Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - dr. Sari Chairunisa: Pimpin 15 Ribu Karyawan: Itu Amanah

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

dr. Sari Chairunnisa, Deputy CEO ParagonCorp, membahas pentingnya pendidikan STEM dalam meningkatkan produktivitas di Indonesia. Beliau juga membagikan kunci keberhasilan Paragon dalam merangkul aspek kemanusiaan, kemutakhiran, dan relevansi.-------------------------------------------------------------About the host: Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.---------------------Episode lainnya yang mungkin Anda sukai:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...---------------------Jelajahi dan jadi bagian dari komunitas kamihttps://endgame.id/---------------------Untuk ajakan kolaborasi dan kerja sama, hubungi kami di sini:https://sgpp.me/contactus

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see, on the Indianicia to research and technology and development from, from the side or the kind of,

capacity we're production, product stem. Okay, maybe disclaimer I, this is here, also lingup-

the thing in industry cosmetic, yeah, pa. Hello, So, time, today we're getting to Dr. Sariqa Runeisa,

as I'm sorry, as far as far as far as. Sari, thank you. Thank you, it's my pleasure, this is my pleasure. This is coming from

you, and I'm going to ask about perjalan of your life. Like a bit more. You're from little, to beaicathing has to beaithuan

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even though even to be back back back because of pharmacy also just, yeah, because

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that I'm coming, Indonesia, to only be able to produce four to five-five-five-dokter, if not a while, a year. And, sector

or kodotteran is a lot of the thing I'm inunditial for Indonesia to the and kodteran can, can, you can, be able to the baguian

of, what, yeah, category stem. Yes. We, we're when when, when, when we're gendul,

in, the place, in the Kirtak, that, we're talking, we're, we're a little yeah,

production system than India, 2. 1st-2 million a year. Tyeongkok, 4,000,5,000 a year. Indonesia is only 250,000 stem. Asia, Tengara, only 750,000 a year. The person, people, too,

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Indonesia to the future to research and technology and development from the ccissies or the sub-pandang capacity we're reproductions product stem. Okay, maybe disclaimer,

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and I'm still, still like, ragu. To get used to use in terms of chemia, right? Yeah, that's when it's not to beaing the work. Can you can't be able to make sure that. You have a privilege, have two people who are just undergrina, like that. One, that's, I, man. So, alirate information that's not marat.

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that's, but then, yeah, can, don't, that's not, that can't work in Renni cosmetic, R&D food, which, can, so, I mean, I'm just,

well, SMA, swastah, this, I don't know, yeah, what other than, SMA, Negri, that,

not in Poulou, Jawa, that, that, you can, not, like, yeah,

not like, lap, yeah, right, and I'm not put in mind I'm mean, I'm not

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because we just like people, want penitian that's that's who's been little,

and it's still, like that, and it's all, There, but, but there's probably, but there's somepillar, like, like, industry, industry,

and industry, peddickan, which before class, then, S-1, industry swastakia, the body of the government, that, maybe, maybe, ...asher line and routine,

because, I mean, right, at the end, when I'm at the end, the person, kind, kind of, there's being realistic,

yeah, and if I, like, I'm doing, it's like, there's being... Mm-hmm. ...anding...

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if you're going to bea success. He's butchievous. He's butthum bursy. But he's puttoe hockey too. Yeah, can? You want so ambitious like what? I'm so imaginative but if you're even

hockey, not backal yeah, right? Yeah, right? That's okay, that's important. Yeah, that's allot, but ambition and imagination to, it's maybe be suntic

by the people, but in the out of the house tanga, by guru. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right? I don't know,

panangana you know? Yeah, because because, because, because, about imagination and ambitia. Taddy, we've got, we've got to bea because, it's just to beckyre

because, you know, and I'm not saying, I've been a discussion with Adam, Gina. If you're, yeah, so, people,

to, people, to be able to look, or medin' or medea, there are, there,

other can't other in the other than the mind of the imagination that, too, so, that's just that's upgampang.

now if you know, we're talking about talking about, because we're talking about, oh, scholarship, there's, and we're going to know from, scholarship,

but when they're, one of the one of the school to, can, last-jamb, yeah, and then, then, he's,

he's, so, that's inspire or more than their time in the scholarship not going to addit value so. So, we're trying to make

program WADA-inspiring teacher. Al-hmmla, there are 20,000-an guru, we also work with the commonsense because we're not, we've got to have been company. Because, we're,

because, guru, is kind, like employee also, training when it's refresh training like, there's new knowledge like to knowing again. So, so, guru, guru, it's not going to upgrade

but, but sarana or forum yeah, when they're just, it's, it's, they're, oh, public speaking, oh, in, uh, in New Zealand, what, to,

you know, to, when I wasa, when, when, when, it was, while, the, he, still, I don't too, I'm not too,

I'm, there's a lot of programming teacher, that, I'm very learn how many conductorsi confectsia yeah,

yeah, usually he's just boughed at PPP after curingat bow, bow so,

so, so, so, this, this, maybe, maybe, I'm gonna

be 10- get to getting to but can reseruean to about

time it, I think, feeling that, it, it, memory,

memory the memory that's about the time, I'm in the way, I'm in the way, I'm going to say, there's been a lot in the pediggan, yeah.

