various

permausual, apalagi that's the fact that's in the government, but also in the world-usah and non-profit. Mantan Sejant-Jat-B-B-Ban-Kyman-Kyman,

the president of Singapore Li-Lishin-Lung, and journalist Richel-Meado, Allosan public policy SKPP Indonesia school public policy in Indonesia

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time to happen, hubungi SGPP Indonesia through link that is the description. Now back to the show. So it's up to get to be it's up, ma'ampt,

but it's a new. So, so, investor, first, that's our clients, our brands. So we're very prudent, aty-atty. There was a moment, like, crisis, there was a two crises, there was a pandemic, the one,

so, that's a-counterable, yeah, that's a convertible, but, but, but, but, So it's from the bootstrapped, but positive cash flow. Yeah, positive cash flow, yeah. This is kind of countered with paradigm that we've seen,

right, right, right, right, right. What is this that can be able to learn by the young to the front, who, who, who am Imbaricant like Daniel in 2009, that? Waddu, I, if I, if I, can, not, not, not make-ciptical something something that's about as far as much more than

because I've seen that I learned from, when I was branding, but I was 13-town that in WPP, I'm looking at, I'm working with all the big giants like banks, energy companies,

FMCGs. They're very fundamental, sir. When they promise something to the consumer, they deliver it, and consumer repeat in order back.

So, He's just that that's just that. I think tech is like that, so much, like that. What I'm saying, I'm going to, this augmented reality, no,

we have a very long-term vision, but if we're just going to tell us, yeah, can't be salline if investors and not get it. So,

why we're doing fundamental as a business model, because we're not If you want to be able to go ahead and too expensive, you know, expanding too too, um, so, um, so, so, um, so the lesson that I'm,

at that's time, we just need to build the business with, with better, deliver. For us, to work, it's focus to customer, like, more, make them successful, we're successful, that, so, um, so, um,

focus on the other than what we learn, you know, fundamental, sting, the scale of the scale, must have a captive, if we're going to be able to beaacanal. So, because we're doing so. Yeah, that's the scale. Yeah, so. So, we're very grateful to support

with some of the investors in the awall, like AlfaMART, that. For us, simple, we put, we're just, because, because of two, because of two, the internet connectivity,

yeah, that's not as good now. But in Alphamat, connectivity is better. So we can put our AR platform in the machine, in the layout of the way of it. And... User experience is,

if the... ...theaqan to Alvahmart, in the machine, the lab, that's the daff, the A.V. It's just about embele-kemast in Alva, letackan in the top of the lightar it,

that's all content, pa. Now, there, can be sure, who's who's who's who's who's who's who's being people, or not, or not, or not the money, the reason it's not for the commasance. We have a hancathar,

DAV, that, if it's digital avatar, and we've already, that's in Alfa, that's six-tau-a-lars. If we were digital avatar, we're getting people, ma'aminted people, But even though I'm going to fatah, so we're like that kind of like that's like, so, pa, make relevant.

Okay, back to business model that you're rancol. This is a lesson, especially, a year, right, where many people who burn it, not caroan, for the importance, scaling, ternata,

not, not the jadean, and, Because of business, now, more than more than more than two root-like, if you're going to be a bigot-a-kind. He can use paradigmas with getting money from B.C.,

then, scale up, profit, back-ang-end, more, three, four, five, six, time, or from, from, we're more aty-at-a-tie-atty If you have to start over, you have to look at the amount of the route of scaling

with burn, rate that's high. I'm, maybe, still still amel the jaloohing now, because I'm not saying that's, because I'm not saying that one that's not, because I don't get to get a pathway that's for the way that's the way that's

for the fundamental that maybe the the other one can combine in hybrid but the foundation must be there for me why, because I and team at Weir it's still in this, I understand scale with Bern is kind of a

musty-to-it-it-to-es-cuit, but, for us, but for us, even if we must be able to look at it, at least, we've got, there's the basis, there,

there's, there, there, there's, there's, there's, and it's not, not burning, so, I mean, so.

