Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Dewi "Dee" Lestari: Creativity, Mindfulness and Craftsmanship

Episode Date: March 3, 2021

Pengarang belasan buku bestseller nasional, Dee Lestari berbagi mengenai proses kreatifnya sebagai penulis (profesi yang telah ditekuninya selama 27 tahun), mengelola produktivitas dalam seni dengan rutinitas, dan peran ahli sastra sebagai jembatan antara ide dan solusi.

Creativity is justru, he will be topang with optimal, with routineity. So, creativity is this is chaiar, as how we can contain a mhaluk that's chair? Only one, we give him wadha.

This is Endgame. Hi, we're today we're by Di Lestari, a person and penulis is a work for Iwaka, Java Jaif, and Krisha. And, he was also, he was a member of a group vocal called RSD, or Rida, Sita, and Dewey.

He is a person who is a very accomplished, or Piaway, where career is with a novel called Supernova in 2001. Supernova, the next is evolution to Hexalogy, where the series of the six is the publication in the time in 2016.

And for the friends who've never been ever heard of the podcast this endgame is a podcast of the collaboration between V-Sinema and SGPP. Enjoy this episode. Dee, thank you. Can you.

One of my one good. We're going to talk about, but we're going to beaubral about the small. Okay. Maybe we're born in Bandung, and then, the first one of five kaka-bradie. Right.

And then, so, I was from, from five brothersodera. And this, if you're being with proficies of this I think that's about my

my time of my life, so that's in the room, we're not who's really bad, my dad's my wife, and what I think, because of the matter, I mean, we're not going to be much of the mainan, and we're using all the room, we've used

whiteboard to make majolas majolahan, we're we're saleminginging cardo, carto and so much. Book, it's like, be readar in room, and, if one book,

my kakka, I can be able to becaca by many people, and I also remember the pembaca first my, that's their, so I'll make,

I'll write, then I'll print, then I'll go to the door one-as-a-one. This is the story of my day-in-night. They'll ask, before. Then I'll ask you, and then I'll write again. So, they're the audience first of my, and also, FGD my, if, if I'm like I've got a career.

And because they also, there's been in the bidang-Senie. Kaka, there are who's sutradara, penulis-scenario, illustrator, then email, he's Gita also, he's jazz, pianist, jazz, penangy also, sometimes compos music, my sister myra, he's a member band, vocalist, Moka, then my brother my brother.

But then, he's one of the one that's not in the world of the city, but interaction with them, also, to my my dad's military, but very democratic. So, he's always much be much better than

to give up to the father, because my dad's very relaxed people. So, not typical, we know, people batak, we usually, is very strict, about about about about the other,

things that, important for them, religion, and sogain. But if my father's my is a person who's music otodidac. He's, He's playing piano,

and then. Penulis, I'll tell about that. So, he is a member music otododidab, play, harmonica, guitar. My house has many instruments music from the old. Myra's from from piano,

I'mpe-sem-welled cello, then, learn flute. So, there's glimpanan, like, the music in the room, and I, like, I'm, interact with

our day, in the context, gagasan, idea, until I also I also also I also keep on the music of their, so, if I'm a guy's my name is a person so I'm from my father.

I'm from my daden of the class. He's the type of clown of the class. So if he's there, the situation is so forth a smaract, penhundinginginginging, and with ajaip of, he can makeingat the day, detail. So if he's all the time-line,

complete, context, well, now, he's already 181-year. Wow. And he just made up and done the draft booker that he's – Yeah, memoir. Yeah, I'm not know this is what

what's going to be what, I've said, I've got to say, I've just tried to tell you, In Naska, you know, with all the of their own, you know, like, look at layar, but he,

but he's, every day, he's trying to write. Budaida, baca, from Aya or, Ibu? Like, two-douan-whal-dhawall, although that I feel like by by myra-cac-cac-cac-a-a-as. So, we used, langanan of magalah, yes, it was the mucim of majolah,

yeah. Maybe, there was langananan-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-. So, every one, each one of each from Coran Compas, until Donald Bebeck, we have putt from, from from from from books,

and then, and I think, and it Blighton, my kaka, so we also have many collection comic, and this, this is unique,

because I'm more a person than a person people who'd like, oh, Dewey, penulis, pasty, it's the other than cutu-buckoo, like I'm like I'm more to oral tradition, that's, maybe, I'm going to be aya's say. I'm going to be hailed, and hailanal

that I'll say that's about lisa. Who, who amicue, for you imagination, be hailing? That's it, I'm... I'm... I'm... There's there, there, or, okay,

or mom, or aunt? So if you're just, if you're not about, I'm not I'm not about a stortyeller. And that's something

that I think getjolak is alaum, I'm always before I'm I'm always beahal. I'm a palamun that ber-dedicasi.

I'm really really medicaciccan two-gams, one-jame to do you know, to do you know, for what? For what? From, this, this is... From the...

...that I'm from the last 3 S.D. And, to be inalmone, to be hailed. So, when class 3 S.D. I was, I've been a person abubal that's very cacab. I can beaul, there's a one character, called Trudy, he's a schooler, school like this, and the corbans of my kids,

probably the other than the little, yeah, that's more than the more polos, they're just, they're just, but they're just my halal of my jane. So, if I didn't find out, badenkaly I can be able to be a... ...pembole professional. Okay, then,

then, in Bandung, in where? I'm school in Bandung, from T. TK to come from University of Parahyangan. I'm from a jurorsan Hubeo International. So, gelarco, as far as a serjean ha'ylo-politic. SMP, S&A in Bandung. But I've been having two years in Medan, because he took on the dad that's in Medan.

And then, you still, I was in Bandung, I'm 12 years ago, I'm to Jakarta, Tangerang, south, the best day. Okay, then, when when you're going to be a newbuner, that's why? Because, I'm going to be storyteller for Indonesia.

This is the answer, yes, this is really? This is really When I was my mom's a I'm a person who is a very, what, for him, faculty technique, the jurusan,

um, jurusan MIPA, if Ipa, if... Ifa, if, S, for my, it's, it's just, for my, it's just, IPA, like there's a kind of, and also, like, prestige, that the people are more pinter.

So, for my mother's, I'm not going to go to IPS. Although I'm not even to attention to the exacta, like, mathematics, or like, I'm not to come to, but, not be able. So, I'm going to,

I'm going to, A2, come from, A1, A2, A3, so I'm going to be a two, this is a jurorsan biology. And I'm like I'm like to jurors of biology, and I'm like like to beajabance, because I totally do not like everything that I learned, except for the music.

Oh, that was, I was a panguad, vocal group, band, making pensions first time in SMA 2, and sogain. So, my prestatisicu, it, more in the bidang of the so. So, when I lullus SMA, I've just made no way.

No way. I'm not going to do you're in a course of technique or ex-sacta. And, and, from all of all of the, from, from, from, I'm from from, one of the one of the swastat.

That I was all that. And, the jurorsan, I am the first, economy. The two, the international. Why? Why?

Because there's other words international. I'm going to be able to go out of the other than one day, in anti, and I'm going to, like, it's kind of, you know, I'm going to bea-tembus, and I'm not daffered to the swastahed to the other. Econominess, I'm not, so I'm going to the second. I think I flunk in economy in no time, because I've got no basis,

Basis, but I'm lucky, actually, I'm actually, this is the international this. And when I'm going to start, oh my God, we're learning politic? Damn! Oh, my. But I'm sorry, but I'm going to cut it.

