Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Denica Riadini-Flesch: Bikin Baju yang Sembuhkan Bumi

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

Denica Riadini-Flesch (founder dan CEO SukkhaCitta) menghidupkan kembali harapan yang dirajut dari setiap lembar pakaian. Meskipun warisan pengetahuan nenek moyang tengah menghilang dan keseimbangan alam tengah goyang, akibat lama menanggung harga sesungguhnya dari perilaku konsumtif dan angan pembangunan. SukkhaCitta adalah perusahaan bersertifikasi B Corp yang merevolusikan bagaimana cara pakaian seharusnya dibuat, dikenakan, dan dipandang—”from farm to closet”. Memberdayakan desa, melestarikan lingkungan dan budaya. Diskusi ini direkam pada hari di mana pendiri Patagonia (juga bersertifikasi B Corp) mengumumkan akan menyerahkan perusahaannya senilai 3 miliar dolar kepada organisasi nirlaba demi penanganan krisis iklim. Masih ada asa untuk planet kita. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #DenicaFlesch ------------------- Isi survey Endgame dan menangkan merchandise Endgame: https://endgame.id/survey Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/628119182045 Wujudkan mimpi menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya. Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: admissions.sgpp.ac.id  [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: https://endgame.id/season2 https://endgame.id/season1 https://endgame.id/thetake Kunjungi dan subscribe:  @SGPP Indonesia @Visinema Pictures

So, the other than the other than the other than the other than in Indonesia is, actually, caravan local we call upon Sari. Actually, Tumpang Sari, which is the how to plant name-moyang wei, now, it's gawonged in other-negrie, as regenerative farming. And they've found this as one of a nature-based climate solution. solution or solution eclaims of as aalam,

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we can't with cariffan local local this This is Endgame Hello, Well, Tumann, today we're in

Dena Riyadini Flash, founder of Sukkata, or Srinikai, or sometimes, the most meaningful clothes. Thank you, Denika, can't come. Thank you for having me,

Pagita. Terita. Lakhir 12 April, 90. My son, my son, she's also, Krask-Kepalah,

I mean, yeah. Dima, in Jakarta? In Jakarta. And, Like that's like in Jakarta, then the first time to

to Belanda, it in the same a, in Jakarta, in Jakarta. In Jakarta. Okay. Where? SMA. I'ma, I'm at Ipeka.

Okay. Adi Kaka, there, how about? There, I have, I have, I have, I have four, Kaka, and Adi. Oh, my, the other than, I'm the, the child, the child, so, so, so. So, so, so.

So, so, so. what's what's what's what? Maybe, yeah, not there's beban one of the other or a lot of and they're more focused on

the business of the work. Okay. Business, who are business, Aya or Ibu? Two- Yeah.

So, so run in a family. Yeah, the, my own-made really, so they're, from Jawa,

Timor, to Jakarta, with nothing. Then, then, now, really, without privilege of what, that's the

why? Why not to Universities in Indonesia or in the country other? That's the story's weird, so. So, when I was S.M.A. to, can,

uh, we're, we're just Rue Mili PIPS, right? Then, I'm, too, It's right, So, but I'm like the PPS, I'm going to be able to school

to the law of economy in U.I. And I don't know what, I can win, the first time I, I'm going to find, like, the kittancea of

economy. Because, because, in there, I'm, I'm looking something that so multi-dimensional,

that we, we're talking economy, we, we're going to the otherlinguanguan, we've got to mcuh, we've beenalonging, we're going to be able to beaure so. So I'm going to beaure economy. Then, I think I googling Google and I'm not going to gollascholah in the Belanda that's that long, dulaughanah, and quikyangyangy.

Because from, from the esmah, I've got to know I'm going to back to Indonesia, and I I'm more to be a better place to learn, where even the talko-tokoeh that's done from there. And I'm not even like, not want to Australia or to America, because all my friends'amacu, too,

so we're going to be able to be it, and then we're like, we're going to be able to be it, same again, right? We're going to come out of wawasance and perspective, right? So because I have one Erasmus, shukur-sul-dite-tri-same,

until now. What's what you've been in the Belanda? Special, unique, or out of the way-bursed? What makes unique, is really, culture from people,

I mean, in front of me, where they, it, to, gina-mere-kitts. So, so, there, hierarchy in-tark-

between, like, boss, or the-tue and the that's not it's not be aghap. So, even I'm even though I'm

very encouraged by mentors, mentor, mentor, and docent to, to ask-task, we're asking, we're, and that's something that, I think, is something that's

very good- we're- we're- not only menerima, but we're actually, we're just, to make-cure-critis,

that's right? That's that's about the same-a-tanking to do you're in school? In-room, to have been did-didig, or there caters-buck-and-an for people who are making free-thinking.

Yeah, because my mother-twe-cure so, they're really like, like we've done for you, so, so,

we're, we're, we're just, Yeah, yeah, they're like, I'm going to school what or what? Well, Papa, my-upacu-called, I'm supposed to be a notarice, because I'm just going to be a job. Okay.

I don't see you as a notarist. Bucan that notary, but it's, but like you, you're more, what, yeah, adventurous. Yeah, right? If notarist It's notarist,

only for the people like that's a noble profession But anyway, so, so, it's, so, to do you canjurk,

to do-enjurk and, making, free speaking, that, it's not more than culture shock,

right? Right, right? Because, It's just in Picu from the small, right? Right? This is more than a while in campus. Okay. Then, then.

Lulus, work in Bank Dunia. Yeah, right? Why, Bank, Dunia? As a person economist, I know, I, too, I don't want to work at bank, or like, investment firm,

that, like, investment firm, that. I think I know somebody who used to do that. I'm I'm going to Indonesia to be able to Indonesia so why I'm going to be because I'm going to be there, maybe I can use

experience and expertise my development economics to build upangun Indonesia that more inclusive. But, then, I'm not sure, I'm not there's

like there a little gap in what we with what we're the reality that's in the pathang. That's what makes resah,

how long? How long? About two years. Okay. Semper travel, not, to the area or what, that?

It's very. Daryang. Then, how, that, transition? Did you wake up a day, one day, what you're going to what you're going to do? Or maybe process is more incremental?

Really? Or it's also, it's been even, maybe, it's the way to happen to be sure. So, at that, when I'meras really, back school again. And then, just, let's think, okay, againalism. We're just for-profit just, right? Take an MBA somewhere, then, then, I'm of the big consulting firms. Yeah, yeah, well, better, better, business just, but...