So, for anyone who help us scaling, they, at, at, At all the way out there are From out, justly. There's more, because of the The clientele is more than the local,

is still minimums at that. Right, sir, sir. So simple that, sir. So, we're many in the US, in Europe, in Nigeria, anywhere, where, almost 22 countries more. Surfing more than

than 1,000 clients, what have been that's that's in the other than that's not yet in Indonesia. What they've got to be related product array of WIR that's still still still,

they're still that augmented reality to, if, you, back, that they're, while

we've done many, augmented reality, so. So, the first time we knocked doors, they said, oh, this VR,

No, no, it's AR. When we present, to all the big giants in the US they're kaget, like, oh, how can't be it? And they always say, you're this, this is a person, we're an Indonesian company, oh, no, no, you're an Indonesian company, that's, but now, it's been advanced,

they're, I mean, big giants, Google, and all the same, all the same, all the same, that we've done that. But we've got to we've got to get momentum, ma'bett. Beto, bethut we've got to get momentum and they've got to try, because we're Desnay Cartoon Network, we've done, we've done everything, so we've got to doot print our in there, we want two times beturut-turreturned-pern company, 2015, 2016,

same from AWED in Silicon Valley. It's, they've still I'm going to say this, this is the person where's about that's about it. Yeah, that's about it. Because, because you think not men,

because, not won't, the company, not can't pay for to pay a ticket, too, that's really, can be acuely

by Silicon Valley, the person from Indonesia. Not know, too, but, we're going and we're going and we're happy, bang,

um, um, to get to leverage, we've got to improve, so, up, up, up, up, now, since, it's, it's, now, it's already, people, people, the other than there's a bitaverse,

the pillar of the idea, one, there's the cites, one of the air-v-a-I-in-ya-i-in-so-interesting, so interesting, but you know about pillars in business, this, you know, you, as a-cour-conscious, to,

in software-in-a-old. Yeah, ma'am-tation. to get to hardware or content, that's kind of there, but why not, to content or even hardware? Two-two-doin-per-out-the-cpex and OPEX, great,

and, the second, yeah, we, focusing only on software, and platform. We're jagged in there. And that's what, in our most visible, and if we're from the ecosystem

metaverse, that's the hardware, and platform, the most of the hardware and content, and platform, everybody in big giant, just because we're because we're trying to make

a ecosystem, sir, back, so, actually, will drive people or consumer. Dulu, the human human life is offline, and then,

to tell, it, so, it's, it, And it's drive with online digitalization, but if in web 3.0, the online stingy, it's all the online thing is that will be validate, and that's,

that's, that, the platform that's important is platform that's that the mainstaking in Indonesia, so, in the same, so, okay, data, in the platform,

asing, but the life-ituped, it's, it's in Indonesia. So, So we have dignity and as a bunch of Indonesia to have this is our and our lives our, as virtual Indonesian,

not data, it's from there, but the life is just in our, but, hardware, very expensive, content, and other, even if we're talking about content, like Pixar, Disney,

they're, they've, we're, it's, we're, it's just, built a platform, platform and O2O components for the platform the platform for Indonesia. And Indonesia alone is there's been a big,

but, but imagine if in the world web 3.0, there's a world that's a metafers and the generation of the or the generation of the modern, the generation of the Indonesia, more than,

in the online in the not we don't we have the platform, or we can't, we, what, we can't, what, it's more be more, because 70% of our lives on the online, so how? How to be in integrity from the platform, from the the other things that might not good, from hardware or from content?

One, we have to the positiveity with the positiveity in the way, we're going to be, fact religions, must have. Yeah, that's the most important, but it's the bestabhaping, in the form of the generation of the next. So, more of the content positive that

that's that's going to balance and to make for web 3.5 platforms Web 3.0. Tensus just as in the same thing, government must be awes in, must be there regulation. This we're not going to not going to the regulations in NFT and crypto, yeah, this I'm going to be the

predateant that psychology, moral, and the other, internet, the first time had here Hadir in the world, you can many that's the main-enangang, but the most of the mainstangue is organization to the agamamaan,

they're saying that what's the internet is the intent more, internet is content negative now, and that's not 3D just that's even

immersive, and then the asset that can be by individual, with NFT. So... Okay, I putter again, Dan. Sorry, yeah, we're a bitrilled down here. This is, you can,

you know, that you're making a platform, owner, or creator, that integrity is, it's very much from intervention or interference, from content

or from hardware. If you putter back, How does it's how much, you justro, you can't even impact on the content or hardware from the time?

If you're because Metaverse, that's not the one company, not the I mean, the Metaverse Indonesia musty-mustin

by all the banks in Asia. If all of all of put and be get-grat, musty-the-quotan content, content, it can be managed. So, so for Weir, that's also,

powerful, you know, then. Powerful, you're like you have YouTube. Yeah. But, but not just video for communication, or it's basically putting the life into and platform, this is an internet evolution,

but it's not just a platform. So that must be the metaferset has been by people in all of the people, and they have to be part and deal, and each and each, and the MetaVosinia platform that we've built, it's, it doesn't belong to the platform, not for, not the, not the, not the, not the, but it mustinia, and this musty be, be open source-ed.