So, so, I'm going to say, ha, I'm going to learn from politics? Tidda! Because I don't really, politics, mas. That's one big one I'm very not who's not even if you're not too, that's what, what's like,

there's not, there's not a lot of my life with my life, so I felt trapped again for another five years. Oh, five-year? Four-and-a-half, see. But, but at the end of the at the last I'm going to make one one, one, one, I'm a new because,

because, I mean, I'm coming connection between the culture and politic. And, I think that, scripty-croposan, that's one of the scripty thro-bosan that's about pop culture and politic. And, at that, I'm just, I've got to be able to get a-2,

I've been, imagine, man, I've got to be a certain, I'm not even as of my life my time. And I got, I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to say, ah, I'm going to S2, but because of when I was singing, has been a career in music,

the Cit Cita S2 that mereduct with it and I'm, and I'm alhiked with different of many different to be work in the in the business, so.

Okay. So, okay, I'm going to talk about what, of the work of the works of the works of but before that you've spent experimentalist to spirituality and other than including Buddha, Kabbalah and other than

why that? Because imagination also So that's one period another other in my life Yeah, because that, that's, I don't know, this is speculative. to be it's up to your career, and still,

so much, so much. So, I was still just even when I'm writing it was my hobby my

since, and it's like hobby that I've done kind of gerilia. So, I'm better with music, which I've

had, I've had been being, it's been being, When you're like, between

chita-cita-trapendam, passion, too, hobby, but not something that I can attribute-to-dial-to-dial-divot-to-allam as a profession. And, I was still looking for, if I'm going to be pen-lilies, I'm going to write what, what my first my can't

give to the world? Now, when in 2008, and when we had been crisis, and then there's a crisis, and then there conflict of agamma that percahed in Ambon, and, and, I don't know, so, so, issue...

...perpecachean religious is one thing that's really It's really We have some kind of, we have sensitivity to the issues that are different different from people There's who maybe There's a lot of issue

feminism, there's a lot of with issue patriarchy and so many Now, if I'm that, like there's a kind of my own my own thing that's always there's been heard about perpechahan, acibate

I'm not really, what's what's what's the paradox that, but what's the other than the same we're perpecablah. Why, atas name of God, we can't make up what's just as well as in the cutuk in the other agama, be larang by the God, but it's

tibba we can't even because to belay the God. So, for me, it's not into a call. It's very And, I'm back in 2009 I'm going tolusurie, and there's one book

in penelusurant I, it's maybe a book that's not-sangazer I've seen, when I look at juduling, like he's memangil, the title, the title of Conversation with God, Neil Donald Walsh. And I'll bach I was like, I'm just strict,

religious. Because I'm a mother's puttow of a greeja, so that's the same week has to ibadah, every week to go to greeja, bachalcith, and sogain that's something that's not asing for me. So, so when I bach a conversation with God, I'm going to see there hubbunan between manusia and I've never I'd

before you. And I don't know that, that can't, yeah, the other than that's egaliter, democratic, you'd ask, can't just be in-javent, there's a...

and, there's, there, there, to be, to get, to be there, kind of,

like, like, that manusian, Neil Donald Walsh, can't get to be that. Now, one night, mas, when I was just about what I was about what I was about about the journal that every day I'd write a journal. And, there's a sound in myambar in the talk of my with the tautic of my own, in the

in the writing that. And, and I just started, why this is like dialogue, tibba, and I'm like, why this is like there two people who are asking to answer,

and I'm going to who are you in in the process I'm in the process I'm in that, he said you don't know who's who's who, and, even though, even though, somehow, perseptu I'm notews,

that's what I'm trying, that's what I'm trying, that's a sound, yeah, higher self, or whatever we're to say, but, for me, I think, not very hard-and-no-sleash-and-solest, he he'll just to answer, and so much, and so many things, I've been able to be able to beck, tibbe-turb-turdered on myself,

and I'm like, like, trans, like, euphoria, that's, I'm not to do-sat-tidur until 27-hour, I'm only, I'm only, I'm not list, I'm always, I'm I'm just about I'm going tovourable

that, and yeah, yeah, it's, it's, and, like, yeah, it's, it, man, man,

man, man, and, I'm, completely, be changed. Now, after that, Because I'm uncied-like-you-like-you-to-been-nulis-kut-you-know-kind-o-pment-koo, but how, I'm not a person spiritualist who, I mean, I'm not like-lake-a-lake-deggut,

that's-hug-a-git-a-old, I'm not, I'm not, I'm still 20, what, 23 years. And who's who's who's about Noctur 23 years? Right, right. So, I'm going to come to be supernova. I'm going to write fixie. Why not I'm not I'm going to use fixie, but all of ideas or whatever I've

that I've found that I'm trying that I'm going to puttucked in that so, so it's after supernova that's the year 2001. So, yeah, it's about penlusurant spiritual cool, that then, then, to catalyzation process. And that's actually

the book partammy, who, and then it's going to be it, to write, six? When I was, I'm going to be trilogy,

from the first, it was, the first I'm just that I'm book the two, that I'd like I'd be about four tokoh in there, there's four topos, it turned to make volume that's very so, I can't get them in one book,

have to mecha them to make them to beckon to be four books that's so, so, actually, it's six, although, the concept of payunging is trilogy, but, actually, hexalogy. Wow. Wow. That visualization is more than the I'm going to be able to visualize.

There's one who's visualization the end of the middle, or in the way, or at the first, that's, I want to tell just, if you're going to do. Okay. Supernova, I was to list, I can be it's still, as well as a technique,

about theory, I'm just what I want to write I'm going to write. So I'm not... ...and, not have been ...and, if we're now know there's a drama three-babak or

and all that, didn't, I don't have concept that same, but I've just I've been back, I know the time, I know the I know, and I'm really, you can't put it in one sentence, just, they're going to get it in the middle of,

they're going to be conflict, that's just, as... ...mentah it, but when it's been written, and this is serial that's been for 15 years, I'm actually in the perjolana I'm picking up new skills, picking up new techniques to be a story, so that's

that I'm being abstract, Lama, I'm going to be metackan with better, with more, but, but, as a example, for the book the two, three,

the four, and the five, sketched-in' I've made from 2001, So, like, like, iChip, i'm going to, what, name the book the two, the three, four, five. Although, the book the five, that's the book the five, that's about three-year-old. But, but the bayangamon, it, is already from 2001. Wow.

I've spent work with you with you for Rectoverso. That, right? It's, after Supernova. What? What's what? What's what? What's the first? Okay.

So, supernova is that the subpoenae, that's sequential, is, that one, two, and three. And this is the unique of supernova. I'm that, I'm when, after after the book the three,

like there's like, what, like, In fact that, the topoges my own re-churching, right? So, after peters, book the three, I'm going to try book of books other.