But, and, at least, it, to, it's, Rue, so,

yeah, this, this, it's, yeah, he has, he has been making

the story it's, it's, menarick, exciting. Yeah, yeah, enough to bea-law how much about how we're

able to beaughan storyteller. Yeah. Want he, ahaly, mathematica, a high-il-bubimmy, a-hally,

a-le-cdokteran, a-luclare, he has been to be sure. That, that, if I'm in-say, precondition for how how much

can beaughan capacity in a manoranus. And if you're in school can scalability can be partanguptuptupt because guru beratapen in front 20 to 200 people

but if in room people are people around 2 or 3 or 4 scale it is more than in school but if guru's not perquality Scala

Yeah, yeah, is because, yeah, you know, because, you know, because, you know, couldn't be able to Biasa, Biasa, yeah.

Because, I think, I'm going to, too, um, why I can't pick up market, I'd be able to be able to, I'm just, like,

although, boring, more. Yeah, like, yeah, but, but,

yeah, still, there, there, so, there's, rather, there,

that, geology, that's really, because because it's really, because if it's true, because it's not yet, it's not like, like, gomay system sarah-fussathe, they've been, this, this, like, you know, yumbow, macan, this, so, if it's true, kind of,

yeah, and, yeah, and I was, yeah, he's really like, ah, like, ah, public speaking, but, he said,

this is not a problem public speaking or what, but, if we're, want we're doing, or not, what, what's what's about, that's about, right? True.

So, we're just, we're just a storyteller that's good for our team, like, that, to boss, yeah, to client, that.

How much, yeah, so we can produce 1,000, product stem stouton? If I'm not to say, if I'm supposed to beckstasy, and it's,

actually can't work with I'm sure that's about I'm sure you're like that's oh, I'm able to contribute this in the way that's I'm asking people, but I'm T'amahouin' that's, if you're not ever heard,

not ever look, not ever bach, can't, not be able to, kind, if, oh, other than scholarship, I can be play role in here, to help the government,

because I, I think, And then-a-pac-a-pacentri-an, see. Everyone, everyone, yeah-can. We're all people-comptainting. So, I'm going to bela-beling to talk about this. Because I have got a key-entingan. To look at communities,

the world-loas, is more able to be cerdas. Yeah, right? And, the decedassan, if it's, if it's deba-bobot-khan, to stem to the next. for the country that population of 280

economy of the world. this relevancy is big, though. Yeah, because how much the way of the same? If you're guling gregersed even, it's not too,

I mean, maybe not pedd. Because I've been moubara with guru and I'm, oh, yeah,

he's just kind of not easy, it's, so, so, like, like,

from senior head, we'll be a group head, we're going to give up leadership, so he's going to start, we're we're doing, we're doing

how, benchmarking, and he's also being paid the student, so one step that I think willung

buduang so. So, we're we're using between buddaka. What? Bedany is,

what, pa? Peradaban, it can if there's about that's about can't people and

to be able to to be able to being combiniscation with the quatown innovation without the without the abuternation we can't

can't combinacation or orthodoxy with the kind of innovation that is that is not be longu,

it's just, the worldabundry yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right? So, yeah, yeah. So, we're also moodaer that kental with

an interbucka. Yeah. Sopally, the peradaban it, it's more kind to be the yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's subtle, it's subtle, yeah, the better than budaa and the other

budaa than now, yeah, yeah, not, We can't we can't talk about

buddaiacan buddhares yes they're them muddaiacan how much people to be able to

learn stem much more than India although population same 1.4, 1.5 million each

but India only can be production 2 to 2 2.5 juta stem because they them muddaiacan

that we're We're going to rankak in the Rantaiolitech, we're going to rank in datan geopolitic. This we're going to make upturnerick. And productivity is, too, because of the work grass and investations in STEM. Yes. Yeah. Because, you know, I mean, I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be.

I'm going to be. Yeah, what, see, bedgaining? Yeah, what's, but... with the producer and the carot cut out of the yeah, right yeah,

resettn't for gel foam yeah, like how much how far you so they really can be able to

Olympia the Athlete companion that if you're bachor reseta can sensor

this here, here, here, so just just as he, industry

industry sustain yeah, and, and, and, Lama, Mawaitu, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, maybe a lot of the same-a-law, but it's not going to growl or expansion so-gred a business that invest in, resett in, when it's got, you know,

in group you, the group you, the productivity-nessy should be level that's the level that's the bestina, or maybe percent from

the ideal. Okay. Look, Yeah, too, too, too, too, like in factory or logistic, that's kind of, we're panting with competitor, like that. Sure. Persenna, maybe I don't have

data, just that's, yeah, that's, that's, we're always, how's, always, always always, always be-minded, that, been partnered with, whatever, instead of, looking at them competitor, if I'm going to say,

we learn, yeah, what what can, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what I'm just, yeah, what I'm gonna do you talk about, yeah, right, precisely, can, pa, then, then, and, you know, because he's gonna be able to be around around Japan, like, they're, well, they're supposed to, okay, we're supposed to, okay, can't, be able to three states, they're like that, because this is new for us, they, can't, yeah, can't, but, but, you know, we're gonna do it, Kandu, we're going to do you, we're going to do with you.

So, but I'm saying, pay for example, because one again, one again, because because I told me, I'm talking about talking about people, too, man, guess, can't, so it's been a lot, yeah. We're also somecum, we're brainstormed if we're brainstorm, if there are people who many, there that's there's a doctor who's there's a doctor specialist, there's

director in here and the development in Paragon there's a person in the world in the last we're when we're going to get back then

we're just to get along that, man Like, head of engineer, from the United Asia. Then she's because he's okay. Afterer, engineer in India also, the engineer in New Zealand. Because the engineer in Bandung.