But, when I'm going to doggulant that, I'm just too much I'm afraid of the condition of the healthing. So, d'bidivacchitis with tumor tulang which, which, even, actually, not-baghia or how much, but it's just... ...cup...

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that's the most of what we have, what we have and it's always always always always. Like economic theory, can, economic growths, it's always always always a lot, infinite. At least, I'm going to ask you to, what's actually we're trying. And then, I was,

I was therein'ucused to stop and start with tabungan and then to abuongan and then to back in the same time, I was going to to go to desa desa and I'm going to meet

the baby-in'a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. There, there are women, the people that we're we're still we're in the I'm looking I'm in the

samep't there's a landmapsed for indigo indigo it is a down that's used for the

color of so I'm so I'm going look like if it's there and there and there's not

there but there are there is there some people people there people who

there who've been puttani who spent in training the government to make sure

like that's like that's about 3%. Soca Cita, it's from three Ibuyne in, sir. Sissaning to? To be able to be able to be able to a moment, that that, that,

that we're, we're now, we're, we've got, now, we've got to know the perjalan what what is what

that's something that's simple like the way to make, we're like, we're going to, we've got, we've got to look, that there's a process that

bigot-in-lawed, even there people who made that we're too, that's that's all not even know. And this is

that's the people that really much good-to-exploitati. I'm quite when you've found statistics that 98%

from the people who that's about the abjewat that's just a lot of to workargeth. That's the living wage. And living wage is in atas UMR. So,

it's really like, what? You know, we're in Jakarta, we're, we're just bonga-banker back on with batik, that. But, in one side, that's made-lawed-ne-buck-ne-ha-cann-bis-hurted

from the ravening that's the moment that I'm not that I'm going to bring upbuncant that can't bring upbuncuncant people who are people who are in all the world, with the women who are in the desa, not in the fabric. That's also what I'm making meeked

that as long as I think the bagu is like munchul, that in the toco. From 3D printer like, to be it. really, so I think, it's really, you know,

even when you're just, right, then, and then we're gonna, that's just, just, that's a lot, wow. Yeah, right.

This, when we're, when we're, with how much something do you do and from where material it is,

and, from, it's, this is, this, this is, why, industry fashion And this is one of one of the industry

the most of the most quite as a lot of climate and also to have been, sir, yeah. Wow. So,

I'm not too much variation of bagu. I'm kind of people, lethackin, why you pay it,

it's just every day. Right. Right. Right. It's, like, Cita,

yeah, more meaningful. No, but, but, But I have to be like, I'm how, so that planet we're consensubingamungan,

yeah, right? For generation penrush. And if we look data data, it's kind of, you're kind of about, if it's, 60% the material that's

plastic that's polyester, that's very heavy-eimis-a-a-carbons. That's the rest of the rapists. 30-one percent, that's that maybe emmissic carbon is not big. But if not organic, it's, you can't be able to say not too ramah to the environment. And even like,

fast fashion is kind of great every day, we can't get model, every week can't change model, every month can't be able to be model, but, people don't matter in, that's just,

the number that's been able to, if I'm gonna be able to, one thousand jutsa ton that's been puttom. That, that's the dawer-ulang, that's more than one percent from one percent. ...difference,

that, how much? Sopment you can't this can't be able to hear and be embraced by, shuckers-sucur, 2.8 million to the planet this. Yeah, right?

Yeah. Yeah. That's, I'm notaric, that's what about the impact to planet, so, I'm, maybe, if I'll, I, can't, I'm,

yeah. Yep. Yep. So, right, I mean, said, that's, the tip of the book,

where we've got to make uprook-customer to make sure they can get a pedant that adil. So, we focus to that, social. But, there, I'm not going to find a problem two. Y, which,

pewarnaan textile. That's now, that, almost all are di-warned with chemistry. Now, what not many people know is the power of the chemical-pahed, pa. So, he's also very heavy

when we look at the impact carbon but that's also, actually, what more than the more than it's a impact he, when it's been doing-bueung. And, now, because there's not a regulation, almost several

about 100,000 ton toxic chemia that's this every day, this is about, like that's just but just about the but they're actually better benarajian in rumahed, that's been able to be able to beware of their own, and where they're going to look at least in order tocule airde and where they're also making upil aird for sucibibeye and cuci pyrrined.

And the power of chemistry and everything, majority of Azo. it'so-a-oh-itinogenic. And he has been gung logam-berat. So, there's been many studies that men've been found that community that's

in the seagliing in the sunai, like, the contoursesotor in the world, that's... The most polluted river in the world is in Indonesia, in Cittarum, Jow-Barat. And when, the test in the ramut,

it's all of the top of the normal, to contamination, logam red. Wow. And... Contribusiness, where, so, this is a-outre in the world? To be able to beauntled in the world.

So, the kymia, which is used to the people to make-stile, it's going to be gone to bea-losting. And, even, there's a plight-y-plank, But if we talk in toxicity it's actually from

chemistry, textile. Now, from there's I'm from after I'm going to be able to our pollution air global, it's, from how our jacket

our jacket we're in-warned. So I'm look at from micro-level how it's the damper-to-desk from

macro-level, 1-5, from here. And this is But I'm really, like we're not think of when we buy a few we think of itchew, we think of a lot of item, I'm going to buy a black, but

we're not being asked, this is what, the colorna how, the colorna's what, and limbaghs are to goang to where? So, without we know, evener, the a buon who made

the body our, and planet our, actually, it's subsidized the bagucus, The value's actually that's about the value that's about the way to be paid. But it's a lot more than

it's by, you know, that's made, and the land we're. And this just about about the power of, yeah, so, after we've got,

we've, we've, we've, then we've, the first of the other Ducatita, where I literally, the Desa, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, myel. Dull, we were what?

And from where, then, then, when we're not there, we're not we're going to incorporating

petan in the supply chain it. So, it's more to the coloran alam, right?

From we focus to then, I'm I'm this, Because what we can't do not even if we can't negative. But how we can't

make a badju that actually can make positive? And that, I'm also, I'll juster in again, to the face that you mentioned, material. Like what I said,

right, right, right, we're not just, we're not just, We got to puttick. And, we have to putrestered, if you're the microfibrethed, it's been too buon, right? That's right.