I'm trying to try with philosophy copy, this is a compulant-cerita, which I've never made a compulant story before. I always, after three books, it's been as novelist, but I didn't ever because of the CERAPEN. Now, in philosophy, copy, I've been

CERPEN. LULUCHERALTH-LOW-CETA. PRAHECATES, that's a nascar LAMAW-CATCANCEDCEDCAN, and the offeran-saidivac as a CERPEN-DIGATES. So, it's... Sorry, CERBung Digital,

MASS. So, it's the first, that people bachan from SMS, mas. I'm too, I'm curious, I'm sure, but they're I don't know, but that was. I don't know,

then we're rightoverso. And in rectoverso, also, because when I made a lot, I'm just-tibed-pacred, I'm not done-seless, but it's not been even in tampung in a song. Hardly tamping in format

line. So I've made-cine-law cerepenna. When it's already, I'm not sure, I'm going to, this kind of concept interesting, a story that then recrimean with the kembarance, y'an, you know, the concept of to make rectorso,

10 story pendek, and 10 songs. Which, which, actually, actually, actually, I'm also, because I, as a penanee solo, yeah, that's a little, actually, from out of shell, and right righto-verso and still

still, there's still. Yeah, maybe-mouda-mudahed, but I'm not who's not, but I'm not. But, but I'm going to, if I'm not, if I'm peratine, that's supernova, rectorso, that's imagination that above normal, beyond normal. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, right? It's almost as what we look at JK Rowling, yeah, right? In Harry Potter, if you look at JK Rolling, what's what, what's the kind of a kind of a different? Wow, okay. I'm...

I have to do-jure, I'm not to do the detail of the J.K.Rolling, as a man, man, yes, yeah, as Harry Potter's, I can't, but I'm going to look at it, But I'm from the people of the people's serial, it's... Maybe it's a bit simplistic just. Perumpamance is this, lo. The penguenaing character or namar character is, like,

this is it from where? That's kind of similar if we read the book, book of your own. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, we're like, like, live in two-dunia, you, mas, that's, For the real, the person who's the serial, this is what I'm going to say, if I'm just that's what I'm backat or,

nature or nurture, I'm not can't be left factor backat that. Because, while I'm going to make up in this, context is, the context is, and if you've got to-tartaric, you're going to get-turturtigna,

so you're going to be so much You want to because, just really, it's very, mas. There's so many points in the process of my work work that I'm asking, why am I doing this? Why do you do this to yourself, Dewe,

what do you make you're sooo's justa? What's, what's, making serial? Why, not one book just, because it's solyt's hard. But you have to love it that you want to endure the pain and the torment, and I think J.K.Rolling and the and the people of the serial, they have that they have

putterterical that, so they're going to be done with a process that's soly and ber-darrha-dara-dha-dha-k, when trying to try to make up-a-money-musik. I'm going to analogy music, yeah, Many people are kind of from talenta and skill. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm more than skill. Yeah. That's skill, that's actually. Not like that. Right. And...

...bany who can't know that people who can play trumpet, sexophone, or piano, that he's latiener every day in time, or 10-a-year-old-old-tall-a-old. That, maybe, can be analogic can with process

to do that's about imagination, melancho, two hours before time, and that's if you're going to be itonged, yeah, if you're going to put in time, yeah, right, right. That's what, I think, I'm going to bring up to a capacity imaginer. And I'm not really...

And I'm... I believe, mas, repetition, it's, when I'm, when I was supernova, that I'm not going to bea that one 2001, What I'm not that I'm not going to use journal

which I'm going to use journal every day from S.D. And for me, I'm going to work for sure what's about concreting what's abstract in our thinking of our thinking. Right, if we're just what's what's happening here this, can two, I-tener-Rerry, 8, 9, or in the same,

or in a new, that's in a new, we're in a certainerary, we're trying to try and abstracts what I'm having, what I've got to be to come correct, that can be cower by the people

in this, in this, yeah, maybe I'm not bca, because I'm not bough to other but, but when we're taking transfer from idea to the writing to that's the writing in the most in the most of the most of the most of the way.

Now, if I'm going to be it's about there's a lot of the nature. But if we look the proportions, I think that's maybe only 10% from 100% portion that's that is that's this is a latihan. And the latifes not have in in the book, but in the same-a-shairedian, in the journal,

in all of the novels that gaggle. That's all of all right now, many that's not know. Many people are very, because of course, and I'm a-unctu-unctu-unctuble fossil that good. So, fossil-fossil myrpen-cue, that's-possil-crapin'u-cue,

novel-nog, that I've never buang. I've always simple. That's relaunched, that. But but but from 20 years ago. 27 years ago, so this is a novel that I've I'd also called, that I had got to have stamina to make make up, not have a second,

and now I'll use it, if I'm going that, and I'm going, this, nothing, a caria picisan, reme, maybe I'm not going to have material that

that's one of one that I can I can I'm very I'm very, so I'm, so I'm, I'm, I'm a good, I think that, when he's left for us, that is a gift, it's a gift, a gift, so, so, maybe he's still a raw diamond, but if you keep it, and if you polish it, diligently enough, that's,

it can, then, he can, to be better than the format that's I'm going to gethers. I'm going to guesser from the process imagination to process mechanistic. Okay. If you're more than you're more than you're

either, or weekend, or every two-mingue, or every month, and then if every day, the discipline of you know, you know, what, okay. Yeah, right? If I'm talking about penuris-menulis of the other, there maybe 300 to 500-a-half-a-per-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a.

There's one in the end up to the rippo'an kata. Yeah, right? And then he can 10,000 kata, in some period or what? I'm curious, if you're going to be it. Wow, this is the question that most I like. Because I'm really like this, ma'am. This is maybe not going to be able to be able to be able to...

When I was supernova, I'm still I'm still, I'm going to work on my own, nilisdrake right, man, who's, like, like, like, from 8,

night, time, so, flowing and fluid, so flowing and fluid, this is issue, when I've got

a good with, with, abrug, urusan, I've got to pay for the pay for the paperwork that I have to work in every day, email, or so that actually, so that's really important.

And I'm not because I'm sorry, I'm doing with myutarches who, in the way, if not because rutinitas that I've been born, I'm not going to be to this. Almost impossible. Because there's many of urusses that have to be worked as from the people from the domestic, that's not there's not abysiness, right, ma'am.

So, so productivity is one aspect that I'm cuckulik, from menulis, until I've been found a rhythm. So if I'm more type of like, okay, I'm going to do a project, like, project menolice. When I'm in project menolice,

I'm not doing marketing, I'm not doing promosy, I'm like in a gua. I have a stilis for this, I'm called it. If I'm going to be a bad cave, that I'm going to be reproductions. Now, if I've got to do it first time, and I'm not going to start a career

if I don't have the deadline. Artin'y, when I'm going to list So, I've got to know, the day I've beenulis when I'm going to listen. And for that, I have put put a puritungan. And peritun is very simple. I'm, and maybe because

I've been able to imagine, okay, from the material I've got, I can't make a bookuble to be able to puttok-a-90-000 kata, that. From there, I can't And then I'm going to write five days a day? So you can't even 500?

Halamand, 80,000 kathes? One day, I'm... ...antara 800 to 1000, so, man, so I'm going to take two days break, so five days a week, work, every day, every day, every day, and there's routineity other

before I'm going to list. I have to larry, I have to mindy, I have to maraud, I did a short meditation. There's a sort of a ritual that I'm a morning magic routine. Before I'm starting to book a laptop, I'll have done a lot of, I'll have done my morning magic routine this.