Two, there's also, there's a fabrication machine that's in Surabaya. Then, oh, the latter than in the Blanda, more than more than the more than the way more than that's a lot, but, but there's like, but there's like, but it's like to hear, if they're, you know-howing to be able to be able to access, but, but, but, but,

I'm going to go back to work ethic. Yeah. If what you're saying, or, say to, can't to cariwant your own, you know, aghapelah, 50, 20, 20, jams, a week for them to be able to work ethic

where they're making sure maybe is 70, 80 40,000. How much to make making sure ourian our own? This, this, I've got to get data from Hongkot,

ternetka, per-orang, a single. Yeah, I'm going to ask, you, just can't work for 20-jamb, or 50-jamb. Now, that's how to how to yackin'en it?

as well asuang, asuagued, or as far as far as far as what in the talking about, now that's messaging is important, to motivasy kareawain. With the way that can't be partang-jewaping. How that's it, there's one,

that's one of the other, I know that kakas I, Pah, Kassalman, what, yeah, nassat, him as I'm as yet. So, in-in-law, that people will perform in the world

if they're three one, he has more mastery he'll be more being pinter, making better, making better, making mastering

one. Two, they have made uptonomy so not who have mutusin, or notar head the head

that will ask seniorer, like that, the third, he's got the purpose now. Now,

if I'm looking, if they're if they're if they're there until one, there, there,

there, there, there, because, but I'm say, she's the purpose is I want to like the consumer, yeah,

right? If you want to like or want to be consumer solution, yeah, liftick not bolley, the wordan

gasser, or, lipstick not be mishah, don't, and then, he will be hard to

make sure, it, and he can, and he can, uh, I'm gonna longer minker,

that, she can't, yeah, he can't, decide, so, So, if I see, if I'm not yet, the young muddhurt, you're the part worker too,

but maybe even a massive China, yeah, maybe. I mean, if we're going to be a person A, like, B, that, yeah, not? If in Indonesia, maybe, if they're like that, like, that, the replicatia, but not many, that's,

Yeah, how much. This is the level, this is the last I'm trying, because you can, it's been a success story that's all right-biasa. Pansa-passar, 25%. Not gampang. Not gampang. Yeah, right.

And this has been 10-a-tall-a-tall-a-oh-a-oh-haw-a. Yeah, right. And, shaw-law, it'sa-old-old-old-old-old-old-old-old-old-old. Now, to to be 25% of it's not gampen. Now, we've got to see, there's a lot of theongok. Yes. There's a lot of times that's one of theongok

that's been able to make production, make sure, to give them to the world with scale that's large-biasa. Tyeongcok is a mitra-dagang-terbesar for more than 100 countries in the world. Allurehs in Asia, that's-mittagang-the-besterned to-gongk, ...

Yeah, right? Mitra-dagang Indonesia, who's the best-bearing because of their because of their not only but much, but moreh.

We buy buy the product of their own because it's because it's more and good. Cheap and good. Now, cheap and good

is because it's not because of their their. Now, if we want to make a country producer,

to getisar from the consumer to producean this is there have been in the box. How we can't make production

product stem? How much we work more less, more smart, maybe, yeah. Not hard

just, but more smart. Yeah, that's how that you? You can have been ribuant

karyawan. Yes. If, maybe sharing what I'm trying to paragon I've got like we've got to be like

I'm like I'm as I'mazaki they've been back in the world he said they're saying yeah, yeah, because the country that's making making industry yeah,

with Samsung's with the US with industry mobile Japan with Toyota's yeah so at that we need to see then we need more paragon they're like that

because because for industry cosmetic just to to man So that means, but to beaurepa, so, we're going to beautee brand, too, pa. So, okay, we're doing 40 years.

Teman, people need to beaure. So, so we're talking to, we're going to find offline. So we're like to do not have done. So we're trying to make ecosystem, sopireen, like, survive to barren, that's, we're going to, what, we're pegged, we're going to. We're going to be able to. Paragon can't one, two, we're trying to build the ecosystem

in university, in Brin, get to, because that did I, that's the same, why we've got never metering? Why, we've got to research barren. So, actually, I'm as simple as not top-of-mind in our arena team, so if we're, if we're in-of-mine, if we're idea, the top-of-mineer, can docent in university, then we go back, to Kiti, Kui, Kuh, Kuh, Kuh, Kuh, Kuh, that, so what we're in-it-it-it-it-it-to. So, so.

So, we're like to try to make up. Yeah, yeah, connect in, brain, university, industry. Industry, industry line, too, that's, yeah, the third, what are inspiring teacher? The fourth, we're also looking at work. Yeah, this, if I'm going to be able to get, yeah, man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, in the world we're nother, if STEM is, important to comeuas in, it,

you, yeah, perle, from the level of SMP, SMA, so we're like to, so we're like to make career, yeah. Yeah, but but but can't, but can't escalation, yeah, yeah, investations to guru. If you're going to be able to do you know try work in Paragon,

you, if you can't be able to clad culture, yeah, yeah, basically it's like if it's good, if you're doing engineer in the fabric. Yeah,

whatever, you're relevant, stem, can, yeah, not bearty social science is not important, yeah, this is, not to be un-stained, but we have the same

but we have to make productivity to make in the Rantai Nile and besaiing and yeah we're kind of over-killing this topic

but if I think it's not the kind of penitance this passionate this kind of it's more difficult we're

being in benak you role model the person is what is what in context, what, what, what,

yeah, what's not, if you're talking about R&D activity, company that I look up to, is Sisedo, you, Pat. Penitiana, too, very detailed, that's really detailed, you know, It's very

because I'm sure. because I'ma more detail not more than more than specialized. Sorry. So, yeah. So, so I'm sorry.