It's all right. Yeah, what we're trying suntou or whatever. And bajuea, this is not biodegradable, so he didn't bea-alam, right? And what's not biodegradable? Yeah, same with plastic. Boto-pastique.

Cumae? Cmptu-train. It's like that's a bagu, it's about it's been, butal plastic, it's been, and what's interesting is, even even when it's not real, even when it's natural, like cotton or wool, or linen,

but he's used the color of chemia, he also very hard to grade. Now, from there is it, then I'm going to wear the nerd hat, Thenarie, actually,

the fiber, actually, the originator, it's the noughtonation, that's the long as well-in-upon. And I'm looking atop. But, what still amperhating can is 99.9% from capas that is imported, and we're not know that it's from where.

And what's interesting is, from the global. Yes. China, India, Brazil. Brazil. Basically, right. But what I'm also, the tapas this is now also one of the time-torn

because to manam he, he's too, he's really very water. He haussed back. Imagine one t-shirt, it's pretty much water like we've been one-tourn't-one.

Hany on one t-shirt. And the second, he, really, butuosite. because they're not even monoculture, you're really like, if you're back, the land has to beabask,

then, he's only didan capas. Now, I'm just quite that 16% from insecticide that's used in the world is

to put upas. And, the way, it's, really, it, merusack, so, so,

it, through through pemanguanguang, and through chemo, it's really, really, it's really, really unsure hara from the land, until the land

it's not able to get into carbon, that's what, that's really, that's really important in the war

our world to happen change, not only from polyesterer just, but really from material it,

that. Now, then, then, the most, the United States, that's 180% deyrajad but I think, but I think,

in Indonesia, in the areas that are the area that's the area that's green. True. The area of the area Timur. Sumbah, solesi. The areas of the area

that's kind. Then I'minkir, then, I'm thinking, don't, it's, can, be it's supposed to be able to get in. Before,

the endang, the bank, back, it's, it means, they're, they're, can't,

So I'ma-fartisan-fieda. Varieties is different. Beda. Okay. Varietas our variety is better. And, I'm really, literally, generation from the

Patanikafas in Indonesia to find out how we can't can't make catas again. That's that really, really,

and not really monocultur. Yeah. So, in Indonesia, it's also, it's, variety of the other, it's about, it's not even though, it's true.

And in Indonesia, this, can, it's actually, Karifan local our name, Tumpang Sari. That, too, to, for me to walk back

to the desana, get to the , where? In, where, this? In Tuba, Tuba, Jawa,

Timur. Uh-uh. Awalalah, not even, it's not much. He's just trauma. When he's a lot of NGO that's before me try to make up to take, but then they're they're going to let's get to come on the tapas. Capas in Indonesia, it's almost no-hagued-hagnan.

So he's really, like, no, I'm going to. So I, two-tanguant to, to go back a couple of times to the same, just like, like, like uppire to the house. Like, like that's the time. And moment, when he wants, it's actually, when we're like, the end up pandemic.

There's no, there's a lot of, he thought, there was, oh, when that, there was, she Denicka, who, who, I'm going to buyer in, that, right? And, and the land he only only just nanem one-geness taneman,

That we're, really, budget for 23-trans-tonism taneming capas. Capas are they tanemes at the same-cabes, in-samping-caheh. Because he's been given to. Cabe-raud. That, sir, ma'am.

So, persebalan with Pucat, dureen. They're so, so... They're so... Bapag, you, like, Kekek-Bah, I'm going to be able to... He's not even just one of the humanent. Right.

So, always in the bent of the capas this, we're taking that's the way that we've got. Two years then, then, the panen capas'n,

naik, six-lap. At the land, how big? One hectare. Because he's now not again not like to use pesticide, not-pake,

not-pacemia-pap-pac-pac- He, to, he, to smear, He's there's just the same It's about consultation with you? Consulation, so we're really, what we're doing, we're doing, we discuss with communities,

what that's what we're using community. That's what we're taking. We're just very much about outside knowledge. Because we're not going to messack what there, that's. More kental with tradition from Nenek-Moyang.

Okay. And what's really interesting, is after two years, after they've seen, wow, panendia naimed, jow. Then the other, the income, yeah, because, can,

panes there are, too, tanemann. So, he's always put up to sell, right? Now, then, and, so,

ecline, the time, tumpang sari, y'it, that's, the, kind of, we're,

downed, down the world country, and they're and they've beenamooking as a lot of nature-based climate solution, or solution eclaims based-alam, which is the best of quality. So, it's the hope for scalability there, do you know?

There, so it's, so in one hectare, that's how about, capes? One ton. Then, consumption capas for Indonesia per time, to what's about? I'm about less than 100,000 to 1,000

tonne. 1,000 to, for composition 30, 40% from, from the total textile that's

the other polyester, right? Right. Okay, so if 1,000 to, if we're if we're put

capas just, sorry, this, this, this, hypothetically if,

if, polyester, that's by the capas, yeah, the cost, yeah, is that the math? Is that a math? Is that linear or,

maybe, nonlinear? Actually, what we're going to, but not only supply side, but also demand side the main side, the same. So, I'm sure.

So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, because, yeah, that,

Because, yeah, there's there's intervention that's about, the main side of the main side, you know. Yeah. In one side, we're even perlew as civilization to make surey consumption our. Okay, if at supply site, this is very technology-driven,

yeah, right? To more india-in'er to the more end upan. Yeah, can, how we can't produce capas with a way, and the way of the way more than we're in the way that we're making sure we can produce polyester

with technology or method that's more than livingcunan. Yeah, right? So I think, the power technology is very in supply side. Demand site is, the devil.

Yeah, right? Education at demand side, this is the devil. how much for nureani that's true. that's not to be sure that every time they'd be a t-shirt

like, sucur-sucur, but if he'd every week buy t-shirt, he's sadder, not dampac to the environment? Now,

PR our, we're going to beman, say. that's long as well-belaracted it will be able to the key-entingingam supply site to be able to be able to be. That's true, sir, sir.