Yeah, to open-sourcans-sourcans. And, and with this, we can be able to be able to be able to to be the future the other than the better than better than the other than that, but, what's the other than in one, that's been in online, but the question is, if we take photo, upload video on YouTube, or in any one of any other, that data has

has been who? Yeah. people are about the data, but the data, but the human-immersive in the past the time, that will be the other people feel more than the way.

If, now, it's just normal, but this is more normal, because I can express it can expressly justy-diry-say-a-to-sac-life, that's actually real. Second life, identity that's the other one has, because they're in offline,

or in web 2.2.2.0.2.0.2. in the offline, I can't express to anyone with many of my. Alasance because, because, because, if, people, people can't be able to be here, many things, many things, so. So, second life, it's, but the fact, it's just,

simply, if you're about, if I said, if I'm saying Instagram. Is it's about the online? No, no. No, pa. No, painkin your profile in your second life profile in Instagram to be 3D and hidden. And you can live inside it, that's where 3.0.

And, that's web 3.0. And all components, digital, like photo, photo, mobile, photo, you can own it, but, but it's 3D. And your life is more... Niemann, that's what's the big giants. They're looking that there's an opportunity, that I don't only, we are not only, what,

only our data, but we own your future. Yeah, your future. Yeah. I want to tell you, this is the way that's the way here, here, is the way, the people can be able to be able to is the generation that by TikTok and Instagram. You happily mentioned it.

And, how, how content that's in the platform this is not to editorialization, like we've been about three million. More than three million people not curation, not the editorialization, and, the other than the other people

to, they're only only look at H-P and y' TikTok and Instagram. Quality time that's allocated with the people of the people in the house of the same, like you've got to be like when you're still, and I'm still, it's not like

too, not, but too. Now, what we're can do, to make make make sure that hazard like that'sart that can be mitigated. Because,

we're going to, we've got to have We have to have to education, and people who are the other than we do not, and we're going to be a platform that's in the for society. You know, there are in business that

augmentation reality, virtualization reality, but alangka-bye if augmentation that virtualization reality that's the it,

it's going to the next Yeah. Weak'weak is weir, we're in the world virtual for Indonesia's, for the generation, the generation of Indonesia. Because we're, because we're in Indonesian company. And we have a question, there's a quagipan, because I have a child, and I have a child, and this is a child, and this is a child,

This is like that's my own. We're not quite to make a lot of people to make a platform for, not the whole of the world can be here. We're focused to be in Indonesia. And, the other than making platform

that credible, that can't, the key of the key, the one, so, so when you become avatar, then you need to be validated the offline.

That's not only for Indonesia, so that's the virtual, they can't have option to the other, so they're gonna be, they're more than, they're more than, there's a benefit, or utility,

or there's a reasoning, why, I'm must be in this this, because this is Indonesia and I. The other, that is content positive, so, We have many

many of many of collaborations with the creators which, nantin'ten up 3.0 creators to be able to build content positive but with the language from the generation the group.

So, the way, we said, we said, we said, education, sir. We're doing education, we're roadshow to almost, almost, university, pa.

If we're going to end the university, we're trying to come, We want to tell them, Metaverse, not only this is the ecosystem, this is the impact on the depotism. So, we build this with all the capability to, so we're just to keep in together

so I can't, I don't have, um, we don't get met, we're doing. We're, we'll look, let's protect initial with platform

to make validations because because of the big giants into Indonesia is smart and they can't because they have they've got to have validation offline. And they make, because of China, US, they make offline. They can look at,

they're, they're, they're different, there's, there's, the, of Indonesia, we still see that's there's a cash society that's so we're just to get up,

the first, and the most important is education about what that, and my traverses, for us, for us, not just for NFT, not just VR, but it's the next evolution of internet, the most we want, if we're going to, it's going to, right,

it's a good question, but that's what we do is what we We have we have to do so many, that's important. So, sorry, to drill down on this point. But if I look, yeah, I'm gonna look at this, I'm gonna'nacket this, the other than they're gonna'nicket

between them, right? Yeah, right? I was always using metaphor from 7.8 million. This, the many of them only only to get in their but they're but they're not with the generation of the people who are the people who are

who's living in the world, since now, 107 million, manusia, communication, that's, name is a and I'm

and I don't know how I'm thinking my attention to, children, they're not Yeah, right? They're more than more than the kind of

more than the kind of a lot of the kind of of the other than what's the other than what can do you, in context avatar, or in context metaverse, in context AR, or virtual reality, to be able to jembataning them, more to be backang

so there's spion, and also, and also, can't even to the other to the past. Avatar, it, can be a identity, that's because, because of all of the people

actually will beckar. So, we can't makehurt misalyaarer in the in the room without, using, with

kacemata ER, or with phone just on. Gusur Avatar, that's animation, this is it's the same-dhame-dh-dhulled, that's about, and in the history of Indonesia, perjurga, version of Gusto, with data data AI that's already there. Data-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-culton-a-culton.