So, but talking about like, like, like, kind of technology, keeping up with the new generation, you know, look,

look, approach Loreal and LVMH that, I'm not sure I'm notic, how they're technology, adaptation,

how much communicatisical, brand-being-comunititism. So, so, yeah, so-Shadow is specialization very much. But if LBMG and LORAL, is that,

is they specialize or they're more able to give them can't get-the-the-cuitan to beckuited Jamban?

If I'm appraisation one, I just I was like, like, there's FISA tech, too, but I'ma yeah, so,

I'm learning with Lorette, that, oh, collaboration that is many, and not,

not, but, there's a collaboration that I'm not, oh, yeah, but we're sometimes,

I'm thinking, oh, if I'm supposed to university, that, they, they, cosmetic, there's like that's one of the other

like that's the other yeah, we're just like, co-creation with another that. And then, if I'maam-s, that's they're like luxury brand, but not all luxury brand were actually

menom-enam-kerned their luxurious brand to, the generation that, I mean, I'm not sure, I'm sure, but yeah, I'm not sure that, that two, that, And that's keeping up with

technology that's like, how far as far as far as far as product yeah distribution supply chain like that when that was in Vipatac wow, people do you know monging like drone or out of

air-angasa like that Yeah, oh, whome. Like, like that's like to getageland. Like in planet that's better. Yeah. Gomonging it like in the planet that's better, bened, ben, right, ben. That, wow.

But, but, but, but, if, LVMH, too, down, maybe 15, 15 years, they're expansionsing gila-gilaan, but with activities or action corporate that, can be able to be able to inorganic. Yeah, yeah. With acusisi.

Yeah. You're going to get to get more than? Moregated? There's a-organic? There's a-organic? Yes. We're the second generation. We're also like meriluk,

and benchmarking also. So, why we're very keen to learn to inorganic busa, inorganic ways of working and also to industry yeah?

Because, Rumah for 15, employee, or people are you thinking of four, too, that's the job. So, right? So, if I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm saying I'm going to say, I'm going to thinkingetting, 15,000 career, people, is, utang of you, lo? That's, right? That's right. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. not expand. and they're going to get-hmm. we're going to go to work. If we're going to, for our responsibility for people, we need,

we need, people need, people, work work, you know, fabric, what, what,

the other, or abat or what? So, 15,000 people, this, there's, careerer,

not only only, Ori cosmetic, how, maybe, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, like that, yeah, we're, yeah, we're, got, got to be in the same, like that, so, but, but, but, this, this, but how much, is, whether, or maybe, is, we're Maybe there's upay to to make upationalization. At this, we can

be in Indonesia, Malaysia, yeah, Brunei not too be held by the can'tor Malaysia also. So, for regional expansion, being pragmatist, South East Asia, it's, can acclims as a-roupinging so we're, for sure.

So, we're, not-wis-plit-test, that's not-pue-lang-lang, two, what yeah, what I'm like, what type of, because we're about it's about it, we're doing, we're just, there's different, too, but, can relative, not, better, better, very. And, we've got, we've done. We've got signed a lot, to Asian Harmo, right?

So, regional, of our ambition that's the most-de-de-get, talking about global to be able to bea I'm saying, I'm using, Indonesia can't, so, if you're going to, to, be able to embus,

Europe, U.S. That's, that's good signal, yeah, can, Japan, good signal, good message, if, Paragon, can, I can, then, then, then,

then, then, then, and then, again, Oh, there product, we can't do, I'm going to be in engineer's going to be quality control yeah, like that, right now, payen to be it, making arrendyne, yeah, making marketing that can make an iklan that's been nickmating, yeah, people in London. My personal ambition, like, like, like that, that, yeah. Yeah, with principle, care, attention, la.

Yeah, absolutely. Don't tell you gaga, but. But I've got to Kuala Lumpur, in mall that TRX, that booths nearerda, gila. Like I'm looking at booths'n't Tiffany. Asly. This, this, not, not to beawn, that, that's, I think, wow, this, likena, what, what, this,

LVMH, Tiffany, or L'Oreal or what, that, that's. Crenn-m-get. Gaigain, to, yeah, can be able to be able to bea-bue-buck-buck-a-buck. But, if I'm a... Allah, this is more brand wardah, that's gothurted really. It's from there, I'd be extrapolation just. Yeah, can't be it topang with investations, human capital, and R&D, that's great.

Bucan, not something that's not possible, for do. Yeah. To do you know, internationalization. Because in halstap, So, because of 2020, when we're at the last in this gas also, we're at the development, kind of like launching now or not,

or not, or not know, or not go, okay, too, right? We'll, let's submit our own little bit of the international forum, that. So, that al-hm-dil-a, can, first, poster,

ah, yeah, al-a-a-lap-poster, ma. It's, man, man, podium, don't, tem, tem, tem, wow, was really, that, that, we can't make sure,

we can't make it too, maybe, you know, even if you're even, bader, like, like,

I'm gonna be here like, like, people, two, Paragon, that, and three, GIPO,

that. That's where it, FSC, it's, kind of, Ganty Ganty Nogar. The last,

Barcelona. Yeah, Pembicara'aacres, there's sysi's there, there, there's sysi yeah, there's yeah, there's Cases, there, yeah, in India, Panty Barat. Panty Barat, right, there's Asia, there the M-Versy Asia-Nap, that we can, you know, got top ten, podi-oral presentation, podium presentation, There's a majoraacist, cosmetic and toiletries. Every time, he's umuming the Pomenangue Miseries.

