Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Dirikan Tokopedia Karena Kepepet | Endgame ft. Leontinus Alpha Edison (Part 1)

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

Jarang disorot media, co-founder Tokopedia yang akrab dipanggil Leon bercerita tentang musisi idola sampai ketertarikan pada game yang membuatnya terpanggil untuk mendalami ilmu dan memulai bisnis berbasis teknologi. Di episode ini kita belajar bahwa panjangnya usia sebuah organisasi tidak hanya bergantung pada etos kerja dan kepemimpinan, tapi juga pada kesetiaan pada sebuah misi jangka panjang.

There's joke, when I was at all right when I'm upto's when I'm going to do you're going to be success, success, TING, TING, you'll, you're going to be the economy,

so, this is N-GIN. Hi, time, we're coming Leontinus, Thomas Alpha Edison, co-founder from Tokopedia,

and we'd we can go over long, about about the future of Indonesia to the Leon, thank you very, can't be able to come. Tama, sir, thank you, thank you, I'm going to end up.

Leon, I want to ask about the Mastowne-A-Nazabeth. You're at Ponsignac, on 19 March, yeah? Yeah, bettul. Paecese, 1981, right? Yeah. So, now, is now, right, right.

Now, when in Ponti-Anak, to Jochia, how much of the Jocay, how much, how do you? How about what, or what? Oh, yeah, I'm, maybe, if nakal, see, I'm just-send-sedang, so, not too what, but I'm not too, not too, not too,

um, no-out, so, uh, But I'm not even though, so there's bellocs about belos to ban. Pernah. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, old. Okay. Yeah, I'm not too,

partying, from the kids, so, from my, my, my, okay. Okay, guru. Okay, student, school, uh, as I remember, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

my mother's, my mother's, Okay, so I'm going to teach in mathematics. I'm English with my English, and my mother. So, so the education is not being what I mean, what I mean,

I'm just like a little, no, no, no, but, just, but, like, or? More to the instrument, or?

Or, didactic, otto-died, but, just, just, Instrument? I'm, if you're keyboard, if you can't play accord, yeah, you know, yeah, well.

Okay. Guitar, also, can't play accord, yeah, but not until serious. But I'm, but I'm, I'm, I'm going to Pardonsora, that's from AISD. Okay. Because, you know,

basically, can't be asked for the Catholic, you have to go, part of the Chora, but, actually, so, it's just, So it's always, so forthon-soura, so that's ESMP. Okay. Yeah, SEMP.

So, every week, we're latien two-kali, and then every week our Bordaura our own support our at the Gereja, and then more serious again when school in Georgia, and then I've saraed-sherosin a little. But when you're the idolat? Well, I'm yin'id in Badaun Suara, but I'm even idolathe Banjovi, ma'am.

Okay. Okay. Why not like Paparotti or Placido Domingo? I'm idolat it to the Avae Toa right? Okay. Why? What's the Bon Jovi is that?

The story, yeah, sir, yeah, so I, I'm saying, I'm saying this, this is, like, this is, when he, when the time, when the latin music,

that, not with a great, oh, well, it's not with the other than the guru's, well, you know, my own bachat, that's not with a music, but, but, but, he can make up with the music, and then,

the other person's a kre-keraz. There's been interviewer, he said, oh, don't, don't, don't, if the band member, that's not even if I'm

because there are some band members that's been able to be able to be a great because they're because they're a tour that, can a year full, pinded-pinded-piddle-pinded-cota. And sense of business is good. Yeah, he's not a restaurant, too, right?

Yeah, but he's a Dermawan also, but he's a lot of, he's about, he yumbang to where. when the baritia, there was in gratis-in." So, all of the people who are caught, said, can't be in restaurant, they don't have to pay. He said,

right, now, I think there's restaurant. He had one, they're one, not-pap-a-mackan, but contribute to community just. So, so. So, it's great, yeah. Now, if not there's not

And in the story like this, you still, you know, even though, because the song is good, yeah, sirs, yeah, yeah, the song is good, when he was young, sound really, so it's really really,

so I'm really, so I'm not, I'm not, sounder-soren, like, she's-srack, like, he, too, he, not, so, so I'm not,

soarer, yeah, and, it's good, so it's, good, and, and, It's right, right, not that's not that's not very strong, like? Now, this is it,

do you know, like, in computer or programming, or this kind of, like, one-off just, that? Maybe, this, this, a little, it's, it's,

like, curious just, not, uh, if, If you're not even being, so if you're not ever doing, it's it's, I'm going to be able to be.