If we click Gusto, Google, can be out of all. It's just to connect with voice, it connect-in-again-a-animation-an-a-lust-old-a-living-a-lidentity. that can connect in Indonesia. to the new Indonesia. So, the way of the way of the different this will be able to make, so, that, everyone will be eternal.

And, the way, not sad, that's all of us, there's been a. data that's been absorbed by some AI giants. Now, that we've got not been able to beendary. But education, definitely one thing, that's like we've got to talk about

that's about the data point of course, that's going to do notewan to the current now. And, and learn again, tautousa'n't even there's no more than, book,

or even, because because the lighter, it will be more effective. Yeah, because visual

and, and, our own people, even if weh can't be able to do you know, though, though. But it's possible, and in the way, weir, we've, we've done, can't. It's also, like we've got

we've got, we've got, we can make what if. And you can use program to scrape data data on any of anyone, talko, or not as to Guss Dur, like Bung Karno, Mohmet Hata, Bung Tomo, Nelson Mandela, and

and, and we can, we can program can so if they're, if they're talking about situation that's already that's already, hypothetically, the answer of their kind of like how? Yeah, can. Yeah, can. Yeah.

And, and, that's actually we musty a program, so that's curation content of the answer of the job. If you're just because using, availability data,

they've already in AI giant that's from US, it's, it can't just be answered as well as Now, now, now, now, the web 2.0.0 is the development collection of data data our data, exactly in the data,

like that Google, Facebook, and other than it. Now, apache data data that is that is 100% is not, but not true, but because the media that's right. That's what they're not we're

exactly. That's making compilation They're not we're not that. Apocopoto, that's all of the web 2.0, this is now 100% right, but not even not to be, but also,

the next is, because there's a lot of the use of, and this is the dis-sala-pression, and the child and the young mud-ud-d-dirted, and the way,

the beauty is they will, the platform will, the platform, with validate, validates those information. Yeah. With what, with, with, with the other than offline.

So, there's process validation after, it's like, what, like, like, like, making, but there's got,

but there's there, there's, there why, the internet, it's, devalidation, that's the human's enough is enough.

Now, validation is there's in web 3.8. How can't you validation. One of the way, the best validation is connecting to offline, O2O is key. Now, thanks to blockchain, it's been doing, thanks to immersive experience, it can more much more than it's more than Heabaten, not the platform

back, you know, that's not that can't make a big platform will make the validation platform. But at local, each of the country can't make, now this is re-refreshed to back, rebut to back. Yeah, it's to be there,

the end of the other, right? Okay, let, we'll try book this in context what we've ever talked. This, if we're going to By the way, data, about depressive, anxiety, even though,

in the case of the young, that's real, and it's more than what we've seen before. Maybe, it was, the endataan is, now the dataan is

transparent, or more more, more than than the other than but, if, if,

about rebuting, So, in Indonesia, to be a realebutt humanity. This is I was a hypothesis that's actually in Indonesia, 75,000 years ago, that's with a lotupan toba, which where population or the people

or the people, to turn drastically to to 3,000 to 10,000, because that's that's a lot of catastrophic, and hemburged 2 million tons of material that's around in the years, there's one that's what I'm about 11-an,

there who's what about 1,000, and I'm going to be a good-hospherality with the other than the upenactant cognizant 70,000 years that later. So it's a jadeh 5,000-town, of the 25,000 years ago, where toobah the other than Tauba of the jadean, and 70,000 years ago,

which was the revolution cognitive, that's actually. It's interesting, that Indonesia is very important to to be in cerdaskan humanity. Wow, I've known to be it. Wow, that's amazing. Alangka-bye,

if Indonesia, too, can, you can, and this is how Indonesia Indonesia can't even right and to the right. Right, right. How do we take advantage of AR, VR, VR, metaverse, to rebut humanity?