The reason is what? It trains my brain and it trains my body that if you have done this set of rituals, you've done this set of rituals, you've got to write. It's like priming the brain, So that's what I'm asking, this is tempting, to be thinking if we're discipline-kinded it's,

it's, but that's paradoxical, if I'm in myruthsay. But I'm paradoxical, if I'm not. Just true, I'm looking, it's very correlations, one with other, right? Yeah, right. Because I've been in there

too, I've never felt, this kind of, this kind of, it's like it can't make me-attick. Yeah, I'm talking, as ex-musisies, yeah, when we're not, we'll know,

we're just the time we're out, what the idea of, but just through, if we're paksa, we're to studio, we're pegang instrument music or what, that's,

it's very correlates with creativity. Yeah, man, very, I think, that's, because, I mean,

I'm having that's really, that's justro, he will be topang with optimal, through routineity. So, creativity is this kind of chare, mas. How we can contain a mhaluk that's chair? Only one, we give them wadha. Now, wadha, this is structure, structure we're working, and same thing also with with a cranks of a lot of

because he's made outlawful, it's more than just outlawful, but he has a portion that's a portion that's right and very help if we can taraping with the right, so I didn't ever to musui structure, justro I

feel I'm not, creativity that's like, he's hand-in-hand with structure, hand-in-hand with routineity, because because if we just to just to beaqqaqaqaicitism, there's there, there's been a lot of there. Maybe, Mr. Gita, I know, maybe, Mr. Gita, there's very great, but they're in their lives of their

beenthackan. They're... They're... ...sacit-sacit-sacitan, the condition economy charut-marut and so... So I think I can't from how someone can be able to be able to imbankan between energy creative,

with the need of realistic, and for that, that's in hand in hand, the energy creative, and routineity, it's really, this is generalization, but

the many of musicians or artist, the same that's when they're if they're just time three, But if it's not a success, but generalization again, yeah. Yeah?

Yeah? Yeah? Mubakakak the time three, and it's aton time five. Yeah, right? Yeah, right. Now, that we can't we can't. Mugin' maybe there's correlation. Yeah, yeah.

Because I'm I'm just a aspect aspect of the other than from hargay of it, from hargay from how I'm actually be able to learn that, okay, if I want to do with a profession this in a way, I have to be in my health of my I'm going to get the health of my,

I don't take substances, I don't I'm not to not to work, I'm not to work out of I'm not to workahe, I'm going to workahe that I can't do with my profession, so when I'm when I'm,

when I'm in the period of bed cave that I'm really because, because, tibbe, everything is all of myattour myattuck, allah,

and allah, so it's, There's that's like that's what's the name-name when you know-it-notice that's-you-marketing, promosy, that's always,

it's been bocored, begadang, there, so, I'm more than I'm Rinducan, when I can't back to Batcave because this is

the time that's a even, even, even though, even in process menusiness, there's frustration, and,

and, But but the routineitazes that's that's what's realiable, something I can't expect something to come out, as a result, in the day, the nextop-ne-a-sockon-one, to work-a-tah. To write up to 100,000-cata, give and take, how long?

Rata, rata, 8-bun-9-bun. That's fast. Yeah, and then, abys it, so, I'm just-just-not-but-tall. production and promotion. Now, then, then, if I'm going to go to book there's a new one, there's a phase reset.

That's, that's where I'm going to like, like, I'm going to be traveling to where I need, for the need of the and there, that's a phase that's better also,

but I'm excited, but I'm, so I'm in-sippant-up like spons, like, for, for aroma Karsa. I need to buy 50 books, 50 books, 50 book I've got to jabanin.

For, so that I'm when I'm going to have a few more than I've got to be able to do with it. How long or how many times you've done know, 5,000 kata, it's all right? Shred. Pern not, did that? JARANGERAN, ma'am, ma'am.

Okay. Although there, but it's not even fatal to romack-ulang, because I always make sure to make sure. That's what's usually, it's even to make up to two-buck-bucked, just to metac-and-to-many-as to where I'm going to walk. If it's been worked,

if, if there's revisions, that's revis that not even to make if we're not because we're shrews the whole thing, not. Because there's guarda that we've set-pacati and I've got to bea-bayang, the need of the story that's what? Okay.

Whalupon there information that can unulir? What's what's been written? Yes, it's a sort of revising. Okay. Because, I mean, I think, if it's a little more than, is something more much more than more

is a more than the story of the story. Yeah, that's the most crucial. Because, as we're going to bexie, it's all about drama and the structure. And I want to push on this. Comfort zone is more to fixie, than non-fixie, naturally. Because fixie, is,

pagard is more far. Right, right, But ifxie, pagre is well-defined. Yeah. Yeah. Is that the reason why you know-not-fixie, than non-fixie? Like that, man.

And I, I'm, I'm, like, what, yeah, idea that's am I'm hampir-koo, you, man, like, and, and I've had relationship with ideas that I don't know the other than what I'm but I always feel like I'm a part of the people who are

who's given a good faith that's been given a good I'm like, like I have a time that, like to make wududicant in the world, you know, now, I'm saying I have a room andre, you must, I'm saying, the room of tungi, I'm, rata-fixie, all. While I'm, I'm actually,

non-fiction. If you're not even if I'm my gosh, 80% that's non-fiction, that's non-fiction. But, okay, I can relate to that. In the purporta-shares like, almost it's non-fiction. I don't like to beckxia. But it's embouhacking imagination. Like, ne jess, I'm asking the email. Yeah, right?

because sheapapes, that's less classic. It's kind of, didata, it's structor. Because we know structure this, we're more kind of nakal-liked with syncopation or improvisation out of the joled.

Right, right? That's, maybe, perumpamance is same with the nulis. Yeah, right. So, classic that we get from non-fiction. Yeah. When we're going to liar, we're jazzed it, lewet with fixie.

Is it? Yes, right? Right, right. Right, right. Because, and if I, as a member-bacca, I'm aware that's my modus is a modus the information. So I like with information technics,

and data, then, gagasan, concept, argumentation, I'm so much, but, but, but, I'm not why, when I'm end up, I'm not-fixie. I'm just like my mouth,

my mouth non-fixie, but my lumbung my lumbung-fixie. So, when I do have been back I'm thinking, okay, this, I'm, I'm going to about jamur,

how much jamur can't help can't human human I'm just imagine, and I'm just there,

character. Now, that's when he's got to where? Yeah, the world fixie, like, so, there's character that he also is a man, that's from where, the jambor, that's from books non-fiction, you know.

Okay, you know, non-fiction one, one-and-one-one-k-m, and then one other, and then, the other, the other,

Let's tellita, what's what's provocation or make catalyzation. Okay. To write non-fiction. For Aromakarsa, in the back of the Roma Karsa, it's actually, because Aromakarsa is a novel that process resets is a very-biasa, so, is very extensive, and it's also

also is the process reset, that's what I've got to documentation with rapy. That's it? Is it? Terepangue, mas. Because along the way, when I've got started to write my words, the one of the other one of the

one of the most of the most of the making reset, how can't, how much, because I'm going to be, okay, now I'm going to try Where did I take up to documentation, I photo, I'm charted bettut the tangles, I'm what I'm going to dokees, and process of what what's going to be in the back that.

So, at one tip, I'm really, this is a material of a book, and not only about aromacarasa, but also, there's no way of the educations for people who want to make sure how to research research that is done by the same thing is the same. So, for the Rārae-Torahuts, this is a different casus. This is actually, it's been picu by the other people.