I think I'm going to be more people, they're more matured, that's more matured. So, if I reflect on the journey in Toppedia, if I'm not execute, not be it's not going to be able to be able to take-line. Just we're just from the experience,

so we're from, we're going to do. And we have to work, but, but, but, like, music that's more time, it's more matang, when our company our more,

more than, more, All right is more than more, the number of people more, we're more people more, we're more than more. We're not as if we're getting people,

not just, it's all of the leadership, the leaderships, the way communication, we've got, we can't all the company, we can't, we can't,

we can't. Now, we've got, 4,000, 5,000? Yeah, we're still in the town hall just, there's there's a lot of technology, right? Right. So, probably we can make, if we can make, if we're making, if we're making YouTube live for internal,

can be private, yeah. So, everyone can see. But if you're YouTube live, that's one-arra, yeah. So, interaction two-arraining, also not asgampang. So, it's, If we're more much more, like the organization has to make more

matang, but we have to be more than we're going to be more. We know, many of the role I'm in my personal, I should have to be able to. If not, I'm not going to be able to be able to be able to be it. When I hook with computer? When I was S.D. Yeah? First time I'd be able to bea-computer.

Then I'm playing game. No, no. No, no. When it was just to play game, just to lock, just to lock, playing game. And I'm, I'm really, there's kind of,

there's a friend that's more computer. Now, when he came to my home, he said, can this, this, this, and then I'm going to like,

wow, kind of, yeah, that then, I think, this is just that the other, there's just the Myrumpat, there's one of the small.

Oh, I said there's a big bigger. Oh, that's, I'm also remember, the time I was playing game, it's a half, playing game is, but I'm going to, so I'm going to, and then, and then, and then,

that's, that's, that's really, that's really, oh, you, you know, you can't, oh, because,

because, capacity storage storage is more. Oh, that's, Oh, yeah, right. Right, right. Right, right. Yeah, that's the . Yeah, that's 3.5, yeah, then.

Then, not be a little bit more than that, in the SM, in the SMP, class 3, there, can have a class computer in school. I'm still thinking the computer's, you can't make a song, so, so, if you can, can, then, then, the PR is, it's just because it's what you want to do you,

Oh, what's about you. Yeah, I've got to make a song Bon Jovi. Oh, I'm going to get up. So I'm going to, so I'm going to make, so I'm going to be a great. And then one other one other than is, he said, you know, now, now, now, now, he said, he said, you'll buy hard disk, you'd buy harddice,

you'd go. This two of 1990s, yeah. Yeah, he said, So that's allop the disk, so it's all of the game can more than one, many games, then just buy hard disk, passang. So that's what I'm making I'm going to this computer,

but every I get-tombedsha, but every I get-tummed-sehsha, there's just that's about class 6th S. So, that's the class 3 SMP, that's. And then, that's serious, the first time, rural? Oh, well, I'm trying, if,

coding the first time of the first time, so, so when you're just in the game? Yeah, yeah, only game. But when, when you're going to be to ask you, and what, what, what, I'm going to what, I'm going to,

I'm going, because, because my experience, I'm going to play game, and then, and then, In film, you know, bobble-brancas, there there's people who came, there, no, I don't know what I'm going to get up,

so. I'm going to get into, so I'm going to get into other, ma. I'm going to go to doxatica just, yeah, I just doffautica, but I'm going to doffauticca, but I'm going to apply to where? In Joghah, it's...

Only to Jokja just. Yeah, from Tinti Annak, maw, Why not to Jakarta, Surabaya? Because when I was, after the Russoan, ma. Okay. Yeah, so when I was in 2008, I was in class 2, SMA.

Now, when I was class 3 SMA, when I was, there was a lot of my students from Jakarta. Okay. They said, it's, yeah, it's a-seru-s-serim-like, because, this, not, at that,

In Georgia, relative, more than Yeah, because of the other than I'm, so I'm with my name and my name, to Georgia. When we were to take a couple, Kapalny, Kapalawit. At Semarang, we'd get to Sumarang, from 2009. 2009, yeah.

Wow. Then how did you? How did you? Tell you. If atma, in my opinion I'm saying, I'm saying, sir in here, my up-taxat-shae-taughtsha, many of the Joggiah or from the

top talent in Atma Jammah? Campo, sir, sir, so there's people from Jambi, from Riyaw, there who, from Papua, also, and there who from Bali. That, I think of my name, So, sometimes when I go to Georgia, some of the

some of the students of my, some, you know, generation of you, the top-bangered again, that's more, yeah, that's been encouraged more. Oh, yeah? So, there's info that from the docent I. Now, what I think, the The top talent is many. That's all,

top talent's many, talk talon. So, so I'm, yeah, and I'm, kind of, because, I'm from Pontianard.