Wow, good question. Maybe I must be able to, but we're in whatever little context, like what, what kind of, what, is? If I see, I'm sorry again, for us, for us, for the other than we're three,

from the idea, basically, that's kind of education, so we'll get a gateway, but, but the problem is, the way, it's how, online learning, and, and, and,

to simplify I was that's just as simple as I've didn't, but I'm just as simple as I've been many that's as I'm beingung, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-huh, uh, I'm gonna, no, I'm gonna,

I, I, I, I, I, even, you know, Daniel, the other, people are you, if you're not, senior, senior, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, so much disruptive, is massive, is massive, yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, I'm with people at work to be able to,

we're happy, but, for they're gonna be able to be able to, yeah, and be able to be able to be able to, and to build, um, I'm, I think, I'm gonna one, one platform new web 2.0,

which, And then we're not even like, like YouTube. Many of even if they're not even, even if they're talking about what's what? We have a channel in TV. Now, yeah, there's, many people gettawing, internet. Oh, it, bunyinging it, oh, and it's, but it's,

but we're, we're going to be evolution new again. So if we're not, if we're not, we're not to get-engal, we're going to be made from the side of immersive, but from the blockchain that's, it's been around 13-tawn. So we're looking visual part of it's important,

we're going to, but we're every day, not leapsed, using panca in-drawer our eyes to look at, With you know of the way, with you know what we've got to look at, imagine that we look at the content in real, and there's no other

there's even more we're making in offline and online. Very immersive, Facebook has out of touchable gloves. They try to so that the 3D that can be touch.

All of them are that like we used to like we've got, like we've got phone just, I'm from generation of telephone to must be made up, time to make of gina ginaw, now, now, now,

now, yeah, yeah. I'm from generation, I'm, I'm saying, don't know to look,

to look, to look, don't get, don't get, don't, I said, why, it's,

the TV's, too, the TV's, more, bigger, frame it's, the time, I'm not just out of the virtual,

if you're playing VR, right? Now, it's immersiveness there. And hebathing again, everything, anything that we'll see as a content that we can own, but with ownership and to look like that, it's actually validation, with validation,

so. We're bethutalue, hoax, hoax, who's not really, is, it's suring. To curation. Yeah, it's curation. Yeah, it's not being shifting, that's, because they've got to know, they're going to try, quote, unquote,

centralized, decentralized, that, centralizing, decentralization, but they're, that's, that's a, it's a, it's a, yeah, it's, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

this, is, right, Yeah, yeah, that's the internet that's the time this is that's about, you know, that's the big wave of internet, if I'm, and, I think, and, just we're up, we're up, with up,

with up, so that we're going to be able to be able, so that we can use that. So, I'm going to try draw a parallel of what's what's being in Bitcoin. It's more Bitcoin, because Bitcoin,

if I'm in front of the system that's a realative success to decentralization. Yeah, right? Yeah, ma. to peer, with the power that's distributed to be able to to keep in the way, to give to give the value

with a countable, real-time, and transparent. This, is actually, manifestation of the of the grelissan — — —toe.

—theirred of system that centralistic. It's what? —their system that's centralist there, or there's a flaw in, there's a flawing, there. If I draw parallel, that's the metaverse,

like I've said that we're saying that the question we're nother, there's unsur-unctrationalistic who want to make-oasai, or to dominations, or to control, all the things that mustin-stallisier for the importance of the mulea.

Is it entertainment, like, like, spirituality, like, like, whatever. Yeah. in Web 3. It's a big, huge, government, ma'am. Yeah.

It's not company, so. So, this, like, Bapak said, Bitcoin. Um,

d'olune transfer of $100 that from Middle East that's that in Indonesia just $90

to, to potong $10 $10. Three days. three days, man. Three days, right, ten dollars for the biaya centralization server,

that's not the sarsar-upacred. At least, with decentralization, it's dis-peracquatch to the server, did distribusically what server, di-validation by anyone who's the server,

that, it's, it's more efficient. Um, And it's it's it's just to be able to it's not even though

it's just, if we're going to see that's actually, that's, if I'm not bank, not bank, but tech company, with banking license, and they invest it so much money. But if they look this

as one that's one that where consumers will be able to be it. But the system they're always centralization. Now, this is what I'm going to attract, I'm not know where, but there are some banks in the world also, it's already to get into the metaverse,

maybe in the top of the the backbone of the the back-bone is the consumerer said, you guys are too expensive, we need to make it more clarity, transparent, and make it cheaper with,

They said they're validation in the place I'm not. Because of all right. It's powerful, ma'amap. It's so powerful, ma'amara. Sorry, back again to Bitcoin. Because I was curious about Metaverse to the back back to Bitcoin. Hebatheatna,

she's anyone who, he's going to Kyi Nakhimuthu. He's made up again, software this, then, and sustainable, and it's like, and it's like, and it's like,

to be able to be able to be able to control, whether that's from the mining or the control of notes, but not been a result, to centralize something decentralized this. Right.