But if he's more to concept product. So I'm going to try to give, manang, we're, pa, we're 10 award. Top. When I was in the same, what's the word? But I mean, I said, I'm going to say, but I'm going to say, confidence yeah.

team, if you know, your time your time experiment to, always be excellence, and but we're, I mean,

but we're, but we're not menang-man-man-man-an, but we're also need excel, well, yeah, if, if,

if, if, if, if we're not we're not get-get-a-poh-a-a-tom-a-a-d-laping, yeah, and, we're,

we're, we're-de-send-ean-experiment we're how much how we've gothapotica, how we've got to putticking hypotesa, what what's the thing that's doing research and development

in Paragon? If day-to-day-day-to-day-day- Yeah, sorry, team-neurred? From 15,000, there's a day-to-de-day-melackel. The day-to-de, so we're doing research and development,

there's also, there's just research, but a bit-bid-bid-a-bid-a-old. like there's like consumer research, design, so you're notatat. Now, total, almost 200, there's, big,

good, yeah, because I'm going to say, so I think, kind of, yeah, we need to puttue local company who want invest

in reset, yeah, that's not. Yeah, can. Indonesia, to investasas in research and development,

to no comma, percent of PDB. If you like Singapore, Japan, Tjongok, too, that's the U-Qaeda, that's because of P. That's gila, too. And it's, you know, the kroyokin, yeah, yeah, and non-pemirita. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're the swastain just, yeah, right. If I can't ask, investation you know, into research, product innovation, that's how much.

3%? Masha-oh-a-oh-goddeged. Yeah, great. Yeah, I look. I see that I'm like Unilever Roryl also so yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

That's, ma'am. It's very good. It's, it, that's under-angka-ang-ang-a-ang-old. Yes. Now, but, okay. SKU-Nsha, you know, much, pa,

if, if, like, lipstick, can't be 20-year, so, so, so, 2,000-thous-an. Okay. And, and if,

and if, with Shadows, they're what's what? If you're about as well, if you're more than, SKU is more. Brand just, they're more than a lot more.

Pouliven. Yeah, if we're doing total, yeah. So, like, we're in 14. Okay. The Shedo, Loreal,

that kind of 20-an more, yeah, in a brand. Setabrein, yeah. Okay, so,

search that's up to umsat, that'sa-half, that's quite, yeah, yeah, maybe that's natural, yeah, for some-tara, yeah.

Yes, inshall-law, like that, but talking about scale-up talking about lullusan step. Tard, that, can, lusan-stam, it, can be absorbed,

so, so, so, yeah, maybe, like, invests, not even if you're absorbed

now, now people, people, they're maybe S3 polymer in the U.S. B.N.P. and we'll back

to Malaysia, we can't get up. Because that, that's, it's the industry hulu who paid.

We don't have got to be able to people? N. N. N. Well, I mean,

back again. If I, if, I'm back, it's, I'm did it's in China, in Japan, and in Korea,

not only industry here. not just the Zedosan-a-a-a-pacific algae-y-ne-dha-gdil-lits. From the sliccona, there's also there, there that's a lot-o-a-law-ma-ment-fif, bough-a-mucca-d-d-tis-tut. Yeah, so, there, so there's-a-old-limber,

because he knows he want back to-many-a-old-a-oh. Okay, so solution-y-many-supy. So, yeah, industry this is more able to, be able to be expansy, with the people of the way from the way, the way of the way, for the importance of research, and the innovation.

One, if I'm like that, so, for the company that's there's incentive pageant and other, but I'm trying. But I'm the process that's too rumied, the experience,

so that's the time, the first, the process is too the same, the two, not sure, all the company, I see, access information

rumied, yeah, because, can't be in light I'm saying, paragon, has privileged, if you're,

founder's ferex, yeah, so, there's incentive, not, no, because, because,

because, because, because, we want sustain Paragon 400-tackan 400-tall, we have to

invest in R&D, that, if, whether, not, the, it's not, the idea,

not, if, if, if, if, if, But not everyone's like that's like that's like that's like that's like because of the same thing like that's important.

Yeah. More simple process pengurusance that's in the incentive industry. And two, to, in myruths, I mean, I'm not. So in China, I've been like in Paris, like, like, industrial park, that's. And the other than the third, how much the industry hulu is, it's, that's,

if industry hillyer-in-lawful-shaelor-lawful-oh-lawful. This, I think, up, again, again, disclaimer cosmetic, yeah, I mean, it's just enough. But if we can have purloor-o-lomer, the company packaging, advanced,

the company UV-filter, production in the Indonesia, ecosystem is kind this is part this is a lot of people who's playing if you're

who's in the world you know because China actually can't because China that was not put in making

bhaan, making the bagu and but can because maybe when that when that was it put in

maybe you because of after the B.S. B.S. Bucat Situ Bucat there can

Yeah, so. Yeah, right, right? Right, right. And they're now, they're still Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

okay, so yeah recommendations are, for, to do you for the hudu-na in

Indonesia, like, yeah, because I'm saying, yeah, I'm gonna bough-and-mapsed-te-a-