So there, maybe, Ms. Gitae heard, Yaiasan Dharma Bhakti Astra, Yesan that's about 40-u-k-m-m when, maybe the same-notes-un-un-un-com-ca-m, yeah, when we know-in-it-we, when they were going to dolegged me to meet, and they asked, M. M. Dewe, as far as what about UMKM in Indonesia? Completely zero, that,

not ever to think, actually, we're always the UMKM, from the U.S.K. From the moment, we've been to beaesan, what's all the same, and then, I guess, I'm going to, I'm going to, book of the company, and I've got to try, and I'm trying, it's interesting, yeah, and then, and then, are you?

Are you, do? Do you make book about UMKM, that we can't get to some UMKM, Binaan our Binaan? And then I knew that I could find stories I can I can't I can't make sure that in the people who are in the way of the people who are going to make

make up and to make uprogy, and so I think and I said I'm, okay, I'm going to start-tartic to to make this but the sharratness

one, I have really to make this important. Because if I'm I'm not as a bit of the book that I'm not going to because I know how dedicated I am when it comes to book writing. So I have really, this is my mind-my-my-book-in-this-one-enquered

my concern also. And, and after I met with the people of OMKM, it's also inspirative, I'm thinking, wow, because there's just there's just people who can't

be people, for people, to beketawing by people who are people being because it's really, they're again, they're again who's back. Baca, you know. Sementara, this is something I think I'm in front of it, parted, it, and,

maybe more to the stories inspirative, than technic how to make not, not eveningot-notes, not that's not like to be able to be what they're making to make up, and what's what I'm going to make class and soaguen't. So that's what I've got to listen in Ranté Taputus. I was a bit of aggathe

by the reality of bachabu in Indonesia is still tipis, like that's about about. I'm going to ask about two things. Okay. The first is what we can do about to accelerate so we can be a buddaya bachyca-bucous,

massive, that, you know. This is really, this is really, partan for me, and if I'm looking to look to look at it, although, maybe, I'm going to be a

Doolah, it's not much better than from the school now. But I think that wasa that we didn't never give, never did give us which, which is stimulation us,

to have us to make up to make up book. So, our doma'an we have one book of the classarant, we have a plazeration IPS,

all of the quiz, that did get from one book So that's never there's no longer from the book of the book of the other than book of the lawgarten. So, first, I'm from the system of the education, it's to do you know,

how we don't want to find information to as much of the book to we can make up-en-and-enelis or to make-elegation-school. The second, from-the-room, is, That's more than I think. That's more than I'm from my child's my my life, how much much more than

book-bucked, we don't know about book-buck-buck-buck-in-law. I'm not percéeck, I'm not a person who's like to dicotomist, oh, this book not sastra, oh, this cich-lid, tin-lid. I'm really that will come back to the gregn. Right. through different different.

Maybe there's one like comic, there's one, there who, what that's, why not? Because, actually, it's not the matter of content but, but,

the habit and habit and to hargay and torap information from the of the so. So, I mean that's the number one.

How we can to make up to make up to make up and to format entertainment, one format of the format of the room, that can do you know, from from mending kind of to dungingan, or to make some of a pojoque-baca,

or to make a much, or, like, break time, but this like reading time, maybe 1, and a half a half a while, before mandi sore and soagre,

so if this is a lot of massive, the other people in Indonesia that's school in Indonesia, I think, the hausan and the need to bea and to bea

and, start-murtal, because stimulus there, but in era Rata-Rata of Rata of the Indonesia, look at handphone

6-7 hours a day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nonton TikTok, IG, and other and other. Smacin' more difficult, can. Smoky-old. 10 years ago, there's not, right, and other, right, right. Right.

Now, this I'm not know, if there's, what, yeah, doonging, or extra, or, if we're just, if we're just, this is the best

the best of the other than the people in the state of the other than to want to mendonging or be don'tonging or to mucucucing to start to make the book and beckxed. Because I think that's what's now this is, is a competition attention, mas yeah.

So, for a... for a... ...untu the one, they also, he also, He needs a lot of her. He's got to condonging for her own if people are the same,

with bachain WhatsApp group RT or Arisand and as a alumi in that, that's, of the competition attention is, it's more, so,

so. So, what I think actually, not only habit of but even a phenomenon shallowing, alias, pendangkallan.

Now, this is, I mean, I'm barang-kali, more than, because Indonesia, can be able to be able to , you know, mas, man, adopt the buda-bacca, we're buddhae, so-an-generation,

and, and, when we've got more getting-neh, with reading, eh, now, it's again with era of information, internet, and so that's that's about about

about about many things that are you on the day, I'm not that my phone my is like a vampire, but he's

, it's up my attention to my bit to me, so, there must have to be conscious effort to, okay,

at the time at least, I'm going to check social media. I'm going to get up to time. Because if not, it's gawatt, what I'm going to have got to be able to belamun. We've got to tell us how much of the amount. And, what I've seen in the kids I'm also, they're getting so that's not having skills to manage

Rasa Bosan. Right. Because I always feel that creativity that's born from Rasa Bosan. Right. When I'm not a worker, I'm going to land, and then,

it's up to come up to happen. But, but he needs to be a room of a cosonged. Now, if there's no way to be sure, it's not by... It's not just by... Not just, but in manipulation Yeah, that's a psychology we're.

Yeah, that's one issue of... Now, episode of a different, right, like, how in information that men's curing our attention we're every day in there are some information that even has to manipulate it. Now, I think this PR global, so, you know, so, yeah.

Yeah, maybe local, though, and then, and then, global. Yeah. After the lawyad, every day when we're like to make up, socialsmed, to use the socialsmed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right?

Yeah, right. It's all right to do nothaping to, what, is, that's kind of a bit more extreme, but how we're in the room-tangue, or make persuasy, so, and our kids, to more,

yeah, ibarat-cata, like, now, if we're that who's who's often is the other than the other than the other than the other than the other than the other than looking at least to look at the people's people, yeah, right, about about the history. Sejaroan our own to Sri Wijaya,

from Sri Waijaya, Maja Pahit, and to the depotan we can, we can't really be very jayahua. And I always think that that's always we drive by the last last and the past and now, if we're not too much on the keyjayaan our own, and only, what, yeah, to be able tolisan the world, justro,

on our own on our own, that is just not too accurate. Or maybe the interpretations is a bit better. not local, that's how that? I think, I'm just in the in the world, my, man, yes, yeah, the first, it's the way, I'm not even when I'm not in the same as a subatia,

but from the result of my experience, myerset, mas. If the topic of local, it's so hard to look like to try. So that I'm just like a more scientific, which I think this is to deletit in many of the other than data very, right. But that's just so it's very local. Oh, it's just for a minute, I'm sorry, I'm going to,

or, that, that, it, only it's just to be it's a little, there's not data, because it's notarous and, what, what, you know, the data in our time, in our data, it's not too bad, and this we can also, can, how much, or something, that's, it's still, it's not,

like in maintenance, or from content and the other. There's, but if we're bandinging can with, like, in the other countries that are more than more than more, we're making, we're going to, why penurusan's still

because it's really, so hard, so little. But if, if, if, if, there, I think, this is very potential, because, as much as I'm as if I'mas, as if I'm as if I'mas, yeah,

when I'm saying, I'm going to write aromacarsa. In that I'm, I'm going to beaumka-pahid, wow, what I've got to that's, and there's been a lot of much I thinker, adhaping I have enough time, you know, I'm noticum, to be able to doceean this even, even,

what I mean, they said, we're saying, we're the kind of people, ma, that can make our our, can be a lot of

because, because if he just as a matter academic, that's, that's a little, and, And, what's the book is that is like the

story of UMKM, the jambattans, in the subatine-petit, popular, to be in a lot of the narrative, so that's about something that's something that's really, can't be very fresh, and I'm going to and I'm making it will

it, actually, it's actually the nature of the partarical of people, to learn to learn more than And I'm like this one philosophy in, I'm in this much, there's one who's been one who's about, by the way, if you,

what's what's what, what, what, tea, coffee, or what, this, I, I've, I've, made an analogy,

the people who I can't I'm like, if I'ma book Jenner, Gennar Maesah Ayu, it's like bacha cupi to burr. Because he is very lugas, many things that pett nendang, that's like coffee to burq. If you're like Aya Utami,

it's like Capucino. He's very artistic, like, so, like, at the other than the other, like, if I'ma Dewe, when I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to be,