Actually, the problem-utomac-utomac-it-it-mobomay or people not-en-ragin. Yeah, they don't have... They're not... They're not... Like, I, like, I mean, like, I mean, I'm not know,

that, it's not... And it's not in the topo just, it's not, there's a new-a-coy-cane, like, so, right, so that's the way that so much-cita, that's, we're heavy, we're very,

for education. Moulay from from from from from from from from we're making we're using plastic, that, issues this is that

is the the we're in the we're in the we're in front of the but for we're making the matrix of successan we we can make

make sure when we're the lemari from customer our it's making less tough but more meaning but more meaning but I'm

I'm actually I'm acu it's quite bad, sir because the truth of the matter is that people people don't buy that's about

people who's using people who's that's about so that's why we're making the product if our product that's inferior

we're going to be panangue about the impact about whatever that? Yeah that's what I'm

that's what I'm that's what I'm fall from the social enterprise is that's used for the purpose their to be crutch. Sedangka, what we need to be a movement where we can't make upbunking this, we can make, make them makelead

things that did make sure that's made by the customer it's been humudacan. He's made something that makes he makes it beautiful, meaningful, and with making them make sure. And by that, it's nother can't be a new design,

it's a new one of the design of the first in the desa. Yeah. That's the narrative of the philosophy is how much, he's got. This, I'm going to book us in context, what, yeah? If we look Google, it's appeal to the otok.

Facebook to hearty, TikTok to the hearty, Amazon to Gat. If you, Apple, to torso. Yeah, right? Yeah, can, sex appeal. They're they're very for the other than the other than the other than to make push demand.

So, you can't make the demand. It's, it's the design philosophy. Design philosophy is it's more to heart, get to the perut, toot, or to torso. If to heart, it's, kind of, sometimes, price elasticity is not too high.

What's also? That's not a price elasticity Yeah, right? But if you're got, that price elasticity is a big. So, pricing is, important, or to get to,

yeah, maybe it will be making time if we're making a design philosophy that's not with the brain. It's hard to ussac to get people that if you, you, if you, if you, if you're like, you're like to beaughan you're going to save the planet.

So, you'll pay just, de, you buy the hargaining 1,000. I don't think that's the approach, right? I'm just curious from a product positioning standpoint. Right. How that, design philosophy. Yeah, what's true, sir, pa. So, in all-a-wale, when I wasa-cita, one that's a bigas

is a bit of the people that's about, every time they're made up to a carine, it's, they're making a story or a boa. That, in front, I mean, really, really, yeah. When we can't even make-enacanagan a doa, that's.

Not just some anonymous clothes that's made in a massal in a building that we don't know where, that we can't even if we've got up to be what, but when we can't use something that's made by the mother's

and it's a lot, and this is something that I'm just a nerd. I'm just a nerd. I'm not ever kirkirkirkirk or want to be enterprise or to have been entrepreneur or have putt up, you

can. Then we're, we're always I've got message from our summer they're never, they're trying to make sure when they're making sure they're making sure

what makes them happy what they're making what they're making sure they're just maybe when they're just thinkering, there's who, there's that's making career change

from because because of their sucha-cita, and then, the words that they always they're what they're in the badgered, this is the most brand of the same thing

the most meaningful clothes because this something that really, really, berasal from community our, you know, social listening, we're using kata that they're making people, so that they're more get to, like, for example, in baju, baiju, such, it, it, it, it, too,

there, can, there's motifs, motif, yeah. That's about somebarangue we're not even though, we're back, we're making, that's all that we're trying to from the desa. Contonial, this, bintang, bintang.

This is motif traditional from the city's first we, right? Then, the first, it's very ethnic, in traditionality, and then, in the time of pandemic, when I'm not over the world, I'm nothertaka,

we're like, we're like that's the last really, it's very bad. Imagine, in one of the day, the only provider in their family of their,

the wife's in the work in, and literally, in one day, that's in a few days, like, panic, or, is, we're going to be retent?

And I, and I was a very fearful time. Like I'm like, like I'm like to get to getchita-bysa but I think that every time I'm just looking like to look atas like to bintang

I'm saying whatever you know, guide us now so, so the a bubu make up

doing the same so I'm looking at bintang, I'mu-u-cote too look at bintang, and then I'm laircuh, I'm going to research research in the book of the

we're used to when we're looking like when we're looking like to atas like stargazing and everything that's. And then, outerunned

where when when when the night is the most that's the time we can't be resinar

the light the right. When we we can stand for what we believe in even though it's not the easy thing that's

when we're being a bitang that's a lot of people so, yeah. Amen, I'min, I'm going to take a baguio. I'm going to give many a lot of

to be able to be people, and people around. And that, that's really, the way, make a new, we're,

they, not, back, like OOTD, that, they, they, they,

they, like, Rewat, that's right, that's just Same, even if it's down to To pass down to the other than you're. This is, it's been for taking Spatuckus'embourg. Because I've got promoted

Spatunctu-Spatu-Graise. Grace's up. But, but, can, that is through sustainability, like we're not able to docile this with

the money with than belgia-level. Even when barang-morrow this is the market as sustainable. It's the way, but it's true sustainability

is when we can't make the way of our own back with the things so we're more appreciate it, so we're looking at, if we're resa we repair, then we're taking over-torn-torn,

can, so we can hibhackan to the other generation of the next. That's, I'm going to, support, supir.

That's, That's also that I like from Cicita is, people kind of look at us from the world, you know, like awards that get-trimed, certifications, I mean, all the success. But, actually,

in fact, I think I'm more fulfilling, is when we're looking at the impact that's in the town, like, like, for a couple of years, I was a field trip, the one of our lives, the first time, when I was in the tombok,

they're notarer's-cretas, to tell them all right, because they're not puttapap. And then, they're being brainstorm. How they can improve education in the daysa that?

Or room, that. Cool. I'm thinking, speechless. And, and after that, they're,

they're going rotong, They later that why they're after the MP-6thec... despite that's because the parents just put所以 and when they're still got back to the head, their can't get to school.

But they went to put them to, royong. They'd buy mobile gentleman. So, mobile jimbutan is just for the other than-hand-and-a-despotation. And for me, it is the poweraer,

when we're not even a hero, that we're going to be able to help them, but when we're making them access to education, so that they can't be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be. Great. You're, kind of, from the naddain, to, optimist,

on the mass of the past. Yeah, right? Optimist, not on going to success and, but but optimist about the prospect of Indonesia

much more more than can't bring up again. Pallagy earlier, this before this had,

I've got made know, there's penguumann here here about

the pachigbana patagonia to a NGO and and allan and,

and, Talk about that. And how about that? And how much about optimism you? To massive-kind movement, this. Fromed with Indonesia. But this, there's, sponsor from the world, the company that's great-b-bott-tibanked-nir-nir-in-sertensut.