But that's the same can't be a right? Right. And, well, with a certain, that if there's institutions or the quatheqqaqaed that's that what's what did what's the mettaverse,

augmented reality, or even this, not in the importance of their, that pre-existing. It's just, can be creak, did that. It's a bit more, it's a bit dystopian

for us, that's the way in the better better than the internet because of the world-wide web it's just like to be cased just but there's super power control that's that's always out of the future. I think they're making it but in the behind the point of it's a story that

who's already the story that's the the web 3.0 I'm sure there will be new few players or even from old money, that can try to go out of this. Yeah. Yeah. If in the AR, the identity,

identity manusia, that can be it's, we're going to be in platform database, the place, and the other, Bitcoin, and then the rest of the other cryptos. But I'm going to be very interesting. I'm not to know,

right where. Yeah, right. This is the discourse is, right. Yeah, I don't know how to where. But I'm not going to be. But I'm going to see what's what's going to happen. Potential, what future is, that's right.

Yeah. And, okay. Where go public? Yeah. This is this. Lompat, the share of the share of the same. What made it that's going to do? Now,

capitalization of the pastar, it's about? Seventh to 14, can? Seppat 14, but that's just far as high up in the IPO too. Jaws, five times. What attribute?

I'm justo, not even not even not going to get that long as that far. I think if you can if you can't if you can't analyze,

if it's the momentum is the momentum of the COVID, that's actually that'sheteries, from the digital asset and the permalive experience if this is digital asset

is blockchain, if this AR, VR, VR, AI. We're, we're, 12-tallon in this, and we've been many work with, we have proven track record,

but also Facebook has been the name but it's not ever, the metaphorist, but. So, but the fact Facebook be able to beaumandang can ARVR AI,

the thing of the future, but from the way, we're, it's very conservative, we're fundamental, we want to raise fund to to develop pipeline that's so that Indonesia ready to make metaphors,

so we're already to be able We're getting to do. But if we're going to ask, is it part something that we can predict, we don't know, it was all very organic. And we focused on the- Yeah, we focus on the project, sir, Pat. Excitement of the people's

to us to the growth factors of what, What is the growth factors? What's the way? What we're going to be? One, we're going to, um,

because from O2O project that we've still, even, even, that's, maybe, about 50% from total deployment, so we're,

so on one of the time. This is all this, b2B, yeah? B2B, And B2B, too, C, but not there B2C. Yeah. Not there's B2C. No, no, no, B2C only

maybe, time, time, yeah, but that B2B and B2C just, sir. We still have contract in pipeline that's actually much, sir. So that's the skill, that we're like to seepane, for the people that look how we have beenbeamang.

Also, we also have patent, we have five global PCT patents that IP, which has been made up-minute reality and applications, that's global. So, we'll exercise that, but from the pipeline, project, contracts that we're in hand,

we're at our time, we're, actually, we're absolutely, just out, ma'ap, now. Growth in sector of what, We have much. We have much in FMCG, retail, education. Both locally, nationally,

and internationally, but we're trying to push to entertainment. So, those four. So, where do you know, per die of the decedasal we? We look at AI platform

that we're very crucial, so that's very important. So we're having a lot of AI experts, both at locally and from outside, both at locally and from outside, we're just one, just that's just, like AI guru from Norway

that's, who's, to look at the data to be secure and and quite for Uygh and Indonesia. That if we look at the report, from Silicon Valley, one of the one that's what's out of art invest. That, he's,

that he's, the delta of the economy, from some of the sector, artificial intelligence, blockchain, robotics, energy storage, and genomics.

This total is two-a-trilyleon dollars in 10 years to the before. But you know what the biggest is the AI? And then, and then, that's all the little bit of the key. From there, I've got to see, this is the power of AI, for, especially that you've done.

Yeah, Ma'amin. If you're Gita, a avatar is just a simple animated characters, can, be 3D, that's nice, but to make a person, AvaTiata, Pagita, Hidotan, can must be suntick by soul's your AI, if you type,

Pagita Wariawan at Google, can come out, that's your soul, that's your soul, that's the collected by AI. And that's where your AI is, if avatar is to be smart or not, it's to be gantonged by data that's been validated, can. Nanty-3-0.