I'm going to find out other. I don't know what I'm not know my analogy is, but I'm going to my book my, when we're going to talk about perfume,

I think I'm going to know about maja pahit, I'm so I'm getting to I think I think about spirituality, I want to know about macup-picu and sogain. It's something that I think that's a philosophy that I've paged, maybe, but now with more sadder, I want my book my book that,

to munching people to find out more about about the other than book it's own. Church, the imagination. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, this, I want to drill down on this point, If we're going to the book supernova. I can, if you're going to think about the

letupan. This is about the same mulan of the Sumatra-Urata-Urata. I'm going to have hypotesa that letupan toba that's happened 75,000 years It's been correlates with revolution cognitive that's been 70,000 years ago. Revolution cognitive is a titic or mass

where the upuron our own uproar it's about to beaesar. And it's like, it's correlates with capacity to manusia to be survive. a lot of 2 million tons material from the Bumi that's been suburb by letupantobah.

If you can survive, and it's rippo'an time, it's around the world. If you can survive, it's more cerdas than than what's before you. Yeah. Yeah, we can know about Sriwijaya,

the dejaa in the Mastahe we can't know about the majora in the mass of Majapahit for 100 years, several years, but if I'm in fact, this is one topic again, which predates

Majapahid and Sri Wai, even in 75,000 years ago. I think it would be cool if there's people in Indonesia that's known about this. So, Ms. Gita, sengage manching, yeah? Not mancing,

who's provocation? Yeah. Because it's like, there's transfer virus, like, oh, this, topic, menaric. But, really, but I'm really, that. Supervolcano, that's one thing.

Why not? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be happy to be your assistant. No, because I'm at campus, I'm going to about this, not in the, not in the other country, but there's not there who's who's who's who's who's who's

there's a lot of the other-negris that's you know, and he's a pen-nullis the people, you should do this, but I said, but I'm, I'm not

there's no-a-the-beasan-nulis I have to do-k and But if there's any Indonesian that can't knowles how like this, could be you. Okay, ma. Yeah, right? Yeah, right.

And one other, if we're to to-book, the many of the other than maja, and shri-whi-wijay, it's been by the other-negris. Yeah. In YouTube, even though, even if we're

and if we look at the other than people who's about the other than in the other than I'm the last one of the last year, not before that. And that's, if it's something that's... Okay, to be fair, when I was discussing with Janet Denive. If in the other-negris,

if they're to publisher, they'd give DP, 10-15,000, So, economics is viable. If there's a person person who's a publisher, Tung a little, boss. Yeah, right? Yeah, right?

Right, right. Right, right. So, so the ecosystem is, and the other, this, maybe, This is maybe I've got to work with my people who've got to people who are people, PPPH royalty, because nature of the

work-and-menulies, it's out-bri-bri-mack-wact-puted process that long, so if we're, if we're, okay, here, I'm going to, and what, royalties I'm just two-year-year-old with uplah of theop-lawedualan

that maybe there's what did-laport-can, there's-gna-gna-gat and soaguenya, how we're going to be-hap-handication? Because I think top-topic-topic-bos-per-it-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-pac-th. And, ma-a-old. So, it's, it's... I'm not we can start a sponsorship, for topics that's important and important to be

to be it's like crowdfunding, but, but it's not there, but there's no, there's been in the world, that's who's in the domain academic. They're, they're also, is that's about three to five research assistants. Yeah. Yeah.

And, it's gratis, too. In this, to get one assistant just, modality from where, boss? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. before before the publisher, $15,000. And if there's a person a new person new, he, want, or not to be, to publisher. And there's, it's also, the kind of 20% royalty.

So if he wants to write, to publication, and the risk more big, he's more than, be aspirations from up to up, but, but... But, but I'm not a lot of it, not, not, not, not, ma'etit. Very, man. I'm not, mas.

I have, what, yeah, I have to consider myself very lucky, to be like to be, yeah, a little bit more, I can be be able to begantung to profession menulis me, from, for the penitapotan-kut, but I also sadder that people who can be positioned this is a little, and penurice it must be be a profession-sampingan, for many people, so.

So, for, you know, for books which, that's the same-and-and-and-you-mahal the work for a lot of time. That's a lot of years, and, until now, still still still still still to make commercialization this this is a tipal

with what he's justed-asahed in what he's just a time, so it's like, there's a kind of a work, if you don't love it, it's just a... because of the work of the research, like John Grisham, from royalties. Every time, it's about 50 to $60,000,000 dollars. Yeah, if I'm going to write, too.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stephen King, 40, jute a year, from royalties. From royalties. J.K. Rowling, if, If you're based on paperback, $7.8.1.1 million,

one billion, got, got 15% 1 billion US. Yeah, it's more success. And ecosystem is just like that. In this,

who's who's thinking to be billionaire as a personolice? Yeah. Yeah, right? So it's just. And, it's again, we're going to be able to come back.

This, we're talking about ecosystem of the per bucawana Indonesia, you know, mashe. There's one platform that we've to bethumboquins, that is the ecosystem of thebukes of the world, where, to menemus it, PR's still very, and, and, we can be able to be like, like, is still in the first in a Rintyceean,

in the first, in the Fremfurt Bookfair, London Bookfair, that's still baby step, for then we can't, to come to be in the scale as much penes-menuise international, like John Grisham and so

so many book that's about, cumulative? I don't know that, but if... A-juta-an? Maybe $1. Because from 13, 13 books, I'm sorry,

I'm sorry, I'm 13 book, I'm, maybe, maybe, there's that's 30-c-cated-cats-ulang, and that's about 20-kater-luck-luck and in

every judul-koo, it, almost all of it's notherstaping, so, even when, if you're cutipan, it's probably better with book novel standalone, it's pretty bad-bred-bott-a-half-old, you know. But it's cumulative, means, ma'amphi-old, from first-one, from first-old. From the first story.