To givehack-backed, for all the repimilikation, for the kenting-an-in-o that, succour-sooker, more can't show-suker. How, man? If I think I'm not there's

this is about the survival we're going to so I'm not sceptive like what I've said like meeting war on the country about the climate and and the other than and also

actually I'm I'm not really actor that's the first is the first-private business. like that's what you're in the way to happen. Because of Succa Cita, we're really can make sure make sure

to make sure-term shareholder returnernered so. So, so So, so that day-pagued, I was like to barra, like, I'mbera, this is. Yes. Yes. Now, it's, can, discursioning is a polaritis, yeah, Pa, like,

between us, we have to be able to a person activist, or we're for-profit, company, that, right? I'm I'm not even now we need to be able to be able to be able to be one, where we don't have to make either growth or

impact. How if we shape the narrations to be, what if we can grow because we are impactful? That's what for me to be non-negotiable in Sukhita.

We're too, we're doing bode. Like in phase of this, we're, we're, we're just print just. Print motif. It's not-papinging is but up, you know, whatever, whatever,

but, but print to, there's a line that's much more, so that's from there. But, but for me, it's, it's not because

what's what, it's, it's, there's in the world, we have to be it right, that's under the world, and this standard standard that's not we're not even we're curbaned, only to bekembang semata. So, what we're asking,

is gross at all costs. Like the time we talked about the day, right now. now that's the narrative, because, man, economic growth, but, you know,

onwards and upwards, without batas. Unlimited. How can we have infinite growth with a finite planet?

This is true. This we can segue to topic you just touched a button. I just to pencett, the topoling it. This is, you know, I'm gonna do you know, we're did dig, yeah,

with concept economy that is called Keynes. And, the more I'm galley, mupas, I'm more than I'ma, like I'm going to be,

whether the concept that's about economy? This is not? And if I'm, the laahed, it's, it's, it's tumbled for a year, for 100 years.

This is 14% and that's by parcar say by Bank Central English. that's not only in the one of the first one nine and english isicab to move to the war the first and when the bond the issue i forgot three-a-fourthraptu jute pound of that

not dimacan by public 100 percent subscription it's just 1 per 3 if i'm so how much so how much the same the three And then the land central with the bank central. Now, that's the start of the pencetaken and coincidentally, it's the time where Federal Reserve didirical.

So, the legislation federal reserve is done in 2014. And, since, more than 100 years' This is the last year's the last this, this, this is the last year-the-Nagreased by the U-Nagra-Nagra-Majou,

Europe, the U.S., and America-S. Japan, and Tjongok, but more that were contributists, to, America and Europe. And this is that it's englembung-kand

PDB, because money-supply and increase, P-DB, But PDAB, but Glembung-at-a-b this not did-ponging to-pang or not-d-dumping

with the increase pay-belie. And the peng-gulumbung money, this is all with,

if, in-d-you- , if you, the , uh, the, the warasan about the world

because it's more than we're going to be it. Yeah, well, we're backer just, we're going to beck. Emissy carbon, the more than we're not peck. But if the number of money is finite, then what you alluded to earlier with regards to the infinite nature of the growth trajectory of something that

isaacan. Yeah, this is it really. That I'm going to be able to hang out, because you know, because you're, it's the number of, I think, the people's the people's of the time 70s,

we're to, if you're going to make samay, it's 25 perak, get 5 big, do, pari, tuff, kentang, what, uh, what, uh, telor,

omai. I'm still, I'm still, I'm still, I'm still, now, if you're going to buy shomai, at the end of the

25,000 perak. So, so my, one piling, that's a-u-u-u-lis-u-lis. GDP, we have we have we're 20s. Now, $1.1 trillion.

GDP we've got to be able to 40-a-cali but the price Somalia already over naïxer than 1,000-lipat. Artinia, it's that's delusy, right? Now, this, not there's no matter. This is something that I,

think, you know, malam. Nambu, not? It's. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, ma'am. Yeah, back. I'mobrolinic, but, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, it's about, baby. Yeah, right. So, yeah, I think, this, this is, I think, this is, it's not, about,

the concept that we've to us, yeah, the, to dispel formulation mathematics, that's the

y, or output, as to, whether that, C, G, I, plus X, and M, and minus M, same with, Well, if they're like that's inflation, if they're doing the same thing,

the same thing is. If you're going to resett, but why resetsing with inflation, can't be a situation in the same? Artiness, this, is it a stupornaan, in the way of humanuelsior to formulassification perilacu economy. Yes.

Now, this is the number of, with, with the wrong-nong-jav-manusia. Yeah. To... ...mellarer, to, to lookaqa? If you know,

part, so, part, so, one thing we've done in the economy is, there's externality,

yeah. So, we're living in the world material. Like, the thing we today,

there's a amount of material, and what we're, we're not thinking, is,

with we making more material this, can, this is good for PDB. That,

but, but, but, production of material this isle-thisternality, the world of fashion, kind of the kind of I've been

seen as I'm in a lot more thaninginginging pewomenal, because pewarnan alam didn't make surestaking externality to have the sunai and the a bubunuchy. Now, externality this didn't price in. Because what? P.D.B.

We're gantung to quantity. And the way we push to the consumer is by the more than more than more than the product. And so much barang that be produced, the more than the energy of the power of Dekyllandah, and nother.

Okay, sorry, I cut you up. Plus, then. Taddy. Tad, Shwai. I had been a kubikikik. Oh, d'u, yeah, parkir. Taw, 20-an, 25 perak. So that's the stilagoo.

That's right. Now, parquet, 10,000 perip. It's not yet 400xx-laped. But PDB, just naiped 40-cali-lipat. But what's interesting, from the year, from now, this, industry fashion, the price of our adjuic our country

that's one-stri, that's down. Now, if you're handing it to 90, until now, real price from the we're just a paro. And this is... ...smoking at the expense of someone who is paying the true cost.