-l-l-l-l-l-lust-in-lis-a-l-l-l-l-lust- I'm not sureang, consumer in Indonesia, because of the same is in Singapore. Dapet, the money from Indonesia. Transport technology is not in the place they've got. Consumanns in here, too, yeah.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, but you're going to be. But, yeah, this, yeah, this is, I'm a bit more than, I'm bosan, can, I was like, I'm going to say, investasasas

to get to Singapore because of the sameapult. yeah, right? And capacity of the Singapore to be translation from the notpastion to be risk which can beupur,

be predixie and in-nilay. But, to be many of the negas-nagra-regers-beam that, the capatian-hook-ne-ne-uping the time is about it's about it. In the country that's also. And in the country be comeang,

the country be able to beaubang in the world, it's the $13,000 or $1 per time. That's 84% of total population of the world. And in the United. We're PDAB or the pedant of per-orang that's just $5,000, in below $13,000. So if, if in the country beckmang,

it's the many of them doesn't translate the notepastien so that's a risk yeah, like I'm saying that's nothound, unknown, unknown. If you're risko is known unknown. Yeah, the inting is

how we can assign probability to something that Maybe we can't even pasty. But we can't be able tocure with probability. Yeah, yeah. Not-papah. Not-pasty.

But we can translate it to be a risk-known-un-un. Smokin'n, we can't be able to doggard like that, the more than legack-hook. Modal will come. So, we're going to be consumer, but we can

be able to be a producer. To make-productive-sue, you must have ful-flus, but but but it's but it's not even topang with productivitist this. This is back

again to the spam yeah so much we investasy in the stamp we can't be translation

from the notpastien to be risk yes yeah yeah yeah great can

if there there are there people there are people if BAP if BAPE $50

$1.00 D. It's in to buildpability, that the the time of the last week, to be a lot of 1st2% and then.

If that's a, the impact to the onset down to turn 12% dampac to bottom line down 18%. Chalon investor can't.

Yeah. I think it's Cohn. Tetap, he invest in this, 50,000. How much? I'm not, you know. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to say something, but it's okay, but I'm going to say, I've been also superiors we're, yeah. Yeah, he's also, he's asked again, because not in Indonesia, why not in other than other than, that's the other, like, but... But, yeah, yeah, because, because I see, if I also like to talk about, because I, can't say, if you're going to...

Because, now, man, because, now, man, like, if you're going to, back to cosmetic industry, yeah. growth ishoutous-asia region, especially global. Population is here, right? It's very driven by social media, social media user also in Indonesia is one of the that's the growth-in-lawed-you-you-should-you-hmm,

I'm not sure, so, yeah, what I'm not sure. Yeah, what's the concern is, you know, for them, yeah, infrastructurests, you can, what what name is that's what I'm saying? I mean, industry cosmetic in Indonesia,

you know, I'm going to be abound in here, local, there's, there's, so yeah, so, yeah,

so, because he'll beaugh because he'll go to lay to where, like, yeah, like,

yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe in the country like, yeah, if I think, Maybe more simple, like I've been simple, more simple, more just like that.

Right. And, and, you know, the world of Asia-Tengarra, is 700,000 humansian. PDB or economy's, $4 trillion. That's just number six in the world. after America, Tioncok, Uni Europa, German, Japan, that's number 6.

To go to Japan, the world. Africa, there's 1,000 million million population. There are one big enough, there's the besta, there's the same thing, but it's notpastiener than the more than

in Asia If you If you know If you Yeah, Yeah. If you have been able

established really like there So, if people are if you know, where the

partubbability can Now, Indonesia, the partumbuance per year,

plus minus now. To make in 8% that, it's actually not not

muck not-hmm. a delta-per-3% from $1.5 trillion $45 million. So, if you're notamment model asing, who's just $30,000,000

million dollars, that's beena-fing with $45 million. $75 to $85,000,000 $85,000,000, $8,000. It's up, $8%. And that's also

FDI-N-A-na-na-na-it-c. is still in the Singapore is in every year's every time to get 100 to 140 million dollars from total 200 to 300 to 30 million dollars that's every time to come to Asia Tengar

we just get 30 to 40-40-an Thailand Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam 10 to 20 million dollars yeah, no, the people build upasitas in Singapore the money to puttrak

because of the same. Because of the pastien and they're translasis, from the notepasian, the risk that can be declares, the quantification, and the nilay, in price. Yeah, same.

At that, I mean, Singapore, to, when, if you're going to when you're going to, I think, they've been krengaran of money, that's a lot of, and durations are long.

So, yeah, so, you know, I'd be there, I, yeah, I'm going to, the, I'm going to, the, That's like that.

Okay, fair enough, I've said like that. But, but yeah, they can't give us a lot of and stuff like that, because they're capacity fiscal-neigh. Capacitance monetarine also more than

madden. We're, we're the ratio pedatatap per capita economy's just 10-per-send. It's still

sub-optimal, like, if in Europe, to, 33%. So, not too much as a ratio as a good-uponomy or PDB, is difficult to get to get an incentive.

Yeah, right? Yeah, can't? Yeah, but, but, but, you know, you know, the pangsar as far as far as far as far as far as far as can expandy, yeah, in Indonesia? Lagi, like, talking.

To be able to be, there's, there can be a puttumban economy. If I'm not quite cosmetic, like I'm not quite clear. What's the same? Jumla population Mooda'anasi muddain, not so pyramiding, not like Japan.

Let's say the number of population generation buddainer, one. Two, as far as data. I talk to be able to, like, again, cosmetic is I, I'm not know if consumption of the other. Consumcy cosmetic,

it's more longer longer, they're spending more Big three. Morely more than more than Yes. Because now, if I'm up to 10th, or if I'm still, S&P, or Mesaed, there, there's a cariawisata.