So, logit wicar, better, so many the stilah that's different, that's, the most the most,

the point in Pontiana that, If at Joguil, I was tea. I don't know. I said, I'm saying, I'm saying, he said, he said, he said,

he's being wrong. He's not even though, no, I'm going to be more more than more. T.S! He said, oh, why,

I'm with my time with my time with my time. He's not, you know, what you're saying? I'm going to, this, this, tea, manis, and there is,

Oh, you've been saying, oh, okay, okay, yeah, yeah. That's, like, there's a little bit more than, there's a lot of, I'm not saying I'm going to say I'm going to get it, so I'm not so, so it's just, so it's just-lucan, so, sometimes, kind of, little, little, and then, and then, I think, again, in campus, that, I'm pretty much, because I'm going to

I'm not going to be a dockeke-killer. But I'm not, no, no. But I've learned many, but I'm going to learn there's been from Australia. So he's got to take a master degree in Australia. So, the way of the way of the Australia, like, like not everyone's just like, just a little that's just that.

I'm not saying that's the way of the he's more open, more than what I'm going to be open, communication two-arra, and, after opening assistant dosain, I'd be the assistant of the student of the student-dial-day, I'm going to apply. Artign is it's already, already, you've gottain,

yeah. Yeah, maybe, yeah. What's the most challenging in college? I think I'm the most challenging that's, that's, ma'ameter science, ma'am. Okay.

Because computer science, can, man, so I'm, I'm really, I was, quite in logic. But, but,

for success in computer science, it's not just logic, like, so, so, So if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's like, if all the other things that are difficult. I mean, there's a lot of school about user interface.

That's really, because it's really, ma'am. Because, because, if you're saying, oh, if you can't, So I just, design interface, design, interface, you know, in the photo, info where. Now, I'm a bit of the other, I'm asking that, I'm asking that's a bit of a bit of that. But if, the algorithm, that I,

that I like, so I like, so that I'm, I'm not, I'm not, this I can't, and this I can't, And then what I like is the software engineering, the way of the technology, that's okay. But, but many things that are other, which, especially the hardware, the perangard kras, I can't.

I remember, there lab, perangkernet kras, that's the most, I mean, my, my. that, that, that, that, it's, it, it's, so, that, it's, so, so, so. So, I'm really,

technical, computer science, it's really, that's really, but, you know, but when we're we can, we can't take the jurus of that we like. So, I'm really reka-asah, like, runa, when when you're thinking,

to be, what, yeah, entrepreneur at the university? Actually, no, I, not? No, I don't.

I don't, I don't, So, the time of the other than the it's like, if we have skill, then we have a career, we're doing that's about. So, we're doing entrepreneur, we're going to pepette, ma. We're entrepreneur because we're going to

because we're at a company that, after, after we're at 1,5-tah-tawn we're in there, we're not in the So that's what we'll have to do we have to do with what we're doing if we're doing what business is this is to-tutup, we're jobless. Now, that from that we're going to try what we're going to work on. This not to be a dot-com crash, in 2000.

That's when, was it, like, leget to up, then you're going to us up, Not, no, so farage. Maybe because I'm an engineering, so far engineering. So far as one of company that I've gotagumi to Google, if that was Google. Google, is there, in 2000? Did you're in 2009, but I'm going to be. Yeah, 99, but I'm going to be.

Okay. I'm still in the lab computer that, 2001, 2002, I started Google. Okay. Now, uh, uh, when that's, because,

there was job, though, when I was in, what's doing, computer, success, success, tingly, you know,

you're, like, right, because, now, right, so, yeah,

, but, , and I'm, Google, computer science, not to be boss, that's right? Casar that's not so. And they're anti-MBA? Right, but too. So, so, we're going to have some kind of that. So we're seeing, oh, this,

more, what, like, after I've been working on the Internet, it's more than, so we can make sure to be like that. But that's in the last year's about 2000-a-old, people, that's just like Google just, like IBM, compact,

that's like dream job. Yeah, right. Yeah, but but it's very interesting that, in the time of the time of the not ever there's not ever, not ever, to be a company or entrepreneur. No, no, no, no.