Right. We're not that's perkemangan P.D.B. TANP.? Exactly. It's not a long time. This is not the reason

you're out of World Bank, right? Not, Tuna, this really, like, what I'm thinking, what I'm thinking, like, such-cita We have we have we're like I'm saying, we're

bad we're going to be able to scale scale scale scale dual more, you know, virtuance, but I'm going to be a narrative now which is, more is more than more, it's, it's, it's not beener. Like, example, Icita, we know, we're a ideal size, and when we get paid, it's This is that I'm actually

from the people of the people our people our people we're actually know definition and this is that we're in maybe we're looking

we're looking we're like we're like a hamster that's like we're in role we're always but we're not ever we're trying

If I'm trying hamster who's I'm just I stopped. I'm just to buy. I just bought one of the other, the type of the other, even if I'm going to go to the

school in America, I got a to go to 22nd Street at Berkeley. That's only a jeweled bagu-beckas. Just out of the interest of saving the planet. To go to the good-engeran, Kedonga, Moolahmafik, but do you're made choice. Now, back, to discussion,

how, we're going to make people in the sector of our own as far as far as consciously making that choice? Because if they're going to take a pillion that, So as a gradual, like, or as far as far as the demand side of it, it can't, yeah, right? You know, and that's good, but the big,

but it's not, making gimmick, just with label, that this, 60% recycled, but although, that's just maybe 5%

from total, barang. That, if, I think, misrepresentation, yeah? Greenwashing.

Beto. Virtue signaling is the most it's just not not yet yet it's just about reality. Realitania it's just as far impetus

can't. That's it, in the above 1% that's that's been recycled or in dowel. It's still 70% polyester.

Cotton or capas that's that's even more than percent, it's also not organic. Which has been rotorking many things.

Now How do you know, if I'm in there's to beaunuched. It's hard. It's hard. It's very it's very it's very

making looking angelical or like malacat with one, two, pidato, they're back

and they're going to gore again. It's tough, though. I'm going to class, that's the carbon that's under 4.6 million years long,

6,000 gigatone. And carbon that's resuscated in planet this, just 2,000,000 gigaton. Carbon that's emissified 35 to 40 gigaton. So it's a minute. It's 10-a-old-town-tall-old-a-old-old-old. And I'm going to talk to my students and everything,

you're not, you're you're not? You're like, like this and you're just 60s'n't time. Stop, buy a few

day. Stop, buy a baguio every day. Stop, succour, every decade buy bagu.

What do you think? Crazy? No. Because, that's what we we're sullaken, actually, we're sure-cita

that, we're much education. So that's like platform like that's important. I'm not like we're not like niche, but we're suhaka with more hard. Because, because, idea, idea, it's already,

it's been made, just because they're maybe may be able to be able to be able to be able to be public, so they're maybe not besuhrase, right? Rightythu. Right, so much, we can't. Aged-Guiluilus 7-tahun. That's. Cucles, that.

Cunci, no, it's. Not that's not, we've got ex, we've got ex-old, we made a point about that. Like, we grow, but we're very intentional. Sama'am we're self-finance, but,

but, too, but, I think, I'm, I'm going to show that that, this has to make sense. because if I just about the problem and then,

business is not an inspiration. Like, who... Who's who... Who's who... ...that's... ...that... ...that, so,

we're trying to... ...that... ...you've got to walk the talk. Exactly. Exactly. But, that's... ...that... This is chawain?

Oh, yeah. From the very beginning. That's a great baseline. Yeah, right. So, you can walk the top. Yes. Just. It's just to scale.

Yeah, can. How, from 1 hectare to 4,000 hectare, for permerdain kapas, such a multi-cultur, not monocultur. Now, this is di-education just, and how, so that's uptani

than I'mitongued from whatever. Dapotting just X, but if I'm multicultural-kultur can X, Y, Z, in the I can get X plus. Yes.

Yeah, right? That, if it's if you're tumbling, the hulun, it's great, yeah, right? Yes. And, I'm not,

I think I'm not so, what I'm not eveningering is that's really, this isu economy. But, people who are not going to be able to get to sector, sector this, like sector fashion, like, sector partanian, this can... Belom. Not, not, not yet. But, but, you know, but, like, but, like, except capas, can, we also in the paris, can, we can't

we've beenanam our own example of the one indigo this desa that we've doneem this, he's a lot of coffee so coffee just coffee just coffee just I'm trying to find out of indigo that's just because

not such a lotahary so he even more that it's a stumbunner so it's upying so we're we've brought with three seedling

that now now one desa that's one of the same The end up for a lot of coffee. Indigo, it's about three, four-bulon. That's not more than doubling for the penapotan for their, because Succa Cicca Cita can grow from 3,000,

now 1,500,000 and petanee. That's because we can be debatani market to solution our. So, we can scale without, investment or how much, that's the key-hmm, yeah, right?

Masasasas like ecosystem restoration or social justice, now, maybe, maybe, the ranhnahnau or how but,

but we're, but we're, we can't make sure that we can't make a market for this we, we can't

scale with more more more than, without pa, you know, sustainable, not just from how much the material, but from the business

too, that's not there's a lesson, for gajajaj, to not to not make a pivot. Yeah, right? So, long, bottom line, it's be partangu job.

At the end of the day, it's shareholder value maximization. Yeah, right? If you've got, if you've got to do you're nothersteading-javitin-javitin's self-sac. Yeah, right? The question is how we can't make narrations? Because this, gaj-gagia-gag-in-it-as-cath-in'cet, when they adopt practices this,

is, will be will be in short-term. but I argue termed-term-nevass-past how much how they can make sure

not only short-term loss but long-term this is win-win actually. That's what I was really

for us. This, temptation is, or maybe that's tempting, one day you're not even with one of one guy's just to be, do you,

you'll pension just, yeah, right? We'll give you a board seat. It's a libura every day as long as long as tumour-idu-idu-idu-l.

Then, they can die-in, in-barang. Or, it can be given other way. If it could work both ways. If it's noty-in, yeah, we'll be nangis. But if this can be

a bitericum, for they can pivot with a scale that be part-gown-jewap-kawak-k. Wow, it, yeah, right? That, but, but, I think, I'm a bit more risk-o-a-lac-lac-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- I'm not-jewal. Yeah, risked justruv back-ed

to be-mattin. Yeah, fixed. Because, They're belgues with short-termism. Yeah, right? And they're pre-existing paradigmatting paradigm. It's a better-as-cali with paradigm. But if there's gajah other,

that nuranina has been set up, like what's been the humaning, Patagonia, tibba-tibba, they're going to be you, just, we're merge just. With succor-cita, it's a barang. I think so.

intuitively yeah, and that that's nothersts, where we can narrasical for the importance of more global but if you're the same demand side, this is far more than supply site.