And if we had, wea'uble, wea-jail-zstan, pa, now. That's all right. It's not so much meleck. So, so, it's been, like, the same thing, the habit, maybe the way

maybe the time I'm the time I'm when I'm going to be able to beaulia or many that's the same. So, population has been able to make sure that. And consumption is more the same.

Because, because, the most of the time? Yeah, yeah, so, if, if, I'm going to mokin

cosmetic to-mary, come-mary, abys there, to profanah back the pastime, they're bachanda. Cosmetic in, too,

dipake from the way we're living mawar, they're back. Oh, yeah, so yeah. But, but,

going to facial wash or sunscreen, it, kind, people, maybe, like,

SMP, SMA, now, now, like, five or six S.D. ,

then I remember, I was in fact, when I'm in 2014, 2012, and then, Nelsen, it,

I'm in Asia, rata a loterob one, one facial water. Now it's already more like, there's sunscreen, there toner,

there miscellar water, and then, other, so for cosmetic industry that's there leapsed from the economy, yeah,

data's, it's quite solid, building block there, building block is there, so so,

so, so, if we imagine, we have, we have, the abisiguerate what, building block

It's about, this, this is the last, this pen per person, to the costmetic, to, naugn how much? How long, how much better? If you were, five years ago, per-orang, now, it's not a bit. I'm going to, because I think, that's data 2015, one facial was small, one small, if that's like 25, so I remember,

when I present to Superbaran Baku, we're saying, you know, that's about two US dollar, that's, if that, if, right, yeah, yeah. Sorry, from two US dollars. Yeah, it's, yeah, $25,000, kind of. Now, it's, because I've been, so, right, right,

so, people, too, five, if not a lot, Soxel wasle, sunscreen, shirom, if I'm not wrong So it's been, it's up to be five times, but in 2015, but I'm 10 years. I don't know, yeah.

Oh, not, not. 100-a-a-a-a-a-a-u-a-u-a-u-u-a-u-u-u-a-lost. Lumpu-a-a-lap. And that, if we look, it's about 10 product, but we're not saying, back. Building block, it's just

because, if, cosmetic, Pat. Upside is there, yeah. But, but not, the more

on the more, mucuter, mucutely, and if it's more too, too, yeah, and,

and the up of the life, can, long. And it's it's about it's about yeah, but it's about but it's true.

But, but I'm notaric, you know, like sunscreen that's, yeah, can, if you're,

if you're, not making consummacy, Kav, not can't grow, don't, but,

but, but, but, but, I think, I, see, I'm,

activity, I'm more many, can, There's like, there's like, there's like, there's like, there's not because of the same thing, they're not too much, can't be able to beckar, merah, peri, or if they're already if it's, if they're only if it's, water, run, weekend, must be like, hang out, that's, good, good, good, yeah.

Yeah, people can't want to look good, you know. Okay. optimistic, yeah. Yeah, right, right? For we're good, I mean, like, what I'm like, whatever, yeah, same way of,

maybe, I'm not, I'm not sure, but, I'm in front of, people who's good, career more than more than big. Because I, I've been bach, there's a person, there's people, good, duracy,

there, par, duracy ponies, cuckum, more, more, more, better. Yeah, it's, yeah,

yeah, yeah, this is, It's a bettera. So, adieu. So, yeah, mostha, looks good is not only feel good.

You will have a better life. Making situation more yeah. And, and canyamanan, to, can beaughan to beaughan.

Yeah, but, but, kind, if I, see, one one of unnerner,

yeah, if bunner, you can, yeah, well, when, when, when,

I'm like, but makeup up, but makeup, but for mehurt, makeup that, too, we're appreciates of a person. Yeah, can. We've got made sense of pendic or oblong, we're not having to spend time, right, from the country. That's it, is. Yeah, that's a goody.

Yeah. But, also, it's be buddayakable, how to work more smart, How much, how much, how much more? How much more than how much more than our time? We have to make sure how much how to be productive.

How much more than more than business? How much, yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's, if, if, I mean, that, that's, because, I mean, that's the, because I'm going to beaughan important role, I'm in a lot of us. Because of them,

because of my doodododont, yeah. Dool-a-d-old-old, that's just a book. There's a book that, if we're at a S-D, book-tulis, book, Tulles, Harvard. Pek-E-M-A-N. So, like, just like, Mimpe, oh, he, facultas-k-Kareen, yeah,

right. Now, oh, oh, people-I-Lan-N-N-N-A-Buscagul-A-Kal-A-Gas-Gar, like, Pa-Gita. That, that, build, build, build, build, build, that's why. I believe confidence, build. That's the, I'm more, more success story.

I mean, that's why, in my own game, it's not, man, but, really, this is, perils, yeah. But, it's, like, oh, oh, there's like, oh, there's, yeah, AstraZeneca. So, it's, it's like, it's like a majorabouement of the time, Right, that's my heart of my life, right? Yeah, right. Because, I know, bossy, too, oh, there's a Nobel Prize, you know, oh, there, yeah.

Yeah, right, that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And, this, this, this, this, upaya, for what, yeah, which I've been democratization Idé. Yes, don't even even about as a democritization information. Yeah. Yeah,

the kids now, we're talking about Paschak, benarant or post, but they're also disojiing information that bejubble,

yeah. But they're, like, idea, it's, only ter polarisashi, the kiri or in canan.