And I mean, you're a success story. And I think this is inspiration for the young people who are to be a good, to make a person-taking. It requires risk-taking. But the penal of risk that also to put-padue or even topang by the ecosystem, that's from publishers and entrepreneurship

who want toopan them. If not, yeah, same just be wrong. We can't be able to see the next with a lot of people with a lot of quality. And, in-put-Inty-lain, for people in the era of now, this is also,

the ability to massac-can-is-and-is-nigh-old, because, it's very, if I'm going on the condition per-supernova, yeah,

in 1999, and supernovae 2001, And in the 90s, the name's meet-and-grid, acara book signing, talk show, to where-mong, it's still very long-a-old. If you're not even if you're not in the book, it's there's a picture, maybe there's a poster-ne,

maybe there's a single in a majorla, that's one group, with penerbid it, still is very much. Now, now, we've already, we've got to be able to be a plan, because with everyone, now, now, has been made-a-professing each-mash-mash-mash-mash-l-l-l-mobile-media, but it's also a good-skill and sabiness to then-ment-met-cathes-a-cure-court-a-cure-a-cline-cableness,

how I'm-coulding with the public-a-cac-and-sebac-and-a-. And this is something I think, not even people have comeawan and getterterican for that. Because I know, there are privy-pribody of the people who, I like, I like to know

but, please, marketing, I don't want to know, like, people just, just, now, and, in the era, this, we're not just can't just can't but how you

can representatis representatism as a person who can't can't connect, can't be related, can be communication, get back. This is now, canals digital, has been very many. And, if I'm for massarking,

caria, too, more, and more, yeah, right? Ibarat-cata, just the book you're new, rapy jali, be promosy-a-dial digital

viewership of a million. Yeah. Yeah. Or you're gonna make a channel but that's maybe probably, it's a little bit more than you're down-pleng just. Just think about

if I'm not simple. I mean, I'll promote your book. Yeah, right. I'll send you a copy. Let's tell you about rapy jali. Okay. I'm at the end of the last

there's a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a few in a few, but the story about rapi jali. Okay. How about? I think I have a question also for Ms. Gita. Okay. Rapi Jali is a book

who, I'm first, talk about the theme music. I'm backer in music, but somehow, I've never even about music. Better than rectoverso. If rectoverso, it's, they have a story, and there's format,

in a different in the form of the form of the song. But music, music, not made the theme central in the story of the story. If this is about a person ...anagant, prodigy, and he was a stu-besu-besu-asured by a son-a-cke who'd-dunuch-been, though 70-hand. Seagalah?

What's the man? No, no, no, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. And then, he then, medidic the cuchunia, because he's active to band,

and he's been making all of music in the room. He has been blues, and that's the mannula and that's the people that's the people that's pink, so that's the unilionia king. Cakey-trakensi music, so, yeah, hoochie-cuchy men, yeah, Madi Waters, then rolling stones, and sogagery. So, it's too-uacemusicna, and so. And what he didn't know is,

he turned out of someone in a state of Jakarta, where, where, the fact is the Jakarta, and in Jakarta, then, he's the world new, music, that, for you know,

to be able to music, not just enough you have a peneran, because he's perfect pitch, he can, he can, he can make-imitati some music,

that he can hear, but for, he can, When we have to school of music, he has to romewark from zero, because the cupping is not even to save him. What can't even help can't help them is technique. And he has to learn about ballok and stuff. And then he has made up and so again,

and he's just a band in band kakeetna, and he had been with the friends and this one, and this one, with, with problems with each of their There's a man, there's a man who's been among them, there's there's a person's of the same thing, there's there's the bumble, bumble drama in there. And what's the interesting is,

this is, this is for work in in the work. So, when they make a song, it's I must make the song. When the kake-kennan, then from the 70s, that's the 10-again,

that's the same, I have to give you, I first wrote the story, I was, I'm saying, I'm just saying, ah, this is the story of SMA, it's, it's gampang! When I was just thought, man, ternata, that's about I have to make

make sense, and, what, make sense and, optimal, one of the other than in the story of the story. So, so I'm not just about narrating lyric, but this, this, the song is there's a real-a-law. Now, that's the runcannation. Memangue, lagu-lago in Rappi-Jali,

will be released and be able to be a album, and this, maybe, for the first time, I'm making that I'm doing this, so. so it's soundtrack, so if someone's making film, this is a soundtrack, this is from the booku-it-saint-tracks, because it's been made to make up to make up the book. Wow, I think it'll do well. Yes.

And this is for the first time I, what, yeah, it's, to describe music, as long this, I'm listening music, but how, but how then, description of music, what's what's what's going to be what's going to be the book, and then the people can't

get in the music, the music, what he's being made, it's really, it's really hard. So, this technique you also can be coasasay, yeah,

buttow, but, I'm, even though I can't piano, I do, do learn classic, but, I'm not as changihy character who I'm saying I'm

So that, so to go to start up, you have to start up. Have you to find out, right, okay, we'll start with questions, this, this, why? 2045,

100-year-merdeka. Oh, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah. What imagination you, from the side literary on Indonesia? Wow. 2005, it's 20-1-4-town? 24-torn from now.

We've already won't in Sastra? I think it's not, ma'am. If we've won't, but we'll have more people more people who are more people who that's to the level international, that we can't that's the penlis Indonesia,

including yourself. Mooda, muddhaan. Would it be able to get translated? Well, it's not too many. For the prahu-kertas and supernovae there's, there's been

English, and the prahu-kertas has a penerbid that's Amazon Crossing. And there's good for philosophy copy has been in the Japanese and it's just like to take up again.

That's I don't know, why, who's who's who's going to be philosophy copy in the Japanese? But it's right, it's just setack-ulang. And the penerbid that's also will intergemaking supernovae to in the Japanese. And, other, there, there's a language for the prahu-kertas.

Like, for the language, like that's like, Japan, English, Malayu. Yeah. But, actually, the most important, English, because he'll be able to different different

other than other, you know, with the termination? There's not, there's in translation, or? So, if I mean, I think,

if I'm, I'm just a termination, I'm just, this I'm just, I'm both penerjemmen, First, Harry Eveling, and one, Tiffany Sow. Two of the two of them managemack and they're also very dedicated.

But there's a lot of nature in the language Indonesia that, I mean, I can't as pernowning to the language and the other than the other than. So, if I'murciccould, when we're trying to learnercamaic to in English, we have more... ...centil. Because, if, if, no, it's plain, ma'amette,

in the language, because we're not, in the other than we don't have tenses, we don't have penises, we don't have penises, and the same thing. So, so that he can't be able to be able to be able to be able to be transliter, I think, I mean, I think, so not just perennermain and it's just perennermain but there's an issue

creating something on the translation itself, What's the task of it? What we can do? What we can't? Nobel? Or something like Nobel? Have more thanerjimah? That's one of one factor,

that's one factor, we have many jembatan that no there. There's a pastar that menanti, menanti, caria,

but the jembatan that's not And to make sure this, it's not a process that's in a new, so if there's, I'm not a process that's in a short. So if there's, I'm in the I'm saying, if there's a. AI, in the other than years, it's going to be more

more, you know, for things that, this should be able to be quick, because if you're when you're making personerjamaan, you, yeah,

there's nuance and, but, but it's a lot And we'repacu, for for for example, I, for me, for me, for for for terming for, for me, for in 2004-5, we can be able to help with AI to re-enemhackan Kareka BASA Indonesia. AI, this is quite pervasive,

it's been able to be able to be in many situations. I think not peru-nung-24-Tal. Bissas, it's more, I guess, than that, I think, right? Now, we've got to be it's got to be it. But don't even if you're going to be able to be able to see how much more than that's a way. Now I want to ask, okay,

you're going to be able to be able to we've got to get into spirituality. We're, we're, we're, in, we're more percaya with Google to do things that are very confidential. even more than what we're more than what we're very about what we can't getick with two-jampol

if we're to the mesjit or we're to the greeja or to anyone that's allambeen that's what, yeah, the mancouement, that's what, in the context of the you about spirituality? Is it disturbing? or that we have to rancol.