No, no. dream job, because this is one of the one of the other one of the other than we make for OPED Joe, because if we look at, the time of the world, Indonesia is, the problem is the problem is the power,

not everyone has people who have the people who We have in the small in Pontiana. We have in the country in Pontiana, my friends that are more good but not much. Now,

they're just distributors tungal from brand national, or brand international. But for that, but for that, basically, it's the basis is to be that there must have a model

money, so that's more than the many of the people's, the way, the time not, not, not matter for everyone, so I'm not, I think that's going to be. You're going to be able to be a big, that's going to be a person. Yeah, so because not there,

so we can't, so we're not, so we're going to, um, the realistic, so, so, so, be a more realistic, yeah. What's what in the other campus that's been in the as a person who's-being?

Forgauling with people with cos. So, I'm going to, I'm going to I'm going to go to Georgia, there's a few people, yeah, ma'amah, several of the people who are people who are

people in one-de-a-a-oh-court-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. Now, I'm not, ma'amourer. Yeah, so I was a Catholic, so I was a Catholic, so I was a brother at that, he'd known comeonacan in the Udha, and the monaghanes that's where I'm not cost, but some some some some of some stay, so I stay with the other than,

and that's a lot to land, and then, because I got a little bit from the campos, then I was going to go to the campus, I was going to go to cost. So we, we're at the same house. There's five of the room, and we're different. It's all. And we're really,

we're really, when we saw the same we get in the client of the house that. So there are people Lampung. Random, that random, that's random. You believe in random? Theoretic? I think sometimes random things can happen. Thenes, right?

One other, ma'am, when I was at Gurnkidul, in Plain, it's same, it's random, so the clompokin'nia KKN, it's not going to be the panacea KKN. We can't pick. Tiber, papan, per cent. We're trying to find my name

I, what, and what's the group of what? When the group of the people, oh, the economy, there tech industry, industry, I'm informatica, and there's a world biologi. Gapen, that. Ben-buck-brenom, really, not know. It's interesting. The conversation is interesting.

At all the other, it's kind. Yeah, or not? Yeah, or not. There's more mal-mallow, there's more proactive, that's, and then, and the more proactive, then, the other, the location, so, ma. So, we can, KKN, it,

I was in the house of the of the house of the house of the head of the house. Yeah, I was just I thought that people in the people who are and I remember

this one, in the gurnkidduken, all of the mudduring, I had to emper, the key motor I'mper, the key motor, he's, he's,

sumur. That's one of the people from there Because of the same way. Not only like a tally. He's not like a time-box just. Yeah, he's like like Spider-Man, take it, and then he'd like again.

And then, then, help just, that's just, so, I mean, I mean, I mean, I was, it's, well, so, so, so, I, I, too,

did, people, to help you, ma'a. Yeah, right. That's one of the God, yeah. So that's really, we're not there's

not anything, I've been thinking, but after the other I've been renew, why can't, yeah, this, the answer one,

that's just one, that's there, do you, Lus, then, where? I'm not,

no, no, just, So, so that was the top that's the bali camp. Bali camp, that was the top really. Now, then, oh, I'm from my founder of founders,

I said, oh, I'm going to be with founders' founders. So I was just going to interview there. But I'm not in op-ed-uport to Balikam. Because I didn't know, yeah, maybe the need of their in Jakarta, yeah? So, after I interviewed in Jakarta, I got to get him by Jakarta. I was in one of the company that group of Sigma-Citacaraka, so, so that's senior, senior, IT, Indonesia,

like TOTO-Suggingi, yeah, Buh Marina, there's Cahio, there's address Ginting, that's the ptinkina, the mentor and guru I, too. That's, while still still telecom, ma'am. When I was in, I was still Sigma Cipa-CiPacaraca, actually. In the data center, yeah. Yeah, I'm actually in division of software. There's one division of software, yeah.

Now, in there, I'm also, I'm also, I'm also. Mentor, mentor, technology, I'm from there. There's been there. There's a thing that's built you, to, like, yeah, like, it's more, as much as well.

There, there's been, but maybe the bentuckingingia it's still always perjalan, so,

I mean, I was, when in there, we were really, we're very, very, not,

such with the manager. Because manager, not the person, who's working on

project so, so, because estimations iset, I'm lesset, estimation is quite the time. When it's the most

sandser, ma'aminer, so the most insurer, I'm still thinking the day the fourth I've worked after the day, I'm not going to go back, not to come. So, I'm sorry,

reme, so, so, it's a week, night, it's chemis. Wow. That's, yeah, But that's also that's why I made talk about talk about that way. So when William, that,

not like to, not like the manager. Yeah, not, not, not like manager. So we, we're, we're percaya to the executor. So we're trying to people who tiping it execute. Yeah. All right-in' work, work, work, and then we're

now, but we're also when tootopia's about about 100 people. Wow, that's already. This is kind of... This is a bit more than Google, that's... Yeah, well, while the time they're...