But not kind of. So it's democratization ish not be correctisation ide. Idon,

you know that has to distribusically and without distribution or democratization idea, yeah,

model not can be democratization. And, it's, and can, see that empirish,

kesenjangan minkat. Apaka it is, of the way-quehapot, and the money, the world-cote-cote-bosar that's-cath-culte

than-cote-counter or cot-cote-cichil. There, perkechualian, but, in-cua-cota-bossar. Even, talent-tall, it's cataric, to put-tark, to-da-ra. Now, it's a little bit. Yeah, I've been a few-a-lomonged

that's a lot-sah-a-old. in Tjok in Tijuana-trakic, but in China-descentralistic. Indonesia, as a democracy, as far political, decentralized, but economy is more centralistic.

This, you know, I can't. Yeah, I, you know, I also have been important, and the decontalization, the more than consumerismetize, mendingat in the area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because in the area, they're in the area, they're about how much more be able to learn stem, how to be able to make up productivity, how much to make up, if you're making up, the market money to make. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, buy for product cosmetic, also will be more mingle. That's what happened in Tiongol, in 40 years. So,inga, so, they're making, PEDB per-orangue,

10xasia tegare is 2.7 in 30 years but the Hongkongok from 40 years ago after after investation in the STEM we can't be able to this name

yeah yeah yeah because you're doing research right yes what else

yeah with what's about in the same as well as if they're like that's about in fact that's if we're kind of like to China can't, sometimes get to come, there's a person Ban Baku or packaging and the other than they're like, they're kind of, okay, this is this, like we're thinking, oh, yeah, pantasan too, yeah, Batik, we're there, d'amara, where, in-mah, where, maybe if in Brack 1,000, like in China, it's, the caragheragheragheragher, or what, then, then,

then you know, redistribusin it, like that, you know, like that. They're more productive than we're,

more than we're because connectivity the world-biasa and they musthikin' there's yeah,

I, if I'm sure investation in infrastructure, I'm more investation in data the data

too, day energy. If, energy, he can't be able to a to be it, than to build on the lander, but there's no, they can't be able to

even if there's a while there's to get a to the end up to to make up to we must make make make sure the energy in

I'm I'm saying electrification in Indonesia is too, in 1,300 kilowatt hour per per-oh-

we're at $6,000 Now, brand in What's the company? He's got, there's, man like, but I'm trying to bring up. But he has a strong

local company Alhamdulah, but there's... But not as it's too kind of like C-Shadow, that's. Mugin, my hypothesis,

China, can be a bit more, I'm got, It's still. Two, China, too, China, too, not want to take product China, if they're foreign-minded, yeah? Yeah, so, because, you know, Amora Pacific, Suedo, Scylodar, has been the place of the same place. In China. Because they

want to make product out. So, I forgot, yeah, they're probably using local. Maybe, like, in Indonesia Yeah, yeah, because of Asia, I'm like I'm going to say. But this has to be anticipation, though. Produce-a-customic. Oh, can, but... Yeah, a couple of years ago,

if we were in Europe, all, right? Yeah. Yeah. Man, there, China, right. Yeah. Prius, Japan,

that's. Now, if you're in there, B.W.D. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, so, I'm not.

Yeah, so, come-arned-a-a-cara-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. And then, when you know, Alvart, because I'm like... Oh, DeRisa. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. This, this can't be a lot of it, I mean, like, mobile China, that's. I mean, we've got, you know, not put a bagelangeloor, like, when I was D.

This is all right, this, my, this is. this is all right? So that. So, Indonesia, I need to make up the number of the same from $250,000 to $1,000,000

minimum. For the importance of the community cosmetic, the importance industrialization in generalization if you're not,

yeah, risk we're making consumer just not small. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That's also, If you, whenarer's about ambisible, to be able to be a manned in the country. Amen. But, yeah, that's today. We've got pengine, I don't want to beaumper cosmetic

the bester, can't. Because of the industry also, tumbled, the ecosystemer, I mean, but correct me, but I'm just about, but I'm sure, now, we've got,

we have industry mobile to have you have people, but there's a lot more than you can. But like, there's not, yeah, can't be able to setir, so, and then, if you're going to be able to industry in the world, they'd, he'd, there's always there, and there's transfer technology. So, if, if, if, not, can.

It's a-sang, yeah. It's very. Saar, we've got to bea-half-jamb-jamb-am, near. There's There's the other There's the important Inan the other than the other

Inouca. Pesan, Pesan a year, yeah. If I'm, first, we're going to open on what happened in out of there

so, um, so, yeah, Maybe type of my opinion I thought, but I'm okay, but I'm okay. We're not, we're trying to, sometimes we're going to, miscellar to, like, unless like, okay, like, that. Then, my opinion, now, my own time now,

someone has been able to, we're even peruas, like, let's say, yeah, we're not, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, kittah, like, what do you? KATHLEEN, like, if I'm doing, so, if I'm like, I'm going to, you know, the Oxford, Bollarsitia, yeah, I'm going to say, not even, schoolia he's, what, what,

what, see, the, the, of, what, is, like, yeah, like, yeah, kind of, as a guy who's undergone, who's what you get privileged a little bit more because of them about beliolid you can

if you're in PTAN SPPKMU is subsidized by the paycheck of people and you have to make something because that's up to up to you're if you're not be able,

for this, yeah, don't have to be able a subpoena in the subsidy, don't. Right. Totally. Wow.

Yeah. Okay. Maybe that, for people who have been people who have privalate now, like LPD,

yeah, or like, at, other, at the PTA, and, like, we need,

leverage, how, and, and have, bigger purpose to okay. I can, I can't,

yeah, right? Yeah, not that you have to be able to what, see, what's the what?

Autonomic. Autonomic. Undoum. Undo-mudah Moodah. Moodah. Mawnda. Stay on with the purpose.

Yes. Thank you, yeah. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you,

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