I, if technology, I'm more than to be more than to runcule, because, I mean I, technology is a kind of a kind of thing that's something that will be, but, but we can't even can't even to keep the

or even to look-butte at the of the-brew-data-2, So, if I'm in myroth I'm in fact that's what I'm sure, skill awareness is that's what I'm going to save us, to help us to melanching where it's as farus'n't private, where the same thing's the rana public, where we have to, what, name, what, what, name,

it's really, that's what I'm in our own in 245, this is something I'm think that I'm being in the curriculum, that's mindfulness is being a part of curriculum. Because we don't have to, we don't have to, not just to be able to be happy. Everyone knows how to be happy. But how to be able to be able to be able to be able to beware. Desperation. When people have been able to be cyberbullying, that's a mental health issue

has been a lot of people that's been talking about. Because we've got never had skill to under it. We don't know how to manage the paineritaan it's like what. And I think in the penangana perennedana perennedtaan, not just enough we can't doggma-agama. But this has been a partical, that can beajurek, can be able to be applied by various ways of usia. So I'm seeing,

I'm thinking, you know, it will very help to make at least the effect of theemot-bremat-doumatted technology. It's a manuble buddha, for noble truths. Yeah, right? suffering, the end of suffering, the cause of suffering. Yeah. So I'm also that's obsessed with per-deritaan,

because it's just a very much how to be able to do you know how to beajured again, like you do you deal with pain, how do you deal with suffering. That's all from from our, from our people who, So that's people who are more much more much easier to be in the world that's ebba-cepat in, like, this. This is, I've got it's going to beckxas-bawahy the importance of our to make uphackan storyteller.

You're, is a storyteller who is a storyteller who is a storyteller Hawaii, right? How can we can't teller with a number of many to be able to beaumptu-five, Indonesia, can be really, story's already

properly told. Yeah. I actually see that that'sadarant that's there is, that's about the important is about

if we're in seminars, seminar marketing, seminar, what name, social media and soagenae, everyone's talking about story, the important story, when people who are doing the product

that's in the story and sogainty. But skill that's skill that's a good skill that's a person can be able to with, and with many- make-and-ac-ac-ac-courat,

That's right. It's just that's just to be able to be able to seeasati. It's really hard to do you, and ... ... ... ...the work for this is a work that will be long asumur-hiduptu... It's like an art that never ends,

... I have a principle, we're not ever ...in' we're not ever be jaguance, in writing in writing, we're just... It's an art that needs to be scienced. Yeah. Yeah. And we can just be better better than than the other than that's always been the principle I,

when I was making a book a new, there's a per-buoyican from my book that's the last. Because if, what's the point? Yeah. Every career has to bring me to a more better as a person-per-per-te-and, I'm like, yeah, man, that's,

The other is not only storytellers but also but the culture of craftsmanship. When we want to make uproquake a work or a work, we're we're hargay so that's how so that you're

ready to be a person who's not know what every day, and I'm looking there's there's about in Japan, how people can then deduacizcahation to make sushi, and he's making the same the best of the world, or just to make up what,

that's really, so, what, flawless, and so, it's about, make sure, it's a craftsmanship, this mentality that's

important to be suburb- So not only storyteller that can get a manfait from here, but there's many different professions, that's, especially for storyteller, come back again, I mean, I think,

how much the way of the language, because it's very about, the same thing, like, I mean, about the

religion, about about about about the language that's better than the other than in other than Englisha we learn about books, of course of science, and sogain. But, how to be it's different.

So, how much, then, what's it, man, making school that's a place that more much more than more than practice and to make up-a-lake, in my thought I, that's it, normative and hafalae, the story-sene-brenuous,

sense of mindfulness, sense of what-naman-ship in different kinds of different kinds of classes in school, like how can't make a class in the class-and-ship in the 12-12-ne-in-in-in-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-that, that's, I think,

that's, if you're asked to know-n-n-lis-n-n-n-lis-lure, is the sort of the anthropology, history, political economy, or whatever. What's what? What's it from? Right, ma'amfulness, is? Mindfulness.

Yeah. Because, this is one topic that's important. And, maybe mindfulness, I mean, to well-being, yeah, and I think this is something that we can be in different things and profession. I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be able to have been

there are more than a bit more than what we're going to be able to be able to beckoned that's that's much more so much more than everything, living more than everything, it's more than it's more than it's more than, and if I've been bach it, there's been many that's been mucasay,

how we can't be more the longer, only because of the long-lanking simple just, through pernavassan or mindfulness or what, but this is, this, this, can be able to be able to be elaboration a little about mindfulness, maybe in a context that's more pragmatic,

if you're alluregated, then, where's more therapeutic, what more meditative, meditati or alerata? For the importance of your production, so that production and productivity that's for the world for people. Okay.

So, I think I'm really, this is two activities that can be apart, but it's always in a good-buebunan, maimfulness is to be taken to every other so we can mindful walking, we can doing mindful sport,

we can do mindful singing, writing, so, so really what mindfulness this, So that's just as a very much of our focus our sceney-kine, to the present moment. And, actually, just that, mas. Only that's just that.

But for we can't get it, this is the interesting, this is, this is not can't be able to be a concept, but it has to bealami. When we've ever When you've got to get it's about, oh, then you can't it's like, okay, this apple,

oh, it's the, there's chute, there's chute-keut-neut-neut-ne. But if you don't take the bite, it was just going to be a concept, okay, concept manis, there's a crutchy, or whatever, or anything, but if you take a bite, then you know, oh, this, then you can apply to everything. Now, sometimes to find the giggit of apple that, that's what we'll

do meditation. So, meditati-in, is a re-gayment to know that it's about here, kine, if it's if it's been able to be able to be able to be in some kind of, we can't do other things. So this is two things that are different different, but it's being in between, and, so bethaping, is it, is, not just, not.

But if you just do simple things, just think that I'm just on the way, I'm going to, I'm going to write, I'm saying, I'm going to write, because of how many, we're in one day, Like that's like, I'm... I'm from...

I'm like, maybe five minutes, I'm going to be able to full of connect to my own to my own to my mind, and this I'm going to go to where,

and this I'm going to go where? This is my just to be... completely in that moment. focused, actually that's just, but it's a lost skill that we can't even if you took the bite.

So that I'm what I'm having can, what I, can be hader in a book, barang-kali, that's the, because if there's one, One of the talenta that I've got, I'm, that I'm, this is anugrah for me,

is that I'm going to be a lot of I can make things important, how I think this can be be very people, in a story because I'm that's my forte my is it's the fortes, that's the power where I can make a difference, that's.

Warrowsa. But don't look, Don't remember, sir, man, Monetaoba. Yeah, can, you know, it's been, it's not, right? And, no, there's vaccine.

Yeah, and about in 2004-5, before we'll have to end up the session that's very interesting. Hmm. If about... Indonesia, or what, what, what, if we're going to do,

I'm going to say, I'm going to be, I'm going to be a this a profession that as long as my thinking of my life this is something I want to live so much more of the time. So,

24 years from now, I'm I'm still having the bed cave that, I'm still I'm still... Yes. I'm still He will go out of book new, that's a mean. Amen, we doaing. Thank you.

You know, that'stari The Masterpiece Creator Penulis, many of the work as rapijali. Thank you. This is endgame.