Oh, yeah. Even, even, even, even, they're still, even, they're still, like, to look at MBA or manager. Yeah, right, yeah. That, that, really, we're really,

we're really, in talk about whatever can do anything, anyone who's about any other than what's, it's chaos. So, the module that's the same did work by three teams of different, and then,

the idea that's the same thing of the other, right, this is now, it's more chaos, ma'am, that's what, that's what, that's what we can make us that, the position manager

and leadership is really, It's very important, ma. I think I'm actually, I'm actually, I'm actually, sacksy-hidden, I'm personally

leaders, leaders, good at Tokoppedia that they can transformations team that that'd already morally, it's just

so, very good. There's, there's, but because he's leader that's effective, actually. I'm actually, that's actually,

that's great. You've got to bea? Did you? Satyana Della? I've got. I've already, but I've never read, but I've been

many, I've been many that it, what, what, see, , that's,

that's really, not, the software development, like, cloud, this, this, this, empathy. And he,

every week, meeting seniors and senior only going to go about the people, and things about how we can give empathy. In the years, the price of the same, if not or three or four times.

That's important, that, that's the position leader with leadership that's very, very important, now. From Sigma, to talkopedia,

But what's the company? For the company, for the company, for the company, Sigma, I joined in the company Mobile Content, when that was, that I was a company –

As a startup? Or as a career one? Yeah, as a career one. Okay. So, mobile content, can get top really.

All of mobile is great, all, who's more than mobile in the more than now just a SMS yeah. This is SMS, yeah. SMS and MMS, so. So, then,

content that's in the most of the and the way that was the most of the most of the most of the effective, that, that's from the SMS, so. So I'm going to go to that, then, not about I'm out from there, because I'm my own my own my own my own I'm sorry, I'm just

make business mobile content, but at that business, the shard-notes not so not every company with gamponging to get short-court. So, company has to be able to be the traffic is just big, then the company telco wants to give short-court. Because it's a way, because too many,

It's also too. So, but it's more than you can't get out of the resource, and server, and all that's all that, but it's a good, so, and then-itraud, the company, the same thing is the name-banked short-court with company.

So, oh, it's, he said, well, he said, want to, help, help, help the other, I'd say, I said, I was,

I'm like, but I said, yeah, well, I said, I'm about it and then I'd be able to, and then I'd be able to. That's about about two and six, that I, okay.

Bantu. Wow, a year, yeah, did, start about, yeah,

yeah, uh, now, I'm, And then I think that we're working with Sigma, since 2003, and I'm got to be it's just because it's not not just to be it.

Complementary. So William, can, very good in design, UI, U.X, you know, product, like, he's product development is very. And I'm, I'm, I'm engineering, yeah. Engineering and operations, like that, so. So I was just like, so that's like,

so that's okay. Now, from there's two, we try to do with business mobile content, but, it's after we're seeing, this is not too, prospect is not too

good, so. So we, we can't make mutus can make a contract because, because, there's,

there, Before the whole of the business it's all right, it's been fulling, minimum commitment, revenue to telco has to be puttuny. So, we still still, so that the ruginess not much, but in slas, slas,

that, we're going to think and tenang of it, we're going to think what we'll do it's the next next to do next. Now, in slas-as-longrel, that we're about the kind of in

the kota-kechil, the time not as a company as welliam not from small small manned william from satyr ma'amara, actually, more small than Monti Annanak, was still in the city I didn't know that okay William from Sientar, it's more

because the bigot of the city and but from the matang Sientar yeah William from from Mottang Sientar yeah but it's more than Pondi Annac now from there she said he said oh yeah

Kulot, Klontong. Oh, yeah, right. To go to the red from there. The red is a gap of opportunity. So the opportunity, the opportunity, the opportunity, as a company, as a entrepreneur, as a consumer, as much,

not even more. So, now, but now, more money more. If you want to aqua, sometimes one glass that, Except that's from Tokoppedia. Yeah, that's.

That's right. This is end-game. Episode Endgame ... ... ...the day the 4 I've got to after the day, not to come back,

so, so I was rebuk, chemise. So, it's a day, night, it's a chemise. Wow. That, yeah, it's a... ...that, that's also that's that I...

...banku-bankan-thea-capeda, For opede, for the other than how much.