Supply side, again, I think technology is going to solosiccan. It's all a matter of time frame. when? If I can, if I look, the power of the same-rengthenant

about what we consume, every day, every time. Nisciah, will be a certain time, where the powering the sunsuree

for the importance, penning, penerapan, penimpanan, distribution, and other, that will be efficient and effective than than

conventional wisdom. Sojuice, is German. Yeah, and it's be able to the importance for the penitance of important that's about

that they've been using philosophy that's great-mend-magn-bott or put-out-put-t or-purs-o. Now, what other this?

And-nick- that can do you. I've got looked, I've got to prospecting if,

if it's great, if it's cap-as it can be scale. and economics agree. Yeah, right? Alacky,

like, it's also very much because in Indonesia the Indian Asia in the world it's true.

Nata exactly. With efficiency pengunana air that's more than the range and the

environment and the economic scalability can be partung so. So,

we're not piloting second phase this, because of the Pacta, we're going to be a lot of hectare. And this... Why not 1,000 hectare? Because the data from the city. So, what's interesting is,

we're in surveighed to Timurbanat, to find the land rustic. Tanah that gersang, that's beener, that's kind of, and gersang, he can't, it can't be able to muck.

And, and, basically, they're the desa-desa-dustin-ninging the most of the most of the because they're the because they're nothame, because the time is the so the hypothesis

our, now we're making making nanom, this is the pohaner-dreed-gade-dreed-dude. So, this is multi-year, after this, the pohan that we'll be here, the pohan that's the because it, the acarned-in-you-merepeneer

it, he can't even So he can'tubourcan, now, after they suburb, then we'll start to come capas and and the food and fashion

forest in NTT. Bapa, you know, now this, we're, we're, that we're taking that's around 24,000 hectare.

Tanah who's making make a new that's about the world. This is gila, how muchatting. Yeah, this is not this land-tani that we're like we're not changing. Oh, this life changing,

planet changing, humanity changing, not game changing. Big time. So, if this is real-time we can scale this in it,

this, 25, jute hectare, to nanom to enough for Indonesia just we need to 1,000 hectare, that's just 4%.

And 1 hectare of the land rustic that we rehabilitati this, can't even about 10,000 tonne. So, when we can't can't, we can't can't be tapas in the

land of this landerushak in, we're not, we're not don't be too mimpy-pang, that we can't, we can't

be able with the 22-juta mobile per That's about That's That's about 50%

Baju can be Mewy Mobile I have puttomomian That's Upit Apolague Autonomous

Vehicles Right Right Now, now, now, now, car car

production that's $100 $1,000. If I see saw the data,

the car Lestrick, that that's $5. And five the time to

maybe maybe probably probably mobile district to autonomous and production to make up to 40 million and the people that's actually just

5% from 24 hours the rest of our our own the carassie dener in TikTok denerin YouTube Spotify or what So if theory just, if you're only 5% of 24-hmm

SMEsmustiness, it's just 5% from 100% from 100% from $100,000. So it's $5,000, but maybe there's just just to make a superer because ego. So if demand for mobile, it's down from $100,000 to $40,000 in 5% to 10 years to do not, then, and then the production of the industry, to be up to $40 million, life-changing. Yeah, right? Emissy carbon will turn.

Because I've been a lot of money-hmm, I'm going to be sure with technology than policy. Yeah, right. Because policy-making, anywhere it's linear. Sedancton, technology, it's exponential.

Right. But if you can't share also, I mean, maybe from episode it's been to buyang, that's something that I've ever even ever think

like a badju, like, but it's not, the issue's a lot, the number of, and when we're talking about

policy, it's very difficult, because this is intersectional, Pa. So. So,

so, we're, people, think, but there, there's, there's, there's,

there's, community, industry, the ministry of thementryan human rights, the ministerian peddiccan. I'm not because, you know, if we're going to

to be able to spiritual. Yeah, right? Batin. We're going to where? We're going to do we're doing spiritualization to

to find kenamanan. Kenyman Batin, salvation, redemption, whatever you call. Right. So if we're really,

interdepartmental, discourse is really, really, really, have holistic. I'm looking at A and Z, it's just to be able to climate change

this only can't be if the people people ownership Right. Yeah,

if they're not not, they're not participations in discussion, the discourse of the publicis about the kind of the other than the other than the other than

because so far linearity from the percapable in policy making, this too noughtyatiality in terms of in fact that inopasity. Now, to make up unnaturally it, it's not gampang. Makkhani, who's muddha, who's active in entrepreneurship, you have to take political ownership so that's nother.

But for the technology that will be able to be able to be. I'm more than the problem. I'm more than that. Yes, but if like in industry fashion, the example of, from industrial revolution to the same,

yeah, the way to make the same. So, So, I'm even I'm trying to take technology. From the from the paper capas, until we're just a bit of a benang, we've already made technology, right? But, in one side, I think we're going to make a lot of the same thing, it's actually,

in the industry informal, in the house, in the desa-desa. That's why, Succa, I mean, the villages, not factories,

because we're making access to them that's the most invisible, and when we're talking technology and all this advancement,

it's not, not, not, more than, the reality of their life. Right. So,

of course, technology. But, in one side, we have this, we're, like,

this, industry Kriya, really, they're really really partate Kriya. He's in Indonesia energy

the other other and the other developers developing other than predominantly women.

Now, how they're not get on. If we're just focus technology, they're

how much? That's why we'reerer to focus to build school school and

building, Ruehka Chita in Desa Desaa. So, So it's, that's

that's been, titularked from the buchan to his own, and now, now, now, it's there's a problem,

y'a, the, the, supermarket, because they're getting U.M.R. Or, to be YouTuber.

So, no, there's been being being a person, but, but,

but, but, but, but, we're, we're, we're, we're,

we're, and the The power of the desa, sootally. So, sootting the time, where we can't include their, we can't even be able to be it. We'll be able to live

now, with we're just focus to the bagu-baju-jou that's made anonymous, this, the perpustakaan our publica-an. When we start with succocit, three-ibu-in-it-tie-tie-of-a-old-a-old. Now, per day

through the school of the Rata Rata, Rata, Rupa, uproofsciata, is 28. And that's because the youngerneres muddana actually earn a living wage from the krejinnan

it, it's, it's, it's, and, so, but that's, that's, how narration perkemangan in Indonesia, not to Singapore or Germany the two or

America the other, but we're in Indonesia we can't not be able to looka with cariffan local local this. Daya saing our, it

is, be maraud in capacity and the power of our own to increase productivity. I, too,

I've been to give to make up to productivity we're still, today you said Singapore. Singapore is productivity per per-o-one per-one, 170,000 dollars. Indonesia is just 24,000

dollars. As much we can make up to productivity, we can be inundung our our own, externalities, want inflation,

like, recession, like, If we can't five bachu perjamb, best we can jayet 25 bajou per time, productivity our productivity we're making up 400% more inflation of 50%

I'm not too care. Because that's the first we're the most so. So, so, how, for you can't make a productivus

from the rest of hooloo to hilt. So as much more than it's more than it's more than that's more than it's that's important point see. Because if this unchecked, it's just now. Because I'm going to say scalability is with a peckerance. That's true.