Yeah, got it's got to be... Yeah, right. Yeah, right. So, how long before we look at? A really damn good avatar. Five years from now, pa, three, five, five, five, and now. We're like Daniel, like that's

like that's the way. Yeah. The way is the same. So all the other than robot, if you're like, if you can't just in the industry performance, film King Kong,

that's Avatar. Yeah, no, Kinkong not there. Kinkong element, 3D, on the platform that Avator, and we connect with the data

Kinkong in the E, to get from anywhere. Then the king is becoming very smart, and this is a robot, right, it's a movement of avatar. To the future, you can build your own avatar easily like you build your own YouTube video,

Wow, that's scary. And you can connect it directly. And this implications, it's like to many, spiritual, education, Buda, politic, geopolitic. The future, political campaign, not the future.

In the future, it's a parallel campaign. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a... And it's right it's been validation, if you cannot, pa. If you cannot, pa. E, gritty. ...somewomeny, can't make all the hook stories. Okay, how to we can't even

to be hindering dystopian? Because it's gampang-mengen to think to think we're justin'an. Yeah, sir. But this is the way that's the good, can, consequent. Wow, how, yeah, uh, yeah.

Um, back again, I think we need to be well educated, on the things that we are adaping, is what? Like, we've said, how, how analogies of Bapa, maybe that's the

that we must we can say that in in a form of a metaphor like that. If you're just if we're just on the other that's going to be yeah.

So there should be a um must be the more more than I'm going to be I'm thinking I'm going to think

that's one thing that's one thing that's really because Indonesia is to be repud humanity, 70,000 years

with the other than in Indonesia 75,000 last. Yeah. Wow, I, um, will be very happy to support your book, ma. Because, because, this, not saying, this is, this is for company, but for, but, for,

uh, so, so, you gotta think big. Yeah. If you think big, the small things happen. Right, right. Yeah, right.

I always talk, you think in main course just, don't make in appetizer or dessert. Yeah. So, yeah, it's a big wave of internet, if we're saying, it's, so, it's like, but, but not even to becky-brain' yet to the deary-deariness,

he'll be here, this is the time, the web 3.0, where it takes over the one who created the internet. internet. Whoever the person was, but now they are becoming smarter. Internet is so smart, and all of a sudden,

they're making baby baby avatah manuci who's who live offline, and so smart. Okay, this is the era, now, now, we're, we're seeing festivalization or sensationalization

to look for popularity. That's more than that's right, but right, sir. Yeah, but you sound, or you keep sounding, that it will be a bit more. It can be able, sir, yeah? But I like your prediction. But try, yeah, in elaboration.

There was so much crisis in the Internet last Internet last Internet after the Internet Internet of the Internet, web 1.0. because of the human's not even maybe 95% because all the tatananan that's not able to get whatever they've got in as a first life.

The second life, ma'am, is the main driver to make an someone who's actually not like what's like now. It's out of all. And that gateway to make the second life, that's internet, pa. If you can't even if you're deprecise and boulderederee, pa.

But I'm not being flexing, pa. To make make make successful, or I'm a good guy, or I am this person, even in the world not like that. But there's a time,

it will be validated. Because internet is because internet is that's that's really that's actually exclusively for people who can

that's really if if internet will be a good, it's not there there's 880, now, it's the maximized can justru, this is the time

internet can look at how how much information to be pushed, sir, if I'm, and this is, That's been it's not because of the case, man-sosite, you know, Tombol Like. Yeah, that, that's that I've said

that's about, that's in the 2009. Yeah, Hatty, Like, that can't be under-share, Yeah, not-bisatheat, like. It's maximise the second life, Yeah. It unleashes the devil in humanity. So about about it's about that's notatown and then,

and then, Crop, where that's validate or what's not? Yeah, ma'am. Okay. Indonesia 2004-5? What do you have in mind? Woo. Quejawhan?

That's just, Pat, that's just, Paghan, can't. No, no, no, no, no. I always ask, Samu. What's, Dan, what you think,

real, but if you said that's that's about the there's been in the internet will be curation with escalation system or metamorphosa system that's utopian,

it's good. Yeah, right? I'm more optimistic now. But, if I'm, if I'm see it, one, single reality will be,

that will be, like that's a simple, that's more than being more imping. Singularity, for me as simple, a manusia, too, but the same asian nature. But, the impetus not even, but all equipped by AI. Singlerity,

manusia will be and human, the human, the human's, will be semi-gadgette. So there will be no more phones, hand phone in our hands, the lineh, it will be at all right, payment to skin.

that's just to dip just. Yeah, it's just going to get in the it's just. But I think it's potentially to be there, even, what, um, maybe,

in the bridging, there are some of the device still, but, but the future singularity is the, the reason is,

to make manucia and not really bad at the other than He's not really about it. If I don't know that, Pat Gita, I know that's about it, with the AID and photo, out of all. I'm looking at Indonesia 245 to be a matter,

that we're said, with the moment of singularity, that's already to get to make sure that's the effect is if we can't perform in web 3.0. We're in the singular, so we're the most of the singular,

but, but but you're the gadget, we are the gadget, from. From the other, we've got to have, not, no, no,

there, There's a lot of barter, there's a cashless. Not a layer, time, though, back to look at content. We've got to find out here. And, some knowledge that's already, all our, my own, ma'amap, that's not to ask your but,

but to ask Google, maybe more, but more than you, ask the baffirm. Same, the same. So, that, that, that has had had a man, and they've got, not to know this, pa,

not know what, this, this, this, man, maybe like I see that's a telephone home as this, so, manusia, will very, very smart, but all depending on AI. The danger is, when a country, Indonesia,

not have the platform AI in its own because when they switch off, that's it, then you're becoming people who are the most like that. To be able to be. That's up. That's what? What's what?

It's like that. Switch off. If we're not going to be from now. So, we're going to switch off, and we're all a physical body without so, so, quote, unquote, yeah,

yeah? This is, this is, this, this, this, right, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, many people who've been been imagine

consequence of singularity, intersection of biological intelligence, oh, yeah, artificial intelligence, that's, it's superhuman. Yeah, is superhuman, IQ, is,

yeah, so, yeah, the body, the body can be two and a half meter. Right, and it's not only, The more than 150, 200 years. That's not just frameless and casual.

All the factors that are about, so that's, so it's going to be in the last that, if we're not ready, that's right, oh, just switch off. That's like the ultimate augmentation. Yes.

Yes, that's... From the life. ...that's a nice term, is, right, right. What we can do, Daniel, to make make sure generation of the you're still.

Yeah, ma'am. Tomiwitwark, right? Tangu job commercial, it's already that's been to be able to back we're going to

and then, then, I'm, so, yeah, in the domain education. Cuncini's,

I, see, very old-fashioned, including To be, we must be, pa. To know, we must be, so we can't, and can't be able to stop it,

because, not there's something that's been created by-uped-borrow, that can't just, but, so manu-and, so, manucia, is, so invent,

So I just that's just that's just that's even if we're in Indonesia, we're going to be a person, who's been invent, and thenmooking things that's already. But he'll to be able to be sure if all, just the problem is, sometimes, raged or malice just. If we're raged to find and we're going to be HP, HP is the slogan not even created, but HP invented.

I think it makes sense. So I'm aware with with partners, we're doing with ushast, because we know we're not people who are the people who are the people who are the people who are the people people who are who are people who are people, but we're not going to make making that we're saying that we're creator, because creator is just on that's just as, ma'am.

And that education part, is important, I'm not for us, I'm not. Yeah, I'm as a spakot. I'm that I'm almost like, and how we all can be more be a per-peran to make-credaskan

the banks. I just, yeah, what I'm going to and petuah, pet, from our people from our people from this is the company that's been from everyone. Amen. Commercial is one thing, but I think

it's more enjoyable if we're doing things that can relate to the future for the generation of the other, because, like we said, this is a big wave, but it's not be able to it's really big.

And I'm, there's, many who are not yet to the gulmonging this. Right, right? And, and more important to you, I'm also, I'm also,

I'm doing to educate, how to transisiccicant to transition our lives, to the future, that can very exponentially better. Yeah, if you're,

if you're at the internet, live 1.0, web 2.0, that, the company is all, yeah, No, gougar, one, two, gougar, three, yeah, two,

but some, and some, same is like, countries, perhubah, but in web three point-cosong. I'm looking, in 2004-5, if this will be happening, not only on the company's level, but on the country's level, but on the country's level, I'm. I'm not sure. But, but, but, basically, who can survive? that is that's everyone that can't

can't make sure that can't make sure that's more than lessen or to pleset. Right, sir. Yeah, but I'm not, I'm not. There's some of the other, Daniel. This is fascinating discussion. I don't think we'll go about going to work on like M. Yeah, I think, but...

I know, but... Now, there's many of the people who can't be philosophic about. Or not to philosophizing? Oh, yeah, sir. You're very good in philosophizing. Oh, what'sa, sir? Cuchat, I just, I said. I'm not, I'm saying,

maybe, but more to, uh, I'm just to, um, because, like, by the fact that you're

amazed, I'm amazed, that you're, see, see what we're, even, even, we need more people like you, pa. To be able to be able to see

it's just to support to be doing to dook, where this is just a small company that I want to make make sure this

for this small company with big vision. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you very thank you Thank you, same, same That's the man, that's the other thanial Suria

founder of Weir, we Indonesia rock Thank you. This is Endgame