That's true. That's true. Because we have consistent with conventions that we've got to rankle, before. If not, if, same is, same as, boong. Right. Then you become like many others that we have seen in the past.

That's why I'm nother. That's why, we're not-definitioningingis-examination, that we need to define standard our non-negotiable is what? Yeah. So, like, such-cita. even if it's up to both and even borghumed

to closet, but not it's not grow. So I'm not, so I'm not think, why we have been able to moral for success because Indonesia needs more much

case study, right, role model. Now, this, we're many people, I've got email from, even come around, I've got email from documentary maker from

the world, which is important this, in documentary, because they're because they're making inspiration from here. This is documentary, me.

After this, maybe we're going to getessa so, who look to hilae that, yeah? This is documentation from your right. Benar.

Testimony and everything. So, I'm not. So, I'm not. So, I'm not. more than more more than more case study

so that's the new generation more, he's been, he's been, he can't, we give them permission. I've been a few many times,

in event event, the men of the women who are to ask for to ask, it's interesting,

because they school maybe more than more than, maybe, or maybe in the more than in the normal, in the status quo, like, because they're going to beaure or how much, but then they're saying, but the

the other people are going, not it's just a merit. So, the rankangue first is, narasy from the community of the people that were

There's a lot of people, many of everything, but if they're not not puttie, that's about, point to the people who are, like, gina, it's kind of hard. It's a bit of hard. We'll always we're in the polarity this,

yeah, right? Yeah, right? So, I think I'm that I think that Indonesia, this is more than nerd, sir. This is the era of the nerds.

Yeah, right. And I'm looking at, yeah, I'm from the end of the city internet, it's been to be able to be it. But, but, but many, you know, many, that nerdy, it's not multi-dimensional. And you, you're multi-dimensional.

It's more than, you're multi-dimensional. It's a range. I always about this. they're more, there's propensitist, to show up to beaqa-an to whatever. And they're to have capacity to

be able to one and the other. But if we're very monodemotional, it's more difficult. Yeah, if he'd jeromousin to dimensi to look chowan just, it's at the expense of everything else. It's allal-can-regal-cad-cara-cara. it's been in Wall Street.

And now in Silicon Valley, that's on the neuron, nuron that's on the credas in the people, it's be able to befriendingingingal that's all that make-halaled can all-carat. That, if, if I'm not sure, I'm too much bitabre.

It's, maybe, there correlation with monodimansy. But if he's more multidimensional, that he's more than what you can't in other than how much what you're doing. And things that are the key, that. I always makegut two books

that's quite polarizing. One, the Goudwell, the outliers. One other, Epstein, who wrote book, The Range. This early specializer, this late specializer. I'm a late specializer. I'm a late specializer.

I'm a late specializer. Tadding-timore. Tibertipa, make arousin taneman, yeah, not, bagu, and

all the other. and it's what you've been before before it, it's been a lot to make upholization at the end of it. And don't be surprised.

You can be able to to other than evolution to other than other than other thaner that's my prediction it's very much, because it's like, like we've, like we've just in kawakas,

it's, monocultur or multicultural so, actually, can, in the world, it's not ever,

he'd know-in-a-nubu-in-sat-a-a-tut-a-tut-a-tut-a-lut numbing one of the time-tombed. He's always much-macham. Right. Yeah, we've ever go-obrol with the people

that we're in the way we're doing what we're doing. Gado-gad-doh. Smacquing many bacteria,

the more many microbium-necrow. Smacin'nick, the more diversitassness that's getting that's more we can't immunities

to show up to the world and allan- and that And that's in the sameoom with what you're like specialization. What you're doing? What you know, what you're doing? What, yeah?

Inbibitan and penanaman and empumpuquing capas. That's. Wow. What other than Ika? There's pesan pesas. This, this, it's, I'm going to beaugh-half-jamb-half-jamb. It's just than I'm just up.

No, there's on, person, person. If I was that's, I'm think that Indonesia, I need to need more

more, and we have to make a ecosystem where we're justro to work way

think of different that much dimensional. Beto, I, I'm saying, I'm

about people coding in group of you, you know, you've got to learn to bea-pacca puisi, yeah, right? And, the other than jago and he'll learn coding.

And then, and then, who's talk public speaking, so I'm going to class drama just. You push, as much, to multi-dimensional,

the more than can't make upke-an to narration for what you're much as much as much as much as much. For you're going to be it's going to be it. It's going to be it. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Thank you, very. Danica. Banzang, yeah, from going to wonging one bagu, so, to come on, but, but,

but, I'm, I'm, this, it's, it's, so, sadar, when we want to buy something, we're not like to look at price tag

only, but we're making sure how they did do not, what condition, the color name from where, limbaughn't know how to make, he want to pay for Lama. Hsuited, it's massive it's about it's called the label

actually, this I'm like... For the bagu that you make the air the

the work carbon yeah whatever, it's just. So,

we're like working project new. So, if there's other doing

with the conventional wisdom. We're we're making a new

a generation tech But for a new But for the Imagineing if you're Five-Tolagued in front So, you know,

So-Coling, not even Make-Cupusance, that's not-taught Biodigreability How? Lack-Legreability is, how? For the capus, it's For the Bajun?

This, this is. This is also cafas-Kit-Pathes. This is, Bac-Bat-Tas. Three-Bulan, completely. Completely. And because, because because of the world of the world, it's completely degradable. Cancings our conventional, right now,

plastic. So I've got to try to Makasar. So there's a club of the a bubu who mumpur-muthiara that's the same of the cramutriara. It's just to take, in cancings, so we've got to make up. So we've got to even as a small cancing, we can think, to, we think. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. That's the Anika founder of Spachita. Thank you. This is the endgame.